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“Are you positive you know the timing and sequence of events regarding the Lord’s Supper, Passover, death, burial and Resurrection of our Savior on “The Third day”?”
All these festival origins take a bit of explaining, more than can be achieved in a comment box. However I’ll outline the basics, and it’s up to you to do further research.
First of all you should picture the cross, this makes it easier to work out when they take place. The most ancient forms are a simple circle overlaid onto a cross, which depicts the solar calendar. Here is a good example of various crosses used for the purpose: http://d4nations.com/webpubl/images/crosses.jpg
The circle depicts Earth, the cross depicts the equinox and solstice points as markers of the Solar transit.
The Passover, is when the sun ‘passes over’ the spring equinox. Where the day and night are equal in length.
Easter, is when the sun has passed over the spring equinox and starts rising in the astronomical house of the lamb, Aries. Aries is now on the dawn horizon and rises with the sun. Which is why Easter always comes after the Passover. And why lambs blood is symbolic with both the Passover and Easter, because of Aries. Lambs are born this time of year, and they sacrificed their first born ram lambs.
Christmas originates from the observation that the sun drops to the lowest point on the horizon on the winter solstice 21st December (longest night), stays at that low point for three days without moving above or dropping further below the horizon. Hence the 3 days in the cave/grave/tomb, followed by a resurrection 3 days later as the sun starts it’s climb back into the sky on the 25th December.
The Christian crucifix is more ancient than Christianity, here is the ancient Greek version Dionysus = Ysus = Jesus dying on the cross.
It is exactly the same as the simple cross and circle variation, you have note the position of Dionysus/Jesus’s head in relation to the horizontal equinox line. Is it on, above or below it. This Greek depiction that predates Christianity: http://www.allmystery.de/dateien/gw54029,1242475820,dionysus_on_cross.gif Depicts the head slightly above the horizontal equinox line, which indicates it main emphasis is resurrection, a celebration of the renewal of life, rather than it’s death.
The Eucharist, Last Supper is very ancient and symbolises taking something on, or in. It’s a play on ‘you are what you eat’. Ritualistic cannibalism is the idea that you take the properties of another by literally eating them, and one of the most primitive ancient pagan traditions.
The OT was created by Jews. Judaism didn’t exist until after 70 CE, based on the laws of the political group the Pharisees. Jesus was not a Pharisee, not Jewish. The OT is not history, it does not match history in any way. There is some evidence of their travels from Egypt to Judah but not in the form described in the OT.
The NT is equally muddled and does not describe history. Both are based on the political thought and belief intolerant dictatorship of the Pharisees 140-37 BCE to just after 70 CE, where it became the basis for Judaism. The NT is more or less Roman Pharisee Paulism.
The Christian/pagan cross on it’s own, basically represents the shadow cast by the sun like a sundial. The horizontal bar represents the equinoxes, they are both the same length. The vertical bar represents the summer and winter solstices, the portion above the horizontal bar being shorter because it’s based on cast shadow.
The upside down cross is representing light. Of course vilified by Christianity because they use the shadow version. The upside down cross originates from the Norsemen traditions who valued light over shadow.
Some crucifix crosses show the head of the character below the horizon/horizontal bar, which is placing more emphasis on the sacrifice, death of life as a sacrifice for the new, rather than the renewal of life it’self.
This is a very complex subject I hope you understand, it’s not a simple question of who invented what when, many of these festivals and the symbology are extremely ancient, we are talking 10’000 plus years ago, there are many variations of the same with different emphasis.
When the Unification Church was Unifying at Nicaea…Their genius is well hidden but in plain view. To appease the sun gods the circle behind the cross was for that reason. It depicted the sun. Sun pagans liked that. Then to appease the cannibal blood scarifies people they invented the blood sacrifice of the body and bread eating Christ instead of burning animals and humans. Then to stop all the religious wars they dumped the old gods of war and invented a new god of guilt inventing the most horrendous of all stories to decimate the human spirit into objective servitude and constant self flagellation in an attempt to appease their horrible crime of being of original sin and killing the most perfect human god/man to have ever existed with their sin of existence. Don’t you feel Unified?
This is ONE of my thoughts on this. http://sk1951.wordpress.com/2013/10/20/is-religion-an-illness/?preview=true&preview_id=1458&preview_nonce=89347b505c&post_format=standard
There is a new train of thought on the Unifying at Nicea, that it wasn’t that all. But Constantines Greek version of Mithraism which has Dionysus as the symbolic sacrificial/resurrected icon that represents the seasonal life cycles on Earth. Constantine was educated in Greece and was a zealous devout follower of Mithras. Mithras was a male only warrior cult, hence all the war and military references, eg putting on the amour of god, double edged swords, most of the Christian rituals originate from Mithraism. His bible no longer exists.
Christianity is basically Mithraism wearing a new name. Mithraic chapels were subterranean and more than a few of the older churches have Mithraic catacombs/cellars, including the Vatican. Mithraism died the death as an organised religion, (identical to Christianities church hierarchy, costumes the lot), at exactly the same time Christianity took over.
God meant anything and everything that can and does affect your life. Not as per the Pharisees claim of a single entity with absolute oppressive authority. The Pharisees were a political group, not a religion.
Shalom Pix, thank you for the excellent information about the history and use of the cross, Christmas and Dionysus, Jesus, the Eucharist
you are right
I do not believe that Yahushua (the Hebrew Messiah the real one revealed in the Scriptures versus the Solar Deity’s messiah-impersonator they superimposed upon the Scriptural teachings/words) ever said to ‘take, eat, this is my body, take, drink, this is my blood’.
That would have been totally abhorrent to say to a group of Jews. Yahushua would never have been so rude or so offensive to his brethren, who have been raised since infance to abhor the eating or drinking of blood.
The eating of human flesh and the drinking of blood is intrinisic, however, always, to the religion of Baal, Molech, Saturn, Cronos, who started it all. Cannibal comes from priest of Baal, Cahn, preist, and Baal, who they serve. (a title of Molech, Saturn, Kronos their God).
They are the ones who put that in there, I believe. The Bible especially the new test. has had many augmentations, deletions, and changes, not to mention the books taken out and destroyed … letters of Paul put ‘in’ to make up for the stolen parts… hehe
Jesus was not Jewish, he was a polytheistic Israelite. Judaism didn’t exist when Jesus was alive. Not until after 70 CE. It based on the so called word of mouth laws of the Pharisees.
Baal is the only begotten son of the solar deity El. who represents the third aspect of the Israelite trinity, balanced solar activity. Baal represents weather, the upshot of sunlight on Earth. The 1st aspect being OsirIS, he represents solar minimum activity, he is chopped to pieces by Set, as in sun set, his penis falls into the Nile and eaten by fish = he becomes impotent. The 2nd aspect is Ra, solar maximum activity, represented by a giant solar eye. osirIS+RA+EL=ISRAEL. They were polytheistic pagans, not Pharisaic monotheists. Monotheism is a fairly new invention.
If there was a real character involved, he was nick named Caesarian, the only begotten son of god the (acting) Roman emperor Julius Caesar via the goddess and Greek Egyptian pharaoh, Cleopatra/Isis Meri.
It is well known that Cleopatra associated herself with Isis being an unmarried young women giving birth to a son of god. Caesarian was born c30 BCE, titled ‘son of god’, ‘heir to the kingdom of god’, ‘in the image of god’, ‘lamb of god’, etc. Fled into exile when his mother killed herself, and eventually captured and crucified on the orders of his rival, the older adopted son of Caesar, Rome’s 1st hereditary Emperor Octavian/Augustus. Before that Rome was a republic.
It would explain a lot, his travels, his temptation in the desert by the devil of being ruler of the world, which would not have worked if he didn’t have the birthright in the first place. Also the tales of him visiting England and India. India claims to have his tomb and that of his wife Mary, he fled there after paying for a substitute to take his place, as was practiced in Judea during that time period.
The timing is perfect. Caesarian gave up his right to rule for the sake of the republic. Historians are not all in agreement about his real name but the consensus is it was Greek: Ἰησοῦς – Iesous.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not disagreeing with your analogy. If Jesus was Jewish, then you would be correct. But he could not possibly have been Jewish when Judaism didn’t exist until after his death, and after the death of Israel in 70 CE.
Israel was wiped of the face of Earth by Rome by meddling bankers and big business owners who manipulated politics to line their own pockets, wage wars to loot other countries and keep power away from the poor, the sick and minorities. They were called the Pharisees or the Patrician class.
Very well said Pix now that is truth!!!
People work so hard to explain fantasy. Amazing.
Thank you, this is very informative. I have wanted to find out, do you know, does anyone know, when the total lunar blood red moon eclipse happens on USA time? I saw it takes place just after midnight on the 14th after the Passover evening, (really technically the 15th, just after midnight) over a period of 3 hours or so… PDT time? What is that?
I would like to know what time zones for Jerusalem and the USA…
also, this is another overlooked perspective as well http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2524892/pg1
I think it pertains to us, directly
and this you may find interesting as well, related to the Passover seal, http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2522852/pg1
Sorry guys
I do not bother studying paganism as there is no future in it but death and what the gentiles did at Nicaea was install paganism as a false church. Catholics are mainly gentiles and their religion is paganism. They do not have one God they have thousands and they have changed every single thing Christ preached and followed. They even worship the queen of heaven?
Everything in my paper came from the WORD of God about which you seem to know nothing.
The word used in God’s Word is stake “Strauros” not a cross! Pix you are exactly right a cross is from paganism it has not one thing to do with Christ.
PIX I am not interested in what you seem to be spending your life studying.
I have told you before what mankind does in the main is lie, why would I care what pagan gentiles think or write where one pedophile moron lies and 10 more swear to it.
Keep studying that swill — I pass.
I study/teach evidence based human history, not religion per say. Religion is just one tiny aspect of it. Religion isn’t based on history, it’s manipulative spin merchant politics. They are all thought and belief intolerant political dictatorships, all dictatorships operate in the same way. You cannot deny your religion is not a political body when you claim your country is Christian/Jewish/Islamic, etc.
PIX
I despise politics, I do not have a religion, religion is of man.
I follow the WAY of Jesus Christ, I follow no man.
Let me make the statement once again; there are 4000 ‘flavor’ of so called christianity.
None of those flavors are of God, they are man made religions, yes they have carved parts of the Bible out and formed a man made religion around it – but that do not make them of God.
Very true pix!! Religion is just a thought(mind)control program! It keeps people locked up in a prison of the mind.
The sad thing Truthseeker is that you follow a Jesus in a book that man created. It can be said that the Roman Elite Aristocrats created this Jesus of the Bible. So it can be said that you follow a government created Jesus.
am 123
At this point I will add one more problem I have with you.
You have the fake drawing of false Christ up. This tells me and all others you have no problem with falsehoods. That “thing” is not Christ and you full well know it and yet you proudly post it and in effect are saying:
I know this could never be the actually likeness of the Savior of the world but even though it is a falsehood and a lie and a fake — I am good with it.
I am not! I hate all lies.
PIX and W. Infidel
The church you seem to have a closeness with is beginning to move, very soon it will call all her daughters home and they will come. The whole world will follow her and worship her. You will be very excited and greatly impressed, it will have real power and do many great impressive things. This fact is all over the net. Listen to what the Evangelist Palmer has to say.
It’s all about politics and who is the authority figure controling everything. All we have ever know apart from one brief moment in time in Rome, all we have know are dictatorships of one form or another. Even our so called modern democracies are not, they are revolving door, PR men fronted dictatorships. There is a very good reason why every USA president has been related to the British Royal family. Same in the UK, every PM with maybe 1 exception are related to the British Royal family.
Jesus gave up kingship, the answer is a republic, the opposite of a dictatorship. Organised anything is a hierarchy based dictatorship. Jesus preached to ‘not left your left hand know what your right hand is doing’ = unorganised. He preached you don’t need organised religion, meet in fellowship anywhere, pull up a log or a rock = a church.
Do not follow other people.
PIX
I realize you can not agree but this is not God’s world, I hate this world, I hate what it is doing to my grand kids and my own children.
All politicians on both sides are nothing but liars and thieves and many are perverts and queers,
The religions are not God’s, the governments are not God’s and society is not even in the ball park.
When I made the statement that all men are liars I mean even the ones that have no reason to lie can’t tell the truth because they have no clue.
Since you can not understand a Creator God, you are with out HOPE. I have proven over the last 47 years that there is a God and He does want the best for me. Trust me I have everything.
But the Good News is you have not had your chance as yet — you will later.
“All politicians on both sides are nothing but liars and thieves and many are perverts and queers,”
What you mean exactly like the 3 main religions with their kiddy fiddling priests, kidnapping native children, forcing them to attend Christian boarding schools and murdering them by the tens of thousands? Or in Australia, turned into domestic staff for the rich white farmers to have an inhouse whore?
It’s not a question of “Since you can not understand a Creator God,”. The fact remains it was invented by humans. We even know by who and when.
“I have proven over the last 47 years that there is a God”
God as in the ‘god of gaps of knowledge’, an abstract expression to cut out a long boring explanation of what ever was affecting your life.
Prove otherwise, by all means.
TS,
According to the article, your timeline is this:
WED – Jesus was crucified.
SAT – Jesus rose from the dead.
That cannot be correct if you are using the Bible as your basis. If you truly believe He rose on Saturday, He would have had to be crucified on Thursday. If He rose on Sunday, He would have had to be crucified on Friday. Here is why:
Jesus told the disciples that He would be raised on the “third day”:
“From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.”
—Matthew 16:21
“For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.”
—Mark 9:31
“Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.”
—Luke 9:22
So then, according to the Word, here is the meaning of the “third day”:
10 And the Lord said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes,
11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the Lord will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.
—Exodus 19:10-11
Notice the sequence described above. The LORD tells Moses to sanctify the people today and tomorrow and then on the third day, He would appear to them. This is not a 72 hour period. The LORD counted today as day 1, tomorrow as day 2, and the following day as day 3. In modern language, one would say the day after tomorrow.
Here is another example of what the “third day” means in Scripture:
5 And if ye offer a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the Lord, ye shall offer it at your own will.
6 It shall be eaten the same day ye offer it, and on the morrow: and if ought remain until the third day, it shall be burnt in the fire.
—Leviticus 19:5-6
Again, we see in the above Scripture that the third day is the day after tomorrow.
And here is Jesus using the same terminology, where the third day means the day after tomorrow:
“And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.”
—Luke 13:32
So given that the “third day” means, in modern terminology, the day after tomorrow, then if Jesus rose to life on Saturday like you claim, He would have had to be crucified on Thursday, not Wednesday.
However, Jesus did rise to life on Sunday, for we see this in the Scriptures:
When the women from Galilee came to look for Jesus, they came on the first day of the week:
“Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.”
—Luke 24:1
Jesus had already told them that He would be crucified and would rise on the third day:
6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
—Luke 24:6-7
So Jesus told them He would be crucified and rise on the third day. So why did the women from Galilee go looking for Jesus on the first day? Because that was the third day after the crucifixion:
19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
—Luke 24:19-21
So they said TODAY (the first day, SUN) is the third day since the crucifixion, which was on the sixth day (FRI).
AM123
Think about this: Christ was placed in the tomb in the moments before sunset on the 14th a Wednesday, as the sun set Thursday the 15th began and it was the first night Christ was in the tomb.
Christ was placed in the tomb at sundown which began Night one, the next sunrise began Day one; the next sundown began Night two, the next sunrise began Day two; the third sundown began Night three (3); the third sunrise began DAY THREE (3); at the end of the THIRD DAY moments before sundown Jesus Christ was resurrected. Christ was resurrected on the third day, a Sabbath day.
Christ emphatically states there are 12 hours in a day, Christ said the only sign given that HE is the Messiah will be; He will be three days in the grave in the heart of the earth.
1-Thursday, 12 hour day;
2- Friday, 12 hour day;
3- Saturday i.e. the Sabbath, 12 hour Day. The Sabbath is the Third 12 hour day.
And yes there were also 3 nights; Thursday night, Friday night and Saturday night. Remember God counts from sundown to sundown, God’s day begins with the dark half first.. Thursday the 15th began at sundown: the evening of the 14th ended at sundown and the night of the 15th began just after sundown.
yes you keep pointing to the scriptures which say that Christ will rise on the THIRD day,
Yes! that is completely and absolutely true: – Thursday night is night one; Thursday day is day one; Friday night is night two and Friday day is day two; Saturday night (Sabbath) is night three; bringing us to the Sabbath ‘day’ which IS the third day. Yes Jesus Christ rose on the THIRD DAY. Did He not say three days and three nights, He rose on the third day. Did Christ not say there are 12 hours in a day?
He did not rise in the night but on the third day and according to scripture It was not yet light and He was gone! Remember when the women came to the tomb early before sunrise – the stone was removed and Christ had already risen and it was yet dark.
Here is what you seem to not want to hear:
Matthew 12:
39 “And there shall no sign be given to it but the sign of the prophet Jonas,”
The Only Sign: the Words of Christ make this clear
the only sign Christ said He would give this evil generation is:
THREE DAYS IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH: 3 DAYS IN THE GRAVE. Most want to count days, well a day is 12 hours.
The one and the ONLY SIGN given as proof Jesus Christ is our Savior is the sign of Jonas and Jonas was not 3 days and 3 nights in the water but IN the fish’s belly!
The only sign begins when Christ is placed in the tomb! And when was He placed in the tomb just before sundown. Christ made that statement that there are 12 hours in a day, Three days then are 36 hours. We are not talking of ‘our’ hours but 12 positions of the sun as it rises and sets.
40 “For as Jonas was 3 days and 3 nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of
Man -BE- 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth.”
When Christ said He would be in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights He spoke of three (3) complete days. Three periods of day light and three periods of darkness are the only sign given by Jesus Christ proving He is our Messiah our Savior;
The First Born Son of the Living God. The ONLY SIGN! How can you ignore this SIGN?
am123 if you really want to know the truth you must hold your nose and read the whole paper slowly. The paper takes the whole event step by step and scripture by scripture.
It is absolutely impossible for Christ to be in the grave Friday night and rise in the dark early the first day of the week. The only SIGN is 3 days and 3 nights or He can not be the Savior according to Christ’s own words not mine.
One more thing; the women rested according to the Commandment, they had to put Christ in the grave before the Feast of Unleavened Bread began after the sunset, the Feast began after Christ was placed in the tomb and not the 7th Day Sabbath. on a Feast day you Feast you do not rest. The 4th Commandment is to Rest.
Am123
One suggestion, print it out, take it section by section and read the scriptures check in your own Bible and compare noting where you disagree. when you get to the end go back and see if all your questions are not answered.
This not every scripture but most and the proof is overwhelming. If you have 12 scriptures that agree do you pitch them out over one the kinda says what you want.
TS,
Why do you ignore the Scriptures that tell us that according the LORD, the “third day” means the day after tomorrow? That is the pattern that is repeated in the Word, and it totally contradicts what you’re saying.
As for 3 days and 3 nights, Esther said in chapter 4 verse 16 below, fast for me for 3 days and 3 nights:
“Go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and fast ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day: I also and my maidens will fast likewise; and so will I go in unto the king, which is not according to the law: and if I perish, I perish.”
—Esther 4:16
And then it was ON THE THIRD DAY that Esther went before the king:
“Now it came to pass on the third day, that Esther put on her royal apparel, and stood in the inner court of the king’s house”
—Esther 5:1
So how did they fast for Esther 3 days and 3 nights and how did she fast for 3 days and 3 nights if she went before the king on the 3rd day? You run into the same semantics here that you do with the 3 days and 3 nights of the passion/resurrection.
AM123
I will take the words of Jesus Christ over anyone. Can you not hear:
3 days and 3 nights IS THE ONLY SIGN Given this evil generation.
Show me three days of 12 hours each and 3 nights in Friday at sunset and Sunday morning before the sun has even come up?
Counting by mans way that is almost two nights and one day because there are no scriptures saying when He rose if it was before sunrise on sunday. When 2 AM, 4AM? The sun had not come up and He was already gone!
Esther began her fast at sundown which is normal for a fast.
remember, God begins a full day as we call it at sundown – night – sunrise – daytime- sundown
a day is from sundown to sundown.
night one
day one
night two
day two
night three
Day three and then she went into the king at the end of the third day.
Using God’s nights and days; as Thursday night begins you say the day after tomorrow which day are you talking about –the Sabbath.
Friday is tomorrow for Thursday and then the day after friday is the Sabbath.
You do understand How God nights and days work right? By God reckoning Our Friday night is His Sabbath night?
am123
I just spotted it after I sent the last comment, Esther left you a hint Read your own comment,
” neither eat or drink three days — neither NIGHT or day” See the night begins what we call a 24 hour day. It is as I wrote she began her fast at sundown.
BOTTOM LINE:
Anyone can read the following Scriptures to see for themselves that the “third day” means the day after tomorrow:
Exodus 19:9-16
Leviticus 19:5-6
Luke 13:32
@ am123
THE REAL BOTTOM LINE to an evil and adulterous generation of which am123 is a fully paid up member:
Mat 12:39-40 (KJV) But He answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
You have to be the most stiff necked rebellious so and so, after Lies-Seeker that is, on BIN.
ALMIGHT Y GOD IS TOP LIN E
am1, if you squint really hard in both eyes & grunt … the guy boxed in, in your little photo
looks & sounds …
Jesus Christ didn’t look anything like that image in your little box
There was not a timid bone in Christ’s body. He never succumb ed to fear
Anxiety kills aggressive ness.
He was the most fierce spiritual warrior you would ever want to meet
David & Joshua did things physically in hand to hand combat in battle that would make many men vomit & fill the boots they stand in, all at the same time.
Two men tough with Courage to the core yet their stout hearts could calm enough to hear and obey God in His stillness.
Jesus Christ the most fierce spiritual warrior you would ever want to meet!!!
Sweated blood praying before battle.
An angel came & ministered to him so he could “Over Come”
the overwhelming odds of darkness that STOOD against us.!
We can only imagine his action in the order he set straight when he led captivity captive.
The image in your little box could of been one of the lost sheep Christ came for.
Oida little greek word with a big meaning. You may wanna check it out.
Mostly translated know, its all over God’s Word.
Mules are know for their value; strength & endurance.
Funny, in a lotta ways, like humans.
Their Lock key is
how they see, (perceive)
how they are being treated.
Be they Right or be they wrong
3 days and 3 nights is Simple. If you can’t see it, its because your not allowed to, yet.
The day may dawn
am123
If you are resting your case on the day after tomorrow and ignoring the balance of scriptures you are standing on quick sand. You are not fighting me. Try and convince God with that argument take it to Him.
Hmmmm….in the Old Testament, the LORD says the “third day” means the day after tomorrow. In the New Testament, Jesus says the “third day” means the day after tomorrow.
But Truthseeker, Natsal, and Yes2Lies say the “third day” means the day AFTER the day after tomorrow.
I’m going with the Word
, thank you very much!
AM123
please clear up what you are saying.
if on Thursday night I say the day after tomorrow I will come.
If today is Thursday and tomorrow is Friday then the day AFTER tomorrow is Saturday which to God is the Sabbath.
I do not follow what your thinking or your math
Do you see what Esther did? She came on the 3rd day, Her fast began at sundown.
Also, AM123 do you give no credence at all to the Words of our Savior? The only sign is 3 days and 3 nights — what does that mean to you –? Is that just a figure of speech?
was He just mouthing pointless words?
I believe my Savior is stating a fact that is not only provable but has been proven.
TS,
You said:
“please clear up what you are saying.”
Since you claim Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, then in that scenario, the day after tomorrow would be Friday, not Saturday.
AM123
The 3 days begins when Christ is in the grave, 3 days in the heart of the earth.
Christ was placed in the grave moments before sundown so the counting does not include Wednesday, Wednesday was over and gone. It is not counted from His death.
He die at the 9th hour our 3 PM, it took them 3 hours to beg the body, take it down, carry it to the tomb Clean Christ up and wrap Him in cloth and put Him in the tomb, and then to roll the stone in place, by Then it was sundown and Wednesday was over.
The counting begins at sundown as Wednesday ended and Thursday began.
Read again what I have said in earlier comments, the count of the 3 nights and 3 days begins as night begins on Thursday. Am123, what I am explaining to you is the truth. Ask God to open your mind.
“The 3 days begins when Christ is in the grave……….what I am explaining to you is the truth”
No, that is not the truth. You say the 3 days begins when Christ is in the grave. Jesus said otherwise:
“And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.”
—MARK 8:31
The timeline begins when Jesus was crucified.
AM123
Please please read the words of your Savior:
Matthew 12
39 “And there shall no sign be given to it but the sign of the prophet Jonas,”
40 “For as Jonas was 3 days and 3 nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of
Man -be- 3 days and 3 nights—— in the heart of the earth.”
IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH
not on the stake, not when He died but 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth
am123 if you can not understand the words above there is no hope for you! It does not get any clearer then this!
AM123
Please read the scripture you sent me, Quote: “and must be killed” and Quote:” after 3 days rise again”
How does this say you count the 3 days from when He was on the stake of even from when He died. This says Christ must be killed and will after 3 days rise again. This does not say when the 3 day count will begin. Remember here a little there a little. We must go to Matthew 12 to find where the count begins for the 3 days.
“And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.”
—MARK 8:31
The timeline begins when Jesus was crucified.
“The timeline begins when Jesus was crucified.”
So we agree on that. But when was Jesus crucified according to your timeline. What day? Wednesday?
am123
I was quoting what you said,—- NO—– the time line begins when Jesus Christ said it would
am123 can’t you read,
Christ said He would be in the HEART OF THE EARTH FOR THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS.
the counting of 3 days begins when Christ is put in the GRAVE
If you can not read and understand this simple statement from the Savior of mankind, I am not sure anything I say will be of any use.
So you won’t come right out and say when you believe Jesus was crucified? Don’t you claim it was on Wednesday?
am123
As long as you refuse to read — this is a waste of time.
Not only that,, but the paper explains in great detail absolutely proving it is impossible that Christ could be placed in the grave at the end of Friday and rise IN THE DARK on the first day of the week.
I am only human and it is extremely frustrating to deal with a person that continually refuses to even read the Words of Christ.
It is your choice and you have chosen to remain in catholic dogma.
I read your article. But I’m just asking a simple question, when do you believe Jesus was crucified? Is your timeline so convoluted that you can’t answer that simple question? Or do you refuse to answer because it brings to light the folly of your timeline?
am123
Here is the time line that within the article which you should have read.
Time Line of Events:
The Lord’s Supper took place during the early night time portion of the 14th of Nisan which was the beginning of the third day of the week but what we call Tuesday night.
After the Supper Christ went to the Mount of Olives and prayed for possible 3 hours.
Christ was taken away by the officers sent by the chief priest and the Pharisees around midnight of the 14th of Nisan our Wednesday.
Very early in the morning of the 14th the Pharisees led Christ to Pilate’s house from where Christ was sent to Herod and from Herod back to Pilate.
Once again at Pilate’s home, Pilate sent Christ to be scourged, after the scourging Christ was brought back to Pilate around noon, still on the 14th, our Wednesday during day light and was then sent by Pilate to be crucified.
Am123— here are more of the exact words in the paper showing when He was nailed to the stake and when He die
Christ was nailed to the stake around noon and hung on the stake until He died about the 9th hour approximating our 3:00 PM, Still Wednesday the 14th of Nisan.
For this 3 hour time period, noon till the 9th hour, there was darkness over the land.
Christ died around 3:00 Pm (the 9th hour) on the afternoon of the 14th of Nisan, the preparation day for the Passover supper that was to begin after the coming sundown.
It is very probable the last Lamb slain by the High Priest was around the 9th hour in order to be able to prepare and cook the lamb in time for the Passover supper after sundown.
am123— here again are the words from the paper SHOWING CHRIST WAS PLACED IN THE TOMB AT SUNDOWN AT THE VERY END OF WEDNESDAY, When Christ was placed in the tomb, which is when Christ says the count of the 3 days begin, it was night and it was Thursday.
Because of the High Sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened Bread was coming at sundown, Joseph of Arimathea came to Pilate and begged the body of Christ, Joseph took the body of Christ down from the stake as sundown drew near and placed Him in his own sepulture moments before sundown on the 14th of Nisan our still our Wednesday.
After sundown when the 15th of Nisan began the Passover lamb was eaten by the Jews, the night of the first High Sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened Bread had come.
“On this day”, the morning of Thursday the 15th after eating the Passover supper the Jews asked Pilate to set guards on the sepulture of Christ.
On our Friday, which is the preparation day for the weekly Sabbath, the women bought and prepared spices and then rested on the weekly Sabbath, the 4th Commandment of God. The Disciples of Christ kept the Sabbath Day Holy as did Christ, do you?
Very early on the first day of the week, our Sunday, the women came to apply spices on the body of Christ and found Jesus Christ had already risen even before sunrise and had left the tomb.
Am123 since Christ died at 3PM does that mean He rose at 3AM in the morning in the dead of dark, see how foolish counting from when he died or when He was hung of the stake?
After 3 nights and 3 days in the grave Christ was resurrected and left the sepulture just moments before sundown on the weekly 7th Day Sabbath, the Third Day.
If this does not give you the answers I do not know what will; BUT I will do my best to list this out in a way that may be able to enter your mind.
Christ was sent to be hung on the stake and was nailed on to the stake around noon on the 14th, Wednesday.
Christ hung on the stake from around noon until the 9th hour our 3 PM.
At 3 PM the roman soldier stabbed Christ with a spear and Christ bled to death.
Then after Christ had died Joseph went to Pilate to get the body, Wednesday is almost over.
by the time Joseph did all he had to do it was (if sundown on Wednesday was 6:00 PM)
it was 5:58 and Joseph rolled the stone sealing the tomb.
At the sealing of the tomb the sun set and it was Thursday.
Because Christ said He would be in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights the count begins as Wednesday ended and Thursday began.
Is there is anyone else following along that can explain what I am saying to am123 in a better way please feel free. I must be writing in Spanish or Chinese.
am123, bottom line –Christ was on the stake around noon
Christ died around the 9th hour our 3 PM
Christ was sealed in the tomb at 5:59:5, sunset
If you keep pushing for counting from noon or the 9th hour then all you have is a random time of more or less the a total of 36 hours with odd hours in the grave and even more odd time He rose.
If this does not come through to your brain – I can not help you!
by the way did you read my comment on your picture?
I know you must count from noon or the 9th hour or it pushes you off the cliff. If you don’t count your way the Jesus Christ is correct and you are not.
“Is there is anyone else following along that can explain what I am saying to am123 in a better way please feel free. I must be writing in Spanish or Chinese.”
Yes. You could have made it a whole lot simpler if you just answered my question a few comments ago when I asked “But when was Jesus crucified according to your timeline. What day? Wednesday?”
You could have answered “yes”.
So then, now that we got that out of the way in a very roundabout way, according to you, Jesus was crucified on Wednesday. So according to the statement from Jesus Himself who said He would be raised on the third day, and given that according to the Word, the “third day” means the day after tomorrow, then Jesus would have had to been raised on Friday in your timeline. But of course that is not the case since the women from Galilee said that the first day of the week (Sunday) was the third day after He died, He rose on Sunday. And mind you, this is not Catholic doctrine, this is what the Gospels say. So Jesus was crucified on Friday and rose on Sunday. But even if you believe He rose on Saturday, He would have had to been killed on Thursday. So you are wrong all the way around.
Truthseeker, The Word speaks ! Truth will find its target ! It’s got a built in heat seeker guidance system. Abundant thanks for holding this forth!
You have Casted forth Truth as Light; shinning “3 days and 3 nights” crystal clear.
In Matt 12: 40. God means exactly what He says. 3 complete days. Looking at this, I Love God’s sense of humor. The number 3 Biblically means complete. Completely, completely, complete in Him. 33 means experiential sanctification in the trenches of life that produces deliverence in life. 3 days and 3 nights is important, Christ in the womb of the earth.
Look at Jonah 3:3. , then v 4.
The Almighty gives Truth to those who seek it with all of their being. He is THE only sourse of Truth. There are hearts seeking Truth out there.
God creates and places desires, drives in the heartbeat of men and women for Truth, for Love, for Fulfillment, for Purpose, for Identity.
That’s Father doing the drawing – He gets all the Glory,
Joseph of Arimathia “desired” Christ’s body to place in his tomb. Where did that come from!
As far as i can seee he may of been the only one that actually believed Christ would Rise. He did a quick Linen wrap so to speak.
Drop the mind pic that the Linen stayed white as it touched his body, along with the little boxed in face of am1 to the ground. The Linen turned scarlett with the precious blood of The Lord of Glory. He was so badly beaten, abused, He was barely recognize able as a human.
Far more than a couple punches. The crown of thorns was beat down upon his skull. The Passion movie came close, the reality view of Christ’s body would of been rated XXX●. Joseph got as red as the Priests that did the blood sacrifices, procuring Christ’s body transferring it to the tomb. He saw it up close & personal, he felt it, smelled it and handled it.
Praise God for Joseph !.!
Imagine the story he had to tell his grand kids, when they had the capacity to handle it.
Truthseeker, thank you again for sharing your study. Captivating read.
“Rest assured”
Truth will find her way ! ○/
natsal
Thank you,
I have come to the conclusion that am123 is as disingenuous as his fake picture of a fake savior
He knows the truth in his mind but his vanity will not let him admit it.
BOTTOM LINE:
Jesus body was laid in the grave on preparation day, or Friday. And then on the “third day”, or the day after tomorrow in modern terminology, He rose from the grave, which was Sunday. This is all verified in the Bible. Those who wish to deviate from what the Bible says can choose to do so, but such things are what cults or denominations are made of.
am123
this is my last contact with you. I have come to see that if you can put up that picture of the fake savior which is a lie, it means you are content with lies and falsehoods, a lie is OK with you.
I hate lies – you and I have nothing more to discuss.
“11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the Lord will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.”
That would be nobody in that case. Nobody goes anywhere near mount Sinai, it’s in the middle of one of the most hostile arid deserts on the planet. Nobody lives within hundreds of square miles of the place, and there isn’t even a track for access, let alone a road.
AM123
this is going no further with me until you address Matthew 12: 39, 40
For you to ignore the ONLY SIGN and go for scripture that you can twist and misapply is not the Way of God.
And what should I expect from a person that uses a fake picture of a fake jesus.
Do you not understand what that means to me and to others — you agree with lies, you put out a fake picture full well knowing it to be a lie and a fake. It is impossible for that face to that of my Savior — so why would you use it??? It has no value and is a total lie.
If you will connect yourself with lies and deceptions why should I believe one word you say?
truthseeker, i thank you for your article and telling people to dump easter and keep the feast’s the Father commanded. i’m not typing in bible verses, but i know Yahuah calls them His Feast Day’s and His Sabbath Day. they are made for us to worship Him in the way He wants to be worshiped. not mans made up ways. He also gives us free will to see what we will choose. of course, He already knows what we will choose. funny, huh? many of the churches today call themselves Israel, but don’t do what Israel should do. having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof, 2 timothy 3. one thing that i want you to ponder with an open mind, truthseeker. wouldn’t the Messiah have kept the Sabbath Day and rose on Saturday night? He would not have broken Sabbath, but would have kept quiet until after Sabbath. never a sinner, is our Messiah. take care and keep up the good writing. peace to all.
Thanking Lies-Seeker is like thanking The Devil himself – do not be deceived.
Anonymous,
Every part of God’s Plan of Salvation is centered on Jesus Christ. Nothing is done that is not done with or by Jesus Christ.
Likewise, all that is being done was planned long before Creation began and that plan has been revealed to us. Man has rejected everything of God and man will only walk HIS own way, man will only worship as determined by himself. Man refuses to allow God to rule over him.
The whole plan of salvation is revealed in the 7 Feasts of God,
7 is God’s number of spiritual perfection. The 7 Feasts are spiritual perfection. All God does is perfection.
Everything of God is accomplished on the Sabbath or one of the Holy Feasts. When man sets up his own days they are disconnected and stand all alone. They lead to death.
Christ is the creator of the Sabbath, Jesus Christ is LORD of the Sabbath, it is HIS day.
On the Sabbath He did many wonderful works – On the Sabbath Jesus Christ freed us from death by rising from the grave to eternal life. Christ is shows us the narrow path to life.
the Sabbath and the 7 Holy Feast are the stepping stones of that Path to LIFE.
Those that follow the catholic days will follow the catholic’s to their end. Why would Christ change the Sabbath to a day with out even a name, the first day of the week?
If Christ was resurrected in the dark on the first day would not that day then be Holy?
Show where the first day of the week has been made Holy? You can not do so because it is not holy.
We are moving rapidly into the day of the gentiles, all things of God will soon be evil and those of us that follow Jesus Christ will become prey.
Look what yes2truth is saying – here is one that says he is perfect already and can not sin.
He will murder God’s Saints and think he does God service.
I love this quote written by Andrew Werner on the salvation principle.
The main method by which Christians in particular are trapped and deceived is with the messiah or saviour story. This is linked to the ‘original sin’ story which is designed to impose a large amount of guilt onto the whole of humanity. The believers are then so grateful that they have been saved by the son of God nearly 2000 years before they were born that in some cases they abandon all reason, logic and good judgment to obey and worship this god and his son.
Anyone who believes this story is indeed lost because to believe that a god would send his only son to help us, only to see his son get tortured and murdered, and then instead of unleashing all his wrath, simply absolve us from all crimes past and present, is pure madness to say the least. Where is the lesson for us in that? What has been achieved? There is no lesson or purpose because it’s all about mass psychological enslavement and disempowerment.
The so called god that we are expected to worship is undoubtedly just a dictator strawman concocted by the religious elites for the purpose of controlling the masses.
007
I am guessing you are a man and I take it from your comments you think Jesus Christ and the whole idea of a Creator God is kind of pathetic.
Let me ask you a question; who’s idea was it to create the chemicals that the brain and our gland system releases that give us pleasure when a man has relations with a women?
Do you honestly believe that evolved from green slime and this system just happened? Who came up with the whole reproductive system which is a marvel? And engineered it to work perfectly all these thousands of years?
When just the human form and bodily systems are studied, it is a marvel of intelligent engineering. What if when we are cut or injured and the body did not have the ability it regrow skin or make more blood or close a wound?
It takes more “blind faith” to believe in evolution then in a creator God. And who set in place the physical law that we, man, live by? The Law that says if I plant a seed it will grow and give me fruit? I just ate an orange wow it was great, who designed the orange?
007, I feel sorry for you, you have only yourself to look to. When it comes your time – you will turn to dirt and that is it for you!