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Pope Declares “God Is Not a Divine Being…”? God and Darwin Unite

Sunday, March 11, 2018 8:18
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There are no more feverishly contested topics of discussion than those of Science and Scripture.  They are truly the powder kegs of modern-day debate.  The relativism of theology verse science.  The most preeminent being that of Creation verse Evolution.

It is an ideological verse scientific battle of David and Goliath or, in this case, Darwin verse God.  Is the Earth 6000 years old or 4.5 billion (give or take a few 100 million one way or the other).  This is the land of Biblical literalism verse Biblical hermeneutics or non-literalism.

The bell rings…’NOW FIGHTING IN THIS CORNER’ (the announcer screams)…in the green trunks…On the Origin of Species!!…and now entering the ring…in the white trunks…the champion of the ages, the highest of high…ttttthhhhhheeeee…Holy Bible!!..(the crowd cheers as the opponents circle each other in the center of the ring).

A simple match up…said no one ever…in no way, shape or form.  Both, even in themselves and their proverbial ‘circles of influence’ they are not met with 100% of the same interpretation, fact or findings.  I will tread lightly for now, but dig much deeper into specifics in articles to follow.

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Let’s begin with a simple 101 on the argument. As we are all very well aware, Charles Darwin published “On the Origin of Species” on November 24th, 1859.  The three primary concepts (yes, these are WAY over simplified) of his theory are:

  1.  Life Evolved From One Or At Most A Few Living Things – Here is the fuel that really ignites the fire of debate as you will read below.
  2. Natural Selection – Organisms better suited to the environment they live in tend to survive and produce offspring that carry that ‘stronger’ trait, and so on and so forth a species continues to ‘evolve’ into what it is today.
  3. The World Is Old – Darwin did not attempt to date the Earth just declare it was older than originally declared – much older than the ‘young earth’ theory of 6000 years prominent (though not exclusive) in his day.

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Now let’s summarize the history of creation in the Bible – Genesis Book 1.  This summary was found in the article The Creation Story – Bible Story Summary:

  • Day 1 - God created light and separated the light from the darkness, calling light “day” and darkness “night.”
  • Day 2 - God created an expanse to separate the waters and called it “sky.”
  • Day 3 - God created the dry ground and gathered the waters, calling the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters “seas.” On day three, God also created vegetation (plants and trees).
  • Day 4 - God created the sun, moon, and the stars to give light to the earth and to govern and separate the day and the night. These would also serve as signs to mark seasons, days, and years.
  • Day 5 - God created every living creature of the seas and every winged bird, blessing them to multiply and fill the waters and the sky with life.
  • Day 6 - God created the animals to fill the earth. On day six, God also created man and woman (Adam and Eve) in his own image to commune with him. He blessed them and gave them every creature and the whole earth to rule over, care for, and cultivate.
  • Day 7 - God had finished his work of creation and so he rested on the seventh day, blessing it and making it holy.

Basically billions of years verse 7 days of Creation and a theory that could destroy the foundation of an entire religion / religions.  Can’t see why this is so hotly contested? The debate still goes deeper however, and there are a few subplots to this story.

The first and most notable subplot begins with some Christian’s belief that the bible’s book of Genesis provides only for a ‘Young Earth’, that in which the Earth is only about 6000 years old. This is a number they derived as a literal interpretation of the biblical text stemming from chrono-genealogies of ages of named father’s at the time of their son’s or sons’ birth.  The Young Earth theory allows for no acceptance of Darwin’s theory.  It must completely dismiss it.  Why? For Darwin’s Evolution to occur, or many other theories of evolution, a much greater amount of time is needed.  Again, a gross oversimplification but necessary to assure we can get through the basics of the topic.

In opposition to the ‘Young Earth’ theory, there is an opposing interpretation now held by many that leaves room for a much older Earth, ‘Old Earth’.  In comes Biblical hermeneutics or non-literalism and you can find the path that says basically the 7 days outlined in Genesis does not represent ‘actual’ 24 hour days as we identify them today.   Over simplifying to say the least but nonetheless the basis of the theory.

There is also the subplot in the Darwinism story line.  This is Darwinism verse Lamarckism, Mutation and Synthetic theories of evolution.  Oh, did I happen to mention the variants of Microevolution and Macroevolution…confused yet?  Don’t be, just know that Young Earth advocates will accept Microevolution but not Macroevolution…of course so will Old Earth advocates; aggravated yet. At points in time in my research, I wondered myself why I even was attempting to deepen my knowledge.  The question was easily answered however, as it impacted the very fabric of my being and my understanding of my existence.  But, back to our story. Macroevolution, referring to a series of mutation,  migration, genetic drift, and natural selection above the species level over a period of let’s say…3.8 billion years.  Huh?…picture time!!!

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These evolutionary theories in their entirety are stories for another day but it would be helpful to pick one.  So for the sake of this article we will highlight Mutation…well, right after you see the chart below that shows you are not alone if you are somewhat undecided.

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Based on a 2014 Pew Research Center Survey, many, most like you, are not 100% decided (as a religion) which theory is accurate.  Also not exactly sure how, for example, you can subscribe to believe in Evolution purely ‘Due to Natural Processes’ and still be categorized as Christian or Catholic.

So we have divided religious communities and what you will see below is also a divided scientific community, as referenced above.

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So back to the Mutation theory in opposition to Darwin’s theory of Evolution.  Once again, this is just one of the opposing theories; I am not here as an advocate to its accuracy, rather just documenting it’s existence for the sake of this discussion.  In the article Mutation, Not Natural Selection, Drives Evolution is presented the theory of Masatoshi Nei, that has quickly gained traction in the scientific community as a viable opposing viewpoint to Darwin’s theory of evolution.

“Every part of our body is controlled by molecules, so you have to explain on a molecular level. That is the real mechanism of evolution, how molecules change. They change through mutation. Mutation means a change in DNA through, for example, substitution or insertion [of nucleotides]. First you have to have change, and then natural selection may operate or may not operate. I say mutation is the most important, driving force of evolution. Natural selection occurs sometimes, of course, because some types of variations are better than others, but mutation created the different types. Natural selection is secondary.”

So, can there be a peaceful coexistence between Science and Scripture, a proverbial meeting ground of agreement?  Yes, but something has to give one way or the other, and it appears even important religious figures are budging towards exactly that.

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In Christianity and Catholicism the ‘Young Earth’ theory was held to be fact, or was it.  Well, not according to Pope Francis or Popes before him.  To be more specific, and as stated in Sorry, But Media Coverage of Pope Francis is Papal Bull, Pope Francis said the following incendiary statement that put the Catholic community into a frenzy over its apparent dismissal of God as divine being. He does state, in his viewpoint, Evolution and Creationism are not inconsistent with one another:

“Evolving Topics of Nature,” and he affirmed what Catholic teaching has been for decades. “God is not a divine being or a magician, but the Creator who brought everything to life,” he said. “Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve.”

In the same article was also cited:

Pope Pius XII wrote an encyclical “Humani Generis” in 1950 affirming that there was no conflict between evolution and Catholic faith.

It doesn’t seem to matter that Pope Benedict XVI called the debate between evolution an creation an “absurdity” in 2007.

Well that’s the Catholic Church, what about Christian leaders?  Let’s take the now departed but long prominent Christian Evangelist Billy Graham.  Although he does not directly state he believes in Evolution he does state there is no conflict between today’s science and scripture.  He goes on to say he believes in the story of Creation, however it matters not if man came by evolution or creation; in either case God created man.

“I don’t think that there’s any conflict at all between science today and the scriptures. I think that we have misinterpreted the Scriptures many times and we’ve tried to make the Scriptures say things they weren’t meant to say, I think that we have made a mistake by thinking the Bible is a scientific book. The Bible is not a book of science. The Bible is a book of Redemption, and of course I accept the Creation story. I believe that God did create the universe. I believe that God created man, and whether it came by an evolutionary process and at a certain point He took this person or being and made him a living soul or not, does not change the fact that God did create man. … whichever way God did it makes no difference as to what man is and man’s relationship to God.” Billy Graham: Personal Thoughts of a Public Man, 1997. p. 72-74

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So the decision is up to you. Do you subscribe to Biblical literalism or Biblical hermeneutics or non-literalism?   Biblical hermeneutics or non-literalism and Old Earth allows room for both the belief in scripture and belief in Evolution (as it pertains to certain theories) and the Bible to co-exist.  Biblical literalism and a Young Earth would not allow for Darwinism or most theories of Evolution.

The scientific evidence for certain theories of evolution is overwhelming, the scientific evidence for an earth that is billions of years old is overwhelming but yet there is a lack of scientific evidence in regards to certain portions of evolution in many of the theories.  We haven’t even discussed the fossil record and / or carbon-14 or radiometric dating; evidence or accuracy.

I think it extremely important we explore this overall topic to a much deeper level and with an open mind, to truly understand how each interpretation impacts our existence, our societies and our everyday lives.   This could truly lead to a new awakening and a deeper consciousness of the world that surrounds us.  We are a work of art and there is no denying so is our Earth and Universe.

I leave you with two quotes; one from Darwin and one from Scripture, to illustrate the contradictory nature of the topic we have just discussed.  It is, as always, for you to make the decision on how you will combine your faith and your knowledge of science to choose your own understanding and acceptance of your existence.

Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself, who frustrates the signs of liars and makes fools of diviners, who turns wise men back and makes their knowledge foolish, - Isaiah 44:24-25 ESV / 87

“Science has nothing to do with Christ, except insofar as the habit of scientific research makes a man cautious in admitting evidence. For myself, I do not believe that there ever has been any revelation. As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities.” – Charles Darwin

There will be many stories to follow.

We must stay awake, be aware, think with an open mind and be vigilant in the defense of our rights, our freedoms, our existence and our protection of humanity.

Justus

 

 

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  • Anonymous

    Wow.

    • MyTwoCents

      Are you Wowing the article or the comments? Or the article and the comments? lol

      • 2QIK4U

        Well there were no comments when he wrote it so what do you think? WoW!

  • Pink Slime

    The Pope is saying you can believe in two things. Creation or Evolution. But the Bible DOES not allow for that. Funny, the Pope don’t like to mention that. You must choose….

    And the very first verse of the Bible tells you the earth and the heavens were created by Yahuah, but then it mysteriously “became” chaotic. Since we know Yahuah does not create things in choas, something else made it that way.

    The Bible speaks of a GREAT WAR occurring in the heavens. A rebellion of HUGE proportions which involved one TURD of beings called Angels before man was created. It does not say when or how long it occurred. It could of been one year to billions of years….. :twisted:

    • Damien

      The Bible does not say anything of the sort.

      • Pink Slime

        Did you read the Bible? :cool:

        • Damien

          Of course. The Church has NEVER considered the Bible to be contradicted by the evolution anymore than it is by gravity. Faith ORBITS

          FINAL

          ‘CAUSES’.

          That is why it is faith.

          I WILL BE THAT I WILL BE

          YHWH

          • Pink Slime

            LOL! :lol:

            Too much funny guyz on BIN this morning.

          • Everette

            You mean I AM that I AM YHVH No W in Hebrew , the catholic church like Revelation tells us has changed times , seasons and laws . There is no J in Hebrew . The catholic church changed that too . It is Actully YESHUA not Jesus . They bragged the name Jesus was one of their greatest creations . In their stupidity they though changing GOD’s name and YESHUA’s name they could stop the power if YHVH from healing people because HE would not honor any other name .YHVH GOD is Devine and knows the hearts of all men and women . And as far as eveloution which came first the chicken or the egg ? In Genesis we are told everything will produce after its ( Kind ) . Does that not mean a black cow can not have a white and black cow ? After its kind meaning cows not mutation of colors or frames . When checked its DNA is still a cow . When the fallen angels began corrupting GOD’s creation of fish , animals , birds and mankind , GOD destroyed life on planet earth with a flood . When after the flood the fallen angels began again with their corruption ( the Bible says so ) , GOD told Israel to wipe out both mankind and animals in certain locations , let nothing live . Other places they just conquered the places . YESHUA TOLD His disciples that in the later days it would be like the days of Noah , giants , corrupt birds , fish , animals and mankind . Our soldiers in Afghanistan encountered a 15ft giant . GOD even states that HE has reserved the giants for the last days . This corruption of fallen angels in tge last days would lead to what the Bible calls the beast that will rule earth for 3 1/2 years . Why the beast ? Will this bastard of a corrupt being housing the devil be half animal half man like pictured among Egyptians and Babylons ? Maybe ! Everything existing is so complicated and delicate in structure that accidents could never and will never produce so complex forms of life as we are or as animal , fish , and birds are . Like the Bible states GOD created everything after its kind and told them go create after your kind . We do not have pig birds , but we do have H1N1 created in labs to depopulate planet earth and create money for big pharma and doctors . Illnesses from the combined mutated viruses created in a lab to do their work for them . No wonder YESHUA said Wow to you doctors and lawyers . Any corruption you are now seeing on planet earth is from fallen angels and demons that are back for things happening to prove we are living in the last days . They will be cast to earth very soon and confined here as Revelation 12 states to be held till judgement takes place for their corruption they have committed against mankind , planet earth and GOD ALMIGHTY YHVH !!! And as far as the popes opinion , damn his opinion . GOD has already foretold of his damnation that is coming . He is an off spring of Esau the Edomite luciferian whom the Bible states GOD hates and will totally destroy them . They will introduce the world to their father lucifer in the beast body 666 soon to come . Things I have read say the vatican already has a beast creature running around within it’s walls . I don’t know , but I don’t doubt it either .

          • Anonymous

            I thought it was Popeye that said this. :cool:

    • dakota

      There is no pope. He is an imposter;actor.

  • Damien

    The Church HAS ALWAYS stated that it DOES NOT oppose evoloution.

    They studied it when it appeared and almost immediately said …”Fine”.

    • Jango

      It does not matter what the church or the pope says. What matters is what God says. You can either believe the scientific view or the Biblical view. They are NOT compatable at all. You can read about the Biblical explanation of the origin of the earth and of evolution here if you have never been exposed to it. http://www.itshisstory.com

      • Damien

        Apart from the fact that evolutionists have not been able to give the slightest scientific proof that
        life can be generated from lifeless matter, they have also not been able to provide even a
        theoretical explanation.

        =========================

        In Christianity and Catholicism the ‘Young Earth’ theory was held to be fact, or was it. Well, not according to Pope Francis or Popes before him. To be more specific, and as stated in Sorry, But Media Coverage of Pope Francis is Papal Bull, Pope Francis said the following incendiary statement that put the Catholic community into a frenzy over its apparent dismissal of God as divine being. He does state, in his viewpoint, Evolution and Creationism are not inconsistent with one another:

        “Evolving Topics of Nature,” and he affirmed what Catholic teaching has been for decades. “God is not a divine being or a magician, but the Creator who brought everything to life,” he said. “Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve.”

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        The Pope is saying the the things that are evolving (by free will amongst other things) were created.

        • Damien

          You CAN be a CREATIONIST (something was CREATED)

          AND

          an evolution observer.

          • Damien

            PArents create a child and the child uses EVOLUTION (by Free Will) to produce grandchildren and great grandchildren (or not).

          • Damien

            The ‘GOD IS NOT A DIVINE BEING’ bit was just a mistranslation

            Was Pope Francis misquoted when he said “God is not a divine being or a magician, but the creator who brought everything to life”?

            Joshua Engel

            Well… yeah.

            Of necessity, it was translated for Americans. Francis spoke in Italian. And what he actually said was:

            E così la creazione è andata avanti per secoli e secoli, millenni e millenni finché è diventata quella che conosciamo oggi, proprio perché Dio non è un demiurgo o un mago, ma il Creatore che dà l’essere a tutti gli enti.

            From an Italian-language newspaper (“Il big bang non contraddice la creazione”)

            Which Google translates as:

            Thus, the creation has been going on for centuries, millennia and millennia until it became what we know today, because God is not a creator [second choice translation: demiurge] or a wizard, but the Creator who gives being to all entities.

            “Divine being” is not a particularly good translation. “Creator” is obviously not good, either, since it contradicts Creatore later in the sentence, though it is at least a literal translation of the Italian. “Demiurge” is better, since it’s the meaning Francis intended, a Platonic idea of a subordinate creator who is explicitly not the montheistic deity. It is a divine being, but it’s stupid to translate it as “divine being” in the same way that it would be stupid to translate “Josh is not a banana” as “Josh is not made of matter” just because bananas are, in fact, made of matter.

            In other words: apparently #ihatesciencewriters applies beyond just science writers. It seems that journalists of all stripes are prone to writing obtuse bullshit for clicks.

          • Damien

            Copy and Paste the Italian into Google Translator and you will get this:

            “And so creation has been going on for centuries, millennia and millennia until it has become what we know today, precisely because God is not a demiurge or a magician, but the Creator who gives being to all entities.”

  • stevekando

    The Pope is no more qualified to express an opinion regarding what God is than you or I.

  • Anonymous

    I could almost believe in evolution, if Pope Francis or the number of missing links on BIN are any measure.

  • holeshot

    All this drivel from the mouth of a radical Communist, left wing proponent of Liberation Theology, who forced out the previous Pontiff with threats and intimidation, and who protects pedophiles and the ill gotten wealth of the Church. The same Pope who wants us all to open our borders, yet lives in a highly restricted walled city. Jesus needs to return and once again clean out the Temple as he did before. Karma will be sure to visit this phony.

  • Andy

    “The most preeminent being that of Creation verse Evolution.”

    this is only an issue in the ‘minds’ of the ignorant – for evolution we have 5 different fields of science and untold quantities of data verifying its’ veracity and for creation we have zero evidence at all, just the erroneous conclusions of the ignorant

    *the universe was not created, but has always existed*
    the first law of thermodynamics:
    *no matter nor energy can be created nor destroyed, only its form can be altered* – this is immutable, universal LAW, proven 100% accurate, 100% of the time, for 100% of the observable universe, both micro & macro & without exception

    *no matter nor energy can be created* – seeing the universe is made of matter & energy, it quite simply cannot have been created, it has always existed, only its form has altered

    *only its form can be altered* – the Big Bang cannot have been the point of creation, only a point of “alteration of form” in accordance with UNIVERSAL LAW and there is ZERO evidence to the contrary

    *the universe was not created, but has always existed* – there can be no creator, for that which was not created

    and no Mayhem, it is not an incomplete argument, you’re just incapable of comprehending the second law of thermodynamics (entropy) – in a universe where no matter nor energy can be created nor destroyed, existing matter/energy must be recycled for new things to grow, entropy is one part of that equation (order to chaos) and LIFE is the opposite (builds the most highly complex biological structures from chaos)

    Entropy is nothing more than natures’ recycling system, it does not negate the first law, it actually complements it

    • Hi NSA, kiss my artichoke

      If energy cannot be destroyed, consumed… Why are you paying an electric bill? Think about it. :wink:

    • Everette

      Ever hear of the GOD particl ? The greatest minds on planet earth are now bombarding particles in Cern trying to see how GOD created the universes and all that exists in it ! They have found the GOD partical . They have admitted that everything is to finely tuned that it would have to have a super being structuring or creating what exists that was put in motion or action . The complexity is so awsome that it could never have happened by accident . Everything on a microscopic level tells them that like a watch with all its gears or computer chips it has to have had a creator that put together the pieces that work in harmony together with such perfect tuning as they do . But yet they fail to address who this super being is ! So smart yet so stupid ! No common sense ! Those who don’t know HE is called in Hebrew YHVH . Not YHWH or JHWH OR JHVH it is YHVH . There is no W or J in Hebrew ! But the catholic church wants you miss pronouncing GOD’s name in hopes that HE will not answer your prayers because of using the wrong name . The Esau Edomites vatican luciferian batzi NWO have their damnation coming up very soon for them . But GOD knows your heart and can tell if it is being true or evil . HE looks at your true intent and decides from there how or what to do for you . HE knows if you are thinking on the GOD of the universe while praying or some statue object that has no power for you . Now fallen angels can answer your prayers also . Here we go with the heart intent again .

    • Damien

      Andy

      How does entropy recycle

  • jdpent01

    IF DARWINISM and Creation are the same, then they make a liar out of God who said he created all things, this is a direct saying, IT WAS not by accident or happenstance that the world is, or that Man is here on it with animals fowl, beast sea creatures and crawling things. each was made after its own kind trees, plants of every kind,because of Sin thistles and weeds and death were added. as mans punishment. If every one were like Enoch who walked with God our problems would be solved. Man though being in the Image of God did not and does not walk with God but himself looking to other created beings for guidance instead of God. And thus they invalidate the words of Jesus who said all things visible or invisible were created for me or by me. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: COL:1/16 kjv. The Catholic church now bridging creation with Darwinism, makes a false untrue statement because it nullifies the Word of God and God can’t lie, so the Pope is swaying the Christian minds to accept false concept.You only looked at Molecular concept not intelligent design coupled with a breath of life. CLONES DON’T HAVE A BREATH OF LIFE, NOT OF GOD, JUST HOMEMADE ZOMBIES . Only God can create and destroy, fear the one who can destroy your soul.

  • CTrent33

    “Pope Pius XII wrote an encyclical “Humani Generis” in 1950 affirming that there was no conflict between evolution and Catholic faith.”

    I skimmed through the encyclical and it sounds pretty anti evolution to me. Kindly point out where in the encyclical it says that evolution is a ok. JPII and Benedict XVI were and are material heretics and “francis” is an outright ant-pope.

    The theory of evolution is against Scripture and thus against the Catholic Faith.

  • The Watcher

    NO RELIGION IS REQUIRED! THERE IS NO HELL OR SATAN! 80% OF THE BIBLE IS FALSE! THERE IS NO JUDGEMENT! EVERYBODY GOES TO HEAVEN TO BE WITH GOD! EVEN LUCIFER IS IN HEAVEN! THERE WILL BE NO RAPTURE! TIBERIUS JULIUS ABDES PANTERA WAS THE FATHER OF THE BASTARD JESUS BY RAPING AN UNDERAGE MARY! IF WE END ALL LIFE ON EARTH, GOD OR JESUS WILL NOT STOP IT! WE TAKE WHAT WE CREATE!

    • Everette

      Mr.watcher , you are not one of the fallen angels who screwed GOD’s creatures that ended up corrupting GOD’s DNA are you ? Which in turn forced HIM to destroy life with a flood of water to start all over again . The Bible has fore told 1000′s of years ago of things that will begin to happen in the last days that will happen in succession one after another . Well guess what we are here . And to prove my point the nuclear power plant in Japan that is still pumping out radiation everyday from the time is was ruptured will by what scientist say , kill (everything) on planet earth within 70 years from the time it started in 2011, EVERYTHING with life will be dead ! That means at 70 years the last thing will finally die if not before . It will Probably be a cock roach because they can with stand radiation but all their food will have died before them allowing them to starve to death . Planet earth is headed to become a dead zone or another rock in space . But before that many people will begin dying of cancer and other disorders . Kind of like whats taking place now . So yes we are in the last days . Jesus made this statement that GOD would have to shorten the time period or there would be No Flesh Saved . Have you got your ticket to Mars yet ? The elite are already making plans to leave you ! So the Bible today proving itself over and over tells me some great BEING looked into the future and fore saw our destruction coming and had HIS prophets write down what evens would begin to take place . This BEING Also stated that there was a lake of fire created for the devil and his angels and the false prophet and the beast (666) . And that all who would worship this bastard creature the beast would have their parts in the lake of fire with them . You can keep telling yourself all you want that it’s not real , but it does not change the truth of what it real !

  • Rockledge

    This is all bullshit.
    Science is nothing more than a very weak and incapable creature trying to explain to himself how the Creator built everything.

    And I still don’t see where the Pope said God is not divine.

  • OBSERVER

    If the Pope said that he is not a true believer and is failing his job to instill faith and hold the flock of believers together and expand the Christian consciousness, it may be his will in the face of adversity personal and from the world has him doubting, furthermore he does not understand that God is in everything and permeates all, coalescing everywhere and anywhere at will, divine intelligent consciousness not of flesh. The pope is not perceived by God as necessary to see him, the Pope is supposed to believe by faith alone, only persons with intended or anticipated purpose might and only might see him for some expectation or surprise of God, not by whim or by needing evidence for the importance by earthly standards of the person. Furthermore God does not want his creation mankind to see him for he is to some fearsome and could cause people to fall dead from fright and God wants believers in him to seek God through Jesus the Christ. Have no doubt that the superior personage of God whom made man in his own image exists and do not fail to pray to Jesus for God has left to Jesus all responsibility of prayers from believers to Jesus, because Jesus loves us no matter what, whereas God too loves us all through Jesus however God has severe issues with mankind he leaves those affairs to Jesus. God by positing Jesus in his place guarantees believers to enter Jesus’s house only, not God’s house though they are one in the same. God by having Jesus invited us. The Universe is God, the energy within is Gods consciousness. His life spans eternity. What man can say what came before matter except the consciousness of God. What came before all matter and energy, question not but have faith the beginning of all was God’s consciousness, the act of being that conceived by consciousness all that is.

  • Roaring Sheep

    Once upon a time.. long long ago in a far off land.. the world was desolate and waste.. no life existed.. the air was thick with dust and smoke.. dark gloom was all around.. somewhere a puddle of water with all kinds of natural chemicals was festering..

    ###FLASH ###BOOM ### it was hit by lightning… miraculously the first cell came into existence.. complete with DNA and Transcription RNA allowing it to split and start replication.. amazingly this first cell contained all the information needed to develop into Animals.. Birds Trees Insects plants and vegetation of unlimited quantity and variety.. where did the information come from. Sure.. maybe a blank book could somehow appear from nowhere.. but when that book is filled with complex equations and formula for life.. i have many questions.
    So.. those of you who believe in the million year swamp theory I ask.. Where was this puddle of water? where is it now? who has ever seen it? what?? NO ONE? Oh.. you mean like no one has seen God.. so he must not exist? It takes way more faith to believe the Puddle Theory than to believe in an all wise Creator.. and we haven’t started on the origins of the Universe yet.. what Puddle did that form in??

  • wunmansho

    God is a problem solver. He may well be the most divine being ANYWHERE. HE might the most divine being that’s ever existed. He is exactly what he says he is. Unchanging. And certainly the purest definition of what is good. There is a place where the inclinations we think are only figments in our minds actually have form. This why God says He IS light. This is why He says He is Love. Without Him this things would not exist as they do. These things which we see play out only in our souls have tangible distinct form. They are specific THINGS. There is darkness. It IS a very specific set of things. God IS what darkness is not.

  • Enki

    NO… Adam and Eve were created only in Genesis 2. Big difference as they were the first Blue Eyed people, ie. the royal family or Elohim. They are the Israelites and Yahudim! I am their King.

  • Man

    Look at all the flat earthers.. I mean Creationist Christians!

    You have hamfisted together Cosmology with Evolution and Abiogenesis and called that Evolution.

    Evolution deals only with changes over time. Go study basic science classes

    Secondly, even if Evolution failed in every sense, It doesn’t prove Creationism right. It needs to demonstrate that.
    It doesn’t even lead to a Christian God.

    You Have Muslims claiming Creationism and stating Allah Did it.

    So that is why most creationist accept Evolution because it doesn’t deal with Evolution.

    • Man

      I meant to say with that last sentence:

      That is why Christians accept evolution because it doesn’t deal with the existence of god

      • Mayhem

        You’re right, Man, the failure doesn’t prove God but it does show that evolution is just as faith based as believing in creation.

        Irreducible complexity, on the other hand, certainly proves intelligent design and the 2nd law of thermodynamics backs the argument up 100% so how much proof do you need?

        Only weak christians embrace evolution and a flat earth.

        Anyway you’re confusing evolution with natural selection which doesn’t require eons of time given, for example, one generation is all it takes to make mules.

        • Man

          No, it shows that people don’t know basic high school biology. It has been proven in courts and through various, noumerous, peer reviewed scientific papers.

          Irreducible complexity is a biological version of the watchmaker argument. There is no definition of complexity and thus every living thing is complex.

          And the second law of thermodynamics has deals with energy balances in closed systems. That has nothing to do with biology.

          Evolution and Natural selection is the same thing. The only difference is time and the amount of selections that is happening.

          when the chimps’ chromosone 2 got fused.. I guess that is natural selection, because that is how humans were made.

          • CTrent33

            :roll:

          • Mayhem

            What has been proven in court, Man, and what scientific papers are you referring to? I’d be interested in reviewing anything you deem pertinent.

            While you scratch about for the evidence i’ve requested please consider the following…

            https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/saving-science

            … written by no less than ASU’s Prof. Daniel Sarewitz…

            https://www.thenewatlantis.com/authors/daniel-sarewitz

            … whose credentials rather surpass anything you or i might have to say on the matter.

            Irreducible complexity serves only to reveal the chances that life could spontaneously erupt amidst the immutable trend to entropy (2nd law of thermodynamics) and the probability is calculated well above the 50 zero’s that statisticians deem absolute. By the way you’re thinking of the 1st law not the 2nd.

            Evolution must needs be involve speciation. Darwin admitted as much in his seminal work on the origin of “species”, get it? Natural selection always, always, involves a loss of genetic information (conforming with the 2nd law of thermodynamics) and there are no examples that this is not so in all of biology.

            Darwin allowed for the lack of transitional fossils and hoped that advances in biology/archaeology might one day fill in the gaps in his theory. That day hasn’t yet arrived and here we are 150 odd years further down the road. Darwin also admitted his theory could not explain the eyeball due to irreducible complexity although he didn’t use that term.

            Biology does not claim we are descended from chimps, or any other known primate for that matter, but rather we share a common ancestor. Biology is wrong about that and we can get into it if you so desire.

            Come now, Man, even Richard Dawkins admits to intelligent design…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoncJBrrdQ8

            … so why can’t you?

  • Anonymous

    Evolution “theory” was the first global warming hoax/lie. Please read ” Undeniable” a book BURIED in alternate religions section Barnes&Noble. The detail and actual PROOF of the impossibility of evolution is found there. Speciation does occur, and these variations are well within the “types” of creatures saved after the flood. Burial in mud where lower life forms die out first then high forms escaping the flood waters provide an accurate timeline not of evolution but of the Flood. As an airline pilot, I have seen the scars of the flood world wide from a 7 mile high vantage point. The book Undeniable is NOT a religious book but a true scientific research “purposely” buried away from general observation.
    We are created beings, evolution is an impossibility. the NWO had its start there.

  • Babouche

    Because the gods who created mankind are evolved ETs, even the Bible speaks about the gods (plural) you can read it.
    This will be disclosed soon, the pope is preparing the believers to the naked truth.

    :shock: :shock: :shock:

  • friends2you

    This is just a thought, lets say evolution and creation can both be right to some degree. We have two conflicting ages of earth, one 6 or 7000 years old and the other millions of years old or older. We have an area in our solar system with an asteroid belt that once contained another planet. This planet was hit by a large object and created the belt along with large chunks of the previous planet. The objects were displaced and settled in the habitual zone of our Sun. The previous planet was very old say millions or billions of years old and when displaced it took a few thousand years to reform into the planet we now reside on. In this case both the biblical account and science can have truth in what they say.

    Now for evolution from a tiny single cell in the sea to humans is a stretch at best due to the little amount of evidence to support such a theory. A fish stays a fish, a lizard stays a lizard, a bird is a bird and so forth. Size changes, color, skeletal structure and so forth but over all they remain in their bracket of evolution.
    Our closest cousin the ape, gorilla can not produce a human and a human lying with an ape, gorilla do not produce an ape man. In essence the Hominoidea family combined through sex with Homo Sapiens creates nothing other than perhaps bestiality practices.

    • Damien

      Good for you being open minded BUT

      the Bible DOESN’T say that everything was created 6 or 7,000 years ago.

      That is just a figure some modern people got adding up the ages of the people in the Bible.

      CIVILIZATION began about 6 / 7,000 years ago. Science agrees with THAT.

      WHAT did the Bible say that Cain DID? DID 6 / 7,000 years ago? Start Civilization. Science AGREES that Civilization DID emerge around 6 / 7,000 years ago.

      • Damien

        And nothing leaves it’s line of speciation (naturally). Speciated lines (lines that can no longer breed such as MODERN DAY Chimps and Humans did come from a common ancestor that WASN’T a Chimp or a Human. Evolution isn’t arguing that Humans came from Chimps but that they both came from a common ancestor that was neither.

  • jknbt

    Defending long day creationism

    Hello…new contributor plus new commenters…good

    The word “day” can be interpreted as an age or a period of time. If you interpret the 7 days of genesis to mean 7 ages, most of the arguments with science go away. This is the “long day” method of interpretation. Go to Hugh Ross’s website http://www.reasons.org for a very thorough explanation. This teaches that the universe was created by an intelligent designer 14.5 billion years ago at the Big Bang. Each of the days in Genesis marks a new epoch or era. The different epochs can be billions, millions, or thousands of years long. The fossil record agrees with this understanding. The length of the day or epoch is not the same in each age. The fossil record also supports microevolution. It does not support the macroevolution of Darwin or Gould. Genesis says that the animals reproduced according to their kind. The word “kind” in this case should be taken to mean family or order, not an individual species.

    I believe Adam and Eve were created about 14,000 BC in Mesopotamia. They had blue eyes and AB blood. The evidence for this is that blue eyes and AB blood appear in the human genome very recently. People who have visited heaven report seeing that Jesus has blue eyes. Blood taken from the shroud of Turin has proven to be AB type. Blue-eyed people are to be found in larger percentages in lands around the Black Sea and northern Europe, where the descendants migrated. AB blood type is the rarest type, indicating a relatively recent origin in the human genome.

    I believe that the flood and Noah account is accurate. This happened about 12,000 BC. There is evidence of a worldwide ecological catastrophe at that time. The clearest evidence is what happened to the animals. The large mammals from Africa, Europe, and Asia survived. The large mammals from the Americas and Australia did not survive. These include the giant sloth, the giant elk, the saber-toothed tiger, and the giant kangaroo. They missed the boat. These animals and many others go suddenly extinct around 12,000 BC.

    And yes, many peoples survived. There are Indian tribes in the northwestern USA that can take you to the Snake River basin and show you how high the water came according to tribal legend. The water was higher than the highest mountain in the Mideast, Mt Hermon at 9,232 feet. Everything in the bible was written from a perspective of an observer in the holy land. They did not know about Everest. This level would have allowed anyone like humans or small animals who can climb a mountain in time to survive. The flood was intended by God to protect the bloodline leading to Christ, not to wipe out all life on the planet. Many people with corrupt DNA nevertheless survived. King David killed off the remaining hybrid monstrosities in his day, see 2 Samuel 21:15–22, see also https://answersingenesis.org/bible-characters/giants-in-the-old-testament/.

    Interesting article, thanks.

    • Mayhem

      The creation account in Genesis contain seven literal days, jknbt, no question and no gap theory required. However the account also speaks to the ages thereafter ie recorded history. We are currently in the sixth day for a day is like unto a thousand years.

      There is no reason to be surprised that isolated tribal cultures recorded a flood narrative given it was a global event but as far as Everest not being topped please explain the seashells found embedded in rocks at the summit.

      • Damien

        You CAN’T be this dumb!

        • Damien

          How do you explain the Japanese and 2001 Tsunamis? They were caused by tectonic shifts. India is pushing into Asia. That is pushing UP the Himalayas. The sea shell fossils date to BEFORE India crashed into Asia. :roll:

      • jknbt

        geologists tell us that the subcontinent of India slowly moved from being part of Africa to hitting Asia. It touched Asia starting about 5 million years ago. The Himalaya mountains were once part of the seabed in the ocean between India and Asia. The Indian continent slipped under southern Asia, which pushed up the seabed. The seabed became the mountains, sea shells and all.

        To defend the 24-hour day interpretation of the word day in Genesis means that God created the universe old. This means he created dinosaur fossils and placed them in the earth. This means he created light beams traveling from apparently different galaxies. For example, the Andromeda galaxy is 2,357 million light years away from Earth. If you know where to look in the winter sky on a moonless night, you can see the Andromeda galaxy’s faint light. Science tells us that the light entering your eyes has been traveling for 2,357 million years. But if what you say is correct and if the universe is of recent origin, that means God had to put light particles traveling on a vector to your eyes in a way that simulates great distance. Why would God possibly do something so capricious and deceptive? Nope, that doesn’t sound like my God who deals in the truth.

        The bible is inspired, infallible, and inerrant. But that guarantee of accuracy does not apply to the interpretations that men can give. Your interpretation is flawed. It is based on Bishop Ussher’s calculations of the timing of Genesis. He published his date of 4004 BC in 1650. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology People say this date is in the bible, but it is an interpretative number placed in the margin of some KJV bibles. This interpretation is flawed.

        • Mayhem

          On what basis has science established the millions/billions of years theory? Radiometric dating! Ninja puhlease. That’s so reliant upon assumption it requires more faith than believing the literal creation account.

          Based on average continental drift it would take, roughly, 450,000 years for the seabed, anywhere, to rise to the height of Everest and despite all of the erosion that would have naturally occurred during that time you will contend fossilized crustaceans remained intact waiting to be discovered relatively recently. That’s another leap of faith i’ll not be joining you on.

          Man has sent a probe the equivalent distance of 17.5 hours at the speed of light plus your oversimplified argument makes no allowance for the universe supposedly expanding at a speed greater than that of light nor any allowance for the fact that beyond voyager-1 we have little idea whether a perfect vacuum is sustained so, all in all, i’m saying “science” thinks far to much of itself.

          My interpretation of literal days is based, not on Ussher but on…

          “And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day”

          … the word of God.

          • Damien

            God spoke English?

  • Canderson

    Natural selection is a fat old drunkard some 30 meters down in a dumb.

    • Canderson

      We (man) are beyond the Natural selection by technology, the tool., this creates perversions, more and worse.

  • Sasha

    God is called I AM THAT I AM , and he doesn’t care which religion we follow, unfortunately there is alot of information in the Bible that was changed before getting published, and there were lots of teachings completely left out of the Bible. You should check out Summit lighthouse and The pearls of wisdom,
    Authentic ascended masters terachings, sages and mystics from both the East and West, who mastered earths school room and now live in higher realms..
    Some if the stuff I have learned on this site has blown my mind.

    • Truthseeker

      sasha, that is exactly why I never ever check out summit lighthouse or “authentic ascended masters or mystics etc as I want a sound logical mind and not one that has been “blown” — I stick with the Word of God and not the words of men and demons. Both are liars.

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