NY Gun Confiscation Underway – Citizens Told to Turn in Pistol Owner ID & Firearms
Gun Confiscation
AmmoLand Gun News
Manasquan, NJ --(Ammoland.com)- Remember all those who denied that firearms confiscation as a result of New York’s new gun laws was to “insane” to even consider?
That it was strictly in the realm of paranoid conspiracy theorists and the “it cant happen here crowd”?
Those were and remain some of the standard replies to anyone who even thought about the possibility, let alone gave voice to it, despite the fact that Gov Cuomo and numerous other officials made public comments about such a plan, as I discussed in my article “Feinstein & Cuomo Admit Planning Australian Style Government Gun Buy Back” .
Elected Officials, the media, various Gun Control Groups and their zealous forced disarmament supporters, even some firearms owners themselves all insisted it was to crazy to even consider.
There’s just one huge problem it is happening now in New York State!
It seems those that tried desperately to warn of such an insidious plot had hit the bullseye with their warnings after all. News came from multiple NY State based firearms enthusiast websites late Friday that confiscations of Pistol Owner ID Cards, as well as firearms and accessories has commenced in NY under the provisions of the horribly flawed, draconian and blatantly unconstitutional NY SAFE Act.
Those folks having their weapons and FID cards confiscated have been discovered to have been prescribed multiple different types of psychotropic drugs, such as those for Depression or Anxiety. These are known as SSRI ( Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors) class drugs and have the potential to cause serious and adverse side effects, something I wrote about extensively last week in an article that went viral in days and caused multiple Anti Gun and Progressive News Groups to initiate a concentrated denial of service hacker attack against Ammoland Shooting Sports News (see Daily KOS ” Keeping Track Of The RKBA Crowd” http://tiny.cc/ug67uw), in an effort to keep the information from the public.
From NY http://tiny.cc/nyfirearms
“John Doe, an upstanding professional with no outstanding criminal convictions and no history of violent action received a letter from the Pistol Permit Department informing him that his license was immediately revoked upon information that he was seeing a therapist for anxiety and had been prescribed an anxiety drug. He was never suicidal, never violent, and has no criminal history. The New York State Department of Health is apparently conducting a search of medical records to determine who is being treated for anxiety drugs and using this as a basis for handgun license revocation.
Those are the facts. Nothing more, nothing less.”
Now, before anyone trots out the old saw about how this is nothing more then a paranoid, unsubstantiated rumor on a “gun nuts” internet forum. I spoke to the Attorney of Record in this matter on the phone this morning and he confirmed that the above snippet is accurate and these cases are happening!
James Tresmond Esq confirmed in our conversation that the above mentioned case is occurring in Erie County NY, it is his client that has been effected, and as yet unknown sources have seen fit to take it upon themselves to share confidential medical records with NY State Officials without authorization, a massive HIPPA violation.
It seems these supposedly confidential records are then compared against a list of known NY pistol license holders and letters are sent out demanding their Pistol Owner ID Cards be surrendered, as well as any firearms and accessories.
This is an unprecedented violation of a Citizens 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendment RIGHTS, brought to fruition by power and control hungry tyrants holding elected office who swore an Oath to uphold and defend the very rights they are now actively stripping from their constituents.
Moreover, the confiscation efforts underway in NY State have had another, albeit unintended effect. By undertaking this course of action, those in power have inadvertently pulled back the curtain on something they have suppressed from the Citizens for far to long, leaving them with precious little wiggle room to explain away their actions.
- Either they are acknowledging that there is in fact some sort of little reported link between the prescribing of psychotropic drugs and violent behavior, thus they are somehow, at least in their own minds “justified” in their actions to preempt someone from violence.
- Or, this is nothing more then a backdoor confiscation effort and massive abuse of governmental power unleashed on innocent Citizens.
Those are the only two possible explanations.
If anyone still feels some level of doubt regarding the veracity of this story, Attorney Tresmond welcomes anyone to visit his website tresmondlaw.com, Facebook page ( https://www.facebook.com/james.tresmond.7 ), or send an email to [email protected].
Mr Tresmond asks that those making inquiries be mindful and respectful of the fact that they have been deluged with inquiries in recent days and therefore a personal reply may be delayed or impossible due to the volume.
About Dan Roberts:
Dan Roberts is a grassroots supporter of gun rights that has chosen AmmoLand Shooting Sports News as the perfect outlet for his frank, ‘Jersey Attitude’ filled articles on Guns and Gun Owner Rights.As a resident of the oppressive state of New Jersey he is well placed to be able to discuss the abuses of government against our inalienable rights to keep and bear arms as he writes from deep behind NJ’s Anti-Gun iron curtain. Read more from Dan Roberts or email him at [email protected] You can also find him on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/dan.roberts.18
2013-04-08 12:49:19
Source: http://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/new-york-gun-confiscation-underway/
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So it begins…I wonder when the first shot will fire that will start another revolution…
A line has been drawn, real Americans have made it clear… “Don’t Tread on Me”
I am all for turning all weapons…”one hot round at a time” and “After you pry it from my cold, dead hands”.
Maybe we’ll get a ‘twofer’: A first shot of the new Revolution and some government traitor-troll getting the well-deserved ‘Heydrich Treatment’….
I’m sitting here tapping my foot in nervous anticipation of that! wonder if I’m the one that’s sposta do it!? I’m bout ready to go. this is getting beyond ridiculous. i love glenbeck dearly but he’s way off base preaching peaceful resistance at this point. that’s a ‘been-dead’ option.
Hope the first shot hits lying traitor Cuomo right between his eyeballs…
The last time the British tried to take away American rifles…. (we know how that ended)
Yep I do remember. We were almost killed off almost completely. But traitor Goerge Washington crossed the river with a sick and defeated army. He signed a treaty that said we LOST. We paid reparations for the crown empires money they put into killing our ancestors. The british army remained in the carolina’s for 20 years protecting the “virginia company”. The company that was sent here to start businesses in the crown empires name. They had trustees with names like JP morgan etc. All our major bankster are trustees to this company. It is how they received their money when their was nothing here. The company and the GOVERNMENT of our land was sent here to administrate the lands, wealth, and opportunity in our land. The crown empire is using our people now as a patsy for their policies of past and current actions.
Yes I remember. Did you study more than what they AUTHORIZED for you to read?
Did you know: On the title to that property you bought you are listed as a trustee? When your bank has it in their name thy are listed as a trustee. When the government of the united states hold title they are listed as a trustee. That is because the title and ownership of all lands in the United States of America belong to the crown. They are not selling to you. They are letting you borrow it from the queen. United States citizens are not owners of their land and they do not even know it
Somebody say Eminent Domain before I do.
It goes a little deeper. The Crown, and specifically King John, ceded ownership, in 1213, of his territories past present and future, to the Pope. This because the latter thinks of himself as Christ’s Vicar on earth, and so “The earth is Mine, and the fullness thereof” is the scriptural justification for his claim. ( Even though the Pope is a liar and an abomination in the sight of God.) So yes, the United States ( which is a corporation, registered in DC, not a nation of sovereigns ) was, is, and ever shall be, a slave plantation; one which is nominally in the possession of the Crown, but ultimately, it is the property of the Pope.
How could it ever have been otherwise? Ragtag rebellions sound very romantic, but they simply do not happen in the real world. You have been sold a Hollywood fantasy, not history.
So. The Founding Fathers were the original Trustees of the Crown. They agreed to repay the Crown ( but more specifically, its jewish owners; there are 11 families of these parasites ) for the costs of the War of Independence. Part of this cost was the expense involved in hiring Hessian mercenaries to do the fighting, dressed in British uniforms; the English soldiers of the King refused to fight against their kith and kin; how ironic therefore that they are disparaged by the average American. This is classic Judaising; those most guilty of inflicting holocaust on others, ie the jews, are believed by the goyim to have suffered this fate themselves, despite the complete lack of evidence. So, the English are blamed for the crimes of the jews. Perfect!
Even more so, when you discover that the Hessians were paid 50 cents a day, and the King was charged a dollar a day. Guess who pocketed the difference.
The way the cost of the war was recouped was by making State dwellers freely sign a declaration that they were citizens of that state, and therefore that they were eligible to vote for the new state constitutions. Unfortunately, the FFs failed to tell these people that the definition of a citizen is a legal fiction which turns a sovereign flesh and blood man or woman, subject to no-one but God, and ruled over solely by the Ten Commandments, into an object, without rights or identity, ruled over by the Universal Commercial Code, or the Law of Merchants as it originally was; and furthermore that a constitutor is “someone who freely agrees to pay the debts of another”. ( Black’s Law Dictionary )
The Federal Government is simply the more anonymous, and updated, but equally treasonous inheritor of the FFs’ mantle.
So even the Constitution has betrayed you. And you have no rights, just obligations. To work, or to fight for the jew bankers, depending on their whim, until you drop. Whilst being lied to by their media, murdered, as in NDAA, and molested, as in TSA.
Which all rather makes the oft-heard reference to “The home of the brave and the Land of the Free” into merely an extremely tasteless joke.
Which, of course, is the kind of joke the jew likes best.
@HereAmI Thank you for posting that.
Sick!
True, but 200+ years ago there were fewer pussies on this country, not like today where 50% are liberal, cry baby, bedwetters!
Didn’t these “puss* crybaby liberals” kick your asses though?
“I don’t believe that people should be able to own guns.”
Obama (From the book “Debacle”, by Grover G. Norquist and John R Lott, Jr., John Wiley & Sons, Inc.: Publisher)
Notice how they are dealing iwth it though? People with felons, and mental health issues first.
PTSD Vets etcetera. Then when they make the rest felons unles you go along with it they’ll come for your guns then.
When they came for the Felons I did not care because convicted felons should not own guns.
When they came for the Vets with so called PTSd I said nothing, for why should smeone own a gun if they are proned to violence. After all didn’t they see all kinds of horroros for ovr ten years.
When they came for those who saw a psycologist, yet I was still silent for crazy people shouldn’t own guns like Felons right?
When they came for me noone had guns to stop them so off we went into captivity.
Well thats 10% of your population gone.
you all talk a big game about revolution..when will the first shot go off..we know what happened 300 years ago wink wink. Well here they are taking the guns and no-one is doing anything. Your guns are history.
Exactly. Breadalban. Nobody is doing anything but run their coward american mouths. They are taking guns now and nothing from the weak citizen. cowards everyone of them
When they call them criminals you will stay in your homes. You will not help your neighbor. Their is no god and their is no honor in this land. I bet one of you cowards will try to run your little fingers and verbally confront me because you are coward that is too scared of less than 700 people who are making our oppression.
American p***sy
Ur the only pussy I see on here.
Please people do not feed this troll.
Don’t call me an American pussy, you antagonizing little worm! This country was founded on God and brave American’s who gave their lives to achieve the freedom that we will not give up! God is not dead, and he does not sleep, and one day you will be thrown in Hell with all these other whore monger’s who will find out that HE IS REAL!!! Keep running your mouth, worm, and God will be obliged to shut it for you. Americans will not give up their guns, freedoms, and Constitution to the likes of you or anyone else! MO’LON LA’VE !!!!! (that means COME AND TAKE, you uneducated worm).
To respond pre-emptively would be falling into the hands of this black empire. It’s exactly what DHS would want us to do. If we initiate a ground war, then they swing into action, kill everyone they want, and claim to have clean hands in this because “they started it”. They will be shown their encroachment, their demonizations, and their arm up as provocative, but they’ll say “what are you talking about? We weren’t the ones who started this, they did. They shot first”. You see, initiating it wouldn’t be wise, lest we hand the IO campaign to them. While everyone is “doing nothing” as you say, they’re arming, prepping, networking, maintaining their vehicles, hitting the gym, etc. Something is being done, and it’s all proactive. If you’re all badass, please, by all means, go start a ground fight against DHS. I’ll put fresh flowers on your grave.
Amanda didn’t really say that.
Do as most — buy non registered weapons — there are so many unregistered guns in the hands of gang members & corrupt law enforcement, its easier to buy a weapon with a suppressor off the streets, than it is to buy a house !! Bring a civil war — Bring North Korea — F**k em all, I along with many others are fed up with these laws on guns & pot ..
Yeah big mouth. Whatever your coward self does, DO NOT help a neighbor with their freedom. Just sit and wait little puke
@pickenbones. What’s a matter bro? Did someone pick on you growing up? Your misguided posts are retarded. Most people here are TRUE Americans. Take your anger elsewhere. And yes I have fought for this country and our freedoms.
SSgt Voskoyan,
USMC
You fought for the government and not the people. You took an oath to shoot us if we do not follow your owners subjugation. Pickin on me. Sounds like fun. I think you better go learn a few more words before you try a new funny bright stuff. I bet you think your tuff for claiming to be a true american while you honor your oath to shoot us. You fought for no ones freedom. You shot who ever your owner told you to. I am angry at everyone of you that try to tell another REAL patriot to not act and to subjugate to the oppression. You do not know honor. I know you are trying but honor left you far too long ago. Now your words are hollow. I know you do not understand what I write. It is written to show the lies of your owners. It is there to show people that you will follow the oppression of the crown empire with your ignorance as your shield. I know you do not like how I attack people for being passive and I guess my words are sharp. I hope they offend all the blind and the enemy. I hope they inspire the TRUE patriots to rise up for freedom and not the lies that you hold so blindly to. You never fought for our freedom you dumba**. You fought foreign wars on foreign soil for foreign dominance in the name of the crown empire and the Jew empire. I understand it is much too accept that you swore allegiance to killing your people and even today you would protect the less than 700 who make up the oppression of our system rather than defend the people of this country from being shot by your squad.
I do not think that is what freedom means to us. I know it what freedom means to you. You are still blind
@bread, Now that is true, part of the tightening noose of despotism is to wrap the people up in so many falsehoods, busy their time in false witnessing against others and in false beliefs generally that they won’t bother with the real things that are happening, Americans fail to see the TRUE SPIRITS that are still around, but you all have been blinded. Good luck future 100% enslaved.
Truth is that people who are weak minded enough to think that SSRIs are going to improve their disposition shouldn’t be armed IMO. And I’m a 2nd Amendment proponent.
Second question is how many of the roided out Prozac brained Cops and Feds are going to get their civil rights stolen?
Well whatever all you posters do, Make sure you
A: Give up you little cowards
B: defend nothing:
C: watch and then spread false rumors so everyone else gives up
D: finish being a traitor because your too much a coward.
Honor is not in our land because of you personally. If you do not break the thinking that our society will cease to exist as soon as we stop the oppression then what is the point?
The term you are looking for has been used by every invading force since the beginning of time.
SUBJUGATION
The people police themselves for the oppressive regime. You attack your neighbor and call that honor while you let our people get trodden and their lives taken one year at a time.
You are the scum that the true patriot will wipe from this land in a cleansing. If their are any real men left in this pit of cowards.
Your intent is too…what? Wake up the sleepyheads? No, I think the energy you put out will rebound on YOUR head because you cast your bread upon the waters and what comes floating back….? The same as you put out MAGNIFIED! A little advice whoever you are, get some compassion for the bamboozled ones who like MOST have bought the party line completely because its our nature to be taught by the authorities, first Mom and Dad then our school teachers, then …on and on. We’re like a recording machine that displays all we’ve absorbed through our times. The poisons we’ve been fed all our lives has addled our brains and made it impossible to think straight or to have any sense of reason. What do you expect from such as these who are damaged beyond repair? it is a Giant tragedy and all you can do is badger the damaged ones and you show just how much you are damaged. If the SHTF your energy will be some of the first ones to go down because you have no heart and if you are a clone just trying to shake up the people, you have no soul also and your end will be a complete end. If you have soul and you continue as you are you will regret your next position in the stars and the hold back you rightly deserve. If you develop some heart you too will be forgiven through Grace and lifted up out of this morass of destruction and brought into the new world that is dawning that demands that the old world and its ways are ended. It can be no other way so have a little patience and compassion for your fellow man because your all on the Titanic or do you have some other ship to retreat to that is NOT sinking? Namaste
blahhh…. That is funny…”have heart you will be forgiven” hahahah….Forgiven for what? Your subjugation says your evil for having life. Do not throw that on me. I do not think that any of us are evil. Just brainwashed by the empire of the sun….I do not think my neighbor was born evil and un capable of compassion. It is clear that you do. I think that yours is the hate. Yours us the abandonment. Yours is the excuse to trod upon any that you see fit. I hope you find enough peace in life that you can trust that you were born good. And your decisions are based on life experiences. you do not have to hate yourself for being what ever you are buddy, or for doing what you had to.
These people will either take a stand now and refuse to have their rights violated, or become slaves of the state. Should they meekly surrender, they richly deserve the slavery they embrace.
Next step, round up the [Jews, homosexuals, Muslims, Vietnamese, Christians, or whatnot], and load them into the cattle cars.
So much for the concept “To protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America”. What a shame.
They are taking guns away in Cali 170
To Obama on Wednesday Apr 03 2013
/obama/2013/04/they-are-taking-guns-away-in-cali-2449332.html
Carney: Gun Law ‘Would Not Take Any Firearm Away From Any Law Enforcement — Law-Abiding Citizen’3
To Obama on Friday Apr 05 2013
/obama/2013/04/carney-gun-law-would-not-take-any-firearm-away-from-any-law-enforcement-law-abiding-citizen-2449408.html
VIDEO: 15-year-old girl delivers speech like a boss, leaves anti-gun politicians speechless *VIDEO* 454
To Obama on Thursday Apr 04 2013
/obama/2013/04/video-15-year-old-girl-delivers-speech-like-a-boss-leaves-anti-gun-politicians-speechless-2449352.html
Tucson group offering free guns splits community 25
To Obama on Wednesday Apr 03 2013
/obama/2013/04/tucson-group-offering-free-guns-splits-community-2449338.html
Unhappy About New Limits, Gun Makers Urged To Move 215
To Obama on Monday Apr 01 2013
/obama/2013/04/unhappy-about-new-limits-gun-makers-urged-to-move-2449246.html
FINALLY: Chris Christie calls for investigation of New Jersey agency’s response to boy-with-gun photo 46
To Obama on Saturday Mar 30 2013
/obama/2013/03/finally-chris-christie-calls-for-investigation-of-new-jersey-agencys-response-to-boy-with-gun-photo-2449226.html
Colorado gun owners group calls for boycott of hunting, fishing season 139
To Obama on Wednesday Mar 27 2013
/obama/2013/03/colorado-gun-owners-group-calls-for-boycott-of-hunting-fishing-season-2449126.html
Hundreds of Parents Send In Photos Of Their Child With A Gun *PHOTOS*PHOTOS*PHOTOS* 386
To Obama on Tuesday Mar 26 2013
/obama/2013/03/hundreds-of-parents-send-in-photos-of-their-child-with-a-gun-photosphotosphotos-2449078.html
When they come to take your guns – that’s the time to start shooting.
THIS PROVES MY POINT I new there was a connection between psychotropic drugs and mass shootings. Maybe you dont agree with me but haven’t you noticed that every time there is a mass shooting YOU NEVER HEAR ABOUT A TOXICOLOGY TEST OF THE SHOOTER. iS THERE A LINK THAT TIES all of the shooters together. HECK if a bus driver Has a accident the first thing on the news is the tox report on the driver…..IM NOT SAYING it’s all the fault of the shooter if these people are givin drugs that make them go CRAZY. THE DRUG MAKERS HAVE ALOT TO LOOSE. So you tell me why the people in charge want to GRAB up the guns from people taking these drugs WHAT DO THEY KNOW THAT WE DONT KNOW.
Sooner or later, the radical libtards will go too far, lose support, start a civil war,…and America will be left wondering how things ever got so out-of-control as the fabric of our society unravels. Then, it will be too late to simply turn back the clock on it all.
Makes me want to take a Xanex.
Is’t NY the Headquarters of all Jewish activities.
Got to protect them first as they are the chosen ones the rest of you Goyim’s do not count.
Bet you California is next.Maybe NK puts a stop to all of this.
People wake up and recognize your real Enemy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! get you head out of your Butt.
Come and get them fothermuckers
There is an NRA video called ,”Never Again.” It is actual footage of ATF agents and New Orleans police- in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina- going door to door and violently seizing guns from people. Most were not offering any resistance whatsoever, but even elderly people were body slammed while officers stormed the home, Gestapo (or Stalinist) style in search of guns. Few of those guns were ever returned. It is sad to see honest, hardworking, trustworthy Americans being labeled as ‘dangerous’ crazies. At the same time murderers and rapists and robbers are processed through the courts w/ little or no jail time, and Sodomites are deemed to be the best that society has to offer.
This is what National Socialist do. They enlist their followers to act for them. They provide information and step back. You can laugh if you want but others before you saw the same happen, did nothing, and paid the price. The time for jokes and snippy comments are over. If we do not stand for Liberty now our children will lament our cowardice.
“You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on Earth, or we will sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness.”
R. Reagan
Anyone still trust the CIA now??? (Criminals infiltrating America)
I think we should negotiate unconditional surrender, I’ve seen these creatures in action. Holdouts will be villified beyond anything you can imagine, you will be talked about as the prime suspect of crimes past, present and invented. 99% of holdouts put on the ‘get’ list will lose their families, they will scatter from you fast, you all have never seen the real pro’s and what they do. Think some community is going to stand behind you? NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 99% of Americans lack enough analytical brain capacity even to figure out they are being lied to. Plus they realise the collectivist threat to themselves and their own, what they ‘hear’ is, if you don’t believe the lies about this person, ‘we’ will start telling the lies about you, EVERYONE in those communities will go along. Do not expect ANYONE to stand with you, you then won’t be surprised. Look at it from their perspective, they know how easily they can manipulate most of you like dumb animals into believing anything about anyone. So logically they think, gosh these people are so dumb they will believe anything, maybe they shouldn’t have guns. I’ve lost my life many times telling them, “take your lies and shove them.” You think the people who are smart enough to know they are being lied to will stand with you?, ‘they’ make it clear,,believe the lies, or else. Alot who are smart enough to know they are being lied to, don’t even have to hear the implied threat, they don’t want to face the years of wasted work, putting people’s life’s work down drains is what these people do for a living. I see on these sites alot of people who don’t know who stand around them, both good and bad.
I think if one studies the HIPPA form they sign at the Doctor’s office they will see that the HIPPA privacy law is a Trojan Horse law.
It’s been quite a while since I’ve read a HIPPA but I recall being somewhat startled by some of the wording in the HIPPA form while registering for a flu shot.
There is a box that one can check that appears mundane till the fine print comes into the picture.
HIPPA is allowed to check a patient’s credit, bank accounts , property holding records and SHARE the patient’s info with related parties.
Obamacare has this subsection that allows any gov agency to access HIPPA records.
Now, See how New Yorks Gestapo has access to Medical records now ??
Even if these blatant & Obvious violations of Constitutional LAW and Privacy breaches ever reach the SOTUS , It will be so far down the road to America’s Destruction it won’t matter.
Even “IF: the SOTUS jumps in early and nullifies the NY and other Commie run states the gun owners will never see their firearms and possibly children again.
Hide & Watch People.
These Commie Politicians aren’t Members of the Communist Party USA & New World Order because of the swimming privileges, Discount coupons & cafeteria Menu.
In this type of stuff, this isn’t like the TV where you can change the channel and choose your choice of lies, or turn it off. When they come, the people they talk to aren’t given a choice, it will be their agenda (against you). Soft sell, maybe yes, but down deep the person talked to ‘knows’. Just know you will be all alone, holdouts.
seems like some of the Conspiraters are speaking openly now. Hope were not the cowards they are saying we are.
Ah, so the dictator has demanded confiscation of guns. Hmmm. This sounds familiar, doesn’t it?
Yes, so you see a long time ago when fellow community or country citizens understood the brotherhood of man, or the age old battle of the common man versus the authoritarians, the citizen being talked to,,would ‘know’ a different attitude to take. As now they kowtow to some perceived threat to themselves. Back in the day they would have been intelligent enough to know that ‘authority abuser’ was just trying to isolate and eventually destroy their fellow community or countryman holdout and they would have given that authority abuser the fer sure what for. For what you all LACK today inside yourselves, you will surely all be enslaved tomorrow. HAR! HAR!
Good luck with your collectivist philosophy of don’t do anything of spirit or independence because your collectivist society might frown on it enough to destroy what you have. This done mainly because of buying into that philosophy from the powers that be above, but also once collectivist community power is brought to bear on someone of spirit and independence that has spit in the eye of authority for principle. Then the ‘gangs’ general disrespect for the spirit and independant thought of the individual targeted is honed. ‘KNOW’ what you know, (the implied collectivist threat) and get on your knees to that authority abuser. HAR! HAR!
I know! If my fellow countryman doesn’t have it, there is a better chance I will!!!! That is the philosophy of America today.
This is not surprise; I was telling a friend this several months ago that something like this was going to happen. You can bet that NY & the Feds will start using Obama/Commie Care as the “law” to do this.
Americans really are a bunch of sick collectivists generally as a whole. “I got mine”, “I will hold others down so as to insure what I got.” I’ve seen it for years, as the poor little rich kid in Austin says, a rising tide floats all boats idiots. He uses truth in his scam you have to admit. But if SHTF don’t count on all, because many will be informed of what has been happening to them for years, heck they might even throw in with DHS.
lol of course there is talk about revolution in the comments.Such a joke why do you guys even need guns if you were going to over throw the government it would have happened THIS IS IT AND UR ALL SITTING AROUND DOING NOTHING.Typical Americans talk talk talk talk then go eat a cheese burger
There is considerable difference between a state government and the federal government passing a law such as this. Any unreasonable law such as this, passed by a state, the victim can literally vote with their feet and leave. However, such a law passed and enforced by the centralized federal government we cannot escape and will have to fight. If however, we go about this correctly those politicians who we are unable to reason with regarding this issue now may see what they have done wrong. That would be better than starting an all out war in which millions may lose their life. At least that should be explored before we commit to violence. New York, California and Illinois are the worst with Washington DC coming in as a close second. If people start leaving the states it is possible they will begin to see the light (although it is true they may not). Some may think moving is a high price to pay but it is less then the alterative which could cost their life. War is hell and if you’ve never been in one don’t jump into one unless there is no other alternative.
These NY laws are what happens when we elect people who are unqualified for the position and or are incapable of logical reasoning. Of course there is a lesson here but will it be learned? Doubtful. The same could be said about the president we elected in 2008. Electing someone who is incapable of doing the job is absolute idiocy at best. It is obvious the importance or seriousness of those who run this nation is no longer believed to be important, by those voting, at least enough to research. Once thought to apathy only it is now more correctly identified as laziness and apathy. It is easy to agree however, in 2008 there was little choice with the two main candidates Obama and McCain. Also very little difference. It is also true we elected the one least capable of performing the duties of his office. What we did elect was total ego!
If we continue as a nation to allow a biased media regardless of which side it is leaning toward, our freedoms are gone. Most are already gone but we may, if we are both smart and patient, be able to save this once great nation and return at least some of those freedoms without starting a war. But we will surely have to be both.
All you gun owners better get copies of the OPPT courtesy notice and send it to those responsible. Their little letter asking you to turn your personal possessions has no weight. It is not a question of constitutionality, ( you have no standing under that lie), it is a matter of common law and theft. If they want to pay you full value for it, fine… Then it is still a personal choice. Send them back a letter that tells them to pound sand.
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I certainly hope the people of NY grow a pair and stand up to the government. If they let them strip this constitutional right away. they will never get it back. Stand for what you believe in or bow to the Marxist government.
Why is it that an action not related to the use or ownership of a firearm,is reason to suspend that right?How come You are arrested for drunk driving,You do not lose Your vehicle?You t-bone another vehicle and cause serious damage and injury but You do not lose Your car.
lol – the first sniff of trouble and you amerikans all turn on each other, the republicans blaming the democrats and vice verca..
amerikans – youre your own worst enemy!
just make sure you all keep fighting till the last man standing, and if any of you here happen to be that one, do the rest of the world a favour and kill yourself.
amerika = skid mark on the underpants of the world, sooner youre wiped off the map the better
I haven’t seen or heard any of this. Is there anyone here who can honestly say that they’ve had their guns taken away. I haven’t and nobody has even asked me to.
maybe not u but been all over the news about NY has started confiscatiing guns
Free men are armed.. Slaves are NOT.
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Call your local Sherriff, they are your fist line of defense against unconstitutional laws.
Good luck NY. Your state will be the test bed as will go the Nation, don’t let us down. resist tyranny and overeaching represenatives, if you want to call them that?
God Speed,
Molan Labe.
If you want to own guns, don’t use legal drugs.