THE TRINITY HERESY PART 2 ...LET'S TALK ABOUT US.....

LETS TALK ABOUT ‘US’”

But some will say “what About Gen “God said let us”………Summary:

1. it actually states “ELOHIM said let us” … while verse 26 uses the plural pronoun “us” it then uses the single pronouns “his” and “he” to reference God in verse 27. Thus, the argument that would claim God must be a plurality of persons because of verse 26 would also demand that God is a single person in verse 27. Logical coherence and or even so much as basic consistency are not values that the Trinitarians can afford to concern themselves (or anyone else,”…. never mind that man behind the curtain”) with too much.

2. The scriptures call angels and demons et al Elohim because the word is NOT a name but rather akin to a classification of life….Animal life….Human life…..Elohim life….Further the word Elohim is used in the very same way that the English word fish is used the same spelling of the word can refer to singular or plural, as in:…I have a FISH (singular Ex 4:16/ 7:1)…or…I have many FISH. (plural  Ps 95:3; 97:9; 82:1-7 et al) Note that the word Elohim also has a singular sense (see also Ex 4:16, 7:1). In the Ps references here we can also see that “ALL ELOHIM” demands that each one is a elohim. …. The comparison and contrast is also made in the fact that there are “OTHER ELOHIM” and God is above ALL those OTHER ELOHIM. …

NOTE: The fact that any language has different forms of the same word and or multiple different words that can all mean and or refer to the same definition does not invalidate the definition
 

FISH can be used as SINGLAR or PLURAL

FISHES is just another form of the word …The fact that the word Fishes exist does not prove that the word FISH is always singular!?!?  www.dictionary.com/browse/fishes

Elohim is SINGULAR or PLURAL the fact that there is another form of the word ELOAH  or EL OR ELI et al proves nothing !?!

3. Thirdly and most importantly, apparently either ignored or by virtue of absolute gross and inexcusable ignorance or willfully so but God has a conversation with a certain man, “in your KJV bible”,( or any of the other translations ) and lets him know that the angles were present and participating and doing work in the creation! In fact, God makes a point to tell this man that the man does not know the names of and or the “who did exactly what” during the creation. A king proclaiming work to be done before all of his servants: only a fool would doubt that He is talking to his servants and instead think he was only talking to himself.!?!? While it is true that God spoke some things into existence it is untrue that everything created was spoken into existence. Man was “formed” from the dirt that God had already created several days prior. Man was not spoken into existence he was first formed and then God breathed into the clay/dirt that had been formed.

-How come so many are so ignorant of these scriptural facts?..and yet I know why……. it demonstrates 2Thess 2:11-12…………… When God said He is ONE, there is no excuse for God In three persons…… Some would ask: “Does it means that angels is also a creator?”…NO why would it?..if you create a machine that can do work for you when the work is done YOU still get all the credit…God Created the angles (host of elohim; who also are always described looking like men because God created them that way with the same/ similar image that God himself is ALWAYS described as having!?!) The Lord Elohim (Lord of the Elohim who is himself Elohim; aka GOD) ALONE who gets ALL the credit because God created the angels and everything else in the same way a king takes the credit for building his empire even though his servants are involved in the work. They all do the work under the authority and power of the King and in this case it goes even further because in this case the King even created the servants that will be participating in the construction processes. Was God just bluffing? Was God telling Job you know I laid the foundation but did I do the other things or did someone else …Job could have called God’s bluff and said you did it all God for to you along belongs all the glory!…Ah, but it was NOT a bluff nor a vain attempt by God to claim “I did it all by my lonesome but ummmm..or did I?” Perhaps Trinitarians know better then God himself who did these things…if only Job had the wisdom & boldness of the trinitarins!?!? (Job 38:4-7)

Well Now,…………“Lets talk about ‘Us’”

-On “BEING” a PERSON……

There a chasm of dichotomy between what (A) Trinitarins claim ….and (B) what they are doing in actuality …..

(1) the Trinitarian claim is that God is three different persons but still ONE being (ASSERTION)

(2) The Trinitarians three different persons is in REALITY three different beings. Because a person is “a being” and “a being” is a person. (REALITY)

Simply imagining that there is a compatible but diametrically opposed pole difference between “a being” and “a person” ……. the idea that one being could be three different persons who are not three different beings when a person is a being by definition then what is really at work here is a willful denial of reality in favor of someone’s imagination.

Three different persons can NEVER be ONE IN NUMBER OF BEING…..in fact to suggest such is a oxymoron. A person is a being and three different persons is three different beings so to say God is three different persons who are one being is in fact to say (while trying to hide behind different terms that mean the same thing) “God is three different beings who are one being”. It would be just like me trying to say I have one Vehicle that is three different cars. That is incoherent nosense!………… A rose by any other name is still a rose. Three different persons is three different beings a single being that is three different persons only exist in the minds of those that create and hold on to that idea. The scriptures never say such things and Man is made in the image of God and that image demonstrates no such thing.

ELOHIM, HUMAN & ANIMAL are all classifications of life they are not names. Refer back to 8 for the proof that many persons are called Elohim angels demons even dead people. The point of the chart should be very clear unless you are confused by the linguistic contortions and acrobatics of the doctrine of trinity which all things considered should not be so surprising since it is by definition “INCOMPREHENSIBLE” (incoherent & inconsistent) It is no wonder then that the thinking of those who cannot grasp the significance here is also “INCOMPREHENSIBLE” (incoherent & inconsistent) Running around calling three different cars “ONE VEHICLE” or “THE VEHICLE (“GOD HEAD”) does not force reality to conform to your “confessions (or professions) of Faith”. A person is a “BEING” but three different persons is NEVER considered a being…..Likewise calling your three different god persons with different amounts of god knowledge wisdom and authority ONE God is simply delusional. (2 Thess 2: 11) Three gods is not one god no matter how much or how hard you confess it or want to believe that you only worship one God any more so then a prostitute, who claims/ confessing (ad nauseum) that pagan worship and or immoral practices are not immoral and that she denounces all forms of sexual immorality will not magically make the whoredom suddenly an expression of “good works”!?!…..ONE animal is ONE being….ONE PERSON is ONE BEING…..These kinds of arguments hold no water and only shows the lengths to which trinitarins will attempt at linguistic contortions to try to justify a incoherent and heretical position at any and all cost of reason, logic or scripture et al

Marcellus of Ancyra (fourth-century AD) said that the idea of the Godhead as three hypostases (hidden spiritual realities) came from Plato through the teachings of Valentinus, (c.100 – c.160) Valentinus taught that God is three hypostases and three prosopa (persons) each of the three persons being 1. the Father, 2. the Son and 3. the Holy Spirit:

“Now with the heresy of the Ariomaniacs, which has corrupted the Church of God … These then teach three hypostases, just as Valentinus the heresiarch first invented in the book entitled by him ‘On the Three Natures’. For he was the first to invent three hypostases and three persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and he is discovered to have filched this from Hermes and Plato.” Source: Marcellus, in Logan 2000:95/ AHB Logan: Marcellus of Ancyra (died c. 374AD) (Pseudo-Anthimus), On the Holy Church: Text, Translation and Commentary. Verses 8-9. Journal of Theological Studies, NS, Volume 51, Pt. 1, April 2000, p.95.

“All things are three, and thrice is all: and let us use this number in the worship of the gods; for, as the Pythagoreans say, everything and all things are bounded by threes, for the end, the middle and the beginning have this number in everything, and these compose the number of the Trinity’ “ (Aristotle, Fourth Century B.C. quote taken from: Arthur Weigall, Paganism in Our Christianity, 1928, pp. 197-198)

“It is generally, although erroneously, supposed that the doctrine of the Trinity is of Christian origin. Nearly every nation of antiquity possessed a similar doctrine. [The early Catholic theologian] St. Jerome testifies unequivocally, ‘All the ancient nations believed in the Trinity’ ” (Marie Sinclair, Countess of Caithness, Old Truths in a New Light, 1876 p. 382).

Col 2:8. Beware lest any man SPOIL YOU THROUGH PHILOSOPHY and vain DECEIT, AFTER THE TRADITION OF MEN, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9. For IN HIM DWELLETH ALL THE FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY

Thess 2:11. And for this cause GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie: 12. That THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED WHO BELIEVED NOT THE TRUTH, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

2Tim 4:3. For the time will come when THEY WILL NOT ENDURE SOUND DOCTRINE; but after their own lusts shall they HEAP TO THEMSELVES TEACHERS, having itching ears; 4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and SHALL BE TURNED UNTO FABLES.

Interestingly enough Valentinus himself would later be condemned as a Gnostic heretic for some of his other heretical teachings that the orthodoxy (which is just a fancy word for “popular”) did not accept. According to Clement of Alexandria as well as Valentinus himself, Valentinus claimed to have developed his ideas from Theodas or Theudas, who was said to be a disciple of St. Paul.

Acts 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. 28. Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29. FOR I KNOW THIS, THAT AFTER MY DEPARTING SHALL GRIEVOUS WOLVES ENTER IN AMONG YOU, NOT SPARING THE FLOCK. 30. ALSO OF YOUR OWN SELVES SHALL MEN ARISE, SPEAKING PERVERSE THINGS, TO DRAW AWAY DISCIPLES AFTER THEM. 31. THEREFORE WATCH, AND REMEMBER, THAT BY THE SPACE OF THREE YEARS I CEASED NOT TO WARN EVERY ONE NIGHT AND DAY WITH TEARS.

Marcellus of Ancyra, like to attack his opponents by linking them to Valentinus: and apparently he believed that the idea of God existing in three hypostases as heretical.

(On the Holy Church, 9)

“Valentinus, the leader of a sect, was the first to devise the notion of three subsistent entities (hypostases), in a work that he entitled On the Three Natures. For, he devised the notion of three subsistent entities and three persons — father, son, and holy spirit.” Early Christian Writings: Valentinus

Concerning Valentinus Tertullian states:

Valentinus had expected to become a bishop, because he was an able man both in genius and eloquence. Being indignant, however, that another obtained the dignity by reason of a claim which confessorship had given him, he broke with the church of the true faith. Just like those (restless) spirits which, when roused by ambition, are usually inflamed with the desire of revenge, he applied himself with all his might to exterminate the truth; and finding the clue of a certain old opinion, he marked out a path for himself with the subtlety of a serpent. Adversus Valentinianos, iv,

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