Government Taking Over Churches - Compromise of Epic Proportions!!!
Shadrack, Meshack and Abednego were tossed into a fiery furnace because they would not bow to an Idol. However, they were the only ones who stood in start opposition to what the king demanded of his people. Everyone else caved under pressured and bowed out of fear of being thrown into the furnace. Sadly, this is exactly what we see happening today. Many churches are ‘caving under the pressure’ of the government and allowing them to limit what they can and can’t say.
How is this happening? By a little thing called the 501c3. To be tax-exempt under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, an organization may not be an action organization, i.e., it may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates (Proof Here).
In other words, churches are not allowed to participate in any campaign or promote any candidate, even if that candidate is a Christian. As a result our politics have gone to the crapper and furthermore, this is why Christians in government are few and far between. Since no one is backing them, they don’t win, which is exactly what our government wanted. Churches caving under pressure and as result evil has won the White House, The House of Representatives, Congress, and the Judicial system.
“When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked bears rule, the people mourn.” Prov. 29:2
So Yes! I mix religion and politics, because politics keeps intruding upon my religious freedoms! Therefore I will stand in stark opposition to things that hinder what the church can or can’t say, because eventually they will add more verbiage to these documents, and more of our freedoms will ripped from us. It is only a matter of time. As of now, the government has begun their invasion on the churches….starting with the 501c3….
“…look for able men from all the people, men who fear God, who are trustworthy and hate a bribe, and men over the people as chiefs of thousands, of hundreds, of fifties, and of tens.…” Exodus
*Note – Not all Churches are ‘caving under pressure’ but some are. There are some good ones out there.
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let em pay taxes. just like these big corporations get out of paying also. we are supposed to be helping the poor and needy not paying for fancy clothes and huge fancy buildings. i wonder where the money goes that people give at their church. then they come with their basket for another donation to pay utility bills. what? while i pay so much of my income in taxes and i’m poor. we are taxed to death. read about the nicolaitans that Yahusha hated mentioned twice in revelations. the big religions are the nicolaitans. read about tithing. it’s not about giving 10 percent to the church. so many people led astray with lies. merry christmas. oh yeah, everyone votes for who they want, not who they are told to vote for. blah.
It looks like Jehovah’s Witnesses are the only safe ones since they adamantly refuse to take sides in politics. No matter where they are in the world, they are politically neutral.
Of course it is just a matter of time before they are targeted too.
The following is affecting all religions as is the 501(c)3 issue. Combined together they put a fence around religions
Jerusalem was surrounded in 66 C.E. it affected the Christians too. So does the following:
THE U.N. MOVES TO COMBAT RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE:
In March 28, 2013 U.N. draft resolution UNGA 67/178 was adopted without vote as a follow up to HRC 16/18. It adopted a strong stance in regard to limitations on the right to freedom of expression, and the harmful impact that expressive acts may have in terms of contributing to violence. 67/178 declares “terrorism cannot and should not be associated with any religion”; while later it declares the responsibility of “religious bodies” and “the media” to actively promote tolerance. It warns of the serious national and international implications of incitement to discrimination and violence, and it calls for global awareness of these “serious implications”. This resolution seems to further the means to enforce religious tolerance and combat religious intolerance among UN member states including America and Britain
http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/67/178
The target is religious fundamentalism and what is fundamental to true Christianity?
To say “I have the true religion”.
Aside from the political restrictions of 501(c)3 recipients of tax exemption must offer something that is perceived as a valuable service to the common/public community.
This is subject to the community and what it holds valuable. Hence if is deemed a teaching is contrary to public benefit it can quickly lose tax exemption.
Sorry here’s the exact wording:
(a) …Intent that the entitlement to tax exemption depends upon meeting certian common law standards of charity…must serve a public purpose and NOT BE CONTRARY to established public policy……Must demonstrably serve and be in harmony with the public interest, and the institutions purpose must not be at odds with common community conscience as to undermine any public benefit that otherwise might be conferred”
http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/461/574/
You can see how “public interest”, community conscience”, and not being “at odds” with them could easily happen over the issue of homosexuality, taking a neutral stand, or publishing something that might seem contrary to the government status quo.
The links below show a COMMON THEME, the global war on terrorism is NOW LINKED with the UN, and the UN’s Global anti terrorist measures are NOW BEING LINKED to combating religious intolerance and promoting tolerance.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/12/remarks-denis-mcdonough-international-religious-freedom
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ObamaAnnouncesWhiteHouseOfficeofFaith-basedandNeighborhoodPartnerships/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/ofbnp
http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/67/178
http://www.unodc.org/pdf/terrorism/Index/60-288en.pdf
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/25/extremist-religion-wars-tony-blair
Tell me what organized religion will speak to this and expose it. I haven’t found one. Because they know whats at stake.
Religion is defiantly surrounded much like Jerusalem was surrounded in 66 C.E
Can You see the “disgusting thing standing in the holy place” or are you sleeping as the rest?
Mt 24:15.
God loves all his people that love him. There is more to being a follower of Christ than sitting in a church pugh. I do gods work for free and because I love god. The government does not run this church, I dont take in money I take in the blessings of god.
http://chrisandrebeccapassministries.blogspot.com/
For 30 pieces of silver
For 30 pieces of silver, Christ was then betrayed
and gave his life upon the Cross our debt he fully paid,
So we might know the Father, he hung upon the tree,
and shed his blood for our sins that we might be set free.
He gave it all for you and I so we could know his word ,
and when we pray with our hearts our voices will be heard.
To have a True relationship with the Father up above
walking in his presence, knowing his pure love
But For 30 pieces of silver, he’s now betrayed again.
Not by all his enemy’s but those who call him friend
For 30 pieces of silver they have watered down his word
Churches who for tax brakes God’s voice can’t be heard
They show a form of godliness, yet they compromise,
Twisting all the words they say, and teaching many lies.
Because of fears their tickling ears ,afraid now to offend.
They chose the world over God , and are living now in sin.
Judgment comes to the house before it hits the land.
There is a storm that’s coming, unto the house of man.
For all who have defiled him, and became lukewarm,
they will feel the wrath of God and be swallowed by the storm
Trees will fall who were so great who walked in lavished pride .
For they forgot who is the king, and taught the people lies,
From great to small his judgment falls ,on all who has denied
the gift he gave, that they be saved. and have eternal life
But for those, who know the Lord, and have became his child,
who walk within his presence, the storm will pass them by.
His blood is on their door post, his spirit rests on them
soon they will be lifted up, and forever be with him
Copyright © 2013 John Wright
God does not need your money anyway.
The Mormons figured out how to hide millions in wealth, and then redistribute it,
they are more than thriving under the tax laws.
Organized religion has never been the answer.
It always gets in the way of the true word, which is written on the Hearts of men.
However you can get to God, get there.
In the end you will find there is only one way.
We are Spirit.
Believe it, you are going to live forever.
Deny it, you will die in your body and mind.
We are not alone either.
The kingdom of God is living Spirit, to enter you must be one.
We are limited here on earth by each other.
The more Love we share, the stronger we get.
Look around, it is not good.
Since 911 we have been under constant attack, with no response from the people.
Come away from the world entirely.
The reality they are pushing leads to death.
Things can change rapidly if we would all stand together.
The Golden rule is not a joke, it is Natural Law.
Love is so powerful it can destroy the evil without resorting to the
same tactics as the enemy. You don’t fight fire with fire.
One last word, the living dead are everywhere.
These Souls are not going to be awakened in our lifetimes.
The mystery of the Gospel of the Kingdom continues to be so,
only those who can “hear” will understand.
False teachers are everywhere.
God hasn’t left our eternal Spirit in the hands of men with religious texts.
The answer truly is inside you.
Love will start and end your Journey.
RT
Love what you wrote.
When a church must ask permission to be an exempt church from taxes, it no longer serves Yahweh but serves the master who provided the exemption.
Ouch….say it like it is…..that is a very interesting perspective.
Peace!
http://secular.embassyofheaven.com/
Government is not taking over churches. Churches voluntarily made the government their master by becoming a 501c business, pure and simple. They made the State their god, and Caesar (the State) does not give anything away without expecting tribute in return. Simple as that. There is a way out and that is via 503c in which it is clearly indicated that churches are exempt from registering and incorporating…it’s just that people are too stupid to think for themselves and perform due diligence.
The bible says, “There will come a time when My Word will be taken from You “, “So you must write My word on the Tablet of Your Heart”. There are those determined to overcome Good with evil. Determined.
As “not one soul can be snatched from GOD’S hand….” neither can the Word be snatched from the tablet of Your Heart.
The Words are our Rock, our strength in our time of need. Memorize them. recite them to yourself and to others. Don’t give up Your strength, because a man without strength is easily overcome. “Faith that can’t be tested-is Faith that can’t be trusted.” As a body builder practices to become strong , You too must practice to become strong in Faith. Don’t Give Up !!!
We will prevail, but it is a process,but the process is as long or short as You Make it !! God told Me that !!! Friend.
The Bible does not say that…
Reference please?
Well then if this is true then they should start with that church that M. and Mrs. Obama attended in Chcago, back in 2007and 2008. If you all remember that church and it’s flamboyant preacher were front page news all through Mr. Obama’s election campaign. The church’s docturn and belief’s were often pointed to in demonstrating Mr. Obamas beliefs and policies, and how he came to them.
But, I don’t think this story is really all that much to worry about. I don’t think being Christian, Muslim, Jew, Sikh, or whatever and having the support of your community and fellow church members negates you from running for any particular public office.
If it was so, why do we see the Obama’s attending church in Washington?
This is not exactly true.. The tax code is against EXCESSIVE lobbying of legislation or politics. The link is supplied by the author , so check it out for yourself.
Ahaha yay
its about time! ^^ let’s throw a party! 
The satanic won over churches a very long time ago … there are a lot of satanic followers in garment of christianity .. with a lot of their churches teaching prosperity in the ways of this world .. when scripture plainly says if you are a friend of this world, you are an enemy of God …
And scripture also says to give what is due to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s …surely meaning pay applicable taxes where taxes are due … and the only things due God is your loyalty, trust and Love …
Yet churches are tax exempt .. and I consider this has come at a cost … and now no matter what side of the track … or what social status one may hold .. or what color a skin might be … the Roman devil reptilians are coming for what is due the satanic head … meaning he’s coming for any sum of stockpiles and monies over the basic survival need .. so that he and his kind will survive …
This is the same reason why the stock market has not collapse .. because though cunningness and deception the satanic elite are taking in as much as they can before pulling the plug just at the right moment yielding their gain …
If a Christian Journey were to bring the abundance of this reality’s worldly wealth … scripture would not have implicated that a rich man would sell what he had and follow the ways of Positive Light … you have to turn a loose the illusion of wealth to acquire the true wealth in a true materialistic world .. instead the illusion has made drunk the minds of it’s followers .. …
The Church was not commanded to go and make Politicians – it was commanded to go and Preach the Gospel of the Kingdom.
However, that is not the only, or even primary, way that the Churches are caving in. The CIA has basically taken over the World Council of Churches and basically most, if not all, Pastors do their bidding…
And the main recruitment center for the CIA is Salt Lake City…
Why don’t churches “render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s” while they encourage their patrons to obey their corrupt government? Why, if I didn’t “know better” I’d think they were agents of the government…
Jesus never endorsed any candidate. He just said to leave that alone, or render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar.
So I think the government is right here, believe it or not. However, you can still say what you feel about someone Biblically speaking. Just don’t endorse him.
Christians stay out of politics, but again it you can say anything about how you feel about this country Biblially speaking.
Religion and government go hand and hand. Good article here:
What If Everything You Were Ever Taught Was A Lie?
http://www.trueactivist.com/what-if-everything-you-were-ever-taught-was-a-lie/
This ones interesting as well, despite getting one or two ancient historical details wrong, they portray the real Game of Thrones very accurately.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-klNO-AjW6M&feature=share
It’s actually a tax break for charities, that’s where the money donated for charity is actually given out as charity, not for maintaining self serving thought and belief intolerant dark age political dictatorships.
Your religion does not qualify as a charity.
What if your govt doesn’t qualify as a good government?
I propose an OPEN DEBATE forum here at BIN.
manufactured2012
Yes a BIN forum would be great!!
wow! anybody could post a comment. great idea!
None of them qualify as a good government, there is no such thing as a good dictatorship.
Jesus gave us the only solution… democracy.
What we are doing is the total opposite. All hierarchies including political and religious, are thought and belief intolerant dictatorships. All dictatorships are identical, they all treat the population as their property, slaves of the state, they all victimise minority groups to distract your anger away from themselves, they all make it up as they go to suit themselves, they give themselves the right to be above the law, they all commit genocides and atrocities. There is no difference between any hierarchy, and the only solution is the opposite, a full democracy.
http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org
Our mission is to restore the people to sovereignty through knowledge, and only then will they be armed with the virtue to take political and judicial power. The people have it in their power to disarm and defeat the enemy of Liberty both foreign and domestic if they only understood the principles of freedom and stand upon them.
To take political power is to control our elected representatives, by bringing them into obedience through fear of the people, this is accomplished by understanding the office of & becoming an elected committeemen, and then execute the powers.
To take judicial power is to control our courts by understanding jurisdiction and bringing into subjection all government officers and officials using common law courts by opening courts of record and executing “people” authority, it’s that simple!
But, to successfully apply political and judicial power you must have a sense of justice and mercy which is synonymous with virtue. And to get virtue you need to have a relationship with your creator. If everyone exercised these principles America could shake off the chains of tyranny, reinstate our republic, and bring down the NWO “literally overnight”. This is the only way to save the nation, without power you are powerless!
Join our endeavor and save our Republic, one people at a time! (NOT PERSON)
We are Non Partisan – A partisan person is “one who is blindly or unreasonably devoted to party positions.” Therefore a partisan cannot possibly serve the constitution. George Washington warned us against political parties he said “they only succeed in pitting one group against another”.
The cause of the grassroots movement is the awakening to our constitutional crisis, for it to be engaged in partisan politics would further serve the demise of our constitutional republic. The genius of the progressive movement is their exploitation of partisan politics, which they created, to subvert our constitution. Grassroots groups are natural and spontaneous whose primary objective is to reinstate the constitution, to be partisan would be counter productive.
Traditional power structures are orchestrated and designed to harness grassroots movements “they must always be suspect” and will be proven corrupt if they are partisan – divisive – take control of choosing candidates.
Grassroots are founded local, control is local and most events are local. To collaborate with distant groups are necessary for unity but if events become dictated by them you are no longer grassroots.
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” — Edmund Burke
The question before the People is one of an awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; … Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear… It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope, we are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? … I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future, but by the past.
…They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing.
…Sir, we have done everything that could be done, to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrance’s have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope.
If we wish to be free if we mean to preserve privileges, if we mean not to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!
“They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? … Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three [hundred] millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard! The war is inevitable²and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come. “Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death”! — Patrick Henry
The real difference between people vs. PERSON
http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/slavery-consent
manufactured2012
I propose an OPEN DEBATE forum here at BIN.
Not on BIN, but on a people owned, people run, peoples democracy site. We could ditch all government globally and replace it with a global democracy, it works from grass roots up to global level. One system fits all = massive tax cut. No more debt slavery, no more being forced into poverty by a system designed by the tiny few for the tiny few, no more wars.
Their one vilification being it’s too slow, too many opinions. This is total bolox, I mean come on, how long would it take for people to vote to legalise the cure for cancer?… I’d give it a month at the most to allow time for everyone to read and vote.
Very few situations are national or even international emergencies, 99% of problems are all local, that can be dealt with locally. In which case time in not a problem, slow and ponderous is better than a huge series of utter failures destroying millions of lives as they go and with complete callous indifference.
Explain then this position of Jesus as stated in scripture:
“Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”(Matthew 4:8-10)
“ Pilate replied: “I am not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and the chief priests handed you over to me. What did you do?” 36 Jesus answered: “My Kingdom is no part of this world. If my Kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my Kingdom is not from this source.” (John 18:34-36)
“ I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them, because they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world”. (John 17:14)
“Now there is a judging of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out” (John 12:31)
“We know that we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one”. (1 John 5:19)
How can you argue against the point made in these scriptures? In fact Anglo America (Britain & US)i s portrayed in the bible as a two horned wild beast that demands admiration and worship. (rev 13:11-18)
Democracy is tolerated not inspired of God. Eventually even so called “democratic” countries will turn on the very religions that support democracy.
That being said. I admire your resolve Pix, you want peace and stability for all, and that is a noble desire. But don’t forget God’s Kingdom is not a human government. It rules and exzerts it authority from heaven, humans volunteer to be its subjects here on earth but take no military or political action, but neither do they seek to undermine the political authorities.
God’s kingdom will sanctify God’s name and will replace all human governments and types . It will bring the peaceful world wide conditions you seek and much more. That is the message which is repeated through scripture. (Psalm 72; Rev 21:3,4)
Wouldn’t a Constitutional Republic be better which what the US was originally.
Many people are under the false impression our form of government is a democracy, or representative democracy. This is of course completely untrue. The Founders were extremely knowledgeable about the issue of democracy and feared a democracy as much as a monarchy. They understood that the only entity that can take away the people’s freedom is their own government, either by being too weak to protect them from external threats or by becoming too powerful and taking over every aspect of life.
They knew very well the meaning of the word “democracy”, and the history of democracies; and they were deliberately doing everything in their power to prevent having a democracy.
In a Republic, the sovereignty resides with the people themselves. In a Republic, one may act on his own or through his representatives when he chooses to solve a problem. The people have no obligation to the government; instead, the government is a servant of the people, and obliged to its owner, We the People. Many politicians have lost sight of that fact.
A Constitutional Republic has some similarities to democracy in that it uses democratic processes to elect representatives and pass new laws, etc. The critical difference lies in the fact that a Constitutional Republic has a Constitution that limits the powers of the government. It also spells out how the government is structured, creating checks on its power and balancing power between the different branches.
http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/NotDemocracy.html
@007 Hope u don’t mind if I reply with scripture again:
“I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step. (Jeremiah 10:23)
“All of this I have seen, and I applied my heart to every work that has been done under the sun, during the time that man has dominated man to his harm”. (Eccl 8:9)
There is not one human government that will ever satisfy mans desire for peace, prosperity and long life, especially eternal life on earth
What Jesus did on earth was just a small taste of what he will do when God’s kingdom is in full control. Heal sickness, resurrect the dead, control weather, provide satisfying food Besides have u ever seen a human ruler sacrifice himself like Christ? I guarantee u Jesus did not do it for democracy. Pilot surrendered to the demands of the Jewish religious rulers and impaled Christ. Pilot was a puppet just like all government.
Herbert W. Armstrong was a Cult leader.