Ruth and the Rapture
by raptureandendtimes
This week’s headlines are spreading fear and apprehension:
- North Korea’s fifth nuclear test – Bigger than Hiroshima
- Russia to Continue Talks on Israeli-Palestinian Peace Meeting
- Planet closer to catastrophic World War III than at any time for SIXTY years
- Russian president is gearing up for atomic war with the West by building top-secret nuclear shelters, security experts fear
The world is quickly rushing towards a climatic catastrophe. This is a good time to consider you choices. Although the Book of Ruth in the Bible is only four chapters, it is filled with much to learn and follow. If you have not read this before, take a few minutes to read it now. It is a wonderful testimony to what happens when you choose the Lord God in your life.
Naomi and her husband were from Bethlehem, but went to Moab to avoid the famine in their land. They left with their two sons, who married two women of Moab, named Orpah and Ruth. Naomi’s husband and both her sons died, leaving the three women alone. Naomi became bitter over what had happened, and decided to head back to her home town. She told both of the wives of her deceased sons to go back to their people.
Orpah went back to her people, but Ruth refused to leave her mother-in-law. Ruth chose to stay with Naomi not only because she loved her but also she made a choice to serve Jehovah, the One True God! She told Naomi, “I will go where you go, Your people shall be my people and your God shall be my God.” (Ruth 1:16-17)
Israel has turned away from Yahweh God, the Father of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, today, just as Orpah did then. Ruth, on the other hand, embraced the God of Israel, the God of her father-in-law Elimelech. (Elimelech means “My God is King”) Ruth chose to serve the One True God! She represents the Gentiles who become Christians and are devoted to Yahweh. She became a part of the family she married into, when she married her Hebrew husband. What she chose changed her destiny. What Orpah chose determined her destiny as well.
Likewise, we make choices today…whom do we serve? Are we just part of the audience of the church body today or are we members of His Kingdom? Do we live in name only, or are we devoted followers of Christ Jesus, our Savior, and Lord? You choose today – whom you will serve? The decision will affect your destiny for all eternity! Choose wisely! Those who are in love with the Lord will also love His Jewish people. That is the litmus paper of your devotion. Those who love His people are blessed by God with great favor.
When they arrived in Bethlehem, Ruth went into the fields to harvest. In the land, the corners of the field and in the field, some of the grain is always left for the poor and the widows to eat. This was a law in the Torah. Ruth knew that there was a man who owned this field where she would glean and hoped to gain his favor. Naomi knew that this man was kin to her late husband and she could insist he take her in to his home and provide for her according to Jewish law, but she choose to send her daughter-in-law to receive the blessing instead of herself.
The blessing did come to Ruth even though she was a Moabite and not of the House of Israel. His name was Boaz and he was a wealthy landowner. Naomi sent Ruth to lie at his feet in the night. This was in no way sensual but was placing herself at a place of humility and submission to him and his protection. He understood this when he awoke and covered her with a corner of his tallit (prayer shawl) to show that he accepted her as his bride and responsibility. We also are accepted into the family of God through our acceptance of Christ and His covering us.
When she left the place where she had laid at his feet, he filled her shawl with six measures of barley, so that it was full to bring back to Namoi. Later in the day he made the arrangement to pay for the land that Namoi had for sale that was her husband’s property. In this way, he redeemed them back to the house of her husband, which included Ruth the Moabite. Naomi was no longer bitter, but was glad. Ruth married Boaz and she gave birth to Obed, who was the father of Jesse, who was the father of David. This is the line of Jesus, the Messiah, Yeshua. There were 77 generations from the Adam to Jesus, and Ruth will forever be included in the patrilineage of Jesus according to Luke:
Adam
Seth
Enos
Cainan
Maleleel
Jared
Enoch
Mathusala
Lamech
Noah
Shem
Arphaxad
Cainan
Sala
Heber
Phalec
Ragau
Saruch
Nachor
Thara
Abraham
Isaac
Jacob
Juda
Phares
Esrom
Aram
Aminadab
Naasson
Salmon
Boaz – Ruth
Obed
Jesse
David
Nathan
Mattatha
Menan
Melea
Eliakim
Jonam
Joseph
Judah
Simeon
Levi
Matthat
Jorim
Eliezer
Jose
Er
Elmodam
Cosam
Addi
Melchi
Neri
Salathiel
Zorobabel
Rhesa
Joannan
Juda
Joseph
Semei
Mattathias
Maath
Nagge
Esli
Naum
Amos
Mattathias
Joseph
Jannai
Melchi
Levi
Matthat
Heli
Joseph
Jesus
Ruth’s obedience to God and her listening to her mother-in-law, brought great blessing to both of them and to Boaz who loved her, but even more so, it pleased the Lord.
Ruth was grafted into the branch, the chosen of God. We, as Christians, are grafted into the family of the chosen people of God.
Therefore, when He comes to take His people in the twinkling of an eye, at the trumpet blast, we will be taken up to meet Him in the clouds to be redeemed from the wrath of God.
Many times in the Word of God, the Lord promises to redeem us from the wrath of God that will be upon the wicked of this world. This will happen very soon as Jesus and the Bible had spoken of, two thousand years ago.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.(1 Thessalonians 4:15-18)
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Great story and a good way to see it. Yes, we are very close to that time and need to get right with God.
all the inbreds go first–bible thumpers,christians,etc..god does not read the bible-never has–never will–was not written by god either–some drunk dudes in a cave wrote it-that is why they threw in the water into wine nonsense–the bible is for adult infants who cannot deal with the toils of life–humans do not understand the mind of god–god is way above the fray–humans are too simple,hateful,petty,judgeMENTAL—-thank god salvation is for all or hell would already be full of bible thumpers/christians with their mean ,evil ways….
I love when ignorant Christians claim that God is in control just look around people the world has war after war after War ….a small group of men are poisoning our children with vaccines nothing’s being done about the chem trails assaulting us daily. God is not in control of this planet and to think so is delusional. And if he is, he’s doing a lousy job
…Bradley…The will of God…how’s that work? This is ‘harvest’ time. We, each, very soon, will “meet our maker”.There are but two outcomes for every soul that lives…even in these “end” times…mortality and ‘salvation’. Those that believe, in the gospel, and do what it takes to stay true to what’s righteous, ARE salvation seekers…everybody else is looking for something else, entirely. Must be mortality they are, unknowingly, seeking.
…There is an unprecedented phenomena, occurring worldwide…an awakening of Human spirit…old, young, healthy, sick…ALL people, everywhere, are being washed in REAL spiritual revelation.
…Some are actually rejecting this ‘latter rain’.
…All the HELL we humans have created, for ourselves, IS for the testing of men’s faith. We’ve been left to our own devices, spiritually, for the last 2000 years. NOW is the time of reckoning. Here’s where we find out who is, and who is NOT, prepared spiritually…. for real freedom.
Yeah Django a bed-time story~ Fable.
Please explain , that long list of names, to show how the lineage finally ends up at Joseph, the Father of Jesus. What do the theologians call it the ” Tree of IESSE”? (aisha, or JESSE to belted ones)
Is this not all *NULL & VOID* if Josephs wife, Jesus’ Mother is a VIRGIN? Her immaculate conception came from God, and not the “Seed/Sperm” of Joseph?
If Joseph is NOT the Father, what does his lineage/family TREE have to do with anything?
But then , people BELTED around the head from childhood with a heavy KJV, also believe that GOD is JESUS….. but also gave his only begotten son…(Brothers James,Joseph, Judas?)
So Jesus slept with his Mum so he could be Born?…
No wonder, this word of God , Rhema..=
..GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS….Boo 
lots of different theories, a few think she might have been abducted and impregnated by aliens she might have been fairly young and already promised in marriage to joseph, that also suggests jesus might have been of alien origin, lots of people havent thought about humanity having origins from off planet
This was not a great story (article). It was just more rapture propaganda baloney from holy-roller Rolls.
The rapture and millennialism theory was declared heretical well over one thousand years ago by competent Church theological authorities.
The issue is therefore officially defunct. Only deluded mentally deficient clowns and heretics think otherwise.
jango
And exactly how does one “get right with GOD????
I have asked many and not one has responded — because it is not scriptural.
I am confused about pre rapture or not. There are verses in the bible that to me means pre. rapture but then there are preachers that say is not true that we will all be here till the end and that we are being mislead. How can we know he truth?
A good first step, in knowing truth, is to stop listening to preachers.
The word “rapture” doesn’t appear in the Bible therefore any argument that it does is reliant on reading between the lines and questioning God’s intent.
Matthew 24:29–31 plainly states that the elect are gathered after the tribulation, after the heavenly signs, after the Day of The LORD and after the Last Trump. No squinting while standing on your head and holding your Bible upside down required.
Trust God – he can keep you safe during the tribulation – just as Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were unharmed by the flames in Daniel 3
He doesn’t want to be SAFE!
He wants to WATCH!
…Mayhem…right on.
…meidan…The first thing i agree with you about in months…Were are instructed to WATCH…So, you will probably hide your eyes…and HOPE for ‘safety’. Mayhem knows the truth.
…Earthly Conditions will continue to deteriorate…This IS the END of this age…No flesh goes forward from here. The TRUTH prevails…despite man’s opinions.
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Maxwell – You and other rapture deniers don’t understand what the tribulation period is for.
The tribulation period to:
1. Get the real Jews to recognize Christ as their promised messiah, king and savior which they didn’t do the first time he came.
2. It’s judgment on the Gentile UNBELIEVERS, which also includes those “Jews” of the synagogue of satan.
In a later post you say, “Face the music”. Well, no thanks for me! Nowhere in scripture does Jesus say that his church will have to go through THE tribulation period. Trials and tribulations yes, which is the testing you refer to, and could involve martyrdom or imprisonment. However, he describes the tribulation period as follows: [Mat_24:21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as WAS NOT SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD to this time, no, NOR SHALL EVER BE.
This is not just horrible persecution of the saints or the Jews like what we’ve seen over the past few centuries up to today. The tribulation period is incomprehensible EVIL FROM HELL ! Demonic host knows a rapture is coming and can’t wait! (see cuttingedgeministries.com) They will finally become visible to the “earth dwellers” (Rev 12). Horror films have NOTHING on what is going to be showing up and the atrocities they will commit, in the name of their “christ”. (“Men’s hearts failing them in fear for what is coming upon the earth” – sound familiar?) I, and many other believers, are saved by God’s Grace through faith in Jesus’ finished work (resurrection) – not through testing or works or toughing it out during the Tribulation Period.
I’m watching but not for the same thing you are. I suggest you study the Jewish Wedding ceremony (see rebeccaatthewellfoundation.org) to get a better grasp on the rapture. Arno Foese (Midnight Call Ministries) did a beautiful job (best I’ve seen) with scripture support for a pre-tribulation rapture. He includes type and scripture analysis that a majority of other authors and theologians miss (including popular Chuck Missler. I also include lay people who claim they did a “study” of the rapture and conclude it won’t happen until the 6th seal.)
Good luck to you, buddy and all the other rapture deniers! I pray you all make it through the 7 years of horror you all are waiting for to “prove” yourselves worthy. I will be in heaven wrapped in HIS arms, thanking and loving him for his mercy in pulling me out of such a horrible circumstance. Don’t you think our holy and sinless heavenly bridegroom would desire THAT over beating up his bride? According to your view, he wouldn’t. How sad.
…Well, I myself have been ‘chosen’ to witness…I will not shirk the duty or try to run, in fear of what the Antichrist or the avenging angels do…I call people like you cowards and half truthers.
…If you are truly CHRISTIAN…YOU have a responsibility to carry this out as far as you are called to,(or maybe you believe you have no responsibility, to Christ).
…Christ faced the music…to show us we can make it too…not to provide an easy way out of the very trouble your own indecision and trepidation has brought upon you.
…I don’t think you have your head on straight. You’re still worshiping at Earthly levels, and BELIEVING in the traditions of men.
…The traditions of men, make ‘VOID’ the WORD of GOD.
…pre-trib rapture is not scriptural, and if you were really scripturally educated…you’d know that…you’ve listened to devils…become “enraptured” by them apparently. If the Holy Spirit isn’t enough of a ‘comfort’ in these times, that you NEED a fairy tale to put your worried mind at ease…I pity you.
Cinders777
The rapture is not Christian but a device America’s post Zionist FEAR OF GOD pushers and their deranged attempts keep Christianity outside of Judah (Christ) and sent to hell (post Zionists being signalled by their assertion of any Judah outside of Christ and Christianity).
What maxxie is is anybody’s guess
But witness doesnt mean to drool and giggle at others pain from above in heaven or on earth it means to remember Christ (go through his passion even).
In Greek the word for witness is martyr.
The post zionist fear of god pushers trying to replace the rememberers of christ push their rapture crap by trying to get people to shun being martyrs.
WHY ELSE DO YOU THINK THEY ARE SO DESPERATE TO AVOID THE TRIBULATION? IT IS BECAUSE THEY FORBID ALL MARTYRS.
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martyr (n.)
Old English martyr, from Late Latin martyr, from Doric Greek martyr, earlier martys (genitive martyros), in Christian use “martyr,” literally “witness,” probably related to mermera “care, trouble,” from mermairein “be anxious or thoughtful,” from PIE *(s)mrtu- (source also of Sanskrit smarati “remember,” Latin memor “mindful;” see memory).
…Meidan…I think you’re full of yourself, but that’s ok, for you. I don’t think you know any other way.
…If martyrdom is my destiny, bring it. I’m ‘all in’ no matter what. There is nothing that can change my mind. I have no fear. I KNOW death intimately, and I can tell you that, for the true believer, its no big deal. Its like waking up, from a strange dream.
maxxie
meidan…The first thing i agree with you about in months…Were are instructed to WATCH…So, you will probably hide your eyes…and HOPE for ‘safety’. Mayhem knows the truth.
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No maxxie I was throwing up on him in disgust and contempt
I had thought that would be obvious.
I have no idea what ‘Bath Salts’ knows
Are you throwing up on me by writing a comment i largely agree with, Im Aden, or did i miss something?
There is a reason for that, Josie. See 3 Harvests: Barley, Wheat, and Grapes https://raptureandendtimes.com/2016/03/24/3-harvests-barley-wheat-and-grapes/
Then make up your own mind. Personally, I don’t know why anyone would want to live through total destruction. Noah and Lot did not. The Rapture is the only escape from the Day of the Lord.
…R&ET…I quote…”Personally, I don’t know why anyone would want to live through total destruction.”…since when does what MEN want, have any bearing on the truth?
…Do you know what the seventh trump signifies? In the blink of an eye, ALL are changed into spiritual bodies…The only way to do what’s necessary, is to face what’s coming and believe you are ready for whatever happens…You got THAT much faith, son?
…The only possible occurrence, that resembles the rapture, at all… is death. which isn’t all bad…Die now and escape seeing what your earthly identification is so afraid of…coward.
…Even this can be forgiven. Christ is merciful, and knows that fear is what most men are made of.
So there you have it, Josie, the Bible or some website that purports to know the truth.
@Rapture and End Times. Chapter and verse for Noah and Lot being “caught up in the air with”, please, or else you’re comparing apples with oranges.
Noah and Lot, both, were protected by God in the very midst of the tempest and so too will the elect be protected during the time of Jacob’s trouble.
26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32 Remember Lot’s wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
Luke 17
So then, Rapture and End Times, how desirable does your pre-trib rapture look now that you have admitted that the Bible teaches that the snatched away are fed to the carrion birds?
And don’t be playing semantics with me i know full well that the Greek has it “Eagle” but luke 17:37, as well as Matt 24:28, definitely say “dead body” and with the added support found in Job 39:27-30 it is seen that the OT eagle was to be found where the slain are.
Less importantly, because it was expected, you didn’t actually answer my question because Noah wasn’t raptured anywhere but had to build a boat to be saved and Lot walked out of Sodom but was still within sight of the city when the ruckus started.
Would you care to try again?
“…Noah wasn’t raptured anywhere but had to build a boat to be saved and Lot walked out of Sodom…”
That is, both Lot and Noah were instructed: DO THIS and LIVE.
No one should ever try to ‘pretzel’ that into some rapture-shadow, but that doesn’t mean no one will try.
Josie you must know Gods Mercy is GREATER than His WRATH , His Ordinances and Precepts regarding rescue of His people are clearly shown to us THROUGHOUT the Scriptures, He GAVE us “Lot and Noah” as examples of His Mercy in the last days.
Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man
YES,We are in the last days many naysayers abound in false teachings as what was foretold would happen , most down here on BIN are heretics whom have, NO affiliation with His People “The Church” whom the Holy Spirit SPEAKS too, in the Book of Revelation, hence all their FOLEY is without any wisdom nor understanding.
God did NOT say “as in the days of Daniel “? , NO” He said Noah and Lot ….clearly you can spot the twisting of the Wolves whom claim the bible over common sense.
The dead in Christ arise FIRST and we whom are ALIVE are to meet the Lord in the Air in the clouds just like Noah was taken up into the Air above the mountains into the clouds to meet God, taken from the Wrath to come, PTR is FIRST and are NOT taken into a Barn but to the Fathers House they are NOT taken to the birds either as that gathering is done by Angles,, The FIRST arise to the Lord and are taken BY Him HIMSELF, for the Lord will descend and receive US UNTO HIMSELF…as promised John 14:3
A FIRST good step is to ensure your “Born Again”, than ask, seek, then you shall find , most people down here are SDA types of different persuasions as you maybe also which will add GREATLY to your confusion ? unfortunately many are listening to Wolves, no wonder there is so much confusion as they claim to be Christian !!!? BUT have NO LOVE for His People the Church and DENY the Triune God and are usually haters of Israel as well.
The Truth is “God the Holy Spirit” He will show you via His Spirit when you study diligently His Word, particularly to your question is the Bride is in Heaven BEFORE the Great Tribulation has Started at rev 6:1 as judgement starts in the house of God FIRST “the CHURCHES” the dead in Christ rise “FIRST’ NOT LAST…we are NOT under the Wrath of God.
Viewed in isolation Luke 21:36 can be mistaken for a rapturing but only if the context is ignored given that Luke 21:21 unambiguously instructs the faithful to escape by fleeing to the hills. Further more the timing is given, in Luke 21:27, when Jesus returns in a cloud which is immediately after the tribulation according to Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:24, Luke 21:25, Acts 2:20, as well as Revelation and the Prophet Isaiah who declared the end from the beginning.
Notice, Josie, that Crazy times calls me a Wolf for claiming the Bible over common sense but does that sound right, to you, considering Romans 3:4?
Yes the dead in Christ will rise first (1 Thess 4:16) but this speaks of a resurrection not a pre-trib rapture and this also occurs at Jesus return as the verse clearly states.
So, Josie, does John 14:3 really say that the faithful will be taken away to the Father’s house considering that John 14:23 says Father and Son will come and make their home with them? A point so important that Jesus repeated Himself in John 14:28 – “I am going away and I am coming back”.
As for being born again, which is another subject entirely, why was no mention made in John 3:16 if that was what Jesus meant in John 3:3? Does not Revelation 21:2-3 make it clear that the dwelling place of God, the holy city, the new Jerusalem comes down from heaven to be with man and that God will live with them?
On principle alone, Josie, i counsel you to run from folk claiming to have the truth. I make no such claim but endeavour to uphold what the Bible teaches. In fact Crazy times says “The Truth” and immediately follows it with a lie “God the Holy Spirit” but once again that is an entirely different subject. I put it to you that Crazy times has introduced the doctrine of being born again and the trinity in order to mire this discussion with irrelevant distractions.
In conclusion Crazy times is unable to separate the gatherings from the resurrections and while we know that the dead in Christ are first to be resurrected we also know that the weeds are gathered first and thrown into the fire (Matt 13:29-30) lest the wheat be uprooted and again this is done at the end of the age (Matt 13:39) by angels. If you will only notice, Josie, that every argument Crazy times has made has been shown to occur when Jesus returns which, as the Bible clearly teaches, is immediately after the tribulation and just prior to the wrath. The faithful are not appointed to suffer wrath however the tribulation is not God’s wrath.
Josie as one can see MAYHEM lives in isolation and has his OWN understanding of events taken from bits of SDA doctrine, Sabbatarianism websites a lawyer etc , he has NO affiliation to ANY CHURCH (ecclesia of God) that he can attest to that’s why I mentioned he’s a lone Wolf who runs in a pack , He’s a denier of “God the Holy Spirit” which came upon THE CHURCH at Pentecost “the comforter”
Now if you deny the basics of the START of the CHURCH the FOUNDATION of the CHURCHES which is what “they ALL HAVE IN COMMON”, that is God is a Triune God whom gave His Spirit “MY Spirit” which was of Him to Us @ Pentecost and… “HE” will lead you in ALL Truths,….HE… and it is “HE” whom SPEAKS to the CHURCHES in the Book of Revelation “and the Spirit says (SPEAKS) unto the church of” …HIS PEOPLE
So obviously HE is not speaking to lone Wolves whom spit out personal interpretations as if that was from God and all men are Liars if they don’t agree with him…. by quoting Romans 3-4?
he said “John 14:23 says Father and Son will come and make their home with them?”
YES when UR BORN AGAIN
The Bride goes to the Fathers MANSION IN HEAVEN …as promised..John 14:2 KJV
John 3:16 or john 3:7 ? ” Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye MUST be born again.”
….. It’s Pretty clear to me
Revelation 21:2-3 “Yes” and the BRIDE the WIFE are ALREADY IN IT when it comes DOWN from Heaven …
.How did SHE get there…???
On principal if one keeps to the principals which are clearly shown there is no need to run from the Truth , these deniers while claiming to uphold the bible truths en-devour to lead one into MAYHEM their agenda is confusion, you need to flee from these wolves THEY are NOT Biblical Christians.
he said” the trinity in order to mire this discussion with irrelevant distractions.”
Irrelevant ? Whooha !!!
To Deny “God the Holy Spirit” is to Deny LIFE ITSELF the life-force of ALL creation “MY SPIRIT” (HE) whom can be grieved (HE) whom can be blasphemed (HE) whom when lied too, can expect the penalty of DEATH .
In conclusion it’s CLEAR the DEAD in Christ arise FIRST and are taken BY GOD HIMSELF Matt 25 came BY HIMSELF (2) witness to THE Lord shall descend…..NO ANGELS
FURTHERMORE any verses that entails ANGELS or gatherings etc are NOT FOR THE BRIDE as clearly stated above.
Angels gather for the wine presses and gather the Elect (144,000 as they were Elected by God) from the 4 corners of the World to stand before HIM on the Mount of Olives.
he said “we also know that the weeds are gathered first and thrown into the fire (Matt 13:29-30) lest the wheat be uprooted and again this is done at the end of the age (Matt 13:39) by angels”
As I’ve clearly stated the LORD DESCENDS BY HIMSELF to come for the BRIDE to take to the MANSION in the Fathers House as promised the above gathering is done by Angels (1) for the Fire and (1) for the BARN to enter the Kingdom on Earth at the End of the AGE
ALL pretty simple when you stick to SPIRITUAL TRUTHs the DEAD in Christ rise FIRST so these here are NOT THE BRIDE as she is FIRST NOT SECOND…. get it !!
he said” Jesus returns which, as the Bible clearly teaches, is immediately after the tribulation and just prior to the wrath.”……. Huh!!..?
BY Breaking the FIRST SEAL the GREAT TRIBULATION HAS STARTED “Jacobs Trouble” is for the Nation of Israel BIG clue in the Name, the BRIDE HAS GONE ….PTR is on Solid ground. the Word of God
Do you see what i mean, Josie, how Crazy times 600 word rebuttal is two thirds focused on the distractions he/she introduced and only one third addressing the topic at hand?
Crazy times has one thing right though. I’m not affiliated to any church other than the one Jesus founded and it’s fair to say i detest many of the churches built by the hands of men. The only reason i don’t hate them all is i’ve not yet studied them all but of the ones i have studied none are worthy not even the SDA’s.
Then, when Crazy times finally got round to the topic, he/she concluded by saying the pre-trib rapture was the Word of God yet only included a single vague reference in support of the claim. Therefore much of what he/she said was nothing more than opinion and admitted as much by accusing me of claiming the bible over common sense.
Common sense be damned – all men lie but God is true (Rom3:4) so no wonder Solomon had trouble finding any good men (Eccl 7:28). And finally, Josie, doctrine is established on 2, or even 3, witnesses (2Cor 13:1, Deut 19:15, Matt 18:16) and i trust you can see that i’ve done my part to follow that principle.
Josie…My 600 word rebuttal is NEED for MAYHEM as he is a type of lawyer, cross ur T’s he’s picky etc….the point was to show that when one starts off on a FALSE premise you get a WRONG answer .
Herein lies the problem when you listen to those christian’s ? who cannot name ANY CHURCH ecclesial creed they CLAIM to belong too,*** that the Lord founded ****….NONE !! you’ll NEVER get an ANSWER from these Wolves as they’re Old Testament guys at heart and have NOT embraced “the Glorious New Covenant”as the Churches do.
MAYHEM does NOT BELIEVE in the Triune God which is the Foundation OF ALL the Churches it’s the thing they ALL HAVE in common Acts 2:44, any doubts ? , go ask ANY of the Churches Greek ,Protestant , Orthodox etc except Last one
Church in Laodicea (book of revelation SDA Mormon,JWS etc)
He said..”I’m not affiliated to “any church” other than the one Jesus founded and it’s fair to say i detest many of the churches”
Huh !!…we are told to love one another in the Churches (ecclesia) you detest them as your a Naysayer Sabbath day lawyer not a Biblical Christian… “as it is written” ….”YE MUST be BORN AGAIN” “and have NOT entered GOD’s Sabbath REST Heb 10:4 for HIS PEOPLE”
IF so tell us MAYHEM the NAME of the Church Ecclesia Creed, your words …..
“the one Jesus founded” 
As far as I know “God the Holy Spirit” “ONLY
SPEAKS” to the CHURCHES in book of Revelation’ ….”His People” the ones YOU detest
You follow your own principles in ur own mind ….not the gospel delivered unto the Saints…..God has set PRECEPTS and Ordinances OF RESCUE throughout the Scriptures for us to see “HE (GOD) JUDGES JUSTLY” and WILL NOT JUDGE the Righteous with the Wicked” Genesis 18:25 as God’ Mercy is Greater than His Wrath.
HE gave NOAH and LOT as the example for US ….NOT Daniel as you espouse as it suits your OWN interpretation and nullifies Gods message to US… The Doctrine of RESCUE BEFORE WRATH is the MAIN PRINCIPLE (HE) has shown US even if you DENY THEM.
The main Principle You need to start with is the TRUTH before talking about doctrine the Truth is as stated above (HE) will guide in ALL TRUTHS (HE) the comforter
is TRUTH
the One you say does NOT EXIST ?
You said “all men lie but God is true (Rom3:4)”
This is the ONLY Truth you’ve written so far.
as per PTR it’s on Solid Rock the Word Of God….”as it is Written” below
Malachi 3:18
…17″They will be Mine,” says the LORD of hosts, “on the day that I prepare My own possession, and I will spare them as a man spares his own son who serves him.” So you will again distinguish between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve Him.
Where did the 5 WISE GO in Matt 25 ? when the LORD came by Himself and took them UNSCATHED to HEAVEN
TAKE AWAY what you like as it’s ALREADY been taken away from you “as it is written”
…Crazy times…I must disagree with you on this one…Mayhem is more correct…
…Each of us is being tested, mainly, by the conditions, and just how we each face the truth. pretrib rapture is anathema to this testing. All this glorious, emotional, EARTHLY interpretation of the scripture, is leading the cowards into perdition.
…What it comes down to, in my opinion, is rapture cravers don’t trust Christ’s words. Have a completely ‘earthly’, fleshly view of the coming of Both the antichrist, and our Messiah…a ‘mortal’ viewpoint…and you know what the word ‘mortal’ means, right? it means ‘liable to die’.
…You, crazy, are being tested just like all other humans…Do you think you’ve got a free ride coming?
…Just give up, now, if you don’t feel like ‘proving’ your faith, to the death. You won’t like the rest of the story. I’m sure you can find your own way into oblivion. Without this, “time of testing”…oblivion is all there is.
…FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED!!!…Don’t whine about having to do what everybody else who has ever lived, has had to go through:
……FACE THE MUSIC.
Disagree all you like maxxy I already know you vehemently dislike PTR you’ve made that clear MANY times, but that doesn’t change a SINGLE thing about “The Word of God as it is written” and His Precepts of rescue HE has done throughout Scripture for His People and has also PROMISED to do the same for the Bride, Noah LOT
You can take away as much as you like if you think mayhem is correct.
YOUR opinions / arguments are against the Word “as it is written”.
It’s also not the first time you’ve called me a coward and all others whom trust in “as it is written” I also know your doctrines are from Arnold Murry’s teachings at the Shepard’s chapel which is the root cause of your confusion and angst with most ppl .
(a cult) https://shepherdschapel.wordpress.com/?s=rapture
Mr Jones your entitled to your opinions from Arnold Murry
as i am mine from the “WORD OF GOD” which ….”is more correct”…
The PTR view is on rock solid ground as shown in Matt 25 and many other places… or are you better informed ?
Answer if you can
Where did the (5) WISE virgins go in Matt 25, heads intact and unscathed when the Lord came by Himself as promised to get Her
…crazytimes..show us the scriptures you are using to validate your views on the rapture.
…crazy…one thing where we both agree…we both want to see you reach salvation. I take only scriptural instruction, and i doubt you know anything about Shepherd’s Chapel, but what you see online. Like most ‘religious’ people you have no vision of what’s really going on…keep listening to people who make their living selling what they call christianity…and you’ll find out what’s meant by by ‘perdition’.
Maxxy said…crazytimes..show us the scriptures you are using to validate your views on the rapture.
What are you smoking maxxy ?, you more than most have been around for a couple of yrs and have seen this debate, many times and you’ve STILL have NO Idea
, even when I put it CLEARLY under your nose ….. 
Answer with wisdom for starters what I ASKED for instead of a lot of TALK.
Where did the (5) WISE virgins GO in Matt 25 ? when the LORD came by Himself and took them UNSCATHED Heads intact to HEAVEN and LEFT BEHIND those (5) FOOLISH virgins in their Wedding attire to….
“FACE THE MUSIC” as YOU SAY….. 
The (5) WISE continued ON what they had STARTED (by FAITH in the Promises of God) and we’re FINISHED and HAD ALREADY OBTAINED SALVATION as they we’re
“accounted worthy” 
when HE APPEARED meaning 
they HAD NO NEED TO PROVE ANYTHING FURTHER (by works or needing more Oil) to enter HEAVEN….as you imply
BUT TRUSTED in Christs WORDS and had KEPT “His WORD” and Perseverance “as it is written” Rev 3:10
You said:…crazy…one thing where we both agree…we both want to see you reach salvation.
Hahaha Maxxy I ALREADY have obtained Salvation and await the Inheritance of it @ His APPEARING, I already have passed from Death unto LIFE ETERNAL …”as it is written”
Romans 8King James Version (KJV)
8 There is therefore now NO condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
1 John 5:13
13I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may KNOW that you have eternal life. 14And this is the confidence that we have before Him:
John 10:28–29
And I GAVE unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
You wrote..: I take only scriptural instruction, and i doubt you know anything about Shepherd’s Chapel,
Maxxy I’ve noted over the yrs ,every time you espouse the SAME BELIEF AS ARNOLD MURRAY on most subjects ….anyone can check your faith and doctines against his (Arnold’s) by reading his yes his… debauched theology here online ..
Imho maxxy if you keep listening to FALSE PROPHETS who make their living selling churchianity…YOU’LL BE “left behind’ and YOUR SHAME will APPEAR when the BRIDE disappears…. Revelation 3:18
Another 500, or so, words with fully half of them directed toward how you don’t like me so much, Crazy times, and sadly i didn’t expect much better from you but what-the-hey lets take a look at what you had to say once you got on topic.
Now then: if Malachi 3:17 speaks of a rapture then fathers must also make their sons mysteriously disappear when sparing them.
There is no escaping the fact that this passage does nothing to support a pre-trib rapture with out it also holding true for mere mortals because that’s exactly how the word of God describes it
…crazy…I can tell that you are not familiar with Shepherd’s Chapel. Chapter by chapter …verse by verse, not sound, in your opinion?
… I can imagine bible studies with YOU running the show…which is what it would be…a SHOW…..You speak/write in a disjointed, sort of a falsely humble, assertive, herky jerky manner…I can’t read your stuff and get any hint of it meaning anything I recognize…i wouldn’t believe any body else can either.
Snake Oil salesmen the pretrib rapture to make christians lie down and be walked all over by satan himself…Hagee, Olstien ,Hinn etc all fakes just read your Bible and pray don’t let these fakes trick you
Notice by counting only 76? Did I miscount or is this the 2nd conformation that this missing generation is the Sons of God ministry that overcome the Antichrist as our best prophet has said?
The Nuclear attack on the 21 cities in the USA is the EZ 38 and 39, not Israel. It only showed where the enemy is meaning he doesn’t.have to go South to Jerusalem. Notice the USA in that name. Also, more Jews here than Israel. Those surviving here will overcome the Anti to make their robes white. Jesus sent his prophets in the US churches to show his people. Your taking a chance with anything else.
Mary is related to Ruth also. At least that is how I’ve been taught. http://caffeine4masses.blogspot.com/2013/12/bible-series-genealogy-of-jesus-intro.html. Is an example with one chart. I am sure that if a study were done we would find that Joseph and Mary were actually closely related. That was the Jewish way back then.
Also, the part about the where the eagles gather there are the dead bodies. I presume this to mean that those who don’t seek God will die. I say this because Jesus had just said (paraphrased): “he who seeks his life will lose it, but he who loses it will live.” Also : 17:27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.” NKJV Sorry for the long explanation. I try to avoid that!
I believe Yashua was implanted in Mary by aliens. And he was engineered to use all of his brain, not just the 5% or so we use. Unlike the Jew controlled Hollywood fable foisted on us via movies like Unlimited. …….anyone who becomes incredibly smart would not focus their time on making money. They would become more Buddhist like, just like Yashua was.
To all before me, please flush.
Ha that’s rich you’ve spent at least 10,000 words saying the same of me over the last yrs
what is directed at you is TRUTH to show your a Tare, a Weed, a Wolf, masquerading as Sheep, a FAKE Christian… 
I’ve received No answers to my questions “what the Heck” as if you have any wisdom in this regard anyway” sheesh if you have then, What is the Name of this group “YOU SAID “Jesus Founded ” seeing you detest the CHURCH and His People, so what is this ecclesia Creed YOU follow ?….Mr Wolf
As for PTR you’ll NEVER SEE IT as your NOT a Biblical Christian (like MANY) by a Looooong shot as you’ve clearly DENIED the Triune God which “ALL the CHURCHES have in common’, no matter what verses you see because your NOT SPIRITUAL BORN AGAIN nor CALLED to the BRIDE nor the rescue/rapture, it’s that simple , We all come as we are called, your plainly NOT CALLED to the “CHURCH” let alone the “Blessed Hope” …So be it . your on the outside looking In…. WHY does it bother you so much !! when “God’s HOLY SPIRIT ” Speaks’ to His people the CHURCH in Revelation” ?
Oh yeah !! I forgot it’s about YOUR agenda, watch you roar and all that, in ur bio MAYHEM
There is no escaping the fact that your UNABLE to answer my questions which PROVES a PTR will occur when God takes the (5) Wise to Heaven to the Wedding feast @ Matt 25 as I’ve laid out above.
Mr Wolf
Not content with twisting the word of God, Crazy times, you also misrepresent what i write and yet if your doctrine were true there would be no need. Unless you can quote me hating on the ecclesia or denying the spirit of God then you stand accused of bearing false witness.
Ten passages confirm the living must endure…
1) – Deut 4:29-30 – The faithful endure tribulation.
2) – Matt 13:20-21 – The faithful endure tribulation.
3) – Dan 3:15-18 – The faithful are delivered from the furnace.
4) – Matt 24:20-22 – The tribulation is shortened lest none be saved.
5) – John 16:32-33 – The world endures tribulation.
6) – Acts 14:21-22 – The faithful attain the Kingdom of God through tribulation.
7) – Rom 5:1-5 – The faithful glory in tribulations.
8) – Rom 8:34-39 – The faithful overcome tribulation.
9) – 2 Cor 1:3-5 – The faithful comfort each other during the tribulation.
10) – 2 Thess 1:3-5 – The faithful suffer tribulation.
… so then where’s the twist?
As for the Trinity; the names and titles of the Father and Son are invariably gendered nouns whereas a neutered noun is used when referring to the Holy Spirit. Will you argue that God doesn’t know his personal pronouns. Of course you will.
As for being born again; this is the first resurrection which happens on the last day (Matt 24:39,40,44,54 & John 11:24)) at the last trump (1 Thess 4:16) immediately following the tribulation (Matt 24:29) which Paul confirmed (1 Thess 4:15).
As expected there’s NO ANSWERS from MAYHEM to the PTR Proofs I gave from Scripture and also Gods OWN PRECEPTS HE GAVE US in respect of ‘rescue of the righteous’ “NOAH and LOT”, NO answer to my question, what is the NAME of this ecclesia Jesus founded..?that MAYHEM belongs too..?
MAYHEM: God did NOT SAY …”as in the days of Daniel ?” YOUR FALSE INTERPRETATION and your TWISTING of Scripture no, no bounds, your VERSION of events are devoid of TRUTH, YOU’VE MAKE THEM UP to fit your OWN expected outcomes !!!… now Who’s twisting Scripture
clearly YOU cannot be trusted with the “WORD”
I gave Proof 0f PTR in regards to the (5} WISE Virgins and you are UNABLE TO ANSWER where they went undamaged and escaped Death by Gt Tribulation ?) ….. it’s OBVIOUS they WENT TO HEAVEN and ESCAPED …”ALL these things” as HE PROMISED in the many verses HE gave us in this regard..
You cannot even ANSWER what is asked of you ? are you ASHAMED of your fellow brethren and followers of this Creed Jesus founded in your ecclesia you claim to belong too, IF NOT name it !!!
But there’s a BIG problem with that, isn’t there, and that is You SAID…”I’m not affiliated to ANY church other than the one Jesus founded” SO it begs the question then
WHAT is the Creed and Name of this Ecclesia CHURCH that YOU belong too….?
And you did used the WORD “DETEST”…..so don’t claim I misquoted your intent as you’ve made many vile comments to Church believers in the past on bin.
You said..”Unless You can quote me”
….”it’s fair to say i detest many of the churches ecclesia (people)” built by the hands of man.
So I guess the one YOU belong too not made by man’s hands is the one…You don’t Detest ….so what’s its Name…? YOU CAN’T… Let’s face the truth YOU DON”T BELONG TOO ANY as you would have said so Loooog Ago…… Mr Wolf
“Unless You can quote me” “or denying the spirit of God then you stand accused of bearing false witness”
MR WOLF I CLEARLY stated that you denied the Triune “God the Holy Spirit” NOT the “spirit of God” as this means something completely different TO YOU and YOUR understanding of it is anathema to the Ecclesia of God “His People the CHURCHES”…evident in my replies.
You wrote… so then where’s the twist?………In the above you’ve TWISTED, NOAH and LOT for DANIEL and Twist the Triune “God the Holy Spirit” to the spirit of God the “breath of God”
Your wrote…”As for the Trinity;” These are Your OWN UNDERSTANDINGS and Interpretations of language NOT the CHURCHES which was FOUNDED @Pentecost…and you Err badly as you will surely find out
To Deny “God the Holy Spirit” the Comforter, the FOUNDATION of the CHURCH @Pentecost is to Deny the TRUTH and (HE) whom is LIFE ITSELF the life-force of ALL creation “MY SPIRIT” the LORD says throughout Scripture (HE) whom can be grieved (HE) whom can be blasphemed (HE) whom when lied too, can expect the penalty of DEATH.
You wrote…”As for being born again; this is the first resurrection”
This is your OWN understanding or is it YOUR OWN ecclesia ?; as the ones “whom have ALL these things in common” DO NOT HOLD to that meaning in the CHURCHES….so which Gospel CHURCH founded by Jesus and was delivered unto the Saints believes this ?
Furthermore the Scriptures you supply are also out of context as Millions if NOT Billion have already entered “Gods rest” and NOT gone through your understanding of Tribulation.
The Gt Tribulation is NOT for the BRIDE it’s for JACO
You’re a special kind of stupid ain’t-chya, Crazy times, as well as deceptive? I said…
“churches built by the hands of men”
… which is not my opinion but comes directly from Acts 7:48-49 & Acts 17:24. You then twist that, by adding words, in order to make it appear as though i hate people. You are a liar and that’s all the excuse i need to ignore most of what you say.
And i did indeed answer you. No matter what you can say, about a pre-trib rapture, there are at least ten passages that clearly state the living must endure. I listed them and now lets take a closer look at one example.
Matthew 24:20-22 – Jesus said…
“If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.”
… days that Messiah described as “the beginning of birth pains” (Matt 24:8-9) when the elect will be persecuted and put to death. This is the tribulation and notably occurs during labour and not after spiritual re-birth as you claim.
Regarding the false doctrine of the Trinity can you provide chapter and verse for the phrase “God the Holy Spirit”? No reading between the lines, and holding the Bible up the right way, where exactly does that phrase appear?
As for being born again i said…
“this is the first resurrection which happens on the last day (Matt 24:39,40,44,54 & John 11:24)) at the last trump (1 Thess 4:16) immediately following the tribulation (Matt 24:29) which Paul confirmed (1 Thess 4:15).”
… and you asked if it was my own understanding. How can that be given it contains 8 Bible verses to which i offered no interpretation? Additional support, for anyone interested, can be found in Paul’s treatise on The Resurrection Body (1 Cor 15:35-58).
In conclusion, Crazy times, you twist scripture and you misrepresent what your debate opponents say. This makes you a liar and liars (Rev 21:8) don’t make the cut.
Mayhem
Great comment — but logic and true scriptures do not and can not penetrate the mind of those Satan has deceived.
Thank you, Truthseeker, and if i wrote any of this for his craziness then i’d be wasting my time.
I know it, but i don’t, so it isn’t.
In fact i mostly write for myself and call it studying, otherwise known as sword sharpening, and if anyone else finds benefit in my ramblings then… bonus.
Of course you write for YOURSELF as it’s about YOUR agenda…
go see his Bio
MAYHEM, this Special understanding of YOURS is NOT HELD by ANY of the Ecclesia of God, NONE !
YOU deny the TRUTH “(HE) whom guilds US in ALL TRUTHS” “God the Holy Spirit” “the Comforter’ {He} whom SPEAKS to the CHURCHES in Rev “and the Spirit say’eth”, (He) Whom is the Foundation of the TRUE CHURCH the BRIDE @ Pentecost. Acts….Who’s the denier
You study ? as Deathseeker does (“WITHOUT” “God the Holy Spirit”)
a reprobate SDA, despite your naysaying to the contrary .
There’s really NO “BONUS” in ANY of your ramblings Mr Wolf …. “therwise known as sword sharpening”
MAYHEM and Deathseeker ….. IF your NOT following..”churches built by the hands of men” as You BOTH claim…?
THEN Here’s YOUR MOMENT SHOW US “HIS ECCLESIA” go on
NAME YOUR CHURCH of YOUR Creed…
that Jesus founded “according TO YOU BOTH” 
the one whom DOES NOT believe in “God the Holy Spirit” …..I’m STILL WAITING as ALWAYS……Clearly Your BOTH must be ASHAMED of it !! ? and rightly so imho.
As for you ignoring, and being IGNORANT of events…Yes” your kinda SPECIAL at that, for SURE…As you’ve both Not answered my questions I given to you both, at times, for all your posturing otherwise.
PTR is ABSOLUTELY BUILT on ROCK Solid ground with the verses I gave “as it is written” and also …as per Gods Precepts of rescue ALWAYS before Wrath. His examples of NOAH and LOT He gave us …not your bag full of LIES and IGNORANCE and quite frankly a MINDBOGGLINGLY SPECIAL KIND OF STUPIDITY to replace Daniel with NOAH & Lot especially when GOD (HE HIMSELF) GAVE IT for an End Days example…Whoa !! So back a’t-chya
At His APPEARING for the (5) Wise Virgins BY HIMSELF BEFORE the “Day of the Lord” as they went heads intact unscathed to Heaven …PTR
Now after the Bride has GONE…”with HIM” “the LORD HIMSELF” (No ANGELS)
as Promised 
“and escaped ALL things to 
stand BEFORE THE SON OF MAN”…Luke 21:36
The (5) FOOLISH are Left behind for “JACOBS TROUBLE” to fulfill their calling as…..
TRIBULATION SAINTS and were be-headed for their testimony 
this group is OBVIOUSLY NOT the BRIDE 
YOU WROTE…”the living must endure. I listed them and now lets take a closer look at one example.”
Matthew 24:20-22 – Jesus said…
“If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.”
Answer: WHOM did the Lord ELECT ? HE ELECTED 12,000 from each tribe =(144,000) , it’s BECAUSE they were Elected YOUNG So He shortened those days for THEM so they could enter His Kingdom on Earth as NO flesh would be left…seen at the “Mount of Olives” when the “Angels collected them from the 4 corners of Earth’ (THE ELECT.) at the Second Coming down to Earth.
You Wrote :”… days that Messiah described as “the beginning of birth pains” (Matt 24:8-9) when the elect will be persecuted and put to death. This is the tribulation and notably occurs during labour and not after spiritual re-birth as you claim.”
Answer: 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake…..These are the (5 foolish virgins)… Tribulation Saints and MAINLY Jewish converts of the 144,000 whom helped to convert them, and they are brought UP to the synagogue as it says.
YOU mentioned alot of Scripture verses but NONE disprove PTR …ABSOLUTELY NONE ! of them.
You’ve even Placed FIRST the WEEDS Judgement BEFORE (as you posted to me ?)… The TRUTH that is “the Dead in Christ arise FIRST” as James says, So you’ve proven you’ve got NO DISCERNMENT of who’s who in Scripture and WHEN and How EVENTS evolve ALSO.
In Conclusion this is the reason for your MAYHEM you really need to, read a Book , the BIBLE only “the TRUTH” is…Your BLIND to “the Glorious New Covenant” and the Indwelling of “God the Holy Spirit” about being “Born Again INTO THE BRIDE,as your BLIND to it, as your NOT called to it, neither of you.
Mayhem your twisting and misrepresentation of the Truths of Scriptures, proves your… a WOLF, a TARE,.. with your (Daniel story) and your denial of “God the Holy Spirit” makes you the one whom deceives, the ONLY verse you got right in context is (Rev 21:8)
Mr Wolf…We come as we are called and your NOT CALLED to the PTR ….nor the CHURCH it seems as “they had ALL things in common” Acts….a Triune God…go ask ANY of them
the Ones you DETEST 
You wrote……… “i mostly write for myself”
I know you do ! matey,I know you do.
We’ll just have to agree there’s NO RAPTURE for Deathseeker and Yourself as you’ve both “TAKEN it AWAY”, that’s all OK with me, as ALL OUR messages are about something YOU don’t believe in ANYWAY but Millions of others DO believe in IT,”as it is written” PTR ..So we agree in a way
Truthdenier…Your NOT called to the Church so who cares what you’ve got to say, your Father is Beelzebub himself, the Churches are HIS PEOPLE and HE Speak’eth to THEM, for them, NOT YOU in Revelation and HE says to THEM if they have an EAR then HEAR what the
SPIRIT Say’eth
Have you an EAR truthdenier ? if so then LISTEN to the SPIRIT WHOM SPEAKS to YOU..It could be your LAST OPPORTUNITY before your outta here…Revelation 3:14-22
That’ll be a “no” then? No you can’t find the phrase “God the Holy Spirit” in the Bible just like how the word “rapture” isn’t in the Bible either?
Gees, matey, you only had the one job.
I’m NOT going to do ALL your STUDY ? for YOU… I DELIBERATELY left that out… Mr Wolf……lol , do your OWN DUE DILIGENCE , IT’S THERE IN CONTEXT, IN SCRIPTURE , YEAH right under your Nose, I’m NOT going to put Pearls BEFORE SWINE (as I’m told not to) just because YOU can’t see IT, (because your Spiritually BLIND, NOT CALLED) Revelation 3:14-22
I had it all wrote out and the Spirit moved me to NOT post it.
As the Lord said to His Naysayers…answer me…Then I’ll answer Yours
You wrote…”you only had the one job” & “just like how the word “rapture” isn’t in the Bible ei.”
Sheesh are you deliberately MYOPIC or forgetful ? not sure which one. …!!!MY Job was done ‘LONG AGO” on this topic when I Clearly showed PROOF of Rapture/Rescue from the Scriptures, the (5) wise virgins, the PRECEPTS of God, and the WORD…. “as it is written”….BUT your IGNORANT and dismiss the “Word of God”, and Gods “Precepts” and WORST STILL you REPLACE “HIS” Examples,, as your a DENIER, a SDA Naysayer, you have your OWN agenda….Mr Wolf
1/ Where did the (5) Wise go ?…….this PROVES the Rapture /Rescue BEFORE the “Day of the LORD” they went intact and healthy and missed the Gt Tribb altogether, as promised by the WORD..
2/ What is the Name of your Ecclesia and deathseekers Church ? that YOU SAY “Jesus founded” is it a Secret ?…..No Answer as expected as YOUR…… a WOLF, a TARE, a WEED…. a reprobate SDA in the Wilderness with deathseeker for all your denials.
So Then WHY should I answer your question ?
The CHURCHES Have WITNESSES 2000 plus Yrs ABOUT “THE TRIUNE GOD”, Millions in fact, Billions , “that No man can Count”: and out of it (HE) will chose a BRIDE (50%) The (5) Wise ….THE CHURCHES are in the Book of Revelation BECAUSE (HE) calls them “His People” …..You and seeker are members of an unknown Wilderness Society, unless you attest OTHERWISE :You’ve NOT GIVEN ANYTHING to associate yourselves with ANY CHURCH’ES….NADA , in fact you claim the opposite position of the CHURCH’ES CREED …because as we KNOW you BOTH…. DETEST them ” ALL” as you said, seeing you’ve given NO EXEMPTION to Any Church.
OR you would have clarified your answer by now.
As “NO ONE – Hides his light under a blanket” as the Lord said..
Like everyone,You only have had ONE JOB to do YOURSELF and that was to find “the TRUTH”, & work out YOUR Own Salvation, the sad fact so far is, Prostitutes are getting into the Kingdom before you BOTH.
Gods “other sheep” …The Jews for Jesus are getting in BEFORE YOU BOTH and btw, they ALSO hold to the TRIUNE GOD as well…and they are Now producing “FRUIT” for the Kingdom, the “FiG TREE” as the “Lord is at the Door” as prophesied.
https://jewsforjesus.org/about-jews-for-jesus/who-we-are/statementoffaith
Well now, you see, that is exactly my point, Crazy times, in every case your arguments hinge on reading something into scripture and ignoring any contradictions that might arise as a result.
You’re right about one thing though, Crazy times, i follow no creed especially not your damnable Athanasian creed and i do not name any church because Messiah…
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/16-18.htm
… did not name the one He edified.
Mr Wolf you wrote… “did not name the one He edified.”
Sure about that !!!?? , my arguments are sound …”as it is written” It Plainly says…
CHURCH 
and they HOLD to a “TRIUNE God” and HE says WE HAVE KEPT 
HIS WORD….which means YOU HAVEN”T….and HE LOVES US for IT… 
(emphasis added mine “”)
To the Church in Philadelphia
…8I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an OPEN DOOR, which no one can shut. For you have only a little strength, yet YOU HAVE KEPT MY WORD and have not denied My name. 9Look at those who belong to the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews but are liars instead. I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and they will know that I LOVE YOU. 10Because you have kept My command to endure “with patience”, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.…
But of course you would have to pick the Philadelphian Church, Crazy times, because it’s the only one that gives room to squeeze your pre-trib rapture in. And yes those who endure patiently (endure what?) will be kept from the hour of testing.
Three things are said to happen in an hour…
1) The hour of Christ’s Return – Mat 24:35, 44 & 25:13, Mark 13:32, Luke 12:40, Rev 3:3
2) The hour of testing – Rev 3:10
3) The hour of the destruction of Babylon – Revelation 14:7-8, 17:12, 18:10, 17, 19
… and these are all the same hour. Which occur between the 6th and 7th trumpet/bowl at the same time as Jesus returns post tribulation.
The words “trinity” and “rapture” appear nowhere , in the Bible, nor does the phrase “God the Holy Spirit” therefore your claims of “as it is written” are delusional.
Tell yourself whatever helps you sleep at night, matey.
Where did the (5) WISE virgins go ? ….”GAME OVER matey”
As like our other discussions YOUR IGNORANT to understand NOR do you EVEN RECOGNIZE, it’s the ” End of the DEBATE:” …
Your Snookered AGAIN…(3) for (3) now, and 3 strikes your OUT
This is what I mean MAYHEM you wrote….”because it’s the only one that gives room to squeeze your pre-trib rapture in….”Squeeze it in” …Lol
You will NOT recognize NOR ACCEPT as your an argumentative man
“I” did not write the PTR to squeeze “IT IN” as PROMISED by GOD nor did (I) write the ESCAPING (5) Wise virgins or the “PRECEPTS of GOD” “Noah and Lot”….the “WORD” “as it is written” DID.
Contrary to your Daniel LIE, Contrary to your NONtrinitarian belief , Contrary to your misconception GOD has put the Church to “Post Tribb” which would mean the BRIDE went through the “Wrath of God” to get to POST ,”we are not appointed to Wrath” … So your Post tribb scenario is NOT “as it is written”
You think you are sword sharpening ???……You are NOT as you don’t have the TRUTH IN YOU, you deny it as deathseeker does.
You also said God did NOT approve of ANY CHURCH…”one He edified.)…. huh !!!
I PROVED GOD … Has NO CONDEMNATION to
the CHURCH 
of.. Philadelphia
By saying those things HE DID to THEM “HIS PEOPLE” PROVES HE is a “Triune GOD”…as this is the belief of the CHURCHES…….as HE SAID “WE KEPT HIS WORD” …YOU DON’T…. Game over !
Mr Wolf…really.. WHO’s delusional
We have “AN OPEN DOOR NO-ONE CAN SHUT” (not even you with your MAYHEM, the (5) WISE Virgins went THROUGH the DOOR when “HE APPEARED”as they were READY,BECAUSE it’s OPEN TO US, as WE “kept His Word” WE are BORN from ABOVE….NOT you, as Your a TARE.
I’ve re-read your arguments for a pre-trib rapture, Crazy times, and have noticed you lack the support of Moses and the Prophets.
That’s where the risen Messiah began when explaining what was written of Him (Luke 24:27) so i don’t see why it should be any different for you.
There’s nearly 700 OT quotations in the Gospels so lets be having the ones that support a pre-trib rapture if you would be so kind.
I’ll say what you kindly vomited up at me MAYHEM…”You’re a special kind of stupid ain’t-chya,’…
End of story and this Debate matey, as I’ve already Pointed out your flawed assumptions with “as it is written” and the Precepts of God and the reasons “WHY”….” LONG AGO”.. but your unable to receive it
“as it is written”.
Matthew 13:13………The Purpose of Jesus’ Parables
…12Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:
‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’ 
14In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled: 
‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.… 
does this sound like anyone you know ?…rhetorical
You can’t perceive what this Parable (10) virgins is about PTR , just as you couldn’t perceive what the parable of the “old cloth, and the wine skins?”.Luke 5:36-38…….. the fact that you can’t mix old religious rituals (“Moses and the Prophets”.)with NEW faith in Jesus. ….Y’shua’s’ New wine New Cloth NEW Covenant ..”BORN AGAIN”….It ALL goes OVER YOUR HEAD …i know, the reason WHY is as per above “as it is written”
Adieu…End of debate
…End of debate….???? Oh crazy…hahahaha hahaha hahahh….You need to be on the comedy channel….aahahahah!!!!
…crazy times…Ezekiel 13:20…” Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.”
…These pillows are covering up the truth and polluting the word of God. This is the rapture foreseen by God and He is warning them, as well as you, don’t teach it and don’t believe it. I’m sure you have heard hymns about flying away, coincidence? God is very good to us and he will tear away the lies and deception during the millennium. At that time, we will have one church, instead of numerous denominations, and false doctrines like the rapture. We can do better right now though, if we pray for knowledge, and listen to God’s word instead of man.
maxxy “End of debate” that comment, was between mayhem and I
NOT your fly away BS AGAIN…
maxxy if you want me to comment on more of your “Shepherds chapel” nonsense from Arnold Murray then I will, and If this verse of yours means anything to you in regards to PTR… all well and good, FOR YOU !!…as for me Ill stick to “as it is written” in context and the “Precepts of (rescue, examples God gave us) and also His Parables…..which CLEARLY show His Mercy is Greater than His Wrath.
If anyone wants to see what a COMEDY OF ERRORS really looks like
…go to (scroll down) page to
….Ezekiel 13:18 Isn’t about the “Fly Away” Doctrine…..A Murray @
https://shepherdschapel.wordpress.com/page/4/
All his errors are listed HERE… the ones maxxy follows to the grave “a false teacher” ..
These Comments are from an Ex Cult member…His personal comment are at the bottom of HIS REBUTTAL to every aspect of Murrayisum
He said..”Arnold Murray was a false teacher and deceived many. Even now from the grave through the religious legacy that he left behind people are ensnared.”
I will show you the passage he references Ezekiel 13:20 has absolutely NOTHING to do with the rapture…..
Now this person is Anti PTR and still wrote the above comment…Hahahahaha
THE CULTIST TEACHINGS OF ARNOLD MURRAY can be found here ALSO….@
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/arnoldmurray.html
“and listen to God’s word instead of man.” You should really take your OWN advise
So what’s your church, Crazy Times, Bretheren/JW or some other protestant cult?
…Crazy times…say what you will about shepherd’s chapel, and Arnold Murray’s teaching, few teach the way he did …chapter by chapter…verse by verse. If it is not written in the Word of God, it gets no time. That’s why the rapture is not taught…It AIN’T there…anywhere. Skew the scriptures to fit your earthly interpretations, at your own risk.
…Rapture is not of scriptural documentation…but the ‘traditions of men’ that make void, the Word of God…IS documented…as is the ‘strong delusion’ the Lord has put on you…and all rapture fanatics…cowards …every one.
…Rapture wasn’t taught in the churches till the mid 1800′s…THAT’S within your abilities to document…if you wanted to.
…Christ said ” I have told you all things.”…BUT, He didn’t mention anything remotely related, in ANY way, to pre-trib rapture. If you believe that your “escape clause” is scriptural, you are scripturally illiterate.
maxxy wrote….:Christ said ” I have told you all things.”…BUT, He didn’t mention anything remotely related, in ANY way, to pre-trib rapture.”
Yes HE did TEACH all things and it’s taught in the Scripture’s the WORD, clear to read as mentioned in ALL the above now if you could take those
off and attempt to understand the Scriptures and Parables especially the (10) Virgins Parable and how (5) escaped PTR and Luke 21:36 ….you would be MUCH wiser for it…But you can’t as your in a CULT…So LETS JUST CUT IT ALL OUT OR IGNORE IT ALTOGETHER and SAY TO YOURSELF, HE DID NOT SAY IT, as YOU HAVE NO ANSWER to where they WENT ? as wrote in the BIBLE long before 1800 …Hahahaha ……
GOD ALWAYS rescues His People through out Scripture before WRATH ..ALWAYS
(as SHOWN in the 10 virgin Parable for the BRIDE.)
To say otherwise is just plainly wrong and Un-Scriptural who’s illiterate maxxy.
“Cowards” you say, your usual retort Oh ‘um ….Never from scripture unless it’s your fly away BS…
maxxy Arnold Murray is the one who “make void, the Word of God” he has led you astray BIG TIME as you will NOT accept “as it is written” in the Parables of the (10) virgins….
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…OK crazy…I’ll never criticize you ever again about your PTR beliefs. I try to never pay attention to you most of the time…And i “face-palm”, whenever your cuteness SUCKS me in. One thing I learned from Arnold is that some battles aren’t worth the effort. More important things to do. Better spirit/thinking elsewhere.
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maxxy u know i luv you and want the best for you always, that’s why I persevere pooky, so you can see what “He” says and compare it with what Arnold’ deceptions….
Clearly when it differs from “as it is written” …Then Run !!!! and ESCAPE don’t LOOK BACK’ as Lot’s WIFE did, least you be LEFT BEHIND …
maxxy buddy matey !.. You right better not to get into debates you have no answers for….
PTR is built on Rock Solid ground ….”The Word of God” and His Precepts of RESCUE…”take away” what you like as “it will be taken away from you” ….”as it is written”.
I wish you well max….as ALWAYS