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“All Israel will be Saved”: What it really means

Jan 14, 2016 by Dr. Joel McDurmon 80 Comments

In response to my views on Jerusalem and the Mother of Harlots in Revelation 17, some readers expressed their predictable denial. God would never write off ethnic and physical Jerusalem in that way, they say, because He made an eternal covenant with Abraham and his seed. One reader objected thusly:

You are forgetting about God’s promise to Abraham, which is eternal in nature. God made a covenant “between me and thee forever.” Either God meant forever, or He did not. Yes, the Jews have been disobedient literally for centuries in denying Christ, but they will be restored in a total and comprehensive manner at the Second Coming. This is why Paul was very clear on the subject in Romans 11, to make sure that our liberty in Christ does not give reason to be boastful:

He then quotes Romans 11:31–34. Verses 31–32 are the relevant part here; they read: “Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.”

The commenter wishes to emphasize the “them” for us. He adds, “Note verse 32. It refers that God, ‘hath concluded them [Jews] all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.’” Thus, he sees the “them” as referring exclusively to the Jews—he even edits it in just so we don’t miss the point.

Unfortunately, the “them [Jews]” interpretation is questionable at best. It is based upon a misunderstanding of an unhelpful translation (which, in this case, is the KJV). The word “them” does not directly appear in the Greek texts. The Greek word for “all” here does not carry any personal pronoun, but rather a definite article. Were we to translate it in a wooden literal fashion, it would say “the all.” But this common feature of Greek is simply smoothed into proper English as “all.” Why the KJV added “them” to the text is not clear. It is a totally unnecessary addition to God’s word.

For this reason, nearly all modern translations leave it out. The ESV translates verse 32: “For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.” The NAS reads, “For God has shut up all in disobedience that He might show mercy to all.” Even the ancient Latin Vulgate got it right, rendering the Greek “tous pantas” as simply “omnia,” or “all.”

So the emphasis upon “all Jews” as special objects of God’s mercy evaporates with a clear understanding of the text itself.

What then does the text mean? The emphasis of this verse is properly on God’s mode of salvation being mercy, and thus that whether one is a Jew or a Gentile, they all may be saved. God does not play favorites, and God does not go back on his promises. All men are in prison to sin, and all men can only be saved by God’s mercy. Despite the Jews remaining in unbelief for the time (the time that Paul was writing) and God opening and turning His mercy to the Gentiles, nevertheless He had not thereby cast away the Jewish people altogether. They may also return to God through His mercy. This simply reiterates the main argument Paul had started already in chapter 9 (really chapter 2, but that much of the argument would require considerably more space to cover than I wish to take here).

Consider the comment with which Paul begins chapter 11: “I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin.” He had just finished mentioning how Israel continually rejected God, while God revealed himself and was found by those who did not seek him (Gentiles; see 10:20–21). In light of this, Paul sees it as necessary to head off the possible retort that God has completely rejected Israel while turning to open His mercy to the rest of the world. Paul uses himself as proof that this is going too far: he himself is an ethnic Jew, a physical child of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin, and yet he is not only a believer and saved but an apostle, a teacher of believers. So he is living proof that God still shows mercy to ethnic Israelites.

But the question that arises from modern Zionists, dispensationalists, and others who wish to see some form of restored physical Israel and temple, is whether God intends to save the whole physical nation of Israelites in the future. Does Paul’s argument that “all Israel will be saved” pertain to physical, ethnic Israel?

I think the context makes that impossible.

[This essay and many more like it are available in the author’s book Jesus v. Jerusalem: Jesus’ Lawsuit Against Israel.]

The Remnant Principle

Since individual personal experience is not enough to prove a doctrinal point, Paul turns to the only infallible rule, Holy Scripture. As Scriptural support for his ability to be saved yet as a Jew, Paul does not provide support for the view that all (or even most) physical Jews will be saved. Rather, he references the account of Elijah and the tiny remnant of faithful people God preserved. He teaches, in reference to God’s people, the remnant principle:

God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel? “Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.” But what is God’s reply to him? “I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal” (Rom. 11:2–4). (See 1 Kings 19:1018.)

In verse 5, Paul directly compares his situation with the remnant principle found in Elijah: “So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.” Due to the comparison, the Greek is more pointed than the ESV says. It more emphatically says, “In the same way, and in the present time. . . .” In other words, Paul is drawing a direct parallel between the tiny remnant of Israelites saved in those former times and the conversion he expects now. “Just like then, but now” was the essence of his point.

The main principle at work here is God’s election, not Israelite ethnicity or bloodline. Paul does not want us to miss this, so he clearly emphasizes this aspect in the very next verses: “But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace. What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened” (Rom. 11:6–7).

This phrase, “The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened,” provides a key to what Paul is trying to teach throughout the book of Romans. From these two principles—election and remnant—we must deduce two things about physical Israelites. First, salvation is based purely on God’s gracious election. This is indisputable. Therefore, only that remnant of elect Jews are saved. Secondly, since “the rest” of the non-remnant “hardened” Jews are contrasted with the elect, therefore some (most) Jews are not saved.

Notice, in light of this, that Paul does not simply say “God has not rejected his people,” but rather, He has not rejected His people whom he foreknew.” Among the mass of Israelites past, present, and future, God foreknew some unto salvation. These foreknown (and therefore elected and predestined ones (Rom. 8:29)) God has not rejected. But the rest, including every non-elect, unbelieving Jew, he has hardened and rejected. God only saves those whom he specially foreknew, whether Jew or Gentile.

Paul references the remnant principle as an answer to the question whether God has rejected Israelites. The issue is election. Following the logic of this argument forces us backward into the previous chapters. The issue of the salvation of Israel heads up chapter 10: “Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved.” That chapter ends with Israel rejecting and being rejected by God. Then follows chapter 11:1–7 with which we have just dealt, and which returns us to the doctrine of election. In order to hear the beginning of this doctrine in relation the salvation of Israel, we must jump back yet another chapter and begin at 9:3. The issue of election brings the context of chapter 11 within the larger context of chapters 9 and 10 (especially 9), of which one could argue that most of chapter 11 is merely a subhead or even a codicil.

Election and the Remnant

In Romans 9:3, Paul effuses, “For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh.” He is clearly including ethnic “flesh” Israel, and he desires their salvation. He then spells out God’s gifts to this Israel: “They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen” (9:4–5). It is clear that salvation is “of the Jews” as Jesus put it (John 4:22). Therefore, it is clear that Paul thinks the promises of God yet apply to Israel.

Why then was not all of Israel saved and believing now that Christ had come? This was the obvious question to which Paul immediately responded, for his next words assume the issue: “But it is not as though the word of God has failed” (9:6). Now why would anyone think that the word of God had failed? Only if they thought all ethnic Israelites were indeed saved due to God’s election of “Israel.” If so, the obvious fact (then and now) that so many Israelites reject Christ and disbelieve would mean that God’s promise to save them had failed. Indeed, according to an ethnic Israel view, if only a single ethnic Israelite failed to believe on Christ, then God’s word would have failed. But Paul says it has not failed. Why not? Because the issue is election, not ethnicity.

Paul therefore immediately adds the most important qualifier, “For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel” (9:6, ESV). The Greek is curt and the syntax is a bit difficult here. The KJV gets closer: “For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel.” I think, however, that the original is more literally rendered: “For not all these from Israel are Israel.” The point, in any case, is to show that not all Israelites (physical, ethnic) are actually elect Israel (true Israel, or some even say “spiritual” Israel).

Paul expands this argument for the primacy of election. Not all Israel is true Israel, and “and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring” (9:7). He finds proof simply from two Old Testament instances of election: Isaac and Ishmael, and Jacob and Esau. He explains,

“Through Isaac [not Ishmael] shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. For this is what the promise said: “About this time next year I will return, and Sarah shall have a son.” And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated” (Rom. 9:7–13).

Thus we must conclude, as we did from Paul’s argument in chapter 11:1–7, that it is not physical ethnicity that determines the scope of the fulfillment of God’s promise, but God’s own election. Election is the primary issue. And on this issue, Paul spends the next several verses.

A review of the next few verses reveals that Paul here develops and proves the same themes that he carries through the end of chapter 11 (and really the end of the book). The doctrine of election as Paul has so far described it raises a question. Paul uses this obvious question to assert the themes:

What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills (Rom. 9:13–18).

He gives us three primary themes: God’s choice, mercy, and hardening. And after a brief bit of teaching about God’s right and power to make those ultimate determinations (9:19–23), Paul argues that God has opened election and glory to Gentiles as well as a remnant of Jews (9:23–26), yet also that a large portion of the children of Israel will not be saved. For this he quotes fromIsaiah 10:22: “Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved,” (Rom. 9:27). Of all the millions of ethnic children of Abraham, God would only save a remnant.

This is God’s choice, for “Destruction is decreed, overflowing with righteousness. For the Lord God of hosts will make a full end, as decreed, in the midst of all the earth” (Is. 10:22–23), and “the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth fully and without delay” (Rom. 9:28Is. 28:22). For these “sons of Israel” excluded from the remnant, destruction is decreed. More on this later.

Thus when Paul arrives again at the remnant principle in chapter 11, he exhibits these same themes. Just as in Elijah’s time (and we may assume as in Isaiah’s time as well), “So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.” “Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened” (Rom. 11:6–7).” In other words, God “has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills” (Rom. 9:18). He chose the remnant for mercy, and the rest of the Israelites for hardening.

So as not all of “Israel” is true Israel, we must understand that God never intended to save all ethnic Jews, and according to the principle of the remnant, He never really intended to save them in mass, but only a few. Paul expected this same principle to continue in his day.

Yet according to the principle of the remnant, Paul knew for a fact that God had not completely shut the door to Israelites. Thus, while he did not expect a huge massive conversion, he did expect to save some. He says this explicitly: “Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them” (Rom. 11:13–14).

All Israel

How in the world, then, can Paul go on later to say that “All Israel will be saved” (11:26)? All Israel? It is clear from the unity of the argument in chapters 9 through 11 that “Israel” in 11:26 cannot mean all ethnic physical Israel, but must refer to elect Israel. Since Paul has labored for almost three whole chapters to establish, define, and prove the doctrine of election with special regard to Israel, to show that a vast majority of Israelites never received election but were hardened, to argue for a saved remnant for his day just like in Elijah’s, to say that Israel has not obtained it but only the election has, we must therefore conclude that not all of ethnic Israel will be saved.

But while we know for a fact that not all of ethnic Israel will be saved, we also know for a fact that the elect remnant of true Israel has indeed obtained God’s mercy, and therefore all of elect Israel shall be saved. Therefore, we can only understand this verse rightly to be using the term Israel just as Paul did in his paradoxical-sounding passage in Romans 9:6—elect Israel, the Israel of the promise. “Not all these from [ethnic] Israel are [elect] Israel,” and therefore not all ethnic Israel will be saved; but, “All [elect] Israel will be saved.”

So, all Israel shall be saved, but not all Israel. Get it?

But many interpreters and commentators see a hindrance to this exegesis in the preceding verse. It says, “Lest you be wise in your own sight, I want you to understand this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in” (Rom. 11:25). Here, Paul has just used the word “Israel” in contradistinction to the word “Gentiles.” Thus, many will reason, he must have had ethnic Israel in mind, for that’s the only way in which Israel stands in contrast to “Gentiles.” It is then assumed that this distinction carries through into verse 26, where “all Israel will be saved”; and this must therefore mean that all ethnic Israel will be saved.

Nevertheless, some have explicitly dismissed the connection between Romans 11:26 and 9:6. Even some Reformed interpreters argue that this cannot be the soundest interpretation. John Murray, in his classic commentary on Romans, does just this by assuming a necessary connection between verses 25 and 26 as I described above.

I do not have time yet to address Murray’s arguments in detail. Suffice it for now to say that while they represent a strong attempt to present the old future Israel view, I nevertheless find them unconvincing and flawed. Part of this, I think, stems from an attempt on his part to get as close as possible to the Westminster Larger Catechism (Q. 191) doctrine of a future calling of the Jews and the fullness of the gentiles as part of the coming of God’s Kingdom. I think, therefore, that on this point he was more subservient to the man-made confession than to the strict text of Scripture. But this is speculation.

Murray argues the exact opposite as I have above: he says that “Israel” in 11:26 absolutely cannot refer to elect Israel as opposed to all national Israel. In short, I think this is partly a false dichotomy. Since Paul spends the whole of chapters 9–11 arguing for both the election of gentiles and a remnant of elect Israel, Romans 11:26 can easily refer to both ethnic Jews as opposed to gentiles, and yet only elect Israel as “All Israel” because only elect Israel, Paul has already established, is really Israel.

More importantly, and more simply, there is no reason that 11:26 has any necessary relation to 11:25. It seems more natural to me that 11:1–25 stands as one long, complex argument to the question asked in verse 1, “Has God rejected his people?” Paul essentially reiterates the question in verse 11 showing continuity of thought through the arguments in those verses. This question and its answer come as part of the larger context that began in 9:3, and the controlling theme overall is God’s free election and grace as the basis for all salvation. 11:26 begins the conclusion to that larger context.

I hope in the near future to address Murray’s views further as well as add further background to the remnant principle drawn from the prophecies of Isaiah 11. I plan also to add the historical context and show why the Jew-Gentile issue seems to drive the whole book of Romans.

 



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    • maxxy

      All true. Just where do you think the 10 lost tribes, got lost at? They got lost crossing over the Caucusus Mountains,on their way to W. Europe. They ended up migrating to northAmerica. Caucasian people. The only countries, ever, to design govt’s to Christian precepts.

    • Everette

      First I would like to point out that Judea is not Israel . And the King James says not all that say they are Israel are of Israel . In the Old testament Israel was Jacob . GOD gave this name to him . In Genesis chapter 48 he gave the name to Ephraim and Manasseh ( Joesph sons ) Judea only received the kingship . But the first king was from the tribe of Benjamin . The people complained of his heavy hand so GOD elected David from the tribe of Judea . Because of David’s loyalty , GOD promised him his family would always have a man on the throne . Solomon , David’s son became the next king . But he walked not with GOD as his dad did . So GOD told him that after his death the tribes would be divided . 10 tribes were given to Ephraim and 3 given to Judea . In Genesis 48 and 49 there are 13 tribes not 12 . In the old testament after the division Israel lead by Ephraim’s descendants fought with Judea’s descendants . The bible makes plain that Israel fought with Judea . 2700 years ago when Israel began also to worship idols , GOD sent in Babylon and they shipped them to other lands away from the land Israel . Then GOD makes a statement Israel is my chosen . And that HE was going to write his name on the mountains of Israel to remind HIMSELF to bring Israel home . Now do a search on the net , GODs and Ephraim’s name on the mountains of Israel . There you will see that GOD has engraved Ephraim’s name ( king of Israel ) and GODs name YHVH in Hebrew . Then HE said I will bring Judea home to the land Israel first then latter I will bring home Israel ( Ephraim and his fellow tribesmen with him home ) . In Ezekiel 37 GOD tells Ezekiel to take 2 sticks . Write on one for Judea and his companions ( 3 tribes) then on the other write for Israel ( Ephraim and his fellow tribes ) . Now join them together . The 2 shall be one . Today they are not one . America , Europe and Australia contain much of Israel ( lost 10 tribes ) . Judea has now returned home in 1948 . In Isaiah 17 GOD told Isaiah that when Damascus becomes a Ruinous heap , Ephraim would loose his fortress . No other time in history has Damascus ( one of the oldest know cities ) become a ruinous heap until today . Ephraim is about to loose his fortress and go home shortly . And his fellow tribesmen with him . Jesus told his disciples not to preach to Judea , but to go only to the lost sheep of Israel . In the old testament GOD said HE would buy Israel and pay their price for redemption . Why because they could not legally sacrifice to GOD without a priest from the Levite tribe . Babylon had removed them and the tribe of Levite was still with Judea . GOD expresses HIS love for Israel and says that HE was still going to make them great where they had been driven . Today the 2 greatest nations are as GOD said Ephraim and Manasseh ( America and Britain ) . But now they are in decline because of the Esau , Vatican , natzi and UN , muslim , Ishmael agenda which includes moral decay , weakening infrastructures and forsaking GOD our strength . Daniel speaks of the man that would deceive Israel ( America , Europe and Australia ) . Today Muslim refugees pore into America and Europe . These contain Isis groups , radical rapist , murders and thieves . And the head of America is a radical Muslim that has weakened our army , cut up some of our war ships , grounded key planes and changed out General and nuke button pushers with Muslims . So as Isaiah says when Damascus becomes a ruinous heap , Ephraim shall soon loose his fortress . So where are they going to go ? Back to Israel their home land . But many will die in the attack the NWO , UN is planning for America , Europe and Australia . First they had to disconnect us from GOD , our protection . Now you know why it is said not all that say they are Israel are of Israel . Judea can only claim descendant from Jacob who GOD called Israel . But today Judea says they are Israel . Not so ! Ephraim and the 10 tribes he ruled are called Israel . Now look in the old testament and find Judea fought with Israel and Israel fought with Judea . That is why it says a day will come when no long will Ephraim ( king of 10 tribes called Israel ) envy Judea ( king of 3 tribes ) and Judea will no longer vex Ephraim . So I now ask who is Israel ? It’s not Judea ! A new can of worms to pour out and look at !

    • Damien

      All the little Shatananists crying to BIN

      Our Zionism has banned us all outside of Judah

      AND THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CHRISTIAN OUTSIDE OF JUDAH

      just dirty little whores

    • Truthseeker

      I am just curious – Frank

      what do you do with the promises of God that those in nations of Israel will number as the sand of the sea shore and as the stars in the heaven and as the dust of the earth? Billions???

      The Jews are about what, 20 to 30 million worldwide??? that is not even close to one billion.

      The Jews are Judah and Benjamin, 2 tribes, Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin.

      And if you read Jeremiah 31 you will find the new covenant is with the House of Israel and the House of Judah and in verse 33 you will find the house of Judah is not promised the Torah will be written in their natures only Israel, the Lost 10 tribes.

      The same Lost sheep of the House of Israel — Jesus Christ sent His Apostles to preach the gospel to.

      Your paper is built upon a false foundation.

      Frank, if God the Father can turn His back on the 12 tribes after the entire Bible is about the chosen people, do you suppose He would not turn His back on so called christians that worship how ever they please????

      • frank

        You need to start reading your bible. Rom_9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

        • Truthseeker

          frank

          The “remnant” is what remains of the billions after 2/3 are killed by disease, famine and war and the last third is taken into captivity for 3 1/2 years.

          Can you not read frank — the remnant is what will remain of the billions that God promised would exist..

          All Jews are Israelites but not all Israelites are Jewish. Frank who is Ephraim? Ephraim is God’s first born.

          Read Ezekiel chapters 1 – 7 and you will see how the nations of Israel are to be destroyed because they refuse to OBEY GOD! They are destroyed and taken into captivity.

          The warning God gave to Ezekiel is for the House of Israel not the House of Judah,

          When God gave Ezekiel this message he was in captivity with the house of Judah 130 years after the House of Israel was taken out from the Promised land by Babylon.

          When this warning was given the House of Israel was already in captivity for the 2nd time — this speaks of a 3rd time of captivity yet future.

          • Damien

            There are no children of Israel outside of Judah.

            • Damien

              Permit me to repeat that for any hard of not being pedos out there:

              There are no children of Israel outside of Judah.

      • Damien

        There are billions in Judah you Shatanic cretin. Just because you are unhappy being alone in Hell you demonic fiend don’t think you are ever going to wrangle yourself company!

        YOU. ARE. ALONE.

        • Truthseeker

          No I am not alone, my Father is always with me and your “passengers” will confirm that is a fact. but soon those that have infected you will tear you and that is also a fact.

          • Damien

            my Father is always with me

            ============

            I’ve consulted the Holy Ghost on this and He says you are talking crap. He says He never said anything of the sort to you!

    • frank

      Its time we stop this lie that has been perpetuated on the human race. The whole issue of the unbelievers of Jesus, which are called Antichrist directly in the bible as you will see below and call themselves Israel or the (Jews) which are being treated special by the USA and it’s NATO allies is because there are a vast number of people that call themselves Christians but are really subverted to a new religion that goes directly against what Jesus and his chosen apostles have said in the scriptures. Many call this subverted group, that is prominent in the USA, Zionist Christians or dispensationalists these Zionist Christians have worked their way into all denominations in one church building or another and in many different forms but one common belief they have brought into the church is that the Jews are still the chosen people of God because of Genes rather then through faith in God and his Son. This group favor the political parties of Republicans or GOP (Grand Old Party). This gives the party much power as long as they go along with the Zionist Christians belief that Israel (Jews) are the chosen people of God. Because neither party wants to go against this vast number of people with these Zionist beliefs, because of the potential loss of votes, the Government approves its sending Israel billions every year and dragging the US into Israels undeclared wars in order to create the borders again that were mentioned in the old testament, this state that has named itself after the old Israel has done so in order to deceive the world that IT is of God and its borders should be as in Gen 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: But that was already given to them and they lost it way back before Christ because of unbelief. Of coarse all the countries the US has been going to war with, are the countries between Egypt and the Euphrates. Is this true? Is Israel (Jews) the people that just call themselves of God really the chosen people of God ? and is their plan to expand the border of this small territory they have named Israel to a much Greater size called The Greater Israel ? Google Greater Israel project if your not familiar with this project. Lets Just pretend for a moment these people in Israel are the original last remaining tribe of the of the twelve tribes of Israel which is the tribe of Judea (Jews). How do I say this clearly?  Jesus said DIRECTLY TO the MOST JEWISH leaders in Judea in his day, Number 1.) If they don’t believe in him they’re going to hell, here Jesus is talking to the Jews and because they would not believe in Jesus He said in Mat_23:33 you serpents, you generation of vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell? Number 2.) Jesus said directly to the Jews, if you don’t believe in me you are of the Devil, In Joh_8:44 Jesus said, You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. AND Number 3.)Jesus said directly to the Jews if you don’t believe in me you don’t believe in God and therefore you can NOT CLAIM God as you Father in Heaven. Its In Luk_12:9 Jesus said But he that denies me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. Joh 5:22 For the Father judges no man, but has committed all judgment unto the Son: That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son honors not the Father which hath sent him. Jesus finish’s up with saying directly to the Jews that would not believe in him in Mat_21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. Jews were the Nation of God and the chosen people but Jews stopped being a chosen people when they chose to reject the mercy that God their father had offered them through Jesus. . All these verses were said directly to the Jews by Jesus when he was on earth.
      I did not make these verses up, this is what Jesus says ! If you say you’re a Christian you can not deny what he said. Let me tell ya folks, the state that has named itself Israel over in the middle east today that claim they are the chosen people of God because they have the Jewish biological Genes, DO NOT believe in Jesus. Believe it or not that group that says they are Israel or the (Jews) in the middle east say Jesus is boiling in excrement in hell. Type it in on the internet don’t take my word for it.  Now anyone that calls themselves a Christian has to believe in the scriptures of Jesus words and the words of the apostles that Jesus chose, because if you are pushing another doctrine other then what Jesus said you are telling false doctrine which makes you a false prophet.  But the Zionist Christians will tell you the opposite of what Jesus said and say they are still the chosen people and tell you Jews do still have the father even though Jews don’t believe or except Jesus as the messiah they themselves had been waiting for. John the Apostle of Jesus in 2Jn_1:7 said For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an Antichrist This is not hard to figure out folks who did not confess that Jesus was the Christ even back then It was the Jews. In 1Jn 4:2 Hereby you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confessed that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:”Jews do not confess the messiah (The Christ) as being Jesus. THEY ARE NOT OF GOD ! So they can not be the chosen people of God. So WHY is it, Zionist Christians Don’t believe the bible and say the Jews are the chosen people of God because of their Genes rather then faith? Even though non believing Jews of today still fit the description perfectly of the Antichrist Am I making this up? Read it for yourself In  1Jn 4:2 And every spirit that confessed not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of Antichrist, whereof you have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. It says even NOW the Antichrist already is,which means this Antichrist that was against Jesus was already in existence back during the time this scripture was wrote and this group was trying to kill Jesus. In their protecting of the Jews Zionist Christians of today will try to tell you Rome is the Antichrist but Jesus was not telling all these things to Rome it was to the top Jews of Judea and the Romans where not chasing down Jesus to kill him, it was the Jews that were chasing Jesus and his apostles down to seize him and his apostles and once they were able to seize Jesus the Jews ordered the Romans against their will to kill him. Look at the scriptures, Here the verses that show that in Luk_23:20 Pilate therefore, willing to release Jesus, spake again to them. Pilate’s trying to talk the Jews out of killing Jesus. Joh_18:38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and said unto them, I find in him no fault at all. Pilate was saying I have no reason to kill him. Joh_19:6 When the chief priests ,which are the top Jews, and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Take him, and crucify him yourself: for I find no fault in him. Does it sound like Pilate the roman wanted Jesus dead? Joh 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.
      Joh_19:8 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he was the more afraid; Joh_19:12 And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: end Quote So the Jews had to blackmail Pilate into killing Jesus. It go’s on to say in Jon 19:12 And the Jews cried out, saying, If you let this man go, you are not Caesar’s friend: whosoever makes himself a king speaks against Caesar. In Joh_19:15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. Now who hates Jesus more here and wants him dead, between the Jews and the Romans? The Jews wanted to follow Caesar a roman man not God or Jesus the son of God. To watch the remainder of this go to https://youtu.be/WFNcySMr8H8

      • Damien

        That all men should honor the Son

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        So obviously any Christarded Zionist who claims that there are any Children of Israel (Christians) outside of the Son (Judah) are SHATANIC DEMON SPAWN.

        • The Clucker

          Your comments are always so difficult to understand that I honestly can’t tell if you’re a Muslim, Catholic, Bible Believer, or just an outright Atheist. I’m serious. Do you have any idea what you believe in? Try discussing it for once and actually joining the conversation instead of hurling indiscernible nonsenses at everyone. I apologize if English isn’t your first language, but none of us can really tell what you are trying to say.

            • Cintus Supremus

              Just when you think she can’t get any stranger…

              Knew I shouldn’t have clicked that link.

          • Truthseeker

            clucker

            the one is possessed of many demons and has admitted to it.

            nothing of value can come from this one.

            • i am David

              If David was a bedding man heed say that SOME HOWS ¨Maiden¨ picked up one of his unruly passengers a whiles back.

              Some tines the wheels on the bus go roun an roun and some tines they just fall right off on the way back from the kasbah قصبة

            • David Mushbraine

              i seen a moovie with bill murray in it called rock the kasbah but i only seen haff cuz mom sed “bill murray is of the debil.” juss like bobby bouchers mom sed abowt vicki vallencourt. man that broads hot.

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