A Crowded Inn: The Birth of God’s Messiah
By Geri Ungurean
A Crowded Inn, A Jewish Handmaiden, And the Birth of God’s Messiah
Catholics have sought to deify the mother of Jesus for centuries. She is called “Queen of Heaven,” “Mother of God,” “Co-Redemptrix,” “Sinless Virgin,” and so many other names which do not in any way describe this Jewish handmaiden.
When a Catholic visits a priest for confession, that person is told to recite prayers to Mary. Surely she will get these prayers to her son, right? Wrong. The confession and prayers should be taken boldly to the throne of Christ. We have access to the Lord of Glory! Why go to His mother, especially when she is dead.
Christ’s Birth Announced to Mary
“Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. And having come in, the angel said to her, ‘Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!’
“But when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was. Then the angel said to her, ‘Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.’
“Then Mary said to the angel, ‘How can this be, since I do not know a man?’
“And the angel answered and said to her, ‘The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God’” (Luke 1:26-35).
The Magnificat
“And Mary said,
‘My soul magnifies the Lord,
and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
for he has looked on the humble estate of his servant.
For behold, from now on all generations will call me blessed;
for he who is mighty has done great things for me,
and holy is his name.
And his mercy is for those who fear him
from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with his arm;
he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts;
he has brought down the mighty from their thrones
and exalted those of humble estate;
he has filled the hungry with good things,
and the rich he has sent away empty.
He has helped his servant Israel,
in remembrance of his mercy,
as he spoke to our fathers,
to Abraham and to his offspring forever’” (Luke 1:46-55).
Please notice that in the second verse of the magnificat, Mary says “My spirit rejoices in God my Savior.” (emphasis added)
Yes, Mary needed a Savior just as much as we do!
Many Catholics, who strive to convince others that Mary is alive in heaven and is Queen of heaven, use this Scripture to that end:
“When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, ‘Woman, behold your son!’ Then He said to the disciple, ‘Behold your mother!’ And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home” (John 19:26-27).
Jesus was saying “John, take care of my mother.” And this is confirmed in verse 27, when it says that John brought Mary to his own home. How the evil one loves to twist Scripture!
How angels gazed upon this long awaited birth of God’s own Son on the earth
We know that the multitude of the heavenly host joined the first angel in announcing the birth of the Messiah to the shepherds – these very extraordinary shepherds. Did you know that these particular shepherds were appointed by the high priests to raise the most perfect lambs to be used in their sacrifices?
Little did they know that these angels were proclaiming that God was sending His Perfect Lamb – His Only Son of whom John the Baptist would say, “Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.” Jesus was the final Lamb of God, and before He died that horrific death on the Cross, He said “It is finished.”
Playing Mary in Christmas Plays
I am older now, but I really can’t remember how many times I played the part of Mary in our church’s Christmas plays. However, I do remember how I felt when I was dressed up as Mary, and especially when I would hold the child who represented our Messiah Yeshua. I was overcome to the point of tears; sometimes it was difficult to get through songs.
I imagined to myself that GOD had come in the flesh. Think about that – GOD – the Creator had wrapped himself in human flesh, and He came for one main reason:
He came to die for our sins, and to conquer death and hell, so that we could be reconciled to the Father in heaven. Incredible and so amazing!
Tell the Christmas Story
This Christmas, if you are having family and friends over who do not believe, take this opportunity to tell the Christmas story – read it out of Luke. Remember – some people have NEVER heard the Word of God. And what better Scripture for them to hear?!
“And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This census first took place while Quirinius was governing Syria. So all went to be registered, everyone to his own city.
“Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered with Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child. So it was, that while they were there, the days were completed for her to be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.
“Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night. And behold, an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were greatly afraid. Then the angel said to them, ‘Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people. For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. And this will be the sign to you: You will find a Babe wrapped in swaddling cloths, lying in a manger.’
“And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying:
“Glory to God in the highest,
And on earth peace, goodwill toward men!’
“So it was, when the angels had gone away from them into heaven, that the shepherds said to one another, ‘Let us now go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has come to pass, which the Lord has made known to us.’ And they came with haste and found Mary and Joseph, and the Babe lying in a manger.
“Now when they had seen Him, they made widely known the saying which was told them concerning this Child. And all those who heard it marveled at those things which were told them by the shepherds. But Mary kept all these things and pondered them in her heart. Then the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told them” (Luke 2:1-20).
Hallelujah and Praise to our Lord!
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE
MARANATHA!
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Whistler Blowers, Insiders
Geri,
You teach one thing and our Savior another, what a dilemma,
but I chose to follow Jesus Christ and He told those that follow Him to boldly go to His Father Throne. You know in the Holy of Holies, the same Holy of Holies that at the moment of death the veil was split open thus allowing the called out ones to boldly enter.
Geri do you know why the inns were full?
Caesar Augustus, knowing the Feasts of God and knowing a huge number of Jews would be coming to Jerusalem to keep the fall Feast of Tabernacles wisely chose that time to collect a tax. They were coming anyway.
If he had chosen an earlier time it would have been during the fall harvest and that is a real problem for the folks.
And if he had commanded them to come in the dead of winter that is a very difficult time for these folks to travel, Jerusalem is cold in the winter and all the flocks would have been pulled out of the mountains and hills, It can snow in Jerusalem.
So Jesus Christ was born on the day He will come in to HIS kingdom as King of kings and that day is a Holy High Sabbath — the 15th day of the 7th month, God’s Feast of Tabernacles. Our Sept/Oct.
And also Christ was circumcised on the 8th day – are you aware the 8th day of the Feast i.e. That Great day, is also a High Sabbath, a commanded day of assembly?
The 7 Feasts of God are GOD’s not the Jews.
I will not wish you a merry xmas as I do not observe it and actually despise it as does our Father and His Son.
Keep studying… it wasn’t during Sukkot; it was on Shavuot (Feast of Weeks/Pentecost). Christ will fulfill the Fall mo’edim (appointed times) during His Second Coming:
* Zichron Teruah (1st day of the seventh month): His Second Coming and the gathering of the elect (chosen ones) after the Great Tribulation
* Yom Kippur (10th day of the seventh month): Judgment Day (aka the great and terrible day of the Lord)
* Sukkot (15th-22nd of the seventh month): Marriage Supper of the Lamb between Christ and New Jerusalem
http://www.haderech.info/DSS/Calendar/QumranCalendar.pdf
Christ’s Birth on the Feast of Weeks (Shavuot) in 6 CE
False church traditions (unsubstantiated embellishments), the precepts of men (manufactured theology), and doctrines of demons (assimilated paganism) cloud the truth regarding Christ’s conception and birth. For starters, one needs to review the program entitled “Christmas Unwrapped: The History of Christmas” from when The History Channel actually presented history: https://youtu.be/XSQYX-OB1Rs.
According to this program, Mithraism and Saturnalia were assimilated from pagan Rome; that’s where December 25th falsely originated; see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraism, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus, and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnalia.
Arguably, the most important quote of “Christmas Unwrapped” occurs at the 7:31 mark: “So if you’re gonna sort through the runes of the Scriptures, Jesus was probably born in the Spring. If the shepherds were out in the fields watching their flocks by night, we’re probably not talking about one of the cold spells at the heart of winter.” — Forrest Church, Minister, All Souls Church
Note: I have no affiliation with this minister or church.
Many “Biblical scholars” discounted the Lucan account because of the mention of Lysanias, the tetrarch of Abilene, in Luke 3:1. They assumed it was this figure from circa 40-36 BCE; see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysanias. That was before the discovery of the Corpus Inscriptionum Graecarum (CIG) 4521; see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysanias#Archaeological_Lysanias. Again, the Word of God was vindicated as it repeatedly is via archaeology.
Furthermore, when the Book of Luke is placed within the context of the calendar from the Dead Sea Scrolls, not only can one know with GREAT CERTAINTY the month, day, day of the week, and year when Joshua* (Heb. Yehoshu’a/Aram. Yeshua/Gr. ‘Iesous) was born incarnate but when John (Yochanan) and He were conceived.
*Note: “Jesus” incorrectly originates from the transliteration of the Latin; it is NOT the translation. See the second footnote from Matthew 1:1 in Aramaic (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+1%3A1&version=NASB). According to the famous Hebrew lexicographer Reuben Alcalay, Yehoshu’a is closely associated with “Let there be…”
Returning to Christ’s conception and birth… the FACTS unfold as follows, and NO CHURCH currently teaches the truth:
Fact #1: Elisheba (Elizabeth) was six months pregnant in the sixth month; concentrate on vv26 and 36. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1%3A26-38&version=NASB
Fact #2: Tsekharya (Zecharias) was a Levite of the order/division of Abijah; concentrate on v5. https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=Luke+1%3A5-7&qs_version=NASB
Fact #3: The mute and shaken Tsekharya returned home immediately after his weekly course was completed, and Elisheba conceived a son. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1%3A8-25&version=NASB
Fact #4: This is the calendar documented in the Dead Sea Scrolls; see http://www.haderech.info/DSS/Calendar/QumranCalendar.pdf.
Fact #5: For Elisheba to be six months pregnant in the sixth month, Tsekharya (of the course of Abijah) had to have served in the 12th month. The only time this occurs is from the 14th-20th; see Cycle of Priestly Divisions… > Division Year 3 of 6 in the Qumran calendar above.
Fact #6: As Tsekharya (and Elisheba) were righteous and walked in ALL requirements and commandments of the Lord (Luke 1:6), he could not have traveled more than a Sabbath day’s journey (2,000 cubits) on the 21st of the 12th month, which was a weekly Sabbath. http://biblehub.com/topical/s/sabbath_day's_journey.htm
Fact #7: The first day that Tsekharya could have returned home (likely Kiriath Arba — aka Hebron — in the hill country of Judah) was the 22nd of the 12th month on the first day of the week. This was the day that Yochanan (John) was conceived.
Fact #8: After Miryam’s (Mary’s) visitation from the archangel Gavri’el (Gabriel) in the sixth month (Luke 1:26), she left IN A HURRY to visit Elisheba. At the moment of arrival, Elisheba was overcome by the Holy Spirit and knew that Miryam had conceived a child. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1%3A39-55&version=NASB
Fact #9: Exactly six months after Yochanan was conceived, Yehoshu’a was conceived. According to the Qumran calendar, that would have occurred on the 22nd of the sixth month on the first day of the week, which is the Feast of New Oil!
Sidebar: The Feast of New Oil was also the fourth of four agricultural feasts each occurring 49 days apart, exclusive (i.e., barley, wheat, grapes/wine, and olive oil). Olive oil was a component of anointing oil; see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+30%3A22-33&version=NASB. Also, the root of “Christos” (http://biblehub.com/greek/5547.htm) is “chrió” meaning “to anoint with olive oil” (http://biblehub.com/greek/5548.htm).
Fact #10: The gestation period for women is 38 weeks from CONCEPTION (not to be confused with last menstrual period or LMP) to birth; see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy. EXACTLY 38 weeks after Miryam conceived, Yeshoshu’a was born on the Feast of Weeks (Shavuot) on the 15th day of the third month on the first day of the week.
So, now we know the month, day, and day of the week of John’s conception and Christ’s conception and birth. Now, for the years.
Fact #11: Yehoshu’a was born in 6 CE during the census of Quirinius; see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Census_of_Quirinius. For the Scriptural reference, concentrate on v2; see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+2%3A1-20&version=NASB.
Sidebar: “Herod” was a dynastic title like Caesar and Pharaoh. The “Herod” at the time of Christ’s birth was Herod Archelaus; he was deposed that same year (after the “slaughter of the innocents” in Bet Lechem) and died in exile in 18 CE; see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_Archelaus. When did the “holy family” return from Egypt after Herod [Archelaus] died? When Yehoshu’a was 12 years old (18 CE – 6 CE = 12 years).
Sidebar: The only verse in the Gospels that contradicts this account is Matthew 2:22. The earliest extant manuscript containing that verse was from Papyrus 70 from the late third century CE (which is “a fairly reliable text, though it was carelessly written”); see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papyrus_70. The “early church fathers” were already at work destroying the truth!
This was what the “wise men of the east” of Jerusalem (Yerushalyim) — 15 miles as the crow flies — in the desert wilderness of Qumran saw on the Feast of Weeks in 6 CE; see http://tinyurl.com/mhbba3l. This was confirmed with our local planetarium in Baton Rouge. The “wandering stars” of Jupiter (representative of the Most High/Father) and Venus (representative of the virgin mother) as well as the conjunction with occultation of Uranus (representative of the Holy Spirit) and Mars (representative of the redemptive Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53) rose in the east in the constellation Pisces (representative of Israel). This “star” sign naturally moved from east to south towards Bethlehem (Bet Lechem) as the evening progressed — just as the Scriptures state.
On the eighth day after His birth (23rd of the third month), Joshua was circumcised per Torah (=instruction/Law; five Books of Moses). After 40 days (7+33 days) from His birth (25th of the fourth month), the appropriate sacrifices were made for a firstborn son; see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+2%3A21-24&version=NASB and https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+12&version=NASB. As they were poor and could not afford a lamb, they offered either a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons per Leviticus 12:8 and documented in Luke 2:24. They were poor because the wise men had not visited yet! It was on this day, the 25th of the fourth month when Joshua was presented at the Temple, that the following occurred with Simeon (Shimon) and Anna (Hannah); see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+2%3A25-37&version=NASB, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simeon_(Gospel_of_Luke), and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_the_Prophetess.
Sidebar: The “consolation of Israel” in Luke 2:25 is a reference to Isaiah 40; see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+40&version=NASB. Note also the key phrase of Isaiah 40:3: “A voice is calling, ‘Clear the way for the Lord in the wilderness…’” This is in reference to Yochanan’s instructing the “sect” called The Way in the desert wilderness of Qumran how to recognize their Messiah from the TaNaKh (OT). Not only was this exact phraseology employed in a handful of the Dead Sea Scrolls, it is also documented in ALL the synoptic Gospels concentrating on Matthew 3:3, Mark 1:3, Luke 3:4, and John 1:23: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+3%3A1-12%3B+Mark+1%3A1-8%3B+Luke+3%3A1-17%3B+John+1%3A6-28&version=NASB.
Sidebar: Likewise, the “redemption of Jerusalem” in Luke 2:38 is a reference to Isaiah 52 concentrating on verses 3 and 9; see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+52&version=NASB. Verse 6 is regarding the true pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton; see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton. Currently, rabbinic Jews recite “Adonai” for the Tetragrammaton invoking the Greek Adonis and Babylonian Tammuz. Christians typically say Jehovah or Yahweh, but the “vav” in yod-he-vav-he is also pronounced like the “o” in Torah, menorah, Eloah (singular form of Elohim), and Yehoshu’a (=Joshua, Christ’s REAL name) to name a few. A DSS fragment has it spelled ‘Iaw in Greek (iota-alpha-omega), which is consistent with Yahoah; see http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rs/rak/lxxjewpap/4QLevB.jpg. How much more meaning does that give Revelation 1:8, 21:6, and 22:13? See https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+1%3A8%2C+21%3A6%2C+22%3A13&version=NASB. “NT-only churches” miss the subtleties of those Hebraic key words and phrases referencing OT passages.
Picking up on the 26th of the fourth month (the day after Joshua was presented at the Temple), the wise men of the “sect” called The Way (Heb. HaDerech) in Acts and the Dead Sea Scrolls met with Herod Archelaus then visited the family in Bethlehem; see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+2%3A1-12&version=NASB. After Joseph’s (Yosef’s) vision on the evening of the 27th, the family departed for Egypt that same night; see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+2%3A13-14&version=NASB.
Sidebar: Note that there was a 12 year gap between Luke 2 verses 38 and 39 when the family was in Egypt (confirmed in v42); see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+2%3A38-44&version=NASB. They returned to Nazareth from Egypt after Herod Archelaus died in 18 CE (confirmed in Matthew 2:15); see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+2%3A15&version=NASB. Why was the flight to Egypt not covered in the Lucan account? Because his was based on EYEWITNESS accounts (Luke 1:2), and the family departed under cover of darkness (Matthew 2:14); that is, there were NO WITNESSES! Apparently, Luke did not travel to Egypt to obtain evidence of the family’s residing there; therefore, it was excluded from his account.
False traditions such as Herod the Great being part of this narrative when he died in 4 BCE and the precepts of men creating the fanciful machinations of the three kings of Melchior, Caspar, and Balthazar HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO SCRIPTURAL BASIS! Who doesn’t think that the wise men of The Way in Qumran didn’t have the means to gift Joshua the Messiah (Yehoshu’a HaMashiach) with gold, frankincense, and myrrh after the discovery of the Copper Scroll? See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_Scroll.
In summation:
* Yochanan was conceived on the 22nd day of the twelfth month on the first day of the week in 4 CE.
* Yehoshu’a was conceived on the 22nd day of the sixth month on the first day of the week on the Feast of New Oil in 5 CE — exactly six months from Yochanan’s conception.
* Yehoshu’a was born during the census of Quirinius on the 15th day of the third month on the first day of the week on the Feast of Weeks (Shavuot) in 6 CE — exactly 38 weeks from His conception.
Sidebar: This is when the “sect” called The Way (HaDerech) in Acts and the DSS made new covenants. Christ’s birth ushered in the ultimate New Covenant! Josephus, a self-described Pharisee (and we know what Christ thought of them in the Eight Woes of Matthew 23) coined the derogatory term “Essenes” (=pious ones).
Fact #12: This historical record — corroborated from eyewitness accounts in chronological order (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1%3A1-4&version=NASB) — was written to Mattathias ben Theophilus** (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mattathias_ben_Theophilus), who served as the kohen gadol (=chief priest) in Jerusalem from 65-66 CE… just before the outbreak of the First Jewish-Roman War in 66 CE (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish–Roman_War).
**Note: He was referenced as Theophilus in Luke 1:3 and Acts 1:1 just as Yosef ben Caiaphas was referenced as Caiaphas.
The truth is out there if one seeks it. Shema Yisrael!
2 Timothy 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. (NASB)
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laschuetz
Jesus Christ was slain on Passover which is the 14th day of the first month.
When Christ died He was 33 1/2 years old
there are exactly 6 months between 7/15 and 1/14
count back from 1/14, 33 1/2 years and the day of birth is the 15th day of the 7th month.
I do not need all of the “stuff” you have assembled, and there is more.
2 Now the Jews’ feast of tabernacles was at hand.
3 His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.
His brothers were NOT disciples.
4 For [there is] no man [that] doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world.
5 For neither did his brethren believe in him.
6 Then Jesus said unto them, — My time is not yet come:— but your time is alway ready.
What “time” has not yet come?
7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
8 Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; — for my time is not yet “full” come.
Some “time” was not yet fully come?
9 When he had said these words unto them, he abode [still] in Galilee.
10 But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.
So His time had finally come and He went up unto the Feast.
11 Then the Jews sought him at the feast, and said, Where is he?
12 And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man: others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people.
13 Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews.
14 Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, —- and taught.
Please search for yourself – I find this is the first time Christ taught in the temple.
Why was this the first time Christ taught in the temple?
Numbers 4: 1 – 4
1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,
2 Take the sum of the sons of Kohath from among the sons of Levi, after their families, by the house of their fathers,
3 — From thirty years old — and upward even until fifty years old, all that enter into the host, to do the work in the tabernacle of the congregation.
4 This [shall be] the service of the sons of Kohath in the tabernacle of the congregation, [about] the most holy things:
As Christ turned 30 on the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles He could legally work as a priest in the Temple — His time had finally come.
laschuetz
have you read the scriptures showing the birth of Christ was on the Feast of Tabernacles, not Pentecost?
Christ was crucified as the Passover Lamb on 14 Abib. He was quickly buried before the ANNUAL SABBATH of the first day of Unleavened Bread on 15 Abib. He was dead and buried for THREE DAYS AND NIGHTS per the Jonah prophesy (15-17 Abib). He was resurrected on the WEEKLY SABBATH on 18 Abib. As He was of the order of Melchizedek (Heb. Malki-tsedeq; =my king is righteous[ness]), He supplanted the Levitical priesthood which originally commenced on 18 Abib; note the first lot fell to Jehoiarib per 1 Chrinicles 24:7-18; see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Chronicles+24%3A7-18&version=NASB.
Regarding the priesthood of Melchizedek; see Hebrews 7 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+7&version=NASB).
His empty tomb was discovered on the first day of the week on 19 Abib — just as the Scriptures state.
Christ’s ministry was certainly NOT 3-1/2 years; in fact, it was a little over one year. He was crucified BEFORE He reached age 30.
Luke 3:23 When He began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age, being, [h]as was supposed, the son of Joseph, the son of Eli… (NASB)
Most “Biblical scholars” state that Christ’s ministry was 3-1/2 years as THREE PASSOVERS are mentioned in the Scriptures. What they fail to comprehend is Pesach Sheni (Second Passover) on the 14th of the second month per TORAH!
http://www.haderech.info/DSS/Calendar/QumranCalendar.pdf
Truthseeker, you are where I was twenty years ago when I first started “groping for The Way.” You still have much to learn!
laschuetz
one more.
22 And the Holy Spirit descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, You are my beloved Son; in you I am well pleased.
23 And Jesus himself was about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, who was the son of Heli,
On The Feast of Pentecost Jesus was baptized and He was about 30 and then a little over 3 months later He became , fully, 30 years of age.
Yes, He was almost 29 years old at the commencement of His ministry, and it lasted for slightly over a year. LEARN about Pesach Sheni from Torah. He was conceived on the Feast of New Oil, which you know nothing about, in 5 CE and was born EXACTLY 38 weeks later on the Feast of Weeks in 6 CE during the census of Quirinius (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Census_of_Quirinius). Human gestation is 38 WEEKS from CONCEPTION to BIRTH! He was crucified on Passover in 36 CE — late in his 29th year. If He were born in 6 CE AS THE LUCAN ACCOUNT STATES, and his ministry was 3-1/2 years, then many of the political character IN THE SCRIPTURES died or were out of office!
* Herod Antipas was out of office; see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_Antipas
* Pontius Pilate was removed from office in 36 and died in 39 CE; see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontius_Pilate
* Yosef ben Caiaphas was removed from office in 36 CE; see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caiaphas
Hmmm… what MAJOR event would’ve occurred in 36 CE to have both Pilate and Caiaphas removed from office???
I could keep going. You, sir, have been deceived — as even I was — at one time before the Holy Spirit provided proper discernment.
laschuetz
“IF” – Christ were born on Pentecost and His confirming the Covenant began after baptism when He began to be about thirty.
as He died at 33 1/2 years of age —
demonstrate exactly 3 1/2 years from the Feast of Pentecost to Passover. That would be 42 months or 1260 days.
You must admit 3 1/2 years, 42 months, 1260 days is a time appointed by God for events.
All major events in God’s Plan of Salvation must and have occurred on one of the 7 Holy Feasts of God or God’s Sabbath.
What do you mean IF? Your logic and timeline have been refuted and debunked!
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Christ’s Birth on the Feast of Weeks (Shavuot) in 6 CE
False church traditions (unsubstantiated embellishments), the precepts of men (manufactured theology), and doctrines of demons (assimilated paganism) cloud the truth regarding Christ’s conception and birth. For starters, one needs to review the program entitled “Christmas Unwrapped: The History of Christmas” from when The History Channel actually presented history: https://youtu.be/XSQYX-OB1Rs.
According to this program, Mithraism and Saturnalia were assimilated from pagan Rome; that’s where December 25th falsely originated; see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraism, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus, and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnalia.
Arguably, the most important quote of “Christmas Unwrapped” occurs at the 7:31 mark: “So if you’re gonna sort through the runes of the Scriptures, Jesus was probably born in the Spring. If the shepherds were out in the fields watching their flocks by night, we’re probably not talking about one of the cold spells at the heart of winter.” — Forrest Church, Minister, All Souls Church
Note: I have no affiliation with this minister or church.
Many “Biblical scholars” discounted the Lucan account because of the mention of Lysanias, the tetrarch of Abilene, in Luke 3:1. They assumed it was this figure from circa 40-36 BCE; see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysanias. That was before the discovery of the Corpus Inscriptionum Graecarum (CIG) 4521; see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysanias#Archaeological_Lysanias. Again, the Word of God was vindicated as it repeatedly is via archaeology.
Furthermore, when the Book of Luke is placed within the context of the calendar from the Dead Sea Scrolls, not only can one know with GREAT CERTAINTY the month, day, day of the week, and year when Joshua* (Heb. Yehoshu’a/Aram. Yeshua/Gr. ‘Iesous) was born incarnate but when John (Yochanan) and He were conceived.
*Note: “Jesus” incorrectly originates from the transliteration of the Latin; it is NOT the translation. See the second footnote from Matthew 1:1 in Aramaic (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+1%3A1&version=NASB). According to the famous Hebrew lexicographer Reuben Alcalay, Yehoshu’a is closely associated with “Let there be…”
Returning to Christ’s conception and birth… the FACTS unfold as follows, and NO CHURCH currently teaches the truth:
Fact #1: Elisheba (Elizabeth) was six months pregnant in the sixth month; concentrate on vv26 and 36. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1%3A26-38&version=NASB
Fact #2: Tsekharya (Zecharias) was a Levite of the order/division of Abijah; concentrate on v5. https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=Luke+1%3A5-7&qs_version=NASB
Fact #3: The mute and shaken Tsekharya returned home immediately after his weekly course was completed, and Elisheba conceived a son. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1%3A8-25&version=NASB
Fact #4: This is the calendar documented in the Dead Sea Scrolls; see http://www.haderech.info/DSS/Calendar/QumranCalendar.pdf.
Fact #5: For Elisheba to be six months pregnant in the sixth month, Tsekharya (of the course of Abijah) had to have served in the 12th month. The only time this occurs is from the 14th-20th; see Cycle of Priestly Divisions… > Division Year 3 of 6 in the Qumran calendar above.
Fact #6: As Tsekharya (and Elisheba) were righteous and walked in ALL requirements and commandments of the Lord (Luke 1:6), he could not have traveled more than a Sabbath day’s journey (2,000 cubits) on the 21st of the 12th month, which was a weekly Sabbath. http://biblehub.com/topical/s/sabbath_day's_journey.htm
Fact #7: The first day that Tsekharya could have returned home (likely Kiriath Arba — aka Hebron — in the hill country of Judah) was the 22nd of the 12th month on the first day of the week. This was the day that Yochanan (John) was conceived.
Fact #8: After Miryam’s (Mary’s) visitation from the archangel Gavri’el (Gabriel) in the sixth month (Luke 1:26), she left IN A HURRY to visit Elisheba. At the moment of arrival, Elisheba was overcome by the Holy Spirit and knew that Miryam had conceived a child. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1%3A39-55&version=NASB
Fact #9: Exactly six months after Yochanan was conceived, Yehoshu’a was conceived. According to the Qumran calendar, that would have occurred on the 22nd of the sixth month on the first day of the week, which is the Feast of New Oil!
Sidebar: The Feast of New Oil was also the fourth of four agricultural feasts each occurring 49 days apart, exclusive (i.e., barley, wheat, grapes/wine, and olive oil). Olive oil was a component of anointing oil; see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+30%3A22-33&version=NASB. Also, the root of “Christos” (http://biblehub.com/greek/5547.htm) is “chrió” meaning “to anoint with olive oil” (http://biblehub.com/greek/5548.htm).
Fact #10: The gestation period for women is 38 weeks from CONCEPTION (not to be confused with last menstrual period or LMP) to birth; see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy. EXACTLY 38 weeks after Miryam conceived, Yeshoshu’a was born on the Feast of Weeks (Shavuot) on the 15th day of the third month on the first day of the week.
So, now we know the month, day, and day of the week of John’s conception and Christ’s conception and birth. Now, for the years.
Fact #11: Yehoshu’a was born in 6 CE during the census of Quirinius; see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Census_of_Quirinius. For the Scriptural reference, concentrate on v2; see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+2%3A1-20&version=NASB.
Sidebar: “Herod” was a dynastic title like Caesar and Pharaoh. The “Herod” at the time of Christ’s birth was Herod Archelaus; he was deposed that same year (after the “slaughter of the innocents” in Bet Lechem) and died in exile in 18 CE; see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_Archelaus. When did the “holy family” return from Egypt after Herod [Archelaus] died? When Yehoshu’a was 12 years old (18 CE – 6 CE = 12 years).
Sidebar: The only verse in the Gospels that contradicts this account is Matthew 2:22. The earliest extant manuscript containing that verse was from Papyrus 70 from the late third century CE (which is “a fairly reliable text, though it was carelessly written”); see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papyrus_70. The “early church fathers” were already at work destroying the truth!
This was what the “wise men of the east” of Jerusalem (Yerushalyim) — 15 miles as the crow flies — in the desert wilderness of Qumran saw on the Feast of Weeks in 6 CE; see http://tinyurl.com/mhbba3l. This was confirmed with our local planetarium in Baton Rouge. The “wandering stars” of Jupiter (representative of the Most High/Father) and Venus (representative of the virgin mother) as well as the conjunction with occultation of Uranus (representative of the Holy Spirit) and Mars (representative of the redemptive Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53) rose in the east in the constellation Pisces (representative of Israel). This “star” sign naturally moved from east to south towards Bethlehem (Bet Lechem) as the evening progressed — just as the Scriptures state.
On the eighth day after His birth (23rd of the third month), Joshua was circumcised per Torah (=instruction/Law; five Books of Moses). After 40 days (7+33 days) from His birth (25th of the fourth month), the appropriate sacrifices were made for a firstborn son; see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+2%3A21-24&version=NASB and https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+12&version=NASB. As they were poor and could not afford a lamb, they offered either a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons per Leviticus 12:8 and documented in Luke 2:24. They were poor because the wise men had not visited yet! It was on this day, the 25th of the fourth month when Joshua was presented at the Temple, that the following occurred with Simeon (Shimon) and Anna (Hannah); see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+2%3A25-37&version=NASB, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simeon_(Gospel_of_Luke), and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_the_Prophetess.
Sidebar: The “consolation of Israel” in Luke 2:25 is a reference to Isaiah 40; see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+40&version=NASB. Note also the key phrase of Isaiah 40:3: “A voice is calling, ‘Clear the way for the Lord in the wilderness…’” This is in reference to Yochanan’s instructing the “sect” called The Way in the desert wilderness of Qumran how to recognize their Messiah from the TaNaKh (OT). Not only was this exact phraseology employed in a handful of the Dead Sea Scrolls, it is also documented in ALL the synoptic Gospels concentrating on Matthew 3:3, Mark 1:3, Luke 3:4, and John 1:23: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+3%3A1-12%3B+Mark+1%3A1-8%3B+Luke+3%3A1-17%3B+John+1%3A6-28&version=NASB.
Sidebar: Likewise, the “redemption of Jerusalem” in Luke 2:38 is a reference to Isaiah 52 concentrating on verses 3 and 9; see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+52&version=NASB. Verse 6 is regarding the true pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton; see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton. Currently, rabbinic Jews recite “Adonai” for the Tetragrammaton invoking the Greek Adonis and Babylonian Tammuz. Christians typically say Jehovah or Yahweh, but the “vav” in yod-he-vav-he is also pronounced like the “o” in Torah, menorah, Eloah (singular form of Elohim), and Yehoshu’a (=Joshua, Christ’s REAL name) to name a few. A DSS fragment has it spelled ‘Iaw in Greek (iota-alpha-omega), which is consistent with Yahoah; see http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rs/rak/lxxjewpap/4QLevB.jpg. How much more meaning does that give Revelation 1:8, 21:6, and 22:13? See https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+1%3A8%2C+21%3A6%2C+22%3A13&version=NASB. “NT-only churches” miss the subtleties of those Hebraic key words and phrases referencing OT passages.
Picking up on the 26th of the fourth month (the day after Joshua was presented at the Temple), the wise men of the “sect” called The Way (Heb. HaDerech) in Acts and the Dead Sea Scrolls met with Herod Archelaus then visited the family in Bethlehem; see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+2%3A1-12&version=NASB. After Joseph’s (Yosef’s) vision on the evening of the 27th, the family departed for Egypt that same night; see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+2%3A13-14&version=NASB.
Sidebar: Note that there was a 12 year gap between Luke 2 verses 38 and 39 when the family was in Egypt (confirmed in v42); see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+2%3A38-44&version=NASB. They returned to Nazareth from Egypt after Herod Archelaus died in 18 CE (confirmed in Matthew 2:15); see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+2%3A15&version=NASB. Why was the flight to Egypt not covered in the Lucan account? Because his was based on EYEWITNESS accounts (Luke 1:2), and the family departed under cover of darkness (Matthew 2:14); that is, there were NO WITNESSES! Apparently, Luke did not travel to Egypt to obtain evidence of the family’s residing there; therefore, it was excluded from his account.
False traditions such as Herod the Great being part of this narrative when he died in 4 BCE and the precepts of men creating the fanciful machinations of the three kings of Melchior, Caspar, and Balthazar HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO SCRIPTURAL BASIS! Who doesn’t think that the wise men of The Way in Qumran didn’t have the means to gift Joshua the Messiah (Yehoshu’a HaMashiach) with gold, frankincense, and myrrh after the discovery of the Copper Scroll? See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_Scroll.
In summation:
* Yochanan was conceived on the 22nd day of the twelfth month on the first day of the week in 4 CE.
* Yehoshu’a was conceived on the 22nd day of the sixth month on the first day of the week on the Feast of New Oil in 5 CE — exactly six months from Yochanan’s conception.
* Yehoshu’a was born during the census of Quirinius on the 15th day of the third month on the first day of the week on the Feast of Weeks (Shavuot) in 6 CE — exactly 38 weeks from His conception.
Sidebar: This is when the “sect” called The Way (HaDerech) in Acts and the DSS made new covenants. Christ’s birth ushered in the ultimate New Covenant! Josephus, a self-described Pharisee (and we know what Christ thought of them in the Eight Woes of Matthew 23) coined the derogatory term “Essenes” (=pious ones).
Fact #12: This historical record — corroborated from eyewitness accounts in chronological order (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1%3A1-4&version=NASB) — was written to Mattathias ben Theophilus** (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mattathias_ben_Theophilus), who served as the kohen gadol (=chief priest) in Jerusalem from 65-66 CE… just before the outbreak of the First Jewish-Roman War in 66 CE (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish–Roman_War).
**Note: He was referenced as Theophilus in Luke 1:3 and Acts 1:1 just as Yosef ben Caiaphas was referenced as Caiaphas.
The truth is out there if one seeks it. Shema Yisrael!
2 Timothy 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. (NASB)
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“Catholics have sought to deify the mother of Jesus for centuries.”
Incorrect. Catholic teaching is that Mary is a creation. She is not a goddess.
She is the Queen of Heaven because God is King. She is Mother to God the Son and Spouse of God the Holy Ghost. She is His Spouse, because She conceived by Him. To say that She is not the Spouse of the Holy Ghost is to say that Jesus is illegitimate.
She is Co-Redemptrix because Jesus’ Blood came from Her. The same Blood that was shed for mans potential redemption.
She was born without original sin, because God does not dwell in sinners. When God’s Sanctifying Grace is in someone, sin is not.
“When a Catholic visits a priest for confession, that person is told to recite prayers to Mary”
No, not necessarily. Besides “prayers” to Mary are petitions for Her to pray for us to the One True God. “Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners..”
“The confession and prayers should be taken boldly to the throne of Christ.”
They are. For Christ established Confession:
John 20:22-23 “When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive the Holy Ghost. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.”
“Why go to His mother, especially when she is dead.”
Those who die with Sanctifying Grace have eternal life:
Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death. But the grace of God, life everlasting, in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
Ah, the Magnificat. Why go to His Mother? Because God set it up that way. Mary’s soul magnifies the Lord. Magnification makes something easier to see and therefore to know. You cannot know God without the magnifier He created, which is Mary.
Yes, Jesus is Mary’s Savior. Saved from ALL sin, because She was created to be the most chaste Spouse of the Holy Ghost, give birth to Jesus and to raise Him in all holiness. A sinner cannot do that.
trent — pure blasphemy,
catholic’s, having been brain washed from birth, will not understand until Rome is wiped off the face of this earth forever.
The saints of God are not saints from birth, they are called by the Father as adults later in life.
you said –”She was created to be the most chaste Spouse of the Holy Ghost”
trent – then a “ghost” is the father and not THE FATHER.
Then according to Rome, Christ lied when He stated none are good, no not ONE, and all have come short of the glory of God.
Catholic’s are taught from birth not to ask questions and never to think logically — in the 1st & 2nd resurrection that will change.
“trent – then a “ghost” is the father and not THE FATHER.”
I go by Scripture and Apostolic Tradition. In Scripture it states that She conceived by the Holy Ghost. Nowhere does it say She conceived by the Father.
“Then according to Rome, Christ lied when He stated none are good, no not ONE, and all have come short of the glory of God.”
Romans 3:23-24 “For all have sinned, and do need the glory of God. Being justified freely BY HIS GRACE, through the redemption, that is in Christ Jesus”
As I said before, Mary needed a redeemer. She was redeemed at the time She was conceived. She was FULL of God’s Redeeming Grace BEFORE Jesus was conceived:
Luke 1: 28 “And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, FULL OF GRACE, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.”
“Catholic’s are taught from birth not to ask questions and never to think logically”
Trent it is not apostolic tradition, it is simply lies fabricated by Rome.
Rome is a pagan city and the center of what is falsely called christianity and what is now called christianity are the daughters that came out of Rome.
. “Nowhere does it say She conceived by the Father.”
35The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God
trent the power of the MOST HIGH is the spirit of the Father,
Jesus Christ never called the Spirit His Father.
You, as all so called Christians, twist scriptures so they match what you want to be true.
But cheer up, Rome will soon be again the center of christianity and the entire world will look to Rome as the spiritual center of power – and then the end comes.
The Holy Spirit = The Holy Ghost. God is 3 persons in undivided unity. So, The Holy Ghost is the Most High.
Matthew 1:18 “Now the generation of Christ was in this wise. When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child, OF THE HOLY GHOST.”
Modern Rome is satanic and filled with masonic jews. Yes, it will be destroyed. The sooner the better. The Catholic Church is not dependent on Rome nor Vatican City. Our foundation and Head is Jesus Christ. I’ll “cheer up” when Christ restores The Catholic Church to Her former glory. Currently She is small and in eclipse.
trent even thought the brain washing you received from birth has harden into granite I will post these scriptures.
16 “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”
17 “If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.”
I John 3: 9
9 “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his [GOD} --seed --{sperma] remaineth in him [that person]: and he cannot sin, because he is born (begotten) of God.”
the Holy Spirit of the Father is in fact the spiritual seed with which we are impregnated by thus becoming the Sons of the Father, the Spirit is the Father’s spirit sperm.
and it has now began to be poured out on the very few the Father calls to Jesus Christ who is the heed of the body and head of God’s Church.
Acts 2: 17, 18
17 “And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out -“OF” – my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: “
18 “And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:”
Trent — a “ghost” can be poured out?? like oil and like water and this catholic invented term “ghost” with no name equated to water and oil is a third entity that does not speak in the first person??
MY Father gave me a logical mind to prove all things and expects me to use it –and catholic as well as so called christian doctrine is illogical thus it can not be proven.
TroothyTits
MY Father gave me a logical mind to prove all things and expects me to use it –and catholic as well as so called christian doctrine is illogical thus it can not be proven.
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YOU HAVE ADMITTED THAT YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR JESUS DEMON!
Trent, the Elohim is NOT a trinity. It is the family/tribe of the Most High including the Father, Holy Spirit, Son (who was the firstborn of Creation), seraphim, cherubim, arch-/angels, and Heavenly host.
Truthseeker, you have likewise been brainwashed from birth — as we all were.
laschuetz I agree but I was not purposely brain washed by catholic nuns and priests from birth.
And I had no “religious’ (pagan) training ever and I did not even attempt to learn the Truth until I was 28 years old. I never opened a Bible until I was 28.
I considered a young man that was “religious” to be a queer. Thus I ran from “pagan’ religions. and still do
Even the paganism of Catholicism carried over to Protestantism after the Reformation. Also, rabbinic Judaism has its roots in Pharisaism; see what Christ thought about that in Matthew 23:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+23&version=NASB
Modern Judaism has Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform “sects.”
Trent, the RCC has certainly made Mary into a lot of things unsupported by the Scriptures; it certainly is a mother goddess religion. Where in the canonized NT does it state that:
1. she is the Queen of Heaven (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Heaven),
2. she is the Co-Redemptrix (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-Redemptrix),
3. anyone is to pray to her (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hail_Mary),
4. she is our intercessor (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercession_of_the_Theotokos),
5. she was conceived immaculately (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception),
6. she was born without original sin (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_sin),
7. she was a perpetual virgin (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_virginity_of_Mary), or
8. she is currently in Heaven [i.e., her Assumption] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_Mary)?
In fact, it doesn’t. The only superlative given to Miryam, who the RCC calls Mary, was that she was “blessed among women.” The NT states that Joshua, who the RCC calls Jesus, had four brothers and at least two sisters. Ya’akov (Jacob), who the RCC calls James, was so prominent that he made the decision regarding Gentile believers at the First Council of Jerusalem; he was one of the four brothers.
Show me just ONE VERSE from the NT where it states that Rome was the church established by Cephas (Peter), the apostle to the JEWS (circumcision), or where he ever visited Rome. If he never visited Rome, how could he be the first pope? lol Again, you can’t; it’s lies interspersed with an inkling of truth, but it’s still lies. REPENT!
He wouldn’t have needed to have visited Rome to have been Apostolic foundation of the Church. The Apostolic basis of the Roman Catholic Church is Peter NOT Rome.
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Matthew 16
13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, He questioned His disciples: “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven.
18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
20 Then He admonished the disciples not to tell anyone that He was the Christ.
21 From that time on Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and that He must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.
23 But Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me. For you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”
22 Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him. “Far be it from You, Lord! he said. “This shall never happen to You!”
23 But Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me. For you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”
demon
The Apostolic basis of the Roman Catholic Church is Peter NOT Rome
then why was it moved from The City of Peace, God’s City Jerusalem to Rome, Satan’s city?
Matthew 21:43 “Therefore I say to you, that the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and shall be given to a nation yielding the fruits thereof.”
God’s “City of Peace” is the Church He established. It is not the chunk of dirt in the Middle East.
you catholics need to take another look at verse 18: when Jesus says “on this ROCK I will build my church, the word there is petra, meaning ‘”big rock”…the word for Peter is petros, meaning “little rock” or pebble….when Jesus says that he will build his church on the big rock, he is referring to himself, not that pebble, Peter. The church is built on no other foundation but Christ.
see: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matt+16%3A18&version=SBLGNT
TRoothyTits
It WASN’T based in Jerusalem. The verse above IS TELLING YOU that it was founded in Ceasarea Phillipi. The REASON why it was founded there was because that was home to the largest and most OBSCENE expression of PAGAN IDOLATRY in the are of Palestine.
jknbt
The ROCK that Jesus was referring to wasn’t Peter (or himself) it was a rock that still exists in Caeserea Phillippi and was the most profane site in ancient Palestine.
It was an EARHLY and profane foundation. And it was also PETER.
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For the casual reader with no geographical context, this sounds no different than “Jesus took the disciples down the road to the neighoboring village”. However, having just come from Bethsaida, this means that Jesus decided to take his disciples on a 32+ mile round trip to Caesarea Philippi, the only recorded trip Jesus took to that region or anywhere remotely like it.
Rock of the GodsCaesarea Philippi, the modern day reserve of Banias in the Golan Heights region of Israel, was established by Ptolemaic Greeks as a hellenistic city, where the worship of the god Pan was centered. By the early first century, Caesarea Philippi (named in 2 AD by Herod Philip in honor of Caesar Augustus) was reviled by orthodox rabbis, and it was taught that no good Jew would ever visit there.
This city, which sits at the foot of Mount Hermon, butts up against a large cliff, referred to as the ‘Rock of the Gods’, in reference to the many shrines built against it. Shrines to Caesar, Pan and another god (possibly the fertility goddess Nemesis) were all built up against this cliff. In the center of the Rock of the Gods is a huge cave, from which a stream flowed (after 19th century earthquakes, the stream began flowing out from the rock beneath the mouth of the cave). This cave was called the “Gates of Hades”, because it was believed that Baal would enter and leave the underworld through places where water came out of it.
Pan NicheIn first century Israel, Caesarea Philippi would be an equivalent of Las Vegas – Sin City – but much worse than the modern city in the American West. In the open-air Pan Shrine, next to the cave mouth, there was a large niche, in which a statue of Pan (a half-goat, half-human creature) stood, with a large erect phallus, worshipped for its fertility properties. Surrounding him in the wall were many smaller niches, in which were statues of his attending nymphs. On the shrine in front of these niches, worshippers of Pan would congregate and partake in bizarre sexual rites, including copulation with goats – worshipped for their relationship to Pan.
And so, one day, Jesus took his twelve disciples, most likely all of whom were in their teens or early twenties (but that’s a story for a different day), and said “we’re going to Caesarea Philippi” (if he even told them where they were going).
he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
“But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” (Matthew 16:13-16)
Nymph NicheNow, we don’t know for sure where they were standing in the Caesarea Philippi region, but Jesus’ next statement gives us an idea that they may have been standing within sight of the Rock of the Gods.
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. (Matthew 16:17-18)
Jesus continues his short lesson, ‘calling’ (the greek literally meaning shouting at the top of his voice) to the crowd and his disciples.
Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: “If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me and for the gospel will save it. What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.” (Mark 8:34-38)
This begs a few questions: What crowd did He call to him? Could it have been the Pan worshippers? Any crowd from this region would NOT have been religiously Jewish. Was the last statement aimed at his disciples, who might have been embarrassed at the spectacle Jesus was creating?
So What?
The Catholic tradition has taken Jesus’ pronouncement in Matther 16:18 to mean that Jesus was declaring that the church was to be built on the authority of Peter and the other disciples. It is true that they led the early church, so this would be a possible interpretation.
The Protestant tradition has taken Jesus declaration here to say that His church was to be built upon the confession recognizing Him as the Messiah and the Son of the living God. This is a valid interpretation, as well, and is a practice supported by other scriptures.
Pan ShrineRay VanderLaan and other Hebrew contextual scholars suggest a third interpretation which may be just as – if not more – powerful as the others, based on the context. Why would Jesus choose this place, the filthiest (morally) place within walking distance of his earthly region of ministry?
Might it be possible that he took his talmidim to the most degenerate place possible to say to them “THIS is where I want you to build my church. I want you to go out into the repugnantly degenerate places, where God is not even known. I want you to go out to places that make Caesarea Philippi look tame, and THAT is where I want you to build my church.” Because that is exactly what they did. They went to places in Asia Minor and the ends of the earth, where “gods” were worshipped in unspeakably awful manners and where Christians would be persecuted in horrific manner, and they gave their lives doing EXACTLY what they were told to do by their Rabbi.
I don’t know about you, but when I hear the story of Caesarea Philippi and understand it in its context, it comes to life in ways it never had before.
TroofyTits
Why WOULD Jesus have founded His church in Jerusalem?
HE FOUNDED IT BEFORE HE WAS CRUCIFIED.
He predicted that the Temple was going to be destroyed so WHY WOULD HE FOUND A CHURCH IN IT if it was just GOING TO BE DESTROYED (until the time of the Gentiles are fulfilled? Where would His Church be?
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Luke 21
20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near.
21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city.
22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written.
23 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people.
24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
St. Peter’s name wasn’t originally Peter. His name was Simon. Jesus changed his name to Peter, which means rock, then immediately said that He will build His Church upon that rock.
The Popes are Stewards. Jesus is Head of the Church.
Peter was the apostle to the JEWS! Paul was the apostle to the GENTILES and certainly visited Rome. The RCC can’t even get its own history straight. It’s lie after lie after lie… Well, we’re not buying the BS anymore.
Iaschuets
The population of Judeans in the time of Christ was possibly as much as somewhere between 4-8 million people (in a Roman Empire that had a population somewhere between 50 – 150 million people). This could have been as much as
1 IN 10 PEOPLE IN THE ROMAN EMPIRE.
These were NOT all in Judea.
PERHAPS many of them were even in a cesspit llike ‘BABYLON’
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1 Peter 5:13
She (the CHURCH) who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.
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LOOK!
He is a PAPA!
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WHERE DID ALL THE WORSHIPERS OF THE GOD OF THE JUDEANS…..GO?
They were ALL converted by Peter.
They were Peter’s Church.
Damien, 1 Peter 5:13 is a reference to Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia; see 1 Peter 1:1. Although based in Mesopotamia, the Babylonian empire stretched northward into modern day Turkey et al.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQguO8V6bE6yvjm3ApXikoVwdf0fltn7UI1dEXbhKwYLlvqxg
That’s why when the “northern kingdom” is mentioned in prophesy, it is referencing the ancient Babylonian empire (although its capital was to the east of Israel). Likewise, Egypt is known as the “southern kingdom.”
I already went over this before…
1. God is King, so the Mother of God the Son and Spouse of God the Holy Ghost is Queen.
2. She conceived and gave birth to the Savior, so She is Co-Redemptrix.
3. We petition/ask Mary to pray for us. “Holy Mary, Mother of God, PRAY FOR US sinners…” Everything we receive comes from Her Divine Son.
4. All Christians are followers of Christ. So, all Christians are intercessors. Mary is the highest after Her Divine Son.
John 2: 3-5 “And the wine failing, the mother of Jesus saith to him: They have no wine. And Jesus saith to her: Woman, what is that to me and to thee? My hour is not yet come. His mother saith to the waiters: Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye.”
5. Romans 3:23-24 “For all have sinned, and do need the glory of God. Being justified freely BY HIS GRACE, through the redemption, that is in Christ Jesus”
Luke 1: 28 “And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, FULL OF GRACE, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.”
She was FULL of God’s Redeeming Grace BEFORE Jesus was conceived. It happened in the womb at the time She was conceived. At no time did the devil have hold of the Mother of God.
6. The Immaculate Conception is being born without original sin. So 5 and 6 are the same thing.
7. She is the faithful Spouse of the Holy Ghost, so yes, She is a perpetual virgin. Not only did She make a vow of virginity so did St. Joseph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1LxJW7b_Yc
https://youtu.be/s9fZV8rG71c
8. All those who die with Sanctifying Grace have eternal life:
Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death. But the grace of God, life everlasting, in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
And not only is She bodily in Heaven, old testament Saints are also bodily in Heaven, which includes St. Joseph:
Matthew 27:52-53 “And the graves were opened: and many bodies of the saints that had slept arose, And coming out of the tombs after his resurrection, came into the holy city, and appeared to many.”
“The only superlative given to Miryam, who the RCC calls Mary, was that she was “blessed among women.””
Untrue. Scripture also says She magnifies the Lord. The fact is nobody can know Jesus without Mary His magnifier.
Jesus’ “brothers and sisters” were his cousins.
All Apostles had an important role. All of them formed Apostolic Tradition. That is why it is called “Apostolic.”
No Church was established by St. Peter. Christ established the Catholic Church. Damien posted the Scriptural quote in his post, so you can read it there. St. Peter was Christ’s first Steward (Pope):
John: 15-17 “When therefore they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me more than these? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: feed my lambs. He saith to him again: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: feed my lambs. He said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved, because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee. He said to him: feed my sheep.”
How do you know St. Peter never went to Rome? Were you with him? Followed Him wherever he went? Where in Scripture does it state that he never went to Rome? Anyway, the Catholic Church is not dependent on Rome, nor Vatican city. The jews have taken over the Vatican and Church Hierarchy, but the Church still exists. She is small and in eclipse, but still there. Our Foundation and Head is Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. It is in Him that we depend.
Then, explain the “sect” called The Way (Heb. HaDerech) in Acts. This was the TRUE church! Even Paul said:
Acts 24:14 But this I admit to you, that according to THE WAY [emphasis mine] which they call a sect I do serve the God of our fathers, believing everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets; 15 having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. 16 In view of this, I also do my best to maintain always a blameless conscience both before God and before men. (NASB)
Where was Saul going to persecute the men and women of THE WAY under direct orders from the Great Sanhedrin?
Acts 9:19 Now Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest, 2 and asked for letters from him to the synagogues at Damascus, so that if he found any belonging to THE WAY [emphasis mine], both men and women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem. 3 As he was traveling, it happened that he was approaching Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him; 4 and he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?” 5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” And He said, “I am Jesus whom you are persecuting, 6 but get up and enter the city, and it will be told you what you must do.” (NASB)
Now, read the Damascus document from the Dead Sea Scrolls. The men and women of THE WAY would send their first born sons to the desert wilderness of Qumran to study. Even John studied there; see Luke 1:80. Do you think his parents would simply let their only son born late in life roam around aimlessly in the desert? These chaste, Israelite males are the 144,000 of Revelation.
The Catholic church has ALWAYS hidden the Hebraic roots of Christianity; it is a tool of Satan to establish a false mother goddess religion. However, it is NOT Mystery Babylon — also likened to Sodom and Egypt; that is a reference to modern Jerusalem, and by extension, Israel.
Peter was anything but the first bishop of Rome! lol https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Peter Just more lies…
God wants peace.
God wants war.
God wants famine.
God wants chain stores.
Roger Waters from “Amused To Death”
Warning to Catholics serving God in Vain as “Foolish Galatians”
you catholics serve God in vain because you have never repented in the first place:
1) Worshiping gods/goddesses other than the one God through prayers to saints & angels (breaks first commandment)
2) Using idols, icons, statues & etc as part of worship, strictly forbidden (breaks second commandment)
3) Works salvation….take a good long hard look at the letter to Galatians, and you will realize you have fallen from grace. Being baptized, trying to be a good person, & doing good works doesn’t save anyone, you foolish Galatians…salvation is only by grace through faith
4) Jesus said people who turn from the bible and teach the doctrines of man are serving God in vain…see Matt 15:9
Repent while you can. You have been warned.
See:
https://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0082/0082_01.asp
Catholics will fill their churches the Sunday after the Rapture. They will ask their priests, “What just happened” and “Why were we left behind”…I hope you will consider what I am saying here so that you are not among them.
jknbt, you were SO close until you mentioned the rapture. SMH
Matthew 24:29 “But immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION [emphasis mine] of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky [lit. heaven], and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect [lit. chosen ones] from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. (NASB)
Mark 13:24 “But in those days, AFTER THE TRIBULATION [emphasis mine], the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light, 25 and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect [lit. chosen ones] from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven. (NASB)
This represents two witnesses in the synoptic Gospels. So, if ANYONE teaches a pre-tribulation rapture, they are a false teacher; it’s as simple as that. Matthew 10:22, 24:13 and Mark 13:13 all state that those who endure to the end (i.e., remain a believer in Christ until death or are still living at His return) will be saved.
brief summary of the Pre Trib Rapture/Partial Rapture sequence of events
Lascheutz, there are many raptures, “catching away” events in the bible:
1) Enoch Hebrews 11:5 Genesis 5:24
2) Moses who was given a vision of the promised land by vision, or caught up by an angel carrying him over the land Deut 34:1-4
3) angel who announced Samson’s birth Judges 13:20
4) Elijah 2 Kings 2
5) Jesus Luke 24:1-53 (went to heaven as great high priest to offer atonement) Acts 1:10-11 (ascension)
6) OT saints at Jesus’ resurrection Matt. 27:51-53
7) pretrib rapture of saints CAUGHT UP INTO HEAVEN 1 Th. 5:2-4 Revelation 4:1-2 Luke 17:33-35 I Corinthians 15:50-52 John 14:2-3 I Thessalonians 5:9 Revelation 3:10 Luke 21:36
8) midtrib rapture of two witnesses Rev. 11:11, 12
9) post trib rapture of saints CAUGHT UP INTO THE AIR, meet the Lord, then return with him to earth to rule I Cor 15:23 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Mark 13:27 Zech 14:5 these saints come with the Lord also I Thessalonians 3:13
10) general resurrection of all, caught up to the white throne judgement Rev. 20:11-15
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PRE-TRIB PARTIAL RAPTURE MINI-STUDY:
Here is a very brief summary of the Pre Trib Rapture/Partial Rapture sequence of events the Bible teaches…(guaranteed to offend post-tribbers, pre-wrath, mid-tribbers, preterists, and amillenialists…so be sure & take your blood pressure meds in advance, I don’t want anyone to get a stroke getting all upset).
The Bible teaches the Lord catches away his saints in many different events.
* There will be Christians on earth ready to be caught up into Heaven in the Rev 4:1 pretrib rapture. The “wise virgins” (Matt. 25) will get to go. These people are saved, born again, and have the earnest of the Spirit within (oil in the lamps). The marriage feast is in HEAVEN, not in the air, so these people go to heaven. The Rev 4:1 Rapture is the unexpected “thief in the night” rapture, where the Lord catches away the genuine Christians who are ready to go. These people are caught up into HEAVEN for judgement and to participate in the Marriage Feast .
* The Raptured saints will have their personal life review. Only those clothed with good works get to stay in Heaven for the Marriage Feast (Matt 22:11-14). Those who do not have the covering of good works will be expelled, another surprising fact never taught.
* Unfortunately, many will be left behind. Some will stay behind by choice, since this is what Luke 14 teaches. Some will be too busy with their petty little personal concerns to be bothered with all this Marriage Feast worship service they have been invited to. Some will be shocked that they were never really saved in the first place. These are the “almost Christians” who like Herod said that they were almost converted by Paul’s preaching (Acts 26:28). Multitudes will finally take the gospel seriously and become born again. Yes, there will be a lot of confused, upset, fully accountable 14 year-olds in church the Sunday after the Rapture wondering what just happened?, and why were they left behind? * The lukewarm Christians and mere professors (“foolish virgins”) who were never really born again will be left behind & will have to go through the Tribulation. Hopefully they will learn their lesson not to be lukewarm, but rather zealous, by then.
* All catholic denominations do not preach the millennium, end time events, or the Rapture. They instead rely on prayers to the Jezebel mother goddess (Mary) for their hope and help. Jesus plainly says that he will purposely make them go through the Tribulation (Rev. 2:22). This scary scripture may apply to all the denominations that never teach the gospel that is in End Times preaching.
* There will be multitudes all over the world who convert to Christianity after the pretrib rapture. Intense persecution will erupt worldwide over against them. (Matt 24:9-11)
* The two witnesses and the 144,000 Jewish evangelists will finally convert the Jews. The work of the two witnesses and the 144,000 will be granted great effectiveness. The elect all over the world will finally be converted. The devil will kill the two witnesses after their work is complete. They will be resurrected and raptured according to Rev. 11.
* The work of conversions of the elect will continue even through the last half of the Tribulation. The devil will kill these people as soon as they are found out in the horrific worldwide persecution (Matthew 24:7-11).
* The Lord will gather the elect from the four corners of Heaven together with his angelic army.
* The Lord will gather the elect on earth together at his coming. At the Second Coming, those martyred during the Tribulation and those that are alive and remain will be caught up into the air. There they will receive their glorified bodies. They will do a round trip turn-about and return from the air with the Lord in the Second Coming.
* The Lord will defeat the enemies of Israel at Armageddon, judge the beast and false prophet, cast the devil in chains into hell, and set up his throne in Jerusalem. He will reign 1000 years, “the millennium”. The Lord will work the surprisingly severe “Tare Harvest” of Matt. 13:30, where the wicked and unrepentant willful sinners all over the world will be executed by angels.
* At the end of the Millennium, Satan will be loosed. The children of humans who went into the millennium will be tested. All will fail and fall. After that, all will be resurrected and caught up to the White Throne Judgement (general resurrection)
Mr. Lascheutz, you need to understand the difference between HEAVEN and the AIR. The Rev 4:1 rapture takes the saints to heaven where the marriage feast of the lamb will be held. The Tribulation saints & martyrs will be caught up into the AIR at the Lord’s Second Coming (1 Thessalonians 4:17). The difference here is very plain. Why do so many stumble at this teaching? Don’t get a stroke getting all offended. I know you people don’t (or can’t) believe this. I am putting it up to counter the endless deluge of heresies and false teachings that show up on BIN to give a little perspective to the matter.
thanks, John Rolls, nice article
For those defending the Catholic faith, your current Vicar of Christ (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicar_of_Christ) — which is a blasphemous replacement theology in and of itself — stated that the Most High is NOT omnipotent and that he finds no issue with the Big Bang and evolution theories. He’ll be one of the first to be thrown into the lake of fire known as Gehenna during Judgment Day on a future Yom Kippur.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-declares-evolution-and-big-bang-theory-are-right-and-god-isnt-a-magician-with-a-magic-9822514.html