12 Persistent Myths about Mormonism
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As Americans cast their ballots and the clock ticks toward midnight in Mitt Romney’s presidential quest, this much is clear: Americans do not know much about the candidate’s faith when this “Mormon moment” began. Now, thousands of headlines, dozens of television newscasts, and one Tony-winning Broadway musical later, Americans still do not know much about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) and their beliefs. Here are 12 persistent myths about Mormonism:
1. Mormons practice polygamy
The LDS Church officially gave up polygamy in 1890, when then-President Wilford Woodruff issued a “Manifesto” advising all members not to enter into “any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.” Not all Latter-day Saints complied, so then-President Joseph F. Smith issued a “Second Manifesto” in 1904. Since then, the Church excommunicates any member practicing or openly advocating polygamy. Groups that continue plural marriage, such as the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do so outside the 14 million-member Utah-based faith.
2. Mormons are not Christians
LDS theology differs from historic Christians in key teachings, including the nature of God and his relationship to Jesus Christ, revelation and scripture. Traditional Christians believe in the Trinity, that God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are one substance. Mormons believe God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are separate beings.
3. Mormons are not supposed to drink caffeinated beverages
In 1833, Mormon founder Joseph Smith issued the LDS Church’s health code. It condemns alcohol, tobacco, and “hot drinks,” which church leaders have subsequently described only as “coffee and tea.” Caffeinated cold drinks and herbal hot drinks are okay for consumption.
4. Mormons do not dance
Dancing is fine. Brigham Young University dance troupes have won international acclaim.
5. All Mormons live in Utah
Mormons (62 percent) indeed densely populate the Beehive State, as are some neighboring states. Still, Latter-day Saints spread across the United States in small pockets of believers and congregations. More Mormons live outside the United States (8.2 million) than in it (6.2 million).
6. Women cannot be leaders or speak in the LDS Church
While it is true that the church’s lay priesthood is restricted to males 12 and older, Mormon women lead the women’s, young women’s, and children’s organizations, teach scripture study and other classes, pray in services, and preach to the congregation from the pulpit.
7. All Mormons are Republicans
A 2011 report prepared on a study by researchers from Trinity College in Connecticut found that nearly 60 percent of Mormons nationwide identify themselves as Republicans as compared to 14 percent who say they are Democrats. Mitt Romney the first Mormon from a major political party nominated for president is a Republican. On the other hand, the highest-ranking elected Latter-day Saint is a Nevada Democrat, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. As an institution, the LDS Church trumpets a strict policy of neutrality in partisan politics.
8. A Mormon U.S. president would be a puppet of the LDS prophet
Mormon scripture addresses this issue directly. Doctrine and Covenants (D&C) Section 134, adopted by the church in 1835, says Mormons “do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government.”
9. Mormons baptize corpses
The LDS Church does not use dead bodies, but it does have living volunteers do vicarious baptisms for their deceased ancestors. This ritual, known as “baptism for the dead,” is performed in much the same way as it is for the living, except proxy ordinances are done only in Mormon temples. A white-clothed candidate, standing in a font of water about waist-high, represents the dead person. The adult male baptizer (also wearing white) immerses the candidate after he says these words: “Having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you for and in behalf of (name of the deceased) in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.” A proxy baptism does not mean that person is automatically a Mormon in heaven. Latter-day Saints believe those who have passed on can choose to accept or reject the rite done in their names.
10. Mormons cannot use birth control
LDS families have more children than the average American, but it is not because the church forbids birth control. The church teaches that having children is “the privilege of married couples” but the decision on how many to have or how to space them, according to the faith’s Handbook for its leaders, “is extremely intimate and private and should be left between the couple and the Lord.”
11. Mormons get naked in the temple
LDS temple rituals are not open to the public, which is why there is much fantasy and exaggeration about what happens inside. Members dressed mostly in white participate in a ritual re-enactment of the creation, the expulsion of Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden, mortal experiences of the world, and the return to God’s presence.
12. Mormons do not believe in the Bible
The Bible, particularly the King James Version, is part of Mormon canonized scripture. It is one of four such books, including the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price, that comprise the Standard Works of the Church. The church’s members use the Bible in classroom discussions, quote from it in sermons, and consider it as essential to missionary outreach. An LDS tenet holds that Latter-day Saints “believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly.”
Sources: Encyclopedia of Mormonism, LDSnewsroom.org, and LDS Church Handbook
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this site is so screwed up!!!!
Mormons AREN’T Christians. They’re a satanic cult. They teach that God was a man who became God. They teach that mormons will become gods of their own universe. It’s the original lie of Satan in the Garden of Eden.
Mormons pretend to be Christians but they aren’t. Their strategy is to lie just like the god they serve, Satan.
And yes, they do baptize the dead. They go back as many generations as they can.
The Book of Mormon is a joke. It came out around 1830 in some fake King James style even though it supposedly was written in the language of the day. It’s the work of a semi-literate man that’s had over 3,900 changes to it since it was first published. A good chunk of it was stolen from the Old Testament book of Isaiah. It even includes King James translation errors. Check this out:
http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/3913intro.htm
One thing that many might not know about the Mormon church: They didn’t allow black people to become Mormon until the government stepped in and forced them to allow black people to join in the 70′s.
According to the Mormons, all black people descended from Cain and black skin is a curse from God, because of the murder of Abel.
Also, there are still Mormon Churches that practice polygamy…ever seen the show, Sister Wives?
Mormons also believe that Jesus visited North America, even though there’s no proof of this.
Mormons also believe their prophet read magical stones that only he could see. When his translation were destroyed to test whether or not he could recite them again word for word, he couldn’t.
Well, the anti-Mormon bigots are out in force. You people do not believe in freedom of religion. You self-decide who are Christians and who are not. How Christian of you! I am surprised you can call yourself Americans. You would do well in Russia or China or some other anti-religion country. Your words self-defeat yourselves. Keep ‘em coming. By your fruits, we shall know you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Mormon_War#The_.22Mormon_War_in_Illinois.22_and_the_Mormon_Exodus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Mormon_War
the ONLY religion that american soldiers fought and killed on american soil…..
it is called a cult for a reason
Making a difference between hot and cold caffeinated drinks is pure sophistry.
The Mormon church does indeed baptise dead people, it posthumously baptised jewish holocaust victims. which is one of the most disrespectful acts imaginable. They died because they were Jewish and stuck to their belief. Typical religious narcissism to destroy the rights of others for their own selfish needs.
Mormons like every other religion based on the c3’000 year old Semite deity are male dominated belief systems that deny women the right to control their own reproductive abilities. Women are property, the tilth of men.
All in all, Mormonism is just as much vile manipulative BS as all the others.
Anonymous wrote:
“The Bible was put together over 300 years after Jesus, and we don’t really know who wrote those books”
Not so. The old Testament ‘canon’ was completed and closed long before the Messiah walked the Earth in Israel. And while the first council of Nicea (under the auspices of Constantine) voted on the ‘canon’ for the New Testament in 325 AD (a well as the doctrine of the ‘trinity’), the New Testament books themselves were written long before this council was convened. The books were written by their namesakes – such is the information which was handed down directly with the books themselves, as easily verifiable by researching all of the writings of the men who would later become known as the ‘early Church fathers.’
“TWO DIFFERENT JESUSES IN THE BIBLE”
This is nothing but false. When looked at in the Greek language, and when the fact that the Hebrew word ‘Elohim’ is translated into Greek as ‘Theos’ is taken into account, we can see that there is no discrepancy at all between the Gospel accounts of the Messiah.
There is NO TRINITY in the Scriptures, as originally written. ALL references to the ‘trinity’ are late and spurious additions to the texts. If we remove the word ‘God’ from our language and come to understand the eight or nine Hebrew words which are all translated as ‘God’, then we can come to a firmer understanding of the intended message of the Scriptures. Messiah IS Elohim. The Father IS Eloah. Eloah is also Elohim. Messiah IS NOT The Father.
The Scriptures do not deny Messiah’s deity, but the Scriptures do deny the doctrine of the ‘trinity.’ Messiah is the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth, but He is not The Father. The Father Created The Son.
Morons!
Anne Romney is a pretty lady though. I wish her all freedom.
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Wow. A really clever thing has happened in this particular discussion — mix up the comments so that people become confused as to who said what when.
Hehehe . . . maybe BIN is a Mormon front after all.
Now I get it 
yes2truth wrote:
“Kabbalism is totally demonic, so I am as likely to go there for any reliable info as I am likely to cut a hand off.”
Kabbalah is totally demonic. This we agree on, as well as many of the main points, for which reason I wonder why you feel the need to strike such a vitriolic tone. Are you a disciple of Messiah? or are you not. Because I differ with you on specifics does not give you cause to view me as an adversary. I am a follower of the Way, the Truth and the Life.
I do not suggest to you that you should study Kabbalah; merely that you would be prudent to discover the Kabbalistic roots of the term ‘Godhead’ if you wish to employ the term in the furtherance of your understanding of the Scriptures.
“Your understanding is poor to say the least. Only physical beings can be begotten for they are progeny or children born into this age. Spirit beings cannot be begotten, only created.”
Hebrews 1:6
And again, when He bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world
Messiah did not become the firstbegotten when He was in the world; rather He was brought into the world AS the firstbegotten. The Entity which manifested as Messiah on Earth is a spiritual Entity. This spiritual Entity is clearly said to have been begotten. Therefore, spiritual entities can be said to be begotten. Who are the Benei HaElohim from the book of Genesis? They are spiritual entities called “Sons of God.” Sons can rightly be said to be both created and begotten.
“You must quote from the OT because from there you will learn your lessons of which your are in great need. And then some swift repentance I hope, but I won’t be holding my breath. LOL”
If you give me a legitimate reason why I should limit my quotes to the Old Testament, I will do so. What you have here said amounts to: ‘because I told you so.’ And if you would be so kind as to point to a specific instance of something I have said which would require repentance, I would be most obliged. Is it not possible to have a civil discussion with you about these very important matters without you becoming aggressive and defensive? If I am incorrect in my assertions, all you need do is to show me the specific verses from the Scriptures which serve as direct evidence for your views. If you are right and I am wrong, then you should be patient and wield the Scriptures as the Sword of Elohim to teach; not to attack or accuse.
Reading these posts below, I can see why Obama won. Hope you detractors have a good life.
Many early Christians DID NOT believe that Jesus was same and equal to God. The Bible in parts, especially Mark and Matthew, denies that Jesus was same as and equal to God. Also, Jesus referred to God as the “Father” and “Son of God/Man” was simply a title to refer to someone who was close to God. He did indeed call us sons and daughters of God, and that we will do greater work than he. The Bible was put together over 300 years after Jesus, and we don’t really know who wrote those books, and they were edited and put together by a council of biased members. So you have books of Mark and Matthew that does not accept Jesus as being equal to God, while you have book of John that does. TWO DIFFERENT JESUSES IN THE BIBLE!!! Technically, Mormons are Christians (kind of) but they do have beliefs that did not originate with Jesus….however we can say the same for Christianity as whole, because most chruches follow the beliefs set forth by the “church fathers” not by Jesus himself.
the old crazy Bible banger told you,religious nuts!
“The Father Created The Son.”
Only for the purpose of being a physical being. He was God with God is the beginning before He became flesh – The Lamb slain BEFORE the foundation of the world.
“Let US make man in OUR image”
The Godhead is a Duality (Elohim plural), not a monotheistic deity, nor a triune deity.
/religion/2012/09/exposing-the-trinity-lie-2443762.html
/religion/2012/09/exposing-the-trinity-lie-part-2-2443780.html
/religion/2012/09/exposing-the-trinity-lie-part-3-2443784.html
/religion/2012/09/exposing-the-trinity-lie-part-4-2443818.html
The Scriptures make it clear that Messiah is a created Being; He is not an infinite Entity without beginning or ending. The Father created the Son — this rules out duality. Both the Father and the Son inhabit eternity, which is related to ‘place’ more than it is related to ‘time.’
You wrote that Messiah was created: “Only for the purpose of being a physical being.”
But we see from Paul’s writings that Messiah was the ‘firstbegotten’ of ALL CREATION before He was brought into the physical world by The Father.
The Father only speaks three times in all of the Bible — and no man has seen (or can see) Him. Many men saw YHWH though. YHWH Elohim Most High = The Father. YHWH of Hosts = The Son/Elohim of Israel.
I will review all of the material you linked to.
You will need to quote Scripture and verse from the Old Testament to prove what you are saying.
“First Begotten” can only refer to physical creation, not to the Spiritual realm.
The only Spiritual beings that were created were the angels.
You are also ignoring what I quoted from Scripture. “Let US make man in OUR image” As men we are made in THEIR image. Not The Father’s image alone.
You do a good job of assaulting the Trinitarian doctrine in your postings, and the depth of your studies is most evident. It seems to me though that you are relying on conjecture and speculation when reaching your conclusion about the dual ‘Godhead.’ I would recommend looking into the Kabbalistic etymology of the term ‘Godhead’ if you have not done so already.
Now, the closer one’s studies take them to the Father and the Son, the muddier the waters at first appear to become. This is due in large part to the mess the Trinitarians and Satanists have made of many of the verses. Humanists (reas Satanists) like Erasmus are almost always to blame for this unfortunate effect, but our Father has made it so that the unaltered verses are not too difficult to recover (as you aptly pointed out in the case of Matthew 28:19).
Can you point to any verses which serve as evidence in support of a ‘duality’? Verses like Genesis 1:26 “Let Us make man in Our image” are insufficient to the task, I am afraid. Speculation is called for in this case, as neither you nor I are privy to exactly whom is indicated by “US” in this verse. Trinitarians love to point to this verse as well for supposed ‘proof’ of their theory. Don’t forget that the entire Host of Heaven had been created by the time the words in this verse were uttered, so there are virtually limitless possibilities as to the identity of the subject “US” in this enigmatic passage.
yes2truth wrote:
““First Begotten” can only refer to physical creation, not to the Spiritual realm.”
Where is your evidence for this? Sounds like conjecture. And again:
“The only Spiritual beings that were created were the angels.”
I am aware of no scriptural evidence in support of either of the above statements.
“You will need to quote Scripture and verse from the Old Testament to prove what you are saying.”
Why must I quote from the Old Testament only? I consider the New Testament writings to be the inspired Word of the Almighty. May I quote from the New Testament writings of the Apostle Paul? (I would be using the KJV – checked against the Greek Textus Receptus.)
Making the case using only the OT is possible, but more time consuming.
Huh ? Oh, please, by all means, be free of religion. I’ve watched my mormie relations stuckonstupid in their “burning of the bosom” where their eyes glaze over and their voices go monotone. Then they come back to reality with strange laughter in an attempt to get their special knickers out of their hyper state of wadness. I think certain words trigger these mind controlled states. My poor, deluded converted relations haven’t caught on that their “burning of the bosom” testimony doesn’t work on us. I could laugh my head off if it weren’t so dang sad.
These 12 myths are right on the money. Those polygs are alive and well and living in UT. Seen ‘em. They are merely a tolerated embarrassment but it is pure and original Mormanism. I do believe the Mormie PTB do their level best to make their people feel normal, so they have to create this massive PR campaign to make themselves respectable within their hypocrisy. But they edit their teachings at will when they feel threatened by real Christian spirituality. Up close and personal, they don’t fool anybody with their religiosity.
Your diatribe here is especially telling. Just say NO to Moroni and you can be free too. Nothing sadder than religion that is not free.
Free of DUMB religion is what I meant to say.
I rely on Yashua Anointed only, not on speculation or conjecture or reasoning or logic or doctrine or any other worthless ‘attribute’ you may care to mention.
Kabbalism is totally demonic, so I am as likely to go there for any reliable info as I am likely to cut a hand off.
“Now, the closer one’s studies take them to the Father and the Son, the muddier the waters at first appear to become.”
Not at all, in fact the opposite is the case and those who worship anything other than The Father and The Son are anti-Christs:
/religion/2012/09/if-you-worship-the-trinity-are-you-an-antichrist-2443786.html
“Verses like Genesis 1:26 “Let Us make man in Our image” are insufficient to the task.”
Really? They are if you believe in the simplicity that is in Christ 2 Cor 11:3. This verse says what it says, to interpret it any other way would be intellectual explaining away or calling black, white. Ironically this is something that Rome too is very good at.
All in all you sound too intellectual to have a knowledge of The Truth, as were the ancient Greeks who considered The Truth foolishness.
“Where is your evidence for this? Sounds like conjecture”
Your understanding is poor to say the least. Only physical beings can be begotten for they are progeny or children born into this age. Spirit beings cannot be begotten, only created.
Psalm 148:2-5:
Praise Him, all His angels;
Praise Him, all His hosts!
Praise Him, sun and moon;
Praise Him, all stars of light!
Praise Him, highest heavens,
And the waters that are above the heavens!
Let them praise the name of the LORD,
For He commanded and they were created.
You must quote from the OT because from there you will learn your lessons of which your are in great need. And then some swift repentance I hope, but I won’t be holding my breath. LOL
yes2truth wrote:
“Kabbalism is totally demonic, so I am as likely to go there for any reliable info as I am likely to cut a hand off.”
Kabbalah is totally demonic. This we agree on, as well as many of the main points, for which reason I wonder why you feel the need to strike such a vitriolic tone. Are you a disciple of Messiah? or are you not. Because I differ with you on specifics does not give you cause to view me as an adversary. I am a follower of the Way, the Truth and the Life.
I do not suggest to you that you should study Kabbalah; merely that you would be prudent to discover the Kabbalistic roots of the term ‘Godhead’ if you wish to employ the term in the furtherance of your understanding of the Scriptures.
“Your understanding is poor to say the least. Only physical beings can be begotten for they are progeny or children born into this age. Spirit beings cannot be begotten, only created.”
Hebrews 1:6
And again, when He bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world
Messiah did not become the firstbegotten when He was in the world; rather He was brought into the world AS the firstbegotten. The Entity which manifested as Messiah on Earth is a spiritual Entity. This spiritual Entity is clearly said to have been begotten. Therefore, spiritual entities can be said to be begotten. Who are the Benei HaElohim from the book of Genesis? They are spiritual entities called “Sons of God.” Sons can rightly be said to be both created and begotten.
“You must quote from the OT because from there you will learn your lessons of which your are in great need. And then some swift repentance I hope, but I won’t be holding my breath. LOL”
If you give me a legitimate reason why I should limit my quotes to the Old Testament, I will do so. What you have here said amounts to: ‘because I told you so.’ And if you would be so kind as to point to a specific instance of something I have said which would require repentance, I would be most obliged. Is it not possible to have a civil discussion with you about these very important matters without you becoming aggressive and defensive? If I am incorrect in my assertions, all you need do is to show me the specific verses from the Scriptures which serve as direct evidence for your views. If you are right and I am wrong, then you should be patient and wield the Scriptures as the Sword of Elohim to teach; not to attack or accuse.
(ps — my comments keep getting posted out of order. This has nothing to do with me. I try to post them appropriately, and this system keeps rearranging the order.)
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Why do negative images of Mormons linger?
1. Mormonism is extremism. There has been a tradition of demonizing all other religions since the church’s founding. In the Book of Mormon we read:
“Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the who** of all the earth” 1 Nephi 14:10
Mormons teach that all other religions are led by the devil. This has been upheld by Mormon prophets and apostles since Joseph Smith. A more contemporary apostle had this to say of other religions:
“What is the church of the devil in our day, and where is the seat of her power? …It is all of the systems, both Christian and non-Christian, that perverted the pure and perfect gospel …It is communism; it is Islam; it is Buddhism; it is modern Christianity in all its parts” – Bruce McConkie
How is Mormonism to be respected by anyone outside of the religion when abhorrent statements like these are left to stand? These attitudes of elitism and arrogance make common ground between members of other churches and Mormonism impossible to find.
2. All too often, the Mormon church has found itself on the wrong side of history. They were firmly against the civil rights movement and they battled the ERA ammendment in the 80s.
To this day, the church does not allow women to occupy any of the top leadership roles (General Authorities). Women weren’t even allowed to speak in their bi-annual meetings until the 80s. At the last General Conference, only two women spoke in the public meetings of the conference over the 8 hours of instruction. the remaing 20+ talks were given by men. To say that women’s voices are equally valued in the Mormon church is absolutely false.
3. The Mormon church makes no apology for their racist past and continues to endorse the notion that dark skin is a curse. The Book of Mormon is littered with the notion that God places a dark skin as a curse for unrighteousness.
A recent Mormon prophet claimed that he observed that Indian children placed in Good Mormon homes often were lighter than their brothers and sisters on the reservation.
The Mormon Church makes no apology for this extremely racist notion.
It’s my opinion that the Mormon church has earned the negative image most Americans have of the church. Polls tend to suggest that the more people learn of the Mormon church and their history, the less likely they are to have a positive opinion of them…What’s UR Breakdown on this Doc…
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“Messiah did not become the firstbegotten when He was in the world; rather He was brought into the world AS the firstbegotten.”
He was brought into the world by normal physical conception, this being carried out via The Holy Spirit. Mary was inseminated this way rather than via the usual way with a man. The process was wholly physical NOT Spiritual. Yashua Anointed was not fully Spiritual until He was baptised and received The Holy Spirit.
The Devil did not know who He was until this time, hence the murder of all the first born under Herod.
“They are spiritual entities called “Sons of God.” Sons can rightly be said to be both created and begotten.”
“Sons of God” as in Genesis were angels and they were created – period. Nowhere does it say they were begotten. Yashua Anointed was THE FIRST AND ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER.
I am already providing you with ALL the information you need and it is not my problem if you cannot see it or if you choose not to see it.
Most people believe what they WANT to believe – a subjective emotionally driven thing. I have learnt, too, that you can give them all the proof and evidence in the universe, but they will still believe in what they want to believe in. For this spiritual malaise there is no cure for in this age.
“Mary was inseminated this way rather than via the usual way with a man. The process was wholly physical NOT Spiritual.”
This is yet further conjecture on your part. Nowhere in the Scriptures are we told the mechanism by which Mariam conceived. To assume that you know the method does nothing to demonstrate the validity of your argument.
I am in the Northeast US and I keep losing internet. Do you have a website? I seek study; not conflict. I reached my present point in my search be eliminating all of my convictions and cherished beliefs. If you are correct in your assertions, well. It would not be a problem for me in the least bit if you are correct and I am wrong. I do not see scriptural evidence in support of your claims, however. Your argument seems weak to me. I do not say this to insult. Our understanding of the tennets of the Scriptures must be verifiable by the verses themselves.
“This is yet further conjecture on your part. Nowhere in the Scriptures are we told the mechanism by which Mariam conceived. To assume that you know the method does nothing to demonstrate the validity of your argument.”
Correct, we have to use our common sense which you’re obviously seriously lacking. Yashua Anointed was born into this world just the same as any other baby. So I am not assuming anything. He was begotten and I have already told you that Spirit beings cannot be begotten – only physical beings.
Furthermore I have no arguments – I am telling you The Truth. You are the one who is arguing.
“I do not see scriptural evidence in support of your claims.”
I have given you all The Scriptural evidence you need, but you’re blind to The Truth. Furthermore, I have made no claims The Truth is not claimed, it’s stated or declared, only ignorant blind Bible intellectuals claim things. You cannot see because you are Spiritually dead and there is nothing I can do for you.
“I seek study; not conflict.”
I do not believe this statement to be true, so further discourse is pointless. I would, in effect, be casting pearls before swine by continuing.
“I reached my present point in my search be eliminating all of my convictions and cherished beliefs.”
Yes, unfortunately, it would seem that you have exchanged one load of nonsense for another load of nonsense. Not uncommon in theological circles.
“Your argument seems weak to me. I do not say this to insult.”
Here you’re being disingenuous and I will repeat that I am not arguing, it’s you who is arguing and The Truth can never be weak, but it will sound weak to an intellectual with no Spiritual understanding.
“Correct, we have to use our common sense which you’re obviously seriously lacking.”
Is this nasty spirit which animates you the Spirit of Messiah and of His Father? Tell me that it is, and then I will know you for a liar.
“I have already told you that Spirit beings cannot be begotten – only physical beings.”
So I should just take your word for it. Sorry. I take no man’s word for anything if it pertains to the Scriptures and cannot be verified by the Scriptures. Show me from the Book why you imagine this assertion to be valid; otherwise, just continue to bable and lift up your head and your heart — imagining yourself to be something you are not.
“Furthermore I have no arguments – I am telling you The Truth. You are the one who is arguing.”
You will support your claims with chapter and verse, or you will proceed to make noise and hot air. Verify what you say from the Book, or you have nothing to say worth hearing.
More hot noise and worthless vanity from a person who claims to be a genuine follower of Messiah. I’ll let you know when I meet one. You are a phony.
Even if everything you said about me were 100% accurate, a man of Messiah would be patient and longsuffering, showing Scripture when asked, rather than vomiting venom and nonsense.
Repent.
There’s only one liar here sunshine and it’s you.
You people are a dime a dozen and like your father The Devil you’re always like snakes in the grass.
“I seek study; not conflict.” Bull’s excrement.
A son of the Devil if ever there was one.
“Is this nasty spirit which animates you the Spirit of Messiah and of His Father? Tell me that it is, and then I will know you for a liar.”
It’s only nasty to you, because you’re not of Yashua Anointed, you’re of a false messiah – a messiah that doesn’t exist. This makes you a Judaiser for you only have one God.
Here is your satanic blasphemy: “The Scriptures make it clear that Messiah is a created Being; He is not an infinite Entity without beginning or ending.” and no the Scriptures do not make it clear at all and furthermore you have not shown any Scriptures that prove it either. All you have done is prove you’re no different to JW’s who also believe in a non-messiah.
The only place where these satanic errors are clear is in your deluded mind.
“So I should just take your word for it. Sorry. I take no man’s word for anything if it pertains to the Scriptures and cannot be verified by the Scriptures.”
No, I have already quoted the Scriptures on this. Yashua Anointed was The ONLY BEGOTTEN of The Father. There is only one problem here and that’s your inability to understand what the word ‘begotten’ means. Am I to be blamed for your Biblical and Spiritual ignorance or is it an obtuse bloody minded attitude on your part that I am dealing with?
John 1:14 (KJV) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the ONLY BEGOTTEN of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (emphasis mine)
Being begotten is purely a physical phenomenon as this verse proves:
Heb 11:17 (KJV) By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son.
“Lift up your head and your heart — imagining yourself to be something you are not.”
I cannot lift myself up as you appear to be doing. I imagine nothing and I have been lifted up by Yashua Anointed, so I am His messenger and you are disagreeing and arguing with me.
“Even if everything you said about me were 100% accurate, a man of Messiah would be patient and longsuffering, showing Scripture when asked, rather than vomiting venom and nonsense.”
Everything I have said on this topic is 100% accurate, but you appear to be having difficulty accepting it and CHOOSE to argue instead. You’re unteachable, and whilst you continue to believe in the satanic lies of a created non-messiah you will remain unteachable being filled instead with Judaising monotheistic vanity – the spirit of a 21st century Pharisee.