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7 Clues to Identify the Harlot of Revelation 17

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“All roads lead to Rome.” Christ is the only way to God (John 14:6) but He is the Truth, and if we follow truth as we understand it, we get to God.

Note: This isn’t against sincere Catholic believers, but against a hierarchy that knows the system is phony, but participates in deception.

God winks in times of ignorance but commands repentance and coming out of the false systems of Babylon that include medical, educational, governmental and religious aspects, Rev 18:2-4.

Christ said to call no man ‘Father,’ (Matt 23:9) and dp not use vain repetition as the heathen in praying Hail Mary. Matt 6:7. Was He cluing us?

When asked about the end of the world, He said to understand the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel, Matthew 24:15.

The desolating power is linked to the little horn that becomes great in Daniel 8, and it does the same things as the little horn that grew out of the 4th beast—the Roman Empire in Daniel 7 after Babylon. Medo-Persia & Grecia were also foretold by name in Daniel 8:20,21 and we can’t even know what tomorrow brings!

The Protestant Reformers all saw the papacy as the little horn that persecuted the saints and changed times and laws, Daniel 7:25.

The catechism abolishes the 2nd Commandment of Exodus 20 that forbids images and to maintain 10, they divided the 10th Commandment into two—not coveting our neighbors wife and not coveting his goods. Catholics should read their Bible.

Their Bible also teaches to ‘remember the sabbath day to keep it holy,’ but Rome changed the day to Sunday, claiming it honored the resurrection.

Romans 6 shows baptism is a memorial of Christ’s death, burial and resurrection, but for a church that sprinkles instead of immersion, the memorial or significance is gone, clued by Daniel.

Christ might have said to study Revelation, but it had not yet been written. The 17th chapter is clear.

1. The harlot is sitting on “many waters,” but the  waters are “peoples, multitudes, nations, tongues” in verse 15. Can we guess what church this is?

2. She is in bed with kings (governments) verse 2. This church is so political, that it was behind the United Nations as a form of world government.

3. The pope will ride and guide the New World Order (imagery of verse 3) in the near future.

4. ‘Arrayed in purple and scarlet,” the color of cardinals, verse 4.

5. “Decked with gold and precious stones”—this is a wealthy church, verse 4.

6. “Mother of Harlots,” a mother church of those that came from her, but they are harlots because they no longer protest her abominations.

7. She is sitting on seven hills—Rome. There are a few other cities that have seven hills, but putting the above clues together, they only fit the papacy as Babylon, Mother of Abominations that include wars from the time of the Crusades against Islam to the genocide of Protestant Tutsis in Africa as the UN bowed to the pope and ordered its troops to “stand down” and let the local government (Catholic) take care of business. The blood of a million is on John Paul II, UN and Clinton—see documentary– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3DrvrrSgHI

Jack Chick (a Protestant publisher whose books by Alberto Rivera, former Jesuit priest, were sold out of a closet in a Christian bookstore) said,

Rome in a position of weakness, is as gentle as a lamb.

Rome in a position of equality, is as clever as a fox.

Rome in a position of strength, is as fierce as a tiger.

John F Kennedy’s opposition to serving his church’s war agenda in Vietnam got him killed. He also opposed the Federal Reserve that sends billions to the UK and on to the Vatican; watch at 16-18 minute point—it’s outrageous that this could be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EYPiZisHlI

After Reagan took a bullet, he decided to work with Rome and open our southern border and he approved FEMA camps (REX 84) for illegal immigrants, but now illegal aliens are okay, but people who believe in Bible prophecy are now seen as potential domestic terrorists and will need to be ‘screened’ when martial law comes to a city near you when end-times begin with a huge earthquake, Joel 2:10,11; Zech 14:1-5.

The papacy is represented by the beast from the sea (waters are peoples, nations, Rev 17:15) in Rev 13 described as an amalgamation of the kingdoms that it survived and assimilated from Daniel 7. The deadly would was the Protestant Reformation now healed with joint communion with Lutherans, the wound is now healed.

The US is the 2nd beast that comes from the earth (unpopulated New World as opposed to sea) and has two uncrowned horns—a government without a king and a church without a pope—Protestant America that brings fire from heaven (Hiroshima) and causes the world to make an image—a look alike to the papacy. The UN New World Order will be similar to the Old World Order in its use of force to compel all to false worship—the hallmark of the papacy when they have the power, Rev 13:14-17.

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    • jknbt

      Warning to Catholics serving God in Vain as “Foolish Galatians”

      you catholics serve God in vain because you have never repented in the first place:

      1) Worshiping gods/goddesses other than the one God through prayers to saints & angels (breaks first commandment)

      2) Using idols, icons, statues & etc as part of worship, strictly forbidden (breaks second commandment)

      3) Works salvation….take a good long hard look at the letter to Galatians, and you will realize you have fallen from grace. Being baptized, trying to be a good person according to the moral laws, & doing good works doesn’t save anyone, you foolish Galatians…salvation is only by grace through faith. Jesus said, “You must be born again” (John 3:3).

      4) Jesus said people who turn from the bible and teach the doctrines of man are serving God in vain…see Matt 15:9

      Repent while you can. You have been warned.

      See:
      https://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

      http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0082/0082_01.asp

      See also: The Gospel According to Rome: Comparing Catholic Tradition and the Word of God
      by James G. McCarthy

      https://www.amazon.com/Gospel-According-Rome-Comparing-Tradition/dp/1565071077

      Catholics will fill their churches the Sunday following the “thief in the night” pre-trib Rapture. They will ask their priests,

      • “What just happened”

      • “Why were we left behind???!!!”

      • “Why were we not warned!?”

      I hope you will consider what I am saying here so that you are not among them.

      • Truthseeker

        jknbt

        the Day of the LORD comes as a thief in the night, NOT a rapture or the tribulation.

        2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

        do you have any idea when the the day of the LORD occurs?

        • Crazy times

          1 Thessalonians 5:2-4 English Standard Version (ESV)

          2 For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction WILL COME UPON THEM as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and THEY WILL NOT ESCAPE

          4 *BUT YOU* ARE NOT IN DARKNESS, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief….

          and will :arrow: ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS…. Luke 21:36

          The rapture will be Amazing ,Spectacular event for those called away from the Day of the Lord as a thief and they WILL ESCAPE AS THEY WERE NOT IN DARKNESS …. :idea:

          • Dr Richard Ruhling

            Yes, Crazy Times, I agree with most of what you posted–you might find this of inferest– http://chooseabetterdestiny.com/rapture.htm

            • Crazy times

              Tks for the link Doc, I’m fully aware of SDA doctrine, read your synopsis of events and couldn’t disagree more, there are many pearls I’m not allowed to share with NONE Triunity believers, you understand , suffice to say, I love those who ask seek and find…..

              ps truthavoider is god himself, he listens to know one’s opinion except versions from 1967 Catholic text he once showed me as truth …go figure his mind is mayhem.

          • Truthseeker

            LOL crazy point out the wording showing this is about a rapture.

            • Crazy times

              well it is . :idea: ..sorryseeker it is ,it’s there right in front of your EYES but your wretched , miserable pitiful, Poor, in Spirit and above all naked and BLIND rev Revelation 3:18

      • Ste Gre

        Why are end time “christians” so vain to think they are more special to be saved from persecution by the so-called rapture than all the christians throughout history, and even today, who have been persecuted and killed.

        The rapture is the false deception created by Satan. Those who receive the “Mark of the Beast” won’t think it’s the Mark of the Beast because they believe that they will be raptured before the coming of the Mark of the Beast. Denominational christians, counterfeit christians, weak christians will receive the Mark of the Beast, unknowingly. True christians are to endure until the last day.

        Let’s reason this out. If the rapture is to escape the tribulation, like how most christians believe, why would the dead in Christ rise? If they are dead they shouldn’t be hurt by the persecution of christians during the tribulation. Christians who are living will need to endure unto the end and follow the “christian” underground railroad. Why are end time “christians” so vain to think they are more special to be saved from being harmed than all the christians throughout history, and even today, who have been persecuted and killed.

        There are, of course, two resurrections: the first at the soon to return of Jesus where the dead in Christ shall rise first and the living shall be caught up with the dead and the second at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ where all the other dead from all of history shall rise and be judged from the Book of Life according to their works – some to everlasting life, some to everlasting death. Blessed are the ones who rise in the first resurrection. (Revelation 20)

        Put on your armour of God and prepare for what Satan has plans for the world today. There are many warnings to christians about backsliding. There will be a great falling away from the faith and one must have faith to begin with in order to fall away from it, eh? There are two reasons to fall away: one, fear and, two, the ways of the world.

    • Dr Richard Ruhling

      There are many fine Catholic Christians who may be better off than many Protestants who don’t live their faith, but sadly the Catholic Church does little to education their members on the truths of the Bible which teaches the priesthood of all believers, Exod 19:5,6 and Rev 1:6.

    • Dr Richard Ruhling

      Good question you ask, Truthseeker.
      I believe it is linked to the phrase you quoted, “when they say ‘Peace & safety.” 1Thess 5
      The Iran Nuclear Treaty was ‘peace & safety’ and it was updated by the UN
      International Day of Peace and the theme for 2017 included the words “peace” & “safety”
      Two days later, the “Great Sign” of Rev 12 was in the sky– https://youtu.be/ooaHRssYqxk
      Rapturists were disappointed, but God doesn’t put the “Bridege Out” sign on the bridge–
      He puts it down the road so we can understand and get ready.
      I’m quite sure it points to this spring when “the day of the Lord comes” as Zech 14:1,2
      shows, linked to the destruction of Jerusalem one morth before the US gets judgment
      “as the days of Noah” (2nd spring month–May Day, but late in May)
      Please get a copy of The Destruction of Jeruslaem: a Sign for US of Good News Amid
      Impending Calamity, FREE tomorrow at http://amzn.to/2AwUOh6

      • Truthseeker

        Doc,

        You and I do not see the Word in the same light.

        First, the Catholic Church is Satan’s counterfeit of God’s Church.
        Nothing they teach even approaches Truth.

        Catholic’s are actually pagans. They follow nothing Christ taught.

        Second; the end times is 7 years in length, see Leviticus 26: 1 – 39.

        There are 3 periods of 7 years each allowed by the contract for God to bring Israel to repentance, 21 years 3 x 7 but when the 4th and last period of 7 years begins God destroys the nations of the House of Israel and sends the 1/3 that survive in to captivity.

        The first 3 ½ years are the beginnings of Sorrows during which the first four seals are completed.

        At the abomination of Desolation which occurs at Passover time the Great Tribulation begins and the final 3 1/2 years begins

        The Tribulation the 5th Seal, is cut short by the 6th Seal when God shakes the heavens and the earth THEN the Day of the LORD begins which is the 7th Seal.

        The Seventh seal contains the 7 Trumpet plagues’ and at the 7th i.e. the Last Trump, Jesus Christ returns and the First resurrection takes place.

        And the last 7 years, begins on a Feast of Trumpets,

        The 7 years has not begun – I look for it to “””possibly””” start this year at the Feast of Trumpets — the sign it is starting is the daily sacrifice will be stopped or prevent from occurring – 30 days after the Sacrifice is stopped — the time of the end begins.

        • Dr Richard Ruhling

          Hi Truthseeker,

          Actually we agree on very much of what you wrote above, but I believe “the day of the Lord” begins with judgment on Jerusalem as seen in Zech 14:1,2 and verse 3-5 includes the earthquake of Joel 3:16 when the Lord shall roar from Jerusalem and the earth shall shake.
          I believe it will be the earthquake that initiates “the day of the Lord” in Joel 2:10,11; Zeph 1:7,10 and 1thess 5:2,3 and will come at 2nd Passover “as the days of Noah” after Jerusalem has judgment at 1st Passover (late April) You can get a FREE copy of my ebook that explains more tomorrow on Amazon, http://amzn.to/2AwUOh6 Wishing you well….

        • Crazy times

          sorryseeker…Doc is right you have much in common with him being SDA so stop calling your bro unintelligent, he makes his claims eloquently even if he’s wrong like you.

          • Dr Richard Ruhling

            Crazy Times, It’s true that I have an SDA background but I’ve asked them to take my name off the membership list–I agree with my favorite author, Ellen White who was also SDA but saw the church in apostasy until the Lord comes. When they voted a hierarchical church structure like the Catholic Church has, her reply was, “How is the faithful city become an harlot.” 8Testimonies, pg 250 for any SDA that reads this. The wedding parable of Matt 25:6 says, “The Bridegroom comes, go ye OUT to meet Him.”

          • Truthseeker

            crazy, doc is a rapture guy like you, i believe, and I do not believe he has ever said he keeps the Sabbath — so he is more like you then he is like me.

            crazy give us one clear scripture that states you are going to heaven, yes those at the return will rise into the clouds but where does it state you are going to live in the 3rd heaven — do not bother bringing up the mansions scripture — there ain’t no houses or streets or bathrooms in heaven.

            Crazy what do you think you will do for eternity in heaven?? will you be retired with nothing to do?? I am a DOER, I do not sit around, I work as does my elder Brother Jesus Christ and His Father as well.

            I spread by hand in two days 18,000 lbs of #5 rock around my property — I love to work.

            I hope to assist Christ in turning the whole earth in the garden of Eden, I love developing land. You do know that is the plan? When Christ returns that is what will occur.

            Too bad you will be rolling around heaven all day.

            • Truthseeker

              crazy too bad you will miss this great opportunity.

              God is going to restore the whole earth as the garden of Eden — and that my friend will truly be wonderful.

              33 Thus saith the Lord GOD;— In the day — that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded.

              34 And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by.

              35 And they shall say,—- This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; —- and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.

            • Crazy times

              nakedseeker “give us one clear scripture that states you are going to heaven”

              Philippians 3:20
              20 :arrow: But our citizenship :arrow: IS IN HEAVEN, :idea: and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,

              to receive us unto HIMSELF John 14:3 ….NO ANGELS

            • Crazy times

              Blindseeker…He’s a none triunity believer so CLEARLY one of YOURS as that IS a Salvation issue to the Mainline believers; the rapture issue is NOT a salvation issue, The Doc believes the “going out to meet Him” is at the End, to me that’s not in context with His examples and Precepts He gave us in Noah and Lot … which where dealt with FIRST which IS iIN Context with …Judgement BEGINS IN THE HOUSE OF GOD FIRST :idea:

              1 Peter 4:17
              “For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it :arrow: BEGINS WITH US.” :idea: ……NOT AT THE END.

              as I said I love those who “ask seek and find” you do none of that, your a fake truthseeker one to avoid, keep building seeker, His Kingdom is NOT of this World your building your own Eden out of rubble: while we go out to meet Him, to heaven with streets paths of Gold.

            • Crazy times

              While your walking on your rubble we’ll be walking on Gold …. “too bad you will miss this great opportunity.” so be it.

            • Truthseeker

              crazy

              Philippians 3:20
              20 But our citizenship IS IN HEAVEN, and we eagerly “”"await”"” a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,

              Why then does Paul state we eagerly await a Savior — FROM — there,— why not we eagerly await to “”be”" there.

              this does not in any way state YOU crazy are going to heaven.

              the Government of God IS In heaven — now — and Jesus Christ is bringing that Government to earth. The Saints are citizens of that kingdom that government which is now in heaven — remember the “Lord’s prayer –”thy kingdom come”

              Crazy i await the coming of that kingdom, the government, Jesus Christ is bringing that kingdom to earth and He will rule the whole earth as King.

              You are reading into scriptures the outcome you want, if you do not put all scriptures together you will always be off in left field.

              Crazy Jesus Christ states “but now is my kingdom not from hence.”

              36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

              When HIS kingdom IS FROM HERE Jesus Christ will fight, Did you miss the scriptures describing that Battle of the great day of God Almighty when Christ returns and slays His enemies?

              the only way to arrive at a rupture is to twist scripture and to read into scripture what they do not say.

              Yes Crazy the whole earth will be in ruin and the Government of God including the Remnant of the 12 tribes will restore the entire earth as the Garden of Eden.

              One day you will know you have been conned

            • Truthseeker

              Crazy I am being judged now, If I die before His Return my salvation, if I endue until the end is sure — there is no more judgment for me.

              1 Peter 4:17
              “For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God;

            • Crazy times

              blindaccursednakedseeker…DENY what you like, take AWAY what you like, but OUR Citizenship (REAL CHRISTIANS) IS IN HEAVEN as He stated IN CONTEXT :arrow: “from THERE” :idea: Pointing to HEAVEN where He’s coming from…”as it is written” a clear Scripture.

              …otherwise it would read Our citizenship is ON EARTH….but you being god tried to change it’s context to suit yourself , a creed you made up from ur own ecclesia of seeker cult :twisted:

              “there is no more judgment for me.” You said

              This is not your worst statement, you reckon you get another chance of salvation at “the Great White Throne Judgement seat” if you got it wrong while alive… :roll: :roll:

    • CTrent33

      “This isn’t against sincere Catholic believers, but against a hierarchy that knows the system is phony, but participates in deception.”

      The modern hierarchy is filled with invader jews that follow an entirely different religion made up at the second vatican council. So, yes, their system is phony and counterfeit. Catholicism is not. The Catholic Church is the Bride of Christ.

      “Christ said to call no man ‘Father,’’

      All Catholic priests share in Christ’s Preisthood and are fathers through Him:

      1 Corinthians 4:14-15 “I write not these things to confound you; but I admonish you as my dearest children. For if you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet not many fathers. For in Christ Jesus, by the gospel, I have begotten you.”

      ‘and dp not use vain repetition as the heathen in praying Hail Mary.”

      Heathens do not say the Hail Mary. It is the Angelic salutation and in holy Scripture. Praying to God through Mary is not a prayer in vain. Saying it is vain is to say Scripture is vain. The whole Rosary is comprised of Scripture and Apostolic Tradition.

      2 Thessalonians 2:14 “Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.

      “The Protestant Reformers”

      Rather protestant defamation.

      “The catechism abolishes the 2nd Commandment of Exodus 20 that forbids images and to maintain 10, they divided the 10th Commandment into two”

      That has always been a part of the first Commandment: Baltimore Catechism:

      198. What is the first commandment of God?
      The first commandment of God is: I am the Lord thy God; thou shalt not have strange gods before Me.

      Thou shalt not have strange Gods before me. Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth. (Exodus 20:3-4)

      Their Bible also teaches to ‘remember the sabbath day to keep it holy,’ but Rome changed the day to Sunday, claiming it honored the resurrection.

      Acts 20: 7 “And on the first day of the week, when we were assembled to break bread, Paul discoursed with them, being to depart on the morrow: and he continued his speech until midnight.”

      The Apostles changed it to Sunday, because they were given authority to do so.

      John 14: 26 “But the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you.”

      John 16:12-13 “I have yet many things to say to you: but you cannot bear them now. But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will teach you all truth. For he shall not speak of himself; but what things soever he shall hear, he shall speak; and the things that are to come, he shall shew you.”

      “Romans 6 shows baptism is a memorial of Christ’s death, burial and resurrection, but for a church that sprinkles instead of immersion”

      Water is poured. Nowhere in Scripture says that the one being Baptized MUST be immersed. NOWHERE.

      1. “The harlot is sitting on “many waters,” but the waters are “peoples, multitudes, nations, tongues” in verse 15. Can we guess what church this is?”

      The harlot is the impostor catholc church started at the second vatican council.

      2. “She is in bed with kings (governments) verse 2. This church is so political, that it was behind the United Nations as a form of world government.”

      Jews/masons started the U.N. as they did the impostor church.

      3. “The pope will ride and guide the New World Order (imagery of verse 3) in the near future.”

      No he won’t. The current Pope is Benedict. He is so sick and frail looking. He isnt guiding anything anywhere.

      4.”‘Arrayed in purple and scarlet,” the color of cardinals, verse 4.”

      Yes, the impostor religion uses the same colors.

      5. ““Decked with gold and precious stones”—this is a wealthy church, verse 4.”

      Obviously they stole the Church’s money when they invaded. Plus, they added to it the money they steal world wide daily.

      6. ““Mother of Harlots,” a mother church of those that came from her, but they are harlots because they no longer protest her abominations.”

      In the jewish church of the second vatican council ALL religions are welcome (except Catholicism). It is the “mother”, because it embraces everything satanic.

      7. “She is sitting on seven hills—Rome.” Jerusalem sits on seven hills.

      “but putting the above clues together, they only fit the papacy as Babylon” On the contrary. It points to the jews.

      “…that include wars from the time of the Crusades against Islam…”

      Love islam do you? That great religion of peace.. :lol:

      “to the genocide of Protestant Tutsis in Africa as the UN bowed to the pope and ordered its troops to “stand down” and let the local government (Catholic) take care of business. The blood of a million is on John Paul II, UN and Clinton”

      Wake up. The jews orchestrate world events.

      “John F Kennedy’s opposition to serving his church’s war agenda in Vietnam got him killed.”

      *jewish war agenda.

      1Thessalonians 2:13-16 “Therefore, we also give thanks to God without ceasing: because, that when you had received of us the word of the hearing of God, you received it not as the word of men, but (as it is indeed) the word of God, who worketh in you that have believed. For you, brethren, are become followers of the churches of God which are in Judea, in Christ Jesus: for you also have suffered the same things from your own countrymen, even as they have from the Jews, Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and the prophets, and have persecuted us, and please not God, and are adversaries to all men; Prohibiting us to speak to the Gentiles, that they may be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath of God is come upon them to the end.”

      The jews: Adversaries to all men then and unto the end. So says holy Scripture.

      • Dr Richard Ruhling

        CTrent 33: Thank you for your significant effort to share or explain Catholic view. In the end, everyone will have to decide whether the Bible with its many clues is meaningful or meaningless, whether God intended BOTH Israelites in the Old Testament and Christians in the New, to be a priesthood of believers as Exod 19:5,6 and Rev 1:6 show, where we teach others but they should be like Bereans in Acts 11:17 to study and see if Scripture supports it, for He has given us the Holy Spirit to guide us to truth.

        When asked about the end of the world, Christ urged an understanding of the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel, Matt 24:3,15. We are also to “keep our heart with diligence” (Proverbs) which means to be careful what we want to believe. If we want to believe the Church is right when it is wrong, we can get things twisted to see it as well-meaning and just flawed with Jewish infiltrators.

        The four kingdoms in Daniel 2 and 7 were Babylon, Medo-Persia, Grecia and Rome, and out of the 4th beast came a little horn that Protestant reformers saw as the papacy, growing out of the Roman Empire as it fell. The Catholic Church has done all the things that Daniel 7:25 says with papal claim to the title, “Lord God the Pope,” martyring 50 million Protestants–add another million in Rwanda under John Paul II which the church apologized for, and “think to change times and laws.”

        The papacy boasts of abolishing the Sabbath and Jewish festivals, but the Sabbath came as a memorial of Creation when God rested on the 7th day, before any Jews. It was an appointed time (Gen 1:14; Lev 23:44 — mo’ed is the word. God says He changes not, Mal 3:6 and the Church boasts of the authority, NOT from Scripture, to change what Moses said NOT to change, Deut 4:2.

        You say the apostles were given the authority to change it, but they didn’t change it–the book of Acts has only ONE reference to the “first day” when Paul presched to midnight when he was leaving the next day, NO discussion of changing the day and the book of Acts has NINE references to “Sbbath”—THREE of them say “every Sabbath” Sunday is an phony as a $3 bill and so is the papal claim to forgive sins and offer salvation.

        The church came along centuries later (the “falling away” spoken of in 2Thess 2) to make the change under Constantine to unite pagan sun worshipers with apostate Christian who didn’t want anything that could resemble Jews who killed Christ when it was the Romans, Jews, you and I—our sins killed Him, but the papacy wants to blame Jews, get control of Jerusalem from the days when they mentored young Muhammad and when the Muslims reneged, there were the “Holy Wars” to take Jerusalem from the infidels.

        Alberto Rivera, who was a converted Jesuit, shows in his book, The Godfathers, how the Vatican strategized to cause WWI, WWII and now we have the UN as the perfect strategy for the pope to rule the world, but you say it’s the wrong pope.

        You might as well join the Protestants. Revelation 17 only fits the papacy—the church of Rome began in apostasy and has compounded its abominations through the centuries.

        • CTrent33

          “The Catholic Church has done all the things that Daniel 7:25 says with papal claim to the title, “Lord God the Pope””

          The Church does not teach that the Pope is Divine. The title “Lord God the Pope” is most likely a title slapped on by protestants. There is, however, Church teaching that the Pope is bound by Scripture and Apostolic Tradition. He cannot leave those bounds. If he does, formally, then he has placed himself outside of the Church. A Pope cannot do whatever he likes. Christ is the Head, not the Pope.

          “martyring 50 million Protestants”

          That number is grossly exaggerated. To protest against Christ’s Bride makes you an enemy of Christ. Heretics cannot be martyrs.

          “add another million in Rwanda under John Paul II”

          Again, that was a jewish started massacre and JPII was under jewish control.

          “You say the apostles were given the authority to change it, but they didn’t change it”

          Yes they did, otherwise they would not be meeting on the First day of the week (Sunday) to break bread. They would have been meeting on the last, your precious sabbath. Fact is, the sabbath and the rest of jewish old law (except the Commandments) is over:

          Colossians 2:16-17 “Let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or in respect of a festival day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths, Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.”

          The point of the old law was to prepare for the coming of Jesus. To adhere to old law, now, is to deny Jesus. The old law is a shadow, which is dark and empty. Continue to fumble around in the darkness if you wish, but you wont be going to Heaven.

          “The church came along centuries later…”

          The Papacy started when Christ gave the keys to St. Peter, the Catholic Church officially started at Pentecost.

          “(the “falling away” spoken of in 2Thess 2)…”

          The falling away is apostasy and it started with Martin Luther. Hardly anybody today is Catholic. We are now a remnant.

          “..under Constantine to unite pagan sun worshipers..”

          Constantine converted and abandon pagan ways. I can give a list of Popes from St. Peter to the present. Sorry to say it doesn’t start with Constantine. As a matter of fact, he isnt on list at all.

          “Alberto Rivera, who was a converted Jesuit, shows in his book..”

          Yes, yes. Some mason, no doubt, pretending to be Catholic, saw “the light.” And he just had to get the truth out there! :lol:

          “You might as well join the Protestants”

          Why is that? I adhere, by the Grace of God, to Catholic teaching. Traditional unchangeable doctrine. As long as God gives me strength, I will not abandon Him.

          “the church of Rome began in apostasy”

          Well, I feel sorry for the church of Rome, whatever that may be. I am not in the “church of Rome.” I am in the Catholic Church, the true Bride of Christ.

          • Dr Richard Ruhling

            ‘Council of Trent: You say the apostles changed the Sabbath to the first day, otherwise they would not be meeting on the First day of the week (Sunday)

            “First day” is found only ONCE in the book of Acts and Sabbath is found NINE times, THREE times it says every Sabbath. It’s a lie to say the apostles changed it when there is NO bibliical support and God says, “I change not” Mal 3:6.

            Colossians 2:16-17 “Let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or in respect of a festival day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths, Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ” IS POOR TRANSLATION with intent to deceive (?) because the italicize “is” was added by translators.

            Without “is” the text might read, Let no man therefore judge you…they are a shadow of things to come [and therefore important to observe] but the body of Christ [the local church can decide how to keep those times].

            Those times were appointed by God and include the time to execute judgment and if you aren’t watching (awake & praying) on the eve of His appointed time according to Christ’s clues in the book offered free yesterday in the above article, you may find your house broken as in Matt 24:43

      • Truthseeker

        Trent what a great way to negate the words of Jesus Christ. of course there are no scriptures backing up that lie.

        “Christ said to call no man ‘Father,’’

        All Catholic priests share in Christ’s Priesthood and are fathers through Him:

      • Daughter of the Church

        Good rebuke work CTrent33! you replied with diligence and patience to the rebels. However you made a grave mistake by calling Benedict “Pope”. Ratzinger was an impostor, as were Roncalli, Montini, Luciani, Voztila Katz, and is Bergoglio. There has been a series of 6 anti-Popes since after Pope Pius XII. How could you explain Vatican II if not having been allowed by usurpers, who are factually agents of the devil ?

        You know the intrigue which has occur during the conclave of 1958. Denial, however painful the situation may be, is showing weakness, and ultimately proving a lack of faith.
        You know the promise made by Jesus Christ to St. Peter, that the gates of hell will not prevail. Do you doubt God’s promise? There is a Pope to-day, who is unable to exercise his pontificate. Do you understand what the word “eclipse” means?

        I wonder if yourself, dear CTrent33 may not be an infiltrated agent promulgating the falsity that anti-Popes “fulfilled” the prophecies made for Popes of our day. Satan, the liar, God’s monkey is clever at having impostors of all kinds. I hope for your soul, that you are not a plant of disinformation.

    • Dr Richard Ruhling

      Crazy times, Truth seeker and others loving to cut, slash and burn others, I’m out of it–no interest in trying to argue what won’t be seen–this is like interfering in a dog fight and getting bitten, bye for now…

      • Crazy times

        Bye for now Doc tks for stopping by all the slashing and burning is needed to show who is who in the Zoo.

        Who are brethren wheat, and who are Tares, and who are Wolves

      • Truthseeker

        Doc I hate all lies, but I know the truth is not understood by the human mind, without “conversion” the truth can never be known.

        IF there are 50 that participate with us here on BIN then there are 60 or more different WAYs that are held as that ONE TRUE WAY. Folks are double minded; folks hate the Words of Jesus Christ and run to Paul. Christ is not divided – He showed us that One Way, a very narrow path.

        When Pointed out by scripture the Holy Spirit is given by the laying on of Hands – most do not have a clue, they think it comes by baptism or by some emotion that over comes them and many think it is only by speaking in tongues can one know if they have the spirit.

        And this confusion goes on and on from doctrine to doctrine as God wants it to be this way for now.

        I am still in the flesh and do not control myself as I should thus I get a little up set with folks like crazy.

        I have been on BIN for 5 or 6 years or more — maybe one or two have understood the scriptures I post —- most do not even attempt to refute.

        I know nothing I write will change your mind — so I will leave you as you are.

        But know this:: the anger between the different factions is set to explode. And in the end the Saints of God will be slain by “Christians”, so called.

        • Dr Richard Ruhling

          Hi Crazy Times, I had a good laugh at the slashing and burning to see who is the the Zoo, but God knows and will fort it out–like Truthseeker said–the anger between the different factions is set to explode. And in the end the Saints of God will be slain by “Christians”, so called. Let me invite you both to join me sometime soon for what I believe willl be a wise move with unconventional wisdom, that is like planting apricot trees whien everyone else is tearing theirs out to plant cherries for high prices in NYC.
          The New Covenant Promise for God to put His law in our hearts is essential or we would not be safe in heaven–we would lust after the first beautiful woman we saw, etc, but that promise is “latter day” (Jer 30:1 & previous verse) and says God is going to gather us the the land of the covenant, and take us from the land of the enemy (preivous chapter says He will make a “full end of all other nations” (Jer 30:11) and I plan to go to the land of the covenant when it will take faith — we laugh at Israel afraid to go to the Promised Land because of giants, but now there are giant problems again, but if Christians have learned anything, they should know God can take care of the giants, but we should wait till a decree to restore and build Jerusalem (Dan 9:25) AFTER its impending destruction by Iran (Zech 14:1,2) so our timing is biblical–please pray and think about it…see you later, I have to go somewhere…

        • Dr Richard Ruhling

          Hi Truthseeker, I had a good laugh at the slashing and burning to see who is the the Zoo, but God knows and will fort it out–like you said–the anger between the different factions is set to explode. And in the end the Saints of God will be slain by Christians, so called. Let me invite you both to join me sometime soon for what I believe will be a wise move with unconventional wisdom, that is like planting apricot trees when everyone else is tearing theirs out to plant cherries for high prices in NYC.
          The New Covenant Promise for God to put His law in our hearts is essential or we would not be safe in heaven–we would lust after the first beautiful woman we saw, etc, but that promise is “latter day” (Jer 30:1 & previous verse) and says God is going to gather us the the land of the covenant, and take us from the land of the enemy (previous chapter says He will make a “full end of all other nations” (Jer 30:11) and I plan to go to the land of the covenant when it will take faith — we laugh at Israel afraid to go to the Promised Land because of giants, but now there are giant problems again, but if Christians have learned anything, they should know God can take care of the giants, but we should wait till a decree to restore and build Jerusalem (Dan 9:25) AFTER its impending destruction by Iran (Zech 14:1,2) so our timing is biblical–please pray and think about it…see you later, I have to go somewhere…

          • Truthseeker

            Doc

            Here is something you may want to research — from God’s Word.

            You mentioned lusting after a women in heaven.

            While in the flesh here on earth there is a reason for physical males and females as God commands we multiply.

            If you will check we are promised to become “sons”. No mention of daughters. Yes now while in the flesh those called and chosen are sons and daughters of God.

            When Adam was made he had both the male and female natures in him as God made him in God’s image. God has both natures with the masculine as the dominate nature which is why men rule and not women and Why He is the Father.

            When God made Eve from Adam, God split the two natures between Adam and Eve.
            When they come together they are then ONE as God is ONE.

            Once “Born from above” into God’s Family there will be no more reproduction just as there is none among the angels. God the Father will have 200 billion or more Sons at the completion of salvation.

            they do not marry in God’s spirit Kingdom, besides we will already be married to Christ.

            When we are “born of God” at the resurrection, all be masculine but all will have both natures. God is balance.

            All the Saints will be born of God at the first resurrection and will rise from death with the same body, immortal spirit, as Jesus Christ and as HE IS GOD and we are raised with the same immortal spirit body as Jesus what does that tell you?

            One other point; if you study Jeremiah 31: 33 closely you will find God is putting into those HE calls His Divine Nature i.e. “hearts”, heart does not mean the organ that pumps blood it means our nature. We must have our carnal human natures removed and the Divine Holy Nature of God installed in its place.

            That is called the circumcision without hands.

            And If you will check the Hebrew word “Law” that is used in verse 31 and else where in the Old testament you will find that Hebrew Word IS TORAH.

            The Torah is the Divine Nature of God.

            Once we are born of God and have that divine nature we then will not be able to sin, ever

          • Truthseeker

            doc do you believe flesh and blood can inherit the kingdom?

            • Dr Richard Ruhling

              Hi Truthseeker, It’s after 11 PM and computer is working slow–please call me when you have a few minutes tomorrow and it’s easier to explain, 928 583 7543

            • Truthseeker

              Doc i would enjoy talking with you but let me find a way I can say anonymous, I will get back to you

        • Damien

          Sharia Seeker

          folks hate the Words of Jesus Christ and run to Paul

          ==========

          Exactly! You REJECT the Bible. You deport Christians from Judah for your apostate religions that came centuries AFTER Christianity.

    • Daughter of the Church

      The Protestants have rebelled against the Catholics for two main reasons: the Pope’s authority, the veneration for the Virgin Mary.

      All Popes since St. Peter have been given the sole authority over the Church of Jesus Christ. To deny this direct order from Our Lord and God is an act of rebellion similar to the one made by the followers of Lucifer. All if & but from whoever savant or exalted further their trampling upon the 1st Commandment.

      The present world situation: The position of influence of any Pope has always been the object of covetousness. This is why during Church’s history, there has been about 40 usurper “Popes” favorable to the political desires of princes. They are known as anti-Pope -who challenged the legitimate Pope. The Reformation movement was politically helped by those same princes who had prop-up the Middle-Age’s anti-Popes. To-day, since October 26, 1958, there has been a series of 6 anti-Popes who have been prop-up by the same princes of before. Those anti-Pope were (ab.) J23, P6, JP 1 & 2, B16 with the current F1. This is an unprecedented crisis, all the more than the authentic Popes (by the number of 2) have been unable to exercise their authority.
      What the world see, to the nasty delight of both the rebels and the princes, is the slow destruction of the Church of J.C. for the last 60 years.

      The Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of Christ, is not an object of “worship” from the Catholics. Whoever savant Protestant promotes, or allow this said calumny, commits a sin against the spirit of Truth. It is a hateful lie which will not be forgiven, since it is a sin against the Paraclete, the Holy Spirit, God.
      The Blessed Virgin Mary is an object of veneration, because, as she brought Christ on earth, she may bring us to Christ. We call on Holy Mary incessantly, for this reason. The Protestants who call on the Lord for the slightest needs may break the Commandment “Though shalt not call the Lord, Thy God in vain.”
      Why is the Blessed Virgin Mary so important? She is the Mother of Christ, and also she is our Mother. To lack respect to our Father and Mother is breaking the 4th Commandment and is a mortal sin.
      Why is it a must to love Holy Mary? because she suffered more than any creatures besides her divine Son.
      Lastly, Holy Mary is the highest model of virtue. She was without sin, by divine decree, and remained without sin, by her own will.

      • Dr Richard Ruhling

        Daughter of the Church,
        Peter had NO authority given him that was different from the other apostles and it wasn’t to be a pope and change the Bible..

        Christ said, “All ye are brethren.” Peter even denied his Lord. Christ used a DIFFERENT word for Peter and rock—petros or stone for Peter, petra or large rock for the confession Peter made that Christ was the Son of the God. Upon that rock or confession Christ built His church and there is NO line of papal succession from Peter who was, by the way, was married (Matt 8:14)

        Mary was not immaculately conceived nor did she fully understand Christ’s mission. She came with Christ’s brothers (sons of Joseph) to talk him into scaling back and was told they were outside wanting to talk.

        “But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.” Matt 12:48-50.

        Mary is dead in the grave as all who await the resurrection at His 2nd coming, 1Thess 4:16. No one is in purgatory, was word made up by an apostate church to get money for praying people to heaven—it is no wonder that Bible uses the imagery of a harlot to represent the church of Rome, 7 hills, and the pedophilia and financial corruption of the Vatican Bank is allowed for the world to see its baloney before the New World Order is set up and with the pope behind the scenes, the world will be forced to go along with a false system.

        God doesn’t use force—Christ died to give us freedom of choice, but Rome seeks to force all to accept her dogma and comply. Rome has conquered the US, but it cannot conquer the spirit of true Christians and there will again be many martyrs before Christ comes and casts the beast to the burning flame—the one that has “great words” of blasphemy in Dan 7:11.—the one that grew out of the pagan Roman Empire.

        The Bible is clear–that’s why Francis said it was a dangerous book (the Church will lose control when people become enlightened) I spent a summer in Colombia & Venezuela (1960) and a third of the people couldn’t read or write, but high above every village was a fancy cathedral as people were kept in bondage to pay the church for salvation.

        Christ died to make salvation a free gift to all who believe. The church has corrupted it and those who participate in the deception will be held accountable. Here is a link to a chapter in a book that Jesuits have read and hate because more than most, it unmasks the lies. If you like it, keep reading… http://www.whiteestate.org/books/gc/gc3.html

        • CTrent33

          “Peter had NO authority given him that was different from the other apostles”

          Matthew 16:18-19 “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”

          “…Peter who was, by the way, was married (Matt 8:14)”

          Matthew 19:27-29 “Then Peter answering, said to him: Behold we have left all things, and have followed thee: what therefore shall we have? And Jesus said to them: Amen, I say to you, that you, who have followed me, in the regeneration, when the Son of man shall sit on the seat of his majesty, you also shall sit on twelve seats judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands for my name’ s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall possess life everlasting.”

          “Mary was not immaculately conceived”

          Yes, She was. It’s a part of Apostolic Tradition.

          “She came with Christ’s brothers (sons of Joseph)”

          Tell me why did Jesus tell St. John to take care of His Mother, when it would be the duty for her children to do so? It’s because Jesus wah Mary’s only Child. Jesus’ “brethren where his cousins. Both Mary and Joseph made vows of virginity. In the case of Mary, it is plain in Scripture. She asked the Angel, ” How shall this be done, because I know not man?.” If She planned on having children this would not be a question. She didn’t plan on it, because She made the vow of virginity.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1LxJW7b_Yc

          “Mary is dead in the grave”

          Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death. But the grace of God, life everlasting, in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

          Luke 1: 28 “And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.”

          The dead ones are in hell.

          ““But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.” Matt 12:48-50.”

          “”Who is my mother?”: This was not spoken by way of slighting his mother, but to shew that we are never to suffer ourselves to be taken from the service of God, by any inordinate affection to our earthly parents: and that which our Lord chiefly regarded in his mother, was her doing the will of his Father in heaven. It may also further allude to the reprobation of the Jews, his carnal kindred, and the election of the Gentiles.” — Douay Rheims Bible.

          Luke 1:41-43 “And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the infant leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me
          ?”

          “The Bible is clear–that’s why Francis said it was a dangerous book”

          “Francis” is a jew controlled anti-pope.

          “but high above every village was a fancy cathedral”

          Catholic Cathedrals are houses of God. The Most High deserves such houses, not dilapidated shacks.

          • Dr Richard Ruhling

            Trent: Re Matt 16:18, Christ called Peter petros, a word that means stone, but upon the rock ( petra) of his confession that Christ was the Son of God, He would build His church. Peter was no better than John who didn’t deny Christ and was with Him through the trial and at the cross when Peter had fled.

            You have a mountain of tradition not supported or found in the Bible. God didn’t want His truth to be so flimsy and changeable by every priest or scribe that might embellish the record, like Matt 12:40 which would mean Christ didn’t die on Friday if He rose Sunday.

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