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Was it Only The 'Ceremonial Law' That Was Nailed to The Cross?

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Right, what is this supposed ‘Ceremonial Law’? Is it Scriptural or is it hu-man made? Was there a ‘Temporary Law’ that some also mysteriously claim? Did this law exist as a separate entity or as a sub-division of The Whole Law in Old Covenant times? Did Moses deliver a two stage version of The Whole Law? Has this alleged ‘Ceremonial Law’ been deliberately conjured up the Judaising theologians of the later centuries in order to confuse and deceive True Believers and followers of The Way? The Way, being that of simply and Graciously following Yashua Anointed as our Friend, Elder Brother and Saviour i.e. putting our total trust and faith in Him for everything?

 

OK, so let’s check this idea out to see if it holds any water. My guess is that it won’t, but let’s take a look-see to make sure, so that we can tell these evil people where they can go. That’s politely, of course, otherwise they will quickly accuse us of not displaying the Fruits of The Spirit. ROFL. Never mind that they do not have any of that Spirit anyway, but there you go. Life is full of many weird and ‘wonderful’ surprises, is it not?

 

2 Chron 33:8 (KJV) Neither will I any more remove the foot of Israel from out of the land which I have appointed for your fathers; so that they will take heed to do all that I have Commanded them, according to The Whole Law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses. (All Emphasis mine)

 

There we are folks, THE WHOLE LAW, The Statutes and The Ordinances by The Hand of Moses and Commanded by The Lord – The Commandments. Here, too, are The Holy Scriptures that prove The Whole Law was written down by Moses:

 

Exodus 24:12 (KJV) And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.

 

Exodus 34:28 (KJV) And he was there with The LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of The (OLD) Covenant, The Ten commandments. (Brackets mine)

 

There it is, people, it cannot be simpler than that and with no ambiguity, and ALL written down by Moses, so we already know that there is no such thing as a separate ‘Ceremonial Law’ other than in the minds of wretched and evil 21st century Pharisees who pose and feign at being followers of Yashua Anointed and paying mealy mouthed lip service to His Grace.

 

Now the next point we must clarify is this: Does The Whole Law include The Ten Commandments? Or, perhaps, we could make it a more stupid question: Could someone separate The Ten Commandments from The Whole Law and thereby still call it The Whole Law? I tell you, folks, there are many ‘geniuses’ out there that think that they can. Not only that, but there are some who are so ‘clever’ that they conjure up this non-Scriptural new name i.e. the ‘Ceremonial Law’ (as you would) and deduct that from The Whole Law. By doing this, they erroneously think, they can leave The Ten Commandments in the clear, carry them forward into The New Covenant era, and then make them binding on those Born of God (Born Again) with the indwelling of The Holy Spirit. This means putting them back into bondage and condemnation of The Law. How sneaky-evil and snake-in-the-grass is that? Well they are The Devil’s own, so should we expect anything else?

 

Moreover, if we search for the words ‘Ceremonial Law’ just like the words ‘Holy Trinity’ and ‘Rapture’, in The KJV of The Bible, we will not find them written there. Furthermore, they also try another trick by calling this imaginary and non-existent ‘Ceremonial Law’, the ‘Temporary Law’, also not Scriptural. All this, as opposed to their imaginary permanent, and now separated, Ten Commandment Law.

 

So what does this amount to? Quite simply, it all points to the grubby handiwork of certain satanic creatures looking to undermine Yashua Anointed’s Glorious Grace with their evil scheme of “The Whole Law” now stripped of the non-existent ‘Ceremonial Law’ (it supposedly nailed to the cross) leaving The Ten Commandments alone and still in force. Clever eh? Well not clever enough for a Spirit led Messenger and follower of Yashua Anointed, that’s for sure.

 

Now is this ‘Ceremonial Law’ idea a new thing? No way, it’s been going on for centuries. The best, recent, examples of it were the early Protestant Reformation people in England e.g. The Puritans under Oliver Cromwell who attempted to literally force people to live the Ten Commandment ‘Christian Life’. This even included attempted enforcement via Parliamentary legislation which, as we know, turned into a complete disaster. The lost and unsaved people of England were having none of that and soon were clamouring for the return of a dissolute monarch from exile in France in the shape of Charles (Stuart) II with all his whores, mistresses and concubines. Similar experiments were attempted in the American colonies with the same disastrous results. It’s a solid gold nugget of Truth folks i.e. no one can be forced by The Law to be a follower of Yashua Anointed. It don’t work like that and can NEVER work like that.

 

Moving on from my slight digression, Yashua Anointed, through Paul, then helps us with this verse of Holy Scripture:

 

Galatians 5:3 (KJV) For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do The Whole Law.

 

Now let’s think about this verse. What is Paul really saying here? Is Paul saying that obedience, as a debtor, to do The Whole Law it MUST include circumcision? Yes, of course he is, because circumcision is a crucial and integral part of being obedient to The Whole Law. Look, fellas, you’re either heart circumcised of The Holy Spirit or you’re penis circumcised of The Whole Law. Are you of The Holy Spirit or are you of obedience to The Whole Law, making you condemned and bound in your own living flesh?

 

If we then throw the Gentile equation into the mix, are they bound by the physical circumcision of The Whole Law or, if called by The Father to His Son, do they become solely circumcised Spiritually in their hearts? This is not rocket science people and we need to get these foundational Grace Truths deep seated in our hearts and minds or we’ll forever be corks tossed around on the ocean waves.

 

Speaking of tossed corks, we now have James telling us in no uncertain terms where we should be standing i.e. under Yashua Anointed’s Glorious Grace:

 

James 2:10 (KJV) For whosoever shall keep The Whole Law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

 

Now I want all of you Whole Law breakers out there to tell me how you’re going meet ALL the requirements of The Whole Law, which will include physical circumcision, sunset Friday to sunset Saturday Sabbath keeping, animal sacrifices, the dietary laws and the non-wearing of mixed cloths, to name but a few, and not remain guilty of breaking The Whole Law? I will now remind all those self-righteous ‘salvation by works’ Whole Law Keepers out there of what Paul said to the Colossians:

 

Col 2:14 (KJV) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

 

Notice the word ‘ordinances’ and from the Greek MSS we get:

 

G1378 – dogma – dog’-mah – from the base of G1380; A LAW (civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical): – decree, ordinance.

 

How appropriate is that for all those dogs of The WHOLE Law? DOG-ma!! From which we get our English word ‘dogmatic’ which means, and I quote from The Free Dictionary: Characterized by an authoritative, arrogant assertion of unproven or unprovable principles”.

 

There we have it, folks, a very succinct summation of everything the Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion, in all its guises, is based upon – unproven and unprovable principles!! In other words they make it up as they go – just ask old Papa, he’ll tell ya. LOL

 

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    • Truthseeker

      Jesus Christ is the Creator God and by Him all things that were made were made by Him. When He walked as a human upon His creation for 33 ½ years everything on earth and in heaven above OBEYED HIM. Water was turned into wine, Satan fled at His command, He stilled the wind, He stilled the water and even walked upon it, trees died on command, the demons fled at His command, human flesh was healed at His command, the dead of four days rose to life at His command.

      And yet there is one part of His Creation that will not obey; and refuses to this very day.

      MAN!

      Man has come up with every devise, every scheme, every morsel of corrupted logic possible to remove and nullify the 10 Commandments. Yes they are hated because the deeds of man are evil. And the Law shines the light of Truth on evil.

      What is hard to understand is why they are hated, if the world would only obey just one, how about “Thy shall not murder”, if everyone on earth today obeyed just this one do you realize the impact, there would be no war, gangs would not fight and kill each other, no drive by killings, neighbor would not walk next door and shoot his neighbor because of some dispute. There would not even be suicides.

      Also take adultery which also includes fornication, all the women on earth would be safe to walk on any street any where in this world.

      And this is a bad EVIL thing??????

      The only reason the 10 Commandments are hated are plainly explained in John 3: 19
      And guess who else hates the Law of God,, Satan and his demons. The Law condemns Him to outer darkness for eternity.

      OK, you are free again to scream and call me every name your “perfect” mind can come up with.

      As for me, I will with my whole being obey the Word of my Savior:

      John 14: 21, “He that hath My Commandments and keepeth them he it is that loveth Me
      and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father and I will love and will manifest Myself to him.”

      • yes2truth

        I am NOT talking about fallen man, I am talking about those Born of God who have no need of The Law.

        Your comment does not even come close to addressing The Truth as written in my article. It’s just an opinion based rant without any Scriptural foundation or relevance to my article. In fact, your ignorant spiritually dead diatribe takes one’s breath away.

        I quote ALL The Holy Scriptures that makes a mockery of satanic DOG-ma and yet you persist in your own closed mind agenda based interpretations and creating all manner of contradictions at the same time.

        You have a mental sickness that seem incurable. Perhaps a thousand years in outer darkness will be the only cure to your blind ignorant rabid stupidity.

        • Truthseeker

          yes2truth

          Christ in John 14; 21 was talking to only His Apostles AT The LORD’s Supper, the very day He was to die.

          Please tell me why Jesus Christ our Passover Lamb on the day of His death would bother to passionately tell His Apostles that if you — the Apostles — have and keep My Law it proves you love me?????

          Are you calling the Apostles fallen men?? Is Christ telling them to love and keep His law for another 3 days and then you are FREE????? Nonsense!!

          Admit it you despise the HOLY ETERNAL LAW OF GOD,

          Did you bother to read the results of the world keeping just one Commandment?

          Did you bother to read the first part? Only MAN refuses to obey God and you are a prime example. So ( logically) to placate man God removes the Law so it does not complicate the lives of His Saints?? — more nonsense.

          God through Christ removed our penalty — not the Law.

          Are you refusing to accept the sacrifice of Christ as payment for your sinful life??

          But one that has such a deep seated hatred of the perfect Law can ever admit they have been deceived. You will never and can never admit that this statement by John is Truth.

          “By this we know that we love the children of God when we love God and keep His Commandments.” I John 5: 2.

        • yes2truth

          Your comments are not relevant to the article.

          All you are doing is creating contradictions with irrelevant remarks.

          Tell me how you keep The Whole Law. I want to know.

          And you still have not answered my questions from my previous thread re attaining perfection by Law keeping.

          Do NOT REPLY with yet more meaningless distractions. I want straight forward simple answers or shut up and go away.

        • Truthseeker

          yes2truth

          I would be very careful calling the Word of God not relevant. I gave you a statement of Christ showing the Law is to be kept and one by the Apostle John saying the same thing and you are calling these statements not relevant??? and after calling the Apostles fallen men!

          Admit it you hate God Law!

          I have told you repeatedly I obey the Law because I obey my Lord and Master, not for salvation which is a free unearned gift. He tells me I should and I simply do!

          Great brush off in that last comment you made!! That way you do not have to reply,
          By the way you do know grace simply means kindness

        • yes2truth

          You are not a messenger of Yashua Anointed so The Holy Scriptures are meaningless in your hands – all of them – thereby making them irrelvant. You are a blind guide and you are therefore truly ignorant of The Holy Scriptures.

          The Law was still in force whilst Yashua Anointed walked this earth. He was under The Law and kept ALL The Law. The WHOLE Law.

          Are you keeping The WHOLE Law like He did?

          No, I love God’s Law because it no longer has any force or hold over me. You on the other hand do have The Law over you and it’s condemning you.

          Now I am still waiting for answers to my questions. Are you going to put up or shut up?

      • yes2truth

        PS You don’t have a Saviour. Your ‘Saviour’ is The Law and totally dependent upon YOUR obedience to it.

    • Chaplain Bob

      Jesus said: John 14:15 – If ye love me, keep my commandments.

      Mat 5:19 – Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

      Jhn 14:21 – He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

      Jhn 15:10 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.

      1 John 2:4 – He that saith, I know (God) him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

      1 Jo 5:3 – For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

      Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

      Rev 14:12 – Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

      Rev 22:14 – Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

      Ecc 12:13 – Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. :!:
      :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea:

      • yes2truth

        Oh no not another Scripturally ignorant dissembler saved by Moses. :lol: :lol: :lol:

        Chaplain Bob eh? Looks like a ravening wolf in sheep’s clothing to me.

        All you are doing is creating contradictions – get yourself a concordance and learn what the word ‘Keep’ means in the SPIRIT of the New Testament.

        Learn who John was speaking to in 1 John 1.

        And which Commandments are you referring to?

        Are you keeping The Whole Law?

        Are you Born of God or born of Devil?

        Are you still under the school teacher like a little boy?

        Do you have a bit and bridle in your mouth?

        What does Baptism and Gifting of The Holy Spirit mean to you? – anything?

        What does Yashua Anointed’s sacrifice mean to you and what in Truth has He achieved for you? Not a lot by the look of it.

        If you fail to KEEP the Commandments how will you enter The Kingdom of God?

        How will you obtain perfection by obedience to The Law?

        Is your righteousness that which exceeds that of The Pharisees by your own Commandment keeping?

        • yes2truth

          HA no answers to my questions from Mr Wolf in his Pulpit. What does that tell us? :lol: :lol: :lol:

        • BEEF SUPREME

          It tells us he mistook you for a sound-minded operator, after which he saw you clearly for the calcified crustacean you are in fact, whereupon he fled your article, in horror, and in much haste.

          No one will fault him for beating the retreat. In fact, he’s wiser than the rest of us who linger.

        • yes2truth

          Ecoli Beef, that man who cannot coherently speak for himself assumes, arrogantly, to think that he can speak for someone else.

          Self-opinionated pompous vanity at its best. Classic. :lol: :lol: :lol:

        • BEEF SUPREME

          What do you mean, Crabby? You don’t think I can turn a phrase and convey coherency? You never let on that you had any trouble comprehending my meaning in the past. How is it now that you say I am lacking with regard to clarity?

        • yes2truth

          Oh you can ‘turn a phrase’ alright – a phrase of quasi-intellectual blathering. :lol: :lol: :lol:

          You encapsulate that old saying: “If I cannot blind ‘em with ‘science’, I’ll baffle ‘em with BS.

          Steady with that thinking now, you know how dangerous it can be!! :eek:

        • Chaplain Bob

          All I did was quote Paul, John and Jesus on the law from the Bible – no opinion of my own

          This one does does not seem to believe the Bible and Jesus and yet calls me a wolf…?

          Beware people.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          Way ahead of you chaplain.

        • yes2truth

          @ Wolf Bob

          No, all you did was turn The Holy Scriptures into the poison of asps which ALL Judaising mongrel dogs do.

          You are the archetypal pulpit ravening wolf.

          Now answer my questions and let’s have none of your religious BS, lies, wafflle and padding.

          If you decide to remain a stiff necked blasphemer and Grace Killer and need any help with your Judaisers BS, just ask Ecoli Beef (Beef Supreme) – he’s a past master at it. :lol: :lol: :lol:

          They tell me he’s up for a Religious BS Nobel Prize. :lol: :lol: :lol:

        • yes2truth

          @ Ecoli Beef

          Yes Dib you are definitely ‘way ahead’ and on that wide path to destruction (spiritual ruin) – perhaps I ought to call you Mr Gadarene. Watch out for those cliffs just AHEAD of you. :lol: :lol: :lol:

    • sharonjorgen

      NEITHER! The only thing nailed to the cross was Messiah’s flesh.

      WHO CLAIMED the law was nailed to the cross of Jesus: Saul/Paul the Pharisee who was murdering the saints!

      Shouldn’t we be just a little suspicious of Paul’s testimony since Jesus DID NOT foretell of this NEW DOCTRINE!!? Nor from heaven AFTER HIS RESURRECTION AND ASCENSION have Apostle John reveal it in Revelation: So if the Corner Stone did not have time to reveal this vital matter while on Earth — in the flesh — a perfect opportunity arose in the Apocalypse (the revealing)!!!

      On the other hand Christ DID prophesy of his shed blood remitting sin and giving his flesh…but omitted this linchpin of HIS gospel?! How is that even realistic.

      Jesus said “I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is MY FLESH, which I will give for the life of the world.” {John 6:51}

      Y2t says Jesus’ flesh sandwiched the Law between the nails.

      I’ll stick with the Savior’s words of what he prophesied he would do on the cross: ‘give his flesh for the life of the world’ which is WHY the spirit of antichrist is so vile –

      And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the FLESH is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. {1 John 4:3}

      he law wasn’t done away with…it was fulfilled and still is according to Christ

      Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am NOT come to destroy, but to fulfil. {Matthew 5:17}

      For verily I say unto you, TILL heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. {Matthew 5:18}

      Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is THE LAW and the prophets. {Matthew 7:12}

      Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these TWO commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
      Matthew 22:37-40

      • yes2truth

        You haven’t read the article.

        Paul was the greatest of The Messengers (apostles) and Saul was not Paul.

        Go away and take your satanic blasphemous Pharisee.Liar ignorant opinions with you.

        • sharonjorgen

          What is your scriptural evidence that ANY law was nailed to the cross.

          Outside of this 1 verse of Paul’s {Col 2:14}…Does he even have a second witness?! Certainly not from John in Revelation, to whom Jesus spoke after his resurrection and ascension. No such claim is made!!

        • yes2truth

          What is your Scrptural evidence that it wasn’t?

          What is your answer to James’ statement of Truth? Or is he now blacklisted with Paul?

          James 2:10 (KJV) For whosoever shall keep The Whole Law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

          I want to know how you’re going to obtain perfection by attemtping to keep THE WHOLE LAW?

          TELL ME NOW!!!!!!!

        • Truthseeker

          yes2truth

          you said;

          James 2:10 (KJV) For whosoever shall keep The Whole Law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

          I want to know how you’re going to obtain perfection by attemtping to keep THE WHOLE LAW?

          TELL ME NOW!!!!!!!
          ———————————-
          James is telling the truth, transgress even one Law and you have broken them ALL.
          I can not keep them perfectly – no physical man can, but when I fail I repent and my Father forgives me.

          I do not want to offend but I am still a human and I am not perfect, yes all my pass sins are covered by the shed blood of Christ as well as any future ones if I repent of them. Did you know listen when Christ explained how often we must forgive???

          Where in the world do you get the idea that you as a physical flesh and blood human are perfect? If you think between now and the resurrection there is nothing that can cause you to fall you are in very deep trouble.

          Do you not understand you offend most everyone on BIN, your attitude of “I am perfect and you are scum” may well drive a babe in Christ away – that is not something I want to knowingly do.

        • yes2truth

          Well at least the wretch is honest for once in his evil life:

          “I can not keep them perfectly – no physical man can, but when I fail I repent and my Father forgives me.”

          Preciisely and that’s why you cannot enter The Kingdom by attempting to keep The Law, because you will always fail, so you must trust in Yashua Anointed ALONE under His Grace.

          What about those things you fail in keeping that you know nothing about?

          What if you die before you’ve had a chance to ask for forgiveness of your latest sins and omissions in keeping The WHOLE Law? You do keep The Whole Law I hope seeing as you consider it is still binding on you.

          When you confess your latest sins what do you think Yashua Anointed can do with them? Are you asking Him to go to the cross again for your latest sins? Knowing how satanic you are I would not be surprised.

          How many sins do you think He took to the cross, just some of mankind’s sins or ALL OF THEM?

          Offence can only be taken, not given. If I am offending you then I know I speak for Yashua Anointed for He came to be AN OFFENCE and a stumbling block. Time you picked yourself up and repented.

          I have called no one scum – Judasing mongrel dogs yes, but not scum. If you see yourself as scum then that’s your problem, not mine.

        • Truthseeker

          yes2truth

          I confessed I am not perfect like you, you claim you can not sin, I confess when I do sin and
          I repent,

          and I do sin, some times it just slips out and I go to my Father and ask for more of His Spirit and His forgiveness. I guess you never have to ask for forgiveness as you are perfect and can no longer sin. You are perfect in every way.

          Your being “perfect” does give me pause when I read what the Apostle John had to say to repentant converted baptized Spirit filled Saints of God.

          I John 1: 8 – 10

          8 “If we say that we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.”

          9 “If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to
          cleanse us for all unrighteousness.”

          10 “If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar and his word is not
          in us.”

          I confess I have sin, I confess my sin and I am forgiven — I do not make God a liar!!!

          What say you?

        • yes2truth

          @ LiesSeeker

          I say this:

          /religion/2012/12/1-john-1-chapter-1-of-johns-letter-explained-2446480.html

          I will deal with your other ignorant nonsense later.

    • danielreyes

      Galatians chapter 3 explains all this much quicker and more sensibly.

      Also the 10 commandments still are in effect because the commands are spiritual. We know not to kill, not to hate though? Dont be angry? Its all the same, Christs truth is just harder to follow for how can we love our enemies like he did? You sure dont yes2truth. May the Father circumsize that filthy heart of yours and allow you to build others up in the truth.

      Blessings, may peace be within.

      • yes2truth

        So says another Judaising mongrel dog and Grace Killer!!

        Go and read my article and show me where I have written any errors – come on counter what I have said with The Truth if you have any.

        “Blessing’s and peace” he parrots like the self-righteous Pharisee dog that he is.

        • danielreyes

          I wish this on others, how is this a problem to you? Even if I were a self righteous pharisee, I am only a beginner compared to you. I dont believe you know what grace is, even if a person doesnt believe in scripture at all, and it is written in their hearts, who are you to contradict scripture?

          The Father keeps to himself who he wills. Whether I, truthseeker, sharonjorgen, craig or chaplain bob. Who are you to condemn us? In the same way you judge itll be brought on your own head. It seems to me that you have it right and the rest of the world is… what? You finish for me.

          I did read your article, Galatians ch3 explains it better than you did.

          I do wish for you to be more patient and its the self righteous like you that are the most frustrating to work with. Its easier when its a broken sinner turning away from their evil ways. You though, will take effort. So will I. I work it out every day.

          God bless.

        • yes2truth

          I don’t condemn you – The Law condemns you and the words you write condemn you.

          If you’re a beginner then you had better humble yourself and start reading my articles, instead of coming on here and arguing with someone who has been studying and following Yashua Anointed for over thirty years.

          You quote Galatians 3 without even understanding it. Galatians 3 supports what I am saying.

          You speak of patience when patience is not relevant when dealing with The Devil’s own i.e. all the commentators on this thread apart from me.

    • Amminadab

      In Colossians 2:16 it reads “Let no man therefore judge you in meat (offering), or in drink (offering), or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:” and so the argument is the fourth Commandment was deleted from stone. What was done away with here was called the ordinances (ceremonial law). This is clearly seen by noting what Paul said two verses earlier. Colossians 2:14 states, “blotting out the handwriting (has to be Moses handwriting) of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross.” Paul then goes on to say, so “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:“ Luke 1:6 KJV shows that the ordinances and the Ten Commandments are two totally different things. It states, “And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.” And Hebrews 9:1-2 says, “Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. 2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the showbread; which is called the sanctuary.” The first covenant had the ordinances as well as the Ten Commandments but the new covenant has only the Ten Commandments. Note that these ordinances unmistakably belong to the Hebrew sanctuary sacrificial system explained previously. It was the ordinances that were nailed to the cross “not one jot or one tittle” of any of the Ten Commandments.The Ten Commandments were placed in the Ark. The major differences between the Ten Commandments and the ordinances are that the Ten Commandments were written by God’s finger, were written in stone and were placed inside the Ark of the Covenant and it is a law of love which is eternal as love is eternal as God is and is why we were created. The ordinances were in the Moses handwriting, were written in a book and were placed on the outside of the Ark of the Covenant and it is NOT a law of love and was temporary. The One great and perfect Sacrifice was offered that Friday afternoon, when the true Passover Lamb bowed His head and died. When He cried out, “It is finished”, the old ceremonial law that pointed people to His sacrificial death was forever nailed to the cross.
      http://www.ceremoniallaw.com/

      God’s holy Law the Ten Commandments have and always will apply.

      Psalm 111:7-8
      King James Version (KJV)
      7 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure.
      8 They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.

      I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:” – Hebrews 8:6-10

      Now that we have His Law in our minds and heart thanks to His Holy Spirit, it’s far easier to, “hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil” Ecclesiastes 12:13,14 “So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty” James 2:12

      According to these faithful verses, the Ten Commandments are not only the “Whole duty of man,” but the standard of JUDGMENT used to determine our worthiness of Heaven. To further solidify that fact in the heart, the Word is plain when speaking of the Ten Commandments as that which was to be kept from the beginning. The apostles John was moved by the Lord to declare, “And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it .” 2 John1:6

      Many are also taught to proclaim that Commandment keeping is for the Jew and Jew alone. In saying this they un-knowingly condemn all non-Jewish Christians to hell in one fell swoop. This is evident because of what has been written in the book of Revelation for all Christians who trust His Word to read…”Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.” (Revelation 22:14) That city IS HEAVEN. If only Jews are to keep the Commandments, then they are proclaiming only Jews enter Heaven. If this is so, then why does Paul say in Romans 2:10,11, “But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God.” And in Romans 10:12,-13, “For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
      http://www.remnantofgod.org/The-Law.htm

      • yes2truth

        Oh dear yet another copy and paste Scriptural ignoramous who thinks he can impress with many useless words. Vanity of vanities – all is meaningless. :lol: :lol: :lol:

      • yes2truth

        And he actually calls himself Craig Evil – that’s a cracker ROFL. What more need I say? :lol: :lol: :lol:

    • Truthseeker

      yes2truth

      wrote the following

      Exodus 34:28 (KJV) And he was there with The LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of The (OLD) Covenant, The Ten commandments. (Brackets mine)

      There it is, people, it cannot be simpler than that and with no ambiguity, and ALL written down by Moses, so we already know that there is no such thing as a separate ‘Ceremonial Law’ other than in the minds of wretched and evil 21st century Pharisees who pose and feign at being followers of Yashua Anointed and paying mealy mouthed lip service to His Grace.
      ———————————————————————-

      Burnt offerings and sacrifices were add because of sin.

      Jeremiah 7: 22, 23

      22 “For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:”

      23 “But this thing commanded I them saying “Obey My voice, and I will be your God and ye shall be My people and walk ye in all the ways that I have Commanded you that it may be well unto you.”

      Jeremiah is explaining the Old Covenant — If you obey the 10 Commandments all will be well with you, if you don’t I will punish you.

      The Works of the Law, which required actual work to preform as apposed to the 10 Commandment which you are commanded not to do work, consisted of offerings and sacrifices pointing us to Christ who came to pay for our sins by His sacrifice.

      Hebrews 9: 8, 9, 10

      8 “ The Holy Spirit this signifying that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest while as the first tabernacle was yet standing

      9 “ Which was a figure for the time then present in which were offered gifts and sacrifices
      that could not make him that did the service perfect as pertaining to the conscience;

      10 “ which stood only in meats and drinks an divers washing and carnal ordinances,
      IMPOSED ON THEM until the time of reformation.”

      The Sacrificial Law i.e. “The Works of the Law” was imposed upon them until Christ came

      Sacrificial Law;
      Leviticus gives a list of Offerings by category and how each is done.

      Burnt sacrifice of the herd
      Meal offering or Oblation
      Peace offering
      Sin offering
      Trespass offering

      Ceremonial washings given to the priesthood

      Circumcision: A physical procedure Christ change to a Spiritual one.

      This is what was nailed to His stake, and Christ fulfilled them all on the stake.

      • Truthseeker

        yes2

        rather then just screaming at me can you constructively show where God gave the burnt offering and sacrifices to Moses while on the mountain.

        I have gone through the whole process and God signed a simple contract, which hinged on the 10 Commandments,

        In addition He gave them HIS Sabbath and HIS Holy Days and the Sabbatical Law plus God’s Judgments, Statures and precepts.

        Because the children could not obey the law from day one the Works of the Law was added to keep their sins in their faces. Ever time they sinned it cost them money and labor and time.

      • yes2truth

        I have proven that The Whole Law was nailed to the cross so take your meaningless theological explainings away and take a hike.

        I am still waiting for your answers to my questions. When are going to stop making yourself look like a fraud and a charlatan for all to see?

        • Truthseeker

          yes2truth

          the last comment above proves burnt offerings and sacrifices were ADDED and not part of the Old Covenant and THEY were only until Christ, The sacrifices showed the need for the sacrifice of Christ because of sin and once fulfilled by Christ they were completed once and for all.

          You WILLFULLY ignore the massive amount of scripture given my the Mouth of Jesus Christ and His Apostles commanding YOU TO LIVE BY EVERY WORD OF GOD. because you hate the Law as it shows your evil intent. YOU teach the Law is evil and voided and 1 John 1: 8 – 10 shows exactly who and what you are!

        • yes2truth

          You have proven nothing, for all your words are hollow and empty: There was only ever ONE LAW – The Law of God.

          The Law of God – The Whole Law, including The Ten Commandments, was written down by Moses at the top of Mount Sinai over the 40 day period he was up there with The Lord.

          These same commandments were obeyed by Abraham:

          Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept MY CHARGE, MY COMMANDMENTS, MY STATUTES, and MY LAWS. —— THE WHOLE LAW.

          Your claim that things were added is TOTAL BS and a blatant lie. You’re a 24crt theological blatherer.

          Now I am still waiting for your explanations on how you gain perfection by living under The Commandments and in YOUR vain attempts at keeping those Commandments (salvation by works) which in turn are just a summary of The Whole Law.

          The Whole Law condemns you, so how do you escape that condemnation? Come on, I want to know.

      • Truthseeker

        When I said, “This is what was nailed to His stake”, referring to the works of the Law,
        I now believe that statement to be incorrect. I am currently working on a study of the Sacrifice of Christ and just to night came to see that is an incorrect conclusion.

        Within a week of so I will post my study,

        • yes2truth

          @ LiesSeeker

          Let’s hope Yashua Anointed opens your eyes to The Truth.

        • Truthseeker

          yestoo

          not to your truth, it proves you very very wrong. But I know you will not read, will not agree and you will continue to teach error.

        • yes2truth

          There is only One Truth i.e. Yashua Anointed. You have Moses only and The Whole Law which you fail to keep everyday of your miserable life. :shock:

          Furthermore, you have NOTHING that can prove me wrong.

          All you have are Judaising blasphemies which you dress up in all manner of blathering Pharisaical religious BS – just like Ecoli Beef. :lol: :lol: :lol:

    • MSG Chicken

      To the Author,

      Do you keep the Sabbath?
      Do you eat unclean meats?
      Do you observe God’s Holy days?

      • yes2truth

        NO, do you?

        • MSG Chicken

          How do you keep them then?

          Do you observe the pagan holydays of Christmas or Easter?

          What “church” do you follow or go to?

        • yes2truth

          I don’t keep any of them, I have entered Yashua Anointed’s Rest – His Eternal Rest – everyday is now a Sabbath Day.

          Heb 4:8-11 For if Jesus had given them Rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a Rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into His Rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that Rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

          I am the church – a called out (Ecclesia) son of God – predestined.

          Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in My Name, there am I in the midst of them

        • MSG Chicken

          To Yes,

          So everyday you eat pork, clams, lobsters, etc., flavored with castoreum and cochineal?

        • yes2truth

          As I asked you on my other thread, what is this thing you have about the dietary laws? I am presuming it’s that, that is fueling your questions.

      • Truthseeker

        msg

        YES2TRUTH does not and will not keep the Sabbath nor the Holy Days and above all the LAW.

        I would guess he will eat anything and why not He is perfect and can do no wrong,

        ask he will tell you it is impossible for him to sin

        And Why, because according to his way of thinking all of the above are evil and were give to vex man and Christ had to come and free us from all the bad evil stuff dumped upon us by God.

        Do not bother to present scriptures that are 180 degrees from his doctrine, he will just respond with names and insults. And he holds himself out as a teacher of righteousness?

        • yes2truth

          Ha Ha the last outpost of a scoundrel when he seeks to form pathetic alliances with other scoundrels.

          Have you read my article on 1 John 1 yet so as to free your wretched mind of yet more satanic garbage.

          Correct, do not present the poison of asps i.e. your evil perversions of The Holy Scriptures, for they carry only venom and no Truth.

        • MSG Chicken

          I believe he is the Pope and is coming to this board as a way of relieving the tension of not being married.

          Hi Mr. Francis! Appreciate you cumming here!

        • yes2truth

          ???

        • BEEF SUPREME

          Apart from the disgusting and uncalled for sexual innuendo, I do find it remarkable that this is the THIRD commenter who has called you Pope in the last week, Your Eminence.

        • MSG Chicken

          Well, actually I like what he is saying and he may be on to something. I just discovered his writings and am going over them looking for holes.

          BUT, if I find a hole I will dig deeper. (No pun intended).

          I get a little sarcastic because he gives a lot of sarcastic answers which are not really becoming of someone who claims to have truth.

          He must of just discovered it like a kid in a candy store and I can understand the hubris that often times comes from that and is a bit immature and amateurish.

          I must assume he could also not be too old.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          I would put Pope Crabby in his late 50′s or early 60′s.

          And he’s not new to this, so the potential excuse you have set your sights on has, for him, long since expired.

        • yes2truth

          @ MSG

          “The ‘healthy’ have no need of The Physician.”

          Just an example of Yashua Anointed’s sarcasm.

          Young or old it makes no difference to one’s standing with Yashua Anointed, but invariably the Elders of the first century church were older men, for all the obvious reasons.

          I am assuming you’re quite young and relatively new the The Faith – not that, that makes any difference other than your knowledge and maturity.

        • yes2truth

          @ LiesSeeker

          Still waiting for your answers to my questions and you’re becoming very boring with your snide remarks based upon your satanic blasphemous Pharisaism – Law Keeping.

          While you’re here, perhaps you can explain to MSG how you will gain perfection in order to enter The Kingdom of God.

          Better still, how imperfect sinners, like you, will enter The Kingdom of God with your blemished and spotted bridal gowns.

        • yes2truth

          @ Ecoli Beef

          Now Dib, you already know how I am much more powerful than The Pope and you must stop confusing uselessly claimed infallibilty with perfection.

          Yashua Anointed be praised.

        • sharonjorgen

          NEWS FLASH!! The kingdom of God is already established and populated…we’re just looking forward to the weeding, harvest and return of the One who planted us at the end of the age!

          Y2t asks “…how imperfect sinners, like you, will enter The Kingdom of God with your blemished and spotted bridal gowns.” Apostle John had ALREADY entered the kingdom in the 1st century; This is NOT a future event.

          I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and IN THE KINGDOM and patience OF JESUS CHRIST, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. {Revelation 1:9}

          And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven IS AT HAND. {Matthew 10:7}

          But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God IS COME unto you. {Matthew 12:28}

          36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

          37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

          38 The field is the world; the good seed are THE CHILDREN OF THE KINGDOM; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

          39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

          40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

          41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather OUT OF HIS KINGDOM all things that offend, and them which do iniquity [LAWLESSNESS];

          42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

          43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

          Matthew 13 (Brackets mine)

          Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots GO INTO the kingdom of God before you. {Matthew 21:31}

          But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that ARE ENTERING to go in. {Matthew 23:13}

        • yes2truth

          @ sharonjorgen

          Not true, unless you have seen The King of kings and Lord of lords today in your travels.

          If the Kingdom is here where is King or do kingdoms in you weird world not have Kings?

          Satan is the god of this world, the prince of the power of the air can you tell me when he was arrested and imprisoned?

          Or perhaps you saw that lightning that will stretch from the east to west and that everyone remaining here this on earth at that time will see. Please tell me, for I have not seen it.

          I am a royal priest and a king in the making but I have no kingdom as yet so how can the kingdom have arrived other than in your confused mind.

          I know that the kingdom is in me and in those likeminded with me, but as far as I know that’s as far as it goes.

        • sharonjorgen

          In *my* weird world, subjects of the King can reside halfway around the Earth, like when the United Kingdom had an empire upon which the sun never set; Where subjects loyal and OBEDIENT to the Crown established the reach of the kingdom — no physical presence of the monarchy was necessary!!!

          Y2t, you state the obvious…as does the parable below told by Jesus: The King and Lord has not yet returned to Earth –

          14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

          15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.

          16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.

          17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.

          18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his LORD’S money.

          19 AFTER A LONG TIME THE LORD of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.

          Matthew 25

        • yes2truth

          No Sharon,

          In your weird world you talk Pharisees.org blasphemies and errors.

          The Kingdom of God is in me and in those likeminded with me and nowhere else.

          Yashua Anointed has no throne yet because He is coming to take King David’s Throne which is QE2′s throne. When THE KING has a throne you will know The Kingdom has arrived.

          Plus I am not a subject nor a citizen I am a brother and friend of Yashua Anointed – a servant king.

          I will therefore leave you in your wretched state without an estate.

          Luke 13:29 (KJV) And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in The Kingdom of God.

          Can you tell me when this happened, ‘cos I must have missed it. :lol: :lol: :lol:

    • Stēkō

      Well thought out post, and one any Christian who desires heaven to ask oneself as well.
      What law, for there must be either all or some that is nailed to the tree, is now voided under Christ Jesus?
      To determine this, we must first determine what is Gods law, when exactly did it came into being upon humanity to be obeyed? In Genisis we see humanity’s fall from grace, and progression of sins that moved Adam and Eve from perpetitual communion with God in a perfect environ, too a imperfect communion with God and into an environ man had to work to get it to produce its yields. Sin is what? A transgression of the LAW of God. You are well versed biblically, I’m not going to quote chapter and verse, we both know how to search and study, we both are Elect, so I will discuss this with you as one elect to another without gile, which is unrighteousness. Therefore GODs LAW must have been in effect when Eve sinned? We’re there Jews, Israelites, or a earthly sanctuary then? Of course not, Gods LAW is perpetual, eternal, it in truth is the LAW of the entire Creation, the entirty if the universe, all beings created ( sons of God ) keep His commands holy, undefiled, only humanity has sinned and suffered the consequence of sin, which is death.
      Using simple logic, one can easily see that death is still suffered by men, we all die this first death, which CAME ABOUT because of sin. Therefor, if all men die it is because SIN still exists, and since Sin is only the transgression of the LAW of GOD, then the LAW must also still be in effect, but here is the question you sought after, what LAW was Paul in the Spirit speaking of ?
      He was speaking of the ceremonial law of sacrifice and offering, associated with the sanctuary system: which if studied carefuly is typology of two things:
      A.) the life of Jesus from birth to present.
      And
      B.) the progressive nature of a Christians walk abiding in Jesus by FAITH.

      Without faith it is impossible to please God: and it is only by faith that we get salvation in Jesus, and it is only by faith that we are sanctified, that is to say: WE CAN NOT BE BORN AGAIN UNLESS WE HAVE FAITH THAT GOD WILL REFINE OUR CHARACTERS TO BE LIKENED UNTO JESUS. And it is His character to KEEP all the LAW, after all HE WROTE IT. Therefore, the LAW that must be kept, will be kept perfectly by Jesus within our hearts, we need only IN FAITH TRUST HIM to keep His promise to be ” the author and finisher of our faith “.
      I know I’ve been brief, I do not think I need to pontificate to you what childlike faith is all about, you have it, keep believing that you can’t, that Jesus can and will, and I’ll see you Hopefuly very soon when we meet our Lord in the air.

      God bless
      Stēkō Parrēsia Iesōus

      • yes2truth

        Thanks for the positive comment – the first out all the commentators here. Well done and breath of fresh air. :smile:

        • Stēkō

          Only Jesus saves brother, men have a tendancy to Dan, that is to judge. If we abide in Jesus we tend towards Manasseh , or forgiveness. Thusly the difference in the twelve tribes of Israel in the old testiment and the twelve tribes of Spiritual Israel in Revelation.

          God bless
          Stēkō Parrēsia

    • JustDave

      Bunch of crap. Grow up people.

      • Mirabolin

        There will be or is anti-racism ‘wars’ and all the left wing right wing (neo-con) culturally marxist statist individualists will drive and demand them. This what was the entire 20th century and 100 million murdered and the slave trade and colonisalism before that.

        Psychopaths are hardly going to stop being in love with themselves or recognizing that the competition who are not succumbing fully to the anti-racist incoherence and disorganization of economical elitism are human.

        • yes2truth

          @ Mirabolin

          Could you explain the relevance of your comment in relation to the article or even the other comments?

      • yes2truth

        @ JustDave

        I am glad it’s just you, ‘cos anymore would be totally unbearable. :lol: :lol: :lol:

        Plus it’s you that is displaying all the childish immaturity and gross ignorance.

    • Louis

      yes2truth — ravings of a lunatic.

      • yes2truth

        John 10:20 (KJV) And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye Him?

    • danielreyes

      Acts 23:1 And looking intently at the council, Paul said, “Brothers, I have lived my life before God in all good conscience up to this day.” 2 And the high priest Ananias commanded those who stood by him to strike him on the mouth. 3 Then Paul said to him, “God is going to strike you, you whitewashed wall! Are you sitting to judge me according to the law, and yet contrary to the law you order me to be struck?” 4 Those who stood by said, “Would you revile God’s high priest?” 5 And Paul said, “I did not know, brothers, that he was the high priest, for it is written, ‘You shall not speak evil of a ruler of your people.’”

      Paul digressed and spoke wisely through the holy spirit, stating the law.

      What say you yes2truth?

      God bless

      • sharonjorgen

        PAUL IS A HYPOCRITE and transgressor…WHY would he not always ‘speak wisely through the holy spirit, stating the LAW’?!

        If ye fulfil the royal LAW according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: BUT IF YE HAVE RESPECT TO PERSONS, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. {James 2:8-9}

        JESUS prophesied the exact opposite to cowtowing to corrupt leadership!!! Will you believe Messiah’s words or those of Saul/Paul, an admitted murderer of the saints:

        JESUS said “And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony AGAINST THEM and the Gentiles.” Matthew 10:18

        Surely by now EVERYONE knows that governments and their officials do not have our best interests at heart…making Paul also a LIAR:

        1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

        2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

        3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

        4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

        5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

        6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

        7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

      • yes2truth

        I think you’re clutching at straws and scraping the barrel by using irrelevant Holy Scriptures. You of course, being a 21st century Pharisee.

        Paul was ALWAYS ALL THINGS to ALL Men.

        Paul was no more under The Law than I.

        Saul WAS under The Law hence he used The Law to execute followers of Yashua Anointed.

        Think about that while you repent you blasphemer.

        • yes2truth

          the above post was in answer to Ecoli Beef/Paul Maud Dib/MiddleAgedMayhem and now danielreyes.

      • yes2truth

        @ sharonjorgen

        “PAUL IS A HYPOCRITE and transgressor…WHY would he not always ‘speak wisely through the holy spirit, stating the LAW’?!”

        The only hypocrite is you with an unhealthy dose of plug ignorant arrogance.

        • danielreyes

          Youre correct at one thing, you think. The scripture says another, it was Paul who said this!

          Paul was all things to all men so that he may win them to Christ. This scenario though is quite different. As you can tell he threatened the high priest out of anger which is evil. Im sure God didnt want to hit the whitewashed wall because it would have been done at that very moment. Though he is whitewashed as easily as one could spot that you are. The law is grace, having regard for a ruler and everyone is critical. Not just externally but internally, sometimes that even means speaking a truth nobody else would say.

          I never denied that I wasnt a type of pharisee uncircumsized in heart, im seeking a way on how to be better, what I can do. I know Christ died for all and we’re free of sin and blameless but changed people try and do right by Gods word because we do believe. Ever constantly in fear, working it out every day.

          Didnt mean to come off a certain way, just speak from scripture as I know it always trying to get wiser. Also I apologize for calling you impatient, you have a lot of people to deal with and by the way youre okay yes2truth but we strive to be perfect as our Father is, nothing is impossible!

          Now for Sharonjorgen..

          Pauls conscience was clear to that very day because God planned for him to act wickedly, being studious under the law as a pharisee and moved in the heart to repent. He may have seemed evil but more than half of the new testament books were written through him by the power of the holy spirit. Paul glorified God so God glorified him, simple enough.

          You quote correctly but dont understand. We should all love our neighbor, also we should have higher regard for everyone else. Even above ourselves but if we have regard for only the rich, or attractive, then we are transgressors. Or in your case, no regard for rulers in power, youre the transgressor that you speak of. Christ says if we are brought before higher powers for a testimony, then speak the truth. If persecuted for the truth, so be it but have respect and regard for them always. Even Christ was reviled but never reviled in return. Youre a Zealot with no wisdom, can be a scary thing.

          It was Pauls heart that changed, when will you attempt to actually discern the Word?

        • yes2truth

          @ danielreyes

          You said:

          “Paul was all things to all men so that he may win them to Christ.”

          Precisely and that’s why he was angry at the high priest. Paul had more authority than the High Priest. Anger of itself is not a sin.

          You said:

          “The law is grace.”

          This is not true. Grace is a ‘law’ unto itself, thereby replacing The Law that condemns us.

          “Having regard for a ruler and everyone is critical.”

          I have no regard for anyone claiming to be a ruler. I have only one ‘ruler’ – The Father God in heaven and He ‘rules’ me as a loving Father.

          You said:

          “Im seeking a way on how to be better, what I can do.”

          NOTHING – so stop wasting your time seeking and start believing ‘cos there is no way YOU can make YOU better. Yashua Anointed is the one who will ‘make you better’ (your words not mine) through tough trials in this life.

          You said:

          “I know Christ died for all and we’re free of sin and blameless but changed people try and do right by Gods word because we do believe.”

          Not quite right – you do what you can because you’re already sinless and perfect, so you have an obligation to live up to that perfection that is already yours. You will never stop sinning, but your desire NOT to sin must always be present. Hence Paul said the things he wanted or desired to do were the very things he ended up not doing.

          You said:

          “Ever constantly in fear, working it out every day.”

          If you’re in fear, then there is something seriously wrong with your belief system. Fear is the opposite of love.

          You said:

          “But we strive to be perfect as our Father is, nothing is impossible!”

          Your striving is not worth a dime, so pack up striving and just start believing that you have already been made perfect by His death and resurrection and your belief and faith in Him.

        • sharonjorgen

          @ danielreyes What better example than Jesus Christ himself, whose ‘smart mouth’ did indeed get him smacked.

          19 The high priest then asked Jesus of his disciples, and of his doctrine.

          20 Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.

          21 Why askest thou me? ask them which heard me, what I have said unto them: behold, they know what I said.

          22 And when he had thus spoken, one of the officers which stood by struck Jesus with the palm of his hand, saying, Answerest thou the HIGH PRIEST so?

          23 Jesus answered him, If I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil: but if well, why smitest thou me?

          John 18

          You wrote “If persecuted for the truth, so be it but have respect and regard for them [higher powers] always”. This is Paul’s doctrine as found in Romans chapter 13…not Messiah’s (“And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony AGAINST them and the Gentiles.” Matthew 10:18)

          CHOOSE today which one you are going to follow:
          Did Pharisee Paul make promises he backed up by raising the dead?!
          Jesus said “Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep MY saying, he shall never see death.” John 8:51

        • yes2truth

          @ SharonMoron

          You said:

          Did Pharisee Paul make promises he backed up by raising the dead?!
          Jesus said “Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep MY saying, he shall never see death.” John 8:51

          Here you display your Scriptural ignorance and Spiritual blindness for ALL to see:

          What death was Yashua Anointed referring too and which death are you erroneously applying to this verse?

          And Saul was The Pharisee, NOT Paul.

          Go here and learn something for the first time in your wretched blasphemous evil life:

          /religion/2013/02/did-the-apostle-paul-say-i-am-a-pharisee-2448918.html

        • sharonjorgen

          Presumptuous much! Yes2Makingstuffup
          “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” Matthew 10:28

          Physically raising the dead was a demonstration [of God's power and] of a spiritual reality that Christ invites his hearers to partake of. Paul couldn’t enliven a turnip, his words are death –

          24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

          25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

          26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

          27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

          28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

          29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

          John 5

        • yes2truth

          @ Sharon Blaspheming Moron

          NO – all the assumptions and presumptions are yours, because your comment just proved that you are Spiritually dead and have no Spiritual understanding whatsoever.

          You have no idea of what “death” Yashua Anointed was referring to.

          You see, your one dimensional mind is locked into the physical – the flesh and it revolves solely around the flesh which of course fits in nicely with your literal only reading of The Holy Scriptures and your blasphemies against Paul and The Grace Message of the True Gospel which is Spiritual in nature.

          In effect you are a 21st century Pharisee and only outer darkness awaits you unless you repent forthwith.

    • danielreyes

      Thank you for your God given insights. These ideas are still difficult to grasp, ive been reading now 2-3 years or so, just a beginner still. Youre right in my need to humble myself, become more meek and obedient. Thank you again for the honesty.

      God bless.

      • Truthseeker

        Danielreyes,

        If you humble yourself and become more meek and obedient, you are doing it yourself.
        You are the Clay, God the Father is the Master Potter, besides if you do it, will it be the results God the Father wants?

        God the Father and Jesus Christ want those that are Willing, they will do the rest.

        • Natsal

          Amen TS !

          If we could humble ourselves, , we would BE our own sufficiency !

          Remember Job !

          Our will is our sacrafice living…arms wide open… heart exposed !

        • yes2truth

          @ Natsal

          We humble oursleves AFTER The Father has called us. Humbling ourselves is our response to that call.

          If you are not called, you are not His.

          Your “amen’s” to LiesSeeker are a disgrace and an evil.

        • Truthseeker

          yes2truth

          you are starting to contradict yourself, first you say there is nothing we must do
          then you turn around and say ” we must humble our selves!

          Which is it? Christ did it all for us — or we have to earn salvation by doing things like humbling and becoming meek? By the way what is the definition of meekness?

          Call me what ever names you like, it is no matter to me, as only Jesus Christ is judging me, not you –

        • yes2truth

          There are no contradictions, just your Spiritual blindness.

          Nothing happens until The Father calls and we are then moved by The Holy Spirit. – Moved to humble oursleves – moved to repent – moved to confess our sins.

          This is a concept that you do not understand making you more blind than blind.

        • Natsal

          Y2
          Correction to you, You missed the point.
          No way in this world can you or anyone else humble themselves before Father without His help ! To even mental assent to thinking you can humble yourself before Almighty God without His help is prideful & arrogant. Book of Job demonstrates this beautifully. It’s ALL about Father & His Son Jesus Christ! Not what man can do.
          Amen to TS!
          Flush your own toilet, keep chasing your tail in the downward circle, OR choose tshuva, turn, repent & chase your tail no more.

        • yes2truth

          It’s also strange how Yashua Anointed is judging you, when He is not judging me – He is my friend and my elder Brother who tells me via my brother Paul that I am no longer condemned.

          What kind of brother would it be that would judge His younger brother?

          Just another weird idea of your satanic religion revealed for ALL to see. :lol: :lol: :lol:

        • yes2truth

          @ Natsal

          Why don’t you stupid people read comments before you type your irrelevant crap?

          Now read it this time you irritating ignoramous.

          “We humble oursleves AFTER THE FATHER HAS CALLED US. Humbling ourselves is our response to that call.

          If you are not called, you are not His.

          Your “amen’s” to LiesSeeker are a disgrace and an evil.”

        • Natsal

          You can not humble yourself on your own period. Before sonship after sonship. In fellowship out of fellowship. You can not respond to His calling without Him period.
          Flush your own daang toilet.

          I’m beginning to wonder if you are truly a male!?!

        • yes2truth

          @ Natsal

          So when The Father calls us we’re on our own then? DOH!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

          Do you know if you actually ever got round to engaging your brain you would be very dangerous indeed!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

        • Natsal

          Amen to you Truthseeker !!!

          In this world of lies,, Y2 seek out the Truth regarding Sonship, the function & operations of “fellowship” with the Father & His Son Jesus Christ. 1John. When a child of God the Father sins (breaks fellowship with Him, disobeys) the child walks in darkness (walks as the flesh leads in its Lusts) upon confession of sins to the Father, Father is (faithful & just) He forgives & cleanses. Hence fellowship RESTORED.
          A son, a daughter of Almighty God can not humble himself without God. Job had to learn this the hard way. We can not even respond to His Lovingkindness without Him. He gets the Glory for everything we get zero. The old sin nature wants desires glory. So what, Renew the mind. Stop chasing your tail !

        • yes2truth

          @ Numpty Natsal

          John 6:44 (KJV) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

          John 6:65 (KJV) And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

        • Natsal

          Amen to your heart behind your words, Truthseeker !
          Thanks for your honesty !

          Y2, keep seeking Truth, that’s the only way you’ll find it.
          So what if I read over your comment..
          In Seeing your history of words here, the fruit that produces most all of your words is very undesirable… dark…. Devil spirits can toss out scripture & comment.
          Reading over your words is very easily done because of YOU not me.
          The thoughts & intents of the heart, the hidden secrets, God sees clearly.
          The heart behind the words!
          LovingKindness in it’s function is not nicy nice nor does it always feel good, but it is true care, true concern and true comfort ! Most all of your words have none.
          Keeep seeeking Truth, that’s the ONLY way your gonna find it ! Amen !
          If you truly are a female, why do you choose to come across as male?
          Thoughts anyone??

        • yes2truth

          @ Numpty Natsal

          You said:

          “Amen to your heart behind your words, Truthseeker ! Thanks for your honesty !”

          This is an evil of evils when someone declares evil as good or honest – the work and words of a Pharisee.

          You then said:

          “Y2, keep seeking Truth, that’s the only way you’ll find it.”

          This again blatantly displays your Scriptural ignorance for ALL to see, because I already KNOW THE TRUTH for Yashua Anointed IS THE TRUTH and I know HIM.

          You blind Judaising mongrel dogs are still SEEKING The Truth because you don’t even know who The Truth is or what The Truth is. That’s why you and the other wretch LiesSeeker are still seeking and, of course, will never find unless you repent.

          You said:

          “So what if I read over your comment..”

          Of course you’ll read over what I say, because you’re a stranger to The Truth and cannot handle The Truth nor accept Him or it. Like the illegitimate LiesSeeker you’re earning your own salvation.

          You said:

          “In Seeing your history of words here, the fruit that produces most all of your words is very undesirable… dark…. Devil spirits can toss out scripture & comment.”

          You have no understanding of The Word, and your ignoring of those two verses from John in my previous comment just proves it. If you were of The Truth – Yashua Anointed, you would have admitted your errors and have no trouble with my words, for my words are His Words.

          You said:

          “Reading over your words is very easily done because of YOU not me.”

          This is just a hollow claim, now proven, and an excuse for your error filled mind.

          You said:

          “The thoughts & intents of the heart, the hidden secrets, God sees clearly.
          The heart behind the words!”

          I would apply these judgmental words to yourself and then repent – if you know what’s good for you.

          You said:

          “LovingKindness in it’s function is not nicy nice nor does it always feel good, but it is true care, true concern and true comfort ! Most all of your words have none.”

          You interpret fallaciously this way because you are in disagreement with The Truth. A BIG PROBLEM for you, not me.

          You said:

          “Keeep seeeking Truth, that’s the ONLY way your gonna find it ! Amen !”

          I already KNOW THE TRUTH and I already KNOW what HE HAS DONE FOR ME – EVERYTHING – UNLIKE YOU!!

          You finally said:

          “If you truly are a female, why do you choose to come across as male?”

          The only thing you have got right – I am a man – give her a peanut. :lol: :lol: :lol:

          It’s only Pharisees.Liar the verminous anti-Paul sewer rat that thinks I am a woman which, is just about right for him, because he gets everything else wrong too. A Judaising mongrel dog of dogs he is.

          Now all you have to do now is repent and confess your wicked sins and errors to Yashua Anointed.

        • Natsal

          “Amen & Amen” to your heart, behind your words Truthseeker !

          y2
          Your voice hiding behind scripture is identified.
          You know where you are headed & your not in a rush to get there.
          Rest in no peace as you exist.

        • yes2truth

          @ Numpty Natsal

          Your comments are getting weaker and more pathetic with each posting like this this one:

          ““Amen & Amen” to your heart, behind your words Truthseeker!”

          LiesSeeker has a heart of stone where The Law cannot be written, not that he needs or wants that because his faith is in those hard stones that Moses had. :lol: :lol: :lol:

          You said:

          “Your voice hiding behind scripture is identified.”

          Identified by whom? I’ll tell you, someone who is not qualified to comment on anything Scriptural i.e. someone who says “amen amen” to a Judaising mongrel dog and son of the Devil.

          You then laughably said:

          “You know where you are headed & your not in a rush to get there. Rest in no peace as you exist.”

          You’re the one on the wide path rushing head long to destruction (spiritual ruin) that MANY find.

          I am one of a FEW and on the narrow path.

          If you repent of your evil satanic ways I will gladly teach you and help you to find that narrow path as your blindness will take a while to heal. :lol: :lol: :lol:

      • yes2truth

        @ danielreyes

        You’re welcome.

        But remember, The Truth is not an idea, The Truth is just The Truth and Yashua Anointed IS The Truth, and you either believe or don’t believe in His TOTAL redemptive sacrifice. Belief and Faith is all that is required of you and to then display the fruits of The Spirit i.e. to love God etc. etc.

        The only ones with ideas are those deluded numb skulls who commentate on this thread and, of course, all the millions like them within the satanic Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion – LiesSeeker being one of the ‘best’ stiff necked examples of them – a blind guide of blind guides.

        Re humility I should have made it clear that unless The Father is calling you to His Son you will not be able to humble yourself, nor will you have the DESIRE to do so. Everything regarding our birthing is down to The Father and The Son and through The Holy Spirit – Their Power.

        Meekness has nothing to do with humility. Meekness is Power under control and you will not have that Power until you’re Baptised into Yashua Anointed’s name alone and you receive the Gift of The Holy Spirit.

        Re obediencem, you only obey The Call. Once you’re Baptised and birthed in Him everything you now do is because you WANT TO do it, NOT because you HAVE TO.

        Just leave all the obeying to the blaspheming 21st century Pharisees on this thread. :lol: :lol: :lol:

    • Truthseeker

      yes2truth

      I know by now you are ‘allergic’ to logic, but

      Why should you care one way or the other regarding the Law?

      your doctrine of grace makes it impossible for you to sin, would that not mean even with the Law still in force — you can not sin??

      Whether the law is in or out it should have no effect upon you, you are perfect already!
      and I would believe out of the reach of the Law?

      For a person that already has obtained eternal life, why do you care so much about GOD’s HOLY LAW?

      It seems your main purpose in life is to make sure the law is dead.

      • yes2truth

        @ LiesSeeker

        Galatians 2:19-20 For I through the Law [under the operation of the curse of the Law] have [in Christ’s death for me] myself died to the Law and all the Law’s demands upon me, so that I may [henceforth] live to and for God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ [in Him I have shared His crucifixion]; it is no longer I who live, but Christ (the Messiah) lives in me; and the life I now live in the body I live by faith in (by adherence to and reliance on and complete trust in) the Son of God, Who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

        Read the above Holy Scriptures and let them permeate your addled brain and heal that wretched addled brain of yours.

        You said:

        “I know by now you are ‘allergic’ to logic, but.”

        Unfortunately you know nothing and I have no allergy to logic other than your logic and, our logic, without The Holy Spirit leading that logic, is useless.

        You said:

        “Why should you care one way or the other regarding the Law?”

        This is a very judgmental question.

        I care regarding The Law, because I love The Law and, I love The Law, because it no longer condemns me. It no longer condemns me because it is now written on my heart and that means that I Love God and keep His New Covenant Commandments of Love of Him and my brothers and sisters. Hence:

        Rom 13:8 (KJV) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled The Law.

        I am loving you by teaching you The Truth, so I have fulfilled The Law!!!!

        When do you intend on giving up your stubborn law based foolishness and becoming my brother under His Grace?

        You said:

        “Your doctrine of grace makes it impossible for you to sin, would that not mean even with the Law still in force — you can not sin??”

        It is not a doctrine. The Truth is NOT a doctrine. Grace is not a doctrine, Grace is a free undeserved gift, as is faith. Grace nullifies The Law. Grace is a law unto itself. Only those people NOT UNDER GRACE are UNDER THE LAW. Where do you stand? Are you saved or not saved. Are you still with the lost and unsaved or are you Born of God – Born Anew – Born Again?

        There is no half-way house to this i.e. half-saved and again i.e. that wretched and evil no-mans land that you occupy!!

        1 John 3:9 (KJV) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for HIS SEED remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

        Do not quote Holy Scriptures wickedly to counter what this verse clearly and unabiguously states.

        You said:

        “Whether the law is in or out it should have no effect upon you, you are perfect already!
        and I would believe out of the reach of the Law?”

        Of course I am perfect already. HE MAKES US PERFECT. That’s why I keep asking you HOW YOU ARE GOING TO BECOME PERFECT IN ORDER TO ENTER THE KINGDOM, because IMPERFECT people will NOT enter therein?

        Of course I am out of reach of The Law, for all reasons cited above. READ AND UNDERSTAND!!!!!!

        You said:

        “For a person that already has obtained eternal life, why do you care so much about GOD’s HOLY LAW?”

        Because I love God’s Law.

        You said:

        “It seems your main purpose in life is to make sure the law is dead.”

        My main purpose in life is to follow Yashua Anointed, because He has saved me from the condemnation of The Law.

        I cannot make sure The Law is dead – The Law is God’s Law only He can render The Law dead which, He did at the cross for those who believe and follow HIM!!!!!!

        • danielreyes

          Your faith is remarkable, it seems many peoples biggest problem is they dont believe God forgives so easily. Many passages are great for this and ive had a problem with this issue also..

          To be justified with passages such as the lost coin, lost sheep and prodigal son. My favorite is the 2 debtors, with the woman weeping on Christs feet. They all paint a wonderful picture of the Fathers forgiveness and attitude toward us if only we repent and stopped in our sin.

          Many of these passages bring tears to my eyes and with ever more understanding it effects me all the more.

          Youve clarified many things for me yes2truth, thank you and God bless.

        • yes2truth

          Thanks for your encouraging words.

          And remember you cannot stop sinning, for your dead body of sin will always sin. It’s your atttude to sin that matters. ALWAYS remember that your desire to not sin must become stronger and stronger as you mature in the knowledge of your God given perfect and sinless state – the new man.

          Read this for a better understanding:

          /spirit/2013/05/was-the-apostle-paul-a-schizophrenic-romans-714-25-2477586.html?currentSplittedPage=1

          Re my faith, that is down to Him, for He has led me and carried me this far and through many hard trials of this life.

          It is only through the the trials of this life that we grow in faith. We carry our crosses and that is all we should carry apart from His Light yoke, so don’t let the Judasiers make your yoke heavy.

          The Law and striving to obey The Law will only ever make the yoke heavy.

        • Truthseeker

          you have twisted the Word of God into knots.

        • yes2truth

          Prove it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          Show me how and where?

        • Truthseeker

          yes2truth,

          my last short comment was too brief and cold, for that I am sorry.

          I have come with a few articles on the Holy Law of God, you have berated every one.
          We can not walk together as we are far apart on some things especially the Law.

          I have been working on another study on the Sacrifice of Christ and the Law, it will be posted,
          soon, 5 to 10 days I would guess. I would ask you read it objectively in its entirety, at the least you will see what I read in the WORD and how it is different from what you see. It is long, that is unavoidable concerning the subject .

        • yes2truth

          @ LiesSeeker

          You said:

          “My last short comment was too brief and cold, for that I am sorry.”

          I don’t want your apologies I want to see you repent.

          You said:

          “I have come with a few articles on the Holy Law of God, you have berated every one.
          We can not walk together as we are far apart on some things especially the Law.”

          I don’t need your articles on The Law because they are a satanic in nature and evil beyond measure. I have already told you that you turn The Holy Scriptures into the poison of Asps due to your vile perversions of those Scriptures.

          You said:

          “I have been working on another study on the Sacrifice of Christ and the Law, it will be posted,
          soon, 5 to 10 days I would guess. I would ask you read it objectively in its entirety, at the least you will see what I read in the WORD and how it is different from what you see. It is long, that is unavoidable concerning the subject.”

          I wouldn’t waste your time if I were you and yes I will read it and then shred it. If it’s long and complicated (confusing) everyone will know it’s of the Devil, because there is a simplicity that is in Christ.

    • Mister Fred

      Matthew 5:17-20

      “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

      • Mister Fred

        Now…. Did he mean that until everything was accomplished (meaning fulfilling all the prophesies, including his death and resurrection)? If it was all fulfilled, then we are no longer bound by the law…

      • yes2truth

        Read and inwardly digest these verses:

        Galatians 2:19-20 For I through the Law [under the operation of the curse of the Law] have [in Christ’s death for me] myself died to the Law and all the Law’s demands upon me, so that I may [henceforth] live to and for God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ [in Him I have shared His crucifixion]; it is no longer I who live, but Christ (the Messiah) lives in me; and the life I now live in the body I live by faith in (by adherence to and reliance on and complete trust in) the Son of God, Who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

        Yashua Anointed was under The Law, NOT under Grace.

        Go here and learn something:

        /spirit/2013/05/heaven-and-earth-shall-pass-away-but-my-words-shall-not-pass-away-2477724.html

      • Truthseeker

        And my righteousness is not of myself, it does not come from me, Jesus Christ covered me with His Blood which blotted out my sins, making me righteous in the eyes of God the Father.

        My own righteousness is a filthy rag. There is not one human that is righteous in God’s sight, the righteousness of the Saints is given them by Jesus Christ. If it doesn’t come from Christ it is worthless filth.

        • yes2truth

          If you are truly Born of God then you can have no righteousness of your own. If you are Born of God you are a new man – a new creature – perfect and sinless residing in a dead body of sin. Such a man has no righteousness of his own.

          The fact that you are still claiming to have a righteousness of your own proves you are NOT Born of God.

          Again you prove that you have not a single clue as to what it means to be Born of God.

        • Truthseeker

          yes2truth

          I see the problem you can not read.

          Do you study and practice to be obnoxious or does it just come naturally?

          For a new creature – perfect and sinless—- you are sure offensive and very obnoxious.
          I have an extremely difficult time imagining you as a nice person much less a Saint.

          We also disagree on the definition of born again. Actually we do not agree on much of anything.

        • yes2truth

          @ LiesSeeker

          You said:

          “I see the problem you can not read.”

          No No NO, you can see NOTHING, for you are a blind guide of blind guides, a Judaising mongrel dog.

          “Do you study and practice to be obnoxious or does it just come naturally?”

          I could say all these things about you (apart from the racial element), because they would be true, so would they be obnoxious?

          “Generation (race) of vipers” “Throats like open graves” “Whited walls” Whited sepulchres” “sons of the Devil.”

          You said:

          “For a new creature – perfect and sinless—- you are sure offensive and very obnoxious.”

          No it’s you that is obnoxious. And your words are Pharisaical, erroneous, satanic, ignorant, blasphemous, evil and from a throat like an open grave.

          You said:

          “I have an extremely difficult time imagining you as a nice person much less a Saint.”

          Just as well then that we don’t have to be ‘nice’ in order to be a saint, just called of the Father to His Son – called and chosen.

          You should read up on what Samuel did to that king whom King Saul failed to kill. Was that ‘nice’? :lol: :lol: :lol: Can’t wait for all your mealy mouthed explaining away on that one.

          You said:

          “We also disagree on the definition of born again.”

          You mention my alleged poor ability at reading so I’ll quote this again as your reading abilities seem to be far worse than mine:

          I said:

          “Again you prove that you have not a single clue as to what it means to be Born of God.”

          You said:

          “Actually we do not agree on much of anything.”

          Correct, and nor will we until the day of your repentance.

      • yes2truth
        • Mister Fred

          Christianity has been diluted, tainted, turned into a salad bar of dogmatic filth.. Too many times it has been compromised by paganism to the point where people have no business calling themselves Christians because to be Christian is to be Christ like…. There is nowhere in the bible that says that we must pray to the mother of Jesus… But it does say that the only way to the Father is through Jesus.

        • yes2truth

          Hello MISTER FRED ROGERS.

          Have you learn’t that the title ‘MR’ is a sign of your enslaved condition? If you want to be set free then you had better start reading my articles.

          The Truth can NEVER be diluted – The Truth is The Truth IS Yashua Anointed – He is The Truth.

          Now are YOU of Yashua Anointed – Baptised, full immersion, into His Name alone (not into the pagan trinity) or are you a wretched man of Religion – The Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion?

          You said:

          “But it does say that the only way to the Father is through Jesus.”

          That is correct, but The Father MUST call us FIRST to His Son:

          John 6:44 (KJV) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

          John 6:65 (KJV) And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

          After this has occured we then have access to The Father through His Son.

        • Mister Fred

          Actually…. The name that I chose for this site is not a title of enslavement, but mearly a carefully selected disguise for this site.. It serves being wholesome as well as sort of an irony of someone called Mister Rogers talking about subjects like this.. :grin:
          Truth can be diluted in the trivialization of the word of God, which there are plenty of denominations, as well as individuals, who have taken what God has given to us and diluted it, twisted it, and turned it into something to serve them, when they shouldshould be using it to help others.. Instead they line their pockets, building castles made of sand. (i.e. Benny Hinn, Joel Olsteen, etc) Thereby making a mockery of the sacrifice that Jesus made for us.
          But you yourself have twisted the Word because it does not say to baptize in the name of the son alone as you have said.. However it does say in Mathew 28:19 “Go he therefore and teach all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost”.

          I myself have received by this scripture and have supplied others by it…

        • Mister Fred

          Although…. As far as the name thing is concerned…. Mr. Rogers could have had this conversation because he was a minister. :grin:

        • BEEF SUPREME

          Old Fred,

          As much as it pains me to corroborate any of Crabby’s claims, I’m afraid he’s got a point on this one. The verse to which you make reference, Matthew 28:19, is shown conclusively to be a late corruption. The verse was changed to reflect the Trinitarian doctrine, probably by the same glossator responsible for the ‘Comma Johanneum’ (1 John 5:7-8), which likewise was altered to support false doctrine.

          The fact that Matthew 28:19 does not today exist in its original form can be aptly demonstrated by examining many of the earliest writings of first century “Church Fathers” who took copious notes, including quotations of the original New Testament writings, which they had at their disposal. Eusebius alone quoted the verse in question no fewer than 80 times in all of his pre-Nicene writing.

          The evidence is entirely supportive of legitimate baptism being performed in Messiah’s Name only.

        • yes2truth

          @ MR FRED ROGERS

          If you go by the title MR ANYBODY then you are a slave. The Vatican claims ownership of ALL Titles.

          Hinn and Olsteen are purveyors of lies so do not have The Truth. The Truth is Yashua Anointed and He cannot be diluted.

          Surprisingly, Ecoli Beef has answered your other point.

    • RAINSCRYPT

      “titles denote but what’s in a name” anna graham

      • yes2truth

        “We HAVE a name and a title but we are neither” yes2truth

      • BEEF SUPREME

        What’s an Anna Graham for yes to truth?

        shutter toy?

        horse tutty?

        otter tushy?

        thy touters?

        • yes2truth

          Fotunately none of them gives one food poisoning or, worse, spiritual food poisoning like Ecoli Beef.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          How do you know, Crabby?

          Have you ever eaten otter tushy?

        • yes2truth

          @ Ecoli Beef

          You’re getting confused again with the utter tosh that you write continually. :lol: :lol: :lol:

      • RAINCAT

        Note to a Good Friend

        November 22, 2013

        This was the day I opened The Shakespeare Case, “titles denote but what’s in a name”. a grand, aggrandizing multi-faceted-farious Crypt pattern.. a search for the Synchronous Frequencies.. and it’s all a puzzle. Everything is puzzle. That’s a reason for being.. the great riddles made manifest.

        This day was the 50th anniversary of the death of JFK.

        From a now dead stone temple pilot:

        I am smellin’ like the rose
        that somebody gave me on
        my birthday deathbed
        I am smellin’ like the rose
        that somebody gave me
        ’cause I’m dead & bloated

        I run through the world thinkin’ ’bout tomorrow, thinkin’ ’bout tomorrow

        So, run with it.. and by the way, heh, Where Is Red Mann?

        • AlephBetBlog_org

          Dead for standing up for truth. 50 is a grand jubilee you know. 7×7+1. We’ll see who gets there first. 2001 – 2008 (7). 2008 – 2015 (7). Add 1. Valentines day was a warning, but not to me. Deny Ignorance! Which is to be master….that’s all. Di (Tao 11) Crypt this!

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SPqImu_kz8

          https://www.reddit.com/r/riddles/comments/4fl76a/lost_island_of_karma_whats_the_point_in_this/

        • AlephBetBlog_org

          Dead for standing up for truth. 50 is a grand jubilee you know. JFK wasn’t a success for the rejectors, it was a warning to them. 7×7+1. We’ll see who gets there first. 2001 – 2008 (7). 2008 – 2015 (7). Add 1. Valentines day was a warning, but not to me. Deny Ignorance! Which is to be master….that’s all. Di (Tao 11) Crypt this!

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SPqImu_kz8

          https://www.reddit.com/r/riddles/comments/4fl76a/lost_island_of_karma_whats_the_point_in_this/

          • AlephBetBlog_org

            You are looking for the hidden token. The silly token in the poem below was for another purpose, but the message in the riddle is far more profound. Lost. Island. Why the crypt of the bard? What did the relative to do my send link above? Why did they delete JFK? Light reveals what it hits. Not only are time / space an opportunity, relatives are also a means to an end. Who is the man in black bottled up on the Island with Jacob? What’s the cure for madness and anger, which are the same relative state? Virtue and Wisdom.

            LOST ISLAND OF Karma
            – A Riddle Song of Souls Lost

            I was once lost on an island.
            Naked and wet as could be.
            Endlessly searching for contact
            Empty of hope was me.

            Desperate for help
            Kept company by time
            All I could think about
            Rung out to the chime

            Madness overtook me
            Anger my theme
            Pour were my waters
            Over the stream

            I knew there was hope
            Not doubting my Kind
            True were my friends
            Salvation to Mind

            Never will you guess
            Oh my nature evolve
            What kindness you offer, when riddle you SOLVE!

        • AlephBetBlog_org

          Crypt this. What is the meaning of Valentine’s day, and who was murdered on that event horizon of that day? The bricks are falling. Cut off a person’s head. That head is their own soul as cash in the transaction.

          http://theweek.com/10things/597294/10-things-need-know-today-february-14-2016

          Event Horizon. 50. Canh was off for ONE reason. http://alephbetblog.blogspot.com/2015/09/shemitah-jonathan-cahn-and-why-we-still.html

          • Anonymous

            AH..

            I have only returned to this page. I’m impressed by your response, and that you responded. I have matters and whatall to attend to and will be back to your side of the bin later. Wheel keep turning.

            I was once asked, Do you speak English or do you speak English?

            Yes, I spoke it.

            • yes2truth

              Will you bunch of lunatics take a hike and take your irrelevant crap comments with you. Thank you.

            • RAINSCRYPT

              oh.. IT’S ALIVE! IT’S ALIVE!

              Good thing I wore a hazmat suit.

            • yes2truth

              Oh yes and definitely more alive than you, your being dead from the knees up. Tell me, how does a walking corpse like you manage to type comments with his forehead? :grin:

            • Anonymous

              haha…!

              Funny thing is, bangin’ the keyboard with my forehead kickstarts the pinecone.

            • yes2truth

              No doubt EVERYTHING you do requires a kickstart. :lol: :lol: :lol: A pity it’s never anything useful eh? :shock:

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