SEEN AND UNSEEN POWERS. DO YOU?
SEEN AND UNSEEN POWERS
To me: There are things seen and unseen. The unseen things are ALL the GOOD things that have created/manifested what is seen. We are all spiritual creatures and strain to understand the unseen…or that which will never be understood. We have a better chance of understanding the Universe than that which created it. The power of thought is one of the unseen.
We understand that things are manifested by our thought. What we as humans manifest with our thought is seen. There would be nothing human with out thought of it first. What the Universal power of spirit manifests is also seen…it is called the Universe.
I think that when man created God in his image, that was to much for those of intellect. I think of “God” like a computer file that contains all the many powers of the unseen. My personal belief has always been of an “unseen LIFE power” that has the ability to create life force that makes everything live. Life being quantitative.
There is biological life and inert life. Like the life in plants or in the living earth or the living Universe. Simply because man cannot imagine or explain is not reason enough to say “No…that power cannot exist…” It is small minded. But then man IS small minded and the only chance we have of expanding to greater mind is if we come to understand the connection between us all in our mutual identical sprite.
That is one place that we are all the same…Spirit. Spirit is the same for everyone no matter how each person choose to believe or disbelieve in its power and ability.
Most people come to enlightenment/spirit through adversity. A wise man comes by way of attraction. The power of spirit is very bright and we all strive for it like a moth to a flame.
Love is one of the unseen…but how many of us understand it? But we “realize” it is there and is real. We will never understand any of the unseen powers. But we can “realize” and accept them. We learn how to coexist and work together with them. You can start with Love because that is one we all know well.
Each person holds these powers inside of them and can project them if they work with and realize them…like love. Spiritual powers are not found outside of us. But we can see them working or not working in ourselves and in others.
Peace is also one of these powers. Peace on earth is not that bad of an idea/thought.
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There is a body of knowledge that eclipses this thought.
Look up a woman that is helping to transform thought to be a little closer aligned with Truth.
Her name is Gangaji.
She says it better than I could write it. Besides, most things written here aren’t particularly well accepted as valuable.
You’re mixing the everything all together and attempting to understand it. This will leave you very confused. If an old women can do it so can you. Trust yourself and your Spirit.
“The unseen things are ALL the GOOD things that have created/manifested what is seen.”
That makes no sense what so ever. For every action there is an equal AND opposite reaction. Whats the bet you think there is such a thing as black and white. In reality too much light can blind you just the same as too much dark.
Pix you’re kind of growing up in public here aren’t you.
It’s hard I know but I feel it’s safe to say you really aren’t received as one so worldly as you may believe. You read and sound pretty ignorant of so many things which isn’t a bad thing, necessarily.
It’s just a sign of one speaking with a need to be heard. Keep that need until it serves you no longer.
But at least try to investigate something with no historical emotional filters before forming an unintelligent opinion on it.
You read the first line then ran down here to post? That also makes not sense at all.
It only appears that way. Most of the time these articles are so stupid they trip over themselves on the sentence. If the first sentence is stupid, it’s a waste of time because it’s all based on a false premise. In this example the first sentence makes no sense what so ever, what makes you think the rest of it will?
Pix: This is one of the inherent dangers of trying to write about things that do not make sense.
Learning the Spirit of unseen does not happen over night. It is only realized and is never understood. Yes…there were some old guys in the bible that twisted this into gods.
“Yes…there were some old guys in the bible that twisted this into gods.”
Drip… drip… drip… drip…
I just read your essay on ‘Yahweh’ posted amongst the other wares you hawk. Splendid. How does it feel to be in naked, frank rebellion to the Most High?
As I said — the only myth around here is atheism itself.
When a man (or whatever you are) is beset by a constant need to concoct fabrications and lies to use against his ‘opponent’ — doesn’t it ever occur to him that he might be on the wrong side?
Does honesty mean so little to you?
If you find confusion in my posts it would be from a lack of understanding of them. But then most of what I write about is that which can’t be understood so this would not be estranged or weird really. Yes…honesty is paramount to me. And I have no opponents in my life. If you are one that is something you have decided on your own.
I oppose only that portion of your message which is antithetical to the message of the written Word. I do not oppose you per se or personally.
I get angry sometimes (briefly) when I see such naked and brazen attacks on the Almighty and on elements of the Scriptures, but I bear you no ill will at all. I’m glad to see you communicate that honesty is important to you, and I hope that there is truth to the statement.
You might consider amending the intensity of your attack on the things of the Book (if you deny that you attack, I can assure you that you DO) and you might consider a full-scale personal investigation into the reasons for why it is so important that you assault the way that you do.
I do not care for Islam, and I have no love for Talmudic Judaism. I don’t much care for any religion at all. And yet, I feel no compulsion whatsoever to continuously pound on either of them. If I mention them at all it is only in passing. I have yet to hear an explanation for why some people are so driven to attack the Scriptures. I would very much appreciate hearing your thoughts on this issue if you ever care to express them.
I just wrote this to someone else but I will post it for you also. Let me give you a tiny smattering of why to appose religion.
I did not and I do not accuse personally. But people that profess/proselytizing for religion should learn and study what they believe in and there for support. I have yet to hear from anyone God religious that will accept that God religion was “forced” onto the populous with thousands of years of the most horrible inhumanity ever seen and continues today. Your “choice” was to profess belief in God…or die! FEAR! Quite a church building tool I would say. The Catholic Church for 2000 years killed in the many millions to “evangelize” for the “one and only” true God, flying in the face of literally 100’s of faiths and Gods and does so to this day. Mohammad studied with Catholic priests to understand the superior race theory for his Quran and it is still used to this day (1500 years after his Muslim Islamic conception), to murder and jihad. Hitler studied with the Catholic Church and was a Catholic Christian. The church stood by his “just” religious war even funding parts of it for his “persecuted for thousands of years” Aryan people (Antarctica underground caves the Aryans native home where Hitler searched for the Grail). I could go on and on forever with all the genocide, murder and religious belief insanity but chances are you will only discount this as ME being crazy and will not try to see it as historical truth and fact. But yes…I believe that if you support a genocidal war machine…even through ignorance…you are as guilty as those that perpetrate/perpetuate it.
Your sentiment above can best be summarized by its final two sentences:
“I could go on and on forever with all the genocide, murder and religious belief insanity but chances are you will only discount this as ME being crazy and will not try to see it as historical truth and fact. But yes…I believe that if you support a genocidal war machine…even through ignorance…you are as guilty as those that perpetrate/perpetuate it.”
Now check this out – and please be aware that I am a man for whom honesty is very important: I agree with this statement of yours 100 percent.
You also wrote:
“I have yet to hear from anyone God religious that will accept that God religion was “forced” onto the populous with thousands of years of the most horrible inhumanity ever seen and continues today.”
Now, I think I have an idea what you mean by “God religious”. I am not religious. I am against ALL religion. This is something I feel you and I have in common. However, it is my contention that the message expressed to us in the written Word is not religion, and has no legitimate connection to any religion. Many religions have (according to what they teach about themselves) based their own thought disciplines on the Bible. But again, it is my contention that ALL OF THEM have done so out of either a complete misunderstanding of the message of the Bible, or through outright fraudulence. Christianity is a religion which espouses and teaches foundational constructs which are diametrically opposed to what is written in the Scriptures. And Catholicism? Catholicism speaks of miracles. The only miracle associated with Catholicism is that so many Catholics can be fooled into believing that their religion has any connection at all with the words written in the Bible. If the Bible says to go left, the Church of Rome says to go right. Where the Bible teaches one concept, the Church of Rome inserts its own alternate teaching – and this despite the fact that the Bible clearly states that the premises illustrated within its pages WILL NOT change, and that no man or group of men have any authority to make any changes. Moreover, I agree with the sentiment and I accept the fact that “religion was ‘forced’ onto the populous with thousands of years of the most horrible inhumanity ever seen and continues today”. Those men and women not forced to accept religion through coercive means, were tricked into accepting religious doctrines through fraud and deception.
You observe that wars have been fought and millions of people have been killed, supposedly based upon what the Bible teaches. This is simply not true. If the men and organizations responsible for the wars and the killing ACTUALLY BELIEVED in the message of the Bible – the wars would not have been fought and the people would not have been murdered. The Crusades and the Inquisitions of the Church of Rome were crimes perpetrated by an institution which has NO legitimate connection with the message of the Bible, with the exception of the FACT that the Bible refers to the Roman Church in disparaging and inculpatory terms (not according to a surface read, but according to descriptions of her liturgies, her costumes, and her practices).
Whenever the claim is made that the religions which exist today, or have existed at any time in the past in this age, have any legitimate connection to the message of the written Word; that claim is made fraudulently. All such claims are an outright slander of the written Word, and a slander of the Most High.
There is no such thing as an organization or an institution which has any legitimate connection with the message of the written Word. All religious groups and institutions which claim an authentic connection with the Bible, do so fraudulently. Thereafter these same groups and institutions will perpetrate, whether overtly or covertly, all manner of the most heinous high crimes and misdemeanors against the race of mankind. Then, the connection will naturally be assumed that all of these religious groups and organizations which habitually behave in many execrable and loathsome ways, do so because of their affiliation with the Bible. It is that affiliation, sir, which I point my finger at and identify that I may accuse it. The reason why men like yourself have come to abhor the Bible is because you have been convinced of the legitimacy of this illegitimate connection.
In the Old Testament, the Almighty Himself is responsible for initiating open warfare in several instances. This was almost always as a result of His efforts to eradicate the half-human hybrid Nephilim (the fallen ones). There was much blood shed those many thousands of years ago on account of His bidding. Since then, there have been NO wars prosecuted under the auspices of either His authority or His authorization. As I have mentioned to you in the past, it is a grave error to assume that we have the necessary knowledge, wisdom and understanding we would need to judge the Almighty for any of His acts or deeds. There is MUCH in the Bible that He offers us by way of an explanation for why He is the way He is; and why He does the things He does. But beyond that, it is a fool’s errand to dare to assume. He has promised us that all things will be revealed to us, in HIS time, and according to HIS Will – not in our time, according to our will.
Men claim that their religions bear a unique affiliation with the written Word of the Scriptures. Men have always done this, and men continue to do so. Here is the truth of the matter:
All men who have ever made the claim that their own religion, or the religion of another, has any legitimate connection with the message of the written Word of the Bible…
…have told nothing but lies.
Let all men be liars and only the unaltered Word written in the Scriptures of YHWH Elohim be true.
Ahhh Beef man. You are a man of great passion and a joy to have found. You have come a long way as have I. It would be impossible for me to fault anything you say because everything in human life is that of opinion. Even verifiable truth can be trumped with opinion or belief to the contrary. As you say truth is of the utmost importance but that does not mean that even with the best of intentions we have a the true meaning of it. I am confused by your post and do not totally understand what it is you proselytize for. Is it God or the Bible or both or what? But I think we draw a line between us here. The bible is a capitulation of stories handed down for over 7000 traceable years. To try and go over each story here would be ludicrous but the bottom line is they are all metaphysical pros of moral concepts and visions of God. These are men that interpret what they think God said and what it means. What God wants and does not want. If there is a true God he would live in the Spirit and there for would have no wants or needs of man in anyway shape of or form. But you also seem to extrapolate that the bible does not provoke killing or genocide. That is completely faults. The bible is loaded with bigotry hate and racist genocide. God even glorifies murder and killing. He is jealous of other gods Exodus 34:14
“for thou shalt worship no other god: for Jehovah, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God” and bigoted Deuteronomy 7:6 For thou art a holy people unto Jehovah thy God: Jehovah thy God hath chosen thee to be a people for his own possession, above all peoples that are upon the face of the earth..” But the bottom line is there are no gods of any kind and the bible is very suspect in intentions and fraud of misrepresentation of ancient writings.
For me there is only Spirit and that is where this all started over 10k years ago. But to start you on your learning curve of genocide here are some verses for you to study. Catholics invented genocidal jihad and the Muslims are having fun with it today.
“Show No Mercy!” Deut 7:2
“Make no peace!” Deut 7:2
“March to War!” Numbers 32:20
“Ethnic cleanse!” Deut. 20:15
“Commit genocide!” Joshua 10:20
“Enslave!” Lev. 25:44
“Beat to death!” Ex. 21:20
“Kill women and chilldren!” Numbers 31:17, 1 Samuel 15:3
“Kill all prisoners!” Deut 7:2
“Destroy!” Deut. 7:16
“Annihilate!” Deut. 17:29
“Slaughter!” Deut. 13:15, Joshua 8:24
“Burn!” Deut. 13:15
“Torture!” Lev. 24:23, Numbers 5:11
“Massacre!” Numbers 21:2
“Exterminate!” Deut 2:34, Deut 3:3
“Crush!” Deut. 33:29
“Kill!” Joshua 9:24
“Destroy!” Deut 31:4
“Smote!” Esther 9:5
“Slash!” Judges 15:8
“Burn!” joshua 6:24
“Kill!” Joshua 10:10
“Kill!” Judges 11:33
“Kill!” Deut 9:3
“Loot!” Deut. 20:10
“Plunder!” Numbers 31:9, Deut 2:35
“Rape!” Numbers 31:18, Deut. 21:10, Judges 21:11
“Pillage!” 1 Samuel 23:5
“Kill!” Deut 9:3
“Kill!” Deut 20:15
“Kill!” Judges 21:11
Anyway…I have no real interest in talks about gods and the bible or being trapped into arguments over proving the bible one way or the other. It is simply an interesting book of many. There are many other books with much better learning tools of Christian theory that you need not Believe in. Ever wonder why there is a “lie” in the middle of believe?
You’ve expressed your wishes to not become embroiled in any significant and meaningful debate about the Scriptures. I would suggest to you then that you immediately cease from castigating the written Word. Are you a man to whom honesty is important, as you have claimed? Then be prepared to explain yourself and the reasons for your beliefs when asked to – especially when you are the author and purveyor of essays and articles which excoriate the Scriptures. Do you just want to talk and be heard without being called upon to account for your words? You have far more to learn than you imagine.
You wrote:
“Even verifiable truth can be trumped with opinion or belief to the contrary.”
In what world is this true? It may be true in the vacant catacombs and echo chambers which you frequent, but in THIS world, sir, the truth cannot be trumped with anything, much less with the frivolities you here have in mind. One can merely delude himself into believing that his thoughts and opinions carry any meaningful weight at all. But for your limited comprehension of all things spiritual, and for your fatuous belief in the efficacy of your insights, you have nothing at all upon which to stand. There is no ground beneath you. You are a cast-away floating in the ether and you simply imagine that your feet have managed to find purchase. You are adrift without bearings. But that isn’t all, because you suffer from the universal delirium which is unique to those who find themselves in your predicament: You feel qualified to make proclamations and to explain to others those things of which you yourself have no knowledge or understanding.
“The bible is a capitulation of stories handed down for over 7000 traceable years.”
Only in your mind is this true, and perhaps not even there.
“But the bottom line is there are no gods of any kind”
I’ll have no interest in debating that topic with you. Just remember you said it when you’re staring into the serpentine eyes of one of them. You can deny his existence to his face and listen to him laugh at you before he eats you. I speak of the gods, lowercase ‘g’, mind you, as this is what you have denied. I suspect you know full well that you are a created being and that you have a Creator. Have you sufficient audacity to deny Him as well?
“But to start you on your learning curve of genocide here are some verses for you to study.”
After this smarmy rejoinder you provided a list of words and phrases which you have extracted from the Scriptures (or pilfered uncredited from some other source) attended by chapter and verse citations. Do you actually have the arrogance to prescribe Bible study for me? You would be better suited if you occasionally took your own advice before further diminishing your own position. Why don’t YOU read those verses you quoted from and learn the INTENDED meaning behind the words rather than isolating the words to suit your own vain purposes. YHWH is not mocked, sir. You are.
“Ever wonder why there is a “lie” in the middle of believe?”
Ever wonder why the non compos mentis are forbidden to testify?
I mean to extend you a lifeline sir. You have no idea where you are or what you are doing.
It doesn’t matter what you think or what you believe. All that matter is what IS. Go find out what IS.
Truly this exchange has come to an end Beef man. You are a wild capitulation of ideas, theory and belief that are way to much for me to try and sift through. But you keep hounding me about the bible and no proof of what I say when I posted some of my reasoning for staying away from the written word as you put it. I post them again but there is so much more…
“Show No Mercy!” Deut 7:2
“Make no peace!” Deut 7:2
“March to War!” Numbers 32:20
“Ethnic cleanse!” Deut. 20:15
“Commit genocide!” Joshua 10:20
“Enslave!” Lev. 25:44
“Beat to death!” Ex. 21:20
“Kill women and chilldren!” Numbers 31:17, 1 Samuel 15:3
“Kill all prisoners!” Deut 7:2
“Destroy!” Deut. 7:16
“Annihilate!” Deut. 17:29
“Slaughter!” Deut. 13:15, Joshua 8:24
“Burn!” Deut. 13:15
“Torture!” Lev. 24:23, Numbers 5:11
“Massacre!” Numbers 21:2
“Exterminate!” Deut 2:34, Deut 3:3
“Crush!” Deut. 33:29
“Kill!” Joshua 9:24
“Destroy!” Deut 31:4
“Smote!” Esther 9:5
“Slash!” Judges 15:8
“Burn!” joshua 6:24
“Kill!” Joshua 10:10
“Kill!” Judges 11:33
“Kill!” Deut 9:3
“Loot!” Deut. 20:10
“Plunder!” Numbers 31:9, Deut 2:35
“Rape!” Numbers 31:18, Deut. 21:10, Judges 21:11
“Pillage!” 1 Samuel 23:5
“Kill!” Deut 9:3
“Kill!” Deut 20:15
“Kill!” Judges 21:11
I will only say one more time. There is only Spirit and man made up gods and religion. This is fact and very much verifiable if only you would take a little time in research. You have spent way to much time with you head in the bible IMHO.
Then I suggest that you set pen to paper and inscribe your own ‘holy’ book, for the only truth you are capable of recognizing is that which you have concocted on your own.
I wish you the best, sir. I really do.
Please think twice before you post any more insulting or inflammatory pieces about YHWH or about the Scriptures; unless, that is, you feel you are up to defending what you have written.
I’ll take all the time I need in dealing with your words. At least, I’ll take as much time as is GIVEN to me by our Father in Heaven. It is He at Whose pleasure we are permitted to communicate.
Good day sir.
Meat man: I actually lost some sleep over you. You asked for some of my supporting reasons and I post them below. I was thinking back to a time when I was like you. The process of my religiosity dogma delusion. I spent half my life self-deluding 30 yrs. and the rest I still suffer residual pain from. It is for people like you and I that I write and produce literature for the “religiously abused”. You are in the anger phase of belief. The anger comes from the confusion that is deep within you. On the surface you profess strongly an “all-powerful knowing” and certainty of your infallible God and the holly Book of Gods infallible words. But inside this is not true. Does the solder truly take joy in beheading, crucifying or impaling his brother over religiosity and mythology and orders from the church? How would you like to live with that? The church does the same thing promoting its religiosity with unthinkable cruelty and fear mongering. The bible is simply a book written for the sole purpose of power and control. Sure it has some good things but anyone with a basic moral compass understands the 10 commandments. All the rest is cannon law that supports religion. It is about what a Christian god is and how you are to believe and reverence and give your life completely and totally to god and in so…to the church. But it is not god that you are truly giving your life to as you “believe”…it is the religion and the church. You say you are not religious…or support any religion… that is a huge fight in itself. This is an even worst place to be because you are lost on your own but still believing all the dogma (been there). You don’t have the little fortresses and singing brain washed congregations to support you. Your fears have turned to anger and you seek out places and people to assert it on. The least little thing will set you off, like that little benign comment that you find good in the bible. You’re kidding me right? Just for that you would like to strangle me. This is the danger I am writing about. The biblical teaching and brain washing of Jihad…the Christian war against normal man. You are the one man Christian Borg. Resistance is futile to your god supreme. Resistance is not futile and if you can let that little spark of intellectual wisdom (the enemy of god and rightly so) that is still burning in you to grow you will see the light to crawl your way out. It takes many years do heal from a religious delusion as any cult survivor will attest. The stages are filled with anger and pain, sorrow and tears. The hardest part learning to love yourself again, maybe for the first time. But in the end you will discover a peace you have never known before. The Bible promises all these things but can never deliver them. Once you figure out you have been misled you will begin to seek real truth. When that day comes…think back to me and feel the pain that I also suffer, just the same as you. We are both wounded in Spirit as are millions of others. Millions of us.
Now as to your claim that the bible has been misused I agree that you think so because you believe it was written for good. But its “misuse” is your theory…it was used precisely for the purpose it was written. There was never a grandiose peaceful plan for human take over, it was always a plan of violence and war. It is a religious war plan book. But you are making excuses for the originators. The god you profess is all over the book insisting death and destruction. Bottom line: If you come to a place, as I have and simply do not believe in a violent murderous bigoted god then you will understand that there is no god at all and that there is only Spirit. Or that which is in “God” and man. There are many viruses to support this in the bible but are overlooked as meaning god. You have to open your eyes and look. God is a man-made invention for religiosity to hinge on. They did the same thing with Jesus for the new Jesus Religions to take over the old testament religions. That is why the church left the old in so they could poo poo it and center on the NEW TESTIMENT of Jesus Christ. Religion with a face lift. Spirit is real and that is what you feel inside you. It is not a flying man in the sky or a prophet. If you have read this far I am sure you are so angry that this “proof” you ask for will fly over your head but someday they may make sense.
This from the Vulgate translation in Knox (I think Vulgate Knox written in 405 the best translation):
Genesis 6:3 But God said, This “spirit” of mine shall not endure in man forever…
We see God speaking of the Spirit as an entity or power. They are separate and not one in the same. They are as one as we are as one with Spirit. But you can live and deny your Spirit as we see further on:
From The Nag Hammadi: First lines first Book of the Egyptians:
1. “The holy book of the Egyptians about the great invisible Spirit, the Father whose name cannot be uttered, he who came forth from the heights of the perfection, the light of the light of the aeons of light, the light of the silence of the providence the Father of the silence, the light of the word and the truth, the light of the incorruptions, the infinite light, the radiance from the aeons of light of the unrevealable, unmarked, ageless, unproclaimable Father, the aeon of the aeons, Autogenes, self-begotten, self-producing, alien, the really true aeon”.
[In the first lines, there is no mention of God or anything other than “the great invisible Spirit”. The Spirit being called Father. Spirit power self-producing (Autogenes) its Spirit self. It also infers to other Gods then called Aeons.]
2. Three powers came forth from him; they are the Father, the Mother, (and) the Son, from the living silence, what came forth from the incorruptible Father. These came forth from the silence of the unknown Father.
[There are no verses in the Nag Hammadi but I marked them as such for understanding. The next line proclaims a linage from Spirit of three “POWERS” (not people). Thou they are talking of the living silence (Spirit power) they use the masculine inflection of Father and him and also infer gender to the other powers or Gods.]
Nag Hammadi:
“Jesus said, “If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you.”
How can anyone not find this discovery exciting? What could it be that Jesus calls “is within you”? I truly believe it is Spirit he is talking about in this parable. I’m working to bring forth what is in me…my Spirit. I have felt the pain of being destroyed without it; it’s like being the angry walking dead. But who am I to translate to fit my meaning? I have always felt that my learning is just for me and no one else? This is just what I get out of this parable to share. It rings as if, what is in you will destroy you but who can say what the original words meant before the translation. To me, I realize it is “not bring forth” that will destroy you. Destroy and kill are not synonymous in this parable I don’t believe because Jesus was speaking of Spirit not of life. It is my Spirit living…not my earthly life, that will be destroyed. But this is just what I think and feel. Everything is an individual’s interpretation or acceptance of someone else’s. I think it best to rely on your own.
The story of Nag Hammadi and more translations are found at this wonderful web page.
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/goseqypt.html
I hope this will give you a little bit of the reasons I believe in Spirit and not in the man-made religiosity. Finding these truths have helped me get over my anger and self-loathing. My hope is that you will consider them for your own personal studies. Stay your path alone my man till you find others that are of your like mind…whatever it ends up being. I hope it will be with the Spirit of Universal intelligence. Ok meat man…I think I will sleep better tonight. I doubt you will because you will have to figure out a way to slander me. Sorry for that but that is a choice we make in belief. I am very peaceful and comfortable living in realization and not in belief. Sk1951
We are both wasting a lot of time and words that have no meaning to each other. I also write with levity and you are missing all that. You take things way to serious dude. Not that this is not serious but there is humor in anything if you want there to be. You say you are happy, that is good because that was my worry. You say you are not supportive of religion that is good because that is what I protest against. So truly there is only our imaginations to disagree over and that is truly silly. I attempt to share not convert. To add to a persons knowledge base Spirit awareness and the truth behind religion. This should fit neatly into what you say you believe. You simply add God to your list and I don’t. If what you do is working for you than wonderful for you. Keep it up. Your name for god is one of hundreds of names, just another religious name for god. The one you use is Hebrew Arabic Tetragrammaton of Yahweh but it does not matter to me. As I say I cannot be disrespectful of anything that only exists in the mind and imagination. I support your belief is it is good and working for you. I don’t support a belief in a the Christian god theory of genocide and war. That does not work and is not good. God is a theory created to produce religion from the knowing of Spirit from ancient texts. You claim to know nothing of religion but that is all you truly know because of your study of the bible. I have been where you are and all your huff and puff will never convince me to go back to that dark place again. The Bible is scriptural indoctrination to a “belief” in a god cult. Belief by definition is “not knowing” that is why you have to believe. I have provided you everything you asked for and you have not commented on any of it or attempted to disprove it and of course because it is not supportive of god the way you want it to be it cannot be validated by you in any way. In fact I have probably done you harm by trying because now you will have to build a wall against all that I said to you. I should know better by now but I could not help myself. It just hurts me so much to see a man as deluded as you are… and I was. As I said I know all there is to know of god and religion i.e.: They are the worst man invented abominations the human race has ever had to contend with. I don’t disrespect god because there is no god in the Christian biblical sense. And presenting my belief or knowing should not be construed as disrespect to any person. I don’t find it disrespectful to me to have to listen to the syco babble of the religious but I do find it sad and scary, bigoted and racist. But if there were a god…I would disrespect him in every way I could think of for all the evil wars he has/is created. But there is no god that started any wars…man did with his bible fantasies. I gave you the “proof” that is every bit as potent as anything you have read or believe in. It supersedes your bibles and are the words that have been twisted into the god fallacy for religion control and war. It is all invented, written by man…not by any invisible flying man in the sky. Men deserve to be elevated no farther above life than any other thing that is alive. The reverence is in the “ knowing” of life… not of “believing” in a fairy tale concocted to control man with religion. You have jumped hook line and sinker into a cult. And from what I can see will be a lost cause to your humanity believing that god is more important than peace and love. Very sad to me… Sure…keep it up…if you want. I enjoy talking of Spirit and discounting religion. If your goal is to prove yourself superior to me in knowledge of god and religion that should be no problem because I am doing all I can to forget what I know about them both. Talkers talk to hear themselves and most writers write simply to see themselves write so nothing lost really. Well…this has been fun…gotta go to the gym now. Later meat man.
I don’t get why your posts don’t have a reply button. Maybe god is trying to protect you from this evil blasphemer… I should burn in hell for that! I your imagination I’m sure that I will.
“Now as to your claim that the bible has been misused I agree that you think so because you believe it was written for good. But its “misuse” is your theory…it was used precisely for the purpose it was written.”
Nothing doing, my good man. This comment of yours is easily and completely defeated by the fact that the Bible itself tells us what it should be used for. It tells us its intended purpose. There is no ‘theory’ needed, and there should be none involved. Take the Bible at its word. It tells you what it is. Why listen to the ‘theory’ of anyone on the matter? First you must have considered the obvious.
“God is a man-made invention for religiosity to hinge on.”
Perhaps man-made. Perhaps not. But you should stop using the term ‘God’ at all if you ever hope to free yourself of the particular quagmire which results from that term’s use. What is ‘God’? Who do intend when you employ the term? There is ONE. He is not a god and He is not GOD. He is called YHWH Elohim of Hosts. He is The Elohim of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel. Who do you have in mind when you say ‘God’?
“Spirit is real and that is what you feel inside you.”
This is true. However you still have no idea of what you speak. You are where you are because you became lost. Perhaps you were always lost. Wherever you go, there you are. But you still have no idea where that is.
“If you have read this far I am sure you are so angry that this “proof” you ask for will fly over your head but someday they may make sense.”
I will always read everything you write to me, SK. Each and every word. But I never asked you for proof of anything. I doubt very much you have any idea what ‘proof’ is. Do you even know what ‘evidence’ is? Do you know the difference between the two?
The Nag Hammadi “Scriptures” are nothing but Gnostic hogwash. I’ve examined them, just as I have the other writings of their kind; i.e. the writings of the Kabbalah and the Mystery Schools, of Theosophy and of Philosophy. There is nothing you will ever find in any of these documents which I will view as worthy of consideration. These writings have one purpose, which is to deceive. They have one ultimate source, which is the Adversary himself.
“Ok meat man…I think I will sleep better tonight. I doubt you will because you will have to figure out a way to slander me.”
That’s silly SK. Slander is demonstrably untrue, by its very nature. I can easily demonstrate every charge I’ve ever leveled against you. I respond only to your words, sir. I invent nothing. And remember that, even when I make bold and harsh-sounding charges against you, I do not judge you. I accuse that part of you which I can see as being in error. That is all. I don’t want to hurt you and I don’t want to cause you undue distress. If you feel you have been slandered by me, please point out some specifics and I will address them as they are brought to light. If I slander you, I do so in error and as a terrible disservice to you. But I haven’t slandered you. Not ever. I usually quote you.
“We are both wasting a lot of time and words that have no meaning to each other.”
That might be true for one of us. It certainly isn’t true for me.
“So truly there is only our imaginations to disagree over and that is truly silly.”
My imagination does not factor into these matters at all. And if you seriously believed that, then I doubt very much we would be having this conversation. You are simply trying to dismiss that which you know to be impossible to dismiss.
“I attempt to share not convert.”
You attempt to cause harm and to destroy. You do this because you are angry and bitter, and because you have become cognizant of the fact that you hate YHWH and seek vengeance against his people. This is my summary finding of the reasons for your behavior. You do what you do with a passion. You are prolific. You are motivated. I deny that your motive is a noble one. I do not mistake you. I am not counted among the uninitiated.
“As I say I cannot be disrespectful of anything that only exists in the mind and imagination.”
Is that the excuse you plan on offering Him in the day you are called to render an accounting of your deeds? I don’t foresee that working out for you very well.
“I don’t support a belief in a the Christian god theory of genocide and war.”
There is another thing we have in common.
“You claim to know nothing of religion…”
This is another of your galactic misrepresentations of my words. I claim to know more about religion than perhaps 95% of the people alive on the planet at the moment.
“… but that is all you truly know because of your study of the bible.”
I know this is something you would desperately love to believe. Good luck ever convincing me that it’s actually what you believe, however. I know better.
“I have been where you are and all your huff and puff will never convince me to go back to that dark place again.”
You have never been where I am. Let me repeat that: You have never been where I am. You are correct, however, in that my “huff and puff” is in an effort to help you to come to this realization. You and everyone reading these words would do yourselves unspeakable favors if you would even consider this to be a possibility.
“I have provided you everything you asked for and you have not commented on any of it or attempted to disprove it and of course because it is not supportive of god the way you want it to be it cannot be validated by you in any way.”
I have no idea what you are talking about. You have offered me no meaningful resistance at all. You are much weaker, and argue from a much less tenable position, than you have ever imagined. Look at your avatar. Look at the cold, dark, soulless eyes of that emaciated creature. Observe how the only light in the chamber with him is an artificial light. Examine the frantic dementia expressed on his face. There is nothing natural. There is nothing alive. Everything in and of that image is cold and dead. It is completely devoid of spirit. Why would you choose such an avatar? We both know why.
“In fact I have probably done you harm by trying because now you will have to build a wall against all that I said to you. I should know better by now but I could not help myself.”
Please brother. I can do this with you until His Kingdom Comes. No harm will come of it. Not to me. Only good can come from conversations such as these. Neither of us will be left in worse condition than we were when we began. The only possible outcome is no outcome, or a good outcome. Please don’t worry about me, even if you are only condescending. Either way.
“It just hurts me so much to see a man as deluded as you are… and I was.”
This tactic of yours has effect only on the uninitiated. Go find a softer target. As it happens, your ammo is completely without effect in the direction it is here aimed. Or perhaps you should just try harder.
“…sad and scary, bigoted and racist…”
Time to cut a new record. Try out a charge of racism against me. I’ll just laugh in your face.
“But if there were a god…I would disrespect him in every way I could think of for all the evil wars he has/is created.”
There you go presuming to be in possession of the information and knowledge you would need in order to render such a judgment fairly. You don’t have the information and you are completely without the knowledge. You have all of the hate though.
“I gave you the “proof” that is every bit as potent as anything you have read or believe in.”
You did what? Perhaps you could refresh my memory. You don’t know what proof is. You don’t know what Truth is. You have offered me NOTHING of the kind you here attempt to delude yourself into thinking you have provided. I say ‘attempt to delude’ because I know for a fact that you do not believe what you have written here. If you actually DID believe it, it would mean that yours is so shallow a well that a person could see to the bottom without even leaning over the edge and looking down. Please stop kidding yourself. And stop using the word ‘proof’.
“Men deserve to be elevated no farther above life than any other thing that is alive.”
Mankind was created to be above all of the creation. The creation was made to be beneath him. Certain men have fallen farther than others, and have proceeded to go BACKWARDS in this regard. But mankind in general DOES deserve to be elevated above the creation, because that is the way the Creator intended it. YHWH has spoken on this point. And now so have you. It can come as no surprise that there is a 180 degree difference between His Word and your word.
“You have jumped hook line and sinker into a cult.”
Have I? Am I a follower or a leader in this cult? If a follower, where is my leader? If a leader, where are my disciples?
“And from what I can see will be a lost cause to your humanity believing that god is more important than peace and love.”
You know as much about peace and love as you do about Truth and proof. You don’t know what love is. You think love is unconditional niceness. You have no idea that love carries a sword.
“If your goal is to prove yourself superior to me in knowledge of god and religion that should be no problem because I am doing all I can to forget what I know about them both.”
Nothing I have was gathered to me of my own merit. Everything I have I was given. Therefore, I do not feel superior to you in any way; and if I did, I would be acting contrary to what is right and what is good. If I come across as over-eager to swat at some of your low-hanging fruit (I do not say that all of your fruit is low-hanging), then that would be a fault of mine and no asset. I am by no means superior to you.
“I don’t get why your posts don’t have a reply button. Maybe god is trying to protect you from this evil blasphemer… I should burn in hell for that! I your imagination I’m sure that I will.”
Nope. You just have to try harder to figure out the system on this board. It really is quite simple. Don’t worry yourself. Post your reply to me anywhere on the page. I shall always manage to find it. I’m really not that easily confused.
Meat man…you are a wonder of absolute self delusion gone wild. I would never attempt to get into that last post it would only feed into your insanity of man made imagery and man made god dogma and your mind invented analogies that are ever bit as good as any of the rest of the garbage found in man made fantasy stories of gods. Your one true YEHAA god is only one of hundreds that are professed by millions to be the one true god. All are correct because there are no gods at all. Only Spirit IS. And only Spirit will ever be. Until man shakes himself free from the craziness that you are suffering under and gets away from religion will he find his true Spirit and peace. I am comfortable were I am now free from the burden you are suffering under. I have no more to share with you because there are no books of Spirit to quote from. There is just peaceful coexistence with Spirit. So ramble on but I won’t be able to say any more than I already have.
@sk1951 who said…
“I would never attempt to get into that last post…..”
I say…..
I would and did get right into that post of Beef’s I learned many things about myself. Some not at all pleasant yet I increased my understanding and knowledge. Mr Supreme’s words are most often insightful, sometimes incite full, always thought out and invariably designed to help occasionally or often, as you will, by prodding but mostly by encouraging.
I read many of this gentleman’s posts and I often see him accused of preaching but I have never seen him do any such thing. Just like Mr Supreme contends I think you, sk1951, know the Way the Truth and the Life. Forget religion yet acknowledge it for the pain it has caused you. Trust in your ability to hear His Word as He spoke it. YHWH Elohim Host of Hosts speaks directly to you in many ways but no man can tell you what you hear lest they face your scorn and His scorn above all.
One final criticism Sir. You cede to Mr Supreme regarding Bible knowledge, if I may use that term, yet you then start to throw the Book at him. Who exactly is preaching?
“So ramble on but I won’t be able to say any more than I already have.”
Interesting choice of words, considering the level to which your writing has deteriorated; inversely commensurate with your increase in frustration level, I presume. The option is always at your disposal to refrain from further attacks on YHWH or His written Word. You will make quick work of ridding yourself of me by simply changing topics, or by knocking off the lies. If you continue to attack, and you do so without misrepresentations or fabrications, then I will leave you in what little peace there is to be had for you. Just no more lies and no more baseless attacks. That’s all I ask.
Otherwise, you can have me following you around here wherever you post. My words will always be plastered prominently right after yours.
I would recommend some serious Bible study in either case. You can read it because you should, or you can read it so that you’ll have some idea of what you’re talking about when you speak out against it.
Do as you will friend.
Here we are, very DEEP in the bowels of these trenches.
Figures I’d run into you here Mayhem.
It’s getting very dark over here. I hope you brought some light with you.
” Let your astrologers and your stargazers,
who foretell the future month by month, come to you, rise up, and save you-
they are like straw and the fire burns them,too.
They can’t even rescue themselves from the flames! ”
That’s from Isaiah-
one of those “old guys in the Bible”.
Your ramblings are circular and meaningless-
what makes you think that they are in any way unique or even coherent?
Anyone can say anything…
until it costs them something.
I have survived and overcome the
confusion you are spouting-
I hope you do the same.
If I had flattered you and said otherwise…
then you would have flattered me the same way in return.
Beware of flatterers,
in whatever form.
I can only assume by your rambling that you capitulate to the theory that all you need know is God and all questions will be answered. Well…what is the answer?
@anonymoustache…..
You speak of astronomy and I am concerned and puzzled. YHWH caused me to be born in the year of the dragon with the influence of wood. He also caused me to be born a cancerian.
I ask my friends and those I respect to read what is known of these traits and see if they apply to me. I have read them too of course but my opinion is irrelevant here.
My friends would say things like “Dead ringer Bro next question” so I perhaps need to be made to understand whereby astrology could be bad.
I never read a daily horoscope and never even allow one to be read to me which annoys the ladies no end let me tell you. I am content that my future is already known to YHWH. I am not trying to see into the future just trying to understand who I am in my insignificance.
How can this be bad as you imply. I seek enlightenment.
EXCEPT THE FACTS
DON’T LISTEN TO THE LIES
KNOW WHO YOU ARE!
START THERE. WHAT IS ON THE INSIDE, IS ON THE OUTSIDE. YOU ARE INSIDE THE FATHER. AND HE IS INSIDE OF YOU. LOOK UPON YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS EXAMINE IT UNDER A VERY BRIGHT LIGHT AND SET YOURSELF FREE FROM WHAT U HATE
THE TRUTH WILL ALWAYS BE THERE INSIDE OF YOU THE DIVINE.
There is spell check and cap lock. Please use them and try again.
“I think that when man created God in his image.”
Yes, it’s quite amazing this isn’t it. Do you know I was walking down the road today and I definitely saw and heard two inceredible things.
1) A dog being wagged by it’s tail and 2) In this store there was a clay pot claiming how he had made the potter. LOL
Kind of funny you talk about the unseen and then say man created God in his own image. Everything is created in God’s image. It’s all around you, and the eye is always watching. If you can’t see it, then you should look at yourself in the mirror and stop talking about things you don’t understand.
I’m sorry…I don’t mean to laugh but your comment was funny to me. Don’t talk about things I don’t understand? What else is there to talk about?
In response to the comment that I don’t get past the first line.
“To me: There are things seen and unseen.” Goes without saying that everyone has the same experience of reality, there are light frequencies our limited eyesight can’t detect. The same with our hearing, it is limited on the range of sound frequencies it can detect.
“The unseen things are ALL the GOOD things that have created/manifested what is seen.”. This sentence makes no sense, because physics law…. For every action, there is an equal AND opposite reaction. There is no such thing as good or bad, the same as there is no such thing as black and white, there are only shades of grey. Good and bad are 100% subjective.
“We are all spiritual creatures and strain to understand the unseen…or that which will never be understood. “. Have you read an up to date science magazine lately? And can you define your interpretation of ‘spiritual’. It has many meanings, in what context do you mean ‘spiritual’?
“We understand that things are manifested by our thought.” The only thing you can manifest with your thoughts is your own attitude. Other wise we are back to the ignorant dark age theory that mice can spontaneously manifest from thin air, in the presence of stored crops.
Plant life is not inert by any definition.
” Simply because man cannot imagine or explain is not reason enough to say “No…that power cannot exist…” Such as? If you mean gods and spirits, then no they don’t exist in the religious sense as independent thinking entities. But ‘Spirit’, as a totemic description of the nature of something else, you may have a point. For example, the suns spirit is as a gods because without it, no life on Earth would exist. The same thing applies to Earth and the Moon. Without all three, no life on Earth could exist. If they die, everything dies with them, our existence is subject to theirs.
“Love is one of the unseen…but how many of us understand it?” Love is an internal chemical reaction to a perceived, external stimulation. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, 100% subjective. Actually not that dissimilar to hate, but they are not opposites. The opposite to both is indifference.
“Men will never have peace until they are free. “Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest,”. Denis Diderot (5 October 1713 – 31 July 1784
Love that Denis Diderot quote.
I’m sorry you feel this exchange is adversarial. I do not feel that way. I will attempt to answer your questions as succinctly as I am capable at this time in my realization understanding. Science would call it “facts as we know them today.” Because there is no understanding it is very hard to extrapolate in words of science or facts to explain.
The unseen powers are a tough one to crack in understanding. It is the chicken and the egg theory. You are a man of pure logic and science so your understanding is that the unseen powers are under your control with chemicals in your brain. For me it is a combination of flesh, mind with Spirit. You simply cannot harness Spirit as you define IMHO. But without “life” there is no living and therefore no chemical process and that is the unseen power I am talking about. Truly I could go on and on and get nowhere with this thought.
These are things that have been talked about for 10,000 years. Men put many tags on them like devils or GOD or Spirits but what it is remains a mystery. I do prefer Spirit and that was the first word used by the Veda people and the first writings found in Egypt. With the advent of religion all this ancient knowledge and wisdom was eradicated. As you say there are many processes at work to create and sustain life but still…a mystery.
There are two forces in the Universe. The unseen and the seen. We are atoms of matter and one with the Universe of the seen. Eternal life in matter is one pool of atoms simply reborn over and over and scattered into what we call the Universe. Spirit is a force that exists everywhere, all at once and is in us just the same as it is everywhere else. It is identical in each of us, I like that. This power does not die when we die. It simply stays where it is as a part of the whole. Some feel Spirit is the engine of creation. I have sensed this at times.
When I say thought is first in creation, I mean that it is the first process in creating. Inspiration and imagination are truly the first, then thought to create. Where inspiration comes from at times is a mystery as I am sure you have experienced from time to time. Of course there is necessity and inventing that can also be a part of human creativity. But still…lots of thought and thinking necessitate to create.
What makes us an antenna for inspiration to come to us is a mystery. I am not religious nor do I believe in flying men in the sky or floating crystal and gold city’s in heaven that I must devote my life and money to. I do believe in Spirit powers simply because I have experienced them and attempt to live knowing my Spirit power. It is a strange sensation when my body is in harmony with Spirit. Peaceful and clear in thought and mind. It is still very hard for me to stay in sync with Spirit but keeping it in my mind and attempting to talk to it seems to be beneficial (even though I know it can’t talk). I know…sounds like a crazy person. In truth…who knows…maybe I am. Maybe everyone is and all the wars are simply an illusion of self-destruction when we kill others in the name of the metaphysical. Do we simply attempt to kill ourselves?
I am sorry I cannot better explain but there is no explanation only realization and experience. It is a deeper level of being. Of course it is easy to discount as insanity or crazy and for the most part that is my responses when I try to explain. I probably do more damage than good but I enjoy sharing. Every now and then I find someone on the same journey and that is fun. Of course you can deny Spirit its existence in you and the Universe but that would be a shame for you to miss out on the insights that come from Spirit. Our natural inquisitive spirituality is a clue to unlocking further study.
This gets even deeper when you look at image and projection. Biblically it was the “word” that created all and man is an “image” of God. But there are no words in Spirit because it is a power not a man. The ancients theorized that Spirit power projected creation. That would make the seen an image and the unseen reality. I know…don’t bust a nut trying to yell at me about that one. It sounded crazy to me too. You can call it delusion but the thing with a true delusion is that you will not even entertain anything other than the delusion as in radical religious belief. In that I am not deluded. I can accept most anything anyone has to share as long as it is open minded and thoughtful. There are many levels of learning and they must be transcended as well as fact finding.
One good thing with Spirit is that it is a benign study and does not cause wars or ask for money or anything at all. It is simply yet another study amongst all the interesting studies. Men of science LOOK for the power of Spirit and life but it can’t be found by looking. It is a power that is realized and accepted to gain an insight of its being. Could this path someday lead to a true understanding? Anything is possible. Spirit does not change you, shape or mold you and it has no morality or need of reverence. It is simply added to your powers of perception and being. It helps make your life more livable. And it can make you write stupid letters like this one!!!! LOL. I have to keep a note pad by my bed to trap things that come to me in the night and I have learned to scribble things in the dark. I keep a pad in my car to attempt to trap some of the inspirations that come to me out of nowhere. Trying to remember what I wanted to remember does not work with true enlightenment. It is as fleeting as the wind. It takes time for it to absorb and become a part of you. These writing exercises help me to come to a better acceptance and clearer meaning of Spirit in my life.
I am working on a paper about Spirit that goes deeper into details as to how I think Spirit works in our lives and the Universe. It is Extremely hard writing and I don’t know when it will be done enough for me to try and post. When I read it, it simply seems none senseical (like that word? LOL) so what would be the point in posting it? I would simply irritate more people like I have you!!! That was not my intent. I’m off to the gym and the real world now to move some heavy atoms. Thanks for this opportunity to share with you. Sk1951
http://sk1951.wordpress.com/2012/12/28/me-dreaming-of-god-god-dreaming-of-me/
for sk1951
You say, “But then most of what I write about is that which can’t be understood so this would not be estranged or weird really.”
One of the points of writing anything is to be understood. At least for the majority. Perhaps if more people new what you were talking about, then you could say that “you made sense.” Or maybe you don’t care that you don’t make sense.
I assume you are of religious faith so let me put it to you biblically. Philippians 4:7
And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall guard your hearts and your thoughts in Christ Jesus.
This is a religious view that twisted Spirit into being a God. Genesis 7:22
all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life.
This was the way it all started. Man created gods from the Spirit powers he saw and felt around him.
I think maybe that will be a problem for you.
You assume too much.
I think maybe also you assume you know what you’re talking about
From my point of view…it is true, that many individuals learn best through adversity. The adverse situation generally forces individuals to learn something of value in dealing with that adversity. Because of this, many individuals think you have to suffer to gain anything of value, and many individuals think you have to suffer in order to rise spiritually.
There are three paths to spiritual development: the path of suffering, the path of service and the path of alchemy, or spiritual salvation. The path of suffering is the slowest way to grow spiritually. The path of service is faster: as you give service to others, you become more compassionate to those whom you serve, and you also become resourceful in your way of serving. The path of alchemy, or salvation is that which works in levels of consciousness wherein one reaches a new insight, a new understanding, a new realization, a new spiritual experience by the effort of their own surrender to higher forces, or by giving themselves to spiritual energies, to the more Divine Forces, in such a way that they grasp or learn or have sudden insight through their surrender.
For many this is a senseless world, a world that they cannot figure out, that they cannot understand. They see only death and pain and destruction, upheaval and chaos around them, and because they are putting their consciousness into the world beyond them, it is therefore senseless. When one understands the power that one has as a creator being, as a spiritual aspect of soul having a physical experience in harmony with one’s own intention and in coordination with the divine will of the Essence of God Itself, then one may start to change the circumstances of their life.
They may choose to create in the reality of their life a more harmonious life that is flowing towards Ascension and unification with the Divine, with Spirit once again. This unification comes to all at the conclusion of a physical life. You are all spiritual beings having physical experiences and not the other way around. You are not physical beings wondering if they are spiritual or have a spiritual element, subscribing to physicality as the only truth and reality and being at the effect and cause of a collective consciousness that is not in spiritual harmony and union.
It is important not to judge nor to deny one self, not to compare one self with others, but to love self, to love others above self and to communicate with one another as though you were addressing gods, for indeed, within each of you there is the Divine Force. Understand that those who wish to assume that Christ and God and Divine Forces are above themselves are also inclined to assume that they are progressing up the spiritual path toward these Divine Forces and that others are far below them, and these individuals tend to point to those below themselves and say that they are sinners, they are in error, they are of the Devil. Those individuals who enjoy thinking that they have the only path, the only answers; those individuals are only involved in furthering their own ego trips, their own self-interest, their own lust for power through their excuse that they are claiming to be the chosen ones of the only God, the only truth.
And so, it is the individual who has inner discipline and who does not require external controls for guidance in his or her life that tends to be the more spiritual evolved, and tends to have a sense of tolerance for others, and less of a desire to condemn, to point fingers, to express hostility when someone else doesn’t obey the rules as dictated by the system, the regimen, the order. Those who do not have inner discipline tend to be the ones who are most adamant about advocating controls on others and these individuals tend to be less spiritual evolved
An individual who is not interested in soul growth or spiritual growth for himself would not likewise have much interest in helping others to develop their spiritual or soul growth, and therefore, rather than appreciating the finer things in life, such an individual would enjoy crude things, such as getting friends to fight with each other, or promoting fights or violence or belittling friends, insulting or hurting the self-image of others.
A more spiritual inclined person would encourage those who are discouraged, assist those who need to be uplifted, or need encouragement to lift themselves, and promote spiritual concepts and ideas that can be beneficial for others. That such an action of spiritual promotion would clearly suggest an individual who is spiritually evolving.
It is the point of physical life to attain spiritual awareness, to attain enlightenment.
With respect….to all.
Light
You were doing so well until you twisted Spirit up with the holy divine and god stuff. You need go nowhere or ascend or become sinful or ask forgiveness or do anything that religion teaches. Spirit is in all of us just the same. Spirit is in the Universe as it is in us all. You only need to look inward to find it. The Spirit in you is in contact with Universal intelligence. Find what is in you…it is funny really. All the glorious on high rhetoric is to sell books and religion and to elevate the individual or religion. As you say adversity does get some of us there, as it has helped me many times, painfully so. But attraction to enlightenment is the best way as you kinda said. Willingly seek to become whole with it and it with you. After that it is simply a matter of allowing Spirit to work within you growing stronger every day. Your ability to realize more and more is a growing thing. It takes little time to learn that you are only part of a whole without your Spirit awareness and realization. There have been times I had to turn away because the learning was too much…to powerful for me to take any more. The visions of world reality and man too much for me. But in a time, I would settle and come back for more. It is a long path for any man and a joy to find those on it. Thank you for sharing your beautiful words. I hope we find each other again with more crucible purified enlightened wisdom to share. They say there will come a time when words will finally fail altogether. What a vision to simply look at each other in the knowing. I have come a long way but I have so much farther to go. But I take comfort now in knowing it is just a journey to enjoy and not get in a rush about it. As Beef man said…there are many good things written in the bible but you really have to pick and choose carefully because that book so easily deceives and deludes. I finally had to just pitch mine out the window because it is simply too dangerous for me to read and study anymore. Just were I am at today.
“As Beef man said…there are many good things written in the bible but you really have to pick and choose carefully because that book so easily deceives and deludes.”
I will thank you to NEVER speak for me like this again. Please DO NOT invent words and attribute them to me.
To even INSINUATE that I have ever said anything of the kind is disingenuous in the extreme.
You remember when you said honesty was important to you? Here is what you said, and I will do you the courtesy of quoting your actual words. You wrote:
“Yes…honesty is paramount to me.”
I took your meaning to be that honesty is of paramount IMPORTANCE to you.
You have an unusual way of showing it.
Meat man: I actually lost some sleep over you. I was thinking back to a time when I was like you. The process of religiosity dogma delusion. I spent half my life self-deluding. It is for people like you and I that I write and produce literature for the “religiously abused”. You are in the anger phase of your delusional belief. The anger comes from the confusion that is deep within you. On the surface you profess strongly an “all-powerful knowing” and certainty of your infallible God and the holly Book of Gods infallible words. But inside this is not true. Does the solder truly take joy in beheading or impaling his brother over religiosity and mythology? The church does the same thing promoting its religiosity with unthinkable cruelty and fear mongering. The bible is simply a book written for the sole purpose of power and control. Sure it has some good things but anyone with a basic moral compass understands the 10 commandments. All the rest is cannon law that supports religion. It is about what a Christian god is and how you are to believe and reverence and give your life completely and totally to god and in so…to the church. But it is not god that you are truly giving your life to as you “believe”…it is the religion and the church. You say you are not religious…or support any religion that is a huge fight in itself. This is an even worst place to be because you are lost on your own but still believing all the dogma. You don’t have the little fortresses and singing brain washed congregations to support you. Your fears have turned to anger and you seek out places and people to assert it on. The least little thing will set you off, like that little benign comment that you find good in the bible. You’re kidding me right? Just for that you would like to strangle me. This is the danger I am writing about. The biblical teaching and brain washing of Jihad…the Christian war against normal man. You are the Borg. Resistance is futile to your god supreme. Resistance is not futile and if you can let that little spark of intellectual wisdom (the enemy of god and rightly so) that is still burning in you to grow you will see the light to crawl your way out. It takes many years do heal from a religious delusion as any cult survivor will attest. The stages are filled with anger and pain, sorrow and tears. The hardest part learning to love yourself again, maybe for the first time. But in the end you will discover a peace you have never known before. The Bible promises all these things but can never deliver them. Once you figure out you have been misled you will begin to seek real truth. When that day comes…think back to me and feel the pain that I also suffered just the same as you.
Mr. SK,
I’m glad to see that our conversation has lingered with you, no matter the reason. These issues with which wrestle are perhaps the most substantive and consequential issues men can discuss. The gravity of these matters is tremendous. Therefore it is incumbent upon us both to approach this conversation with prudence and with consideration.
I would rather not enter into this consideration, on a personal level. What I mean by that is that I consider myself to be of no account. I am not important to our conversation. But because of what you have written above, I feel compelled to call to attention one or two things about the man with whom you are in dialogue presently.
I don’t come from religion. I come from a secular background. I have no Church background at all. I have come to this, my present location along the journey (though certainly not at the journey’s destination) after a search into the behind-the-scenes machinations of the ruling powers of this world. I wanted to find out why things are the way they are. Many years ago, I began to read voraciously and to study intensively. Many of us have similar stories to tell. But along my way, I discovered things which led me in a direction I was not intentionally headed in: Along the way I was led into a study of the Scriptures. At the time that my examination into the Scriptures began, I was not a believer in the Elohim of the Bible. I have come to be so because of the Truth I have found and have experienced along the way; as well as because of my encounters and interaction with DOZENS of brothers and sisters who were at similar places along the same paths that I myself was traveling at the time. I have been spoken to – not in any conventional sense of ‘God told me so’ – but rather in much more subtle ways. I don’t claim any unique connection with the Spirit, above and beyond what all of us have (or could have). I only claim that I have been allowed to become open to the message. I have therefore received a message. No one brought me to my present position. There is no man, no group of men, and no institution upon which to lay the credit (or the discredit, depending upon one’s perspective) for the direction my journey has taken me in.
You wrote:
“Your fears have turned to anger and you seek out places and people to assert it on.”
Brother, nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, the opposite is true. And since it is YOU sir, who are one of the men most directly responsible for posting what I consider to be heinous and offensive material, the stated purpose of which is to excoriate and to discredit YHWH and the Scriptures, then in actual fact it is YOU who has sought out the places and the people upon which to assert YOUR anger – an anger which I am well aware you try to camouflage and the existence of which you deny vociferously. You feel that your supposed lack of anger, or your supposed control over anger, provides you with certain credentials.
I am not the one with a blog, sir. Moreover, I do not post articles and essays to this website. At first I was only a casual reader of some of the articles here. Then I became interested in the commentary. It was reading all of the many articles and comments like yours which moved me along decisively in my decision to register a name and an avatar, and to begin posting some reasoned resistance to much of what I see going uncontested on these boards. Sadly, the brothers and sisters who do (when they do) offer you and your fellow haters of YHWH and the Scriptures any resistance at all, have not been doing a very good job in my estimation. This is partly due to the fact that they don’t know the Scriptures as well as they should. Commenters like you and Pix have an ability to out-fox many of the other posters here with your above-average intellects and your command of trivial details. What you lack in honesty and integrity, you make up for with source material from your general and special knowledge funds. It makes no difference to any of you whether or not that referenced material impinges upon your slated topics in actual fact; you simply claim that it does, dazzle your opponents with quotation, citation and example, and then move along to the next commenter or article while claiming intellectual victory and superiority over your supposedly vanquished foes. I have no intention to oblige you so. I plan on making your hitherto effectually unopposed existences on this website a little more challenging for you. I intend to hold you to account for your words, and to offer a sound understanding of the Scriptures as my main defense against the lies and the misrepresentations which you and your lot habitually cast against the Bible.
“The least little thing will set you off, like that little benign comment that you find good in the bible.”
You do not get to lie to commenters and tell them that I said something which is the exact opposite of everything I have ever said here, and then pretend that your actions are either ‘benign’ or ‘little’. Shame on you sir. You lied to that other commenter and your lie was not a little lie. You put words in my mouth which are diametrically opposed to my entire message. And as if that weren’t bad enough, now you have categorized your deplorable deed as ‘little’ and ‘benign’. That means one of two things: Either you are not very intelligent, or you are a very dishonest person at your core. I don’t consider you to be especially feeble-minded, so that means your fundamental honesty has been found wanting.
“You’re kidding me right? Just for that you would like to strangle me(?)”
I give you my word as a man that I bear you no such ill will. If my anger gets the better of me at times, that’s only because I have an inadequate grasp on my passions and my tongue. It means I’m weak. I recover quickly. No one wants to hurt you. Rather the opposite.
“You are the Borg. Resistance is futile to your god supreme.”
Well – I suppose I can understand why you would have reached such a conclusion in this instance. I am a man of principle and I can certainly be very stubborn at times. But I recall reading a quote made by you on another comment thread (in fact, I shall retrieve it and post it). You wrote:
“I was a Minister. There is nothing I do not know about God Jesus and the bible.”
Well now. In the face of such world-renowned arrogance and self-delusion as that…
…I suppose resistance IS futile. Reality may be equally futile to a man who has the staggering audacity to even THINK such a thing about himself, let alone to express such a sentiment publicly. If you are at all concerned about one of us, sir…
..it should definitely not be me.
Darn light. I went to your site and there were no stories there. Do you have a blog? I have one I have been playing with. http://sk1951.wordpress.com/
Oh my giddy aunt…………………….I’ll need coffee.
I ask everyone to consider…..
How is it that the secular and the theists want all the believers dead but the followers of the Way the Truth and the Life just wish peace love and mungbeans for everyone.
Why so afraid of a bunch of peaced out tree hugging hippies, the gentle folk as far as I can make out, the interesting folk, the witty folk, the inquisitive folk, the endearing folk, the courteous folk, the sharing and caring folk etc etc etc.
I just can’t figure some things but surely we aren’t that scary that we gots ta be exterminated. We do make quite good worker bees and are content with one Good book and a half decent life style.
Middle: The religious believe that unless you accept god and spend your life in worship than you need to be killed. You can’t just live your life mind your business in the godverse.
This is why i recommend you turn from religion and seek truth. Truth is in The Inspired Word just as knowledge and wisdom is to be found within IT.
I think it very fortunate that Mr Supreme has the patience that he does.
Many people here will have seen my style of turning opponents words back upon themselves and perhaps noted that I have been given a very perceptive eye for vulnerability.
Imagine I had Beef’s knowledge of doctrine. Messy.
ps I just finished my first 24 hr B4IN ban just after lunch US time today. I found there are indeed limits to the type of language employed on these blogs. The administrators did make it very clear to me that they love us to use the spam button as a tool to moderate coarse language and not just spam. Respect.
Sorry…was that post directed to this string? I don’t get it.
Belief…is simply out of control ego based on your imagination. If you believe you “won” it only matters to you. When in fact you may have been totally wrong and people simply give up on you. You say you are impressed with Beef. For me it is sad that someone has spent so much time learning a fallacy of man invented “ideology.” He obviously has studied the OT and NT or The buybull as I call it. This book of fantasy is a plagiarized book of contradictions, the goal of which was to destroy all other religions and beliefs to create the NEW Unification Church. The Old Testament was plagiarized from the Torah and the NT was made of whole cloth. NONE OF IT is worth a second of my time but just for fun I will point out a few of the more ridiculous innuendo that Beef feels is so important although I could write a 1000 page book on all the thievery found in the “Christian” buybull.
1. His precious Yahweh. This word is taken from the Torah. Yahweh (יהוה) (ya•’we) is the primary Hebrew name of God. The Hebrew God was invented for the salvation of Israel. This Gods chosen people?: The Israelites. Christians have no God though they claim with a lie made of whole cloth that the Constantine buybull New Testament gave them access to this God with a new man god invention. Yahweh is not a Christian god.
2. Yahusha: Hebrew for Messiah. Beef did not bring this “Christian” God up but it is used as a mistranslation again to usurp the Hebrew belief of the coming Lord. Constantine invented a new god man Jesus to steal away the coming Lord of the Hebrew. Then when the Hebrew would not believe in the new god they invented they demonized all Jews for blasphemy as they did the wonderful Pagan people with the term of “Heathen” this simply meaning people that would not accept the new Christian religion. Yahusha does not mean Jesus.
3. Beef says he is not religious but spouts the 10 commandments. The first 3 are simply the most important of the 10 and they are the law of praise and worship. This being the worst of all “sin” the sin against god…not against man. Can’t get much more religious than that!
4. AMEN: I love this one. Christians have been told that Amen is just a way of closing and reverencing their Christian invented Gods. They don’t even realize that in their own plagiarized buybull that Amen is a God and that God Yahusha gave him the power over the man, earth and all of creation. This the reason prayer was ended long before Christianity with AMEN AMEN!
God championed Lord AMEN to rule over the Universe:
Revelations 3: 14 These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. 21 To the one who is victorious, I [AMEN] will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father [Yahweh] on his throne.
Nehemiah 8: 6 Ezra praised the LORD, the great God [AMEN]; and all the people lifted their hands and responded, “Amen! Amen!” Then they bowed down and worshiped the LORD with their faces to the ground.
5. THE ELOHIM: I saved the best for last. Beef talks about his Christian Elohim…yet another stolen word from the Hebrew. The Unification Church stole every word from every religion and sect and claim they mean the Christian God. This word means “many or multiple Gods.” Once again from Beefs book of lies:
6. Genesis
1:26 “Let “us” make Man in “our” image, after “our” likeness”
7. Genesis 2:7: And the Lord God [chief god] formed man of blood and the red clay of the ground…
8. Genesis 3:22-23 22Then the [chief] LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever “– 23therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken.…
Genesis
1:6 “Let “us” make Man in “our” image, after “our” likeness”
10. Sumerian text:
And Elohim [multiple gods] said: “Let us make Man in our image, after our likeness.”
11. [Elohim WAS plural for Gods not singular as modern Christians “believe”.]
12. How could a God who has no corporal body and who is universally alone say that? Obviously…He would not. The verse does not say “God created man” and in fact says that man was “made” by gods and not created. We have been fooled and deluded with the truth right in front of our eyes.
13. An old Babylonian text tells of the creation of man by the mother goddess. It says,
14. Thou art the mother-womb,
The one who creates mankind.
Create, then, Lulu (savage, first man) and let him bear the yoke!
The yoke he shall bear,
The work of god man shall bear!
Let one god be slain,
And let the gods be purified by immersion
In his flesh and his blood.
Let Nintu mix clay,
God and Man,
Let them together be smeared with clay (ANET, 99-100).
15. God, Goddess and gods…what are they? The bible is written about gods of the earth, those of the seen Universe that hand down rules for their man made biological invention. The Sumerians called the maker of man ENKI (the creator of the human race). Earth gods are demanding, greedy, jealous and possessive…they were gold seekers. The Old Testament if filled with a history of these gods at war with each other over supremacy. These gods created man (LULU) as a tool of labor. (Citation below)
16. GOD: when used to example the unseen powers of the Universe…the creator of all…is not well known but there can be found reference to a POWER called God in the early Egyptian, Indian India (Hindu) and Vedic writings. In the beginning man as we know him was not created he was made.
17. Religions of the Old Testament study and worship earth gods not a Universal God.
This is such a tiny little scrap of what I have studied and learned over 63 years. The bottom line is that NO!!! I do not respect Beef or anyone that can only quote from a modern day plagiarized book of lies that was created by men to dominate and control for power and profit all men gods religions the world and even the Universe itself…even in an imaginary way!!!!
This IS Truth. It is your choice to believe in lies or leave belief and follow Truth. I was ill for a time…but I’m back. Enki and Lord Amen made me better! LOL
What possible purpose could you have in mind by resurrecting this conversation now, after more than a year and a half? Who are YOU trying to impress? Who are you hoping to address? Just who are you talking to, since any sane operator would be justified in assuming that the original participants are no longer anywhere near this vicinity? It just so happens that I am here, so I will answer you.
You wrote:
“The Old Testament was plagiarized from the Torah”
This is a perfect example of how little you know about your chosen topic. The TORAH is the first five books of the Bible. The TORAH IS the ‘Pentateuch’. This is the kind of mistake ONLY someone who knows next to nothing about the Bible would ever make. And in case I’m not being clear enough – YOU know next to nothing about the Bible. You should stop commenting and writing about material you are wholly unfamiliar with. It only makes you look like a fool. Continuing:
“…and the NT was made of whole cloth.”
As in not plagiarized from anything? Well, which is it? Either the New Testament was plagiarized, or it was INVENTED out of whole cloth. It cannot be both. You contradict yourself, because you have no idea what you’re talking about.
“I could write a 1000 page book on all the thievery found in the “Christian” buybull.”
There will be no need for any 1000 page books when I WILL GIVE YOU ten thousand dollars if you can prove even ONE single example of plagiarism, or as you say, ‘THIEVERY’, found ANYWHERE in the Bible. That was me just calling you a liar. I’ll do it now the second time: You are a liar. One example liar, and ten thousand is yours. And because you’re not just a liar, but also a fool, I feel compelled to explain to you that, in order to prove the charge of plagiarism, you need to introduce evidence that is OLDER than the material you seek to convict. I do hope you understand that. Good luck.
“1. His precious Yahweh. This word is taken from the Torah. Yahweh (יהוה) (ya•’we) is the primary Hebrew name of God.”
See above. Oh how you mercilessly advertise the reality of your incompetence. You humiliate yourself. The problem is, you lack the knowledge and the intelligence to rightly perceive this for the fact that it is. Not to worry; I’m here to help you in that regard.
“Yahweh is not a Christian god.”
Every time you see the word ‘LORD’ in the Old Testament, this is a DIRECT translation into English from the Hebrew Yod Hey Vav Hey. YHWH (Yahweh) is the God of the Old and the New Testament.
“2. Yahusha: Hebrew for Messiah.”
That’s it. I will not even pay you the compliment of reading the remainder of your utterly useless post. You are the least informed commenter I have ever read on this, a website literally OVERFLOWING with uninformed commenters. ‘Yahusha’ is Hebrew for ‘Messiah’? In whose lexicon? In whose concordance? ‘MOSHIACH’ is Hebrew for ‘Messiah’. ‘Yeshua’ is Hebrew for ‘salvation’. ‘Yahusha’ would nearly approximate to ‘YAH is our Deliverer’. Yah is YHWH.
You have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Nothing you say is true. That means nothing you have to say is worth reading or hearing. Most opponents of the Bible at least have the common courtesy to have EARNED an opinion and have managed to gather together a few pertinent and worthwhile facts. You have come to the table empty handed. That is, perhaps, why you are singing your nonsense into a hall which has been vacant for more than a year and a half. Too bad someone just happened to be walking by and hear the echo.
(Mayhem will probably be stopping in shortly. I’ll do what I can to encourage his presence, since your above, outrageously inane posting was actually addressed to him.)
In your own way you just validated everything I said. Thanks.
Pleasure to have been of assistance.
Now back away from the keyboard before you hurt yourself.
Thinking and debating just isn’t your thing.
Maybe you should try ice skating.
Indeed! Not much that I need to add up I’ll read this tonight and see what all the fuss is about.
I wrote another one just for you sweet cheeks since you got befuddled on the last one. You may have a better time picking on this one.
http://sk1951.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/satire-the-bible-teaches-us-to-glorify-liars-and-hate-truth-tellers/
I’ve re – read the entire thread and would add my support for the comments of my favourite atheist, Pix: it is definitely possible to discuss abstract concepts with clarity. Defending your waffling, sk1951, only made It worse, in my opinion.
Now then, sk1951, what’s up with claiming false victories? Only in your own mind have you won this debate and lying to yourself is pitiful, don’t you know?
Anyway: you said…
“Belief… blah blah blah… LOL”
…and I say that that was 80% cut-n-paste. The give away is the missing citation that was promised. You’re an Alinsky-ite as well as a Sitchin-ist aren’t you?
And just out of curiosity…
who’s ‘sweet cheeks’?
Would that be me, or Mayhem?
Inquiring minds want to know.
To my gathering critics:
Everything I post I wrote or I use citation. Since this is all my perceptions there is no citations. The buybull stuff speaks for itself. I do not expect my works to alter anyone. It is all just entertainment to me. I no longer use belief or opinion because they are meaningless imaginary judgements based on prejudice or ego. If based on fact they would be knowing not belief or opinion. But the majority of people enjoy belief creating their own illusionary reality.
Since society still runs on antiquated superstition and belief system…when it comes to belief there are two basic forms. Those that are founded on proof and fact that I call reality or Truth. And those that are unfounded, unprovable, even disregarding of actually proof to the contrary, this I call fantasy or imaginary reality. But duality exists in everything so it is important to study everything from its two sides. If you have found only one side you have work to do to come to full realization of any subject matter.
I have realized that there are two realities people depend on. One is seen and the other unseen. The unseen is being explored with quantum and single partial double slit experiments. Science has a big bang theory that reduces the amount of matter to a smaller amount each year now at a golf ball from a basketball…ludicrous theory based on the out dated gravity theory. They just can’t make it to NOTHING. Nothing is what I like to call Truth or the power of creation because their is no name for it yet. I simply call it Truth.
When it comes to dealing with people of belief Carl said it best. Carl Sagan: “It is impossible to talk to a believer because his need to believe means more than his need for the truth.”
I coined this quote:
Ignorance and stupidity makes anything possible. Sk1951
These are truly must see vids on the new emerging science:
Holographic Universe cut to double slit @ 24: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMBt_yfGKpU&list=PLMR6UUHrqA3c8vDkkTdpYFRirCaQyxLly&index=19
The Primer Field also has a double split experiment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EPlyiW-xGI You may have to reset the vid.
And this is truly amazing theory that displaces gravity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AUA7XS0TvA
But for this paper I apply this principal.
Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes. – Carl Jung
This is my work on the imposable, unprovable, unimaginably, that no one is capable of explaining or writing about…but I do enjoy trying and I like this work. I think I am very close to what truly IS Truth. Enjoy the wonder of the inner-verse: http://wp.me/p11W3f-nD
Okay sk1951 I’ll bite. Actual proof that the Bible is all made up. What you’ve offered, so far, doesn’t cut the mustard. Do you have anything else? There could be a fair chunk of change in it for you. The challenge is there for everyone to see.
@Carl Sagan… whose truth? @Carl Jung… right on.
Come now sk1951: Philosophy? Weak; you said “proof” and you give us philoasophy!
I love this string. It shows how confused people are. “Proof” is subjective, conceptual, subject to change, intrinsically flawed and a human invented concept. Their truly is no PROOF in the universe. There is the mind of intellect and the mind of imagination. Proof is what you want to make of it…like belief. Like beauty it is in the eyes of the beholder. Knowing and understanding cannot exist. There can be a current level but not an all inclusive knowing or understanding. So they also are simply imagination. Before anyone can critically analyze themselves or the world a grasp of what imagination is and how it works is paramount. Sadly few realize this. From human conception to today, man has lived in a superstition imaginary fantasy of belief…believing what he believes is true reality. This has empirically shown to be a horrible existence for man kind and has produced the worst inhumanities ever known. I do not see this changing in the near or possibly distant future or maybe never; because the powers that be have learned to capitalize on mans inability to see reality. Religion and governments work feverishly to promote superstition, faiths, religion and mythological fantasy or delusional phylogenetic ignorance because it makes the populations easy to manipulate. Amazingly, it is those that profess to be the smartest and wisest that fall victim to their own ego and personally invented belief insanity. Belief, knowing and understanding are a quicksand trap to perpetual stupidity.
Rod Stirling: Science fiction and fantasy are two different things. Science fiction makes the improbable possible and fantasy makes the imposable probable.
You sound reasonably intelligent, sk1951, so you might be able to appreciate my disappointment. You argue proof in absolute terms then when you are called on it you go all airy fairy and start talking in terms of subjective conceptualizing.
On what planet does this represent robust debate? You can’t have it both ways, sk1951, and i’m going to accept that you have nothing, or less than nothing, and you merely wish to shout into a vacuum to get your jollies.
It’s a crying shame but no surprise.
I can only assume that you do not understand my answers to your questions. Expectations are a serious issue. You hope that I can prove for you things that you WANT proven? That is a ridiculous assertion to require of me or any one. I did my best…but I assume you want me to prove that imaginary superstition based beliefs are true and real and want me to provide proof that they are real for you? Yes they are real…and the symptoms/results of them are everywhere in blood and guts war and gore. As with creation itself…we can’t know or see it but life tells us it is also real. the proof is in life itself. I’m doing all I can to help you but you need to open your mind at least a little bit to grasp the concept and realize the truth.
You may assume all you want but you’re being an Alinsky-ite all the same. I’m not demanding you to prove anything for me. I’m asking for the proof that you boasted of. Do you know the difference between evidence and proof? You should, it’s important.
Do you get that? probably not. Now stop being so airy fairy and say what you really mean so i can get down to what i do and that’s prodding at the imbeciles and laughing at the dumb arse things they say.
It is sad that you do not understand the other side of what is considered reality. You live in the world of imagined reality which is imagination. I can do no more for you. Perhaps if you read again what I have so diligently posted for you you may extrapolate a bit of what true reality is. But sadly I don’t believe your ego will allow it. Good luck with your proof finding…you will soon find that there is no proof…of anything. Or at least I hope that you will.
Yeah, Mayhem.
Yf ye swonken fair well, then fortunayte ye may ynough for to fynden…
…the absolute meaninglessness of nothingness.
Jellyfish are possessed of stouter substance than this SK soupy ooze.
SK, I hope for your sake that you are single and that you do not daily traumatize some poor woman to tears with the same feeble and formless flocculence that you herein above have deployed to assault your fellows. You wouldn’t want that kind of blight on your escutcheon. Did you resist at first, or did you gleefully succumb to this most virulent strain of psychical emasculation right out of the gate? That you’ve been enticed to make bare your own imaginary bodkin and lay it across your own imaginary testicles, is clear. And I wonder about the blood. But for your insipid emptiness, there may indeed have been none.
I derive little pleasure from launching such callousness at you, SK. But by this point I’ve been subjected to so much of your gelatinous flatulence that I have simply lost the will anymore to withhold the bile you’ve induced within me, and continue to suppress its expression. You’ve made yourself into a capon, man. What’s more, you flaunt the fact. You brandish it as if it were some token worthy of honor. And I can’t help suspecting you’ve spent a good deal of time and energy accomplishing the disgraceful deed, given the thoroughness with which you’ve denatured your very being.
If in my travels I ever encounter a more stunning specimen of hopelessness, I’ll be sure to drop you a line.
It’s a small immature insignificant mind that chooses to attempt personal elevation with name calling and slander. It is an even smaller immature mind that responds to it.
The world is ever mired in antiquated superstition of imaginary beliefs.
Rod Stirling: Science fiction and fantasy are two different things. Science fiction makes the improbable possible and fantasy makes the imposable probable.
Ignorance and stupidity makes anything possible. Sk1951
It is about belief. This is the reason I believe in nothing. Some believe they have the right to hate and kill because of a belief in god. Some feel justified to rape because of clothing or rejection or (?). Belief is imaginary and is our imagination being converted into an imagined personal reality. Imaginary reality or mythological reality is an oxymoron. Imaginary justifications. Gods and religion are not the real problem. It is the results of belief that needs to be the study of world and social issues. Belief has empirically proven itself to be the worst most deadly invention of mankind. What do you believe? What do any of us believe? We need a new science into belief to expose it for the deadly dangers it creates.
“A true spiritual guide must patiently wait for the question before giving the answer…” Sk1951
Enjoy my incites on Genesis: http://sk1951.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/satire-the-bible-teaches-us-to-glorify-liars-and-hate-truth-tellers/
Quoting SK, from the preface to his response to my castigating analysis:
“It is an even smaller immature mind that responds to it.”
Who says you can’t find honesty on Before It’s News.
After which, SK proceeds to quote…
…himself.
Thus making SK only the SECOND inglorious simpleton at BIN to publicly perpetrate such shameless self-promotion…
…”Doctor” Turi being the aforementioned first.
Good job SK.
You really should have left this a dead link. Lo, and behold the lengths to which you endeavor to glorify yourself, managing only in the end to embarrass yourself, as usual. It’s all almost entertainment enough to make it a worthwhile read. At least there’s that. Pity you can’t see the reality of the situation for what it is — you refusing to admit the reality of reality and all. Who knows. Maybe you’re right after all. Maybe we’ll learn in the end that the monsters pursuing you only have imaginary teeth. But SK… whether the monsters and their teeth are real or not, I myself can see them just fine — even if you can’t see them at all, or only admit of their existence in your imagination.
Best of luck to you, sir. And sweet dreams.
Your friendly neighborhood IGNIS FATUUS…
…signing off.
[end of transmission]
Proverbs 15:12 Scoffers do not like to be rebuked; they will not go to the wise.
The Universe is to constrictive because Truth is everything that is NOT the seen Universe.
This the power of what I call Nothing; that is the creator of all things. Duality of the seen, the unseen and of the mind of man. Man cannot find his other mind or the unseen Universe. He seeks for understanding not for Truth. He will NEVER FIND IT.
I speak only of power not of man invented gods. I share the two minds of man. Man has evolved in his cave man imaginary mind and believes it to be reality. He has not found his mind of Creation or true logic and Truth.
“My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race.” -Bertrand Russell
Words of Truth do not make sense. Words are for the mind of imagination. The mind of Truth needs no words and in fact does not have any. The imaginary mind seeks for understanding and knowing. Truth has only realization and acceptance. The imaginary mind creates belief. Truth does not know belief. Words will not take you to Truth.
Belief is imaginary. Truth cannot be found in imagination.
There is no path to Truth. Paths lead away from Truth. When you realize THE One and only Truth; this that is within; this is when you will realize the Creator of life and all things. Words are not of Truth. Inspiration is of Truth.
Conciseness is the language of Truth. Truth will not be found in books or words. No one can help you. You must come to these things on your own.
There is the Truth of the unseen Universe that is only ONE Truth. This takes the logic and reasoning of the intellectual mind to realize and accept. Then you have the Truth of man which is at its best conceptual imaginary insanity.
Belief is the enemy of mankind. It has empirically proven itself to be the most horrific of all man’s creations.
Man has evolved in his imaginary mind. This is the mind of the immature child. Belief freeze the mind in a state of immaturity. Until man comes out of his caves of imagination and beliefs; the world will continue to exist in the imaginary insanity of only one mind of fantasy.
These are words. And words will never create an understanding because knowing and understanding do not exist in the Universal mind of Truth that is creation and life.
Even these hidden words tell of Truth that is within. “If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you.”
These words were attributed to Jesus. These were not words of belief found outside of you.
If you are on a path, you need to get off of it. It leads to deeper delusion and imaginary insanity. These are words of Truth not of belief. sk1951
Now that’s down right unfair, of you sk1951, i’ve read every word of this thrice (at least) don’t make me read it again. I mean to say: your parts are all dribbling nonsense that lack the traction required for interest. But i’ll play your silly game you self-ist you. Bump!
… and can i be “sweetcheeks”?
You should enjoy this one. https://sk1951.wordpress.com/2014/07/17/what-truth-is-not/
This was a truly great string. I wonder if you are still stuck in your world of imagination?
His Gutlessness strikes again.
Why do you suppose it is that your nemesis just happens to be passing by each and every time you post another of your pointless jabs at a contender who left you legless FIVE MONTHS AGO?
Is it something from which you derive pleasure, this hoping to have the last, last word, trying to claim the hollow appearance of victory almost half a year after you’ve been man-handled by your opponent? Is anyone going to be bamboozled by your efforts, even when the time-and-date stamp is plainly written across your work?
Skittish, Tombs.
Very skittish.
Don’t be hard on him Beef, it’s our second anniversary on Monday. @sk1951: too funny bro, claiming a hollow victory despite the evidence trail. You’re worth the price of admission all on your lonesome.
You’re absolutely right Mayhem. If I sounded too harsh, it’s because my keyboard fingers were on auto-pilot, us having been haunting this thread for two years now. I’m not even angry at SK. I just remembered that I used to be, so I picked things up where we left off.
And I still have no idea what the ‘author’ had in mind when he drafted the headline.
“SEEN AND UNSEEN POWERS. DO YOU?”
What in Sam Hell does that even mean? I must have asked that at some point in the past. The unseen power for us, on this board, seems to be time travel. Or maybe it’s more like Groundhog day — we keep waking up to the same curious headline, day in day out…
Like a bad penny that keeps showing up.
Relentless.
If my memory serves, Beef, i simply trolled you into this thread via the recent comments ticker tape. I’ve learned a great deal by taking your suggestion to research certain topics, hence the trolling. Respect that you provoke thought rather than giving out the answers.
There’s no constructive clue, in his header, for what he’s on about but i did find this in his ramblings…
“there are two realities people depend on. One is seen and the other unseen.The unseen is being explored with quantum and single partial double slit experiments.” sk1951
… does that clear things up at all? Thought not.
I’m not into the buybull thing but I do like this quote: 2 Corinthians 4:18 while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
“Mohammad studied with Catholic priests to understand the superior race theory for his Quran and it is still used to this day (1500 years after his Muslim Islamic conception), to murder and jihad.”
Care to elaborate on this? Seems like a fabrication, to me.
This should be good…….
I am getting answers but I can’t find them here. But anyway thanks. You guys are great for a laugh. It is sad that you have not advanced intellectually since the last time you posted. I know you wish me well so I want you to know I am doing really good. My learning of Truth and Reality expands more each day. This is a nice little blog. http://sk1951.wordpress.com/2014/11/28/truth-simple-in-its-complexity/
TRUTH: Simple in its complexity.
Real Truth and Reality are very simple. But all that they are is very complex. Simple in their complexity. It is all a singularity. Mankind is not yet capable of realizing Truth so it seems to be hidden from him. So he works to understand the complex first, hoping to realize the simplicity of Truth and Reality. How vary strange this is.
Sounds like a parable and I hate parables! I have come to realize that parables are not really parables. They are simply attempts to explain what IS…within limited abilities. These pitiful attempts to share enlightenment end up sounding like a parable. If the person could have made it clearer or more comprehensive he would have done so…just like me!
I attempt analogies to share my experiences with Truth. I was studying computer assisted drafting (CAD). You start off with a simple form, a square or circle. Then you add and shape this into something…like a building. You don’t start with a building and make a square out of it. So this is what I see mankind doing. He attempts to “understand” everything to lead him to discover/uncover Truth and Reality. I’m a bit dyslexic so in this it may have helped me, I tend to NOT do what everyone else is.
I finally realized that it is possible to “accept” things first. That knowing or understanding is not relevant and may even be harmful because the attempts leave you defeated. Truth and Reality cannot be known or understood in their complexity (at least not yet.) But they CAN be realized and accepted for what they ARE in their simplicity. Once a person is comfortable with Truth and Reality, the learning about them comes in waves of enlightenment. The process of inspiration carries on forever as the complexity of Truth and Reality reveals itself to you. Simplicity leading to complexity.
There is a peace found in this because it unravels all the pressure of attempting to know and understand. And in this…I can only write parables…
sk1951 wrote:
“I finally realized that it is possible to “accept” things first.”
Very bad idea, SK. That’s like drawing a conclusion at the beginning of an investigation – actually a very common flaw in modern “critical thinking.” This next sentence of yours sheds immeasurable light on the true state of your condition:
“That knowing or understanding is not relevant and may even be harmful because the attempts leave you defeated.”
Well now… One scarcely knows where to begin with such a sentiment. How perfectly stonewalled you’ve left yourself by arriving at this tragic mind-set. But good news!!! You just happen to be an introspective intelligence, so that it is your nature to constantly be looking for answers WITHIN yourself. And while this is one of the absolute worst places to seek for answers, at least you’re in the habit of looking. That means you still have a chance. If you ever stop looking, you’re finished – and I mean ‘you’ in the personal sense and in the general sense. There are MANY examples of such hopeless characters to be encountered on this website; men and women who have concluded their search, which is to say that they’ve abandoned all semblance of continuance and sold their chance for the illusion of enlightenment. ‘Knowing’ is not relevant? ‘Understanding’ is not relevant? More, they may even be HARMFUL??!! This calls to mind something I said to you almost two years ago to the day. I wrote:
“[Y]ou have nothing at all upon which to stand. There is no ground beneath you. You are a cast-away floating in the ether and you simply imagine that your feet have managed to find purchase. You are adrift without bearings.”
A more thorough confirmation of that charge could not be produced than by this last sentence of yours. You need a compass, SK. You need to withdraw to a stationary point and find something to grab ahold of. I have just such a ROCK in the written Word. But it need not be that. When a man embarks upon a mission to EXAMINE the written Word – to vet it, to test it, to prove it – then, for the purposes of THAT examination, the Word itself cannot be his Rock. He needs something else. For example, Rene Descartes offers a universally renowned example of this concept in his: “I think; therefore I am.” Here, the thinker has withdrawn to such a point that further reduction is not possible. He has split apart the atomic mass and arrived at an indivisible substance. It is from THIS point that he becomes free to proceed in any direction. He has now settled himself upon a foundation from which to advance. It is my contention that you have failed to conduct this indispensable preparatory act, SK. I submit to you that you have met with such ‘defeat’ in your journey because, as I said, your feet have found no purchase. Without purchase, you can meet with only three outcomes: defeat (as you say), or the ILLUSION of victory (which is to say, the illusion of success – the illusion of enlightenment), or finally, utter destruction. Knowing and understanding are indispensable requisites for a successful journey in this world, SK. All that remains to be discovered is the perspective FROM WHICH we come to comprehend, to understand, and to know.
Continuing, you wrote:
“Truth and Reality cannot be known or understood in their complexity (at least not yet.) But they CAN be realized and accepted for what they ARE in their simplicity.”
There are two clear sides to this equation; two opposing camps in this argument. On the one hand we have those who, like you, claim that ‘truth’ and ‘reality’ are not knowable and cannot be understood: and then we have those who, like me, assert that ‘Truth’ and ‘Reality’ are perfectly knowable in that they both make themselves readily accessible and AVAILABLE to the honest seeker. (I define the honest seeker as he who seeks, keeping foremost in his mind the conviction that he will follow the evidence WHEREVER IT LEADS, forsaking ALL preconceived notions or ideas or ideologies or fancies.) It is my contention, furthermore, that we would all be exempt from penalties for our misdeeds if truth and reality were not ultimately knowable by us. It would be UNJUST for providence to mete out punishment against criminals and violators in this world unless the Laws of Government were clearly defined, and were just as clearly made available to the seeker. Who can deny the myriad examples of JUSTICE being disbursed on the universal level and on a daily basis in this world? Some ascribe this Justice to forces like Karma. Some ascribe it to nature, or to the gods or to the stars. But only the fabulously ignorant or the galactically stupid deny that any such forces exist. The honest seeker knows to Whom the aegis and the orchestration of these forces are to be ascribed. And the honest seeker knows that, ultimately, this ‘universe’ is a Just one.
Truth and Reality can be known. To know them is to realize them both, and to behold them in their fullest state. We cannot SEE either of them as they are, at the moment, with our fleshly eyes; but we WILL see them as they are when we BECOME as they ARE.
“Once a person is comfortable with Truth and Reality, the learning about them comes in waves of enlightenment.”
Uh oh.
“The process of inspiration carries on forever as the complexity of Truth and Reality reveals itself to you. Simplicity leading to complexity.”
Sounds a bit like ‘Order out of Chaos.’ The problem with that is, there are NO examples of order coming forth from or out of chaos. Rather, ALL of the examples clearly show us that the reverse is true. How can simplicity ever lead to complexity when only and always the opposite ensues?
“There is a peace found in this because it unravels all the pressure of attempting to know and understand. And in this…I can only write parables…”
Not to put too blunt a point on it SK, but that sounds like nothing more than a cop-out. You aren’t satisfied with your results because you’re going about this backwards. You’re trying to cross the finish line without ever having FOUND the starting line. You can cross the finish line and claim victory (enlightenment) all you want, but the umpires are not going to confirm your work. They will not let you pass. If you ever expect to cross the finish line legitimately, you have to go back to the beginning and run the race all over again. Otherwise, you’ll just continue on as you have been and as you are now… spinning tires in the mud, going nowhere. If you sense forward motion, it’s just because you’re getting dizzy on the exhaust fumes.
And what i hear you saying, sk1951, is for the folk to not worry about the details and just rely on you for truth and reality. This is the one and only reason i remain in this debate. Every time anything like this is said in front of me i feel compelled to retort. So here goes: there is only one way, John 14:6, to receive the promise, John 3:16.