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 Revelation 6

1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

By Pastor Joseph Chambers  /  Paw Creek Ministries

     The sinful world’s last fling is now in motion. There can be no question that wickedness has reached its zenith. God’s cup of wrath is 99.9 percent full. What I’m saying is not a maybe so. You may be laughing but it’s the last sounds of your folly. What I’m saying to you is exactly what the Bible teaches. Listen to Apostle Peter’s strong warning. “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness.” (II Peter 3: 9-11)

     John the Revelator paints the perfect picture of this coming hour. Can you imagine the multitudes that will repent after the Rapture that knew better but would not give up their love of the world? There will be such a multitude killed or slaughtered by the Antichrist crowd that burying them decently will be impossible. The viciousness of these dark servants of the Antichrist and his mob will be so great that the dead will beg God to avenge their deaths. “And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.” (Revelation 6: 10-11) My warning is “do not wait a day longer. Get ready for the Rapture.” Let’s listen to more from the last revelation of the Lord.

     THE BOOK OF REVELATION IS A BREATHTAKING DRAMA. From Chapter One to Chapter Twenty-two, except Chapters Two and Three, are in every case a living theatrical production. John saw the Book come alive before his face. There will probably be at least fifty articles in this series about what John saw. Do not miss one of them for they make the Book of Revelation a “Living Picture” and simple for you to teach others and to awake lost souls. The word “saw” or synonyms of that word are used over sixty times in twenty chapters of the Book Of Revelation.

     No picture in this revelation is more graphic than the multitude of dying or dead saints, martyred for their faith in Jesus Christ. This vast number is clearly the multitudes that missed the Rapture but repented and became willing sacrifices for Christ. This scene shows up first in Chapters Six almost as soon as the Seven Years of the Great Tribulation begins.

Jude

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage.

     When the Lamb of God had opened the fifth seal, the text tells us what John saw. “I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held…” (Revelation 6:9b) They were physically dead but yet alive. They had been martyred but were now awaiting their resurrection. Their death had been so gruesome that even in this glorious place and clearly beyond the instrument of their death they were pained to remember how they died. John saw and heard as they cried aloud. “And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?” (Revelation 6:10) I know of no place in Scripture where death did not hide the suffering that preceded the death. But this is the Great Tribulation of which Jesus said, “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.” (Saint Matthew 24:21-22)

     John saw them given “white robes” and told to rest and await as the carnage continued on the earth. These were the first to turn to Jesus Christ and die by the “One World Religious System” and the government powers of the “One World Order”. These already put to death or martyred for their new found faith could rejoice that death has spared them from the ongoing calamity on earth. John wrote what he saw happen to them. “And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.” (Revelation 6:11)

 1 John 2

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

     This drama gives us a picturesque view of the hellish treatment awaiting anyone that misses the Rapture and even thinks to be saved. The cost of discipleship today does not touch the cost of discipleship after the Rapture. The devil will have lost the prize of the “Bride of Christ” he so determined to destroy. The remnant repenting will be seen as the last vestige of our present effort to warn the world. He will shake his fist at us in heaven while he slaughters our sons and daughters left behind. “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” (Revelation 12:17)

     John does not just view their death and the sorrows of such horrible suffering. He sees the triumph also. We move to Chapter Seven and this great multitude that have died are no longer under the altar but caught up to be guest at the wedding supper. They can no longer count on being in the Bride but can be part of the great banquet celebration. They are a multitude from all over the earth. There is no longer a heathen world that has never heard the name of Jesus. Both the lie of Lucifer and the truth of Jesus Christ is known by all the earth’s population.

1 Thessalonians 2

So being affectionately desirous of you, we were willing to have imparted unto you, not the gospel of God only, but also our own souls, because ye were dear unto us.

For ye remember, brethren, our labour and travail: for labouring night and day, because we would not be chargeable unto any of you, we preached unto you the gospel of God.

10 Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe:

     All nations will know and will be a part of these scenes. “After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.” (Revelation 7:9-10) There will certainly be an incredible number of those that know enough of the Gospel and truth to quickly repent of their unprepared spiritual condition. I believe the vast population of heathens, false religions, and post-Christian churches will now learn the truth and have the privilege for the price of martyrdom for Christ. Do not miss a later scene that John the Revelator saw that we will call “The Guest At the Wedding Supper.”

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    • Pink Slime

      You are misquoting the Bible and taking it out of context. One thing is CLEAR – Christians are TO GO THROUGH the Tribulation. Many will be slaughtered.

      Than is why Yahusha said, PRAY that you are WORTHY to escape all these things and to stand before the Son of Man. :cool:

      • Truthseeker

        pine slime

        if these rapture folks refuse to believe Jesus Christ, it is certain they will not believe you and I.

        “The meek shall inherit the earth” and the rapture folks twist that in to “inherit earth while in heaven”.

        When it is clear — they ain’t going to heaven — they will turn on God and each other.

        • Psp

          Neither one of you know what you are talking about. As far as inheriting the Earth, yes but whoever claimed we will do so from Heaven? We will return at the end of the tribulation and we will inherit the earth at some point after that. In fact we have once and it was stolen but will be given back.

          You none rapture beliebing folks yap about how the bible “clearly” says the church will go through the trib….really? No it does not and in fact the Bible is full of examples of God keeping those heaven bound from His wrath and the tribulation He will also. He reserved noah and his family and would habe any others out there if they never was corrupted. The 10 plaques upon egypt God tod His people to cover thier doors in the blood of a sacrificed lamb so they would passover them. The Bible supports the rapture more so than not. If i could remember some other points id say it but bottom line is YES THERE WILL BE A PRE-TRIB RAPTURE. you know the parable of the foolish and wise virgins with the oil? You rapture non believers are the foolish. I suggest yall compare scripture with scripture because there is nothing that says the Church right before the trib will be here and that which you think teaches it….doesnt.

          • Truthseeker

            psp show one clear scripture that states even one human has or will ever go to heaven — ever!

            I have studied ALL the scriptures and there is not ONE the even vaguely alludes to a rapture.

            My Father can protect me at ground zero of a 100 megaton blast.

            • Crazy times

              Accursed one :You’ve been given heaps of clear Scripture regarding heaven, and yes Your Father-in- LAW is Satan he will keep you toasty and warm ,protected underground with him, due to you being one of his a wretched Tares.

              REPENT seeker while you can DON’T waste another day, 50 Yrs is enough time going around that mountain, in the Wilderness with the Tablets of MOSES :arrow: be CONVERTED to the “Glorious New Covenant” His Ecclesia His People the BRIDE, become a child of God, as the Rapture approaches (and “YOUR shame will APPEAR” when the Bride Disappears) which will be Exhilarating ,Spectacular ,and Awesome for those 50% WISE Virgins who we’re “ACCOUNTED WORTHY Luke 21:36 KJV: TO ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS”, don’t listen to slime :arrow: “as it’s by Grace we are saved through Faith AND NOT OF OURSELVES LEAST ANY MAN BOAST ” ….Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV

              But you like boasting seeker don’t you, I do this, I do that , and what gets me is your foundational SDA Creed is from a Witch a prophetess who claimed SHE WENT TO HEAVEN and saw the 4th Commandment in a HALO lol etc etc etc no Probs with her heavenly visit Hypocrite!!!

            • Truthseeker

              Crazy why do you repeatedly refuse to heed the words from the mouth of our Savior??

              27 But those mine enemies,—- which would not that I should “”"reign”"”" over them, bring hither, —–and slay —– them before me.

              crazy it is you that must repent from transgressing the Holy Law Jesus Christ wrote by His own finger — What you call — “wasting time with the tablets of Moses.”

              Crazy I willingly want my Master to reign over me — you refuse and Jesus Christ, if you do not repent — will say to HIS angels —bring hither, —–and slay —– “crazy” before me.

              I am working on a challenge for all those deceived by the satanic rapture which includes YOU.

              But as always you will just twist and misquote the Holy Word of God.

              Repent crazy from your iniquity.

              and I have a paper on BIN now explaining what you use as an excuse to disobey, the false doctrine of Grace, is not at all what you want it to be.

              But your mind is closed to truth —so sad.

              your great “Hope” is escaping physical pain! WOW, that it ?? I pass.

            • Crazy times

              blindseekingTruth said…”and I have a paper on BIN now explaining” :shock: :roll:

              What you don’t get is, His CHURCH People, have the Rock, The Word “as it is written” , we don’t need your Psychotic paper fantasies on, how in your OWN estimates, things will turn out as we KNOW as WE have God the HOLY SPIRIT to guide US IN ALL THINGS .. a HE who you say doesn’t exist !!! :roll:

              Repent naked one from your wretchedness and Ask, Seek, and you will find, comes as a child, trust NOT in your own estimates, but be guided by HIM the Holy Spirit :arrow: as the Father knows the mind of the Holy Spirit.

              What will you tell your daughters once the Bride has gone in the Rapture and they SEE your NAKEDNESS and How YOU deceived them with YOUR MANY words

              Oh the SHAME…. :cry:

            • Truthseeker

              crazy you are most diffidently guided by a spirit, BUT it is not God the Father’s Spirit because that “spirit” leading you — hates — the Holy Law of God.

              Crazy, Satan is a liar # 9, and a murderer #6, and refused to obey God’s Law — if that HOLY LAW was abolished then Satan is no longer a liar or a murderer,

              crazy I have never in my 77 years on this earth put one foot in a SDA building, I do not even have friends or relatives that are SDA –

              In the New Testament, God’s Ecclesia, 7 times, is called “The Church of God’ and one time “the Church of Christ” — that is the body I to which I claim to be a member.

              I am not and never have been a member — nor will I ever be — of one of the 40,000 favors of confusions — you are most welcome to fellowship, until the cows come home, with all 40,000 but on pain of death I refuse!!!!!!!!

            • Damien

              BlindToTruth

              And to SPELLING it seems. It was only to be expected. It’s sad the way these things develop so suddenly. :cry:

              :lol:

            • Crazy times

              Okie dokie Mr reformed SDA …

              So now you EVENTUALLY claim to be “the Church of Christ” …. :roll:

              “Though not officially recognized as distinct movements :arrow: until 1906, the separation of the Churches of Christ and the Christian Churches” Wiki…..

              Humm I checked them out on a couple of sites, they have about 60% of your nonsense but there ends the connection as they DON’T bang on about the 4th Commandment like you do.? :twisted:

              “They view the Old Testament as divinely inspired[13]:103 and historically accurate, “but they do NOT consider IT’S LAWS to be binding under the New Covenant in Christ”Wiki.

              “there is great liberty from congregation to congregation in interpreting what is Biblically permissible”… Sounds like Chaos, believe what you like Yikes!!!

              “Weekly observance of the Lord’s Supper[15]:124 on SUNDAY[13]:107[14]:238″Wiki

              I did note…. they have NO CREEDS to speak of ?…again like you :shock: ,They call themselves Christian!!?….YOU DON’T ? would YOU call yourself a CHRISTIAN seeker?

              “Refusal to hold to any formal creeds or informal “doctrinal statements” OR :arrow: “statements of faith” Wiki……Yep sounds like you again as you make it up as you go too !.

              Nonetheless a SDA last year NOW a reformed abomination from 1906 who believes the Catholic statement of 1967… is still WRETCHED, an unbeliever is an unbeliever :idea:

              YOUR CONgregation has SEPARATED from…. His People the CHRISTIAN CHURCHES, (those who believe in the TRIUNITY, those who have in common the 6 CHURCHES of Rev)

              So be it Blindspotseeker the Last Church admonishments are for YOU.. Rev 3:15-16

              Use your SPOCK LOGIC you claim to have If you have Ears to Hear… HEAR !!

            • Mayhem

              You can take that as a no, Truthseeker, no there aren’t any clear scripture verses stating even one human has or or will ever go to heaven — ever!

              Lots of opinion though, there’s never any shortage of that, eh?

            • Crazy times

              2 Corinthians 12:2

              2I know A MAN in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the :arrow: third heaven. :idea: Whether it was in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows. 3And I know that this man—whether in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows

              God knows a Man who was CAUGHT UP to the Throne room, even if YOU DON’T acknowledge it :arrow: HE KNOWS…..4was caught up into Paradise

              Gods OPINION no shortage of :arrow: “as it is written”

            • Crazy times

              MAYHEM “no there aren’t any clear scripture verses stating even one human has or or will ever go to heaven

              — ever!”…… :shock: :???: :!:

              2 Kings 2:11. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind to heaven…..the Old Testament ………”the things that are”

              2 Corinthians 12:2 A MAN in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the :arrow: third heaven. :idea: …the New Testament ..”the things that will be”

              Revelation 11:12
              And the witnesses heard a loud voice from :arrow: heaven saying, “Come up here.” And they went :arrow: up to heaven in a cloud as their enemies watched them….”the things that are hereafter”…future

              Ever!!!

              “…as it is written”

              Gods OPINION

            • Truthseeker

              Crazy

              Please produce the “creed” that was taught by Jesus Christ or any of the 12 apostles – creeds are man made.

              Show me one scripture where a Creed is taught. Show us where the disciples sat together and repeated a Creed.

              No. the Church of God, The Body of Christ –there is only ONE

              Check who out? On what sites? There are many human groups that have taken the Name Church of God but that does not make it so.

              Those I fellowship with are very few in number – in the state I live there may be about 500, may be !

              Just because some one claims to be Christian does not make it so — and the doctrine of a trinity is of Satan.

              Paul’s statement: it was so real he could not tell if it was a vision or that he was in heaven.

              “”I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the
              kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.””

              Crazy Paul was flesh and blood –thus he could never go to heaven. The 3rd heaven is spirit, not flesh.

              And

              “’Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? … Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? …”’

              Crazy, Paul used the term “wrongdoers” exactly what is “Wrong” in the eyes of God??? Give us the scriptures. Is there not a list of things that are wrong in God’s eyes or do we create our own list?

              Paul stated in Hebrews 11 that THEY ALL DIED NOT having received the promise and that includes Elijah and Enoch.

              Crazy what you follow is invented in your mind — you follow men, not Jesus Christ.

              You rarely quote Christ because you are not following Jesus Christ. You follow Paul as his words are easy to twist.

            • Damien

              DoofusSeeker

              Please produce the “creed” that was taught by Jesus Christ or any of the 12 apostles – creeds are man made.

              Show me one scripture where a Creed is taught. Show us where the disciples sat together and repeated a Creed.

              ====================

              15 Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

              3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

              ———————

              Now explain WHY you HATE the CHRISTIAN Gospel Abdull

            • Mayhem

              2 Kings 2:11 is interpreted by many as the ascension of Elijah to heaven however the men who were with Elisha, when Elijah was taken, didn’t seem to think so and believed they could still find Elijah here on earth. Plus there’s the fact that Elijah wrote a letter to King Jeroham, some 10 years after his supposed ascension, which rather flies in the face of God’s method for delivering scripture to us. Not to mention this passage refers to the very same heaven in which birds fly (Gen 1:20) where the sun, moon and stars reside (Deut 4:19) which cannot be the same place Jesus would go to sit at the right hand of God or else we would be able to see His throne from earth.

              2 Corinthians 12:2 is Paul speaking of a trance he experienced in which he received surpassingly great revelations but he didn’t want to boast about it (2Cor 12:6) even though it was true.

              Revelation 11:12 speaks of the sky where rain comes from (Rev 11:6) plus they went up in a cloud and because clouds only exist in earth’s atmosphere they obviously did not go to the same place that Jesus ascended to. Not to mention those taken up were once killed (Rev 11:7) and resurrected (Rev 11:11) therefore the passage you cherry picked, out of context, does in no way answer the question.

              More importantly, Crazy times, was Jesus forgetful or deceitful when he said…

              “No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man”- John 3:13

              … or are you unfazed by forcing contradictions upon scripture?

            • Damien

              Yeah CrazyTimes

              Citenship IN Heaven DOESN’T mean that persons will be in heaven. It can just mean that that their citizenship is IN God. OBVIOUSLY that wouldn’t mean that they ARE God.

    • Truthseeker

      You rapture folks are 100% focused on escaping pain and miss the important things of God,, in two days there will be a full moon, the night of March first.

      That means in 30 days there will be another full moon and that moon will be full on the night of March 30 and at sundown the preparation for Passover ends and the Feast of Unleavened Bread begins.

      This Feast of God is a commanded assembly for all those called and chosen of God. The night of the 30th begins 7 nights and 7 days of eating unleavened bread. Leaven symbolizes sin. A little leaven leavens the whole loaf.

      Even “IF” it were true that heaven is where you may go — God the Father would never allow even a tiny tiny speck of “Leaven” in to HIS Kingdom.

      6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

      7 Purge out therefore the old leaven (sin), that ye may be a new lump, —- as ye are unleavened. — For even Christ — our Passover — is sacrificed for us:

      8 Therefore—— let us keep the feast, —- not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

      Paul taught we are to keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread

      Is Christ “your” Passover or your easter?

      • Damien

        EASTER

        Acts 12:4

        4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

        • Truthseeker

          that word in Greek is Passover, the Jews did not keep easter as it is pagan

          • Damien

            TwithoodSeeker

            YOUR ‘Jews’ ARE PAGAN numbnuts.

    • I_AM_THAT_I_AM

      who believes this stuff? I cant understand how so called thinking people can think this is true, get a life

      • Crazy times

        Blindtwistedseeker….You clearly said :arrow: Your a “church of christ” guy which btw follow NOT your SDA creed of the Old Testament this Sabbatarian cult of yours, which is a bit of this, and a bit of that, and a bit of Catholicism from 1967 and Saturnday keeping, this is your Creed from SATAN and the Pit….YIKES!

        You said…”Please produce the “creed” that was taught by Jesus Christ or any of the 12 apostles”

        I’m not getting tangled up in your word games I’m too smart for that :lol:

        You said…”Paul’s statement: it was so real he could not tell if it was a vision or that *he was in heaven.” “Paul was flesh and blood –thus he could never go to heaven. ”

        He wasn’t talking of HIMSELF ….. :roll: :roll: :roll: He said He :arrow: KNEW A MAN…. Phew!!!

        And that MAN HEARD and SAW :arrow: after he was caught UP! into Paradise.

        IT DOES NOT SAY HE HAD A VISION Mr Twister… :twisted:

        YOU said …”Paul stated in Hebrews 11 that THEY ALL DIED NOT having received the promise and that includes Elijah and Enoch.”

        Heb 11:13…”not receiving the things they were promised” and exiles on the earth.

        Heb 11….v16 Instead, they were longing for a better country, :arrow: a heavenly one :idea:

        Philippians 3:20….But our citizenship is IN HEAVEN. And we eagerly await a :arrow: Savior from there

        Third HEAVEN clearly OUR CITIZENSHIP….a Heavenly Home

        Heb 11:16 …. 16Instead, they were longing for a better country, a heavenly one

        the whole point is the “PROMISE OF ETERNAL LIFE” is BEGINNING @the Rapture when WE CHANGE TO SPIRIT….Then they will receive it, in the Heavenly home, New Jerusalem, which comes DOWN FROM HEAVEN WITH THEM IN IT and GODS NEW NAME ON THEM….Revelation 21:2 :idea:

        You said …”and that includes Elijah and Enoch.”

        Of course it does, for MAN is to DIE ONCE then Judgement…..Hebrews 9:27 KJV

        So the TWO Witnesses will BE ….. / ….. who when slain will be given their PROMISE …..

        Revelation 11:12
        And the witnesses heard a loud voice from :arrow: heaven saying, “Come up here.” And they went :arrow: up to heaven in a cloud as their enemies watched them

        You said…”You follow Paul as his words are easy to twist.”…..CLEARLY it’s YE who TWISTS his words :idea:

        • Crazy times

          Addendum…You said …”and that includes Elijah and Enoch.”

          Of course it does, “for MAN is to DIE ONCE then Judgement”…..Hebrews 9:27 KJV

          AS ELIJAH and ENOCH did NOT DIE, they were “TAKEN” ALIVE to HEAVEN (TWO is a Witness)

          So the TWO Witnesses will MAYBE ….. / …..

          who when slain by the Antichrist …they will be given their PROMISE of ETERNAL LIFE

          Adieu….

          On btw …REPENT !!! of your UNBELIEF

          • Truthseeker

            crazy

            I know nothing I write can change your mind — but know this —- when you are returned to physical life by the 2nd resurrection I will be there to show you God’s WAY and Crazy, God’s WAY is beyond human words to describe. What God has planned is far beyond the mind of man.

            The rapture folks think heaven is the place to go — when God is finished the entire earth will be as the Garden of God — why do folks think God is going to destroy earth and leave it in that condition? That is not God way, God is perfection – not destruction.

            Crazy I am looking forward to that day when we sit down together in God’s Kingdom here on earth.

          • Crazy times

            2 Kings 2:11..2 Kings 2:1

            1″And it came about when the LORD was about to take up Elijah by a whirlwind to heaven”

            So your saying God sent a chariot to send Elijah to fly with the birds by himself for thousands of years :lol: Oh boy!

            2 Corinthians 12:2…. 2Cor 12:6

            ” …..”IS” (your conjecture) …..”IS “Paul speaking of a trance he experienced in which he received surpassingly great revelations but he didn’t want to boast about it “(2Cor 12:6)

            NO..as he was talking about , “a MAN he knew who was CAUGHT UP to Paradise”, *NOT HIMSELF* nor VISIONS NOR TRANCES ….. :roll: ….v5 “I will boast about such a man, but I will NOT boast about myself”.

            2 Corinthians 12:2… I KNEW A MAN in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the :arrow: third heaven. :idea:

            :arrow: “THIRD HEAVEN” clearly He boasts about it :idea:

            Revelation 11:12….

            So your saying God called them to… Where the Birds fly, and the rain comes from, :lol:

            That’s Your reasoning for what purpose ?…”they went up in a cloud and because clouds only exist in earth’s atmosphere” and “that’s where rain comes from and birds fly” :lol:

            you said “Not to mention those taken up were once killed (Rev 11:7) and resurrected (Rev 11:11)”

            As I stated in context previous post. :arrow: they had to be slain FIRST…

            as opposed to seekers comment of :arrow: “ALL HAVE DIED that includes Enoch and Elijah”

            Which AGAIN was a LIE… :twisted:

            Hebrews 11:5
            By faith Enoch was TAKEN UP SO that :arrow: HE DID NOT SEE DEATH. :idea:

            YOU SAID
            “No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man”- John 3:13… or are you unfazed by forcing contradictions upon scripture? does in no way answer the question.”

            “More importantly,” MAYHEM is that the contradictions and cherry picking ARE ALL YOUR DOING….The 3 Clear Scriptures I gave to seeker make sense and are in CONTEXT ,short and sweet,yours NOT SO…. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

            John 3:13
            “No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man”-
            …… :arrow: frequently used by those who WANT to find contradictions !

            We must keep the verse in context….

            Nicodemus the Spiritual teacher for Israel..“We speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen” v11…Y’shua being MORE qualified as He STATED above “but He who descended from heaven: The Son of Man” Has all the KNOWLEDGE and more Qualified as that’s His Home: Nicodemus himself had already admitted that Jesus was extraordinary when he said, “We know you are a teacher who has come from God” v2

            “No one has ascended into heaven” IN THEIR NEW GLORIFIED BODIES inotherwords they had NOT as Yet RECEIVED the PROMISE of ETERNAL LIFE…. “as a Man has to Die ONCE”…He was ALSO talking about His ASCENSION DAY TO HEAVEN which They’ll see.

            Y’shua was not teaching that no one had EVER gone to heaven before. Obviously,that would CONTRADICT His Words in…”as it is written” already shown THROUGHOUT SCRIPTURE….were HE TOLD US … :arrow: THEY DID… :idea:

            His CLEAR teachings taken IN CONTEXT …”answer the Questions” …yours NOT SO!!

            :arrow: … Who’s “forcing contradictions upon scripture? ” :shock:

            look in the mirror MR WOLF

            • Mayhem

              Where in the Bible does it say Elijah hitched a ride in the chariot? As far as i can tell the chariot only separated Elijah from Elisha so me thinks you are adding to the word of God.

              So they died in Rev 11:12, as flesh and blood, therefore they must have been raised as flesh and bone (as Jesus was raised) therefore they were not men (like you and i) but spiritual beings and that makes the example you provided anything but relevant to the question at hand.

            • Truthseeker

              crazy what would be the propose for God to take anyone to heaven?

              the Work God is doing is here on earth.

              After you get to heaven what are you to do ??? the 3rd heaven is perfection already, why do you suppose God made trillions of stars?

              The saints of God will assist Jesus Christ in restoring the entire earth as the Garden of Eden, the meek shall inherit the earth NOT heaven.

              Don’t worry crazy one day you will know the truth and you will be freed from paganism

        • Mayhem

          Yes Paul “knew a man” and it was himself as the context of 2Cor 2 confers.

          Knowing yourself…

          https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Examining-Yourself

          … is the principle foundation for knowing Jesus.

          • Crazy times

            …”and it was himself as the context of 2Cor 2 confers.”….???

            NOPE !! Not Himself….that in no way explain who he’s talking about !

            • Mayhem

              I mistakenly pointed to 2-Cor 2 when it should have been 2-Cor 12.

              Now then 2-Cor 12:5 has Paul saying he did not want to boast about himself so instead he boasted in the hypothetical and 2-Cor 12:6 has Paul saying that if he did, however, boast of himself the argument was no less true.

              It’s called the humble brag, in modern parlance, and you can’t see it, Crazy times, because it doesn’t fit your preconceived notion that you’re special and you won’t have to face the trials and tribulations that lie ahead.

              You want to force God to be a respecter of men (Rom 2:11) and you’re in for a rude awakening on that score.

              But more importantly, Crazy times, was Jesus forgetful or deceitful when he said…

              “No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man”- John 3:13

              … or are you unfazed by forcing contradictions upon scripture?

            • Mayhem

              How could Paul boast it was him, if indeed it was some other, and yet remain true.

              Do you not see the problem here? Of course you don’t because you are blind which merely attests the fact that the adversary reads the Bible too.

            • Crazy times

              I’ve already answered you mayhem succinctly ….no need to re explain further go read the book.

              “No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man”- John 3:13

              … or are you unfazed by forcing contradictions upon scripture?the contradictions are ALL Yours …

              The MAN was CAUGHT UP TO THE THIRD HEAVEN …as it is written

            • Crazy times

              and Elijah went up to heaven……I SAID

              :arrow: “So your saying God sent a chariot to send Elijah to fly with the birds by himself”

              “Where in the Bible does it say Elijah hitched a ride in the chariot? As far as i can tell the chariot only separated Elijah from Elisha so me thinks you are adding to the word of God.”

              Mr Wolf YOUR putting words in MY mouth by adding text ?

              “So they died in Rev 11:12, as flesh and blood, therefore they must have been raised as flesh and bone (as Jesus was raised) therefore they were not men (like you and i) but spiritual beings and that makes the example you provided anything but relevant to the question at hand.”

              Yes it does.. “as a Man has to die Once” Enoch and Elijah did NOT DIE …they came back to DIE THEN they could Inherit “the Promise” they did not get while on Earth the first time which is relevant to the question…I know your blind to Spiritual insight.

            • Mayhem

              How did Elijah write a letter to King Jeroham, some 10 years after his supposed ascension, unless he found a post office up there that God didn’t know about.

            • Mayhem

              By the way, Crazy times, it was you who said…

              “… God sent a chariot to send Elijah to…”

              … not me.

              The Bible says God sent a chariot to separate Elijah from Elisha not to send anyone anywhere. Elijah was caught up in the air and taken to no one knows where but wherever it was there was writing material and a postal system.

          • Crazy times

            blindseeker”what would be the propose for God to take anyone to heaven?”

            Don’t be concerned as your not on the narrow road, the one few find , your going “THAT WAY ” as you said and it’s broad with much company ,your daughters will nag you for an eternity when they get there with you, because of your deceptions…..

            REPENT as the Bride leaves soon for Heaven…as He promised, all will be revealed even your nakedness when the Bride disappears.

            Adieu

            • Mayhem

              The bride is taken out of the church, as Eve was taken out of Adam, so if it is only the bride that is raptured this leaves the body of Christ condemned.

              Hmm what sort of God would do such a thing?

    • Crazy times

      MAYHEM…”How did Elijah write a letter to King Jeroham, some 10 years after his supposed ascension, unless he found a post office up there that God didn’t know about.”

      God does NOT contradict Himself by giving many Scriptures …”as it is written” clearly stating they ALL went to Heaven and even to the “THIRD HEAVEN” and then SAY …the OPPOSITE has occurred ? :shock: ….Interpretation is everything

      I’ve told blindseeker I’m too smart for YOUR word games as you need a UNIVERSAL TRANSLATOR MATRIX to answer your Interpretations from mayhem which are NOT…”as it is written” ‘which is ALWAYS good enough for me.

      “By the way, Crazy times, it was you who said…

      “… God sent a chariot to send Elijah to…”

      … not me.

      Huh!! go re-read you missed deliberately SO the point were I said …..:arrow: *“So your saying”*….(not my belief)
      I missed the (?) off the end of that sentence , that’s all, and you pounce Mr Wolf!

      “The bible say’s Elijah was CAUGHT UP in the Air and taken to no one knows where”….So YOU SAY ?

      “as it is written says differently” ….”When the LORD was about to take Elijah up to heaven in a whirlwind” most know the meaning of heaven even if you don’t know (where he’s talking about) and looks like you’ll never know as your on that road with seeker.

      • Mayhem

        Most know the meaning of heaven except the 50 men who went in search of Elijah and, lets face it, they were there and you weren’t.

        And i accept, with regret, that you have no explanation for how Elijah managed to write from heaven.

        But thank you for acknowledging you were the only one inferring Elijah hitched a ride on the flaming chariot drawn by the flaming horses. I guess Elijah was fireproof then?

        • Crazy times

          Lets face it, it’s a Mayhem opinion OR “as it is written” you’ve chosen yours and I’ve chosen God’s opinion, as HE KNOWS and HE does NOT CONTRADICT Himself ……it’s YOUR UNFAZED INTERPRETATION “forcing contradictions upon scripture?”

          2 Corinthians 12:2

          2I know A MAN in Christ who fourteen years ago was CAUGHT UP TO THE :arrow: THIRD HEAVEN. :idea: Whether it was in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows. 3And I know that this man—whether in the body or out of it I do not know, :arrow: but God knows :idea:

          God KNOWS IT HAPPENED!!…..and it is with regret that you and seeker cannot accept “as it is written” without using your semantics. No explanation is required when you believe in :arrow: “as it is written”

          1″And it came about when the LORD was about to take up Elijah by a whirlwind TO HEAVEN”

          The 50 you say looked for him is irrelevant it’s what God said and did, he did NOT DIE like seeker said…. :shock: and went TO HEAVEN.

          You said..”you were the only one inferring Elijah hitched a ride on the flaming chariot”

          I said NO such thing nor inferred it, it was a question to you and it’s there to see Mr Wolf

          I said..”So your saying God sent a chariot to send Elijah to fly with the birds by himself for thousands of years :lol: Oh boy!”

          “Oh boy” was my reply …Hardly an acknowledgement ….but you LIE like :twisted: seeker you even cherry pick my words missing the start…”So YOUR saying” above and post “… God sent a chariot to send Elijah to…”false witness”

          Bottom line “Lets face it “…. God KNOWS a MAN went to the THIRD HEAVEN as HE was there and you weren’t. :cool:

          • Mayhem

            Incorrect, Crazy times, God knew whether it was a bodily event or out of body experience whereas Paul had no idea what had happened to him. All Paul knew was he received surpassingly great revelations.

            Scripture does not say “God KNOWS IT HAPPENED!!” only how it happened so there you go reading things into the text again.

            • Crazy times

              BUT IT HAPPENED nonetheless whether one way or the other God Knows …OR your saying he got his utterances from flying birds and the sound of the rain or passing plans ?

              It Happened is the intent

            • Mayhem

              It sure did happen, nothing more certain, but was it a bodily event or an out of body experience ie a trance? Paul didn’t know but you probably know better than him.

            • Crazy times

              Again if it was a trance a dream they would have plainly said so like in other Scriptures

              He was changed into Spirit or he went in his body but went he did, No adding or taking away it’s CONTEXT as God know one of those 2 ways he got to heaven to hear and see what NO Human is allowed to utter….otherwise he might as well have said he was dreaming as many do.

            • Mayhem

              Paul “might” have done what now? Your opinion has no bearing on the argument regarding what Paul did, or said, and right here, right now, you just proved that you presume to know his mind better than he did.

              Excuse me but who are you to tell me what words Paul would have used when we have the actual words he did use?

            • Crazy times

              I get it …He went to Heaven and you don’t like it, too bad! he never inferred it was a dream or trance or vision either

            • Mayhem

              You were asked for clear scripture and so far all you’ve done, Crazy times, is argue that your opinion can be read into scripture but, by all means, if it helps you sleep at night tell yourself it’s me who isn’t getting it.

              Anyway the day is coming where you can explain to Paul what he really meant and how he should have said it however he was a damn sight smarter than both of us put together so you better be on your “A” game.

            • Crazy times

              ” You were asked for clear scripture ” full circle….

              “God knows a Man who was CAUGHT UP to the Third Heaven”

              I sleep well tks knowing full well as I can read
              that does NOT SAY TRANCE ,DREAM, VISION ,even if YOU DON’T acknowledge it :arrow: HE KNOWS…..4″he was CAUGHT UP up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.”

              He did not get it from your “Flying Birds nor rain cloud’s”, or passing airplanes where you claim he was…. :shock:

              “so you better be on your “A” game.” Always on my a game Mr Wolf.

            • Mayhem

              And the question remains unanswered whether it was in the body or out of the body and, seeing how you’re fond of telling folk what they should say, what word describes an out of body experience better than “trance”?

        • Crazy times

          In body out body is irrelevant,as he was changed 2 options given NOT THREE TRANCE :roll: “he was CAUGHT UP TO HEAVEN” …”as it is written” In a Body OR as a Spirit …and saw and Heard things NO HUMAN can utter….So nothing remains WHERE he went…HEAVEN…. deal with it !!!

          trance , vision, dream , Does NOT say that it say’s CAUGHT UP Body or a Spirit.

          “what word describes an out of body experience better than “trance”?”… :arrow: RAPTURE OF COURSE

          CAUGHT UP as was Enoch, Elijah, this person, and the Bride will be CAUGHT UP to meet the Lord in the Air in the clouds…” as in the days of Noah”

          • Mayhem

            The word trance was used 3 times in the book of Acts whereas the word rapture is found no where in all of scripture.

            Deal with that :razz:

            • Crazy times

              “The word trance was used 3 times ”

              I have not doubt and even he used it, the point was and is he KNOWS if he was in one or NOT , he chose NOT, as he never used that word , this was a totally different UNIQUE event .

              Rapture is Harpazo and you know it, and it’s arguable used 7 times

      • Truthseeker

        crazy there are 3 heavens,, does it say either of the men went to the 3rd heaven and to God’s Throne or to the stars of heaven or to the heaven that is above the earth i.e. where the clouds are and where airplanes fly ?

        It does not say — and do you know why — so the vast majority would become the 40,000 flavors of confusion called christianity. the early spring harvest of the first fruits will be resurrected at that First Resurrection, the large harvest comes in the fall and that harvest is after the 1000 years reign of Jesus Christ which is the 2nd resurrection.

        In due time crazy you will come to understand — but not at this time.

        • Crazy times

          Blindspotseeker …Bottom line “Lets face it “…. God KNOWS a MAN went to the THIRD HEAVEN as HE was there and you weren’t. :cool:

          “That WAY” the road your on leads to destruction

          I’m pretty sure Elijah and Enoch are not left in space where the rain falls the birds or planes fly :lol: :lol: :lol: etc etc etc

          as that takes away plain understanding and the context of understanding “as He heard and saw what no man was allowed, when he was CAUGHT UP TO PARADISE.

          “and heard unspeakable things said which it is not allowed to man to utter “2 Corinthians 12:4

          You’ll understand when the Bride has gone in the Spectacular and Awesome Rapture

          • Mayhem

            Will you understand, Crazy times, when the day of the Lord comes and you’re still here trying to endure along with the rest of us or will you fall away as Jesus prophesied in the olivet discourse?

            • Crazy times

              Unlike you I do not negate His Promise to the Bride and “as it is written” :arrow: the (5) WISE ESCAPED and went to HEAVEN (“Eve taken from Adam”as you commented) in the Parable Matt 25

              the remainder may falter during temptation as they were FOOLISH and TOOK AWAY His Promise to take them to the Promised Land the New Jerusalem IN HEAVEN where the WEDDING FEAST IS…..first to the Jew then to the gentile …we cannot go, say those who take away His Word… So it will be taken away from you …LIKE IT HAS .

            • Mayhem

              Where in the Bible does it say…

              “the (5) WISE ESCAPED and went to HEAVEN”

              … or is this something else you’ve made up and added to scripture. You do that a lot so i won’t hardly be surprised if you have.

            • Crazy times

              trouble reading my post now ? Matt 25 which you know full well ,we’ve been about this a least 3 times rememmbeer!!

            • Mayhem

              Escaped and went to heaven, Crazy times, neither of those is found in Matthew 25.

              In fact 2 parables after that Jesus comes to earth to separate the sheep from the goats. Who are the sheep given they were definitely not raptured?

              Plus you failed to address the body of Christ being left behind when the bride was supposedly taken to heaven.

            • Crazy times

              They are called WISE for a reason they went ‘Heads Intact’ to Heaven as that is where the Wedding Feast is through the DOOR, as He Promised, they clearly escaped because they had extra Oil and were ready at “His appearing”, due too “keeping His Word and patience” and we’re NOT LEFT BEHIND to become Tribulation Saints …..

              “Plus you failed to address the body of Christ being left behind when the bride was supposedly taken to heaven.”

              “This is a Mayhem understanding not mine…the B of C is never left behind.

              He Picks from the CHURCHES (“the body of “Christ)… a BRIDE the (5) Wise Virgins, to go to the Wedding Feast …there are NO Real Christians Left Behind…as “He never knew them”.

            • Mayhem

              Clearly escaped except the Bible doesn’t say that so, once again, your opinion trumps “as it is written”.

            • Crazy times

              Clearly escaped except the Bible doesn’t say that so, once again, your opinion trumps “as it is written”.

              “as it is written” clearly shows (5) Wise going with God to the Wedding Feast INTACT NO Harm to them TO HEAVEN through the door, that’s where the Wedding Feast is , fulfilling His Promise “to escape ALL these things and stand before the Son of Man” Luke 21:36….Matt 25 clearly shows they are NOT the ones left behind to go THROUGH Jacobs Trouble so they OBVIOUSLY Escaped by NOT having their Heads removed ….clear and obvious observation and in context with His Promise and His Precepts and His EXAMPLES He GAVE US …in Noah and Lot which the Bible does say .

            • Truthseeker

              mayhem

              your comments to crazy are excellent, Good job!

              You are applying common sense and logic to scripture and crazy invents his own scriptures throwing all else away — because that is the only way he can come to what he wants to believe.

              Up means up except when it means down — crazy’s logic

            • Crazy times

              logicseeker…your so easily satisfied by clinging to the Old Covenant with a Catholic truth from 1967 you put in no real effort in “Asking Seeking and Finding”, so it’s no surprise you say “good job to Mayhem” !!! :twisted: …who believes as you that he was in the clouds, where rain & birds and planes fly while receiving what NO human as EVER Saw and Heard.. while being in a trance ? If trance was the portal then Bob Marley would have told us much more lol…and that’s a good job! with excellent common sense … :lol: :lol:

              seeker “he was CAUGHT UP TO HEAVEN ” in a body or a Spirit body were logic dictates he saw and heard utterances etc…Hint, the Birds didn’t tell him :lol:

            • Mayhem

              I know you’re fond of telling folk what the Apostle Paul really meant, or should have said, as opposed to what he actually said but where do you get the idea i’ve argued the birds told him anything?

              The only mention of birds and rain is to indicate that the same word used in 2-Kings was also used in Genesis to denote the sky. Sky, Crazy times, not the heaven where Jesus sits at the right hand of God. I mean Paul wasn’t even in either of those books so, really, more fool you.

              It’s starting to appear as though you’ve resorted to lying because you know your arguments are done and dusted.

            • Crazy times

              I know you can’t accept “as it is written” as it fouls up your Birds in the sky as opposed to plain clear ” he was CAUGHT UP TO THE THIRD HEAVEN reality HE SAID and “God Knows” you weren’t there when he had your Trance :roll: So your done and dusted more fool you.

              I know you’re fond of telling folk what the Apostle Paul really meant, or should have said, as opposed to what he actually said but where do you get the idea i’ve argued the birds told him anything?

              The only mention of birds and rain is to indicate that the same word used in 2-Kings was also used in Genesis to denote the sky. Sky, Crazy times, not the heaven where Jesus sits at the right hand of God. I mean Paul wasn’t even in either of those books so, really, more fool you.

              It’s starting to appear as though you’ve resorted to lying because you know your arguments are done and dusted.

            • Mayhem

              Tell yourself up is down all you like, Crazy times, i’m confident anyone reading this can see who is adding things into the Bible and being deliberately obtuse in their arguing.

              Amen.

            • Crazy times

              I know what is right and wrong, up and down, I know the First heaven, 2nd Heaven, from the Third Heaven from Scripture….You foul up on your Bird story as HE SAID “he was CAUGHT UP to the THIRD HEAVEN” which is the Throne room where God is, and backs it up by receiving utterances Hearing and Seeing what NO HUMAN has or EVER allowed too Hear and see.

              He couldn’t SEE any of that from your 1st or 2 heaven and couldn’t Hear any utterances from there unless the birds told him :shock:

              So I tell myself there is ONLY one who is deliberately Obtuse I’m confident that’s NOT me.

            • Mayhem

              But Paul heard utterances while still here on earth during his Damascene moment so yet again, Crazy times, you’re just making stuff up as you go along.

              Then there’s the people of Moses time, they were all on earth when they heard God speak to him.

            • Crazy times

              :shock: “you’re just making stuff up as you go along.”

              He said ” He Knew a Man who was CAUGHT UP to the Third Heaven ” (that’s UP NOT down you know) it was SO HOLY …he could not speak of ….How is that making things up ?

              Then you go obtuse and speak about this :arrow: “Then there’s the people of Moses time, they were all on earth when they heard God speak to him.”

              Were talking about a Man going to a Holy Place …GOING …CAUGHT UP …to Paradise and THAT’S UP after Christ Resurrection

              So I tell myself AGAIN there is ONLY one who is deliberately Obtuse and I’m confident that’s NOT me.

            • Mayhem

              Actually the Greek texts have it “taken away” as in snatched, like how thievery works, and the direction “up” is purely a choice made by the translators but whatever.

              So tell me is this 3rd heaven paradise? You know, where Jesus went while he lay entombed, because that is down not up. Further more Christ was in paradise before His resurrection and ascension.

              Anyway you’re in good company with your many heavens doctrine. The Talmudists, Mormons, Muslims and Apochryphiles all believe as you do while Paul, on the other hand, was likely railing against such heresy and endeavouring to clear this up in his letter to the Corinthians using irony to make the point.

            • Crazy times

              The Harpazo is the same word as used to CATCH UP the Bride even your Gal-axial translator might pick that UP.

              “So tell me is this 3rd heaven paradise? You know, where Jesus went while he lay entombed, because that is down not up. Further more Christ was in paradise before His resurrection and ascension.”

              You obviously don’t read my posts as you would have seen this…

              “to Paradise and THAT’S UP after Christ Resurrection”

              The CHRISTIAN CHURCHES all believe as I do Heaven is UP IN CHRIST…. :cool:

            • Mayhem

              G726 – harpazóseize, obtain by robbery, carry off, caught, snatch, snatched away, snatches, snatches away, snatching, take away by force, take by force.

              http://biblehub.com/greek/726.htm

              … and any sense of direction is an arbitrary decision by fallible man.

              Yes heaven is up but paradise, the word you used, is down and Jesus was in paradise before His resurrection and ascension not after.

            • Crazy times

              … “and any sense of direction is an arbitrary decision by fallible man”

              now that’s a MAYHEM Quote .. :lol: :lol: “any sense of direction” Hahahahah!!!

              Anyway….”Yes heaven is up”

              Yahoo my kids who are 10yr olds are all over that and it’s direction. :lol:

              AND… :arrow: AS I SAID MANY TIMES “CAUGHT UP to the THIRD HEAVEN” :idea:

              Talking to you is like talking to…. truthAVOIDER do you go to the same flexible SDA church of Christ ? as you both bang on a bit and have the same myopia when it comes to TRUTH.

              You said ….”but paradise, the word you used, is down and Jesus was in paradise before His resurrection and ascension not after.”

              That’s what I said can’t you read ?, no wonder you have problems

              I’ll post it a THIRD TIME with Highlights and emojis :shock: , that’s WHY I use them because being Blind you can’t see, nor apparently read :eek:

              here we go :arrow: ….“to Paradise and THAT’S UP :arrow: *AFTER* :idea: Christ Resurrection”

              So I tell myself YET AGAIN there is ONLY one who is being deliberately Obtuse and loves arguing, when they’re clearly WRONG and I’m confident that’s NOT me.

            • Crazy times

              Here’s the same word used …which version does your Galactical universal translator matrix use. Most use the word Paradise….. *AFTER as I stated, and that’s UP even if your directions have apparently gone OFFline , :lol:

              http://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/12-4.htm

    • Mike

      Pink Slime said it accurately, that ALL will go through the tribulation, and those who are alive at the end of it, and who are not part of the “great crowd that no man was able to number” and who metaphorically stand before the throne, will be exterminated at the outset of the final battle, the battle of Armageddon (Har-Me_Giddo). ONLY the great crowd will survive, and they’re only less than ten million in number at present. There will be no “rapture” of the church or anything else. What people MISTAKENLY think is a “rapture”, is the remnant of the 144,000 adopted sons of God being taken up into the clouds to be transformed into spirit beings, and into heaven to co-rule with the Christ. At present there are less than ten thousand of them alive today. Since God’s word clearly tells us that Satan has veiled the meaning of God’s word from the ‘unbelievers’ (those who aren’t of the remnant or of the great crowd), then it’s no wonder that all these fake Christian religions think a rapture will occur. They cannot understand one word of God’s inspired word, and their participants cannot either.

      And misquoting the scriptures is standard practice for fake Christians, and for fake religion (Christendom included).

    • Anonymous

      Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. John 14:1-3

      Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? Acts 7:48-49

      Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:6,8

      When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. Colossians 3:4

      And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Matthew 25:6-12

      And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Revelation 5:6-10

      Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. Luke 21:33-36

      Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Revelation 3:10

      But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. Romans 5:8-9

      For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. 1 Thessalonians 5:9-10

      For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad; so that we need not to speak any thing. For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. 1 Thessalonians 1:8-10

      Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. Isaiah 26:19-21

      Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired; Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD’S anger come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD’S anger. Zephaniah 2:1-3

      And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot’s wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. Luke 17:26-37

      Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee. Titus 2:13

      If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; he is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. 1 Timothy 6:3-5

      Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. Matthew 7:6

      Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch. Matthew 15:14

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