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The Signs of Revelation – Part 1: The Time of His Coming

Thursday, February 23, 2017 7:59
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The book of Revelation is not a chronological account of the second appearance of Christ.  Rather, it is thematic; tracing the steps through one vision, before beginning another vision and moving through that to its end. This happens several times to encompass the visions of Christ coronation, then the great tribulation and the battle between those who persecuted the saints and the enemies of God, through to the their defeat and the resurrection from Hades.  The next vision provided is the new heaven and earth covenant, the new Jerusalem along with Christ’s everlasting kingdom over all the earth.

The book is also filled with symbolic judgment language, and prophesies that tie to both the Old Testament and New Testament scriptures.  The parable of the wedding feast in Matt. 22 is a very short outline of Revelation’s judgment and coming of Christ upon that generation. . 

First God sends messengers to announce the wedding, then the messengers are killed.  God then destroys those who killed his messengers, and burns their city, Jerusalem.  Immediately after, the wedding and wedding feast take place.  And, at the wedding feast judgment begins.  All those that had been held in Hades are separated, as those clothed in the wedding garments (that is clothed in the righteousness of Christ) are reclining at rest, and the one who is not properly clothed in the righteousness of Christ is cast into outer darkness.  See the previous post “The Burning of Jerusalem and the Hadean Death” to the right.

When was Jerusalem burned?  A.D. 70.  That event ties the wedding and wedding feast of Matt. 22 to the first century A.D.  Therefore, as the judgment took place at the wedding feast, the resurrection and judgment scene of Rev. 20 took place immediately after the burning of Jerusalem.

The New Testament is replete with the time statements that the coming of the Lord, the coming of His kingdom, the days of vengeance were “at hand” when the book of Revelation was written.    Jesus began His ministry telling those listening to him that their generation was the time.

Mk 1:14-15, “Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,  15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.” 

We identify who was speaking to whom, and the subject matter.  Jesus was speaking to the people who lived in Galilee during the days that He was manifest on earth, in the first century A.D.  He told them then that the time was fulfilled, and the kingdom of God was at hand!   He linked the time of the fulfillment of the prophesies of the OT with the coming of the kingdom, and as the kingdom was at hand so also was the fulfillment.

Matt. 16: 27-28, “ For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.  28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”

Over and over Jesus told them that He was bringing His kingdom when He came to them.  The return of Christ was not, as some suppose, to end the physical world, but rather to establish His kingdom.  As He told them that some would still be living to see His return, then the time of His return and the time of His kingdom was in the lifetime of their generation in the first century A.D.  (See also Mk 9:1; Lk 21:31; II Tim. 4:1)

James 5:8-9, “Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.  Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.”

The judge standing before the door was Christ who would be coming in judgment against those who crucified Him and persecuted His saints.

Heb. 10:37, “For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.”

The book of Hebrews was written approx. 60 – 65 A.D., before the destruction of Jerusalem, and promised those Hebrews of the first century A.D. that Christ was coming soon a second time to them.

Jesus told Peter that John would live to see His coming in His kingdom.

John 21:22, “ Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.”

John is believed to have lived until about 96 to 100 A.D.  If he lived to see Christ’s second coming, and we are assured by Christ that John did, then the second appearance and coming of Christ was before 100 A.D.

John 21:21-22, “Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.  22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Jesus was speaking to His disciples, and telling them what to watch for at the time of the destruction of their temple in Jerusalem.  As that temple was destroyed in their lifetime, in A.D. 70, then the time of all of the things which were at hand, and the time of all of the things which were to be fulfilled was their generation, their day, their world, their century… the first century A.D.

Jesus told Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin that they would see His coming.

Mk 14:62, “ And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Coming in the clouds is judgment language, and the Hebrews knew it from all OT prophesy.  The Lord’s judgment was coming from on high.  (See the previous post “It’s Not The End of The World – Part III: The Judgment Language in the Old Testament” for more detail.)

This is why Caiaphas became so angry that he tore his clothes in vs. 63.  Caiaphas knew that Jesus had just pronounced judgment against him and the Sanhedrin. As only God could pronounce judgment, and as they did not recognize Jesus as the Messiah, they convicted Jesus of blasphemy.

John 21:27, “And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.”

John referred to Christ’s coming in the same way in the first chapter of Revelation.

Rev. 1:7, “ Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.”

Those who pierced Him lived in the first century A.D.  Those who pierced Him, the Romans at the instigation and insistence of the Jews, were of that generation when Christ was crucified.  There is no possible way this verse can be removed from the first century A.D. 

Rev. 1:1, “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:”

Rev. 1:3, “ Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.”

These time statements are all throughout Revelation, just as they were stated in the gospels, and in the letters to the churches.  He told the seven churches that He was coming quickly.

Rev. 3:11, Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.”

It is repeated five times in the closing chapter of Revelation. See Rev. 22:6, 7 , 10,  12,  20.  That He said in verse 10, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.” was a very clear indication that these prophesies were about to happen to those living in the days the book was written! 

Revelation was written before the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem.  The temple was still standing when this vision was given to John, as he was told to measure it.  (Rev. 11:1-2.)  The measuring rod (we might say a yardstick or ruler) was a building term used in surveying, and  in both original construction and demolition of a building.  (See. Ez. 40:3ff, II Kings 21:10-13)

Rev. 12 opens with symbolic pictures of events that had already taken place in that century – the birth of Christ, the escape from the slaughter of the children under Herod, the birth of His church on the day of Pentecost – all of which pin point the time of the soon and at hand nature of Christ’s second appearance and coming in judgment in that same century.   

As the book itself declares that it was relating the things which would shortly come to pass, then the events depicted in the beginning of chapter 12 are time markers for that generation, that century of Christ’s manifestation on earth.  If the rest of the visions that were promised to happen shortly are removed from that generation, then the entire book becomes a lie!

We also know the time of the writing was before the destruction of that temple, because of the reference in Rev. 2:9, and 3:9 to the “synagogue of Satan.“ 

Those Jews that had rejected Christ as the Messiah were still worshiping and offering animal sacrifice in that temple when the book was written.  They were blaspheming by continuing to offer animal sacrifices, which had become profane once Christ was crucified.  The things which must shortly come to pass as promised in verse 1 of the book directly concerned the destruction of that temple.

Revelation could not have been written after the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem, which occurred in A.D. 70, because there is no mention of that event having already happened.  If it was written after the destruction of that temple, the impact upon the life of the Jews would have been so remarkable it could not fail to be mentioned as having already happened.

We have confirmation brought forth by Robert Young in his concordance (Young’s Analytical Concordance, 1885) concerning the date of the writing of Revelation:

It was written in Patmos about A.D. 68, whither John had been banished by Domitius Nero, as stated in the title of the Syria version of the book; and with this concurs the express statement of Irenaeus in A.D. 175, who says it happened in the reign of Domitianou – i.e., Domitius (Nero).  Sulpicius, Orosius, etc., stupidly mistaking Domitianou for Domitianikos, supposed Irenaeus to refer to Domitian, A.D. 95, and most succeeding writers have fallen into the same blunder.  The internal testimony is wholly in favor of the early date. The temple at Jerusalem was still standing (ch. 11.1-10); the exact duration of the siege is foretold, viz., 42 months, 3(-)1/2 years, or 1260 days; the two witnesses are to be slain in the city where our Lord was crucified; Nero was reigning at the time, for it is said of the seven kings of Rome; ‘five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come, and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.’ The five kings are Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius. The ‘one who is ‘ is Nero; the one who ‘must continue for a short space’ is Galba, who reigned only seven months. Everywhere the events are ‘to come quickly,’ lit. ‘with haste,’ or speed (ch. 1.1; 2.16; 3.11; 11.14; 22.7, 12, 20). The escape of the Christian Jews from Jerusalem to Pella is undoubtedly referred to in ch. 7.1-8, compared with Mat. 24.30.’”

Nero’s birth name was Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus, and he chose the name Nero Claudius Caesar Drusus Germanicus after he was adopted by Claudius in 50 A.D.  Domitian was born Titus Flavius Domitianius in AD 51, and later became Caesar Domitianus Augustus.  Domitianou and Domitianikos appear to be the Greek form of their names.

There are many commentators and authors of the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries who agreed that Revelation was written before the destruction of Jerusalem and that Herodian temple.

J.A.T. Robinson (1976) from Redating the New Testament, p. 13:

“One of the oddest facts about the New Testament is that what on any showing would appear to be the single most datable and climactic event of the period — the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 — is never once mentioned as a past fact. . . . [T]he silence is nevertheless as significant as the silence for Sherlock Holmes of the dog that did not bark”.

William Hurte (1884) from Catechetical Commentary: Edinburgh Scotland:

“That John saw these visions in the reign of Nero, and that they were written by him during his banishment by that emperor, is confirmed by Theophylact, Andreas, Arethas, and others. We judge, therefore, that this book was written about A.D. 68, and this agrees with other facts of history.. There are also several statements in this book which can only be understood on the ground that the judgment upon Jerusalem was then future.”

Arthur Cushman McGiffert (1890) from Eusebius, Church History, Book III, ch.5. Eusebius notes, 148, footnote 1:

“Internal evidence has driven most modern scholars to the conclusion that the Apocalypse must have been written before the destruction of Jerusalem, the banishment therefore taking place under Nero instead of Domitian.”

James M. MacDonald (1870) from Life and Writings of John, pp 171-172:

“And when we open the book itself, and find inscribed on its very pages evidence that at the time it was written Jewish enemies were still arrogant and active, and the city in which our Lord was crucified, and the temple and the altar in it were still standing, we need no date from early antiquity, not even from the hand of the author himself, to inform us that he wrote before the great historical event and prophetic epoch, the destruction of Jerusalem.”

B.F. Westcott (1825- 1903) from The Gospel According to St. John pp. clxxiv-clxxv:

“The Apocalypse is after the close of St. Paul’s work. It shows in its mode of dealing with Old Testament figures a close connexion with the Epistle to the Hebrews (2 Peter, Jude). And on the other hand it is before the destruction of Jerusalem.”

Adam Clarke (1837) from his commentary on Revelation 1:7:

“By this the Jewish People are most evidently intended, and therefore the whole verse may be understood as predicting the destruction of the Jews; and is a presumptive proof that the Apocalypse was written before the final overthrow of the Jewish state.” (6:971.)

Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr. (1989) from Before Jerusalem Fell, p 336:

“My confident conviction is that a solid case for a Neronic date for Revelation can be set forth from the available evidences, both internal and external. In fact, I would lean toward a date after the outbreak of the Neronic persecution in late A.D.64 and before the declaration of the Jewish war in early A.D.67. A date in either A.D.65 or early A.D.66 would seem most suitable.”

Foy E. Wallace, Jr. (1966 ) from his commentary, The Book of Revelation, foreward p. vi:

“The last hurdle was to determine whether it was composed in the Neroan or the Domitian period of the Roman empire, and the conclusion has been irresistible, predicated on the solid arguments herein postulated, that the composition of the apocalypse was of a pre-destruction of Jerusalem date, under the reign of the first of the persecuting emperors of Rome–Nero Caesar.”

Greg Bahnsen (1984) from Historical Setting for the Dating of Revelation:

“When we combine the names (of the pre-20th century advocates of the early dating of the Apocalypse of John) with the yet outstanding stature of Schaff, Terry, Lightfoot, Westcott, and Hort, we can feel the severity of Beckwith’s understatement when, in 1919, he described the Neronian dating for Revelation as “a view held by many down to recent times.”

The list of biblical scholars who agreed that the book of Revelation was written before the destruction of Jerusalem is a long one indeed, but space here prevents a full listing of them.  Many of these scholars are listed in Greg Bahnsen’s Historical Setting for the Dating of Revelation.  Most every Bible commentary prior to 1850 recognized the early date for the book of Revelation.

Revelation must be understood from the contemporary historical view point of those who received that letter in the first century A.D.  As the promises were made to them, as they were told that Christ was coming quickly, the prophesies contained in Revelation cannot be moved in time to a future generation some 2,000 years later. Doing so makes Christ appear to be a liar, and that is blasphemy.  It also deceives those who might otherwise believe the word of God. 

2 Pet 1:3, ” According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:”

2 Cor. 5:18 -19, ”  And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;  19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

He gave us all we need to know to be able to come back, to be restored to God.  We can be reconciled to Him through His son, Christ Jesus, the Messiah.  That is why all prophesy and revelation ceased after the last book of the New Testament.  Once that old covenant, the old heavens and earth were judged in fire and their elements melted (2 Pet. 3: 7, 10), the new covenant, the new heavens and earth was fully established.  We don’t need anything else.  Judgment has been ongoing ever since.

Two previous posts, “The Whore of Babylon” and “The Beast of Revelation” provide evidences from both Old and New Testament scriptures for the identity of each of these as they occurred in Revelation.  Click on more storeis above.  More detail from the scripture is also noted in the posts titled “It’s Not The End of The World”, and many others.  All posts are also at https://shreddingtheveil.org.

Now that the time frame of Revelation is affirmed, the other signs from the book can be explored with confidence in the next parts of this series.  We will review the coded and signified elements in Part II.

All scripture is from the KJV.  All bold emphasis is mine.

 

 

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  • jknbt

    nobody knows the day or the hour…this means you too, friend…

    next thing on the calendar: revealing of the Antichrist

    • Jango

      jknbt: Nope, that is a misinterpretation. In all Bibles the verse “that day shall not come” is in italics or brackets because it is not in the original. The man of lawlessness is Not the Antichrist. The antichrist does not appear until Rev 13 and the Tribulation as described in the Book of Revelation happens IN SEQUENCE: 7 seals, 7 trumpets, and 7 bowls and they are opened in that order. The writer of this article does not agree with this, and that is where he/she is wrong. God is very orderly and precise, he did not write Revelations in a haphazard way. This is why one cannot take something from Rev 20 and apply it to today: It hasn’t happened yet. Once you understand this sequence, it is easier to understand the Book of Revelation. You can read my summary of end times or a Chapter by Chapter description at ItsHisStory.com God Bless, and I hope you are all ready because the time is very soon now…

      • Cintus Supremus

        “…is in italics or brackets because it is not in the original.”

        That is a 100 percent false statement, Jango.

        http://biblehub.com/text/2_thessalonians/2-3.htm

        This link will show you the major Manuscripts ALL include the phrase you say they do not include.

        Follow the facts. Don’t try to distort them.

  • Rex Ivy Productions

    This is a massive misinformation campaign designed to steer people into believing that there is a supernatural predetermined end to mankind. You state that it must be expected and accepted, for as you boldly proclaim, the Bible says so. The Bible, regardless of what some people believe, is nothing more than a cobbled together book by mostly unknown authors for the purpose of controlling people. That is an absolute fact and before you comment do some real research and find the truth! This author/commentator is taking advantage of peoples ignorance and manipulating their thought patterns to accept things as they are simply because the Bible allegedly says so. Prophecy can be bent to fit many scenarios both past and future. Can it be that the elite were involved with the authorship and construct of the Bible and are merely following it like a blueprint? Have you been made of non-effect believing that Jesus will come down from the sky and save you at the last moment? Did you ever think that’s exactly what they want you to believe? Passive acceptance has allowed the powers that be to run roughshod over the Goyim for thousands of years. Perhaps it’s time to wake up. I suggest you reconsider due to the fact that you have been programmed to believe that the words of suspect men are actually God’s word. Do some homework! Jesus’s real message was corrupted and we wouldn’t be living like this if we had followed what He had actually taught. https://seethechrist.com

    • Damien

      What predetermined end is the author pushing fundie.

      All she has done is shown the book of Revelation is not predicting something that is still to come but something that happened 2000 years ago (something that all molested and molesting ‘Jesus as God out Jews as Gods in’ fundie Christians don’t like – the judgement and end of Judah).

      • Rex Ivy Productions

        I appreciate your comment and understand what you are saying. There is a great deal of information that gets twisted when using books of the Bible that are known forgeries. I suppose the main point I’m trying to convey is that proving the Bible using the Bible is not at all Kosher. The whole New Testament, less the 6 or 7 books penned by Paul, are all anonymous or pseudepigrapha. That’s right all the books, less 6-7 of Paul’s, have authors unknown! Add to this that Paul never saw Jesus and you have a testament of nonsense. How much can actually be proven knowing these facts? Then of course we have to consider all the contradictions. I agree with you that fundamentalist Christians have been duped into believing as they do. There will be no Rapture! Dispensationalism as proffered by John Nelson Darby Et al is the only way that the futuristic interpretation of the Book of Revelation works and has conveniently been utilized to keep the scam going. I intend no disrespect whatsoever, I am one man who invested 11,000 hours of his life in search of truth and doing what I can to get others to do some further research. God bless and believe as you wish!

        • Damien

          For the BIN Gina always seems very refreshingly not part of the cultural shift in Christianity that took place in the 19th century as a response to the culture outside of it – as a way of hoping to manipulate it (opposition to the science, all the American fundie churches that popped up etc). ‘Christians’ only wanting the world and people in it to burn. A modern gnostic pandemic it appears to me too.

  • Anonymous

    The disciples though he was coming back in their generation. It’s been 0ver 2 thousand years and long past time that people got a clue.

    • Just me

      The Lord id not slack as you count slackness. He loves you enough to give you every chance to repent. But the end will surely come – just as it is prophesied.

  • Gina

    The point is that the book of Revelation is not about our future, or the future of any succeeding generation to come. It was about the immediate future that was facing the people living in AD 60 – 70. The destruction of Jerusalem, the destruction of the Herodian temple, the coming of His kingdom and the judgment Christ was bringing at the same time were future to them…. not us. Their days were the last days; they were the last days of that old Mosaic covenant that was ready to pass away in AD 60 – 65.

    We should not be using Revelation for prognosticating any events in our future. It is our example, our record, our assurance that Christ brought His kingdom fully established, and in force; that He won the victory, and that all those in Hades were brought under judgment, and then Hades was thrown into the lake of fire.

    We do not have to deal with Hades today. We do not have to wait for anything after we die. Christ has already taken care of all of it. If we die in the Lord, then we are resurrected, changed in a twinkling of an eye and taken home to heaven. If we do not die in the Lord, then we will be cast into outer darkness. Matt. 22: 1-11.

    What “end” do you want Him to bring? Do you want Christ to end the world? Well that is not what the book of Revelation was about.

    We have already had one example of when God decided to destroy mankind, and that was during the flood of Noah’s day. God at that time knew that only 8 souls were faithful, and that no other soul was going to turn to Him. Still, He gave them another 120 years to repent and call on Him. If anyone of them had listened to Noah’s preaching, and asked to come aboard that ark with them, they would have been welcomed. But, no one did.

    That is the example that we have of how He ended it before. Should God decide to end this world, and this new covenant, I believe it would be under the same circumstances… when He knows that no one else will come to Him. In the meantime, picture those running out to meet Jesus at the well with the Samaritan woman. He was watching them come to Him, and what did He say? His harvest! World without end, Amen!

    As long as there are souls that are answering the gospel call, that are being restored to God through Christ, then He has a harvest to bring home. Why should he end that? Read Part VII of It’s Not The End of The World for more discussion on this concept.

    • Truthseeker

      Gina what is there to DO in heaven??

      the Saints of God are to inherit the earth and rule earth as kings and lords.

      Did Christ not tell the 12 Apostles they will each rule a tribe of Israel? Is David not to be king over all 12 tribes forever?

      Gina the “mess” man has made is here on earth,

      Gina when Christ returns He will cause the whole earth to be restored as the Garden of Eden, or do you think He will just leave the mess we caused to remain for ever?

      You are a very deceived women.

      Women are more easily deceived then men and that is a fact.

      • Damien

        ANYTHING to keep people out of Christ as usual.

        There is never Israel outside of Judah sissytits

  • goastdale

    It is a biblical fact according to the bibles own figures that last days are the last 70 years of the number of years between BC596…to AD70 = 666 yrs the period of time outlined once as a MAN and once as a BEAST in Daniel Ch 2 & 7 respectively

    #1 this is how we know slam dunk that Muhammad was a false teacher…just like most “bible teaching Christians”…….THE SECOND COMING Thou Fool! “I come quickly” so “Hold fast till i come”… NOT …“in another 2000 yrs I might be coming soon any time now, so hold fast”!?! …those that deny the second coming of Christ in that first generation are practicing a damnable heresy in denying the lord that bought them ( 2Peter 2:1-2 ;2Tim 4:8)…….Mat 7:23..”I NEVER KNEW YOU” …..Mat 10:33. But whosoever shall deny me before men……..sound familiar?…. ……. If I said I am coming to your house in this generation when these things happen but no one knows the day or hour what fool would think I might be coming in 2000 years latter!?!? ..2 Tim 4: 4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be TURNED UNTO FABLES.

    Gal 1: 8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

    The book of Revelation offers us an interesting Theological dilemma. It states Rev 22:16. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. Revelation also states it is “the true sayings” of Jesus and that it is “the testimony of Christ”. If this is not “the gospel of Jesus Christ” then what is it and should we consider it accursed testimony of an angel? If it is not to be considered accursed, then it cannot be some other gospel message then what was already given previously. However, this is the conundrum, for if this is the gospel message, then why do so few understand it? There is a possibility which few consider but is the overall thesis of this apology. The reason people don’t understand revelation is because they never understood what the gospel message was in the first place! In that case, where does that put those who claim it is not essential for salvation? Do you not find it quite curious that the most “Personally” given NT book By Jesus himself, is the least understood and given the least importance for Salvation in Christendom?….There are numerous preachers and bible exegetes but as Paul said “… I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge” . Most who profess the name of Christ are feeding on doctrines of devils and the ignorant.. There are, without question, many “qualified” teachers and scholars with many years of “dedication” and “solid education”. However, teachers, no matter how well lettered or numbered in degrees; if obtained from others; who are just as equally ignorant in such matters, are just “ blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.”………………

    Revelation the First Gospel of the Kingdom
    978-1-4907-0590-3 (ISBN)

    Those looking for a physical return of Christ and your physical body to “leave the dirt” resurrected (1Cor 15:36-37) you are carnal mined & or living in prov 26:12

    DAY OF THE LORD”/ YEAR OF THE LORD – does NOT last for 24 hours!?!..Also means the day of resurrection & judgment do not last for one hour or one day either! They only begin (NOT END) in a certain hour & on a certain 24 hour day ….”SUN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS to arise”…..NOT..”come & get (your new resurrected body) it while it is still hot, only 24 hours of solar power left”!?!

    https://www.scribd.com/doc/308485609/Day-of-Lord-Not-24-Hours-I-Come-Quickly

    The second coming took place already and Christ promised that only HIS PEOPLE would see him ….John 14:19. Yet a little while, and THE WORLD SEETH ME NO MORE;….. [2 Cor 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ AFTER THE FLESH, yet NOW HENCEFORTH KNOW WE HIM NO MORE….(here the Context of John 14 is his second coming)…..continued…..but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20. AT THAT DAY .. 21. He that hath my commandments, and KEEPETH THEM, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and WILL MANIFEST MYSELF TO HIM……(again taking note “as he is” or 1Jn 3:2)

    22. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, HOW IS IT THAT THOU WILT MANIFEST THYSELF UNTO US AND NOT UNTO THE WORLD? 23. Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, HE WILL KEEP MY WORDS: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.( Rev 3:20) 24. He that loveth me not.. (1Cor 16:22)…. KEEPETH NOT MY SAYINGS: ( REV 9:16-20)

    REVELATION 1:7. Behold, HE COMETH WITH CLOUDS; and EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM, …. There is a parallel here with ………….Exodus 24:10. And THEY SAW THE GOD OF ISRAEL : and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. 11. And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also THEY SAW GOD, and did eat and drink………..But Christ said….. John 1:18. NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. A person can see with their understanding and or see with their eyes…. It can see “seen” for certain that everything that Christ described was seen by the folks of that day in His coming but do they perceive that was him? …So what Christ said is true every eye saw him but the world does not see him….. With the eye they and folks still today can see everything Christ described to have taken place, but they do not “keep” ( believe and understand) his words as such they do not see him nor shall they ever.

    The saints who have physical died faithful in the flesh (every man in his own order) are changed in the blink of an eye & caught up to sit on that Great white throne ( this congregation of the saints is the body of Christ that folks will answer to at the judgment and these saints will judge all men who cannot see Christ along with the rest of the world……Folks think they are waiting to see Jesus but they will NEVER see Jesus himself they will only see the body of Christ condemn them the saints judge the world (Rev 3:21; 1 Cor 6:2 et al) the saints are the body of Christ…that is the only part of Christ they shall see….only the saints shall see God face to face…..most peoples idea of the second coming & day of the Lord and the judgment is completely wrong

    https://www.scribd.com/doc/305366745/Revelation-the-First-Gospel-of-the-Kingdom

    or

    https://www.academia.edu/23464127/REVELATION_THE_FIRST_GOSPEL_OF_THE_KINGDOM

    978-1-4907-0590-3 (SC ISBN)

  • Firmament Does Exist

    As soon as I see an article or teaching and they are quoting Jesuit translations (KJV, etc) I know the person has no clue as to the Original Scripture. The Gospel from beginning to end was written in the stars (constellations-Heavenly Tablets) that man could not change before written in language, of course the pagans have twisted their original meaning as YHWH named them. Also The Feasts of YHWH are the Message and order of Events that have and will be fulfilled on YHWH appointed days according to His Calendar spelled out in Enoch and are all about the Messiah Yahuwshua. Passover, unleavened bread, firs fruits of those resurrected, and Pentecost were fulfilled in His First Coming. (Spring Feasts) Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Tabernacles(Fall Feasts) will be fulfilled in His Second coming. The 7 Holy Days are the yearly wedding rehearsal to get our garments white and be ready and know what time it is on YHWH calendar. Sabbath is Wednesday on Gregorian calendar till New Years at end of March and will advance to Thursday on the pagan calendar. The Kings Covenant of Yahuwshua was not made with a ” church” or with gentiles. Only those of the True Faith of Yahuwshua and His disciples are His Bride. He is not coming for any western, Sunday worshipping “church”.

    • Cintus Supremus

      And you yourself as an English speaker quote what?

      The Hebrew Old Testament and the Greek New Testament?

      We speak English here and thus we quote from English translations of the Scriptures.

      Your snobbish judgment of translation and Western believers in Christ makes it very apparent you’ve bothered yourself only about the mechanics of Scripture (the letter) than you have about the meaning of His Message (The Spirit).

      Seems to me Scripture has plenty to teach about that very error.

  • Firmament Does Exist

    Notice in the New City of YArushalom, there are 12 gates for each of 12 tribes of YAsarel. There is no gate for “Christians”. “Christian” means “followers of a king” but that could be any king. Hundreds of pagan emperors and god called themselves “_______Christos.” True believers have always called themselves “YAHUWans”. EL YAH said ” My People, who are called b My Name” 2Chr 7:14.
    YAHUWans are followers of “YAHUW, The Eternal King of The Family of YAH”. MeoshiYAch is the original title of YAHUW the Savior promised over 3200 times in OT.
    “AbraYA” and “AbraYAHUW” means “AbrAHams seed who worship YA/YAHUW/YAHUWAH”. It is the scriptural word. There was no covenant made with “Eber (cross over)” or “Ibri”. It was made with AbrAHam who ” worshipped El YAHUWAH.

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