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Come up Hither: Rapture Is Imminent

Tuesday, February 13, 2018 17:15
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COME UP HITHER: The Rapture is Imminent

 Revelation 4

1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

By Pastor Jospeh Chambers  /  Paw Creek Ministries

No one can doubt that the Rapture is imminent. The anger against Donald Trump is so vile that there can be no explanation but “a hatred for Biblical values.” The President is doing everything in his power to restore the past values of America. This nation was built on family values, rule of law, and love of country. The absolute hatred for all of these past standards is beyond understanding. Our world is under the delusion to establish a “One One Order,” and President Trump is in their crosshairs. Only our Heavenly Father can protect us until Jesus comes.

The Bible is exact about the rapture of the saints of God before the Tribulation begins. The Bible shows us a multitude, and I mean a huge multitude, being saved after the Rapture. It’s heart breaking when you see the hellish sorrows that the entire world will be subject to after the saints are gone. More and more it looks like the great end times revival will be after the Rapture. Let’s first look at the fourth chapter of Revelation.

Any view of Revelation chapter four that does not allow for the triumphant Rapture of the saints is woefully inadequate and an embarrassment to the truth. It is the grandest picture of the true church and the overcoming saints who were brought up from the Lion’s mouth unto the King’s throne. The blood-washed saints that were hated by the world had faced their persecutors for the last time. Giving up the world, they had gained the grandest seats around the throne of the Father.

This chapter is the beginning of the glory that has been promised to the saints since the opening of the Holy Bible. From seats around the throne to the city of the throne, the saints will never suffer shame again. They are His saints; they will take up positions as His elders until they march forth as His army, reign as Kings, and possess the city of the Bride.

Revelation chapter four moves us past the Church Age, where His saints are pilgrims and strangers on this earth. After the opening of chapter four, everything revealed in this book is future prophecy. The pilgrim saints become serving elders that sit on lesser thrones and participate with the Father and the Son in the redemption of this earth. Redemption in the Bible is always a judicial business incorporating cleansing, judgment, and the renewing and perfecting of that which sin has corrupted. The authorized elders, Cherubim, and angels will serve the Lamb of God during this process.

This chapter is the opening volley, and ultimately the universe will be perfectly redeemed. From the rebellion in heaven, where Satan and his angels were cast to the earth, until Satan presents his false Christ and false spirit, every act of evil must be presented and judged at the bar of justice. It will be seven years of perfect redemption until the earth is fit for the King of Kings to rule and reign.

The great Jehovah God is seated on His throne in the celestial heavens and is fully prepared for the heavenly court. Over six thousand years have passed since a serpent possessed by Lucifer walked into the garden and deceived God’s perfect couple, Adam and Eve. From the venom of lies in the garden, sin has touched every offspring of Adam. The upheaval of the earth by the Noahic flood left its scars on a sin-cursed earth. There is not one element of the created world unspoiled by the flood of evil, and it’s now time for redemption.


Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

The celestial city of Jerusalem, now in heaven, and its inhabitants are the only untouched geography in the cosmos, and the court will be held in its temple. David must have had a slight view of this seven-year session.“Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness. Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King. God is known in her palaces for a refuge.” (Psalms 48:1-3).

The court proceeding that must be held in this city demands a Pre-Tribulation Rapture to transfer the saints from their graves or from their living on earth to fulfill their appointed place in the judgments. This earth is the Lord’s and He has appointed it to His saints to possess for eternity. It has been clearly stated that we shall judge this earth, and our removal to this grand event is unquestionably guaranteed. The fight against the Rapture is a last-ditch battle from the devil to prevent us from our heavenly task. The proceeding cannot begin until we arrive at our appointed seats before the throne.

Come Up Hither! After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter (Revelation 4:1). Please look carefully at this truth. The scene in heaven was visible to John. It was a drama for him. He did not hear it described, he saw it in action. The Lord said, “I will shew thee things which must be hereafter”,. speaking of the Church to which John had just delivered seven letters.

There is no event on God’s calendar that demands a door opened into heaven from the earth’s advantage except the Rapture. This great vision by John incorporates all the fine details that Scripture associates with the saints being caught up to meet the Lord in the air. “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord”. (I Thessalonians 4:16-17.

Before John sees the throne in heaven, he hears the voice of Jesus Christ “as it were of a trumpet” saying, “Come up hither.” The trumpet voice gave details to John to make sure the church would understand this further information as “hereafter” or following the letters to the seven churches. Nothing from this point in Revelation can be a historical event. This was clearly stated in the introduction of chapter one. “Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter” (Revelation 1:19). All through chapter one, two, and three the whole vision and scene is the High Priestly appearance of Jesus Christ and His letters to His churches.

 2 Peter 3

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

John is clearly caught up into the heavens to view further proceedings that demand his presence. He is going to witness the glorified saints seated in positions of honor and dressed in attire that would be impossible on earth. Everything he sees and writes from this verse has no connection to the Church Age and its kingdom business, which the Scripture identifies as the spiritual kingdom “that cometh not with observation. Then Jesus told them that the Kingdom was still future. “And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you” (Luke 17:20-21).

“And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald (Revelation 4:2-3). What John was about to witness demanded that a spiritual dimension temporarily overshadow him. This again proves that his vision was beyond the physically observable age of the church and was a prophetic view of future events. No one can stand before God’s throne or even view God’s throne until our bodies are glorified. “For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven” (2 Corinthians 5:2).This vision given to John was for our future hope and demands the Rapture to fulfill its glory.

In the Spirit, John looks on the majestic throne of Almighty Jehovah, where our Heavenly Father is seated in His glory. The description given to us is limited by human language inadequate to reach to such heights of splendor. The glory was such that the writer could only compare it with the grandeur of rare jewels. There was a gleam of glory and overwhelming splendor making Him incomparable to earthly beauty. The dazzling colors of a rainbow were seen overshadowing the throne and its occupant. The throne itself was in sight like unto an emerald. No earthly wonder has ever been so described.

How can we question that something is about to transpire that the ages of human pain has longed to behold? Ten thousand gods have imitated God the Father and have tried to possess His kingdom. They all have faded into defeat. The last of those gods are soon to disappear. His presence settles the God-questions of the rebellious multitudes. The proceedings that will issue from His throne will not leave any questions or doubts. His glorious presence became the backdrop of the rest of this great masterpiece of literature called REVELATION” Every scene from this point forward must be understood as the acts and transactions of Him, His Son, His Holy Spirit, and His appointed elders and angels. He is sovereign God, and all glory and honor must flow from His throne.

And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind (Revelation 4:4-6). All three of these verses begin with references to the throne of God and He that is seated in His majesty, Notice the progression, “And round about the throne”, “And out of the throne”, “And before the throne.” That is breathtaking language. and John both heard it and saw it.

 Luke 21

31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

First, “round about the throne” are the saints of God that have been promoted to elders. No more pilgrims and strangers traveling through a weary land, but exalted, glorified, and seated “round about the throne.” The judgment seat of Christ has occurred, and His saints have been promoted to their lofty positions. They are seated after a lifetime of pilgrimage and sorrows. They are clothed in sparkling-white raiment, which is the righteousness of the glorified elders. They are crowned with crowns of gold, and this is just the first day of eternity for all of them. I can hardly wait because He has paid our debt of sin and redeemed his chosen so we can be there. The Rapture is at the door and Satan is fighting with a fury.



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  • Pink Slime

    NO! Christians must go through the Rapture. It says so in the Bible so stop FOOLING people. :twisted:

    • Pink Slime

      LOL! I meant the TRIBULATION not the Rapture. :lol:

  • jknbt

    not everyone gets to go…there will be a lot of surprised people in churches the sunday after the rapture….

    question for you, mr author: are there second chance type raptures available for people at the mid trib when the two witnesses go up, or also perhaps at the second coming?

    • Just me

      THERE IS NO RAPTURE! All the scriptures you think refer to a rapture actually are talking about the second advent! And the Wrath of God is not the same as the tribulation. The wrath of God is the Day of the Lord and happens at the END of the seven year tribulation. It is God’s judgment on the world. Try READING the Word for yourself instead of listening to false teachings.

      • Crazy times

        And none of your scriptures you quote say’s there’s not, a rapture either Just me opinions; are you denying Gods Ordinances and Precepts of rescue of the righteous ? who escaped as shown throughout Scripture, now that would be foolish!!,especially when HE gave you the examples of Noah and Lot ….you go read the Word in context instead of thinking the Second advent is the appearing, they are clearly different.

  • Truthseeker

    a bunch of folks are in for a huge disappointment, I wonder who they will blame? Certainly not themselves.

    Do you people ever read prophecy?? why do you think everything will remain as it is now, store full of stuff and people going to work and “then the sunday after the rapture”— really all is normal ???

    It is the Day of the LORD that comes as a thief in the Night NOT the tribulation. before the tribulation even begins 2/3 of America will be dead.

    everything from this moment on is going to get more and more difficult to just live, stress is already rising putting families into conflict, markets are getting ready to crash, war is breaking out all over the globe, earthquakes are increasing, weather is now extreme, inflation is set to drive prices to the moon.

    You rapture folks are going to experience everything you hoped to miss — when America begins to fall and you are still here and all your friends at your rapture church are still here and there is no food and disease is killing millions — who will you blame?

    • Crazy times

      A bunch of folk will experience an Exhilarating, Amazing. Spectacular event as the Lord ALWAYS keeps His Promises


      Titus 2:13 as we await the blessed HOPE and glorious APPEARANCE of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.

      Romans 5:5 – and HOPE does NOT DISAPPOINT.

      “a bunch of folks are in for a huge disappointment, Yes they sure are

      “Those will be the NAYSAYERS and their nakedness will be revealed when the BRIDE DISAPPEARS.

      • Just me

        NONE of the scriptures you quoted refer to a rapture. Are you just pulling them out of the air? We are not so easily fooled.

    • Jan Beute

      Qiuck, run and tell Noah to stop building the ark (Isaiah)

  • The Ferrett

    Nowhere, NOWHERE in scripture is it taught that man as a transformed body and spirit is lifted up to Heaven at any time.
    So obviously the Pre tribulation Rapture deception represents yet another false teaching.

    When we are absent from the body, we are present with the Lord (2 Cor 5:8).
    1 Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    The timing of when the Elect are changed is obviously at the end of the tribulation period, which has a duration of three and one half years.

    Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets
    Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

    Rev 10:7, refers to Rev 11:15, which is the seventh trumpet. This is also a reference to the last trumpet mentioned in 1Cor 15:52.
    The last trump is at the end of The Great Tribulation period on earth, when we shall be changed, and put on incorruption and immortality. The Pre tribulation Rapture deception is a heresy, and is one of many false beliefs adhered to by those who are merely playing church.

    Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
    Our redemption and Salvation are one in the same and are realized upon Christ’s second coming. Where our Lord is, there also is His kingdom. His first coming was to allow for our salvation, and the second will be to bring our salvation.
    2 Tim 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom.
    The Pre tribulation Rapture deception allows for a certain group to escape the judgment, which is impossible.
    1 Thess 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which are dead in Jesus will God bring with him.
    The dead in Christ, are the first to put on incorruption and immortality. Contrary to the Pre tribulation Rapture deception teaching, Christ descends from heaven with the elect, He does not take anyone up to Heaven (1 Cor 15:42-53, 1 Thes 4:13-17).
    1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first
    Is it really plausible that Christ would both bring the dead with Him to earth, and then takes those from earth up to heaven? The Pre tribulation Rapture deception story quickly looses credibility in light of the true teachings of Christ Jesus.
    Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him.
    If we truly were taken to heaven as taught by the Pre tribulation Rapture deception group, Christ would not need to bring anyone to earth.
    1 Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the cloud, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    This verse above is the primary one used by those who teach of the Pre tribulation Rapture deception . After the tribulation the Lord returns in a cloud, and all eyes shall see Him (Rev 1:7). There is no secret gathering, Christ only returns once, and it is to be very visible.
    Mark 13:24-26 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

    • Truthseeker

      Study these scriptures,

      Immediately AFTER the Tribulation comes the 6th Seal which are the heavenly signs, moon turns to blood ect. and then after the 6th Seal comes the Day of the Lord which is the 7th Seal

      Would you not conclude the 5th seal comes before the 6th and the 7th and thus the 5th Seal is the tribulation?

      The tribulation is not 3 ½ years, the 5th , 6th and 7th seals occur during the 3 ½ years.

      The Sixth Seal:

      Revelation 6

      12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
      13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
      14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places

      Joel 2

      30And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
      31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

      Matthew 24

      29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

  • Truthseeker

    Joe Chambers, you had better find a good place to hide — all those you sold this rapture lie to are going to come for you when the seven years of the time of the end begins and you and they are caught in the famine, disease and war that will take two third of America to their graves. 200,0000,000 will die before the Great tribulation begins.

    World war three is the 4th Seal and the Tribulation follows that war, the Tribulation is the 5th Seal.

    You will not sit in church preaching about, hoping for and expecting a rapture much longer. Your mind will be focused on survival and that next meal.

    • Crazy times

      Joe chambers has a better handle on Scripture than your 1967 Catholic Quotes and ramblings from your own estimates. gathered from who knows where ?

  • truck driver

    I noticed churches spin definitions of Bible Scriptures like the left wing liberals. When definitions are right the Bible Scriptures fit together like a puzzle. For instance in Romans it says we are saved by the life of Jesus Christ and not what we do in our own lives. Then look at other scriptures that go along with that like John 9 the only work we need to be saved is to believe. That Jesus Christ died on the cross, was buried ,and resurrected from the dead after 3 days. If we believe this as payment for our sins we are saved and going to heaven

  • Truthseeker

    A question for all you foolish folks hoping for a rapture and you too crazy

    Paul here in Hebrews 11 talks of all those men and women of GOD, those of great Faith, and all they accomplished by that TRUST in GOD.

    and for what great accomplishments of trust/faith will you rapture folks use as the reason you get to escape what ALL these men and women had to endure?

    What? showing up on sunday’s and singing a few hymns and dropping a few bucks in the plate??

    God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ allowed all of these strong of faith –SUFFER UNSPEAKABLE VIOLENCE but you, you get a pass??? Really why what is so special about you????

    32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:

    33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,

    34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

    35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance;———– that they might obtain — a— better ——–resurrection:

    AND —- what do all of the above get for enduring for suffering great pain and loss until their end???

    A BETTER Resurrection — not a better rapture — and if there is a “Better” Resurrection then this, then there are other resurrections not equal to the FIRST. there are 3 resurrection: first is to life; the 2nd to judgment and the 3rd to condemnation.

    36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:

    37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;

    When crazy have you been mocked or scourged or imprisoned or were sawn asunder or were slain with the sword and when were you afflicted and tormented and destitute?? all you do is run your mouth.

    38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

    • Truthseeker

      COME ON — ALL you folks that are focused on nothing but a rapture to save your butts from a little pain — answer the questions above —

      Please give us the reasons why “YOU” personally should escape what all those men of old had to endure???

      37 They were stoned, —- they were sawn asunder, — were tempted, — were slain with the sword: === they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; — being destitute, — afflicted, — tormented;

      Compared to them — you are what? —- spiritual midgets??

      When you are here on this earth and millions begin to die — will you curse God?

      • Crazy times

        “When you are here on this earth and millions begin to die”

        There are multitudes who have seen millions die on earth in WW1 WW2 and Possibly WW3 to come but none of this proves a rapture will NOT occur before the Antichrist is revealed

    • Truthseeker

      This is the third comment on the subject: why are you so special, see the two comments above this one,

      I expect not one person will or even can address this question in a logical rational manner.

      But will this give pause to a single rapture ‘hoper’? Nay!

      By the way the “Hope” is eternal life not heaven.

    • Crazy times

      truthavoider…”the reason you get to escape what ALL these men and women had to endure?”

      The reason is simple accursedseeker…. :arrow: it’s the Word of God… a PROMISE… “as it is written”… Sealed with GOD the HOLY SPIRIT, “A GLORIOUS A NEW COVENANT” which we believe in BY FAITH ALONE (proof of works follow) …… :idea: the Disciples drank from the same CUP as many do today, you’ll comes as you are called, a day has been set when He say’s “NO MORE DELAY” and at that time, end of the Age of Grace, HE COMES BY HIMSELF to take HIS BRIDE, as HE PROMISED TO THE FATHERS HOUSE.

      Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE ALL THINGS that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

      Standing on the Word of God is not escapism

      Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee FROM the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

      Isaiah 26:20
      …19Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise. You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, :arrow: And the EARTH will give birth TO THE DEPARTED SPIRITS. :idea: 20 :arrow: Come, MY PEOPLE, enter into your rooms And close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while Until indignation runs its course. 21For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;

      How your gonna ask ?…You know full well it’s… “as it is written” shown to YOU many times but your a DENIER of His Promises and His Word, your an outsider, a reprobate ; Looking in :twisted: an accuser of the brethren…HIS PEOPLE.

      GOD Who Speaks to His CHURCHES through HIM who guides us IN ALL THINGS “the Comforter “… The one whom you say HE DOES NOT EXIST :roll: :roll: :roll: and you think you can lecture His People :lol: :lol: :lol:

      And your a NONE CHRISTIAN to boot …lol go figure!!

      Cinders 7777 quite quickly got you drift, d…bo !!! worst of all you propagate this crap onto your OWN CHILDREN …the horror of it!!!, once the Rapture has occurred, they’ll come looking for YOU, Oh the Shame !!!you’d better be ready with an answer.

      Honestly take Cinders suggestion as your making an ass out of yourself with your stupid crap you posted to childish not worth a reply .

      • Truthseeker

        crazy why would you quote this scripture??

        20 Come, MY PEOPLE, —- enter into your rooms And close your doors behind you; —Hide for a little while Until indignation runs its course.

        21 For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;

        verse 20 is not describing being raptured to heaven? “your” rooms, “your” door and hide for a little while??

        crazy you twist every single scripture.

        even Revelation 3: 10 you twist — ” Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

        Crazy I KEEP the Word of Jesus Christ —- you not so much

        those that obey will be kept from the “hour” a very short time, from what? Temptation.

        The time of the end is 7 years and the tribulation does not even begin until the mid point of the 7 years, and before the tribulation even begins famine. disease and war will kill two thirds of the population of the nations of Israel.

        it is after the two thirds have died that God steps in and protect His people by letting them escape into the wilderness.

        Crazy do you think God’s Heaven is a wilderness?

        Crazy you will twist scriptures until the dying begins — then you will know you have been lie to by Satan.

        Crazy I fellowship with those of like mind and there are very few of us in God’s Church.
        and when the time of the end begins so called christians will put us to death thinking they do Jesus Christ a service.

        • Crazy times

          “I fellowship with those of like mind and there are very few of us in God’s Church.”

          of the 40,000 you deny,ALL MAINLINE CHURCHES then What pray tell is this one, the few of you are in ?what is it’s name or are you ashamed to say ?

          I have not one thing in common with what I call the 40,000 flavors of so called Christianity.
          I have not one thing in common with….so called Christianity.

          • Truthseeker

            crazy I will not bring persecution on my brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ.

            I will never point them out to folks that will do them harm.

            crazy —- there will be NO rapture — ever!

            Crazy; Christ and the Apostles talk about the Resurrection not a rapture — a resurrection to eternal life is totally different then a rapture to heaven.

            I choose eternal life and reject the satanic rapture with every thing in me now and for ever more I reject even the word rapture!!

            Is that strong enough ???

        • Crazy times

          avoider wrote…”when the time of the end begins so called christians will put us to death”

          seeker matey your Own family may want to put you to death once the rapture occurs, the few who are in your church of God, knowing then HE never knew YOU ALL.


          • Truthseeker


            Should I repent of resting on the Sabbath, as did Jesus Christ?

            Should I repent and not keep the 7 Holy Feasts of the Lord, as did Jesus Christ?

            Should I repent and no longer obey the commandments, as did Jesus Christ?

            Should I repent from obeying the Statutes of clean and unclean meats, the same Statutes Christ obeyed?

            What exactly is it I am to repent of crazy – repent of not following you on that wide path to destruction? I pass, but you may continue on that path until the end, its your choice.

  • Anonymous

    Amen, and one day closer, praise the Lord!

    Titus 2:13-15 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

    1 Thessalonians 5:9-10 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

    John 14:1-3 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

    (By the way, just imagine, the New Jerusalem, that makes Trump Tower look like a slum! I mean, can you imagine what the Creator has prepared, going on a couple thousand years now?)

    Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

    Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

    And pray for those who have no hope. But, otherwise,

    Psalms 32:11 Be glad in the LORD and rejoice, you righteous; and shout for joy, all you upright in heart!

    We have a great Savior, and praise His Holy Name, Jesus, for only He is worthy!

    • Truthseeker

      anonymous so what style home i.e. mansion, will you be given?

      do you want 3 or 4 bedrooms and how many baths?

      will it have air conditioning?

      will it be frame or block?

      will it have a garage for one car or two or even three?

      Why, anonymous, would any that are part of the first resurrected and are raised with the same spirit body as Jesus Christ, Phil 3: 21, have need of an enclosed building in which to live?

      Why would a spirit being need a bathroom, a bedroom or a kitchen? Or even a roof for that matter??

      • Cinders777

        Truthseeker?! Ha! Hardly.

        Why would you assume heaven’s going to be a reflection of everything we have on earth? Because you don’t understand scripture AT ALL nor do you want to. It’s just easier to say stupid crap like “there isn’t going to be a rapture because the word isn’t in the bible!” You’re actually bringing God down to a level lower than man with ignorant comments like that. God can do ANYTHING he wants, including hiding the truth from his children to be revealed at a later time (by Paul).

        The rapture is a MYSTERY, dumbo. There are TYPES of the rapture in the old testament as a foreshadowing of what is to come, just like God raised up men who were TYPES of Jesus Christ.

        You also ask why would we not have to go through the tribulation. Once again, your ignorance of scripture comes shining through! It’s not going to be persecution like you see today. The violence and unbelievable blood shed is beyond what we can even IMAGINE. And I put this to you: why are the Christians who died before us (particularly the ones who weren’t persecuted) not going to have to go through it, too? NO RAPTURE DENIER I’ve ever read explain that. And it’s because they CAN”T.

        The critical point is that the tribulation is God going back to dealing with the JEWS.

        I suggest you stay away from commenting on biblical topics because you clearly don’t have the mind of Christ to discern the truth. Nor are you rightly dividing the Word of God including the dispensations.

        All I know from reading your posts is that your savior is not the same as mine. I bid you good luck.

        • Truthseeker

          Cinders 7777

          There are 3 resurrections in the Word of God – not even one vague mention of a rapture and None — no not one — has ever gone to the 3rd heaven but HE that came from heaven, Jesus Christ. That is what Christ said.

          How do you explain Revelations 20: 5?

          Your rapture is so mysterious it can not even be found in the WORD.

          Cinders why can’t God protect HIS own people here on HIS OWN earth??

          Did He not protect the children of Israel from the Egyptians?
          Did He not protect the 3 friends of Daniel,
          Did He not protect Daniel from the lions?

          ON and on.

          The Tribulation is the “Time of Jacob’s Trouble” and of the 12 tribes i.e. sons of Jacob, only two are called Jews.

          Are you even aware God divided the 12 tribes after the time of Solomon? 10 tribes became the House of Israel and two tribes became the House of Judah,

          Are you aware Jesus Christ married all 12 tribes in the wilderness and then much later divorced the House of Israel and was still married to the House of Judah when He came to earth to become our Passover?

          The above is all clearly stated in the Word.

          There are NO dispensations and the word “divide” does not mean you are to divide up the time it means correctly handling the Word, using and understanding the WORD correctly

          And you are correct we follow different Saviors, I have nothing to do with the 40,000 flavors of what is falsely called Christianity.

          • Damien


            Are you aware that Jesus forbade divorce?

            and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery

          • Truthseeker


            What do the following scriptures in Jeremiah state?

            31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

            32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake,******** although I was an husband ****unto them, saith the LORD:

            6 The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.

            7 And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.

            8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery
            *******I had put her away,
            *****and given her a bill of divorce;
            *****yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

            9 And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.

            10 And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD.

        • Truthseeker

          cinders since you brought it up I will address it.

          I do not assume heaven is like earth as no one will be going there –and there are no mansions i.e. dwelling in heaven.

          Jesus Christ is KING of Kings and LORD of Lords,, do you know who those kings and lords are??

          Rev 5: 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

          Rev 20: 4 And I saw thrones, —–and they sat upon them,—– and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;———- and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

          The Saints of God will sit on thrones as Kings ruling with Jesus Christ on HIS Throne here on the earth judging the 12 tribes of Israel that will have been given the Land promised to Abraham— there is nothing to rule in the 3rd heaven.

          The meek shall inherit the earth— the earth — not heaven.

          5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. —— This is the first resurrection.

          6 Blessed and holy is —- he that hath part in the first resurrection: —— on such the second death hath no power, ——– but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

          Cinders did you read the above?? He that has part in the FIRST RESURRECTION –THEY SHALL REIGN WITH JESUS CHRIST FOR 1000 YEARS HERE ON THE EARTH.

          Cinders if there is the “first” would it not follow there must be at the least a second resurrection?

          Do you suppose Christ meant the first rapture ? nope not a chance.

          cinders I have been stating here on BIN for years once the 7 year time of the end begins by the end of the first 3 1/2 years over 200 million Americans will have died from famine, disease and war. — Yes I know how bad it will be and MY FATHER can protect me at ground zero of a 100 megaton blast and my clothes will not even smell or be damaged.

  • Truthseeker

    “Rapture Is Imminent” — as in a few moments, a few minutes, a few hours, a few days -weeks, months or a few years?

    Which is it?

    should I pack my bags or is this a — “come as you are” — event?

    Since Jesus Christ states clearly every eye including those that pierced Him i.e. the Romans, shall see His return; does that mean if you are in bed sleeping in the nude you will rise to meet Christ in the nude? His “Return” or just a near miss.

    What if you are taking a shower or bath at that moment, — in the twinkling of an eye, — does that also mean you will rise naked to meet Christ?

    I wonder if all these situations have been taken into account??

    What if you are scuba diving on the Great Barrier Reef off Australia and you are 100 ft down??

    what if you are under the knife in surgery or hooked up to a kidney machine??

    What if you are a pilot flying 300 plus folks at 30,000 feet? and what if the co-pilot is ruptered as well?

    Wow Have you guys thought about the what if’s ????

    this my first time at thinking through these what if’s. Have thought through them?

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