Convert, Pay, or Die
By William L. Gensert / American Thinker
Convert, pay, or die is the set of choices Islam offers infidels. Coincidentally, this is also what today’s progressives and the Democratic Party offer nonbelievers, climate “deniers,” white males, heterosexuals, patriots, blue-collar workers, farmers, miners, people without a college degree, the religiously devout, Republicans, and everybody else choosing not to buy into the party’s version of what America is and what the nation owes both its citizens and the world.
Our country has collectively “slipped into madness.” Hatred in the name of diversity and political unity has become a goal in itself – and it is ascendant in modern culture, all compelled by leftist ideology.
No matter how many are killed, maimed, or merely terrified in the name of Allah, for progressives, the problem will always be Islamophobia, or an ignorant populace too uneducated to understand the inherent nuance of the “religion of peace.”
Those who suggest enhanced screening for immigrants from Islamic nations or even a limited suspension, as President Trump proposed, are greeted with rioting in the streets, for to look askance at a man who expresses an explicit desire to kill in the name of Allah is tantamount to outright racism.
Islamic men between the ages of eighteen and forty-five years old commit more than 90% of terrorist attacks. Yet singling out people who fit those criteria for extra scrutiny is profiling and therefore implicit racism deserving of nothing less than outright excommunication from polite society – along with, of course, the total dissolution of one’s life, career, and safety.
This is why, with increasing regularity, those who commit terrorist acts are “known wolves.” They tell us what they believe in and then tell us what they plan to do. Yet, because they haven’t actually killed anyone yet, our law enforcement agencies are frozen, like a deer caught in a tractor-trailer’s headlights.
London mayor Sadiq Khan, when asked about the roughly 400 jihadists who trained and fought with ISIS and have returned to England, replied, “I can’t follow 400 people.” As if sending them back to ISIS to die for their beliefs is something not even worthy of consideration.
General Patton said, “No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making some other poor dumb bastard die for his country.” Why is sending the bastards back to ISIS off the table?
In any case, that’s England. Something like that could never happen here, could it? It certainly could if we continue down the path we’re on. In fact, it just might very soon be coming to a concert or bridge near you.
I think if you asked most Americans, they would prefer to “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment.”
When Obama said that, he was explaining why some bitter people weren’t as enlightened as he, but I think most would agree that a little “anti-immigrant sentiment” is better than seeing your daughter blown up.
Moreover, I don’t know about you, but I would much rather be clinging to a gun when an ambassador of the religion of peace comes to stab me, despite how impressed Khan is with the Metropolitan Police response time.
Instead, we have been rendered defenseless by ridiculous rules of engagement that prohibit any pre-emptive action on our part. Each new terrorist act is a total surprise to our betters, despite a veritable cornucopia of increasingly outspoken known wolves. In today’s politically correct world, if you are a Muslim, despite what you profess to be your intentions, you cannot become a suspect until you actually do what you say you will do.
Having hamstrung our security services, and as the legions of true believers swell, progressives take pride in their unwillingness to act in the war on terror. As Presidnt Obama would often scold the less acculturated, “this is not who we are.” Thus, they refuse to lift a finger to protect the citizenry until yet another known wolf commits what would be considered a crime against humanity if it were committed by anyone other than a member of the religion of peace.
Not to worry: being a victim is a trivial thing. As President Obama often said, the real danger is climate change. How’s that for leadership?
Oppose this false vision of Islam, and you will experience the left’s true wrath. All of us are guilty until proven innocent, while Islam will forever be innocent until proven guilty. Even then, somehow it is our fault for not understanding how hard it is for Muslims to live in our unjust societies. Our women wear makeup and expose their ankles – oh, the horror – and walk around as though they are actually people, and the rest of us go to church, wearing crosses around our necks while we walk our dogs and eat pork, not understanding that daring to believe in something other than Allah is the real crime.
As Andrew C. McCarthy has so presciently been pointing out for some time, Islam is sharia, and sharia is a government system that dictates that infidels or non-believers must submit by converting, pay jizya, or be killed. There are no ifs, ands, or buts; it is the nature of the beast.
Our progressive brethren can pretend all they want; true Islam is not compatible with Western values. Yet my mere mentioning of “Western values” is considered by the left, academia, and the media hate speech, warranting my disappearance from daily life…at the very least.
Manchester and London Bridge were tests. At what point will we fight back? If they kill our little girls, will we fight? If they kill innocents out for an evening stroll in one of the premier cities of the Western world, will we fight back?
The consensus is that we will not. That’s just the way progressives like it. To liberal politicians, the vulnerable are merely dots seen from the top of a Ferris wheel – and to paraphrase Harry Lime, the question is, “How many dots can they afford to spare?” In the perfect society the left seeks to create, it’s all of them – or at least all of those who refuse to toe the liberal line.
In addition, it’s not just Islam; proper fealty to all terrorism seems to be the order of the day. Kill four with a bomb planted in Fraunces Tavern, and spend thirty-five years in prison before the smartest man who ever lived (if you don’t believe me, just ask him) commutes your sentence, and you will be afforded the privilege of marching in parades and reveling in the adoration and idolatry of the elite.
On our college campuses, progressive quislings believe that only conversation they deem acceptable should ever be allowed and that politically incorrect opinions are evil and deserving of censure and violence. It has become acceptable for a college professor to beat conservatives with whom he disagrees with a bicycle lock. After all, he did it because it was right and just.
We are inundated with safe spaces, while snowflakes play with Play-Doh and tell us what we are allowed to think and say. In academia today, it has become allowable to tell all the white students, professors, and staff of Evergreen College that they were not allowed on campus on a particular day. Professor Bret Weinstein disagreed and was branded a racist and besieged by a cadre of student-agitators armed with baseball bats.
For a laugh, follow this link to see what passes for tough in the progressive world. They look like refugees from the Island of Misfit Toys.
All this didn’t start with Barack Obama, but it certainly found support with the man, and his administration, who advised his followers to “get in their faces” and also that “if they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.” Didn’t Obama also redefine bipartisanship as graciously allowing those who disagreed with him the opportunity to do as they are told?
What have we become? They tell us that this is the new reality and that we need to accept terrorist attacks. We used to fight, but today we shelter in place, grateful that our elite are surrounded by a phalanx of armed guards and protected by a cordon of security. After all, how could society ever survive if our leaders weren’t protected?
Unlike Obama, I refuse to bow to either Islam or the culture warriors. I choose to fight. There are more of us than the left thinks.
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Nothing short of a modern crusade is what it’s gonna take to weed out these scumbag terrorists
My assumption is you agree with this article, therefore can you show me a single verse from the Quran showing that muslims are to take payment from those who don’t believe or to kill them if they refuse. Note I mentioned Quran and not hadiths!
The terrorists are the elite and the governments, taking out countries for their own benefits. You are one of them for supporting the killings of innocents in those countries. In case you didn’t know there is a plan to topple 7 countries, now ask yourself why?
We meet again, Jose, and this time i’m forced to butt in because you didn’t respond the last time…
/terrorism/2017/06/update-to-islam-must-be-destroyed-2459855.html#comment_216353
… poor form mohammedan.
A single verse, you said, from the Qur’an and not the Hadith, you said, but i have to wonder why you said it like that. Could it be you don’t want it known that fully half the canonical Hadith expressly quote, or presume to speak on behalf of, your so called prophet and pointedly refer to the Jizya tax or death decree?
The verse you’re obviously keen to defend is Surah 9:29 but before you do mount a defence…
https://discover-the-truth.com/2014/06/03/examining-quran-929-does-islam-sanction-the-killing-of-christians-and-jews/
… i must warn you i’m fully prepared to show that most of the Islamic Scholars, you might care to mention, actually support the doctrine of Jizya so that really only leaves room for varying interpretations of the word “fight”.
Which brings me full circle because that was one of the points you made in our last encounter that Jihad literally meant “to strive and that is against oneself and also when attacked” which, of course, is a lie by omission as i pointed out in the reply you ignored.
1) – Convert or
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/forced-conversion.aspx
2) – Pay or
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/jizya.aspx
3) – Die
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx
I didn’t ignore what you had posted as I don’t post here often and don’t know my way around the site, but thanks for the link and i’ll continue there.
As for hadiths, the reason i didn’t mention them is because they were compiled and written well after the death of the prophet and should be compared to the Quran. If it goes against it, they should be discarded. You’ve heard of Chinese whispers, right? Now imagine that over a period of 200 years. A bit like other religions have been distorted by men, islam too has been changed by men and muslims scholars should be the first to take steps to get get the different sects together.
The verse about Jizyah is a tax which non-muslims were to pay. Muslims are to pay tax too, but it’s called zakaat which goes to the building of the communities which they all live in. Zakaat is 2.5% whereas jizyah is 1.5%. Non-muslims actually have to pay less. These sites fail to mention that Jizya is not levied on women, children, old people, Priests/Holymen, but only on able bodied men. Whereas zakaat is compulsary on all muslims depending upon their wealth. In an islamic state muslims are to take up arms when the state is being attacked, whereas non-muslims don’t need to. Jizyah will therefore share the burden of re-building.
Most of the people at that time were pagans who were not only enemies to muslims, but to christians and jews. Paying the jizyah also meant they were under the protection of muslims if they were attacked.
There are many non-muslim expats living in muslim states, maybe you should ask them whether they are being forced to pay the jizyah.
“This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.
Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.
No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims’ houses.
Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God’s covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.
No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants.
No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).”
These taxes existed before islam,
We are not to engage in war with anyone whatever unless we [first] proclaim peace to him; [this is applicable to both] an optional and an obligatory war; for it is said, When thou drawest nigh a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it (Deut XX, 10).
If [the inhabitants] accept the offer of peace… we are not to slay a soul among them, and they merely become tributary, for it is said, [All the people ... therein] shall become tributary unto thee, and shall serve thee’.” (Ibid.)
“We must not make a covenant with idolaters, to agree on keeping peace with them or accept them practising idolatry, because it says (Deut 7:2) Thou shalt not make a covenant with them. Either they give up idolatry or they are killed. And it is forbidden to pity them, since it says (ibid.): Nor shalt thou shew mercy unto them.
So Jizyah is a tax just like zakaat is a tax for muslims for the community as a whole to benefit from. The governments demand tax from you don’t they and if you refuse…
See my reply, to Jose’s duplicate posting of this comment, below.
I didn’t ignore what you had posted as I don’t post here often and don’t know my way around the site, but thanks for the link and i’ll continue there.
As for hadiths, the reason i didn’t mention them is because they were compiled and written well after the death of the prophet and should be compared to the Quran. If it goes against it, they should be discarded. You’ve heard of Chinese whispers, right? Now imagine that over a period of 200 years. A bit like other religions have been distorted by men, islam too has been changed by men and muslims scholars should be the first to take steps to get get the different sects together.
The verse about Jizyah is a tax which non-muslims were to pay. Muslims are to pay tax too, but it’s called zakaat which goes to the building of the communities which they all live in. Zakaat is 2.5% whereas jizyah is 1.5%. Non-muslims actually have to pay less. These sites fail to mention that Jizya is not levied on women, children, old people, Priests/Holymen, but only on able bodied men. Whereas zakaat is compulsary on all muslims depending upon their wealth. In an islamic state muslims are to take up arms when the state is being attacked, whereas non-muslims don’t need to. Jizyah will therefore share the burden of re-building.
Most of the people at that time were pagans who were not only enemies to muslims, but to christians and jews. Paying the jizyah also meant they were under the protection of muslims if they were attacked.
There are many non-muslim expats living in muslim states, maybe you should ask them whether they are being forced to pay the jizyah.
“This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.
Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.
No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims’ houses.
Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God’s covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.
No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants.
No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).”
These taxes existed before islam,
We are not to engage in war with anyone whatever unless we [first] proclaim peace to him; [this is applicable to both] an optional and an obligatory war; for it is said, When thou drawest nigh a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it (Deut XX, 10).
If [the inhabitants] accept the offer of peace… we are not to slay a soul among them, and they merely become tributary, for it is said, [All the people ... therein] shall become tributary unto thee, and shall serve thee’.” (Ibid.)
“We must not make a covenant with idolaters, to agree on keeping peace with them or accept them practising idolatry, because it says (Deut 7:2) Thou shalt not make a covenant with them. Either they give up idolatry or they are killed. And it is forbidden to pity them, since it says (ibid.): Nor shalt thou shew mercy unto them.
So Jizyah is a tax just like zakaat is a tax for muslims for the community as a whole to benefit from. The governments demand tax from you don’t they and if you refuse……..
Ah, yes, the Medina Charter.
As it happens Mohammed authored this treaty when the Muslims first arrived in Medina, as a result of the “prophet” being imperiled in Mecca, and found they were reliant upon the hospitality of the 3 Jewish tribes and assorted Arabs who lived there.
However in less than two years, once Mohammad held the upper hand, two of those tribes had lost their land and valuables to the Muslims after which the real atrocities began in earnest.
Mohammad then turned his attention to the remaining Banu Qurayza tribe, farmers/artisans, who had surrendered without a fight. Over 800 men and pubescent boys were beheaded, plus at least one mad woman, in a bloodbath that puts to rest any claim that Allah is merciful to non believers.
Treaties get broken all the time and Mohammad was no exception. For those interested a more thorough refutation of the Medina debacle can be found here…
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/muhammad/qurayza.aspx
… along with complete referrals to the historic record and most trusted Islamic sources.
Also Surah 2, which you’ve quoted from, is abrogated (Surah 2:106 & 16:101) by Surah 9, which i referenced, with Surah 5 thrown in for good measure. I expect honest apologetics, Jose, not subterfuge.
On a final note; there exists no justification for “killing in the name of” since the time of Messiah’s sacrifice therefore your OT references are not applicable to this debate for (John 8:7) only those who are without sin may cast the first stone.
123’s of true Christianity v popular & damnable heresies
(simply because you “confess” it does not mean you actually are, the devil has deceived many of his own children to believe they are Christians 2Tim 3:5)
#1 “ONE” not triune: THE ANTI CHRIST….WHERE? WHERE?….EVERYWHERE!!! …..IT”S YOU O TRINITARIAN!
“WHO” it was (what person) that came “IN THE FLESH”, IS THE DETERMINING FACTOR IN WHAT IT MEANS TO BE “ANT-CHRIST”! Even Islam claims Jesus was the Jewish messiah/Christ who was to come in the flesh) they all deny “WHO” it was (what person) that came (to be the Christ) in the flesh!?!…….To deny the father is to deny the son because they are one and the same person that came in the flesh! https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-6-anti-christ-where-everywhere-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card
JOHN 14: 8-20 where Christ specifically identifies himself (his person as the person of both the father and the HS; the only distinction is in “location” and “method of manifestation” …….Note Isaiah 9:6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: …: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, … the everlasting Father ….The son, father/Holy Spirit are all the same person, NOT like two different persons working together even as “one flesh” ….The “oneness” between Christ and the father is not comparable to a man & his wife, for only a fool would say “When you have seen me you have seen my wife, how sayest thou then, Shew us your wife?” Notice they asked to see THE FATHER and the response was Jn 14:9 ..“HAVE I BEEN SO LONG time with you, and yet hast THOU NOT KNOW ME, Philip…..Now image some fool trying to claim that statement if you asked to see his wife!?!!? You want to see the FATHER but have I been with you but you don’t know me!?!?!
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Jn 14 continued….…………..17. Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; (Jn 14:6 I AM the way, THE TRUTH,) whom the world cannot receive, .. for HE DEWLLETH WITH YOU, (present tense/standing next to them in the flesh) and SHALL BE IN YOU… (future tense “In them”) 18. I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU (future tense “In them”) Note: The spirit of Christ is the sprit of God and the holy spirit that is why Christ said “I will come to you” (to comfort them, because Christ is the comforter). The spirit was standing next to them in flesh… ….latter it would come to them to be inside of them (inside of their flesh as the spirit we are given)…..that is why. he would send the spirit…… However, Jesus himself here makes the point that the same person who was the HOLY SPIRIT that would come was standing next to them but lets them know “I will come to you again to be Inside of you”
The whole point to Gal 3:20.a mediator is NOT A MEDIATOR OF ONE, (HEIS) but GOD IS ONE. (HEIS) again, point blank, identifies the number of persons of God! The “but” points out the contrast between multiple persons in a mediation party v the “one” of God. God is not like a mediation party with multiple different persons. …..”the express image of his person” ( the person of God; singular not plural).Any attempt to lay claim otherwise is willful ignorance and delusional nonsense https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-1-echadechadmy-godgod-echad-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card
NOTE: don’t be that one in prov 26:12 over my use of the word “fool” here prov 18:13 (https://www.scribd.com/presentation/322007258/Fools ) “But but, the gospel of John…the Gospel of John …look look…” which is quite ironic since the gospel of John does not leave ANY room for multiple different persons of Jesus and father. However the gospel of John does leave a few verses that facilitate God’s promise in 2 Thess 2:11/ Isaiah 66:4 (take note of “HAND” in verse 2,14..You just can’t make this stuff up…God is surely laughing at these fools; Ps 2:1&4)
……Mark 12:28…Which is the first commandment of all? 29. …Hear, O Israel; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD: 30. And ………..this is the first commandment….. 31. And the second is…..
JESUS IS GOD AND IS THE FULLFILMENT OF ALL THE LAW AND PROPHETS SO IF YOU CAN’T GET THIS “FIRST OF ALL COMMANDMENTS” RIGHT, ALL THE REST OF YOUR “FAITH” AND PREACHING ON SIN IS MOOT
TRINITARIANS CONFESS JESUS /THEY ARE NOT POLYTHEIST BUT ARE MONOTHEIST LIKE A LIAR & THIEF WHO “CONFESS” THEY DO NOT LIE OR STEAL The simple fact is that just because you confess or deny that you are in an adulterous relationship and denounce all forms of adultery has nothing to do with whether or not it is in fact adulterous! .. …A rose by any other name is still just a rose AND calling it a water lily does not change the definition of what a water Lilly or a rose is either!…No, Trinitarians confess & preach literally …”ANOTHER JESUS” 2 Cor 11:4
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- Like a thief in your house caught stealing your things insisting he was not there stealing “I CONFESS I am NOT stealing”. You just do not “properly understand” what he is doing/saying. Further, since you never had a “proper understanding” of what he is doing/saying you have no business accusing him since you do not even know what you are talking about in the first place. It is with and in your own ignorance that you base your “false accusations” & “ad homonym attacks” against him…… Ridiculous of course it is ……2Thess 2:11; Titus 1:16; 2Tim 3:5;
- A Favorite tool for pathological liars is to use incongruent definitions or create oxymorons out of synonyms such as “a person” and “a being” so as to claim that your god is THREE DIFFERENT PERSONS but ONLY ONE BEING: Which is (1) no different then trying to claim that “THREE DIFFERENT CARS” is “THE ONE VEHICLE” (2) blatant demonstration of the dishonesty & sorcery these children of hell will employ with “a strait face” (which is in part what it means to be a pathological liar)
……but, ah i remember how this game is played… “God is three in one” (or 1in 3 or 3in one et al) should have given you a hint, harking back to Satan in The garden…God said you will die…Satan comes along and states no you will be more WISE……today .God said He is one; but Satan’s children come along and say no three is more WISE and humble in the face of God’s grandeur only “a mystery” that can be understood “in faith”. God uses head and right arm to explain the distinctions between father and son.. However, the Trinitarian heretics say to the effect: “NO, that is just a figure of speech, or that is not what God really means. What God is really saying is that God is three different persons”. Fools, hypocrites and blind guides, God said he was One and by your traditions and vain imaginations have taken the words of God and made them of no effect, refashioning God into your image!
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#2 SECOND COMING Thou Fool! “I come quickly” so “Hold fast
till i come”… NOT …“in another 2000 yrs I might be coming soon any time now, so hold fast”!?! …those that deny the second coming of Christ in the war of AD70 are practicing a damnable heresy in denying the lord that bought them ( 2Peter 2:1-2 ;2Tim 4:8/ you cant love an appearing you deny& the context is the 2nd coming not the first)… Mat 7:23..”I NEVER KNEW YOU” …..Mat 10:33. But whosoever shall deny me before men……..sound familiar?…. If I said I am coming to your house in this generation when these things happen but no one knows the day or hour what fool would think I might be coming in 2000 years latter!?!? ..2 Tim 4: 4. And
they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be TURNED UNTO FABLES.
2Thess 2: 11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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#3 There is a sharp contrast between THREE groups :
(1) “PREDESTINED DAMNED” who were NEVER written in the book of life ………..Rev 17: 8 WHOSE NAMES WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, …as contrasted …EPH 1: 4. According as he hath CHOSEN US in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD
(2) “MANY CALLED”= ONLY and ALL SAINTS (those who come to Christ) are written in the book of life … Philippians 4:3… ……Rev 21:27; (Only saints are Called and elect; Rom 1:6-7 et al) This is THE CHRUCH and ONLY these can have their names blotted out of the book of life ….….Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and CHURCH of the firstborn … WHICH ………are WRITTEN in heaven,
(3) THE FEW CHOSEN: Those saints who were alive in group #2 who are now physically dead. They died “faithful” these are the FEW that were chosen faithful…….Rev 3:5. ……; and I
will not BLOT OUT HIS NAME OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE, (Ps 69:28) …. These are the FEW that are CHOSEN and now that they have died and are saved then “once saved THEY CAN NEVER BE LOST”
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https://www.academia.edu/25217564/Most_True_Christains_Go_to_Hell
and Coincidentally that’s how ALL governments operate.. ultimately, if you refuse to “volunteer” to pay them what they demand, THEY WILL MURDER YOU!
The same old lies being circulated by people with no intellect. The governments created these groups for their own greed and control over the middle east resources under the pretext of war on terror. One has to only ask why are these devout muslims are killing muslims on a daily basis. Why these devout muslims just the night before were drinking alcohol or taking drugs before carrying out the killings in the west. Overnight they found God and then decided to kill on his behalf. If muslims were ordered to kill non-muslims, why has it taken them so long. I didn’t hear of terror attacks before 911, which if you opened your eyes will see it was a false flag. A passport managed to remain intact, but a stell building was destroyed. I think flouride in the water has done a good job dumbing people down enough, to not question anything.
As for islam, it’s not more violent than other religions, A look into the verbatim text suggests that the content in the Quran is not more violent than its Judeo-Christian counterparts. In fact, of the three texts, the content in the Old Testament appears to be the most violent.
Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament than in the Quran (2.8% vs. 2.1%), but the Old Testament clearly leads—more than twice that of the Quran—in mentions of destruction and killing (5.3%).
New Testament Highest in ‘Love’, Quran Highest in ‘Mercy’
The concept of ‘Love’ is more often mentioned in the New Testament (3.0%) than either the Old Testament (1.9%) or the Quran (1.26%).
But the concept of ‘Forgiveness/Grace’ actually occurs more often in the Quran (6.3%) than the New Testament (2.9%) or the Old Testament (0.7%). This is partly because references to “Allah” in the Quran are frequently accompanied by “The Merciful.” Some might dismiss this as a tag or title, but we believe it’s meaningful because mercy was chosen above other attributes like “Almighty” that are arguably more closely associated with deities. http://odintext.com/blog/text-analysis-quran-bible-3of3/
Allah does not forbid you [O you who believe!] from being kind and just to those who have not waged war against you because of your religion and have not driven you out of your homes. Surely Allah loves those who are just 60.8
O my Lord! Surely they are a people who do not believe” (from 43.88),
43.89. Yet forbear and pardon them, and (when you go your way,) say, “Peace (be upon you)!” In time, they will come to know.
Nowhere is there any mention of killing those who don’t believe. “there is no compulsion in religion” (from 2.256).
God does not require your empty worship which you would make if the religion was forced upon you.
The violent verses are there for times of war. Just like you wouldn’t stand there whilst your families were attacked, we too have the go ahead to protect ours.
Let’s hope it doesn’t come to it. Peace
McAuthor in the Philipines was fighting the Islam warriors . They were idiots like we face today . Bang blow yourselves up and others with you . So McAuthor thought about this , how can you defeat an enemy that has no fear of dying ? There has to be a weakness some where . Then he found out their weakness . The captured soldiers were made to dig their own graves . After digging them they were shot ! One soldier was allowed to live and tell the tale . At first this did not bother the muslim soldier . But then McAuthor brought in pigs ! Kill them he said and cut them up and save the blood . The dead pig body parts were thrown into the pit with the dead soldiers . Then the blood was poured all over them . Suddenly fear struck the Muslim soldier that had been allowed to live . In his belief his Conrad’s that had died were now condemned to hell eternally and had lost their virgins because of the pig blood poured upon them . Allah was not going to take them into his place , they are eternally damned . McAuthor had found their weakness , pig blood and pig body parts . The Muslims left the island and returned no more until recently . So my friends when these idiots start their radical ignorance , dip your bullets in pig blood or rub them with pig fat onto the bullet head and put up signs around your yard , home protected by pig fat rubbed bullets or pig blood dipped bullets , you will be eternally damned by Allah ! P.S. no virgins for you idiots ! Now make my day and bring your asses on !!!
Wow I seriously have to laugh at this one. Pig is a creation of God and it has its uses (leather). Muslims are just not allowed to eat it just like it was forbidden in the bible. We actually follow what was revealed because no-one came to save us from sin and we have to save ourselves.
Mayhem:
Why don’t find yourself another site which will give you facts.
‘WHEN the Prophet (Pbuh) first arrived in Medina, the Jews who were living there had welcomed him. The Prophet (Pbuh) had returned their greeting, as he wished to be on good terms with them. An agreement was also reached between the Muslims and the Jews, which gave the Jews the freedom to practice their religion and which also set out their rights and their duties. Among these duties was that in the case of war with Quraysh, the Jews would fight on the side of the Muslims.
Despite this agreement, however, some of the Jewish tribes, who resented the Prophet’s presence in Medina, soon began to cause trouble amongst the Muslims. They tried to set the Muslim Emigrants from Mecca and the Ansar against each other. The troublemakers were given many warnings but they continued to be a nuisance. In the end, the Muslims had no choice but to drive them from Medina. A new agreement was offered those Jews who remained but the trouble did not end there. One of the Jewish tribes, the Bani Nadir plotted to murder the Prophet (Pbuh) but their plan was discovered and they, too, were exiled from the city. Knowing that they could not defeat the Muslims themselves, some of the leaders of the exiled Jews secretly went to Mecca to enlist the help of Quraysh. Knowing what the Meccans would like to hear, they pretended to believe in the same things. They said that they thought that the old Arab tradition was better than the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) and that they believed that the Quraysh religion of worshipping many idols was better than the Prophet’s with only one God. Then the Jews told them that if all the Arab tribes attacked Medina, the Jews inside the city would help to defeat the Prophet (Pbuh) and Islam once and for all.
The leaders of Quraysh were pleased to hear all this and seizing on what seemed to them a very good opportunity, agreed to the plan and began to gather together a formidable army. In the meantime in Medina, only one Jewish tribe, the Bani Quraydhah, refused to betray the Muslims.
Eventually the Muslims learned of the preparations being made for war in Mecca and of the plotting of the Jews within Medina itself. The betrayal of the Muslims by the Jews did not surprise the Prophet (Pbuh), who said of them: ‘The hearts of the Jews have become closed to the truth. They have forgotten what Muses taught them long ago that there is only one God.”
If you want to know the truth then here is the full story
http://www.answering-christianity.com/umar/banu_quraiza_stuff.htm
Most of you have forgotten how Jesus was persecuted. The jews were exiled many times even before Islam. So whilst Mohammed fought against those who fought him, Jesus is yet to come back to take revenge in his second coming.
1 Corinthians 15:24 [Jesus] will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having destroyed every ruler and authority and power.
15:25 For Christ must reign until he humbles all his enemies beneath his feet.
Jesus also said: “These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: ‘Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.’ (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 10:5-6
Now unless you’re from Israel will you be saved?
You’ve mentioned surah 9 and 5. Which verses exactly?
‘On a final note; there exists no justification for “killing in the name of” since the time of Messiah’s sacrifice therefore your OT references are not applicable to this debate for (John 8:7) only those who are without sin may cast the first stone.’
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them”
Jesus supported the OT
Matthew 4:4New International Version (NIV)
4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.
You’re right there is no justification in killing anyone. God reminds us many times our enemy is satan and not each other.