The Book of Daniel Finally Being Unsealed
Canadian Research Group Unravels Prophecies of Daniel
Blue text contains updates
The Book of Daniel in the Bible has been debated for centuries regarding its veracity and age. The oldest reference to the book of Daniel is quoted by the author of a section of the Sibylline Oracles commonly dated to the middle of the 2nd century BCE, and was popular at Qumran beginning at much the same time, suggesting that it was known and revered from the middle of that century.
With this being the earliest proof of the text’s existence, many experts believe that the descriptions of future events in the Book of Daniel are too accurate to history and therefore must have been written after the events.
Not all share this belief. Many also believe the texts to be real and containing valuable future warnings within its pages. The text itself tells us that its true meaning has been hidden by its writer as commanded by the angel until the future.
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.’
Daniel 12:4 KJV
From time immemorial, scholars and lay persons alike have been attempting to unravel what has been hidden in the book, to limited success.
And so the dispute has raged on as to whether the book of Daniel and its prophecies are real, or written after the events.
This might be about to change, with the findings of the Chronicle Project Research Group of Canada. The Chronicle Project has restored what they say are the original meanings of Daniel 9:24 – 27 using a system embedded in the ancient Hebrew language at it inception, that the group discovered in 2009.
This system is known as Self Defining Hebrew and uses a glyph/concept system much like the ancient hieroglyphs of Egypt, rather than the phonetic system that is presently used.
Here is a link to their research notes: http://thechronicleproject.org/PDF1/researchnotesmaster.pdf
The system allows for a multiple level check on the meaning of each word, thus allowing restorations of words that only appear once in Daniel and no where else in the bible. The present system of translation lacks this capacity, thus lending to the disputes among scholars of ancient Hebrew.
When this new system was applied to the verses in Daniel, the results were astounding.
Daniel 12:4 now explains a very important point using SDH
And with the scroll Daniel, hide the decrees and seal those until the passage of time is reached, civilization multiplies and the lasting knowledge proceeds to increase.
The angel only told Daniel to only hide the decrees of the future predictions. Only these items need to be unraveled. These exact verses are the ones that the ChronicleProject.org have deciphered todate.
The material when restored, contained the prediction of the first great Jewish – Roman war, beginning with the revolt of the Jews and ending with the fall of Jerusalem, its people and the temple at the hands of the Roman army. It predicts the year 70 CE, the seven months of warfare and the seventy thousand man Roman army.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish%E2%80%93Roman_War
The restored verses go on to predict the second revolt of the Jews, sixty two years later in 132 CE, known as the Bar Kokhba revolt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba_revolt
They foretell of the complete destruction of the city, people and temple mount for ages to come, plus the deportation of the remaining Jewish people.
Here is the SDH Restored verses of Daniel 9:24 in modern English (bracketed information added for historical and verbal context)
v24 Seventy! Seventy (C.E.) therefore to break up your (nation), shall come upon your people and to come upon your revered city (Jerusalem). For all shall begin to revolt. And toward the (people) shall arise continuous atrocities.
And it shall proceed to cover the burden. And toward the (people) it shall bring absolution for the accrued violations. And for a seal that shall come in the future and therefore it shall bring, and is for, the anointing of the inner sanctuary of the Tabernacle.
v25 And continue to know and proceed to inform; a come forth is decreed, derived of the elders and family lines of Jerusalem unto the high priest. Therefore this shall come first, seventy (CE), seven (months of warfare) and seventy (thousand men).
Sixty and (two) years, they shall proceed to return and therefore to plan to rebuild street(s) and to withdraw being to position. And amid distress, the times shall pass.
*exact Hebrew to English concept still being processed
v 26 And after the seventy (CE) happens, sixty and (two) years (132 CE). The high priest will be restrained and he shall prepare for his and the city and the place of reverence, (temple mount), so to collapse for a great length of time.
A people shall be led, they shall go into and shall be reaching (Jerusalem), amid to spill out and unto to reach war, therefore to specifically locate those to die.
v27 And the sovereign (Hadrian), ongoing toward many shall invade to unify. And the invaders arrows shall slaughter complete family lineages. And that which goes before (the romans) as a standard; wings (the Roman Aquila). Detestable is that name of those (being slaughtered) and unto (them) an end. And therefore it is ordered to perpetuate your (people), this be upon those names.
The Bar Kokhba revolt foretold in the verse above, resulted in an extensive depopulation of Judean Jewish communities, more so than the Great Revolt of Judea of 70 AD. 580,000 Jews killed, 50 fortified towns and 985 villages razed. The Romans did not fare much better.
Roman emperor Hadrian then prohibited the Torah law and the Hebrew calendar, and executed Judaic scholars. The sacred scroll was ceremonially burned on the Temple Mount.
At the former Temple sanctuary, he installed two statues, one of Jupiter, another of himself. In an attempt to erase any memory of Judea or Ancient Israel, he wiped the name off the map and replaced it with Syria Palaestina.
From this point on, the Jewish people were slowly scattered over the earth as the Romans barred Jews from Jerusalem, except for attendance in Tisha B’Av.
Christopher Tyreman, the head of the Project, is looking forward to the reaction from the theological and historical communities regarding this material.
“These finding could have a major impact on how we approach the Hebrew sacred texts. For years, many of the experts in the field have relegated them to the ranks of mythology. Here, we are now presented with proof that the prophecies restored in Daniel occurred well after the text was known to exist. With this in hand, we have to take a hard look at the origin of these ancient texts and their potential value to us as a people”.
It is interesting to note, that if the project has unraveled the book of Daniel’s prophecies accurately, then another prophecy has been fulfilled in our time.
That the words of Daniel, were indeed sealed up until our time.
The other Old Testament material restored by the Chronicle Project since 2009 is available free on their website.
http://thechronicleproject.org/
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ALL RELIGIONS ARE FALSE AND SHOULD BE DESTROYED! WE ARE NOT IN THE END TIMES! THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE A RAPTURE! GOD OR JESUS IS NOT GOING TO SAVE ANYONE! THERE IS NO SATAN OR ANTICHRIST! THERE IS NO GOOD OR BAD! EVERYBODY GOES TO HEAVEN TO BE WITH GOD! DO AS YOU WILL, WITHOUT ANY FEAR OF ANY JUDGEMENT! THIS IS THE TRUTH! HANDLE IT!
Please tell your mother the CAPS lock key is on again.
She’ll know what to do!
You said:
“EVERYBODY GOES TO HEAVEN TO BE WITH GOD!”
Well, not quite.
For example, there are some who will suffer throughout eternity with no relief from their torment, day nor night. They will drink the full cup of God’s wrath (see v10 below):
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
—REV 14:9-11
So shall it be for those who receive the mark of the beast. They will find no relief from their torment day nor night, day by day, week by week, month by month, year by year, decade by decade, century by century, millennium by millennium, forever and ever, suffering for all time to come in the fire meant for the Devil
and his angels. 
And also, another example is all those whose names are not written in the book of life are thrown into the lake of fire (which is the second death, which is even worse than it sounds, WAY WORSE)
“And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
—REV 20:15
But the GOOD NEWS is this, and you can CHOOSE to believe the GOSPEL MESSAGE or not the choice is up to you, but IGNORE THIS TO YOUR OWN PERIL:
GOD is a HOLY GOD and is a CONSUMING FIRE. SIN is consumed in GOD’S HOLY PRESENCE. And so on the DAY OF JUDGMENT, GOD’S PRESENCE will BURN UP all that are UNHOLY and UNRIGHTEOUS. And everyone of their own accord is UNHOLY and UNRIGHTEOUS. NONE OF US ARE PERFECT AND RIGHTEOUS AND HOLY. OUR “GOOD WORKS” ARE NOTHING BUT FILTHY RAGS IN THE SIGHT OF A PERFECT AND HOLY GOD (SEE ISAIAH 64:6). SIN SEPARATES MEN FROM GOD. SO MEN WHO REST ON THEIR OWN MERITS CANNOT EXIST IN THE PRESENCE OF A HOLY GOD WITHOUT BEING CONSUMED IN THE FIRE ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT.
But the GOOD NEWS is this: we have a MEDIATOR for us between us and GOD. His name is JESUS, the HIGH PRIEST that meets our needs. For all those that accept JESUS, the LAMB OF GOD, as the SACRIFICE FOR THEIR SINS and makes Him their LORD and SAVIOR, they in effect “put on” the RIGHTEOUSNESS and HOLINESS of JESUS CHRIST. So when GOD looks at them, He sees not their own righteous (or lack thereof) or holiness (or lack thereof), but He see the PERFECT HOLINESS AND RIGHTEOUSNESS OF JESUS CHRIST. And such a person will be able to stand in the PRESENCE of GOD on the DAY OF JUDGMENT without being CONSUMED in the BURNING FIRE.
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According to Daniel’s book, chapter 2, the roman empire (iron) continues into the feets and toes. 2 feets (NATO and communists) and 10 toes (10 mega regions).
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Read Daniel’s book before reading the book of Revelations.
John’s revelations at Patmos fullfills the prophetic word.
ohh O K. Its handles, now what?
Merry Christmas.
I suppose this is the celebration as you look at it for the 4th quarter of the business cycle LOL. Well in some cases you are right in others, get over it and stop yelling at the world. Nobody is listening.
They are to busy being broke and slaves to their money god.
boy are you going to be surprised, my friend
Washer,
Did you know you just described your religion? Which is based on the Bible, of alll things? So you have no imagination, just a rebellious spirit to be a fat know-it-all.
For a fool says in his heart there is no god.
Translated from the Ancient Aramaic Scriptures:
Daniel 9
1. In the first year of Darius, son of Akhshirush,* from the seed of the Medes, who ruled in the Kingdom of the Chaldeans.
2. In the first year of his kingdom, I, Daniel, counted in the Scriptures the number of years to ascertain* the Lord’s revelation, as the Prophet Jeremiah had spoken regarding the end of the destruction of Jerusalem at seventy years.
3. And I raised my face* before the Lord God* to beg on my knees* through searching and fasting; in sackcloth and with ashes.
4. And I prayed on my knees before my Lord and my God,* and I confessed and said, I beg you, O, Lord God, great and almighty, the guardian of covenants and blessings for those who love* Him and those who guard* his commandments.
5. We have sinned and have been foolish, we have been depraved and rebellious, and we have strayed from your commandments and your judgments.
6. And we did not heed the prophets who spoke in your name, regarding our kings and governors, regarding our ancestors and all the people of the earth.
7. For yours, O, Lord, is the victory* but ours is the shame-faced reality of our daily life,* to the Jewish men and women,* to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to all Israelites* near and far, that are in every place on earth, where you scattered them, because of their abominations, with which they acted against you.
8. O, Lord, ours are the shameful faces, and those of our kings, governors and ancestors, as they sinned against you.
9. Nevertheless, you are the Lord God against whom we rebelled.
10. And we did not hear the voice of our Lord God, so as to walk by his Laws, that He placed before us, through the hand of his servants, the prophets.
11. And all Israel ignored* your Laws, they strayed and did not hear your voice, and they brought against themselves the curses and oaths that were written of in the Law of Moses, the Servant of God, upon those that sinned before him.
12. And he upheld the words that he spoke against us and against the judgments that they decreed, that brought against us the great evil, an evil unlike any that was brought against us under heaven, as that which was brought against Jerusalem.
13. As it is written in the Law of Moses, all this evil befell us and we did not go down on our knees* before our Lord God, so as to repent from our abomination; as we foolishly abandoned your faith, and the Lord saw the evil that befell us.
14. For He is holy, our Lord God, in all the works that He performs, but we did not hear his voice.
15. Now then, our Lord God, who liberated your people from the land of Egypt with a mighty hand and who made a name for yourself as always,* despite the fact that we sinned and acted in an outrageous manner.*
16. O, Lord, like all your righteous acts that you performed upon us, let your anger and wrath turn away from your city Jerusalem and your holy mountain, for because of our sins and the abomination of our ancestors your people were scattered in every country, and Jerusalem became the spoil of all the nations.
17. Now hear, O, God the prayer of your servant and of our soul-searching and shed your light upon your sanctuary that lies in ruin,* for your name is the Lord.
18. Allow your ear to listen, O, my God; open your eyes and see our ruins and curses and the city over which your name has been invoked, for it was not for the sake of our righteousness that we endured and prayed down on our knees before you except your abundant mercies.
19. The Lord hears, the Lord hallows, the Lord declares and acts without delay, because your name is my God; that is why your name is invoked over your city and over your people.
20. And as I prayed on my knees and confessed my unfulfilled responsibilities, those of of my people Israel, and as I cast my soul-searching before the Lord God, upon the holy mountain of my God;
21. And as I was speaking through prayer — Gabriel, the man I had seen in the old vision, flew out* and shot from heaven; he approached me at the time of the evening offering.*
22. He came and spoke to me, and he said to me, “Daniel, I now came to teach you, so you could understand.
23. “As soon as you began to pray, your prayer was answered,* and I came to show you, because you are very eager to know;* let this revelation bring you understanding and let this vision teach you.
24. “Seventy seventies shall rest upon your nation and upon the town of your reverence,* so as the obligations may be concluded and the sins may be curtailed, so that the abominations shall be abandoned, and that they may usher in the eternal righteousness, such as the vision and the prophesies* may be fulfilled, and to the Anointed One we may commit our blessings.
25. “And you shall know and understand, from the emergence of the Manifestation, who shall return and rebuild Jerusalem, and the coming of the Messiah King, seventy sevens and seventy sixties and two; he shall return and rebuild Jerusalem, its streets and gateways, to the end of the season.
26. “And after the seventy sixties and two, the Messiah shall be killed, and [Jerusalem] shall not have him, and the holy city shall be devastated, together with the next king,* and its end shall be evacuation, and until the end of the war there shall be killing and desolation.*
27. “And the Covenant shall be deepened for many, [a period of] seven and half [the period] of seven, sacrifices and offerings shall cease to be performed,* and over the wings of evil* there shall follow the desolation,* until the killings shall cease,* and [the dead shall] rest* upon the desolation.*
http://www.v-a.com/bible/supporters/daniel_9.html
Letters of the Apostles
Hebrews 2
14. For as the children partake in His flesh and blood, so also He shall make God* a partaker in their death through Him, so as He shall annihilate through death the one who has sole authority over death, that being Satan,
http://www.v-a.com/bible/supporters/hebrews-2.html
Gospel of John chapter 11
Youkhanna
25. Eashoa told her, “I am the Resurrection and the Life, and whoever believes in me, even though they be dead, shall Live”
26. “And whoever that Lives and believes in me, shall never die”
http://www.v-a.com/bible/john_11_audio.html
I am not to sure about their story, to date there is no complete text of Daniel. The book of Daniel available today is partly from a Hebrew text and partly from a Aramaic text. Aramaic is a syro-chaldaic dialect, so you have two parts from two distinct and separate MSS. How can their formula work if it is designed for one of the two? Also the OT itself has two separate and distinct versions, one was the one copied into the Septuagint version and the other in Hebrew. This is backed and confirmed by the DSS evidence. Add this problem, the Greek Septuagint is the text quoted almost exclusively by Christ and the Apostles, not the Hebrew now known as The Masoretic text. So this is more complicated than they are letting on. Are they actually breaking a code under these circumstances?
….there are comparative works that can be discerned, to give a relatively accurate, trustworthy, scripture. But, I believe that common sense, and understanding yourself, is necessary, for any reliable translation. It takes a life time.
If it’s not the mainstream propaganda then it’s the religious nut job’s delusions. The world is infected by these two viruses.
“If God is willing to prevent evil, but is not able to
Then he is not omnipotent.
If he is able, but not willing
Then he is malevolent.
If he is both able and willing
Then whence cometh evil?
If he is neither able nor willing
Then why call him God?”
Epicurus (c. 341 – c. 270 BC)
…Duck….we are at the tail end of the second earth age. The age of man….free will is the Hallmark, of this age. Epicurius , for all of whatever revelations he seems to bring….was not aware of the first age, and what the fall of man was all about….the great “men” of his myths were Nephilim….not men.
Max
Merry Christmas
I got some verses for this article Galatians 1:7-9
….mark…good catch. The Gospel grace lives here in my heart. Fifteen years with the old man….truly a blessing….
…More amazing every day, how his attitude and his sense of humor are still such a big part of my own spirituality. i don’t think anyone could possibly enjoy apocalypse as much as I do. Nothing is better than witnessing the power and will of God, manifesting all around you. Comforting, even. Knowing so clearly, what’s what and who is who….ha ha….makes me laugh. semper fi….
Epicurus was brilliant, and as such, points out a glaring fact that all previous ages understood, but the lie of Christianity cannot fathom.
Those of times past understood that Zeus, Ahura Mazda, etc. were both GOOD and BAD, gods or not. For some reason (oh yeah, because he lied and said so), the Christians believe that little ‘Jesus’ (who couldn’t even keep his name straight (is he a Christ (a title), or Jesus, or Emmanuel or YHWH, or Jehovah or I AM or what?)
In reality, Epicurus hit it on the head with his last logical supposition, that if ‘god’ is able to stop evil, and does NOT stop evil, then is he not a plotting, malevolent evil thing himself? If he dawdles, if he takes his time and allows evil to cause suffering, undue agony upon the poor, is he not a co-conspirator to evil himself? Even if he knows before hand, sees it as it happens, and instead of acting on it now; but instead takes his time and slowly addresses it as it suits him, is this not the procrastinating inefficiency of sociopathic politics to the letter? Does a father wait to stop his son from cutting off his arm, only telling him afterward that it will be painful and life-altering; or does a good father stop the child and teach him right from wrong? That his message is destroyed, confused, obliterated assunder by evil men who have spun it to server their own oligarchical needs for nearly two thousand years, isn’t it appropriate to FIX YOUR WORD before you make your children suffer for your own failed inattentiveness?
Obviously for this ‘god’, the answer is no. With ‘gods’ like these, who needs Washington D.C.? Even the Roman Senate was more mindful of the citizens than this guy.
“But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.”
Oh, ok. I get it now. When I give knowledge to Eve, you blame women for Original Sin, and make me out to be the bad guy; when it was your god who chose to hide knowledge in the first place. When some Hebrew writes it down, and hides it, That’s cool.
You meat bags are ridiculous. Machiavellian hypocrites.
How was Eve given knowledge. Explain it to me i detail. The woRD “knowledge” doesnt cut it, dickless.
Seems to me only an idiot would assume arrogance and ability were of equal yoke.
…hotfish…..The story of Eden, and the ‘tree of knowledge of good and evil’, all revolves around the Hebrew word ‘ekspateo’ (sic), meaning ‘totally seduced”. The Serpent showed Adam, through Eve, how to use sexual activity for pleasure, primarily, and procreation only secondarily.
…And we have, what we have.
Odd, seems to me that anyone who believes in a talking snake, and two people being the genetic basis for the human race, would classify as an idiot.
As for my dick, wouldn’t you like to find out…..
…jackflash…the serpent is reptilian, only in character. Its the same shapeshifter as the devil who tempted Jesus in the mountains. Offered Him the world….he could do it….he’s had the lease on this world for a long time, now. Exalts himself. Wants to set his throne on the north side….God’s place.
….Adam and Eve in the garden…eighth day creation….All ethnic races created on the sixth day.
….Look, The totality of human accomplishment owes it’s existence to you, Jack. We work like hell to get the prettiest girl, have the nicest car and all the trappings of “sexual attraction”. Where you made your mistake, is, you were very sure that sexual pleasure would have the same effect on humanity, as it does on you. That we would fall to insatiable lust, and all the sorts of perversion, you could introduce. Ha Ha, Snakeboy, humans have learned to love, have integrated sexual pleasure into circumcised lives, of honest affection and trust. I’m sorry for you, that you can never know such love. It is very nice.
What does one call you, er, Mr Snake? Now then how about you not being quite so glib in your attempt to deceive. Yahweh is totally consistent. He didn’t want His creation knowing certain things, you thought you knew better and just look where that has gotten us.
Here’s what you are glossing over, Tots, the book of Daniel was cut short so that we couldn’t circumvent prophecy, by knowing too much. This meat-bag tries not to be a deceitfully cunning hypocrite and respectfully requests you do the same, Mr Snake.
For people who claim to want the “truth”, zealots never seem to want a balanced view.
You see, God attempted to hide human nature from Adam and Eve. If he had his way, mankind would be the “sheeple” that most on this site deride. By allowing the two “original humans” to think for themselves, You were given a gift that would otherwise be denied by your “creator”. How boring would it be, if no mistakes were made; and thus, no opportunity to learn from them? All your decisions would be made for you. No control over your own mind (sound familiar?). We’d all accept what we’re told, without question. There would be no need for analytical thought, because no one would know to question.
Considering that the whole book is allegory, and myth, it really is a moot point. If the story were true, you’d owe your ability to reason to the devil….
Without evil, there is no good.
If every day is a sunny day, then what’s a sunny day?
…truethatan….How is your’s a balanced viewpoint? You see God ‘concealing’ certain things….I see it as protection from things we don’t know enough about, yet.
….Free will is what this age is ALL about. The freedom to choose between Satan and the Lord. Satan represents ‘mortality’…death… which means his sphere of influence, ends at the moment a human dies. Satan has no reach beyond the grave.
….Jesus Christ came to this earth, to demonstrate that death itself is “unreal”. That life here on this earth is just a small, insignificant fragment of the life we have in YHVH.
….Satan tries to keep attention on himself…..ALL THE SORROW AND PAIN AND DEATH…..To keep humans “in the box”…….fearful, insecure and confused.
….As more good people join the ranks of the ‘anointed’, Satan’s influence shrinks a bit.
….In the end, the only people Satan has within his influence, are those who don’t know what he is….deceptive to the ends of time. Satan will die, due to ‘free will’….the very weapon he’s used to lead mankind astray, all these thousands of years, will be his end.
There you go with the generalizing, Mr Snake, and that is deceitful. We are not told exactly which knowledge, Yahweh wished to withhold from Adam-kind, but we are given a clue. Upon their shame being revealed did Adam and Eve cover their faces or their sexy bits?
Where is it said that we weren’t going to be able to make any mistakes? Where is it said that we would be brain dead zombies? Where is the benefit from gaining carnal knowledge? Where do you get the right to second guess the Father? What makes you think i would care to join you in second guessing Yahweh Elohim?
Why are you folks so caught up on sex?
@maxjones
If the races of the world were created on the 6th day, and the Garden story took place on the 8th, doesn’t that nullify the entire belief that Adam and Eve were the first humans?
I’m quite happy that people feel love, and incorporate it’s physical act into that love. Unfortunately, those of you who engage in sex compulsively are seen as lustful, and thus, evil and Satanic.
@Mayhem
Mr. Snake will suffice.
I call into question Doug’s (I mean Yahweh) consistency. I find it odd that we demand answers from everyone BUT God. If God didn’t want humanity to know evil of any kind, why did he allow for it? Surely an omnipotent deity wouldn’t allow evil to exist, if it was within their sphere of influence. Enter the Free Will cop out. Again, my issue remains: Free will is a good thing, as long as I had nothing to do with it.
Furthermore, Yaweh’s track record of inconsistency can be found all over the Bible. Floods, the firebombing of Sodom and Gemorrah, The bet I had with him over Job; then Ishuah shows up and gives Yahweh a PR makeover. Suddenly, Yahweh is forgiving, loving, and not quite as hot-headed as he once was. I understand that people back then needed something to look forward to, because life in the Holy Land was pretty rough. It really isn’t all that surprising that Ishuah ran into the resistance he did. Challenging Holy books will do that…
….onetruth-hatin…..The bible clearly states that Adam and Eve were NOT the first people on the planet..
…..all the subterfuge that goes along with Satan’s quest to discredit the life of Jesus Christ, started at the garden of Eden. Satan knew that God had plans for his “husbandmen”, that would lead to the birth of Christ….And Satan’s own demise…..old scratch been soiling himself ever since. Whether in fear or spite, does not matter…its the same $hitty mess either way.
….As far as YHVH, and inconsistency….You can’t begin to understand the grace of the Word without real effort and honesty. And most of all, You would need to understand the being you name yourself after. Any body that buys into Satan’s lies, knowingly, gets whacked…It has never been any other way. I would say…”Read the bible”, but I know you can’t. You don’t WANT to know the truth……That would jeopardize your erroneous, senses of superiority, and invincibility. You’re just lazy and clueless.
….One truth hatin……..When the Lord created man….Satan came along behind him and sowed the ‘tares’, his ‘offspring’. When Cain slew Abel, another source of evil was introduced….Cain’s own descendants…..the Kenites, whom the LORD himself used to make sure the Jews killed Jesus…in the exact manner prophesied, As you can probably see there are lots of details you have missed in this story
….Were it not for God’s love of his children, Satan would be erased…offhand. God WANTS all of his children to join him in eternity. Even the third of them that followed Satan…He and I and you, too, know that’s not, what’s happening.
…Its free will, that actually caused the problems in the world, including Satan’s rebellion…that doesn’t change the plan at all, those that ‘choose God’…. live in eternity, those that choose evil….perish……actually very simple.
…truth hatin…..Your biggest error, in all this, is thinking that earthly existence is “real” life. Real life is only available in the presence of the Creator….You have bought a particularly evil, “bill of goods”. Your lifetime will end, and without the Lord, that end will be forever.
….You have but a short period of time to repent and get right with Jesus Christ….It is not HIS will that you perish….only you can be held responsible for your ultimate fate.
….Men are ego-driven and stubborn….even more so as they get older. You’ve still got time…but not much. Christ IS your only real hope.
……….I hear crickets….I think.
@max
You didn’t hear crickets. What you heard, was me going to work. You do have a job, right, max? If you had half a clue about me, you’d know I’m far from lazy, or stupid. I just think your mindset is narrowed.
As for my ability to read, I have read the bible. I also accept it as simply a book, no more and no less. To take it literally, is to be blinded by allegory. I can read Animal Farm, and still believe that the Bolshevik Revolution wasn’t perpetrated by barn animals.
God created man, but God also created Lucifer. Again, inconsistency in message comes into play. Seems like a dick move on the creator’s part, to set a plan in motion that jeopardizes the moral and spiritual well being of all mankind. Why would he set mankind up to fail, let alone his first and favored angel? But what do I know? I’m one of the lazy, stupid people.
Turth is a subjective thing. You sir (?), are proof of why ideas are better than belief and faith. A closed mind is a dangerous thing.
Here’s one thing Mr Snake has over the likes of you, max jones, he’ll make his stand and argue his position without swallowing the dogma of men. Unlike the Shepherds Chapel cultists, eh?
Thank you, Mayhem. We may not always agree, but at least you’re fun to engage in conversation. There’s no threat of you trying to convert me.
Think nothing of it, Mr Snake, it is decency that i defend. Max Jones has had his chance to defend his religion but chose to cry off agreeing to disagree. I’d only started on the SCN church, by that time, but i’m a patient man and there’ll be another opportunity.
May i just correct your misconception? There’s a threat alright, my friend, make no mistake. My shtick is to argue that reason, logic and sensibility are no barrier to Faith. To show that all religion is to be rightfully despised. To steal away all of the comforting/controlling lies of men…. er… AGW, for example. And to pin you down to this question “What was in the beginning?” whatever way you answer that is your faith. Since it must be faith, either way, i choose God.
…onetruesatan…Yeah, i forget about people going to work…having a schedule and all….Thank you for putting a human identity on. I find your POV interesting, and I think you are probably civilized. I’m really not an apologist….Among friends, maybe. I don’t care what anyone believes.
…..I have information, that i can share….Mayhem calls it soapboxing. But i can take a challenge most days. I’m getting better at finding what i think I need…in this digital environment.
…At the very least, you are intelligent, and you have put some serious contemplation time into it. …..I would not expect any sort of ‘knee jerk’ reactions from you.
..With that said, I’d like to say a few things about my relationship with the Lord. I’ve never known a moment when the Holy Spirit was not the center of my being. Growing up was difficult. I got beat up quite bit. I wasn’t afraid of anybody…but my dad. My dad being second generation Italian, made, being rather small, a reason to mouth off.
….from this point on, keep this bloviation, in mind when we get to “talking”.
I’m in no way opposed to the idea that The Big Bang was set in motion by a sentient being. Being that there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of that being, I’ll have to simply say that there may be something.
Personally, I tend to believe that Gods had a symbiotic relationship with Mankind. We required them, and they required our faith to stay “alive”. It may sound hokey, but it’s the idea I work with. As religions evolved along with man, from simple sun worship, the Gods being worshipped were increasingly viewed as “In man’s image”. The further we got from the actual Gods, the weaker they became. Eventually, like any other creature that eats, the Gods slowly starved, and faded away. That’s why the earth is in such rough shape. We’ve been on our own for millennia, now.
Much like anything else mankind gets hold of, we killed them.
That’s why my faith is in myself.
I hate to be a bother, but I’m not up on my acronyms. Could you explain SCN church, and AGW?
Thanks.
I agree with most of your position and life view. I was where you are as little as 3 years ago and had found out we’re lied to all the freaking time. I’ve got a list of them and if you stick around you’ll see i’m not one for blowing my own trumpet, much, and i generally keep my mouth shut unless i have a clue what i’m on about. All boasting aside
AGW= Anthropogenic Global Warming, meaning “man-made”
SCN is Max’s Rabbi’s outfit. Shepherds Chapel something or other.
I know I’m setting myself up for the obligatory comments, but here goes.
I was raised in a Eastern European Catholic home. Not in Eastern Europe, mind you. I was an altar boy (not the kind you read about, I was never molested). As I grew older, I struggled with faith. No matter what religious texts I read, no matter who I looked to, one constant remained universal: I was always told to “Just believe”. I never found God (I even looked behind my couch) in anything offered by any religion. All claim to have the “Word” of God, but all the texts were written by men. Hence, they are fallible, and open to scrutiny. I’m human-ish, so I’ll interpret what I read, in the frame of reference from which I interpret everything. As a Human (sort of).
The closest I ever came, in my adult life, to religion of any sort, was LaVeyan Satanism. In particular, the writing of William H. Gilmore; the present Grand Magus. In it, I found the ability to throw away the guilt that accompanied my many flaws. I learned to accept my shortcomings, and found the ability to turn these “negatives” into positives. I found my solace in the Atheistic viewpoint, that wasn’t entirely Atheistic. It was perfect for an Agnostic that was willing to question Agnosticism.
I accept Deities as personifications of parts of Human existence. Yaweh (or whatever), being light, Satan being dark, Siva being creation and destruction, etc. I’m open to other views on the matter, but scripture and dogma are not what I consider to be legitimate proof.
Hope this clarifies thing for further interactions.
Cheers
…onetruth….God created Lucifer. Gave him title of Cherubim, and a very important job. One day, Lucifer, used free will, and rebelled. Freewil became the ‘In’ thing, and an additional 1/3 of the population of Heaven, recognized Lucifer as deity. Satan was crowned. He promptly set out to “satisfy”, himself…The bad part about that is, he’s getting damn hard to satisfy.
If I may interject, and explain my surprise.
I am not surprised at Mr. Snake (if I may call you Mr. Snake).
I am surprised at Mayhems stated position as I had not realized his feelings in this area before.
Previous interactions/lengthy discussions with mayhem lead me to believe otherwise. Please over look my confusion.
@ max
I’ve commented in another post, that I won’t condemn Scriptures of any religious type. They give comfort and solace, Just as LeVey and Gilmore’s works did for me. However, as it pertains to the Bible, I can honestly ask “Who says?” For those who would say it’s “The Word of God”, think about that, for a moment. If someone came to you with a book, and said that God wrote it through his hand, what would your honest reaction be? Now, consider multiple people saying the same thing. Would you compile the books, and tout them as the true word?
This applies to the above article. These “lost books of the bible” keep popping up. The Gnostic Gospels, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and now the Sealed Book of Daniel. How quickly would the devout assimilate these “lost books” into their belief system? If faith were taken out of the equation, what is the likelihood of any of this to have any real impact on the lives of fundamentalist believers?
I could very easily be considered a fundie. However, I do read every “lost book” that I can access.
I find a great deal of what is contained in those books is simply a rewording of what is already within the bible. Some is not. Has anything I read within the lost books affected my faith? That would be a resounding ‘No.’
By the same token, nothing within those ‘lost books’ has not easily fit quite nicely within the realms of possibility. If God created the Heavens and Earth……then He can do anything….and why would anything within shake my faith?
But the Bible is my Stronghold.
@ CrowPie
Hey, whatever gets ya through the day. If you find comfort in your book, who am I to judge?
Faith can be a good thing. My experience has been that faith (especially around here) gets used as a weapon, or as a justification to cause harm to others. To me, that’s unacceptable.
Well, it’s been fun. I’m going back to the pit, now.
…Onetruth….Prophecy is the key. For instance… the Crucifixion of Jesus was described in the old testament, right down to how the Roman soldiers cast lots for His clothes…foretold over a thousand years before it happened. Every day the news programs, show us prophecy fulfilled.
…Of course I look for these things automatically….that’s where my interest is….It wouldn’t even come into play, without interest and familiarity with the scriptures. I can guarantee that more bible prophecy has been “realized” in the last hundred years, than any other hundred year period.
…When a prediction is realized…and the next prediction, from the same source, is realized, it raises the mathematical odds of the next one being accurate, slightly. If it should start to stack up on the “realized”, side, the odds go way up that the next one will be too…..Well, I am hooked. There are many things that I know are happening, now, that were foretold thousands of years ago. Important things that have to do with the fate of mankind.
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You display a great deal of courage in sharing your testimony, Mr Snake, and i commend you for doing so. Yes i will have a bit to say but i’m not a Bible salesman so lets look at this reasonably. Your suspicion regarding Catholicism is well founded and evidences your ability to discern Truth. I’m not against catholics just their church and fully accept that many of the laity are earnestly seeking Salvation. But more on that in a moment.
I will never tell you what to believe just as i will never tell you what the Bible means, only what it says. I want you to know that we are given permission to question God, His Word and the Prophets, we are promised we will be forgiven our doubts. So get stuck in, Bro, and ask your questions, i for one gain a great deal in my fallible attempts to answer them. Before long you will notice that there are two camps claiming Faith. One group is busy telling anyone, who will listen, how much study they’ve done, how they know beyond all doubt that they are saved and how they and God are this close. I will not be one of those for i am a sinner and sinners have no claim.
It might be of some benefit to understand that there are a small group of Faithful here and at least one of them will be reading our exchange. They will be checking that i don’t deviate from His Truth. They will not hesitate to jump in and question my position should i stray from the narrow path. It is this threat of correction that lends any credibility to my opinion, any and all credibility. Plus: when we presume to teach, to judge and to rebuke we are warned, in no uncertain terms, that we are making a rod for our own back. Warned that our judgement will be tenfold that of the Agnostics, and that i am prepared to risk a greater fall is where my courage is found.
Now then: is it possible your distaste for religious indoctrination is based in the following argument? You’d read the bit about calling no man Father, scratched your head and looked up at the dude in the costume. And thought to yourself: huh? You’d read the bit about vain repetitions and looked around only to notice that nearly everyone was playing with some beads and muttering repeated incoherencies. And thought to yourself: WTF? You’d read the part about worshiping false idols, looked around the church. And thought to yourself: if it looks like dog du-du and smells like it, is there any need to taste it?
We, both, have never been able to find God in any religion. Not one of the 4,000 flavours know who He is and they are welcome to argue the point with me. I freaking despise them all. There is only one fundamental difference between Faith and Satanism and it centers around responsibility. My Faith makes me answerable for my actions and life whereas the alternative relieves me of that burden and that is what makes it attractive. I don’t think you have any difficulty standing behind what you believe or standing up for your opinions therefore Satanism has nothing to offer you.
Elsewhere you had asked a question regarding Biblical inconsistencies. I ignored the question, as put, because it would require that i apologize for half of the Old Testament. If you would care to address these so called inconsistencies, one by one, i will address them. You’ll soon see that they can, almost, be counted on one hand and that by allowing the Bible to explain itself, they will melt away and be of no consequence.
Would you read an article that claims to have the proof you are looking for? The link below will take you to a paper that concisely and briefly lays out the evidence and goes beyond the written record examining the historical record and sciences in light of The Word. http://www.bibleevidences.com/
My King. I wonder, do you know Him? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUpO9vT04GY
@CrowPie. You’ve lost me, girlfriend, what is the big surprise?
“My Faith makes me answerable for my actions and life whereas the alternative relieves me of that burden and that is what makes it attractive.”
That is well-said, sir.
Don’t think I’ve ever heard the idea expressed so clearly before. Moreover, I don’t think I’ve ever expressed it to MYSELF as clearly.
Me like.
@Mayhem
“I agree with most of your position and life view. I was where you are as little as 3 years ago and had found out we’re lied to all the freaking time.”
That was a major shock for me……I’m sure it is because your steadfast in your practice of your faith ……
You self-absorbed christ-OIDS just BABBLE ON among yourselves, and just argue and argue, helping to reinforce the “Delusion Illusion” of the white-skinned mangod FABLE!
You christians are the CREEPIEST “people’ on this planet!
“I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off.
So I ran over and said ‘Stop! don’t do it!’
‘Why shouldn’t I?’ he said.
I said, ‘Well, there’s so much to live for!’
He said, ‘Like what?’
I said, ‘Well…are you religious or atheist?’
He said, ‘Religious.’
I said, ‘Me too! Are you Christian or Buddhist?’
He said, ‘Christian.’
I said, ‘Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?’
He said, ‘Protestant.’
I said, ‘Me too!
Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?’
He said, ‘Baptist!’
I said, ‘Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist church of god or Baptist church of the lord?’
He said, ‘Baptist church of god!’
I said, ‘Me too! Are you original Baptist church of god, or are you reformed Baptist church of god?’
He said, ‘Reformed Baptist church of god!’
I said, ‘Me too! Are you reformed Baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed Baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?’
He said, ‘Reformed Baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!’
I said, ‘Die, heretic scum,’ and pushed him off.”
And, that, amer0christo-CREEPS, sums up your vile, violent, Gutter Creed!
*Cheshire Cat grin* You obviously haven’t paid close attention to the names in this particular conversation.
Mr. theonetruesatan and Mayhem were having a discussion.
You are remiss in your classification of Christoids in Mr. Snakes case. I have found the conversation to be a very enlightening read. Maybe you should try it…..
CrowPie,
Of course I read the whole, long, boring, thread first, and found it to be “light-hearted” self absorbed verbal dribble with no value at all!
That is why I posted a comment!
To break the hypnotic “christo-chain!
Glad I broke you out of your self-induced “christian haze”!!!!
I am sorry you found it boring. What, exactly, should we add in future conversations to better entertain you?
Hiya, angry injun, have you seen George Carlin do that joke? Similar punch line and pretty funny if you ask me.
Oh i see: you’ve read my testimony haven’t you, CrowPie? I’ll trot that old chestnut out at the drop of a hat. Don’t get me started, it’s book length
up till 3 years ago i felt the sheer weight of opinion stacked against me and that i must be the one reading the Bible all wrong.
Apart from that i’m a bit of an electric monk and by that i mean i know how to ask my search engine the right questions. That’s why i’m always freaking out that Mr Beef will come down on me like a ton of bricks, because there’s every likelihood i’ll fu… er… stuff something up eventually
No, beefy, I mean May Hem, the fem blend of BEEF JERKY!!
Your ‘white-skin” is going to be hated, worldwide!
You will wish you were injun lookin then, arse hole!
George Carlin NEVER said this!
YOU made that up to discredit the truth of the story, which was a direct quote of Emo Phillips!
You also “made it up” to “look smart”!!
Which, you are NOT smart, May girl!
YOU KNOW NOTHING, jed!
GET an “eternal existence Memory” for yourself, May girl, and your “Doubt” and “fits of “Self-torture” and “Delusion” will just, like magic, go away!
NO white-skinned mangod comes to save you, jed!
YOU are nothing ‘special” at all!
Me Angry? Rarely. Just a very dry sense of humor.
And no, I have tried to watch Mr. Carlin, he is funny….but he disturbs some of my tender sensibilities. (Big grin here.)
Thank you for the laugh you two. You both read me wrong. Angry Injun is the first name i knew for Sheep Rider 1, America Be Damned, Tiger Lady or whatever else he calls himself.
And no Sheepster! George Carlin’s version was a little different. The guy gets shot when he finally gets the question wrong. It’s pretty funny. So is your joke, i laughed when i first read it a couple of days ago. Well done ya nutjob. Calm down and carry on.
Well good. Glad to know I’ve done something wrong and made you laugh. That’s a rare occasion.
Usually I get the knife and never know why…..
May Hem, on your knees, spirit SLAVE, and worship the image of “your” white-skinned mangod!
LIAR!
Deceiver!
Knower of NOTHING!
Believer of ANYTHING!
Because, if you really do ‘believe’ that a white-skinned mangod caused the creation of the BIG BANG (another white-skinned scientific delusion),
YOU WILL ‘Believe’ anything!!!!!
MORON!
For christ, and “your” reward, May girl, fem beefy bot, of course!
Oh, and take “your” “faith”, and shove it up your worthless, know NOTHING arse, may Hem, the fem Blend of jed’s BEEF JERKY!!!!
Hey, how’s the weather in NJ??
Who is Emo Phillips? Is that who they made the tickle me Emo doll after?
Why, CowPlop, Why don’t you show me that ‘female” intelligence, and conduct your OWN search on the name “Elmo Phillips”!
You are acting just like the Beef JERKY arse hole you are, by coming back, with your christo-VAMPIRE like compulsion of “having the last word” on any thread!
For, that IS the WAY OF THE BEEF JERKY, and, you CowPie, the “other’ Pen name of BEEF JERKY!!
A christo-VAMPIRE, on the loose on BIN, full of “untie all the knots’ types of irresistible christo-compulsion!
OK, Beefy boy, YOUR TURN, you douche bag (for christ, of course)!!!!!
Where is your sense of humor? I have not insulted you by calling you any names. I have not insulted your beliefs, nor your behaviors.
I simply playfully asked a silly little question in the wrappings of a joke.
Now why all the acrimony?
@Mayhem
My disillusionment with Catholicism and Christianity as a whole came not from the hipocrysies of the dogma. It didn’t even have to do with the silly robes. My problem with Christianity stems from the fact that no matter how you live your life, no matter how pious and charitable you are; no matter if you did your best to live up to the expectations of the faith, you were still a sinner. To live up to Christian standards is a lesson in futility. I just had enough of the guilt.
As for me being a Satanist, I am not. Much like most religions, I find the things I like, and incorporate them into how I live. Hell, even Islam has it’s good points.
LaVey Satanism is very grounded in personal responsibility. It doesn’t promote inflicting intentional harm on anyone; and if you do, you have no one to blame for the repercussions, but yourself. Conversely, the same is to be expected of all others, as being a doormat is weakness. Submission to any person or deity is not an option, to a LaVeyan. Most see the name LaVey, or Satanism, and conjure up images of people in black drinking baby’s blood, and attempting to conjure the devil. I found it to be quite the opposite.
My apologies for taking so long to reply. Got busy.
@Lord and America, be damned
The comedian in question is EMO Phillips. He’s absolutely hilarious. Carlin’s better, though.
Yes, yes, we get it. The White devil is the root of all evil.
Yes, yes, we get it. The historical Jesus (if he truly existed) was dark complexioned. He probably had a Jew ‘Fro, and sucked at sports, too. Big deal.
Yes, yes, we get it. All Christians are vampires, demons, and closet satanists (especially Catholics).
How about a new record?
@max jones
Prophecy is key to my dislike of Christianity. All the Crucifixion story proves is that someone read the Old Testament, and wrote the New Testament to show that the prophecy came true. Again, when blind Faith is taken out of the equation, prophecy rarely stands up to scrutiny. I’m no student of prophecy, but given that there’s an entire industry that caters to believers (Dr. Turi, I’m looking in your direction), it seems that if you have a good grasp of human behaviour and social trends, any prophecy can come true. You just need to be willing to be lax in your interpretation of the details (KOS, now it’s your turn). This is not to say that there haven’t been “prophets” with somewhat decent track records, but again, I’m willing to bet they were students of human behaviour, and society in general.
I liken prophets to astrologers who post Horoscopes in news papers. Any vague statement can become truth. You just have to believe.
Monsieur Beelzebub,
A study of the STUDY of prophecy might spin your wheels in a new direction. Take, for example, the academic community in the face of one Old Testament Book in particular – that of the Prophet Isaiah. The ‘doctors’ have, in this instance, been out-matched and out-classed at every turn. They can’t agree amongst themselves any more than the religionists can agree to the meaning of prophecy yet future.
Most telling of all, perhaps, is one important fact: The ‘doctors’ have a fatal flaw built into their system of analysis. They ELIMINATE the very possibility that the prophetic Scriptures are what they purport themselves to be, BEFORE their examination has even begun. You may notice immediately that in doing so, theirs is a methodology the exact opposite of any scientific method. The scientific method would have the advertisement of authenticity scrutinized first as a possibility, rather than rejected out-of-hand.
A targeted study of the academic ‘students’ themselves will reveal in short order just exactly how full of malarkey they are. This, then, begs a host of other questions.
Sometimes the head-on approach can be the stingiest yield of fruit-producing ventures.
It’s all good, Mr Snake, you’ll find the group of Faithful have patience up the wazoo. Your thoughts interest me and i see great value, for myself, in engaging with you.
Not today though: it’s all ready new year in NZ and yesterday i had three teeth pulled plus five others filled and capped. That’s not normally a big deal but the dental assistant was full of the lurgy and now so am i. At a guess i’m going to stalk the hallways grouching at folk, today and i bet i’ll have nothing constructive to say for another couple of days. I’m human and today i hate everyone equally.
In another thread, where you were asking for evidence aside from the Bible, i provided a link that canvassed evidence for the Bible, did you take a look? I left a list of Roman scholars who hated the very idea of a Saviour but still wrote of Jesus in their work. Wrote about Jesus, not about some guy who could be mistaken for Jesus if you squinted, stood on one foot and did away with all reason, logic and sensibility. It doesn’t bother me, if you didn’t read it, i’ll just presume the horse wasn’t thirsty.
There’s another fantastic link that looks at the mathematical probability of 2,000 out of the 2,500 prophecies being fulfilled. Any good at math, sir? The odds equate to more than the number of atoms in the entire known universe. Forget about counting grains of sand, buddy, the chance that the Bible is not Truth does not statistically exist.
Regarding sin: the reason we can’t claim to be above sin is a little thing called original sin. Know what that is? An example would be children, raised in a christian family and cloistered away from the world still grow up thinking they can get away with lying about having their hand in the cookie jar. The question becomes: where did they learn to lie and steal?
May i introduce Mr Beef Supreme, this gentleman is one of those i alluded to who will not allow me to sell anyone a bill of goods. He is not here to defend me, we defend The Inspired Word.
As a final thought, since you seem to be impressed by scholars, would you care to attempt an explanation for why the faith is disproportionately represented among the sciences?
Happy New Year, Folks.
Hope you feel better, Mayhem.
@Mr. Beefy
You bring up a good point. If your mind is made up, it’s impossible to acheive an objective result. As a committed Agnostic, I’m not above admitting that I don’t know. I try my best to approach everything with an open mind, but when things are shamelessly inventive, or easily shot down by even the weakest reasoning, how is one to keep one’s mind open?
As you have probably noticed, I’m love film and music quotes.
Quote from Mr. Black in “The Sunset Limited”:
” I think of myself as a questioner. That’s different from a doubter. See, a questioner wants to find the truth. A doubter wants to hear that there’s no such thing.”
It’s been a while, but I think the quote is close, and gets the point across.
El Versus Satanás wrote:
“I think of myself as a questioner.”
Splendid. And I mean that sincerely. That’s like being a ‘lieutenant’ thinker. One promotion away from the coveted status.
“…when things are shamelessly inventive, or easily shot down by even the weakest reasoning, how is one to keep one’s mind open?”
When things ARE shamelessly inventive, there isn’t much need for enthusiastic examination. But I have a statement followed by a question…
Statement: The Wicked have a nasty habit of concocting easily recognizable frauds and placing them side-by-side with authentic and original material. The Wicked does this to conflate, to confuse, to confound and to obscure the legitimate.
Question: Do you have any examples directly from the Bible which you feel qualify as being ‘shamelessly inventive’? You no doubt have many such examples ready to hand, which find their origins amongst the absurd traditions and teachings of various religionist institutions. But do you have any straight from the Book?
He might not answer our questions but i’m sure he sees them and i’m picking he’s been doing a bit of thinking lately. I wonder if he’s starting to notice the word can’t be beat when it’s wielded honestly and diligently.
For any that are interested, here is how the Magi used the The book of Daniel to figure out about when the Messiah would be born and how the isolated Jesus from the other children born about the same time.
APPENDIX C
HOW THE MAGI FOUND JESUS
http://www.barry.warmkessel.com/2002Paper.html#APPENDIX C
This web page is generally about finding the orbital parameters of a massive body in the outer solar system, and it not intended to be a religious discourse.
Thank you all for your interest in this subject.
I reached out to The Chronicle Project and asked them for information on Daniel Chapters 11 & 12 and will be posting when complete. They did provide Daniel 12:4 which I found most interesting due to some of the comments to this article. I have posted an update and included the updated text above in blue.
Have you seen this yet?
http://rikijo.blogspot.com
Wake up People!
Mayhem
I’m really impressed I liked your comment to snake, you hang in there bro. Ill pray for ya. I can tell God is dealing with your heart
Thank you, messengermark, i will pass your compliment on to my Editor in Chief. If there is anything of value in my writing it comes not from me but from He who guides me. All glory to the Father.
I’m not trying to upset you but i’m entirely uncomfortable having you pray for me. Are you praying to the God of the Bible or the one that the so called doctor Arnold Murray taught you? I’m not at all convinced that they are one and the same.
…mayhem…I’ve not heard anything from you that would make me think we are NOT, brothers in Christ. I’m usually here to ridicule the ridiculous…..
….Arnold Murray was a highly respected scholar. I am truly blessed to have had him in my life the last 20 years.
…If you and I have disagreed about anything, it was probably not doctrine, but “presentation”, that hampered communication.
…Who watched that Cowboys game???
In the main the doctrine of the Shepherds Chapel is one of the more robust and there is a great deal to be gained by studying with the late Mr Murray. However there comes a time when an earnest seeker will have to depart this teacher in order to remain faithful to the word. To be clear my objection runs something like this…
SCN dogma claims that Elohim is used in it’s original plural construct whereas we moderns have capitalized it to indicate “Most High God”. Yes; elohim does mean gods but nowhere is it anything other than singular when applied to God the Father. The “our” and “us” of Gen 1:26 is referring to the Godhead. Which is one, as you well know.
SCN dogma states that Cain was the offspring of Eve and Satan and that the Caanites and Kenites are tribes from Cain’s line. This is not supported by Scripture or History.
SCN dogma claims the flood only “more or less” wiped out everybody who wasn’t on the Ark and while that might be so it is not what the Bible says.
Arnold Murray claims to be God’s exclusive end time messenger and denigrated all those who didn’t follow him as deceived, occultist or both. Yes he did. He also subtly pressured folk to choose between his, self claimed, prophetic word or the doctrine of the Pharisees of churchianity. Not to mention his habit of only referring to the original languages when they can be construed as supporting his position. Sometimes he was right and at other times he was just making stuff up off the top of his head, it seemed.
So i do see some fundamental problems, max jones, but readily accept that your heart is in the right place as you earnestly seek the knowledge required to achieve the next life. I don’t think that you, personally, are a bad person but i do want you to heed the voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
….mayhem….I’ve only heard Arnold define Elohim, as God and the angels…..
….Like I’ve said before, nobody has been able to challenge that Cain is the son of Satan….
….that was speculative at best, what he said was “Either Noah had a mating pair of every racial sample, or, the flood didn’t kill everyone”…(paraphrased)
….I’ve never heard Arnold claim he was the ‘only’ anything…He ridiculed the ridiculous…so do I.
I don’t believe Arnold could ever sound that proud…find me proof.
….I can tell, that you “read about” Arnold, and maybe watched a couple of broadcasts…and now you sound like you are an expert……I beg your pardon.
…..I can tell you this…He conveys more truth, word for word than any of you guys that think 3000 word posts are ever gonna get read…or keep anybody’s attention, long enough to get it read.
…..He knew what he was doing and why…..can you say the same? still love ya pookie
The Angels are elohim? Let us look to the word…
Jude 1:6. And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Acts 27:23. For there stood by me this night the angel of God, whose I am, and whom I serve,
Matthew 24:36. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
… will you still claim that Angels are equal with God?
…mayhem… the suffix…”..im” designates a plural…such as ‘Nephelim’, or Nethinim……a homogeneous group of individuals. Elohim,,,you say is a group of Supreme Beings? A cadre of YHVH’s? i can’t accept that at all.
Max,
Psalm 82:1
A Psalm of Asaph.
God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
And check it out in Hebrew, Max:
We get: Elohim one being stationed in congregation of El in-within-of Elohim
Is there ONE YHWH? Or is YHWH ECHAD?
H259 אחד ‘echâd ekh-awd’
A numeral from H258; properly united, that is, one; or (as an ordinal) first: – a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any (-thing), apiece, a certain [dai-] ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
….There is one God, YHVH.
“Elohim,,,you say is a group of Supreme Beings? A cadre of YHVH’s?”
No this is not what i’m saying. Yahweh is Elohim is the Father is the Most High of Hosts. There is one, the great I AM.
…mayhem…I just had a gnat stuck in my eye…..I’ll reread the verses and see.
…Well I consulted with my scripture lawyer, and she told me that I was stupid to let ya’ll drag me into one of your ‘dogfights’………have fun….
Well you did ask, Max. Love you too pookie.
Hey Sheep Rider 1 (you can have first place, no argument) where’s the 10 or 12 votes? I miss that. You have provided some of the gem moments of my holiday, so far, with your sock puppetry.
Why don’t you get em out in this thread, do it now. Dance for me baby. Wheeeeeee!
And how would i know what the weather’s like on the Jersey side? It was a lovely mid seventies, low humidity with gentle breezes for me today. Nuclear free too
moo!
Let me learn you a little about Fukushima. Once it is fully diluted into the Pacific Ocean, alone, it will contribute about 0.1% to the normal background radiation.
Here’s a knot for you to untie. Find out how much nuke material was on site and divide that into the volume of the Pacific. You’ll find the information on your internets.
Fukushima was a catastrophe for Japan, mildly concerning for Hawaii and ho hum, mores the pity to the rest of us. Stop drinking the kool-ade
What would i know about nukes? My neighbour was the first person in the whole wide world to split the atom but we all thought he was crazy too. Sorry Mr Rutherford.
Well, get right out there, christo-creep know it all, and show me it is safe to do so!
You know, new Zealand white-skinned invader boy, the Chinese got a big, fat X on your puny islands because of the HAARP Facility your government let the united Fraudulent Fascist states of MILITARY TORTURE and TERROR put on your PUNY islands in the middle of NOWHERE, and, the Chinese just want “your’ island, and will take it from you as easily, or even more easily, then your virus like white-skinned Caucasian christian Plague took it from the peoples who were there BEFORE your vile, violent, HOARDING Race showed up to TAKE IT (for christ, of course)!
So, may hem, bi girl, enjoy while you still can!!!!!!!
Oh, and in your waters, and in your air, are PLEANTY of HOT particles, and all other types of nuclear isotopes!
Ever hear of Fukajimi IN JAPAN, IDIOT BOY????
Go outside, and breathe in deeply, please.
Go for a swim in the pacific, all around “your” islands!
Eat lots of fish caught in the pacific! Fish is good for you, May hem, YOU BELIEVING FOOL of a so-called Human Being!!!!
Oh, and you KNEW, RIGHT OF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, WHAT NJ MEANT!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I mean beefy boy, you are NOT stealthy AT ALL, jed, I mean may hem, the bi girl!!!!
Oh, yea, and you are in New ZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEland, right now!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Yes……but while those rods sit….hot……side by side…….waiting for another earthquake to rattle them around enough to bump into one another……..when and if they DO,,,,bump into one another…….BOOM.
Over and over thousands of times. (My brother in law is a nuclear physicist)
I can learn you about the HAARP thing too if you like. I know all about it, like how it got scrapped when it did nothing more than make it easier to communicate with submarines half way around the world. We don’t have a HAARP facility. We have a five eyes snooping post. Gee, rent a clue will ya?
Maybe just cut back on the kool-ade for now. Cold turkey might send your system into shock.
Come now CrowPie. If Fukushima was to have a release of the worst kind it would be another tragedy for Japan and not much more besides that. I’d have to check my figures but i think the worst possible outcome adds less than 10% to the total amount of nukes we’ve ever messed about with. World wide, ever.
If one of those rods explodes….they all will. Chain reaction. Do you not know how many thousands of rods are there?
Not off the top of my head i don’t. But i recall that the tonnage didn’t seem significant when compared to the sum total of nukes that we’ve let off so far, especially when added to the reactors that went postal.
It’s going to be alright and i’m the first to agree that we shouldn’t ought to be messing with stuff we can’t fully control. Speaking of which: there is a way to use nukes in a fail safe system but it’s expensive. Oh yes; we allow nuclear power plants to endanger us because we are too cheap to do the job properly.
My other neighbour, Sheepy, bought an american motorcycle and made it go faster than anyone else could ever manage. We thought he was a bit mad too. He used to do his lawns with a couple of gallons of petrol and a zippo.
That must hurt your Yankee pride
A Kiwi guy built the worlds fastest Indian 
Hey Crow,
Ask your brother what happens when the “rods” (now, OUTSIDE of the “concrete containment field and melting through he earth) hit a large water filled aquifer underground????
Oh, and douche bag may girl,
You can answer “any” question, BUT, that certainly DOES NOT MAKE IT ACCURATE, or true!
Anything out of a white-skinned mangod believer’s mouth is………..tainted with the “DOGMA of Death” and Servatuidue.
NO ONE is BORN with SIN!
PERIOD!!
And, since that “Original sin” male-made “mental construct” is the KEY to producing “Guilt” in the Victim, the rest of “your” BOOK OF BABBLE is all LIES!
Answer the question, you conveniently forgot to provide a VAMPIRE like christ-oid answer for (after all may girl, you have an answer for everything, YOU ARE “ENLIGHTENED BY “GOD”????)!!!!. Here IT is again! Your “skipped” question.
Will you “service” “your” white-skinned mangod if commanded by HIM to do so in your wonderful mass hallucination of “white-skinned mangod heaven??
ANSWER THE QUESTION, know it all!!!!!!!!!
You are the MORONS that think you will be in human bodies forever!
So, you MUST have an answer, eh, douche bag?
Have you EVER thought about “Sex in heaven”, numb nut???????
Hey May Hem the mangod sucker!
Literally!
Is that what you hope for in the after like, may bi????
You going to personally service ‘your” white-skinned mangod “on command”??
Will you do so, if commanded by “your” white-skinned mangod??
Just askin, zombie christ-OID!!!!!!!
“untie all the knots”
i love how you go to so much trouble to hurl my words back at me. Dance for me, do it now 
Oh, god, I am laughing so HARD at you, may girl
THAT I AM CRYING:!:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
It is ALWAYS a pleasure to mentally torment you, May hem!!!!
Now, write me your christ-OID RESPONSE, BLOW-HARD BOY (FOR CHRIST, OF COURSE)!!!!!!!!
Wow, dude. You seem to be really hung up on male genetalia. Not that there’s anything wrong with that……
Is there something you’d like to share with the class? Preferably, with your pants up……
Great article, thanks for posting. We live in very troubled and exciting times. God bless us with more grace daily to be able to overcome.
what makes this SDH legitimate?
the new translation does not make much sense…and it omits the word Moschiah ( Messiah)….so whose idea was this to change the meaning?
I Read your question and posed it to the Chronicle Project. Here is their reply:
Rather than try to explain SDH (Self-Defining Hebrew) here, one can read the research notes to explain it and why you cannot fake the meaning of a word when it is applied.
http://thechronicleproject.org/PDF1/researchnotesmaster.pdf
What can be noted here though, is that using SDH, each word must have only one meaning when it is used in every appearance of it when restoring texts. Let’s be clear this is not a translation but a restoring of the original hebrew concepts. The present translations have up to 84 different English words for a single Hebrew one. This is not uncommon and allows the translators to mold the sentences to their doctrine.
The word that appears in Daniel that has been translated as Messiah, is only translated that way here, and only here. Otherwise, when it appears with this exact spelling, it is accompanied by the word Cohen or priest. The actual word Messiah, comes from the Hebrew word meaning… “to anoint.” It is a three letter word. The word here looks like it, but has an extra letter (glyph) and is actually the word… “to consider,” with a prefix in front, meaning… “that”. So the word is not…Messiah, but… “that to consider.” As I mentioned before, it is usually used next to the word Cohen and means the high priest, “the priest, that to consider.” Knowing this, we understand that of the people being selected for deportation, Jesus would obviously not be in this list, but the high priest was.
That is why the word Messiah does not appear in the properly restored piece.
I hope that answers the question sufficently for your readers, please thank them all for the interest in our work.
Chris
thechronicleproject.org