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Ex-Nun Exposes the Uniquely Evil Catholic Church! Must See and Share!

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A really evil dude, who represents a uniquely evil organization is walking around in the U.S. right now under the watchful eye of a tight-knit security detail.  The Pope (or Holy Father, as Obama and millions of Catholics call him) is perpetuating deceit in this land while the masses and the news media eat it up.  This dangerous merging of Government and Religion, uniting as one to achieve a common goal, is quite disturbing and destructive for the clueless masses.

A must hear message from someone who’s been on the inside of the Roman Catholic Church.

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    • Amminadab

      http://formercatholicsforchrist.com/maryancollins/

      If you use e-Sword or mysword there is a module of the book “Catholic Concerns”.

    • Be Prepared

      How hypocritical these government puppets, atheists, and Christian-haters constantly reminds us about their doctrine of “separation of church and state” (which is actually not in our Constitution, Bill of Rights, or amendments to the Constitution). Now when the pope comes, they let him prance around Washington D.C., spreading his filthy communist / NWO ideology. They revere him like he’s God on earth. These hypocrites hate and persecute actual Christians, but they bow to the evil Catholic church and papacy. Meanwhile, they forget, ignore, and/or don’t care about the evil history of Catholicism.

      • MikeSavage

        Be Prepared;
        Don’t forget that ALL sects of Christendom came AFTER the inception of the Roman Catholic Church in 325 a.d. They all incorporate the same Babylonish pagan beliefs and rituals to a greater or lesser degree than the RCC. None are truly Christian by God’s standards.

    • CTrent33

      This apostates story is old news.

    • CTrent33

      Her god is her priest. Her god is in heaven smiling down upon her. Her convent has a dirt floor. Her convent has a cement floor. This lady should have thought more about her crap story before spewing it. If this were in German, she would sound exactly like hitler. Anybody believing this “hitler”former “nun” is sorely naive.

      Confession once a month? No wonder she fell from the faith and dreamt up this crap.

      “The girls didn’t know that Jesus shed His blood for them.” That is what the Mass is. What an idiot.

      • Wretched Infidel

        SOUND EXACTLY LIKE HITLER? YOU ARE EVIL, CTRENT33, TOTALLY EVIL i CURSE YOU.

        • CTrent33

          No. This lady is evil and you are right there with her. Your curses mean nothing, for I am on the side of Christ.

          • Hi NSA, kiss my artichoke

            One cannot be on Christ’s side when they are on the “Catholics”.
            As “The Truth Wins” points out below.
            Though he/she forgot to add that the Bible states we are to call NO man our “Father”.

            • CTrent33

              Christ established Catholicism in the Bible. The Mass is in the Bible. The Sacraments are in the Bible. The Papacy is in the Bible. There is a clear line of Popes from St. Peter to the present. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm You cannot follow Christ if you are not in His Church.

              “Call none your father upon earth: Neither be ye called masters. The meaning is that our Father in heaven is incomparably more to be regarded, than any father upon earth: and no master to be followed, who would lead us away from Christ. But this does not hinder but that we are by the law of God to have a due respect both for our parents and spiritual fathers, (1 Cor. 4. 15) and for our masters and teachers.” – Douay Rheims Bible.

              1 Corinthians 4:14-15 “I write not these things to confound you; but I admonish you as my dearest children. For if you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet not many fathers. For in Christ Jesus, by the gospel, I have begotten you.”

            • Big dog.../small fish...

              WFT???

            • MikeSavage

              CTrent33;
              Christ ABSOLUTELY DID NOT create Catholicism in the Bible. The mass is NOT IN THE BIBLE. The Papacy is NOT in the Bible either. Peter may have been holy when he was alive, but no one who is dead can be holy. Saint means holy. The Catholic Church was started in 325 a.d. by a PAGAN emperor. It was the first organized “sect” of Christendom ever created. It’s mostly pagan, and was then. Christ teached AGAINST such religions and churches. He didn’t create what he taught against. The Catholic Church is the first pagan “sect” of Christendom. It’s not Christian. Christianity and Christendom are two separate things. One is what Jesus TAUGHT, and the other is in complete opposition to what the scriptures teach. You are completely misled by Satan if you think what you posted. You are also doomed to destruction if you don’t flee from her. Christendom is the modern day Babylon the Great.

            • Big dog.../small fish...

              @savage

              ”You are also doomed to destruction if you don’t flee from her. Christendom is the modern day Babylon the Great.”

              Stop moralising others. As long as this person is honest and compassionate he doesn’t need all this nonsense.

            • CTrent33

              Mike Savage,

              The Bible is half of what Catholicism is. Any teachings of Christ in it, is Catholicism. The other half of Catholicism is Tradition. Instituted by the Holy Ghost, through the Apostles.

              John 16:12-13 “I have yet many things to say to you: but you cannot bear them now. But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will teach you all truth. For he shall not speak of himself; but what things soever he shall hear, he shall speak; and the things that are to come, he shall shew you.”

              The Mass:

              Matthew 26 : 26-28 “And whilst they were at supper, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke: and gave to his disciples, and said: Take ye, and eat. This is my body. And taking the chalice, he gave thanks, and gave to them, saying: Drink ye all of this. For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins.”

              Acts 2:42“And they were persevering in the doctrine of the apostles, and in the COMMUNICATION OF THE BREAKING OF THE BREAD, AND IN PRAYERS.”

              The Papacy:

              Matthew 16:18-19 “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”

              John: 15-17 “When therefore they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me more than these? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: feed my lambs. He saith to him again: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: feed my lambs. He said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved, because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee. He said to him: feed my sheep.”

              The souls in Heaven are not dead. They have eternal life and are united with Christ. When you are united with Christ, you are holy:

              Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death. But the grace of God, life everlasting, in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

              Constantine:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqLBeCmyaKY

              Christianity and Christendom are the same. Im sure satan would love me to abandon Christ. The vast majority of the modern world has already done so. That is why it is a hell hole. By the Grace of God I will adhere to Jesus and, of course, the doctrines of His church until He calls me home.

            • Wretched Infidel

              Right, good points

              No man ‘Father’ in religion… He knew that was the thing they used, you know…

            • MikeSavage

              Doggoneit! Big dog/small fish;
              YOUR POST IS QUOTED BELOW:

              “@savage

              ”You are also doomed to destruction if you don’t flee from her. Christendom is the modern day Babylon the Great.”

              Stop moralising others. As long as this person is honest and compassionate he doesn’t need all this nonsense.”

              TO BEGIN WITH, I DON’T “MORALISE” OTHERS, AND MY POST CONTAINS NO MORALIZING. YOU SAID AS LONG AS A PERSON IS HONEST AND COMPASSIONATE, HE DOESN’T NEED ALL THIS NONSENSE. SHOW ME IN THE SCRIPTURES WITH A QUOTE, WHERE IT SAYS THAT, BECAUSE IT’S IN NONE OF THE 40 ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS I REFERENCE. GOD WANTS US TO DO HIS WILL, OR BE DESTROYED. HE DOESN’T WANT ANYONE TO BE DESTROYED, HE WANTS ALL TO ATTAIN TO REPENTANCE. WITH YOUR ATTITUDE, YOU HAVEN’T A CHANCE.

            • MikeSavage

              CTrent33;
              I don’t know where to start, so I will simply begin.
              An excerpt of your post:
              “The Bible is half of what Catholicism is. Any teachings of Christ in it, is Catholicism. The other half of Catholicism is Tradition. Instituted by the Holy Ghost, through the Apostles. ”
              THE BIBLE IS NOT HALF OF WHAT CATHOLICISM IS. MOST DEFINATELY NOT. THE CATHOLIC DR BIBLE IS A FAR CRY FROM ACCURATE WITH RESPECT TO THE EXISTENT ORIGINAL SCROLLS AND TEXTS. SINCE GOD SAID TO ABANDON THE TRADITIONS OF MEN AND CLING TO HIS WORD ONLY, YOU’VE SHOWN IN YOUR POST YET ANOTHER PROBLEM WITH CATHOLICISM.

              ANOTHER EXCERPT OF YOUR POST:
              “Christianity and Christendom are the same. Im sure satan would love me to abandon Christ. The vast majority of the modern world has already done so. That is why it is a hell hole. By the Grace of God I will adhere to Jesus and, of course, the doctrines of His church until He calls me home.”
              NO, CHRISTIANITY IS WHAT JESUS TAUGHT IN THE FIRST CENTURY. CHRISTENDOM IS WHAT CONSTANTINE, THE HEAD OF ALL PAGAN RELIGIONS OF ROME, CREATED IN 325 A.D. JESUS HAS NO CHURCH, CREATED NO CHURCH, AND TAUGHT AGAINST CHURCHES AND RELIGIONS OF MAN. NO ONE WILL CALL YOU HOME EITHER. AT DEATH, WE ARE DEAD. NOTHING SURVIVES OUR DEATH. OUR THOUGHTS DO PERISH. THE SOUL THAT SINS, IT ITSELF SHALL DIE. WE HAVE NO IMMORTAL SOUL. THE SCRIPTURES TEACH OF A RESURRECTION OF THE RIGHTEOUS AND THE UNRIGHTEOUS. THEY DON’T TEACH THAT WE GO TO HEAVEN OR TO A FICTITIOUS HELL. ONLY THE ANNOINTED 144,000 ARE TRANSFORMED INTO SPIRIT BEINGS AND GO TO HEAVEN TO FIGHT ARMAGEDDON, AND TO CO-RULE EARTH, FROM HEAVEN, WITH JESUS, OUR MESSIAH.
              THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE VERY FIRST ORGANIZED PAGAN RELIGION OF CHRISTENDOM. CHRISTENDOM CAME INTO EXISTENCE WITH THE FORMATION OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN THE FOURTH CENTURY, BY A PAGAN. IT’S MOSTLY PAGAN IN IT’S BELIEFS, RITUALS, TRADITIONS, AND ICONS. IT’S BABYLON THE GREAT. IT’S FALSE RELIGION. IT’S WORKS OF THE FLESH. YOU ARE SO THOROUGHLY MISLED THAT THERE PROBABLY ISN’T ANY HOPE OF YOU ACTUALLY ABANDONING FALSE RELIGION AND DRAWING TO GOD.

            • MikeSavage

              CTrent33;
              Shouldn’t the scriptures be the ONLY things that Catholicism teaches? Absolutely it should be, but sadly, it’s not. They teach pagan beliefs, traditions of men, and outright lies to their constituents. Being the first pagan religion that formed Christendom, they are the premier Babylonish religion to “flee from” as Revelation admonishes us to do as quickly as possible. Catholicism is one of Satan’s greatest efforts at false religion in misleading the “entire inhabited Earth”. Notice the pagan title “pontificus maximus”. It’s what Emperor Constantine, the head of all pagan religions in the fourth century, called hiimself, as does the pope today. The fish head hat is pagan. The cross is pagan. The immortality of soul is a pagan teaching. Hell fire is a pagan teaching. Clergy are spoken of very negatively in the scriptures. Clearly they are totally pagan. Unclean in God’s eyes. And the audacity of the Pope thinking he can tell God to make one a saint. And the lies of claiming that Jesus had anything whatsoever to do with the Catholic Church’s founding is blasphemy, and is a greiving of the spirit, an unforgiveable sin.

            • Damien

              Fred Flintstone

              “Christ created no Church.”

              ————-
              And upon this rock I will build my church.

              ==========

              Once again you are confusing being an atomized dissolute Murican individualist with being a Christian.

              For there to be a church there must be organization: Deacons, Bishops and Elders.

              In Scripture, bishops and elders are interchangeable terms. It is clear that Paul and Peter’s churches were led by a group of elders (older, experienced, or trusted men), whose office was referred to as bishop or overseer (interchangeable terms, both translate the one Greek word episkopos).

              It was their job to shepherd the church (Acts 20:28), and so they are the “pastors” in the New Testament.

              Apparently, from history, John did not format his churches this way. He had a group of elders, but only one of those held the title of bishop or overseer. He was, so to speak, the head elder or head pastor.

              Sometime during the 2nd century, John’s usage won out. There is no reference to bishops and elders being the same people after Polycarp’s letter to the Philippians dated some time between A.D. 110 and 150.

              The later reference to priests is a reference to the elders, who began to be called priests around the mid 3rd century.

            • Damien

              Barney Bardot

              The Christ (the annointed) was given gold frankincense and myrrh (with which to be annointed) by the Zoroastrian Maguses from Babylon.

            • MikeSavage

              DamnEI:
              YOUR POST:
              Fred Flintstone

              “Christ created no Church.”

              ————-
              And upon this rock I will build my church.

              THE ORIGINAL TEXT READS WHEN LITERALLY TRANSLATED FROM KOINE GREEK INTO ENGLISH”
              AND I BUT TO YOU AM SAYING THAT YOU ARE PETER, AND UPON THIS THE ROCK-MASS I WILL BUILD OF ME THE CONGREGATION (ECCLESIA, MEANING PEOPLE OR CONGREGATION DEPENDING ON CONTEXT) , AND GATES OF HADES (COMMON GRAVE OF MAN) WILL NOT OVERPOWER IT,

              THE WORD ECCLESIA DOES NOT, I REPEAT, DOES NOT TRANSLATE INTO CHURCH. IT HAS ONLY TWO ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS, CONGREGATION OR PEOPLE.

              JESUS TAUGHT VEHEMENTLY AGAINST CHURCHES AND ALL SECTS, CALLING THEM “WORKS OF THE FLESH”, AND HE TAUGHT THAT CLERGY, YOUR DEACONS, BISHIPS, ETC. ARE SEEKING GLORY FROM MEN, RATHER THAN GIVING GLORY TO GOD THE FATHER IN HEAVEN. WHAT YOU POSTED IS NOTHING MORE THAN RHETORIC FROM FALSE RELIGIONS THAT ARE DOOMED TO DESTRUCTION AS “BABYLON THE GREAT”.

            • Damien

              Savage

              And when people say the whole church rose do they mean a building levitated? No they mean the whole congregation rose. So you accept all these congregations then. OK. That makes more sense.

              Where though does the New Testament damn St Paul and St Peter to Hades for being Presbytors? I must have missed that bit.

          • Wretched Infidel

            We know who your Christ is by your affiliation and your logo flaming heart of Baal.

            Your Lord is Baal. Not Yahushua. Therefore you are taking ancient mysteries and no truth do you entertain. Who is evil? I may be, but not this lady. Definitely you are.

          • Wretched Infidel

            And your Priests’ curses, they mean _____ ? Wonder why they wave the sign of the cross over your head all the time? lol I mean get real it is a magical symbol and they hex you with it that is why you are like this…

    • Klemens

      If you hear this women, than you know she is not a nun!
      Devils are inside this women.
      I know some catholic nuns, they never speak like this.

      But you have to know that you allways have priest, bishops and nuns which are not ok.
      Why? Just think!
      Even one of the twelve Jesus follower, Judas, was a wrong guy.

      So do not take to much attantion of this women, the only thing you can do Pray for her!

      • Wretched Infidel

        Have you even in the slightest way, considered that she is the right one? Out of all the other nuns of whom you glowingly speak?

        The ones of whom you speak, above, Klemens, are the truly totally BRAINWASHED ONES. BRAINWASHED NUNS.

        This one is still somewhat braindead. but at least she has a lot of it right, after all she has been thru, that ALONE is a freaking MIRACLE.

        May IAUE help her to come all the WAY OUT of this evil, INIQUITOUS RELIGION.

        May IAUE BLESS THIS BRAVE WOMAN… BLESS HER RICHLY, PLEASE FATHER IAUE
        help her to realise even all your truths, WHO YOU ARE, tho nobody has ever told her about you or YOUR MESSIAH, NOT JESUS

        but YAHUSHUA.

        • W. Willow

          Indeed, it sounds like they did everything to break her spirit and control her mind. It sounded to me like an accurate but compassionate testimony. What easier prey than tender young women who want to be accepted and loved by God.

          Like she said, the RCC is Satan’s Masterpiece (right alongside Judaism) in destroying the credibility of God by wolves in shepherds’ clothing.

          • Wretched Infidel

            Yes. Well said, White Willow. Exactly. How terrible, and How Sad. it’s a Crime Against Nature, and against young women, old women, boys, young and older.

            Against all of humanity. That is what these men in their gold chains of crosses, sun moon and stars, serpents entwined and fish hats and robes do to us.

            They work against all that IAUE loves and that Yahushua suffered death and torture to save.

            I hate these mother f_ckers.

      • cyberkahuna

        I agree Klemens this is anyone but a nun. I have never heard one talk like this either. But I guess if your agenda is hating and persecuting Catholics then this type of trash story is just perfect for the authors sickening agenda. Look how many pathetic Catholic persecutor morons he has managed to attract. Look at the comments around ours nothing but a bunch of sicko’s spewing filth. How pathetic. :lol:

        • Wretched Infidel

          Why, do you think all nuns should sound alike? Oh boy! That is rich…

          zombie nuns actually that is not even funny, it is tragic that you expect this from them all – to sound and talk the same! oh dear, I laugh again and this is tragic, it is not funny

          • cyberkahuna

            No one said they should all “sound alike”. Nor should they be “zombie nuns.” YOU did. And a nice twist on words. Agenda much? Silly question I guess. What is meant is Catholic nuns do their jobs with VERY high standards. Nuns have standards that the average woman could never achieve. catholics are used to seeing such high standards from nuns. Ya keep laughing the last sentence in my post you tried to insult me about. You don’t suppose you could be one? Nah………

    • Pix

      “The Pope (or Holy Father, as Obama and millions of Catholics call him) …”

      There are 1.1 BILLION Catholics. It’s written into the USA constitution, the USA can never become a Catholic or any other religious dictatorship. The USA is a secular country that allows equality for freedom of expression and practice of spirituality. That doesn’t include forcing other people to practice it for you or vilifying, criminalising and murdering people for disagreeing. The Pope is the head of the Vatican, which is an independent city state country, within Rome. As such it has every right to expect political acknowledgement and respect from other heads of states. It leads 1/6 of the global population, so is no small influence. Verses America with it’s mere 319 million population. The USA is the little guy in comparison.

      :lol:

      • Wretched Infidel

        You are right, Pix.

        Holy Father, too, isn’t that extremely funny?! I mean, hell, what is UP WITH THAT! LOLOL>>>sigh

      • wiseoldlady

        Research shows that black nobility used false doctrine, from day one, to create religion, or in reality another arm of politics, to control, and dumb down the masses. There are 3 corporations in control of planet earth…. City of London…DC….Vatican. Doesn’t matter how many are catholic or how many are atheist or how many are Lutheran or Methodist. What does matter is still so few realize the game is no different than putting republicans against democrats. They are ALL one and the same criminals, liars, etc…. we have been living in an illusion….a deliberate trickery of concealment and misrepresentation of the visual. This evil black nobility plays one against the other to trick us while under the guise having total control. Wake up. As long as people think the Vatican is good they consent to the black nobility and deviled extremes. If you did some REAL Hebrew language research (understanding definitions and interpretations of Hebrew to English in the Bible) you would realize the mass is a mockery to God…. in other words the mass acknowledges the pagan sun god….. all deliberate trickery.

      • Big dog.../small fish...

        Well said!

    • illi

      I believe her. She was treated very badly and has all that energy stored up inside her to say these things through this recording. It seems like she has so much stored up hatred, and remorse that she could go on talking like this forever because it’s such a relief to her. It’s hard to believe that she couldn’t just walk away. You know, out the door and down the street. I guess it’s a lot of mental enslavement too. She doesn’t say where this took place or what the nationality of the nuns, and priests were. Why do people in power choose to be evil to others when they know the system is rigged in their favor and they won’t have to pay for their crimes? Why evil?

      • Wretched Infidel

        She was treated very badly and has all that energy stored up inside her to say these things through this recording. It seems like she has so much stored up hatred, and remorse that she could go on talking like this forever because it’s such a relief to her.

        WELL EXPRESSED. YOUR COMPASSION AND PERCEPTION ARE ACUTE. MAY IAUE BLESS YOU FOR THIS

    • Pink Slime

      WOW! Catholics sound much like Moslems and Mormons.

      I know Mormons have similiar nonsense beliefs and they (Mormons, Catholics and Moslems) sure take advantage of women and children don’t they?

      Catholics and Moslems seem to commit pedophile on young boys.

      • Wretched Infidel

        You’re true on that. Also Mormons and Amish.

        • Three69ingSquirrels

          And Christians.

          • Wretched Infidel

            Yes. Mormons and Amish are Christians like Catholics.

            • MikeSavage

              Wretched;
              They’re NOT Christian, they’re Christendom.

            • Wretched Infidel

              Mike, They ARE Christians. Define Christian. It is a belief in Christ, an adherent of Christ. Who is Christ? Christ is a Solar-Deity-worshipping term used to designate a believer in a saviour-figure.

              As taught in Church, (christian houses of belief) this figure is not the same Messiah revealed to us in the manuscripts, but closely adheres to SAtanic, Solar-Deity religious principles, takes the doctrine of the Solar Deity worship, and eschews as obsolete or non-applicable the very doctrines which the Messiah Yahushua came to earth to reteach mankind: the words of his Father, IAUE.

              If we are only honouring and acknowledging the Messiah revealed to us in the scriptures, and we wish to be different and separate from the Solar-Deity-worshippers, then we need to say so. State so. By using the proper Name of IAUE, the Father, of Yahushua, the Messiah, per the scriptures before the lying Solar Deity-orshippers got in and changed names on us.

              Sadly, we are being deceived as the name ‘Christ’ was a proper name once, of a Solar Deity, and has become the general, catch-all, Solar-Deity-worshipping term used by even Satanists.

              By Christ, you align yourselves with a figure (Solar) Christos. Related to the figure Krishna. If you want to worship and honour the Solar Deity, this is your choice, but do not mix that up with the Messiah and the Biblical Father-Creator, who are two separate Beings, and are against all of that.

            • MikeSavage

              Wretched;
              Christians are not those who have a belief in Christ, only. It is all of what Jesus taught, and it is adhering to all of God’s commands. ALL OF THEM. It is having nothing to do with ANYTHING pagan, or of man. ALL religions of Christendom are rife with things pagan. Cross is pagan, hellfire is pagan, immortal soul is pagan, “rapture” is pagan. Forsaking the use of God’s personal name is pagan.

              Jesus taught that churches and clergy are false religion. Part of Babylon the Great. All “sects” are called works of the flesh in Galations. All “sects” of Christendom have aspects of pagan Babylon’s religions in them. ALL OF THEM. they are not Christian, they are Christendom. Straight out of Constantine’s half pagan Roman Catholic Church.

            • MikeSavage

              Wretched;
              Incidentally, your long post is a very strange compilation of fiction from some very strange minds. None of it is accurate. None of your claims about the scriptures are accurate either. Not one of the original texts, secular texts of the time, or later writings support one word of your post.

    • The Truth Wins

      I am a Protestant Christian and know the Bible pretty well. In God’s Word I have found numerous scriptures that directly and vehemently contradict Catholic Church ideology. Those include:

      1. It is forbidden to worship any created object. This would include the Pope.
      2. It is forbidden to bow before, or pray to idols. This is done routinely in Catholic churches and before the figurines of various saints, the Virgin Mary, etc.
      3. Mary is not to be worshiped and is not the ‘Queen of Heaven’. That title was given to various pagan deities which were/are enemies of God’s people.
      4. Forgiveness for one’s sins is achieved by asking for it from God the Father and His Son, the latter of whom died a horrific crucifixion death so that He could serve as the world’s sacrificial, unblemished Lamb. Forgiveness cannot be granted by flesh and blood human beings (priests, the Pope, bishops, cardinals).
      5. There is no such thing as Holy water.
      6. The bread and wine for communion is literally NOT Christ’s flesh and blood. That would mean that every time the Eucharist is performed, that Jesus is killed over and over. The Bible states that it was over after one time.
      7. Pagan holidays such as Halloween and All Saints Eve, among others, are not to be celebrated. Look into the Celtic/Druid/Norse beginnings of Halloween (Samhein) and if a Christian you will never celebrate them again.
      8. Servants of the church such as nuns and priests can get married.
      9. Peter did not die in Rome (and therefore wasn’t the first ‘Pope’). There isn’t even any direct evidence that Peter traveled to Rome to preach prior to his death.
      10. There is no such thing as Purgatory. Also, you don’t buy your way out of a place between heaven and hell.
      11. Baptism is to be conducted when one consciously decides to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior and His example of complete immersion is to be followed. Why else did Jesus do it that way when He was older?

      Anyway, those are just several things that come to mind which the Catholic Church believes in and of which there is no support for in the Bible. How did the Vatican so distort the Truth and Light? Catholics can certainly be saved by accepting Jesus as their Lord and Savior and asking for the forgiveness of their sins via God the Father’s mercy and grace. It is there for anyone…Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, black, white, yellow, homosexual, heterosexual, etc. Take it from a person who lived in darkness and evil ways for most of his life. I know that I am forgiven and LOVED by God for who I am. All I did was ask for forgiveness, accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, and allowed the Holy Spirit to work in my life. Very simple and the best thing that I’ve ever done!

      • Pilgrim

        The catholic church was a counterfeit Church from day one and is the largest religious Cult in the world. Those, that tried to expose this evil entity, were persecuted and killed throughout its history. I left this evil cult a long time ago when the living Christ Jesus got a hold of me on my journey.

      • Mayhem

        Apparently you don’t know your Bible well enough given your religion is a Harlot of the Babylonian Whore. The Reformationists (pardon please – Protestants) didn’t do away with enough of their Catholic roots, in my opinion.

        Tell me: is Baptism essential for Salvation and if so does that mean that Faith alone is insufficient?

        • MikeSavage

          Mayhem;
          James 2:26 Indeed, just as the body without spirit (breath of life) is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

      • Mayhem

        @The Truth Wins. It appears you’re happy to attack other religions but not to defend your own which is very telling.

        • MikeSavage

          Mayhem;
          There is but one true religion. It’s the “one true faith” that Jesus taught to his disciples and apostles. It’s not a religion created by man, not a church, no clergy, no doctrine of any church. It’s Christianity. EVERYTHING ELSE is an abhorrence to God. Everything. It’s better for someone to never have any idea of any religion at all, than to be part of a church.

          • Mayhem

            Shut up, Savage, my views on the JW-Church have been expressed further down this blog and you’re only posting up here hoping to make it appear that i have no answer. Keep it up, sunshine, and i might just wind up with a bee in my bonnet.

            So was that Charles Taze Russell’s grave marker or not? It’s pyramid shaped complete with cap stone but instead of the all seeing eye it has the Templar logo, hmm. Mason, Templar, Lying Pastor. Sounds like the archetypal Church to me but what would i know? Call it whatever spins your wheels, Challie but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it shouldn’t have to fly to prove it’s a duck.

            • MikeSavage

              Mayhem;
              No, I won’t “shut up” you little child. There is no JW-Church, never has been, nor will there ever be one. And what is this “Challie” business of yours? You’re pretty strange you know. I’ve never seen C.T. Russel’s grave either, but you seem to have an obsession with it for some weird reason. And what would you know? Absolutely nothing it appears. Nothing at all. You seem incapable of knowing anything, or of posting anything worth reading.

            • Mayhem

              So you accept that it is CTR’s headstone, that’s a start at least, and the only interest i have regarding your church’s-founding-father’s grave is that it reeks of Masonry and the Knights Templar.

              Challie is an insulting nickname, for jay-dubs, pulled from “Charles” and “Russell”. Anything else i can clear up for you?

            • Mayhem

              I would much rather discuss doctrine, as found in Scripture, but whenever i try to get deeper into it you shut down and refuse to answer for your faith.

              I’ve tried discussing the NWT’s dubious manipulations just as i’ve broached your Trinitarian doctrine but to no avail. Amen.

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              Careful with that axe, Mayhem.

              Jehovah’s Witnesses aren’t Trinitarians.

            • Mayhem

              Must try harder to not let my ignorance show. I read this…

              http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20090401/is-jesus-god/

              … leapt to a conclusion based on what i thought was a rhetorical question then proceeded to, royally, stuff things up. Thanks WALTER and if everyone else could just overlook my stupidity while i get stuck into a big helping of humble pie.

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              Better you heard it from me than from Savage. You might not have believed him.

              Humble pie? Humbug. Commence savaging the Witness.

            • Mayhem

              I don’t mind eating my fair share, WALTER, especially humility that comes from wisdom. I read that somewhere…

              “Without humility, you are unable to learn.” Laszlo Bock.

              … wait that’s not it, um, James 3:13 is more like it although the IT guru makes a good point too.

            • MikeSavage

              Mayhem;
              Why must you constantly prove that you ‘re not a Christian? Why must you constantly turn your back on God and His son, Jesus? Why must you constantly prove that your father is Satan and not God the Almighty? You can stop now, we get it.

            • MikeSavage

              Mayhem;
              Belief in a trinity of gods is pagan and I am not a pagan. Nowhere in the scriptures is a trinity supported in any way whatsoever.

            • Mayhem

              “Belief in a trinity of gods is pagan and I am not a pagan. Nowhere in the scriptures is a trinity supported in any way whatsoever.”

              I agree, Savage/Emery, except for the part about you not being a pagan. You’re also correct that i’m no christian and nor have i claimed to be any such thing for nearly a decade now. Get right with The Word, Challie, a christian is about the last thing anyone should want to be.

            • Mayhem

              … and who is “we”, Savage?

            • MikeSavage

              Mayhem;
              I’ve quoted your post below:

              I would much rather discuss doctrine, as found in Scripture, but whenever i try to get deeper into it you shut down and refuse to answer for your faith.

              ANSWER FOR MY FAITH? ARE YOU INSANE? MY FAITH IS THE SCRIPTURES, GOD’S INSPIRED WORD. WHAT’S TO ANSWER FOR? AND WHO ARE YOU TO WHOM I SHOULD “ANSWER”? YOU’RE JUST A NUTCASE ON A BLOG.

              I’ve tried discussing the NWT’s dubious manipulations just as i’ve broached your Trinitarian doctrine but to no avail. Amen.

              NO NWT’S DUBIOUS MANIPULATIONS EXIST. YOU’VE ALSO NEVER TRIED “DISCUSSING” ANYTHING, YOU ONLY MAKE ACCUSATIONS, CALL NAMES, INSULT, AND REVILE IN YOUR PERSECUTIONS OF GOD’S PEOPLE. YOUR WHOLE POST THAT I’VE QUOTED ABOVE IS A TOTAL LIE.

            • MikeSavage

              Mayhem;

              “Belief in a trinity of gods is pagan and I am not a pagan. Nowhere in the scriptures is a trinity supported in any way whatsoever.”

              I agree, Savage/Emery, except for the part about you not being a pagan. You’re also correct that i’m no christian and nor have i claimed to be any such thing for nearly a decade now. Get right with The Word, Challie, a christian is about the last thing anyone should want to be.
              LOOK MORON, I AM CHRISTIAN, NOT OF CHRISTENDOM (ALL RELIGIONS OF MAN CLAIMING TO BE CHRISTIAN). I DOUBT YOU’VE EVER MET A REAL CHRISTIAN. AND MY NAME ISN’T CHALLIE. BEING A REAL CHRISTIAN IS WHAT EVERYONE SHOULD BE, AND SHOULD WANT TO BE. BEING PART OF CHRISTENDOM IS LITERALLY SUICIDE, THE SAME FATE YOU’VE CHOSEN FOR YOURSELF. YOU’RE AN ABSURD UNEDUCATED PERSECUTING ENEMY OF OUR CREATOR AND HIS PEOPLE. YOU HAVE NOTHING OF VALUE TO ADD TO ANY CONVERSATION.

            • Mayhem

              Yes i am insane which is self evident by asking you the same questions, over and over again, all the while expecting you would/could answer for your Faith given your own Bible commands that you do exactly that…

              “But sanctify the Christ as Lord in your hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone who demands of you a reason for the hope you have, but doing so with a mild temper+ and deep respect.” – 1 Peter 3:15 – NWT

              … hmm? But i’ll tell you what i’m not and that’s stupid enough to imagine shouting will improve the clarity of my comments.

              Regardless, Savage, lets look to some of the dubious manipulations which you are on the record expressly denying any such thing exists. In Colossians 1:16-20 the NWT has added the word “other” five times, for example…

              “All other things have been created through him and for him.”

              … despite what Scripture teaches about adding to, or subtracting from, The Word and these manipulations clearly show the JW’s trying to hide the deity of Jesus which is a common theme of the NWT as we’ll soon see. Onward to Titus 2:13 where the NWT has added the words “of our”, namely…

              … glorious manifestation of the great God and of our Savior,..

              … Similarly in Acts 20:28 Scripture has God purchasing the church with His own blood whereas the NWT changes it to…

              …shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son

              … and while this might appear to be a very minor point it is yet another example of the JW’s twisting The Word in order to deny the deity of Jesus. Then there is the case of John 1:1 where the NWT has G2316 – theos – variously translated as “God” or as “a god” in order to add more weight to the JW claim that Jesus is not God.

              A more subtle example has the NWT variously translating G4352 – proskuneó – as “obeisance” when attributing it to Jesus and as “worship” when it points to God and while it’s also not necessarily incorrect this tricky-dicky move serves to further support the JW claim that Jesus is not God. Lets compare the NWT with the Interlinear where we find in Matthew 14:33…

              http://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/14-33.htm
              http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/matthew/14/

              … and contrast this with John 4:20…

              http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/4-20.htm
              http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/john/4/

              … and allow the reader to decide which of us is the liar, Savage/Emery, the man who once claimed that Moses was commanded to sacrifice his first born, Isaac, and then proceeded to lie about how he was tricking all us idiots. To be fair the JW’s are forced to make these changes because, after all, they do claim Jesus returned in 1914.

            • Mayhem

              Whats in a name? Good question, Savage/Emery and although “Christ” is a title not a name, nevertheless, lets explore the subject. The Codex Sinaiticus, the Bodmer Papyri VII & VIII (Papyrus 72) plus the Codex Vaticanus all arguably reveal that “Crestuaneos” was penned initially, not “Christianous”…

              Crestuaneos means “useful tools and upright servants” – not necessarily Jesus.

              Christianous means “those who are drugged.” – definitely not Jesus.

              … and i choose to use neither for fear that the, possibly, incorrect translation Christos and the correct translation Chrestus both point to a man who started a rebellion some 15 years after Jesus was crucified.

              This rebellion resulted in the Roman Emperor, Claudius, expelling the Jews from Rome (as likely mentioned in Acts 18:2) to which Roman historians Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus, Lucius Cassius Dio and Paulus Orosius all attest.

              Having said as much why take the chance that one is really calling Jesus a druggie?

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              A sound gobsmacking!

              And I had been unaware of this:

              “Similarly in Acts 20:28 Scripture has God purchasing the church with His own blood whereas the NWT changes it to… …shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son…”

              Bad bad bad.

              Dirty little New World Translators. They are, bar none, the most intentionally deceptive of all the lying scribes.

              BUT (did you see Mayhem do a facepalm when I said ‘but’) in the interest of brutal fairness, we owe the Jehovah’s a modicum of leeway with respect to John 1:1, which reads thus:

              In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with *GOD* (THEON) and the Word was **GOD** (THEOS).

              Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν *Θεόν*, καὶ **Θεὸς** ἦν ὁ Λόγος.

              A literal translation of that verse would read:

              In the beginning was The Logos and The Logos was toward The Theon and Theos was the Logos.

              Now this is the difference between the accusative singular (THEON) and the nominative singular (THEOS) forms, which our own translators simply ignore. But there’s a difference in the Manuscripts. The Jehovah’s render it: ‘It the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was A God.’ That translation actually MAY be closer to what we find in the Greek. I believe we can say that while still maintaining a claim to monotheism. I believe in the deity of Messiah, whereas the Jehovah’s believe in Messiah’s deity only conditionally – they say Messiah is a created being and that He had a beginning, but He will have no end. I believe Messiah (The Word/Logos) had no beginning and agree He will have no end. I say this because I believe Messiah is GOD – not A God.

              But the wiggle-room is there in John 1:1 for the Jehovahs to argue their interpretation without resorting to the kinds of malfeasance we see perpetrated, in the verses highlighted by Mayhem and elsewhere, by the New World Translators.

            • Damien

              “Imagine for yourself a character, a model personality, whose example you determine to follow, in private as well as in public.”

              Epictetus on Imagination

              Epictetus is faithful to the orthodox Stoic view of assent as the decisive moment of rational control over action, but instead of expounding the classical theory of sunkatathesis (which was probably too technical for his taste), he prefers to develop two
              equivalent or closely allied notions which he can formulate in a personal way. The first is what he calls the rational “use of impressions,” CHRESIS TON PHANTASION, which is just a more vivid phrase for the rational testing of impressions to see whether or not they deserve our assent.

              ΧΡΉΣΗΣ ΤΟΝ ΦΑΝΤΑΣΊΩΝ

              Chresis ton phantasion

              (USE THE GHOSTS)

              ———————–

              Strong’s Number: 5540 xrh=siv

              Original Word Word Origin

              xrh=siv from (5530)

              Transliterated Word Phonetic Spelling

              Chresis khray’-sis

              Parts of Speech TDNT

              Noun Feminine None

              Definition

              use

              of the sexual use of a woman

              Translated Words

              KJV (2) – use, 2;

              NAS (2) – function, 2;

              Verse Count

              KJV NAS

              Romans 2

              Romans 2

            • Mayhem

              For certain, WALTER, big face palm with the thought – “What did i say now” – flashing across my two good brain cells. To be fair none of the examples are conclusive, when isolated, but i argue that’s due to the subtlety of the manipulators who patiently build their case.

              I agree entirely with your position but do note that where John 1:1 says “the Logos” the JW’s change that to “a god” and i argue that one of those terms is singular and the other allows for plurality.

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              Mayhem writes:

              “To be fair none of the examples are conclusive, when isolated, but i argue that’s due to the subtlety of the manipulators who patiently build their case.”

              That’s about how it is, near as I can tell. A little twist here and a little tweak there and pretty soon the entire world has wandered off of its foundations.

              “…where John 1:1 says “the Logos” the JW’s change that to “a god” and i argue that one of those terms is singular and the other allows for plurality.”

              You mean Theon and Theos? Which one allows for plurality? If it’s Theon then we’re in bidniss. But what’s your basis for the argument?

              PS — Does anyone have any clue what Meidan is on about? Some strange substance that one imbibes. To be sure. I’d hate to think of her being conducting performances like that without the help of some comestible or other. Scattered and peeled.

            • Damien

              WALTER

              I suspect that chresis (use) is related to the other Christ like words in the old records mentioned by Mayhem. It is interesting as Epictetus (died 135 AD) was one of the first mentioners of the Christians but I think he called them Galileans rather than the followers of Chrestus while using a word related to chrestus in hisown philosophy of free will.

              If we wish for nothing but what God wills, we shall be truly free, and all will come to pass with us according to our desire; and we shall be as little subject to restraint as Zeus himself.

              Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth .

            • Damien

              Then there is the female sexual use by a (Holy?) ghost. Not that I can understand Greek.

              ΧΡΉΣΗΣ ΤΟΝ ΦΑΝΤΑΣΊΩΝ

              Chresis ton phantasion

              (USE THE GHOSTS)

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              Meidan wrote:

              “I suspect that chresis (use) is related to the other Christ like words in the old records mentioned by Mayhem.”

              If there is truth to that assertion, as I originally believed there to be, I have difficulty finding supporting evidence for it in the earliest Manuscripts and Papyri. We have documentation extending into the late second century which clearly reflects usage of Χριστός (Christós) as arguably nothing other than a Greek equivalent of the Hebrew משיח (Mashiach). I am familiar with, and I used to subscribe to, the argument that Χριστός (Christós) is based on pagan deity names or other such unflattering concepts. But I used to rest my conclusions about the issue based on the belief that all New Testament texts were originally recorded in Hebrew or Aramaic. By far, the evidence I became later familiar with tells quite a different tale; all the tangible evidence I have considered suggests that ALL New Testament texts were originally recorded in Greek.

              Isaiah 28:11

              For with stammering lips and another tongue will He speak to this people (the Ephraimites).

              Forensic analysis of the Greek texts likewise indicates that Greek was the language of original authorship. I have become convinced that this is the correct argument. Therefore, I have retreated from my earlier assertion that ‘Christ’ is a problematic term due to its apparent pagan associations.

              “It is interesting as Epictetus (died 135 AD) was one of the first mentioners of the Christians but I think he called them Galileans rather than the followers of Chrestus while using a word related to chrestus in hisown philosophy of free will.”

              The Book of Acts is heavily represented in both Manuscript and Papyrus form. This is the first time mention is made of followers of The Messiah being referred to as ‘Christians’:

              Acts 11:28

              …And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

              What we have here is the Greek word Χριστιανούς (Christianoús), which is problematic for other reasons. The main reason is that it is never firmly established in Scripture whether Χριστιανούς (Christianoús) was intended as a derogatory term, or was merely the title assumed by followers of The Messiah. My sense is that the former is what Scripture intends to convey. The word only occurs two other times in New Testament Scripture, and both times there is ample reason to conclude that Christianoús was a derogatory term. For example:

              1 Peter 4:16

              Yet if any man suffer as a Christian [Χριστιανούς (Christianoús)], let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

              Could this be taken to mean that: If a Nazarene (or a seeker after the Way of Life) suffer as a Christian (a derogatory term employed by the persecution), let him not be ashamed.

              ???

              I believe that to be the correct understanding of the verse. I maintain my former position of problematic association with the word ‘Christian’ – but I no longer hold to that assertion with respect to the Greek word Χριστός (Christós) for the reasons explained.

              But speaking of problematic, what you wrote next I find to be exactly that. You wrote:

              “If we wish for nothing but what God wills, we shall be truly free…”

              …no problem so far…

              “…and all will come to pass with us according to our desire…”

              And halt. What is this ‘our desire’ nonsense? Our desires are nothing but dangerous perversions while we live in this world in the flesh. Our desires are, in the main, a thing to be subdued because our innate desires are according to Beast Nature. Beast Nature must be overcome by Spirit Nature. That is the definition of becoming reborn – remade in His image and likeness.

              But what is this you say?

              “…and we shall be as little subject to restraint as Zeus himself.”

              You have just eliminated all doubt as to your meaning. You just launched yourself head-first across the threshold into the doctrines and teaching of the Enemy. You just took a big old bite out of that forbidden fruit, right here for all to see, and your chin is still dripping. Maidan, I worship a different God.

              “Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth.”

              As in Heaven, so on Earth. That’s practically the Hermetic Maxim.

              The Kingdom of the Most High is indeed coming here to Earth. Sounds to me like you have a good deal of house cleaning to do before that happens. Slipping into enemy-speak and comparing yourself to Zeus is no way to keep your temple in order. I find your posts confusing and often times incoherent. I try to make sense of what you write and often I cannot. Perhaps I have just gleaned a good bit of understanding as to why that is. You have work to do, friend. You have choices to make. Fence sitting lands you, in all cases, squarely in the Enemy’s camp. You need to choose which Master you will serve, and get it right in your own head so that confusion no longer persists.

            • Mayhem

              I understand that The Word was God but not “a god” as the NWT has it and i imagine that’s useful when it comes to denying the deity of Jesus.

              Allowing many to claim – “Well yeah, he’s a god but not The God” with “he” being the Word made flesh.

            • Mayhem

              Interesting discourse (from WALTER) on Christ as a title for Jesus and since Mr Savage didn’t take the bait i’m forced to volunteer this clarification.

              I have no doubt who the Apostles meant each and every time they used G5547 – Christos – the Messiah. I just fret that religions might be mis-using it e.g. Christmas.

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              “I just fret that religions might be mis-using it e.g. Christmas.”

              You mean like this:

              (From the Wiki on ‘Mass’)

              “The term “Mass” is derived from the Late Latin word missa (dismissal), a word used in the concluding formula of Mass in Latin: “Ite, missa est” (“Go; it is the dismissal”).[6][7] “In antiquity, missa simply meant ‘dismissal’.”

              So Christmas = Christ Dismissal.

              Dirty Romans.

            • Mayhem

              I might well have meant that, WALTER, if i’d known about it. Very interesting and that sounds much worse than what i had my knickers all bunched up about.

      • Wretched Infidel

        You got a lot of things right up there. I am glad you seem to be a researcher. However there are some vital points you need as well.

        Please see /alternative/2015/09/the-jesuits-have-arrived-a-primer-3219896.html

        to use as a starting point
        and check out Come Out Of Her, My People, by C. J. Koster

        also The Sacred Name Yahweh, by R. Clover, Covina, CAlifornia, you cannot buy this book, you have to get it download free on net
        some of it is wrong, tho, in the later chapts, donot be afraid, he uses his own personal (erroneous) opinion as a fact and that is just very very bad, but otherwise, it is all good research, and not to thro baby out with bath water, you know

    • MikeSavage

      This really isn’t news. Since it’s formation in 325 a.d. by a pagan emperor, Constantine, the Pontificus Maximus, the Catholic Church has been mostly pagan, with all the pagan beliefs, rituals, icons, images, statues, and idolatry. It’s hands are soaked in blood from the crusades, and from ritual killing of newborn babies in satanic sacrifices, of which many popes have been convicted in Italian and world courts. This particular pope was convicted in the 70′s of the deaths of 50,000 Ecuadorian children. Everything that is Catholic, is the opposite of what the scriptures teach. ALL other “sects” of Christendom are essentially modeled after the Catholic Church in beliefs and idols and rituals. Revelation says they are “Babylon the Great”. Galations says they are “works of the flesh”.

    • puddin

      Dude, everyone who’s in the know, knows the Catholic church is evil.
      Ye shall know them by their fruits. Matt 7:16 and 7:20
      And the flock will follow
      And shall go out to deviece the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. Rev 20:8

    • G. K. Fotou Writes

      http://www.nairaland.com/593934/refutation-testimony-charlotte-wells-charlotte

      BAD Fiction!

      Consider the following (link above):

      Before we go any further, however, it is helpful to discuss a logical fallacy called ‘shifting the burden of proof’. This is basically a logical error in which the side which makes an asserton tries to make the other side prove the assertion is not true. Example: ‘Aliens landed in my backyard last night. Prove they didn’t. If you can’t prove they didn’t, well, there’s the proof they did. Right?‘ Wrong. All this does is show that ths side making the assertion has nothing to back up its statement.

      I mention this logical fallacy because the case of Charlotte Keckler is a perfect example of attempting to shift the burden of proof away from the side making the ludicrous assertion (namely, that her story is true). In actual fact, the Keckler story, being an assertion of something that supposedly happened, itself bears the burden of proof. Later we shall see the attempted responses of those who knew Charlotte Keckler in real life, and we shall see how their efforts at “proof” end up as nothing more than pathetic efforts to shift the burden of proof.

      Who was Charlotte Wells?

      Charlotte Wells was not her real name, and she has been deceased since 1983. One wonders why she felt the need to hide her real identity behind a pseudonym; after all, it would be easy then to check if she were ever in the convent she claimed to be in, whether the events described really happened. There is substantial evidence that her real name was Keckler, among which being the appearance of the exact same story under this name. The author of this article has contacted four individuals who knew this Charlotte Keckler, two of whom are listed in the published introduction of her story (the publishers are Bible Tabernacle books). In contrast to ‘verifing’ her story as the introduction of the book claims, all they can repeat is that ‘her story has never been disproven’ (email from TF Tenney on the United Pentecostal Church International, on file). As if the burden of proof agaisnt a ludicrous story like that of Charlotte Wells lay anywhere else but on the side of those claiming it to be true. I would suggest that lying for 14 years and failing to mention a single name from that time or location puts the burden of proof right on the side of Charlotte Keckler. But she, nor those who knew her, are able to produce a single shred of evidence for this big lie. (Note: the individuals who knew this woman all knew her after her supposed convent horror. Sadly they were only too willing to believe her rooster and bull story.)

      In one part of her story she says:

      ‘I’m not afraid of anybody in all of this world. I’m a child of God. And I believe God won’t let anybody put a hand on me until my work is finished.’

      If she was so unafraid and convinced she was doing right, why did she hide her name all the time?

      But we don’t have the luxury of this information, a fact which should set alarm bells ringing for anyone seeking truth. We have no way of verifying the truth of this story she related, yet people are expected to believe it? Granted, she was accompanied for the 14 years of her travels by a companion but what does that prove? It only proves that she travelled for 14 years, certainly not that her story about her life before was true.

      If her story were true, it should have been possible to come up with some kind of evidence for her story. But, as with so many other anti-Catholic tales, there is none.

      Now let us have a look at the errors and inconsistencies in her story.

      1. Number of nuns wrong; lifestyle wrong

      Carmelite convents have a maximum of 20 nuns, yet Charlotte Wells claimed 180 nuns in her own wing. Needless to say, the name of this convent is not available.

      Furthermore, the Carmelites order is cloistered, meaning the nuns never leave the convent to go outside into the world. This is in contrast to an open order, where the nuns can go outside. In the story Charlotte Wells/Keckler claims to be cloistered yet aslo claims to be a nursing sister, which would mean she would have leave the cloister to get to work!

      Dear reader, there is no such thing as a cloistered order which does hospital work, as the two are mutually exclusive. If she was cloistered, she could not go outside to work in the hospital!

      2. Wrong terminology suggests she may never have even been Catholic

      Though it is quite possible Wells/Keckler was once Catholic (I have seen a photo), the taped recording of her story uses such contorted phrases as ‘going to confessional‘ and ‘the fourteen steps that Jesus carried the cross of Calvary’? Why did she not just use the proper terms ‘going to Confession’ and ‘the Stations of the Cross’? The defense that the terms used by Charlotte made more sense to Protestant ears is invalid: she could quite easily have defined the Catholic terms before using them in the taped testimony. In any case, as many Catholic would have heard her story as well. She also avoids the terms �novice� and �professed� which is quite bizarre for the story of a supposed nun, wouldn’t you think?

      So was she really Catholic? It makes little difference if she were or not. Her story remains without a shred of foundation. If she were in fact Catholic, her judgment is made all the more severe on account of her dishonesty.

      3. Outright falsehoods in the book

      Here is one example:

      “you know a Roman Catholic can lie to you. And they don’t have to go to confession and tell the priest about the lie that they’ve told, because they’re lying to protect their faith. They can tell any lie they want to to protect their faith and never go to the confessional box and tell the priest about it.”

      Elsewhere she relates that it is ok for a Catholic steal $40 dollars. This is also blatantly untrue. In addition, she claims that she had to make her later vows using her own blood. What nonsense. Much of the material in the book, in fact, can only be described as sadomasochistic invention.

      4. Relation of scenarios which expose a Protestant misconception of Catholic doctrine.

      The story relates that the nuns are led to

      ‘believe that her family will be saved. It doesn’t make any difference how many banks they rob, how many stores they rob. It doesn’t make any difference how they drink and smoke and carouse and live out in this sinful world and do all the things that sinners do. It doesn’t make a bit of difference. Our family will be saved if we continue to live in the convent and give our lives to the convent and to the Church–we can rest assured that other members of our immediate family will be saved’

      This is a ludicrous distortion of the Catholic doctrine of grace. It claims that one is not accountable for ones’s sins before God so long as a family member is in the convent!

      The distorted idea is possibly derived from a misunderstanding of the Catholic teaching of offering up one�s sufferings for the grace of conversion of others. This of course, is a thousand miles removed from the distortion presented in the story.

      5. No evidence for this story: convent unknown, nun’s account not verifiable

      As mentioned above, the alleged “testimony” of Charlotte Wells suffers from the fact that there is no convent name where these events supposedly took place; there is no history of the individual who relates it until long after the supposed events took place (the name Charlotte Wells being a pseudonym, as mentioned earlier, for Charlotte Keckler); there was no reason for the nun in question to hide her identity, if she were speaking the truth; there are no other sources in the story, no references, no named third parties which could support this story. In total: NOTHING.

      Note: Claims that such convents, complete with dungeons, existed in Mexico, as ‘proven’ by the 1934 opening of the convents by the Mexican revolutionary government, actually prove nothing. There was in fact only one convent ‘opened’ in 1934, this being the Convent of Saint Monica, in the central Plazea, Puebla, Mexico; this convent had operated secretly till from 1857 till 1934. (Convents and monasteries had been abolished in 1857 under the anti-clerical Benito Juarez and the new Constitution of Mexico which stripped the Church of its property.). It is the necessarily secretive nature of this convent’s existence was used to substantiate the falsehoods about secret passages and dungeons in convents for such stories as Charlotte Wells’.

      Charlotte Wells’ story is in no way corroborated by this story, as this convent was the exception, not the norm. (There is another convent in the same city of Puebla, the former Convent of Saint Rose at 14 Poniente No. 305, with a museum exhibit built in 1926, of an 18th century kitchen). The stories Charlotte Wells recounts of abuse, torture, and illicit sex are nothing but fiction which can never be substantiated. In any case Charlotte Wells, conveniently for her story, does not name the convent she was in.

      Summary

      The ‘testimony’ of Charlotte Wells has all the hallmarks of an outrageous story of anti-Catholic nonsense based on the earlier work of Maria Monk. In keepng with this genre, there is not an ounce of factual evidence, no names or addresses, just sensationalism. Catholics presented with this “testimony” should recognize it for what it really is. The fact that some have identified her with one Charlotte Keckler (see below) adds not an ounce of credibility to her story, as the supposed convent, and those running it, remain unnamed.

      A couple of final notes:

      (i)The author has written to Sister Nilah Rutledge seeking corroboration of Charlotte Wells’ story. To date, there has been no reply. I have also contacted TF Tenney, who is cited as able to verify her story in the published account of her ‘testimony’. His reply was as mentioned above, to all intents and purposes asking for proof that her story is false. A simple case of trying to shift the burden of proof away from the one making the ludicrous claim. I also contacted the New Life United Pentecostal church in Napa, CA, where Keckler was a member. All the information recieved there was the same as from TF Tenney (email on file). So aside from ‘verifying’ Charlotte Keckler’s story, these supposed verifiers have nothing to back up her ludicrous story.

      (ii)For Charlotte Wells to claim that she had to change her name because was hiding from the Catholics is belied by the fact that she appeared publicly for 14 years with her so-called ‘conversion’. If the ‘evil Catholics’ wanted to silence her they just had to show up at one of her venues.

      Finally, as I mentioned at the start of the paper, we have seen how the supposed witnesses of Charlotte Keckler’s story end up providing nothing more than pathetic efforts to shift the burden of proof. TF Tenney, for example, tried to make out that no one had ever proven her story false (email on file). In other words, a tacit admission that the story is completely without foundation. Why would any thinking person believe for a moment such an outlandish story is true, when its supposed defenders can only hide behind the logical fallacy of shifting the burden of proof?

      Update : a response to Cohen Reckert

      This update has been added to respond to a libellous charge by one anti-Catholic by the name of Cohen Reckert who is the author of an anti-Trinitarian website. Cohen Reckert makes a truly feeble attempt at defending the slanders of Charlotte Keckler, and in doing so he unwittingly exposes her as the liar she was. We shall see that he claims his own father knew Charlotte Keckler, yet this same Cohen Reckert can’t even come up with the convent she lived in. Even worse, Cohen Reckert presented the story as that of Charlotte Wells, even though (by his own admission) his own father knew her real name.

      He starts off with the bizarre headline ‘The Papacy Seeks To Discredit Charlotte’s Testimony’. Perhaps if Mr Reckert had spent some time on my site he would have seen I have no connection whatsoever with the papacy, I am in fact a Catholic layman. He then throws in a smokescreen by claiming, as discussed above, that the real name of Charlotte Wells was in fact Charlotte Keckler. The central issue of course is, is the story she presented true. All of which goes to show there is in fact nothing to back up this ludicrous story, when the one solitary defender in the last three years has to resort to smokescreens, slander and ad hominems to respond!

      Though Reckert tries to disparage my research, in actual fact I have records of correspondence with several persons named in connection with Charlotte Wells’ story (Mike Blume, Nilah Rutledge, TF Tenney, Napa New Life United Pentecostal Church) all correspondence on file. I have also tried to contact representatives of the United Pentecostal Church International, of which Charlotte Keckler was apparently a member, and have also directly asked another website, which listed two members of the above mentioned sect as sources of information on the subject.

      So much for “not doing research”. Maybe Cohen Reckert would be better off seeking the truth of the matter rather than libelling others on his site.

      Screenshots of these emails which amply demonstrate the failure of so-called ‘verifiers’ to provide support for Keckler’s story are available here .

      Anyway, let’s move on to the next point. Reckert isn’t finished with his verbal abuse; he next claims I used a ‘false name’ when contacting him because I use the anglicised form of my name. This charge coming from the guy who accused me of doing no research! How difficult can it be for him to find out what Sean tranlates to in English? Too difficult it seems.

      As we see, the name ‘John’ is nothing more than the anglicised form of the Irish name Sean, which I often use online (if Mr Reckert had bothered to do some research, he would know I am Irish). In fact, many of my acquaintances call me John (though I prefer my Irish name now). So what’s with the ‘false name’ accusation? Perhaps if the author in question had done a modicum of research beforehand, he would have known Sean is the Irish name for John and would not fall into his sin of rash judgment. It appears this issue about my online name (which is no secret) is yet another smokescreen from the main issue, the story of Charlotte Wells.

      Cohen Reckert’s laughable hypocrisy in this matter is exposed when we see that he in fact knew Charlotte Wells’ real name was Keckler yet he presented the story under her false name. Then he turns around and tries to bad mouth me for continuing to use my own real name in an email! This is a case of projection, a term in psychology when one tries to impute one’s fault onto another. Reckert’s was one of those sites which presented the Charlotte Keckert story as that of Charlotte Wells. Anyway, let’s move on.

      Reckert, with no names or addresses to back up the Charlotte Keckler lie which his father unhappily bought into, continues with his ad hominems to disparage my website because it is a ‘free web-site on anglefire.’

      Wrong again, Cohen Reckert. This is a good example of the thorough sloppiness and hasty manner in which Reckert’s ad hominem rant hit the internet (not to mention citing Charlotte Keckler’s date of birth as 1989!!) For one thing, it isn’t free, as I pay to keep adverts off, and for another, the webpage provider is Angelfire, not ‘anglefire.’ In actual fact, the credibility onus lies on the one making the claim, in this case, the individual called Charlotte Wells/Keckler and those who support her unfounded story. And as we see, there hasn’t been the slightest shred of evidence to back up her wild story. Again, we see an effort to deflect from the main issue, the credibility (or lack thereof) of the story of Charlotte Wells/Keckler.

      The author isn’t finished with his insults. He proceeds to call me a ‘dirt merchant’ and ends his web page with his accusation of my using a false name. (In the meantime he gets to mentioning some imaginary Jesuits chasing Charlotte Keckler around the country, and then claims that since these imaginary Jesuits never challenged Keckler, her story must be true! Yes, dear reader, this is the best defense of Charlotte Keckler this man can come up with, the silence of some imaginary Jesuits.)

      Here’s one quote from Cohen Reckert, referring to yours truly ;+). Read on:

      ‘He complains Charlotte didn’t give the name of the convent she was a prisoner in and so he had no way to check her story out. So, he determined since he had not way to check it out it did not exist and was false. He then tried to claim that Charlotte stole the testimony of another former nun. He claimed Charlotte never was a Catholic and he picked on her use of words to try and prove his point.’

      Er, no, I don’t ‘complain’ about anything. I merely point out the laughable lack of evidence in this story. His interpretation of my reasoning is laughably false as he appeals to silence. Cohen Reckert proceeds then to attempt to cast doubt on my comments, but again, this is simply a denial on his part of the hopeless lack of evidence of the case. Again, he is guilty of dishonest representation when he says I claim Keckler “stole the testimony from another nun.” Needless to say I said nothing of the sort.

      Reckert, why don’t you simply provide the name of her convent with proof of the ludicrous story? Merely misrepresenting some of my comments does not a defense make.

      Let’s move on. Mr Reckert claims his father knew Charlotte Keckler; what a fine opportunity then to come up with some evidence for her crazy story. Unfortunately there is none. (Mr Reckert provides a nice old photo of a nun though. Does he thinks it’s a photo of Keckler in her younger days? Who cares. Even if this were provable, as I mentioned earlier, if she were in fact a nun, her dishonest portrayal of Catholic belief renders her a liar in any case.)

      Towrds the end of the Cohen Reckert response, it seems he admits his defense is a lost cause, because he gives up on Charlotte and come us with this this defense of Charlotte:

      ‘But we know this: The Catholic Church has been a deceptive and murdering institution ever since the Council of Nicaea in 325AD.’

      There’s nothing like objectively analyzing the facts is there? Good heavens, what rubbish. Is this the best available defense of the Charlotte Keckler lie?

      Instead, therefore, of providing a “defense” of the Charlotte Wells tale of fantasy, all that web page does, besides resort to ad hominems and slander, is a)to admit Charlotte Wells was lying about her identity, and b) unwittingly prove that the people closest to her can’t even substantiate her wild story. Of course we knew from the outset that she existed, and in fact I had seen photos online of her in later life. The more important question is why she was hiding her identity, not who she really was. But most importantly of all, we still have not an ounce of evidence that her story is true. And remember that the burden of proof lies with the side making the assertion. But what we do know now, by that author’s own admission, is that Charlotte Wells lied about her real identity for 14 years.

      One last comment or two. Cohen Reckert claims I never knew her real name was Keckler. In actual fact, when this article originally appeared, there were two exactly identical stories floating on the internet, one authored by ‘Charlotte Keckler’ the other by ‘Charlotte Wells’. The ‘Charlotte Wells’ sites have largely been removed since this page has been published.

      To Cohen Reckert, that you have to resort to such gutter-level ad hominem remarks to defend the story of Charlotte Keckler tells the impartial reader all they need to know.

      In closing I shall leave it to the unbiased reader to discern where the truth lies: with a sensationalist story with not an ounce of evidence in support, or with the realization that the Charlotte Keckler story is nothing more than another piece of anti-Catholic slander.

      Cohen Reckert has not yet responded to me. Latest I hear is he’s “taking a rest”. Let’s hope he takes the opportunity to reflect on the seriousness of spreading false witness. Who knows, maybe someday he will discover the truth

      • MikeSavage

        G.K. Fotou;
        Why do you make posts that are many times longer than the original article? Please try to post a paragraph or two at most. Too much to read.

        • AllRoadsLead2NWO

          gee, i guess she didn’t read the BIN 3 sentence or less limit, lol. The paragraph police will get her- don’t you worry, we have her APB on our GPS.

    • Wretched Infidel

      Did everyone get a chance to see the Pope carrrying his bent cross sceptre or whatever they call it? Bent Cross looks entirely like the letter T even more to me than the regular crosses

      And that church he was in yesterday, ? that was like a double-cross the way it was so stylised. The top formed a T above the poor man’s dying figure down below which made another cross.

      Double-cross, Cross, Malta Cross, Bent Cross, Upside Down Crosses, = all Satan’s (Teitan) Symbol of gloval dominion over mankind.
      Teitain, Tammuz Father and son = One

      • MikeSavage

        Wretched;
        The “t” is the symbol for the fake made up pagan god Tammuz. Straight from Babylon the Great. Since the Catholic Church is pagan, it’s Christendom, not Christianity, they incorporate almost all pagan beliefs and icons, statues, images, odols, etc. The cross that people think Jesus died on is actually a pagan symbol for Tammuz also. Jesus died on a single piece of timber. The Koine word used is “stauros” and translates into English only as stake or pole, not cross. Constantine injected the cross into Christendom when he created the Catholic Church in the early fourth century. All of Christendom now uses the pagan tau, or T for Tammuz. A very pagan idol.

        • Wretched Infidel

          Mike, you are totally correct. I hope people read that.

          It is ancient symbol for the anti-Messiah, who is REALLY his father, Satan, incarnate, per the doctrine.

          Cross = Solar Deity symbolising Tammuz, Tammus, Thames, Teitan, the Mystic Tau who gets the honour … for the murder of an innocent lamb, the real Messiah, Yahushua upon Satan’s symbol.

          Why do people worship this God? This cross is even especially venerated, everywhere even in Protestant churches and books, it is EVERYWHERE, ubiquitous… people need to wonder and do the research. When a person finds out that it was in ubiquitous use in Egypt, (Egyptian Mysteries, like Babylonian Mysteries), like in Babylon, like in the Minoan civilization, the Mayan, Aztec, and Sumerian religions, why are they still comfortable using it?

          People need to get it straight. It is the symbol, ‘par excellance’, of the Bacchus/Dionysus/Tammuz saviour-figure, known all the world over, since history of apostacy.

          It is, in short, the sign of our enemy, our enemy Satan’s domination of humanity: Why, people?

          Why do you still venerate the cross, the symbolic coup of Satan, your enemy, Yah’s adversary, Yahushua’s murderer, accuser, your accuser,

          even with all of this knowledge? The Pope here comes to our land, lands of Israel’s lost 10 tribes, Western European and USA NOrth American continnent, and waves his bent cross and solar monstrance cross, churches displaying all forms of stylised crosses in your face, in front of your eyes and face he waves this magical symbol, mark, marking you all as ‘his’. The Pope’s chattel. Satan’s fools, dupes. Why do you let this crime be done to you all? Christians?

          you need truth. That is not in any church. Do yu know your enemies lead you in Church?

          You need to stomp on this symbol of domination of you andyour fellow man. It is evil. Spit and stomp on the cross.

          You will be sorry that you did not learn the facts… and you will be sorry you did not do this.

          Brake down all their altars, their images, their matstebah, their high places, groves, asherah, their stars, (a cross is a 4-point star btw) of their God, Remphan, Moloch, Chiun…
          Amos

          see the hexagram? See the pentacle? Pentagram? See the triangle? See the sun and moon? eye? bird/eagle/dove? Fish? Fish hats? Crosses? These are old, old images of jealousy. That means they make IAUE very VERY ANGRY at your stubborn rejection of the truth.

          Stomp ON THE CROSS PEOPLE. LEAVE IT OFF, TAKE IT OFF, CRUSH THAT DEITY WHO HATES YOU ALL. YOU ARE HIS DUPES IF YOU DON’T REJECT HIM AND IT, THE SIGN OF HIS DOMINATION OF YOU AND YOUR SOUL/SPIRIT.

          Thank you Mike Savage for your truths, they are facts, and people need to learn these facts.

    • Three69ingSquirrels

      The Muslim says: Jews are wrong

      The Christian says: Muslims are wrong

      The Jew says: Christians are wrong

      The atheist says: You are all right

      • Big dog.../small fish...

        Roaring laughs!

      • MikeSavage

        Squirrely;
        Bear in mind that the scriptures say ALL of them are wrong. Muslim, Jew, Christendom, atheism, and all other beliefs other than what Jesus taught. There is but one “true faith” and it’s no religion of man, has no church, has no clergy, has no doctrine or teachings other than God’s word. All will be destroyed if they don’t do God’s will. ALL OF IT. ALWAYS. They are part of the world that is to be destroyed. If they want to live, they need to separate themselves from the world completely and do God’s will.

        • Bill Lyle

          Everyone’s wrong, but you, right? :roll: :roll: :roll: SMH

          • MikeSavage

            Bill Lyle;
            Everyone’s wrong except God’s named people. Those who worship God righteously, as Jesus taught us to do. Anyone part of any religion of man is not righteous and does not have God’s approval. You seem to be a bit less than humble. Seems as though you don’t know what being a Christian involves.

            • Big dog.../small fish...

              Another totally brainwashed i*iot.

            • MikeSavage

              Doggoneit;
              You really shouldn’t speak of yourself that way. God doesn’t brainwash anyone, religions do that.

            • Big dog.../small fish...

              It applied to you Savage. I’m far far from being brainwashed.

            • MikeSavage

              Doggonneit;
              You are brainwashed, and an idiot to boot. You are totally without any accurate knowledge of the scriptures.

            • Bill Lyle

              Mike, your comment to Big dog, leaves you with your arse showing. You complain about religion brainwashing people, yet you attend the Kingdom Hall? Are we to believe that JW isn’t a religion?

        • Mayhem

          Is that right, Savage, then perhaps you might answer this question for me – Is Jesus also God, The Word made flesh, according to your Church and Clergy? Now before you go off on your usual rant about the JW Kingdom “Hall” not being a Church let me just remind you that it looks like dog doo-doo and smells like it too so i’m going to hazard the guess that there’s no need to taste it.

          • MikeSavage

            Mayhem;
            What church and what clergy? They only exist in Christendom. Sects of Christendom, denominations, etc. We have no church, no clergy. And what do you mean by “according to your church”? Don’t you mean according to the scriptures? That is what I/we believe, and ONLY what I/we believe. According to the scriptures, God, Jehovah, is the one true God, Jesus is His only begotten SON. Jesus was referred to as the word, and yes, he was born as a human. And as far as your “rant” comment, you can eat all the dog doo doo you want, smell all you want, and look at all you want. That being said, a Kingdom hall is just that, a hall where study takes place, and worship, and the occasional wedding, and a lot of public talks, but it isn’t a “church”. The only religion that takes place there is what Jesus taught to his disciples and apostles. We do what he commanded us to do, we make disciples of Jesus, and we teach people the scriptures. Those things don’t happen in churches of Christendom. We teach people to behave the way God admonishes us to behave, and the way Jesus taught us to behave. Unfortunately, you don’t behave the way God and His son taught us. You don’t do what God and what His son commanded us to do. You don’t worship God or do His will either. You have NO room to talk about anyone else.
            Matthew 7:7 “Stop judging that you may not be judged; 2 for with the judgment you are judging, you will be judged, and with the measure that you are measuring out, they will measure out to you. 3 Why, then, do you look at the straw in your brother’s eye but do not notice the rafter in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Allow me to remove the straw from your eye,’ when look! a rafter is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the rafter from your own eye, and then you will see clearly how to remove the straw from your brother’s eye.

            • Gus Fung

              You belong to the JW church Savage. I bet you are wearing your polyester recruiting slacks full of company fliers right now.

              Only a fool with fish for brains would think your congregation isn’t part of a sect of Christendom.

              You might as well be catholic

            • Mayhem

              The Church of the Challies, Savage, your JW-Church and is this your founder Charles Taze Russell’s head stone?

              http://www.nyhetsspeilet.no/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/grave.jpg

              Complete with Knights Templar symbol and situated at the Greater Pittsburgh Masonic Center.

              Charles Taze Russell, known liar; who claimed in court, in 1913, that he was an ordained pastor, and that he could read Greek and Latin but, when pressed on the stand, could not even manage the Greek alphabet.

              “Ordained Pastor” excuse me but you said your church has no clergy making you, Savage/Emery, a liar as well.

            • MikeSavage

              Gus Fung;
              There exists no “JW Church”. Sorry but your information is faulty. I don’t wear polyester, ever for any reason. And what “company fliers” are you referring to? What “company” are you referring to? The witnesses of God are part of no church or sect of Christendom. All of God’s witnesses adhere ONLY to what the scriptures teach, and nothing more, and nothing less. You see, Jesus taught his apostles and disciples Christianity, not Christendom. Christendom is pagan, but lyingly claims to be Christian. Only a fool with fish for brains would make the post that you made. You might as well be Catholic.

            • MikeSavage

              Mayhem;
              Posting lies doesn’t make you correct. You couldn’t be more wrong, and lying is no way to make your point, which is faulty to begin with. There is no JW Church. Doesn’t exist, and never has. Russel founded no church either. God’s witnesses are the same congregation that Jesus began the night prior to his death. Still exists to this day. Still making disciples of Jesus. Still worshiping God righteously and doing His will. It’s clear that you aren’t.

            • Gus Fung

              Good morning Emery you mackerel headed dildo.

              The fruits of your church smell as awful as the fruit from every other organized religion.

              https://questionsforjehovahswitnesses.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/shocking-truth-about-jws1.pdf

              Emery quote: “And what “company fliers” are you referring to?”

              ^ That is an example of how you lie with a wink. Every man and woman reading this knows all about your little fliers filled with mans words. They litter the streets in most towns because your minions are only too willing to stuff them in your face before the door closes.

              https://www.google.ca/search?q=watchtower+flyer&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=979&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMIxPnVmbecyAIVRyqICh3jGQHt

              Can you present WORD only that confirms your strange cult belief that the Savior and Angel Michael are the same individual? Do angels really wear crowns and rule over men? Says who?

            • MikeSavage

              Gus;
              Your behaving as a reprobate doesn’t do you any good, and doesn’t help your wrong beliefs. There is no JW Church. But you’re too thick headed, I guess, to realize that. You must take other’s word for it rather than have an independent thought of your own. You know nothing first hand about God’s people. Believe what you will. It’s your destruction, not mine. Again you claim that Jesus started a cult. I think not. God didn’t either. His word isn’t man’s word either. You’re so confused, you don’t even know what you’re saying, because you can’t think for yourself. You can’t go and investigate anything for yourself, because it would take effort, something you won’t expend to find the truth of anything. You’re just another lazy apostate moron.

            • Gus Fung

              Thank you for being a fixture at BIN… your actions often ensuring that no sane minded individual will ever follow the teachings of your “hall” or any other after reading your posts. It warms my heart.

              A quote from some drooling JW: “God’s witnesses are the same congregation that Jesus began the night prior to his death.”

              Says who Mike? That is not in the WORD and sounds like you might be presuming a little too much for yourself and your thick snouted brethren. That is a pattern you are doomed to repeat until you become useful and turn into worm food.

              Strange assertion by a JW: “Again you claim that Jesus started a cult”

              Never have i claimed such a thing. Perhaps you are confusing your self with others again. You seem to want to follow angels instead of God. I haven’t read all the original scrolls like you claim but where did you get the idea that following an angel would be a good idea?

              Are you not equipped at all to tell everyone why you think Jesus is an angel?

              ( Gus imagines Savage putting his thick glasses on and angrily unfurling all his ancient scrolls… then Savage throwing the scrolls in the fire because he can’t read them at all… then Savage returns to his computer and posts lies about reading all the scrolls for himself )

              I know you won’t answer the above question about Jesus… so how about this one:

              Do you think it’s ok to lie to everyone… and often… if the end goal in your mind is admirable? Can you answer that truthfully?

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              (This conversation bookmarked for future amusementacity.)

    • Anonymous

      This poor humbled human being and all those that she spent her early years with are brave to have survived such evil. Religion has never interested me since I saw the lies written about Jesus in the bible as a very small child. Now this woman’s testimony is horrific and I must be grateful for realizing what was revealed to me at an early age, thanks to my brother Jesus. With the comments in this section. I must also realize that religions are of no value to beings who can think for themselves. One day, this conduct will be judged by the Most High so I will leave it up to Him but it still boggles the brain to hear of such cruelty that one human being can do to another under the guise of God’s work in religion.

    • freedom007

      @Mrs. Fotou, your analysis is GRRREAt and some details of the story do sound suspect,

      but nonetheless I do believe that this woman HAS been blatantly abused and that she IS an ex Catholic.

      I as another ex Catholic do know how far away from the teachings, to the extent of being the total opposite, the behavior of priests and devoted believers can be, and how many blatant distortions of the meaning of the Gospel exist in this Church, both within the official dogma (which is said to be “infallible” ha ha!) and sub-cultures of this Church, Neocatechumenate and Opus dei for example.

      In German there is a sentence “Du bist von allen guten Geistern verlassen” (“all good spirits have left you”)
      - we say this to persons who violate their own principles, or those of Common Sense, very blatantly.
      My impression of this Church in retrospective can be condensed into this very saying. Holy Spirit is no longer in control of this Church as a whole (if it ever was – I rather believe that He always only controlled some believers, most of them poor and despised and neither endowed with power within Church nor “obedient and orthodox”).

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