Part 2- Most True Christians Go to Hell

Predestination….its true..its all true…download here https://www.scribd.com/doc/306868420/Most-True-Christians-Go-to-Hell http://www.globethics.net/gtl/10920800 Most true Christians go to hell https://www.academia.edu/25217564/Most_True_Christains_Go_to_Hell

Those that deny individual predestination should expect to find themselves on the “HELL FIRE” end of that predestination program and plan that God is working even now……Uhoo…..Time to wake up everyone those are only fairy-tales about a Jesus who loves everyone such that anyone can be saved even ignoring the fact that Jesus taught that most Christians who come to him will be rejected in the end and blotted out of the book of life ….so better not get to comfortable in your “Christian walk” and “your church life”

There is a contrast between the world that God so loved and there is the World that God HATES……It not the roman world or the world of the Maya but the WORLD spoken of in the law and prophets …..oh yea That world!?!

According to orthodox. Dictionary.com. Online Etymology Dictionary. Douglas Harper, Historian. The word “orthodoxy  is  from Greek orthos  which means “right”, “true”, “straight”  + doxa  which means “opinion” or “belief” and the word is related to dokein, “to think”. Never the less the word  orthodoxy is really just used as a fancy word that means “conforming to the Christian faith as represented in the creeds of the early Church”. These creeds were determined by councils that voted on things so it really represents  “most popular” or  “majority of  (your group)  thinking” when any group refers to itself as being within  or as the orthodoxy

However, a point that gets missed is that no matter who is “orthodoxy” the fact remains that the vast overwhelming majority of “true Christians” are on their way to hell forever without any purgatory or reprieve! So the fact you rest in what you consider to be orthodoxy is not going to keep you from the fate that awaits most of any “orthodox” group.

Mat 22:14 …..MANY are CALLED…..

Mat 20:16.  So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, …..

Only those who actually “find” or “Come to Christ” are of the called. The called are defined by the fact that they have accepted Christ and the gift of salvation offered.

Rom 1:7.  To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:

Rom 8:30 whom he did predestinate, them he also CALLED……..

Acts 2:39…even AS MANY as the Lord our God shall CALL…..

We are “called out of darkness into His marvelous light” (1 Peter 2:9), ” called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord” (1 Corinthians 1:9), ” called to liberty” (Galatians 5:13), and ” called to peace” (1 Corinthians 7:15). We are ” called children of God” (1 John 3:1), We are called by “the upward call of God in Christ Jesus” (Philippians 3:14), ” called with a holy calling” (1 Timothy 1:9), a “heavenly calling” (Hebrews 3:1). We are called by the gospel (2 Thessalonians 2:14). Acts 2:19; Rom 1:6; 8:28 “those that love God”; Rom 8:28…Them that love God,[Prov 8:17] to THEM WHO ARE THE CALLED 30. moreover WHOM HE DID PREDESTINATE, them he also CALLED:”.Rom 9:24 ; 1 Cor 1:2 “called to be saints“: vers 9, 24,26 et al ad fin,

Even still only FEW, out of those who are called and thus have come to Christ, actually CHOSEN to make it to heaven.

Mat 22:14 continued ……….FEW are chosen

Mat 20:16 continued ……………………. but few chosen.

This is 180degees from the popular assertions and ideas of most Christians who are in fact the very heretics and ones that do not make it to heaven. Out of all those that seek God’s favor and find it, only very few will actually make it all the way to heaven. The reason that few make it is that very few of the people that actually come to Christ remain faithful unto death . And this is also one of the important lessons of the seven Churches of Asia found in the book of Revelation itself, is that Heretics and reprobates (Those that initially find the truth[babes n Christ; 1Cor 3:2; Heb 5:12-14] but then turn away from the truth the more they learn or understand of it due to among other reasons the less they spend investing study with it.[Mat 13:19-23] )………….. make up the “ORTHODOXY”/ majority of “true Christians”, even in “the true church” no matter how anyone attempts to define that within Christian theology. Another way of saying this was that only those who “Seek” and actually “find” or “Come to Christ”  are of the called. Those who seek will find or come to Christ, after they have found him, only few of those that find and come to and accept Christ actually make it to heaven with Christ.

Mat 7:13.  Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Heb 11: he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. (see also Mat 6:33)

Mat 7:7.  Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8.  For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Prov 8: 17. I LOVE THEM THAT LOVE ME and those that seek me early shall find me.. 21. That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; …(Rom 9:21-23)

1 Peter 4:18.  And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

John 14:66.  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me

Rev 19:13. .. and HIS NAME IS called THE WORD OF GOD………………………………… Acts 4:12. … for there is NONE OTHER NAME under heaven given among men, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED…………………….

John 1:1. In the beginning was the Word, and THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD 2. The same was in the beginning with God.      ……………………………..1John 5:13.  These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

The way that so few can find is the word of God, the truesayings and or doctrine of Christ who is the word made flesh……..THE WORD Is HIS NAME, THE ONLY NAME THAT CAN SAVE YOU!!.(not the letters that spell “the word” but the COMMANDS[s] TEACHINGS, DOCTRINE).. THE NAME OF THE LORD IS THE COMMAND (for baptisms et al) and the works they DENY him with (Titus 1:16) !?!

In proper and sound Christian theology (as opposed to popular orthodoxy) only very few Christians actually make it to heaven or to say it another way only few Christians keep from getting their names blotted out of the book of life due to apostasy! This calls for a Graphic and brief expose on how and why all of this works even within the scope of sound Christian predestination doctrine.

Part 1

1. Rev 17:8……….. WHOSE NAMES WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD,  Look back and or consider Rev 3:5; 13:8; 20:12,15; 21:27. It is important to note that those who have their name written in the book of life from the foundation of the world is contrasted with those who did not have their names written in the book of life from the foundation of the world. Only those whose names were in the book of life from before the foundation of the world could possibly be saved….This demonstrates, among other things, that not everyone who is born was written in the book of life from the foundation of the world. …..out of the total population some people were created for damnation Rom 9:22.  What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the VESSELS OF WRATH FITTED (CREATED) TO DESTRUCTION:……..Prov 16:4  The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, EVEN THE WICKED FOR THE DAY OF EVIL.………………Job 21:30.  That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.

 Both “FREE WILL” and “SOVEREIGN GRACE” (reformed theology) Folks make the SAME error..They conceptualize two groups only (the saved and the lost) then then argue over the reasons why everyone is in one of those two groups…….BUT…..BUT…The scriptures describe three groups of people and it makes all the difference in the world because two groups only will always create contradictions…ABSOLUTE DETERMINISM and FREE WILL are NOT mutually exclusive ! (either in scripture nor logically can be)…..OSAS ONLY applies to the elect/called who have DIED FAITHFUL and thus SAVED they are as such FOREVER SAVED/can never be lost….Everyone else who is still alive in the flesh either (1) can get their names blotted out or (2) were NEVER written in the book of life period…

Eph 1:4 & This is the whole point to doctrine of and what election is.!!……..:Rom 9: 11. (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that……………. CALLETH;)

God Knew and chooses us (by name) before the world began ……..

2Tim 1:9. Who hath saved us, and…….. CALLED us ………..with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN,

2. Which lead to the “some” ……Out of the total population some NOT everyone are called/saved..only those to whom it is given (Jn 6:37&44; Mat 19:11-12 et al) .Ergo: “MANY” not all………….

Mat 22:14 MANY (not everyone) are CALLED….. FEW……. are chosen

Mat 20:16.  So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Rom 8:30 whom he did predestinate,(Philippians 1:29.  [determined that they would]…to believe on him) them he also CALLED……(these can only be saved folk but not everyone).

Acts 2:39…even AS MANY (not everyone!) as the Lord our God shall CALL… ……… Thus some people realy don’t have a chance for salvation.               

3. Out of the called/saved the majority will have their names blotted out of the book of life ergo: MANY called/obtained salvation….. FEW chosen (they were not faithful unto death/ reverted to heathens/ heretics et al) as such their name get blotted out of the book of life (Rev 17:7)

NOTE:

Matthew 13:18.  Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. 19.  When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, (in this parable, the word of the kingdom is the seed that is sown) and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. (the heart of “any/all men” is the “field”/ ground) This is he which received seed by the way side. (heard the word but never “accepted Christ”) 20.  But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21.  Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. (These “accepted Christ”/became Christains) 22.  He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. (These “accepted Christ”/became Christains) 23.  But he that received seed into the good ground (the heart of “any/all men” is the “field”/ ground) is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. (These “accepted Christ”/became Christains/ do not get blotted out of the book of life)

We can see even in this parable more types of “Christains” who fail to keep faith in the end. It matters not if these were “weak Christans” (that is the point most are!) or that they may not have “fully understood the truth and or were ever “fully mature” because that is the point.  No christain knows all there is to know or understand. The point is that except for the first group mentione in verse 19 these men here are considered as having come to /Christ thus Christains/ under/in the grace of God there is a. Further even “mature” Christains can fall into one of those categlories ergo: 1 Cor 9:27 27….LEST that by any means, when I have preached to others, I MYSELF SHOULD BE CAST AWAY (Rom 2:21)……..Ergo: ……..2Peter 2:10…make your CALLING and ELECTION sure…………………

 4. The only ones who were ever written in the book of life were the ones God predestined/ called/ initially obtained salvation such as Paul….Gal 1:15. … GOD, WHO SEPARATED ME FROM MY MOTHER’S WOMB, and CALLED ME by his grace…..1 Cor 9:27 27….LEST that by any means, when I have preached to others, I MYSELF SHOULD BE CAST AWAY (Rom 2:21)……..Ergo: ……..2Peter 2:10…make your CALLING and ELECTION sure…………………

…..THREE CIRCLES …THREE SIFTINGs OF MEN…….

…Three circles one in side the other…(A) the large circle is the total of the General population out of which (B) the second circle inside of that circle are the “MANY” that are called/predestined/ written in the book of life…(C) inside that circle is a smaller circle of the “FEW” that are chosen of “the called”  (of Those that don’t get their names blotted out of the book of life because they remain faithful unto death)……….This is also one of the lessons of the seven Churches itself, is that Heretics and reprobates make up the “ORTHODOXY”/ majority/”MANY” called, of “true Christians”, even in “the true church”…………

Part 2

The argument(s) between foreknowledge and fore-determination is a non-sequitor both are mutual imperatives NOT mutual exclusive……………. some such as Reformed theologians and Calvinist try to argue that the decision was not based on any external factors such as looking down through the corridors of time (and seeing with his foreknowledge what would happen) bur rather solely by His sovereignty. However, this is a non sequitur. Foreknowledge about events and time that God has not yet created cannot be considered an external factor to God!?! Factors such as time, things or events cannot exist external of God until He creates it. Thus, to attempt to claim that foreknowledge was not the bases of Gods decision because it is somehow an external factor is just a non sequitur in the first place not to mention 1Pt 1:2… Until God creates the time, people and events there are no “external factors” in existence. No matter how you define terms foreknowledge and decrees both come before the creation (or any external factors exist) not the other way around!?! Many reformed theologies use a backward thinking model to start the argument from. Again, Time did not even exist until after God created it based on what He knows and decided internal to Himself. Time is not a environment that God is subject to. To this some might agree and say see you just made/proved the reformist argument God did not look down through time. However, no, what they conveintly miss is the fact that God specifically states that it is based on his foreknowledge and yet they try to refine what that means to avoid the obvious implications: Namely God designed time and a matrix if you will for all the possible contengenices fully knowing exactly how it would all play out based on how all the variables would interact through that time in that matrix based on the rules He created for each of the variable, such things as logic, physics, chance et al ad fin (It is almost a certainty that we cannot even know what all the various veriables are that affect things)  Thus, God FORKOWING all time and varibles within how (according to the rules He set them) all in would all play out before the time/matrix was created, not looking down through anything but determining how all varibles would be created and the rules they would follow. (if you forknow all varibles and the time/matrix they operate in plus all outcomes before you create having other possible ways of creating then logicaly you determined or contolled all). Thus, God is true these men liars! How in the world would it even be possible to look through the corridors of time if time does not even yet exist?!? God Foreknows and decides before He created time or people. Thus logically THERE CAN BE NO EXTERNAL FACTORS (Even within the free will argument ET AL) THAT INFLUENCES OR DETERMINES GOD’S DECISIONS BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. The “majority” Calvinist objection to Foreknowledge as the bases is logical nonsense. He could have done things in a infinite number of ways and gotten a infinite number of other or different results. However, once He decided how to do things and knowing all consequences and results then he logically determined the end of all things and no one had a say so about it. This does not negate man’s free will for man was created by God and given options and the ability to exercise options it is true most will not exercise the option to be saved but the option exist and they do have the ability to exercise it in the same sense that those saved can exercise it. However, it is equally true that they cannot come to him (John 5:40 compare and contrast with John 6:44/ Mat 13:11-15/ Rom 9:21-23) because he has determined who would and would not be called. Again once you know and determine the path to be created and those who will walk on it and knowing all outcomes and all points in between you have thus determine the outcome. It is simply one of Perspective. God knows but God determines YOU CANNOT DETERMINE WITHOUT FOREKNOWING and likewise YOU CANNOT FOREKNOW ALL POSSIBILITIES AND CHOOSE ONE PATH WITHOUT HAVING DETERMINED ALL. They are not mutually exclusive logically they cannot be. One is subordinate to the other and this is the point to Rom 9. God determines all things because he has all knowledge, power, presence where as man who only has limitations defined within that infinity has options and the ability to exercise the option. Free will is a set of limitations exercised by finite beings that exist within a infinite God. The two concepts cannot logically be mutually exclusive, because one is subordinate to the other. The finite can never be said to supersede the infinite not even “theoretically”. The two concepts exist one inside the other. They are not mutually exclusive in any shape form or fashion.