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10 Bible Verses Prove There Is No “Secret Rapture” During The Great Tribulation

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Aug 3, 2015 @ 6:08 PM

By Eliseo Santos

www.emergingtruth.net

Many Christians today agree that we are living in the End Times. But, not all Christians agree over the exact events which will take place in the End Times.

Many agree that the Jesus Christ will soon make His long-awaited 2nd Coming.  But, many disagree over what the Bible says about the Great End Times tribulation. Now more than ever, we need for a reliance on Jesus Christ to stand by us during the most difficult times that have ever existed for Christians.  This is especially true when the New World Order goes from being a popular conspiracy theory to a conspiracy fact.

In the same way,  the Three Hebrew Youths of Daniel 3 were thrown into the fire for upholding God’s law and Ten Commandments, so will many Christians today who will uphold the Principles and Commandments of God in these End Times will be thrown into the fire of persecution.But just like in the events of Daniel 3, the three Hebrew youths were not harmed by the fire of tribulations because they were with the Son of God, Jesus Christ.

Here are the Ten Quotes  that show why the “Secret Rapture” theory is an error that no Christian should believe.

10. Deuteronomy 4:29-31

29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the Lord thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

30 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the Lord thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;

31 (For the Lord thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

 

The special part of this quote is that it is from the Times of Moses and yet God was aware of the terrible times that await those in the End Times which are the times we find ourselves living today. God around 1500 B.C. – during the times of Moses already knew that His people would go through an intense tribulation in the End Times, which would need an even closer personal connection with God to be saved and found worthy of entering in Kingdom of heaven.

9. Matthew 13:20-21

20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same it he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

This verse shows the true Christian is one who endures tribulation and persecution for Jesus’s sake. The type of person that Jesus describes is one that should cause a withdrawal,from the world and a person who dies to many of the desires of world and the flesh in these End Times.

8. Daniel 3:15-18

15 Now if ye be ready that at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the image which I have made; well: but if ye worship not, ye shall be cast the same hour into the midst of a burning fiery furnace; and who is that God that shall deliver you out of my hands?

16 Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter.

17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.

18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up

Three Hebrew Youths who are thrown to furnace by King  Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, for upholding the 2ndCommandment of God.and not bowing down to a statue or serving, or eating food sacrificed unto idols. The story of the Three Hebrew Youths in the Book of Daniel  is an example of the events that occur during the great tribulation.

What makes this time of tribulation so important is that it comes as a result of a decree of a human authority claiming to  be god when he is made of the same flesh and bones, as any human being, and yet seeks to break the Ten Commandments of God by imposing on all citizens a nationally enforced Sunday law as a false day of worship.

The Three Hebrew Youths that were thrown into the intense fiery furnace is an example of how in these End-Times many Christians will be thrown into intense persecution that will not only test the limits of the body, but also of the mind and soul. However, unlike what many believe, God instead of taking His people out of tribulation will walk with them during tribulation.

God’s people will have to learn in a relatively short amount of time to purify themselves from the corruption of the world, and rely solely on God for salvation from the intense persecutions that will be planned for many of God’s people in these End-Times.

There will be a number of martyrs during this time of intense persecution as a result of not taking the Mark of the beast, which is nationally enforced Sunday law. However, even if you die then you will be resurrected during the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ.

There will be a small number of people who are now living on the earth that will live through this time of intense persecution and they will survive out of the mercy and grace of God and Jesus Christ. Which means that this special group will have a privilege of living their entire lives and not seeing death on earth, like Enoch and Elijah.

7. Matthew 24:20-22 –

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

Jesus tells us here in Matthew 24:20 -22 to pray that “flight” be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day, meaning that the best thing any of God’s people can do during the End times is to pray for God’s guidance to avoid the upcoming Great Tribulation that will  come upon not only God’s people, but the world.

6. John 16:32-33 –

32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

In verse 33, Jesus establishes that tribulation is an inevitable part of life on earth that Christians can’t escape, because eventually you will be confronted for your beliefs in Christ and bear testimony to Christ and the things Christ has done for you in your life. But Christ, also reminds his followers to be of good cheer to remember that Christ overcame the world, which in the end makes all the difference.

 

 Continue to Read here: https://emergingtruth.net/10-bible-verses-prove-there-is-no-secret-rapture-during-the-great-tribulation/ 



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    • Truthseeker

      Good job, but do not expect those demanding to be ‘snatched’ from this world to understand or accept.

      They believe because they have accepted Jesus in to their heart – what ever that means – they do not have to endure until the end as Jesus Christ told us we must.

      Because they sometimes went to church on Sunday and had a great time at xmas and had easter egg hunts they have “qualified”.

      They are covered by grace which is a get out of jail free pass — they have to ‘do’ nothing, no commandments etc and unlike the Apostles and many many others that were stoned to death, burned to death or had their heads cut off these are “special” folks and God loves them more then Isaiah and all the others of God that mankind rent into pieces.

    • Emergingtruth

      Thanks, the “secret rapture” theory does a lot of damage to the Christian faith. It is misdirects an individual’s faith to things in which God does not do because it’s not found in the Bible. If they believe Jesus came and died for us and resurrected, then an individual will put their faith into practice by enduring tribulation for Christ. Then God will showcase His power and intervention in their lives. But God’s love is so great that even if a Christian dies for His faith in Christ, then Jesus at the 2nd coming of Christ will resurrect them to eternal life.

      • Truthseeker

        emergingtruth

        I do not believe it does damage to the Saints of God as I view so called christians as the 4000 flavors of confusion called christianity. The 4000 flavors are 99.99% of what is called christian today.

        The vast majority of what claims to be christian is NOT.

        Out of the thousands of divisions, which would you say are of God?

        God is not confusion as they are.

        God is not divided as they are.

        • Emergingtruth

          You’re right, God is not a God of confusion. This is why in Revelation 18:1-5, God will announces the end or fall of Babylon, which is the end of the spiritual confusion caused by the beast empire, which is the Roman papacy.

          God wants His people to follow His words in the Bible and not the words of many religious leaders, which in these End Times are leading millions of honest and sincere Christians to their ruin. God wants His people in these End Times to “Come out of Babylon,” which is spiritual confusion caused the Beast political and religious and enter follow the Words of Bible, by studying and acting upon the many truths within it.

          Rev.18:1-5 states:
          18 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

          2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

          3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

          4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

          5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

          This matches up with what was said by Isaiah 2:1-3:

          2 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.

          2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

          3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

          Now after the death and resurrection of Christ, Judah and Jerusalem are symbols of God’s people. An example is Revelation 14:1 and” the Lamb in the Midst of Mount Sion.” signifies Christ standing with His people, who He redeemed.

          But in the Last days, as Isaiah states in 2:2, many people will go to Mount zion, which again means that many people from different walks of life, will be part of God’s people, because they will be redeemed in Christ and seek to follow the Law of God or Ten Commandments.

          Isaiah 61:8-11, ” 8 For I the Lord love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.

          9 And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the Lord hath blessed.

          10 I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

          11 For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord God will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.”

          Isaiah in Ch. 61-8-11 is prophesying How Jesus Christ will save many Gentiles and as well as many Jews, who will accept Christ and continue to seek Christ and His righteousness. In order to be sure that God considers you to be part of Mount Zion, follow His law or Ten Commandments and the Words of the Old and New Testament.

    • Shofar

      The only evidence we currently have is the one you does not understand eschatology and the end of time, you do not understand the reason why the Lord must remove his Church.

      Understand this passage from Genesis that says:

      That be far from thee to do After This Manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked, that ‘so the righteous be as the wicked shoulds; that be far from thee: `shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

      Do you understand what the Day of the Lord in Isaiah 2, 12-22; 13: 6-9???

      Understand this passage from 2 Peter 3: 3-7 that comes to light on those two other passages:

      Knowing this first, that ‘in the last days mockers `shall come with mockery, Walking After Their Own Lusts, and Saying, Where is the promise de son coming? for, from the day fathers fell asleep que la, all things continue as They Were From The Beginning of the establishment. They willfully forget for this, that ‘There Were heavens from of old, and an earth compacted out of water and amidst water, by the word of God; by the world qui means clustering That Was Then, being white overflowed with water, perished: That aim now are the heavens, and the earth, by the same word-have-been Stored up for fire, being white reserved against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men .

      The reason that the Church of Jesus Christ will be removed is because of the day of the LORD:

      Behold, the day of the LORD comes,
      cruel, with wrath and fierce anger,
      to make the land a desolation
      icts and to destroy sinners from it.

      As Abraham expressed “God does not kill the righteous with the wicked,” the day of the Lord is coming,it’s a day of judgment, on the Lord’s day the sinners will be destroyed, and the church rapture, the earth will be destroyed by fire.

      Here some verses that you have to study to understand the rapture of the Church:

      And at That Time shall Michael stand up, the great prince Who standeth for the children of thy people; and there shall be a time of trouble, Such As Never Was There Was a nation since Even To That same time: and at That Time thy people` shall be Delivered, every one That shall be found written in the book. And many of Them That sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting and contempt (Daniel 12: 1-2).

      I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God, nor Does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, we aim shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality (1 Corinthians 15: 50-54).

      Immediately partner after the tribulation of Those Days will be the sun darkened, and the moon will not give icts light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will APPEAR in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, And Then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, And They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and gather His elect They Will from the four winds, from one end of heaven to l’autre. (Matthew 24: 29-31)

      As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as de ces days before the flood They Were eating and drinking, and giving marrying in marriage, up to the day Noah Entered When the ark, and They Were unaware cam up to the flood and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left. . The Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming (Matthew 24: 37-42)

      This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that ‘May you be worthy of the kingdom regarded of God, for you qui sont également Indeed Suffering since God considers it just to repay with affliction Those Who afflict you, and to grant the relief to you Who are afflicted as well as to us, When the Lord Jesus is Revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on Those Who do not know God and Those Who we do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They Will Suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory de son might, When He Comes That Day is to be glorified in His saints and to be marveled at all Among Who-have Believed (2Thessalonians 2: 5-10)

      Now When things begin to take thesis up, straighten up and raise your heads, Because your redemption is drawing near in Christ Jesus.

      • Emergingtruth

        51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

        52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

        53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

        54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

        55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

        56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

        57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

        58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

        In this verse Paul makes no mention of a Secret Rapture, instead what He is talking about is the not all of God’s people will die during the Great Tribulation because they are part of the 144,000 ( a symbolic number representing the first fruits of the human race that gave God their best in terms of sacrifice and perseverance in the work of God. Now, Paul is describing the scene of the resurrection of the saints and how they will reunited with those who are live in heaven. All of them will be changed to their eternal physical bodies. Once they are changed, then they are brought into the air by their angels. However, keep in mind that is not a “secret rapture” because there is a trumpet that is heard which literally wakesup the dead (resurrects them to eternal life).

        • Truthseeker

          emergingtruth

          the 144,000 are not the first fruits of the human race but are ONLY from the 12 tribes of Jacob who’s name was changed to Israel. Dan is excluded because he spiritually fornicates with the great false church from Rome. Dan is Ireland.

          The 144,000 and the Great Multitude come out of Great Tribulation. These are those that come through the first 5 seals alive, they are God’s tithe, the 10% that come through captivity. Captivity is the first 2 1/2 years of the final 3 1/2.

          They are protected from the DAY of the LORD which is God’s wrath upon the gentile nations. this “Day” is the last year of the 3 1/2.

          At the return of Jesus Christ the 144,000 are resurrected with the first fruits in the First resurrection and meet Christ in the clouds before coming with Him to the Mound of Olives.

          The Great Multitude then are freed from captivity at the return of Christ and in the 2nd Exodus make their way to Jerusalem to be given the Promised Land as God promised to Abraham.

          The great Multitude will have been converted during the great tribulation and are the remnant of the whole House of Israel.

          All of the above can be found in the Prophets and in the prophecies of Jesus Christ.

    • Amminadab

      A COLLECTION OF VERSES LINKING TRIBULATION WITH CHRISTIANS
      Hint: WE WILL BE HERE!

      Psa.27.5 For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock.
      Psa.37.39 But the salvation of the righteous is of the LORD: he is their strength in the time of trouble.
      Matt.10.17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
      Matt.10.18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
      Matt.10.19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
      Matt.10.20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
      Matt.10.21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
      Matt.10.22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
      Matt 24:9-14 “Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
      Matt.24.22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
      Matt.24.23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
      Matt.24.24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
      Matt.24.25 Behold, I have told you before.
      Matt.24.26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
      Matt.24.27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
      Luke 21:28 When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh..
      John.16.33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
      Acts.14.22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
      2 Thes 2:9 “Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,”
      Rev.1.7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen
      Rev.7.14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

      MY PERSONAL FAVORITE…

      John 17:15, “I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.”

      Jesus Christ Himself, in a prayer FOR US is asking His Father that we are NOT taken out of the World, rather He wants us protected WHILE we’re here. Hence, this Biblical FACT…

      Psalms 91:10, “There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.”

    • Amminadab

      The foundation of the rapture theory was laid over 400 years ago upon the specific orders of the Catholic Church. Every Christian needs to understand how this fabrication of error was designed to neutralize the great Protestant Reformation. If the facts of history were known by Protestants today who defend with such great emotion the rapture theory and the futurist antichrist doctrine, they would be horrified.Luther and his fellow reformers boldly identified the pope as the “man of sin,” and labeled the Catholic Church as the antichrist of prophecy. In response to those charges, the hierarchy assigned two Jesuit priests to develop counter- interpretations which would turn the onus away from the Catholic Church. In spite of the fact that the two men founded opposing schools of interpretation, their theories have survived to form the basis of most modern Protestant theology today. Not only did they effectively blunt Luther’s assessment of the papacy as the antichrist, but they cleverly divided and diluted the “protest” of all the churches which grew out of the Reformation movement. Modern religious observers were astounded in January, 1984, when men like Billy Graham and Jerry Falwell meekly accepted and defended the establishment of United States political ties with the Vatican. Why could those famous Protestant spokesmen see no danger in being allied with the Church of Rome? Because they are deceived, along with millions of others, by the Catholic-contrived theories of those two priests which have almost eclipsed the historic, biblical position of the Reformers. If the spiritual descendants of Luther and Wesley now had the same doctrine which they taught, not a single Lutheran or Methodist would favor any kind of alliance with the papacy today.

      Now let’s take a look at these two Spanish priests who flooded the sixteenth century with their counter-Reformation propaganda.Alcazar of Seville applied all the beast prophecies to Antiochus Epiphanes, who lived long before the popes began to rule in Rome. His system of interpretation came to be known as the Preterist School of prophecy.On the other hand, Jesuit Francisco Rivera invented a system known as the Futurist School of interpretation. He taught that the antichrist was to be some future superman who would appear near the end of time and continue in power for three and a half years. It is his clever, unscriptural theory which has been resurrected by modern evangelical Protestant Christians. And today millions of Baptists, Methodists, Pentecostals, etc., hold this anti-Protestant concoction of the Jesuits as some kind of infallible doctrine. Yet, those same denominations claim to be faithful supporters of Protestant theology. Luther and other stalwart protestors against Catholic errors would be astounded if they were suddenly resurrected to hear what is being taught in the name of Protestantism. In the early 1800s the futurist view of Jesuit Ribera passed through certain refinements and additions, including the seven-year tribulation and the snatching away of the saints. For the first time, it was espoused by Protestant teachers who were seeking ways of reconciliation with Rome. Through the influence and writings of John Nelson Darby of the Plymouth Brethren Church in England, the new doctrine spread to the United States. During the middle and latter nineteenth century, it received its biggest boost from Cyrus Scofield, who incorporated it into the notes of his Scofield Reference Bible published in 1909. -Rendevous in space
      http://www.remnantofgod.org/rapt2.htm

    • Shofar

      To understand the rapture of the church we must understand the order of events in the first place, the destruction of the wicked by fire, is the second cataclysm after the flood, God destroyed the world by a flood in the past, this time he will destroy the wicked by a fire, by a novea(Isaiah 30:26)

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      I will punish the world for evil ict,
      and the wicked for Their iniquity;
      I will put an end to the pomp of the arrogant,
      wand lay low the pompous pride of the ruthless.
      I will make people more often than fine gold,
      and mankind than the gold of Ophir.
      The Therefore will make the heavens tremble,
      and the earth will be shaken out of ict place
      at the wrath of the LORD of hosts
      in the day de son fierce anger (Isaiah 13: 11-13)

      Aim the day of the Lord will come like a thief, And Then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and Dissolved, and the earth and the works are done That is it will be exposed. Since all things are THUS thesis to be Dissolved, what sort of people you Ought to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and Hastening the coming of the day of God, qui Because of the heavens will be set on fire and Dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as They Burn (2 Peter 3: 10-12)!

      The book of Daniel confirms that the antechrist will appear only once the wicked will have been consumed:

      And in the end of Their kingdome, When the rebellious shalbe Consumed, a King of fierce countenance, and understanding darke Awards, shall stand (Daniel 8:23)

      And once the wicked will have been consumed, the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and powerful come out of their bunkers to terrorize the survivors of this cataclysm, and only here begins the great tribulation that we see in revelation 13.

      The Church will be rapture from earth on the sixth seal of the Apocalypse, and we see it in the sky in Apocalypse 7: 9:

      After this I Looked, and behold, a great multitude That Could no one number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in Their Hands, and crying out with a loud voice, Salvation belongs to our God Who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!

      So, the order is simple:

      - The rapture of the church
      - The destruction of the wicked by fire by a novea
      - And the great tribulation on the rest of humanity
      - And after the time of nations, Christ come back with is the saints(Revelation 19:14) to rule over the earth for the millenium period.

      I know I will not convince everyone on the rapture of the church, but for those who understand it, i hope it will be clearer for them.

      We are living in the last days before the day of the LORD, lift up our heads!

      • Emergingtruth

        You are using a bad translation of scripture to justify your claims. In 2 Peter 10-12, KJV states :
        10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

        11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

        12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

        Do you notice how the translation is very different? Also notice that day of the Lord, will come as a thief in the nigh; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise.” If God tells us the signs of the Day of the Lord, how can the rapture be a secret? How can you still claim the rapture to be a secret, if there is still great noise and a fervent heat of God’s glory that every one will notice? Also, notice that the words “great noise” was edited with the word “roar” which makes the verse more vague and open to interpretation.

        Paul gives us the actual events that will take place at the rapture, and non of it mentions a time delay of 7 years nor a secret rapture to heaven.

        1 Thessalonians 4:14-18, ”
        14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

        15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

        16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

        17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

        18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.”

        Those who are alive and remain will be part of the 144,000 mentioned in Revelation 14, those who are asleep are those who died for the Word of God and faith in Jesus Christ. The 2nd Coming of Christ will be an event with loud sounds and noises. Paul here states that the Lord will come with a shout and then the dead in Christ shall rise first, then those who are alive are caught together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. So Jesus will rapture his people not in secret but with great sound from the trumpet of God, to raise the dead. Notice all of this happens together and is not separated by “7 years as some claim.”

        Also remember the words of Christ in John 18:19-21, ” 20 Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.

        21 Why askest thou me? ask them which heard me, what I have said unto them: behold, they know what I said.

        Christ has said or done nothing in secret. Through the Words of the Bible, He has told humanity everything he will do beforehand so that we can prepare ahead of time.

        Here in John 15:14-15:

        14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

        15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

        Therefore, Christ through the Bible extends His friendship to humanity. If you keep his commandments and continue to do the work, they you get to know Christ and His Character. Christ will not do something as important as His 2nd Coming with a secret rapture. The term”secret rapture” is not even found in the Bible to begin with. It is a theory created by the Jesuits to confuse people from understanding the events of Bible Prophecy. I ask that the Holy Spirit may give you discernment on this issue. Nothing is worse than realizing the Secret Rapture theory is a lie, when you are confronted with the Great Tribulation. I hope you and others realize how the secret rapture theory goes against what the Bible says.

        Also, keep in mind Revelation 20:1-3, (
        20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

        2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

        3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. ) It is Satan who will be imprisoned on earth for 1,000 years. After these one thousand years, the wicked and those angelic fiends will be loosed when everyone human being that did not make it to heaven and rejected truth and delighted in fantasies and pleasures will be resurrected (Rev. 20:7,8). Thus, Christ and his redeemed will reign in heaven for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4) We know this is we read Revelation 21: 1-3 :
        21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

        2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

        3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

        • Shofar

          According to the context of the scriptures, the verses of 2Peter 3:3-7 of the Geneva 1599 version is good.

          Flavius Fosephus who was a contemporary of the apostles sums up the belief of the Jews at that time in his book: Antiquities of the Jews1, chapter 2:

          Now Adam, who was the first man, and made out of the earth, (for our discourse must now be about him,) after Abel was slain, and Cain fled away, on account of his murder, was solicitous for posterity, and had a vehement desire of children, he being two hundred and thirty years old; after which time he lived other seven hundred, and then died. He had indeed many other children,but Seth in particular. As for the rest, it would be tedious to name them; I will therefore only endeavor to give an account of those that proceeded from Seth. Now this Seth, when he was brought up, and came to those years in which he could discern what was good, became a virtuous man; and as he was himself of an excellent character, so did he leave children behind him who imitated his virtues.All these proved to be of good dispositions. They also inhabited the same country without dissensions, and in a happy condition, without any misfortunes falling upon them, till they died. They also were the inventors of that peculiar sort of wisdom which is concerned with the heavenly bodies, and their order. And that their inventions might not be lost before they were sufficiently known, upon Adam’s prediction that the world was to be destroyed at one time by the force of fire, and at another time by the violence and quantity of water, they made two pillars, the one of brick, the other of stone: they inscribed their discoveries on them both, that in case the pillar of brick should be destroyed by the flood, the pillar of stone might remain, and exhibit those discoveries to mankind; and also inform them that there was another pillar of brick erected by them. Now this remains in the land of Siriad to this day.

          Yes, Adam new for both destruction, one by fire and the other by a flood.

          Ask you’re self this question, if there’s no rapture of the church, when the jugement will come, tell me, where can you hide from it and are you prepare for it?

          When the novea will burn the earth, its going to take a few years before the men could get out of their bunker, I have tendency to think three and a half years, the earth and the sun will have to be restore from this disaster, then the 2 witnesses will emerge after those three and a half years. If the church would be on earth at that time, God would not need to send his two witnesses.

          In fact we are living the end of the church age, the next step is the time of nations, and after the time of nations, 7 years period, but three and a half years prisoner of their bunker, Christ come with is saints take ownership of what belongs to him, His creation, His earth, for a 1000 years.

          2Thessalonitians 2:7-10 is very clear:

          when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe.

          Because God is just, He will not destroy the righteous with the wicked, this is why the church must be rapture.

          • Truthseeker

            shofar,

            The God I follow has ALL power, may I remind you of shadrach, Meshach and aben-nego. They were dumped into a oven so hot it killed those mighty men that pushed them in.

            When they walked our their clothes did not even smell like smoke!

            The God I worship can do all things, He does not have to take me to heaven to keep me alive. He could send 1000 angels and none could put one finger on me.

            The earth is not cleansed until after the 2nd Death and yes fire will burn away all things, there will remain nothing of man and then God the Father will come to earth to begin planting the universe joined by His billions of Sons.

            I might add your concept of the events to come are not even close.

            • Shofar

              Truthseeker,

              Usually the problem is not the God we fallow the problem, it’s our interpretation of the scriptures.

              Continue to seek the truth, if you dont believe in the rapture of the church is you,re choice, but the God that you worship as written is plan for us in the Bible, and is following is word, not fantasy of your mind like this:

              “The God I worship can do all things, He does not have to take me to heaven to keep me alive. He could send 1000 angels and none could put one finger on me.”

              The Lord is faithful to is word to fulfil it completly

              Truthseeker, Israel is not the church and the church Israel, both have different destiny, the church was a parenthesis of 2000 years between the 69 week and 70 week of Daniel. The promess made to Israel belong to Israel, before Israel enter in his 70 week of Daniel, the church must be rapture.

              Revelation 12:6:

              and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.

              - Truthseeker can you tel me who is this women in who fled in the wilderness?

              - Can you tel me why God have to prepare a place for her?

              - And can you tel me why God have to nourish her for 3 1/2 years?

              This woman is Israel, who gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne.

              God has prepare a place for Israel for the same reason of revalation 6:12-17

              When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, calling to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?

              The cause of the seal six is the great red dragon of apocalypse 12:3, but that is an other subjet

              Because the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds, every mountain and island was removed from its place. So, if the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves, so it is for the 144000, for Israel, God prepare a safety place for Israel.

              And the reason why God have to nourish israel for 3 1/2 years, look Jeremiah 4 23-27:

              I looked at the earth, and saw it was formless and empty. And the heavens, they had no light. I looked at the mountains, and saw they shook, and all the hills were swaying. I looked, and saw there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens had fled. I looked, and saw the garden land was a wilderness, and all its cities were broken down at the presence of יהוה, by His burning displeasure. For thus said יהוה, “All the earth shall be a ruin, but I shall not make a complete end.

              The reason why God have to nourish israel for 3 1/2 years is because the Earth is formless and empty, their is no more food on it’s surface. This is the reason why God have to nourish the 144000.

              Tel me Truthseeker, where is the church in all that???

              Let me give you a clue, revalation 7:-12

              After this I looked and saw a great crowd which no one was able to count, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes, and palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Deliverance belongs to our Elohim who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” And all the messengers stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshipped Elohim, saying, “Amĕn! The blessing, and the esteem, and the wisdom, and the thanksgiving, and the respect, and the power, and the might, to our Elohim forever and ever. Amĕn.”

    • Truthseeker

      shofar and amminidab

      First:.
      The Church is in the name of the Father and Christ is its head, it is not the church of Jesus Christ it is the Ecclesia of God, i.e. the called out ones from the world to God the Father.

      Jesus Christ has given the Church of God the FATHER the outline of events of the time of the end in Revelation.

      7 is Gods number of Spiritual Perfection thus the 7 Seals produce spiritual perfection in preparation of the return of the KING of kings to earth to rule with a rod of iron.

      THE SEVEN SEALS : Overview

      Jesus Christ in Matthew 24: 8 states the first 4 Seals are the Beginning of Sorrows

      The First Seal culminates in The False Prophet that will be cast into the Lake of Fire but will sit on the Beast and rule the world until the return of Jesus Christ.

      The Second Seal is wars and rumors of wars and culminates in World War Three

      The Third Seal is the start of Food rationing which culminates in famine and disease killing one third of those in the nations of the Elect. The Elect is Israel, all 12 Tribes.

      The Fourth Seal is the final world war: World War Three involving 25% of the earth in which hundreds of millions die.

      The Fifth Seal is The Great Tribulation – 2 ½ years of a time of trouble that has never occurred before nor ever will again.

      The Sixth Seal is God’s intervention to save Mankind from total destruction– The heavenly signs.

      The Seventh Seal is the one year “DAY of the LORD”, a day is one year in prophecy.

      The Seven Trumpet plagues contained in the 7th Seal is the “Wrath of God” poured out upon the gentiles.

      God’s 4th and final 7 years of punishment {Leviticus 26: 14 – 35} is the time of the end:

      The first 3 ½ years of the 7 years are the culmination of the firsts 4 Seals and the last 3 ½ years are the fulfillment of the 5th, 6th and 7th Seal.

      The first 5 Seals are God’s punishment upon the whole House of Israel for their sins i.e. The Time of Jacob’s Troubles. Seals 6 and 7 are God’s punishment upon the gentiles.

      The Seventh Seal containing the 7 Trumpet Plagues is the Wrath of God upon the gentiles

      At the end of the Last Trump which is the 7 Last Plagues – Christ returns, those in the FIRST resurrection, the first fruits which are the Saints of God, meet Christ in the clouds and land on the Mount of Olives with Christ and rule on earth with Christ for 1000 years as kings.

      The Saints of God must endure until the end – here on earth, the last 3 1/2 years is the time the Beast makes war against the Saints and prevails against them — here on earth.

    • Discreet Prepper

      There are so many contradictions according to Mid/post trib theories and no one can answer any of the questions I have raised about it. My article gives a full detailed study as to why there will be a pre-trib rapture:

      http://discreetprepper.com/pre_trib_rapture.html

      Look at the following verses:

      Isaiah 26:19-21 -19 Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, and the earth will give birth to the departed spirits. 20 Come, my people, enter into your rooms and close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while until indignation runs its course. 21 For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; and the earth will reveal her bloodshed And will no longer cover her slain.
      (Let’s not miss the timeline here. The scripture says God raises His people, THEN they go to their rooms (same rooms that Jesus has created for us – John 14:1-3), to not see His wrath, THEN God comes out of His dwelling place to punish. To make it clearer, the scripture says we go in, He goes out, punishment comes. Similarly, Paul said the dead in Christ will rise, then those who are alive and they will meet the Lord in the air and will forever be with Him.)

      Zechariah 14:4-5 – 4 In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south. 5 You will flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains will reach to Azel; yes, you will flee just as you fled before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD, my God, will come, and all the holy ones with Him!
      (This is at the end of the tribulation. Take note of the last sentence. The only way that His holy ones can come with Him is if we are already with Him.)

      Jeremiah 39:16-18 – 16 “Go and tell Ebed-Melek the Cushite, ‘This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: I am about to fulfill my words against this city—words concerning disaster, not prosperity. At that time they will be fulfilled before your eyes. 17 But I will rescue you on that day, declares the Lord; you will not be given into the hands of those you fear. 18 I will save you; you will not fall by the sword but will escape with your life, because you trust in me, declares the Lord.
      (Look at the pattern. There is a sinful city that God is going to bring disaster to. He promises to rescue the true believers BEFORE the disaster.)

      Isaiah 57:1 – The righteous man perishes, and no man takes it to heart; And devout men are taken away, while no one understands. For the righteous man is taken away from evil, 2 He enters into peace; They rest in their beds, Each one who walked in his upright way.
      (Why are devout men taken away? Why do they get to go to peace and rest?)

      If you read my article about pre-trib, I have tons of questions in there. Here are a few:

      1) No one can answer how Isa 26 fits in the picture.
      2) No one can answer why there are people in heaven with crowns and thrones in Revelation 4 (which are promised to believers) and no place else in Revelation. In fact, every other group that is shown is only wearing white and do not have thrones or crowns.
      3) No one can answer how the believers are supposed to be returning with the Lord from Heaven on horses at the end of revelation if we are supposed to be post trib? That means we would be called up to the clouds, given our new bodies, put on horses, then we come right back down with Him.
      4) If we are post-trib, then why did Jesus say He goes to prepare a place for us? If we are raptured at the end, we will never get to use the rooms as we come right back down with him and rule and reign for 1000 years.

      Please look at my doc and prove me wrong with scripture.

      • Truthseeker

        discreet prepper

        Read the comments just above yours, are you saying the rapture is to occur during the time of famine and disease and world war 3??

        The 5th Seal is the Great Tribulation but Seals 3 and 4 Christ calls the beginning of sorrows.
        during that time 2/3 of the population of America will die.

        No one would even know you were gone, or care.

      • Emergingtruth

        Hi,

        Isaiah 26:19-21 is not talking about a “Secret Rapture” it is describing what God will do during and after the End Times. This is more clear if you read the King James Version https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2026&version=KJV At the 2nd Coming of Christ, the dead in Christ will resurrect as Christ resurrected.

        19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

        20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

        21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

        The keywords are “together with my dead body shall they arise.” This means as Christ resurrected so will also they who died believing and doing the will of God will be resurrected. We know this because only Christ can say “my dead body shall they arise” and then in the next verse say “Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers and shut thy doors about thee: and hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.” This is describing what those who go to heaven after 1,000 years with Christ and then they will return to earth inside “the New Jerusalem.”(Rev. 21)

        Revelation 20 explains after the 2nd Coming of Christ, Satan will be imprisoned in the earth together with the fallen angels, without people to tempt or deceive, because there will be no one alive on the earth that Satan can manipulate. The prison will be the whole planet earth, covered in darkness, and will have a lot of time to contemplate the darkness.

        After 1,000 years, Christ comes with the New Jerusalem from heaven. He first will resurrect all of those who did not go to heaven, which in the Bible is described as God and Magog,
        https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+20&version=KJV
        8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

        9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. .

        When this happening the Saints will be inside their city and they will go into their chambers, as Isaiah states in 26:20.

        Isaiah 26:21, matches up with what is said in Revelation 20:11-13
        11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

        12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

        13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

        Isaiah 26:21 is describing the Day of Judgment that occurs 1,000 years after the 2nd Coming of Christ .

        This goes along with Zachariah 14:4-5, because when Christ comes back to earth after 1,000 years with the New Jerusalem and the saints inside the city, he will resurrect all the dead from Cain to the last sinner and then Christ goes to the Mount olives and clears space and room for the New Jerusalem that will be placed in that area. That area has to be purified before he places the New Jerusalem ( a large city built in heaven) in that area. Then Satan, when he is loosed from his prison will again fool the resurrected dead who did not go to heaven by claiming that He is Christ.

        Revelation 21:1-3 states
        21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

        2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

        3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

        For Jeremiah 39:16-18, only God can decided who escapes disaster and not escapes disaster. You say this under the assumption, that if you believe in “the secret rapture” then God will save you, but it is in God’s hands if you are saved during the Great tribulation. Another thing, those who are saved from the Great Tribulation or “escape” are part of the 144,000 which are described in Revelation 7 and 14. Read Psalms 91, in order to understand what it means to escape from the Great Tribulation. It is not a “Secret Rapture” that occurs as the cause of them escaping disaster but it is the ministry of Angels that God will send to protect those specific people from that the Great Tribulation that come upon the earth which includes the 7 last plagues of Revelation 16.

        Psalm 91:1 “He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.” – This does not mean that there will be a “secret rapture” it just means the God lives in a secret place unknown to humans.

        Read Proverbs 30:4 – ” 4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?”

        Read Psalm 91:2-8
        2 I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.

        3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.

        4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.

        5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;

        6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.

        7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.

        8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.

        In other words, those who escape from the Great tribulation will do so because of the many angels that surround and protect from the plagues and death that will come upon the world. Again, not everyone will be part of this group.

        14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.

        2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

        3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

        4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

        5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

        6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

        7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

        8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

        9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

        10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

        11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

        12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

        13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them

        Here you see that the 144,000 ( a symbolic number) are those who are as virgins (Read Matthew 25: to understand the story of the Ten Virgins), which means they will follow the Commandments of God and the Faith of Jesus Christ, they did not contaminate themselves with other Churches. See Revelation 17, which describes the Church who was Harlot (a whore) which is the anti-thesis of God’s church. In Revelation 12, you read of God’s Church throughout history represented as a Virgin woman ( not the Virgin Mary as some believe)

        Again another verse that goes against “the Secret Rapture” is Matthew 24:27 ” 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” Christ is not a coward to secretly come and invisibly take His people away from danger.

        Read John 10:1-10 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

        2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

        3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

        4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

        5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

        6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

        7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

        8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

        9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

        10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

        11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.”

        Therefore, Christ is here saying that Christ’s sheep follow Him and His words and not some human theory.

        27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

        28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

        29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.

        Again read Daniel 3 and the Three Hebrew Youths. Christ was with three Hebrew youths within the fire and flames of the furnace and nothing happened to them, as a sign of the future 144,000 who will go through the Great Tribulation, and complete their purified as silver or metal is purified in fire.

        Malachi 3:1-3 states :

        Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.

        2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner’s fire, and like fullers’ soap:

        3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness.

        When Christ uses the metaphor as a thief in the night, he trying to convey the idea of the surprise and fear that a thief comes in the hour least expected. Those who believe in a “secret rapture” are expecting Christ to appear at a certain time or hour, in which only God the Father knows the day and the hour. Again, Matthew 24:35,36
        35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

        36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

        Christ says this in regards to His 2nd Coming and not in regards to “Secret Rapture.” “The Secret Rapture” is a great illusion will make ill those who believe in it.

        When Christ gives the parable of two in the field one is taken and the other is left behind, just means that there God will make a decision on who will go to heaven and who will taken by death. Keep in mind, the context of Noah as Christ said, ”

        39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

        40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

        41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

        42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. ”

        Christ is here describing the decision that will be made for each human for the Judgment of whether to eternal life or to death. Remember, how women represent churches? God is here saying one Church will be grinding at the mill, the bread of life based on the Word of God and the other will be grinding at the mill the bread of death, which is false doctrines not based on the Word of God.

        Let me know of anymore questions you may have.

        • Crazy times

          “Let me know of anymore questions you may have”

          Nope ! as already mentioned, All Your 10 points have only proven you do not use Scripture in context nor use correct exegesis and eisegesis practices.,nor accept …as it is written in clear Text.

          and btw We already have 1 Automated, cut and paste poster of, Hell on Whites Heresies.

          S abbatarians
          D uplicating
          A utobots

          Known as-: Revsky aka Amminadab

          Adieu

    • Pix

      Belief in the ‘Rapture’ is more a testament to ignorance and a poor education, as per the epidemic of the determined to be ignorant in the American bible belt. Rapture is an emotion, an internal high, ecstasy, not literal where your body is physically floated up into the sky high.

      I mean come on, how would that work, the giant invisible fairy story character is going to get out it’s giant invisible vacuum cleaner and suck up all the Christ-I-Anti’s,… now that I would pay good money to see.

      :lol:

      • Shofar

        Ignorance is a gap between reality and perception of this reality, in this case, the rapture is not an amotion it’s a reality.

        Understand something, human is a body and soul, the spirit is dead because of Adam sin, the spirit have to born again through Christ, the spirit is the channel by wich God speak to a christian, you can not understand it, you can only experience it.

        On the rapture, the boby is not floated, the body is simply change 1Corrinthians 15:51-52:

        Behold, I tell you a mystery. We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed.

        It’s a metamorphosis just like a caterpillar metamorphosis into a butterfly. It’s like water transform in wine, or dust change in lice.

        Pix, you can still believe into paganism, into venus or god moon who are not talking, and like them just turn arround.

        Ignorance is a gap between reality and perception of this reality!!!

        God bless Pix!!!

        • Pix

          Shofar “Understand something, human is a body and soul,…”

          All living beings are souls, you don’t have one, you are one, it’s the breath. When you don’t have a body for breath, you’re dead.

          Stop pretending faith is fact. I don’t need a lesson in your faith dished up as fact. It’s called faith because it’s NOT fact, it’s based on denial of the evidence, denial of facts, the complete opposite of truth.

          An emotion can never shape shift you into a wingless bird, no matter how strong the ecstasy, ground based you’ll remain.

          Revelation = to reveal, the gaining of knowledge, and yes it usually does change you in the twinkling of an eye, because you instantly become wiser with it.

          Truth is there is nothing predicted in the bible that didn’t take place in the Aegean apocalypse c1’200 BCE. Now that is a fact.

          :lol:

          • Shofar

            Pix, the fact is not faith, the fact is that God is alive and all the creation manifest its glory. As you say so, man is body and soul, as you probably know, in the beginning Elohim FORMED the man out of dust from the ground, and Breathed Into His nostrils breath of life. And the man Became a living being. So till this very day, God has given to man the breath of life, and no one else exept God can create life, that is a fact.

            The astrotheology is a fact of the existence of God, it communicates the same message of today’s Gospel, both of them come from the same author.

            Understand that God knows the early history of mankind, and he even knows the end, the beginning is the genesis and end the Apocalypse, we see in revelation 17: 8 that the names of the believers were already written before the fondationd of the world.

            The rapture is not an emotion or ecstasy, it’s a reality, contrary to what you think, man will not need wings during the rapture, it says in Matthew 24:31; 24: 39-41:

            And he shall send forth His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and They Shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

            The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but My words shall by no means pass away. But concerning that day and the hour no one knows, not even the messengers of the heavens, but My Father only. And as the days of Noaḥ, so also shall the coming of the Son of Aḏam be. For as they were in the days before the flood, eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noaḥ entered into the ark, and they did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also shall the coming of the Son of Aḏam be. Then two shall be in the field, the one is taken and the one is left. Two shall be grinding at the mill, one is taken and one is left.

            This body, which is simply a tent, a corruptible envelope for are soul must put on incorruptibility, and this mortal must put on immortality.

            As you can see, God make a distinction between the righteous and the wicked.

            You’re partly right when you say that the Apocalypse = to reveal, the Gaining of knowledge, but apcalypse it is more than that, the book of Apocalypse is the revelation that Christ comes to take owneship of what belongs to him, the earth and all creation.

            The fact is we know that apocalypse have not take place in 1200 BCE because because John wrote it arround 90AD :wink:

            • Pix

              Shofar “… the fact is that God is alive and all the creation manifest its glory.”

              Only the truth leaves evidence, fairy stories do not. Your religion is faith in fairy stories, not fact. The evidence proves otherwise.

              “As you say so, man is body and soul,”. No, that’s what you said, I said “you don’t have one, you are one”. It’s not “body and soul”, but your life.

              “…as you probably know, in the beginning Elohim FORMED the man out of dust from the ground, ..” Elohim is plural and feminine.

              The laws of physics can’t be defied, or they would not be laws of physics, there is no flying up into the sky unaided. The bible does not claim that in any case. It claims that people will be “caught up in the air with”, being caught up with something means to become involved in something, and air is always without exception a allegory for the mind. It’s talking about being involved with. carried off by an ecstatic idea, not literally floated up into the sky. ffs.

              “The fact is we know that apocalypse have not take place in 1200 BCE because because John wrote it arround 90AD ”

              No, you don’t know any such thing as a fact. John is a particularly common name, then as it is today, it dates to c70 CE and describing what took place in 70 CE Judea. It is not in the the apostle Johns handwriting or his style, and not in his native peasant Aramaic language, but in fluent Koine Greek. That does not mean Revelation has no president, it’s pretty much ancient Greek mythology verbatim.

            • Pix

              “The fact is we know that apocalypse have not take place in 1200 BCE because because John wrote it arround 90AD”

              In that case you have double standards, because the bible didn’t exist until the 6th century CE, and it wasn’t finalised until the 10th century CE. A thousand years after the fact.

              it’s perfectly feasible that all the end of world predictions in the bible are histories of what took place in the Aegean c1’200 BCE, and predicted as a repeat. Most of these predictions eg Daniel, existed long before the bible was formulated.

              And it’s logical, because the geology of the region hasn’t changed, it’s still prone to Earthquake storms, and climate change, people are still adversely affected by lack of trade, and warfare and all the diseases that ensue from natural and man made disasters. People haven’t changed their natures either, when it’s a life and death situation, it’s every man for himself.

              :lol:

            • Shofar

              you cote “The laws of physics can not be Defied” but it is whenever God comes to interfere in the case of men example:

              Exodus 8:19

               Then the magicians Said to Pharaoh, “This is the finger of God:” and Pharaoh’s heart hardened Was, and he About did not listen to ‘em; Yahweh have spoken.

              The magicians knew that in the natural world durt can not produced lice, unless God intervenes in our world.

              Another example is found in John 2: 5-10, turn the water in wine, it is impossible in a normal world water is changed into wine, but again, if God interferes in the affairs of men , what was impossible became possible.

              It is the same with the rapture of the church, the man just doing nothing, the destructive element will occur on earth, Christ is going to interfere in our world and We will not all sleep, we will aim all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. (1Cor 15: 51-52)

              And once again, man have nothing to do in this, exept to repent of sin and accepted the one who God give by grace to human for redemption

              the Son of Man (interferes) coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. He will send out His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, And They will gather together His chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the sky to l’autre.

              And once again, what was impossible will be possible.

              To be quite honest Pix, it is true that there were many of John at that time, but only one John had lived with Christ and was his disciple, so it would be the ideal candidate for the writing of the Apocalypse.

              But even if the apostle John was not the author of those scriptures, this would change nothing, because what is important is not the messenger, but the message.

            • Shofar

              Revelation 1:1-3

              Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him, to shew to his bondmen what must shortly take place; and he signified it , sending by his angel, to his bondman John, 2 who testified the word of God, and the testimony of Jesus Christ, all things that he saw.
              3 Blessed is he that reads, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things written in it; for the time is near.

              Dont need double standards, those scripture was written after Christ death, the book of revelation confirm it, the Christ name is every where in this book :lol:

    • Amminadab

      CHRIST’S SECOND COMING

      #25. The second coming of Christ is the hope of the church, the climax of the gospel, when Jesus will come literally, personally, loudly, visibly on a cloud (never touching the earth), and with all of His holy angels. Jesus pointed to signs of the times that would testify that His coming is at hand. And the almost complete fulfillment of all the various lines of prophecy indicates “He is near, even at the doors.” (John 14:1-3; Titus 2:11-14; Heb. 9:28; Acts 1:9-11; Rev. 1:7; Matt. 25:31; Luke 9:25; 21:25-33; Matt. 24:14,36-39,33 margin)

      THE FIRST RESURRECTION

      #26. The righteous dead will be raised to life at Christ’s second coming (advent). Together with the righteous living, they will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air, and will go with Him to heaven, there to spend one thousand years (the millennium). The wicked that are living at the time of Christ’s second advent will be slain by the brightness of His coming. These, with the wicked dead of all ages, will await the final resurrection, at the close of the one thousand years. (Rev. 1:7; John 5:25,28,29; Hosea 13:14; 1 Cor. 15:51-55; 1 Thess. 4:13-18; John 11:24,25; 14:1-3; Rev. 20:4,5,6; Isa. 25:8,9; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; 2:8; Jude 14,15; Rev. 20:5,12,15; John 5:28,29; Acts 24:15; Isa. 24:21,22).

      THE FINAL RESURRECTION

      #27. At the end of the one thousand years, the following events will take place: (a) Christ and the righteous will descend from heaven, with the Holy City, the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:2,10); (b) the wicked dead will be resurrected (Rev 20:11,12); (c) Satan, his angels and the wicked will receive the final wages of sin when fire comes down from God out of heaven to utterly destroy them, death and hell. This is the second death (1 Cor. 15:26; Rev 20:7-10,14,15); and (d) this fire, which destroys the works of sin, will purify the earth (2 Peter 3:10-14; Mal. 4:1-3; Rev. 20:4,8).

      THE NEW EARTH

      #28. The earth, cleansed by fire and re-created by the power of God, will become the eternal home of the redeemed and God Himself will live with them. (2 Peter 3:9-13; Isa. 65:17-25; 35:1-10; 45:18; Matt. 5:5; Mal. 4:1-3; Prov. 11:31)

      http://www.remnantofgod.org/rptrmenu.htm
      http://www.remnantofgod.org/1000yr.htm
      http://biblelight.net/psttrib.htm
      http://www.biblelight.net/millen.htm#

    • they.pierced.My.hands.and.My.feet.

      Can anyone textually prove a ‘rapture’ without using Paul’s epistles ?

      • Scanner Darko

        Any person who uses Paul’s epistles to “prove” a rapture does so erroneously. It all comes down to a simple translation error.

        • Crazy times

          10 Bible Verses Prove There Is No “Secret Rapture” During The Great Tribulation

          Correct only in that there is no Secret rapture :arrow: “DURING” the Great Tribulation as that would not be in keeping with… as it is written.

          Your entitled to your emerging truth, but as for me, I’ll stick with, as it is written, used for thousands of years, the Gospel, delivered unto the Saints.

          I believe in Gods Ordinances and Precepts, in regards to Rescue of the godly/righteous, given to us :arrow: :idea: in the examples of Noah and Lot…. than your understanding.

          Also if you wish to take away from scripture it will be taken away from you,this you can be assured of …as it is written.

          Y’shua comes as a Thief, and a Thief comes in SECRETLY, does He not !!!

          Revelation 16:15 KJV
          Behold, I COME AS A THIEF. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

          1/ Your not watching nor keeping His perseverance of imminence, and thereby have taken away from His Word,….. Behold I come as a thief.
          2/ You then will be left behind and thereby lose your wedding raiment.
          3/ And many will then see you’re naked, Because the Truth was… NEVER IN YOU.

          :arrow: Your 10 points have only proven you do not use Scripture in context nor use correct exegesis and eisegesis practices.

          • Emergingtruth

            Have you read 2 Peter 1:17-21?:

            17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

            18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

            19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

            20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

            21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

            Therefore, is does not matter an individual’s personal interpretation (exegesis, and eisegesis), it matters what the Bible says and understanding what the Bible says by comparing multiple scriptures. If you compare all the scriptures, in the Bible none speak of a “secret or invisible rapture”,
            “https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Thessalonians+1:6-8&version=KJV.” If you read, 2 Thessalonians 1: 6-8 -
            6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

            7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

            8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

            Again, the Bible is very clear here and, therefore you should see there is no such thing as a “Secret Rapture” because Jesus Christ will not come alone, but with His fleet of heavenly angels, they will visible and every eye will see them.

            If you again read 1 Thessalonians 14-18,
            14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

            15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

            16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

            17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

            18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

            The key words here are “Caught up together with them in the clouds” meaning that Jesus Christ will stay in the clouds as the multitude of heavenly angels grab the living and resurrected saints bring them to where Jesus will be in clouds.

            When Christ mentions he comes as a thief, he says it in the sense of a thief breaking into the house and then you suddenly being awakened by the sound of thief in your home. In the same way, the owner of house is suddenly startled and scared because he is awakened by the sound of a thief in his home, then the same will be the 2nd Coming of Christ. Many people will not expect it, they believe that the world will continue to progress and then suddenly they will realize that God really does exist and Jesus Christ was really His Son, and this will cause great fear. But those who stood up and were awake before the 2nd Coming of Christ, will be happy they stood up and caught “the thief,” or witnessed the 2nd Coming of Christ. Again you have to follow only the words of God, given the context of the quote.

            There will be many who like Noah and Lot will be rescued, and not see death, and there will be others who will die a cruel death for Christ’s name sake and refusing the Mark of the Beast(Nationally enforced Sunday law). But those who die for Christ’s namesake have the promise of a resurrection to eternal life. God will decide who will be alive during the Great Tribulation and who will die during the Great Tribulation and later on will be resurrected to eternal life.

            Just because you believe in a secret rapture theory does not automatically mean that you will not see death, or experience pain, anguish, and hunger for Christ’s namesake. That is the problem that many of those who believe in a “secret rapture” theory, don’t understand. The problem is that many of those who believe in a “secret rapture” theory don’t see that just as Christ went through hardship and tribulation for teaching the things His Father told Him, then the same will happen with the followers of Christ. History has shown this with the early Christian church and the Apostles, the Albigensies, the Huguenots, etc.

            In the future we will see a similar type of persecution against Christians that will result in the deaths of many people. You have to continue believing in Christ and Christ alone until all is done ( for some that may mean death then resurrection to eternal life and for others that may mean until the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ).

            • Crazy times

              emerging truth !!

              “Again, the Bible is very clear here and, therefore you should see there is no such thing as a “Secret Rapture” because Jesus Christ will not come alone, but with His fleet of heavenly angels, they will visible and every eye will see them.” angels grab the living ”

              “Jesus Christ will not come alone”

              :arrow: Right here you are deceived and are deceiving :twisted:

              I say again your entitled to your opinions, as YOU like to see them, as for me I await the Lord Himself who comes for the Bride BY HIMSELF,when He comes as a thief for the 5 WISE Virgins…as it is written.

              Parable of the 10 Virgins .

              Matthew 25
              6 “At midnight the cry rang out: “HERE’S THE BRIDEGROOM” “COME LET GO OUT… TO MEET HIM!’

              sounds like he’s by Himself to me !, and we go out to meet Him… :idea:

              this confirms it.

              John 14:3….. 3″If I GO and PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU, I will come again and RECEIVE YOU …”UNTO MYSELF”, that where I AM, there you may be also. 4″And you know the way where I AM going.”

              Y’shua…” RECEIVES US TO “HIMSELF” …UNTO

              NO ONE IS TAKEN BY “Angels” nor is the BRIDE gathered by Angels at this JUNCTURE (“the Rescue”) as He say’s… I’m coming for YOU MYSELF ! to receive you TO MYSELF.

              :arrow: Now that’s right out of the mouth of God… Himself :idea:

              End of story !!

              Now@ the Second COMING (feet on Mount of Olives) your verses are valid… BUT NOT HERE AT THE “APPEARING”..the Rescue, as a thief.

              Your understanding is pure speculation as we have

              Matt 25 which has this event covered, 50% are left behind (5 foolish Virgins) when HE came and shuts the door.

              “Nationally enforced Sunday law)! ?? WTH Revsky (aka Amminadab) Is this one of your mob a SDA. ? I thought you guys did not believe in a rapture to the Clouds ?

              As for Noah.
              He gave us the Example of Noah and Lot to show His PRECEPT of Rescue.

              As the COMING of the Lord will BE as… in the Days of Noah (& Lot)

              BEFORE the Gt Tribulation of W/w flooding.
              BEFORE the Gt Tribulation of fire reigned down from heaven.
              He rescued the godly….it will BE exactly the SAME at the End of this Age.
              BEFORE Jacobs Trouble He will rescue the BRIDE …as per His Precept and examples of Rescue, He gave us.

              “Just because you believe in a secret rapture theory does not automatically mean that you will not see death”

              Of course not it goes without saying Christians in the lions den aka Rome etc etc etc, a huge amount of people have lost their life’s for the gospels sake and many more will / are.

              But WHAT HAS this to do with the RESCUE of the BRIDE as promised by God at the appointed… day and hr ? :roll:

              2 Peter 2:9
              :arrow: the Lord knows how to RESCUE the godly from trials, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment, New American Standard Bible

              So as you see there is NO Problem with Gods precepts of Rescue prior to ELE

              as it is written.

            • Emergingtruth

              Crazy times –

              Again, you have to read everything in context. You are now denying the work of the heavenly angels, in order to support “the Secret Rapture” theory.

              Psalm 91: 7-12 –

              7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.

              8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.

              9 Because thou hast made the Lord, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;

              10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.

              11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

              12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

              It is the angels who will help escape those are living in the seven last plagues, which are known as the 144,000 in Revelation 7 and 14.

              Again, you have to accept all of the Bible, and not just the parts that go along with “The Secret Rapture” –

              Matthew 13:14-16King James Version (KJV)

              14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

              15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

              16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

              Again you take 2 Peter 2:9 way out of context.
              Read the whole chapter:

              2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

              2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

              3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

              4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

              5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

              6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

              7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

              8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)

              9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

              10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

              11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

              12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

              13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;

              14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

              15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

              16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man’s voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

              17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

              18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

              19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

              20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

              21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

              22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

              Key point here is not everyone who believes in a “secret Rapture” will be spared, only the Righteousness that believe and do the Will of God found in the Bible.

            • Crazy times

              emerging truth !!

              “Again, you have to read everything in context. You are now denying the work of the heavenly angels, in order to support “the Secret Rapture” theory.”

              “Key point here is not everyone who believes in a “secret Rapture” will be spared, only the Righteousness that believe and do the Will of God found in the Bible.’

              The Word of God supports the HE RESCUED those HE chose PRIOR to the destruction… did He not ?.. YES or NO !

              two examples are a witness.

              that’s why He gave us these two examples ..Noah & Lot

              And NOT OTHERS like, as in the days of Daniel or as in the days of Nebuchadnezzar.

              “You are now denying the work of the heavenly angels”

              I given clear words/verses from Y’shua (Gods own Mouth) that He will receive us UNTO Himself when WE GO OUT TO MEET HIM and it’s backed up by His Parable.

              Matthew 25 10

              :arrow: THE BRIDEGROOM CAME: and they that were ready went in WITH HIM to the marriage: and the door was shut.

              You are the one who is DENYING GODS PRECEPTS of RESCUE, to endorse YOUR THEORY of “NO RESCUE” of Gods chosen BRIDE PRIOR to Destruction and are rearranging Angel duties according to your Own understanding, your deliberately ignoring what Y’shua said… He will come for us Himself .

              that should have been in clear context for you to understand!! :!:

              This SUPPORTS GODS PRECEPT OF RESCUE , its not a theory :idea:

              Luke 21:36
              Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy TO ESCAPE ALL these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

              as it is written.

              it’s 2am here.. I’m away

              Adieu

          • Scanner Darko

            Crazy Times, that’s one of the weakest (and laziest) arguments I have ever seen to support a rapture “DURING” the Great Tribulation.

            He will come as a Thief in the night, but not as or when you suggest.

            • Crazy times

              Scanner Darko

              You didn’t read past the headline then !!

              “He will come as a Thief in the night”,

              Well then that’s one of the weakest and laziest replies,I’ve ever seen and received and NOT really an argument for a rebuttal.

            • Truthseeker

              Scanner darko

              what comes as a thief in the night is the “Day of the Lord”, which is the 7th Seal and is the Wrath of God upon the gentile nations.

              The 7th Seal contains 7 Trumpet plagues and at the end of the Last Trump Christ returns.

              God will supernaturally protect all His Saints from the Wrath of God but will totally destroy all the Gentile nations on earth.

    • Truthseeker

      To all; a Challenge

      If there were such as event at a rapture would not Jesus Christ tell His disciples? Remember the scripture “the Lord will do noting without telling His prophets first?” that is a paraphrase.

      If we were to take a detailed look at Matthew 24 one would hope Christ would at least give us a hint in His prophesy about the last days and His return?

      Here is the challenge; Here is the account in Matthew 24 please point out where the rapture is explained or where it is included.

      Can a rapture of “any kind” be found in Matthew 24

      Matthew 24: 29 – 31

      29 “Immediately – AFTER – the tribulation of those days — shall the sun be darkened,” —-

      Christ is very precise and clear when He says “IMMEDIATELY “AFTER”- the tribulation” which can only mean when The Great Tribulation is over – will the 6th Seal begins. The Heavenly Signs which are the 6th Seal begin with the sun becoming darkened.

      29 — continues —— “and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken”

      The sun, moon and the stars are used as heavenly signs announcing God’s intervention into the affairs of man: these heavenly signs comprise the 6th Seal by which God will stop the complete annihilation of all mankind by Satan. Remember Christ’s own statement in verse 22 that no flesh would be saved alive if the time of the Tribulation were not cut short? God is doing the shaking of the heavens and the earth, not man, not Satan.

      Does the description of the 6th Seal given by Christ in Matthew 24 match with what Christ reveals to John in Revelation 6?

      6: 12 – And I beheld when He had opened the 6th Seal and lo there was a great earthquake and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair and the moon became as blood.”
      24: 29 – Shall the sun be darkened.
      —-

      6: 13 – The stars of heaven fell unto the earth.
      24: 29 – The stars shall fall from heaven.
      —-

      6: 14 – The heaven departed as a scroll and every mountain and island were moved out of place.
      24: 29 —- “and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:”

      And in Joel 2: 30, 31 God through Joel confirms that the 6th Seal comes just before the 7th Seal which is the Day of the Lord.

      Joel 2: 30, 31

      30 “And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood and fire and pillars of smoke.”

      31 “The sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood –“before” — the great and the terrible Day of the Lord — come.”

      The sun into darkness and the moon unto blood which is the 6th Seal and the 6th comes before the 7th Seal which Joel states IS – The Day of the Lord. The 7 Trumpets in the 7th Seal are the Wrath of God poured out upon gentiles and the 7th Seal is the Day of the LORD.

      Yes it is CONFIRMED twice by Jesus Christ and once by Joel the prophet.

      The 7th Seal is the Day of the LORD and of The Wrath of God on the Beast Power and all the gentile nations. God gets the gentile powers attention by shaking the heavens i.e. the 6th Seal. Heavens is plural and must then include the planets and stars above as well as the mantel of air above earth.

      By the time the 6th Seal is completed the heavens ‘shall have been shaken’ and everyone on earth will have experienced the Heavenly Signs and will be in great fear and attempting to hide.
      When the 6th Seal has ended the last Seal begins which is the Seventh ( 7 ) Seal and that Seal brings us the return of Jesus Christ King of kings and LORD of lords.

      At the end of the DAY of the LORD –“At the Last Day” – Jesus Christ of Nazareth returns to earth.

      Mathew 24: 30

      30 “And then shall appear the SIGN of the Son of man in heaven:” ——–

      Christ in Matthew 24 after explaining the 6th Seal comes as the Great Tribulation ( 5th Seal) ends,
      moves on to the sign of His appearing with verse 30 leaving aside for now the 7 Trumpets of the 7th Seal which are the 7 measures of the Wrath of God.

      Christ moves directly to the end of the 7th Seal which is the last Trump i.e. The 7th and last Trump of the 7th Seal and to the Sign of His coming. In many scriptures the last trump which holds the Seven Last Plagues is shown to be the time of Christ’s return as King of kings. When the 7th and last plague is poured out heaven opens and a great voice proclaims; “IT IS DONE”. When the Wrath of God and the Day of the LORD are complete –Christ returns.

      30 continues—– “And then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with Power and Great Glory.”

      Why else would the tribes mourn, they will see Christ coming in unimaginable great power?
      You must admit, if He turned around and went back the earth would no longer mourn, they would be overjoyed and celebrate. This is not a rapture, Christ in Matthew 24 has just taken us through the 5th, 6th and 7th Seals and to the very day of His Return as King of kings in all power to rule earth and not one hint of going back to heaven.

      The whole earth sees and realizes what is taking place, never has any man much less the entire earth witnessed the Awesome Power and Glory of Almighty God which the Father will forcefully demonstrate unmistakably around the entire earth at the return of His Son Jesus Christ. And Christ comes in the Clouds “On the Last Day” and exactly as He left after His Resurrection — in the clouds of the sky – He comes over a complete day that all will witness.

      Read Zechariah 14: 5 – 9, Christ returns is a globe circling event witnesses by every one on earth. In that Day there will be no night.

      Verses 30 and 31 totally destroy the satanic doctrine of a rapture.

      31 “And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, —- “

      Christ sends His angels with the great sound of a Trumpet. Here is where the whole concept of the rapture vanishes; the 5th, 6th, and now the 7th Seal are now complete with the great sounding of the Last Trump and at the end of the last of 7 trumps Christ comes with indescribable Power and Great Glory. As we move through this work it will become clear, Christ returns at the very end of the 7th Trump, the Last Trump.

      31 continues “— And they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”

      As shown by the words of Jesus Christ above, the 5th and 6th Seals are completed — as of the last of the 7 trumpets of the 7th Seal is sounded and Christ returns in the clouds — THEN — Christ sends His Angels to gather His Elect from the 4 winds – from one end of heaven to the other. And what is His signal to the Angels that they are to go and gather– – A great sound of a trumpet. Christ is now coming in the clouds, all the Seals are complete and then the angels gather the Elect, so says Jesus Christ our King of kings.

      All 7 of the SEALS have been completed – AND THEN – the angels gather the Elect.

      The First Resurrection occurs at the Last Trump when Jesus Christ returns to earth as King of king to rule earth with a rod of iron so says our Savior.

      • Emergingtruth

        Truthseeker

        - I agree we are still living in the 6th seal, and that the seventh seal will be the day of the Lord, which is the day in which God and all His heavenly angels will come to earth and to get those who will be alive (144,000) and those who God will resurrect from all the eras of human history.

        The book of Daniel is used as an example to read the Book of Revelation.

        In the book of Daniel you notice that Daniel 2 matches up with Daniel 7.

        Then you realize that Daniel 7 when it talks about the Little Horn, then it matches up Daniel 8 which explains further the Little Horn.

        I say this because when Christ says “After the Tribulation of those Days” in Matthew 24:29-31 he is not only referring to His 2nd coming, but also the 1260 days or 1260 years of prophecy see (Ezequiel 4:4-6). These 1260 days or 1260 years are referred to in Daniel 7:25 as “Times, Time, and half a time” a time = 1 year (see Daniel 4:16, 7 times= 7 years). Thus (Times = 2 years; Time = 1 year; and half a time = 1/2 year = 3 and 1/2 years. If you convert 3 and 1/2 years then you get 42 months, which is found in Revelation 11:2 and 13:5 referring to era of papal supremacy that was from 538 AD to 1798 AD. The end of this period is referred to the Mortal wound found in Revelation 13:3, 12, and 14. When this wound is fully healed (which is close) then the Pope will once again overtly control the whole world and will do so via the Mark of the beast, (which is nationally enforced Sunday law. ) The mark/sign of God is The Ten Commandments and the 7th Day Sabbath.
        Read Exodus 31:17 ” 17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.” The Keyword here is “forever,” which includes today and this modern period.

        • Shofar

          Emergingtruth,

          You are almost there, but 144000 didn’t receive Christ yet on the wrath of God, if they would have receive Christ, they would be part of the church and be rapt too. The Bible confirming in

          Revelation 12:6:

          and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.

          That Israel will be in the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, because of that we know they we’re not save on that day. Look apocalypse 7:1-4:

          After this, I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, so that no wind would blow on the earth, or on the sea, or on any tree. I saw another angel ascend from the sunrise, having the seal of the living God. He cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was given to harm the earth and the sea, saying, “Don’t harm the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, until we have sealed the bondservants of our God on their foreheads! I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the children of Israel.

          Look at the verse 1 of this passage, the two first word is “After this” so what was the event in reference here, it’s the sixth seal, the church is already in the sky, and then God holding the four winds of the earth to sealed the bondservants of our God on their foreheads, the 144000, Israel.

          You’re almost there, keep seeking!

          God bless you also!!!

        • Truthseeker

          emergingtruth and shofar

          We are not in agreement on anything.

          We are not in living in the 6th Seal, we are not even in the 3rd, 4th or 5th Seals.

          Did you not read my comment above.

          “As shown by the words of Jesus Christ above,– AFTER— the 5th and 6th Seals are completed — THEN — as of the last of the 7 trumpets of the 7th Seal is sounded and Christ returns in the clouds — THEN and ONLY THEN — Christ sends His Angels to gather His Elect from the 4 winds – from one end of heaven to the other.

          And what is His signal to the Angels that they are to go and gather the resurrected Saints – – A great sound of a trumpet i.e. the Last Trump. Christ will come in the clouds,

          WHEN all the Seals are complete — THEN— the angels gather the Elect, so says Jesus Christ our King of kings.

          The First Resurrection occurs at the Last Trump and then Jesus Christ returns to earth as King of king to rule earth with a rod of iron so says our Savior.”

          There is no rapture !!!! —

          and ONLY at the return of Jesus Christ to EARTH will the FIRST RESURRECTION take place –ONLY — then will the Saints be raised from their graves and meet Christ in the air BEFORE landing on the Mount of Olives.

          • Emergingtruth

            Truthseeker –

            The reason why I say we are living in the sixth seal is because there were three events that occurred that marked the beginning of the sixth seal, which was a great earthquake, a dark day when the sun or moon did n ot give their light, and stars falling from heaven as a fig tree ( Revelation 6:12). These events happened consecutively on the following dates November 1, 1755, – The Great Earthquake of Lisboa, a microcosm of the coming destruction that will occur all over the world.
            May 19, 1780, The Dark Day of New England, (Darkness covered the Sun at Midday) , and November 13, 1833, ( a rare Astronomical phenomena occurred where people reported the stars falling from the sky, the intensity and extent of the 1833 showers were unique and not ever saw again).These three signs occurred to mark the beginning of the End Times of this world.

            Since 1844 (End of 2300 day-year prophecy), then we have seen the modern ideas of evolution and socialism and technology advance to where it currently is today. This is why I say that we are still living in this sixth seal.
            http://everlasting-gospel.blogspot.com/2012/08/signs-of-end-1755-1780-and-1833.html

            Another reason why I say we are still in the sixth seal is because ” the first seal occurred at the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. Thus, the seven seals of Revelation 6 matches up with Revelation 2 and 3. Revelation 5:4-12 describes the scene of Jesus returning to heaven after the resurrection and ascension. Remember the symbol of a scroll with 7 seals was a symbol used to denote in Roman times, a scroll with 7 seals was a scroll containing confidential information that could only be open by the person addressed. If you read the descriptions of the 7 Churches, match up with descriptions of the 7 seals.

            1. The first seal or Church of Ephesus(Desireable) describes the early church of the Apostles from 31-100 AD

            2. The 2nd seal or Church of Smyrna(Sweet smelling) describes the era of extreme persecution of the early church from 100-313 AD

            3. The 3rd seal or Church of Pergamos (Elevation) describes the era when the early Church became corrupted with pagan doctrine introduced into the Church through Constantine and the Sunday law. 313-538 AD

            4. The 4th seal or Church of Thyatira describes the era when the corrupted early Church (now known as Roman Catholic Church) entered into an era of spiritual darkness known as the Dark Ages ( Middle Ages ). 538-1517 AD

            5. The 5th seal (Souls under the Altar) or Church of Sardis (renewal) describes the era when the Protestant Reformation and God moving forward from the Roman Catholic Church and teachings (as God moved on Jewish traditions and teachings ) to Protestant Ones 1517AD-1755AD

            6. The 6th Seal or the Church of Philadelphia (1755 AD – 1844 AD) – The 6th seal has two sets of signs one that announce the beginning of the End Times Rev. 6:12-13

            12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

            13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

            The second set of signs that will come during the 7th Church of Laodicea (1844- the 2nd Coming of Christ )

            Revelation 6:14-17

            14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

            15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

            16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

            17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

            • Truthseeker

              emergingtruth

              The different churches Christ talks about in Revelation are not eras, they are describing what has — and will — occur within the Church of God until the return of Christ. It describes carnal human nature.

              Next is a KEY Point;

              The 7 Seals of Revelation all culminate during the 7 year time of the end. Read Leviticus 26: 13 – 39, the time of the end is 7 years in length.

              During the first 3 1/2 years, which Christ calls “the beginning of sorrows”, the first 4 seals culminate.

              the last 3 1/2 years begins with the abomination of desolation which begins the 5th seal i.e. the great tribulation followed by the 6th seal which is God intervening and by violently shaking the heavens and the earth stops Satan and man from killing every single human on earth.

              The 6th is followed by the 7th Seal which is the Day of the Lord i.e. the Wrath of God upon the gentile nations. It is one year of time, a day for a year in prophecy.

              If you think what has occurred on earth so far is the full anger of God you do not know God’s power nor HIS anger.

              By the time Christ set foot on the mount of olives —- 90% of the almost 8 billion alive today will have died — violently.

              Leviticus 26 states God is going to walk contrary to mankind in RAGE with no pity.

              If you will study Daniel 12: 11 you will find it states the following;

              From the time the daily sacrifice is stopped or prevented, until the abomination occurs, there are 1290 days.

              The daily sacrifice is to be prevented 30 days before the 7 year time of the end begins.

              The 7 year time of the end begins on a Feast of Trumpets and ends of a Feast of Trumpets 7 years later.

              The Feast of Trumpets is an eternal memorial of the return of Jesus Christ as KING of kings.

              Wherever and from whom ever you are being taught — run away!
              God our Father not man is our teacher.

            • Truthseeker

              emerging

              to clear up Daniel 12, the 1290 days are divide into 30 days and 1260 days, the 1260 days are the first half of the 7 year time of the end.

              The time of the end is divided into two 1260 day periods.

          • Emergingtruth

            I forgot to mention the given the historical framework the Church of Philadelphia(Brotherly Love) coincides God’s people during the American Revolution, in which the American City of Philadelphia held a prominent role.

            The Church of Laodecia (the name in Greek means Nation in Judgment) which means that God will soon come to carry out Judgment on the world .

        • Crazy times

          SDA doctrine ?

          “the Mark of the beast, (which is nationally enforced Sunday law. ) The mark/sign of God is The Ten Commandments and the 7th Day Sabbath”

          So Your Emerging truth (recent 160yrs) you share with us is really the revelations of that dragon woman, Hell on white, FOUNDER of the SDA, but I see you have a different slant on Gods Precepts of Law than Revsky aka Amminadab ?

          Nonetheless your both on Broadway, the highway to Hell’ as your NOT FOLLOWING Y’shua’s words

          Hebrews 4:10

          A Sabbath-Rest for God’s People

          …9So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. 11Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall,

          through following the same example of disobedience.

          :arrow: So lets “be DILIGENT” and NOT “DISOBEDIENT” :idea:

          • Amminadab

            The following facts prove the Sabbath does remain a physically rest and that the excuse Jesus is our Sabbath rest is just one more fallacy from our adversary.

            1. The Greek word for “rest” (sabbatismos) in Hebrews 4:9 unquestionably refers to a physical rest and a literal “Sabbath keeping” or “Sabbath observance.”
            2. It was more than 30 years after the cross that Luke wrote that when the body of Christ was being prepared, “they rested the Sabbath day according to the Commandment.” (Luke 23:56) The New Covenant was sealed by the blood of Jesus on Friday night when He died on the cross, and yet Luke says they were still physically keeping the Sabbath according to the Commandment and after the New Covenant had begun. Any lawyer and the Word will tell you that it cannot be changed after the death of a testator. This one alone kills this appalling excuse!
            3. Isaiah 66:22-23 says we still physically keep the Sabbath in the New Heaven and Earth.
            4. Jesus words show that everyone would still be physically keeping the Sabbath at 70 A.D. (Matthew 24:20)
            5. The Sabbath cannot be a spiritual rest if one had to worry about physically fleeing on this day.
            6. Our Creator knew man needs a physical rest at least one day a week and Jesus as our Lord does not change that requirement.
            7. God and His law changes not. Hebrews 13:8, Psalms 111:7-8, Luke 16:17
            http://www.godssabbathtruth.com/is-jesus-our-sabbath-rest.html

            • Crazy times

              Well enough said to SDA as you will NOT receive it… “as it is written”, furthermore they SDA wouldn’t know the Truth, if it bit them on the ass, they also make a pigs ear of every verse they lay their sticky hands on tks to that Witch, Hell on White, truly an appalling understanding of the written Word given to us in clear text, :arrow: truly Wretched !!

      • Shofar

        Truthseeker,

        This is what the bible call a renewing of the mind, seal this revelation that you just receive

        God bess man!!!

      • Amminadab

        (6.) “And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake ; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood ; and the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig-tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind; and the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bond man, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb ; for the great day of his wrath is come ; and who shall be able to stand?”

        Such are the solemn and sublime scenes that transpire under the sixth seal. And a thought well calculated to awaken in every heart an in- tense interest in divine things, is the consideration that we are now living amid the momentous events of this seal.

        Between the fifth and sixth seals there seems to be a sudden and entire change in the language, from the highly figurative to the strictly literal. Whatever may be the cause of this change, the change itself cannot well be denied. By no principle of interpretation can the language of the preceding seals be made to be literal; nor can that language of this any more easily be made to be figurative.

        The first event under this seal, perhaps the one which marks its opening, is a great earthquake. As the more probable fulfillment of this prediction, we refer to the great earthquake of Nov. 1, 1755. Of this earthquake, Sears in his ” Wonders of the World,” pp. 50, 58, 381, says:—

        “The great earthquake of Nov. 1, 1755, extended over a tract of at least 4,000,000 of square miles. Its effects were even extended to the waters in many places where the shocks were not perceptible. It pervaded the greater portion of Europe, Africa, and America; but its extreme violence was exercised on the southwestern part of the former. In Africa this earthquake was felt almost as severely as it had been in Europe. A great part of Algiers was destroyed. Many houses were thrown clown at Fez and Mequinez, and multitudes were buried beneath the ruins. Similar effects were realized at Morocco. Its effects were likewise felt at Tangiers, at Tetuan, at Funchal in the island of Madeira. It is probable that all Africa was shaken. At the north it extended to Norway and Sweden. Germany, Holland, France, Great Britain, and Ireland were all more or less agitated by the same great commotion of the elements. Lisbon (Portugal), previous to the earthquake in 1755, contained 150,000 inhabitants. Mr. Barretti says that 90,000 persons are suppose to have been lost on that fatal day.”

        On page 200 of the same work, we again read:

        ” The terror of the1 people was beyond description. Nobody wept—it was beyond tears—they ran hither and thither, delirious with horror and astonishment, beating their faces and breasts, crying, ‘Misericordia, the world’s at an end!’ Mothers forgot their children, and ran about loaded with crucifix images. Unfortunately many ran to the churches for protection; but in vain was the sacrament exposed; in vain did the poor creatures embrace the altars; images, priests, and people were buried in one common ruin.”

        The Encyclopedia Americana states that this earthquake extended also to Greenland ; and of its effects upon the city of Lisbon, further says:

        ” The city then contained about 150,000 inhabitants. The shock was instantly followed by the fall of every church and convent, almost all the large public buildings, and more than one-fourth of the houses. In about two hours after the shock, fires broke out in different quarters, and raged with such violence, for the space of nearly three days, that the city was completely desolated. The earthquake happened on a holy-day, when the churches and convents were full of people, very few of whom escaped.”

        The events which follow the great earthquake under the sixth seal are the special signs, in the sun, moon, and stars, of the second coming of Christ. The dark day and dark night of 1780 is described in these words: “The sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood.” The moon that was full the day before, appeared through the darkness of the night like a ball of blood. This was the appearance as presented to the prophet. Christ, speaking of these signs, says, ” The sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall’ not give her light.”

        The Concord [N. H.] People speaks of the dark day, May 19, 1780, thus:—

        ” It was not the blackness of a storm-cloud, such as sometimes with a frightful agitation breaks over a single city; it was the silent spreading of the pall cloth over the earth by strong, invisible hands.”

        “The dark day, May 19, 1780, so called on account of a remarkable darkness on that day, extending over all New England, In some places persons could not see to read common print in the open air for several hours together. The true cause of this remarkable phenomenon is not known.”— Webster’s Dictionary, edition for 1869.

        The prophetic description of the falling of the stars met a literal fulfillment in the meteoric shower of Nov. 13, 1833, which was unlike any other on record in appearance, extent, and magnitude. The falling stars is the last special sign upon which believers, base their faith in the near second advent. The departing of the atmospheric heaven is after the close of probation. This seems evident from the fact that the affrighted multitudes in despair of the mercy of the Lord, direct their cries to mountains and rocks to fall on them and hide them from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb.

        While the book of Daniel has to do with four universal monarchies, Babylon, Persia, Grecia, and Rome, and its several chains of prophecy bring us with wonderful definiteness, to the day of God, the second coming of Christ, and the last Judgment the book of Revelation pertains to the fourth Rome, and its several lines of prophecy bring us down, with the same minuteness, to the same point, and open before us the naked glare of eternal scenes.

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