Neptune Sized Nibiru, Planet X may Be Approximately 22 Lunar Distances Away from Earth

Five year olds know better, Central. And obnoxiousness is not wit.

I don’t remember what article had the mistake. It was obviously a jumbled bit of typing. I don’t know what the author meant.

I know, you can’t tell the difference between something typed wrong, and the stuff you normally type.

Oh hell, yes, Planet X is slow. Well, the solar system is big. It takes time to get around in it.

I realize that you, Central, and your small, emergency back-up troll Syco, love the smell of napalm in the morning. It smells like victory.

But see, the people who tell you stuff, and show you stuff, are selective about what they disclose. And they lie, a lot. And you’re going to learn that.

They couldn’t hide all the evidence. So they buried it in a pile of disinformation. But it’s there, to be found.

And having some idea of what to expect could keep you from panic, when your illusions evaporate.

THIS:

“And having some idea of what to expect could keep you from panic, when your illusions evaporate.”

Right, Cap. Like just ‘knowing’ it was coming would ever save you from the abject terror of seeing a two mile-high wall of seawater bearing down on you.

You is funny.

What Central Scrutinizer SAID is, he called her excrement. Feces.

Here: “Spare me the theatrics Caca”

“Caca” means excrement. Feces. And calling people that is okay with Mayhem. Well, it’s not okay with me.

It’s infantile and stupid and crude.

And do you really think you are fooling anyone, Mayhem?

You’re not.

TCB terror? Where do you come from? ‘Cause around HERE, people prepare themselves for all kinds of peril, and are brave.

It’s not unusual for humans to face suffering and death with great courage.

And people who are prepared, trained, face suffering and possible death over and over and over.

Read some history. Read some news.

Read about Christian equanimity, also.

And read about despair, which kicks in sometimes. Like on board Titanic. Or in Europe during the Black Death.

And then there’s all that fluoride in our drinking water, making people apathetic.

I’ve seen security video of people not reacting to a fire, until the smoke layer descended to head level. And there are many cases of people hearing their neighbors scream for help, and nobody even called the police. From 1965 on.

“Serenity” is the classic film to watch. About the drug “pax” and people made too apathetic to live.

But since you want to be personal about it, a tidal wave, or violent winds, or liquefaction of the the sandy soil under my feet, or subsidence of the land under my feet, or whatever, is a TEMPORARY bit of suffering.

And I personally have been seriously sick before. And I’ve seen people die before. And I’m really not worried about that.

I got this: I lose interest in discussing anything, when I realize the person I’m talking to is dishonest.

That would be anyone who relies on “plausible deniability.”

Central has had plenty of time to correct a typo, and to apologize. Therefore it was not a typo. Just his usual personality. Infantile. Stupid. Crude. Off-topic. Illogical.

Goodbye. I won’t miss you.

Speaking for all the grown-ups now, are we? Mate – people can think what they like about me but i’d like it if they noticed i’m not usually the one leaving questions on the table.

Here is your opportunity to humiliate my arse, LifeIs, by quoting me ever claiming that the Bible is mine. Sure i do go on about my favourite book, which i suggest everyone be reading, and i do indeed speak confidently on the subject but where have i ever claimed infallible knowledge which is what i imagine you meant.

You’re not the first guy to whine about wasting time talking to me, in fact i get that a lot, but the reader gets to decide what’s what and presuming to speak for them is about as weak as an argument can get.

Watching trolls describe themselves is not as thrilling for me, as it is for them.

The topic I wish to discuss is the approach of Planet X. Well, its charge field.

It would be a shame, if we didn’t understand what was happening to our world.

I’ve spent the last hour trying to find your absolute proof, LifeIs, to no avail. Would you provide a link regarding the recalculation of Neptune’s mass? I’d like to peruse the information to see why this happened, if indeed it ever did, and check that you’re not just making this up too.

“You’re all shills” – Ahh, there we have it, the tireless refrain of the vanquished.

Thanks for that, LifeIs, but where do you get the idea that i denied the information existed? All i said was i couldn’t find it, despite looking, and would you point me in the right direction because i wanted to read it. Why would i want to read something that doesn’t exist? Are you a little butthurt?

Now then, fool, the information you linked to makes my case not yours. Was this a test to see if i’d actually read it or are you just this stupid?

From your link…

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/06/01/science/evidence-for-planet-x-evaporates-in-spotlight-of-new-research.html

1) – “ASTRONOMERS can quit looking for the elusive “Planet X” because it is not there, a new study of solar system measurements has concluded.”

2) – Dr. E. Myles Standish Jr, of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, analyzed Voyager-2 data which included significant corrections of the expected orbits of Uranus and Neptune. His recalculation shows that things are as expected if there were no planet-X.

3) – Despite the longstanding reluctance of a few theorists to abandon the Planet-X hypothesis, Dr. Standish concludes, “There remains no need to hypothesize the existence of a 10th planet in the solar system.”

4) – Dr. Brian G. Marsden, of the Smithsonian, aka The Boss, expressed relief. “Despite the persistent views of a few astronomers, I’ve never believed in it myself.”

5) – A companion star would fling comets, from the Oort cloud, some of them toward earth. There is no mention of meteor showers in the article.

… you freaking idiot.

So, LifeIs, it was Voyager-2 that provided the information for the reduced mass of Neptune yet you state it showed no discrepancy. Who are we to believe? You or the information you link to especially where it unmistakably contradicts your assertions.

I’ll go no further into your idiocy except to say that you meant “plausible deniability” and yes “5 eyes” is real and so is propaganda but it’s proof, not conjecture, that i’m trying to extract from you.

Am i fooling anyone? I couldn’t say but i know you’re definitely not…

“Seriously, you make LifeIs seem sane, at least by nibtard standards.”

JUL 24, 2016, 5:26 PM – Youareallnuts

/alternative/2016/07/nibiru-will-ravage-the-earth-usgs-climatologist-3389668.html

… ha ha, loser

And lets be having some proof that i’ve not read or pretended not to understand the evidence you’ve provided. Come on, LifeIs, here’s a 2nd opportunity for you to humiliate my arse. Lets hope this attempt doesn’t backfire on you like the last time.

Wherefore art thou, Mr. Is?

May haps you didn’t like my question?

(Maybe somebody crazy glued his cheeks to the seat. Or maybe he got his hand stuck in the garbage disposal trying to clean it. I hate it when that happens. Always make sure not to flip the switch until you free your meat hook.)

“You think we’re tracking interplanetary space probes…”

Ummm… yes I do. Isn’t that what we’re discussing here?

“Do you think the Earth is standing still?”

Are you asking me my opinion on the matter? Are you privy to some bit or set of information that proves the Earth is in motion? That would be quite the trick, LifeIs. Do tell if you think you’ve sequestered any such tricks up your hat. But since you asked, I ‘think’ there is better than 50/50 odds that the Earth is indeed standing still. Were I to be PROVEN wrong about that, it wouldn’t upset my mental model of the cosmos much at all. Perhaps the Earth is in motion. I calculate the odds that it is at perhaps 45 percent.

“Have you never heard of parallax?”

Yes, LifeIs. I have. But the change in position between Earth and the Voyager vessel is, by and large, a linear increase in distance from one another. It’s not as if the damn probe is flying parallel to Earth now, is it? Did you misunderstand my question? Do you fail to recognize that the differences in trajectory you posit would be infinitesimally small relative to our position on Earth, owing to the probe’s vast distance from Earth?

“More importantly, have you never heard of the Doppler effect? That is what is used to measure speed, and thereby, the distances traveled by spacecraft.”

Is there meant to be some relevance to these queries of yours? Beyond impugning my level of education, I mean?

“And speed anomalies of a few millimeters per second are measured, for space probes.”

This is your best answer thus far. But it doesn’t answer the question. Because no matter the mass of Neptune, the effects of Neptune’s gravity on the probe would be irrelevant by now. Neptune’s gravity would have accelerated the probe as the probe approached the planet, but would have acted equally to decelerate the probe after it passed. This would be true whether or not the mass of Neptune was ‘adjusted’ by ten percent. The effects may have been observable at the time the probe approached and shortly after it passed Neptune. Are you privy to that telemetry?

“You said, “Even if it strayed from its intended course, it wouldn’t have done so by very much.” Why would you SAY such a thing?”

I should elaborate: I meant that, relative to our position on Earth, the observable discrepancy (if there was one) might be infinitesimally small owing to the vast distances involved. Let’s say the probe had strayed tens of thousands of miles from its expected course. My question is, how would we know? Given the vast relative distances involved and the fact that probe information reaches Earth only from an extremely narrow window in the cosmos, a single point as viewed from Earth, how would it be possible for us to ever determine that the probe had strayed by what amounts to a very small degree when we consider the distances involved?

And you have thus far completely failed to answer the question.

1. Yes, I left “when” out of this sentence:

“You think (when) we’re tracking interplanetary space probes “…we’re only receiving information from it via a single point…”

Because that’s an exact TCB quote, “via a single point.”

He STILL doesn’t understand how parallax is used in astronomy.

TCB: “Do you fail to recognize that the differences in trajectory you posit would be infinitesimally small relative to our position on Earth”

Our POSITION changes by around 186 million miles, over a six month period. Even the nearby STARS have measurable parallax, when the observations are 6 months apart.

3. The 1989 flyby of Neptune was not a secret mission. It was reported. No anomaly in the trajectory of Voyager 2 was reported at the time.

And it would have been known. It would have been important. It would have been discussed in science circles, as the Pioneer Anomaly was.

4. We KNOW when a distant probe is off its expected course. By the Doppler effect. Which measures the speed of the probe.

And that tells you distance. (distance = speed multiplied by time)

5. Mayhem says incorrectly: “..this is measured when spacecraft fly past earth on their way to somewhere. Extrapolating this to doing the same thing way the bleep out in the deepness is deceptive to say the least.”

It’s not an extrapolation. It is how space probes are tracked.

An example of how the Doppler effect is used, is in the Pioneer Anomaly. Pioneer 10 and 11 were about 400 kilometers off course, per year. Beyond 20 AU (that’s about 1 billion, 860 million miles)

That’s not just AT 20 AU, it is BEYOND 20 AU.

(Pluto ranges from 29.7 to 49.3 AU)

The Doppler effect is used to make measurements across intergalactic distances.

I linked to the article about flybys of Earth to show how precise the measurements are.

The 4 mm per second anomaly (in the article) is 0.0089 miles per hour.

6. Who do you think you’re fooling?

1. You said this:

“…the differences in trajectory you posit would be infinitesimally small relative to our position on Earth, owing to the probe’s vast distance from Earth?”

Nearby stars are much further from Earth. And the parallax is measurable.

2. You said: “…how would an anomaly of the kind we’re debating be detected?”

I told you several times. The Doppler effect is used, routinely.

Why would an anomaly in trajectory be noticed? Because NASA is tracking its probe. They have to know where it is, to communicate with it and control it.

Voyager 2 flew by Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus, before the Neptune flyby.

3. And this: “But not coordinates”

Of course they have coordinates. That’s the result of the tracking. Coordinates.

4. No, the probe doesn’t “compensate” if its trajectory is altered.

5. Voyager 2 is still being tracked, at a distance of 111 AU. (Ten billion, 300 million miles plus)

Its speed is 15.4 kilometers per second, as of December 2014.

Incorrect am i? Lets just see about that…

Spacecraft flying past Earth undergo a puzzling change in speed and nobody knows why. “On 8 December 1990, something strange happened to the Galileo spacecraft as it flew past Earth on its way to Jupiter. As the mission team watched, the spacecraft’s speed suddenly jumped by 4 mm per second. Nobody took much notice — a few mm/s is neither here or there to mission planners. Then on 23 January 1998, the same thing happened to NASA’s Near spacecraft as it swung past Earth. This time its speed jumped by 13 mm/s. The following year, Cassini’s speed was boosted by 0.11mm/s during its Earth fly-by. And people finally began to ask questions when the Rosetta spacecraft’s speed also jumped by 2 mm/s during its 2005 close approach.”

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/425472/gps-satellites-could-solve-flyby-anomaly/

… all of which comes from the article you linked to, LifeIs, so now it seems you have been reduced to lying.

“…It is used to measure the speed and distance…”

But not the precise location. Which has been my POINT all along.

Dismissed, LifeIs.

And if you return here in two and a half weeks like you did with your above comment, the hall will be empty.

Enjoy the echo.