Human Beings Are The Fallen Angels Who Fought Alongside Lucifer
Who doesn’t know the story of Lucifer and his fallen angels?
Everyone knows this profound pre-world history. The arrogant and selfish angel Lucifer recruited other angels in heaven to fight against God. He wanted to take the Lord’s place and rule the heavens in his own selfish style. But Prince Michael and His army defeated these rebel angels. And they were all sentenced to death for their treason.
But God, with His infinite mercy, love and wisdom, decided not to execute them immediately. He gave them a stay; an extended stay on the prison planet Earth. It was created for them so that they could be taught to be good again. All angels/souls submitted to becoming Adams and Eves, human-animal bodies to prove they could be good and earn their right to enter heaven again as beings/angels. All of them agreed, except Lucifer.
Now, all humans (fallen angels) are walking in the shadow of the death-sentence until Judgment Day, where each soul will be judged on individual merits. Those who want to become good again, by being obedient to the Laws of God, will earn their pardon. Those wicked beings who mislead others; and who still side with Lucifer’s views will be first into the hell-fire after him. Lucifer still has his super human powers and can tempt, test and even reward humans with worldly treasures and power. Remember, he offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world if He would bow down to him. But Jesus, God’s son, knew the Law and was the living Word of it. His mission was to demonstrate by example The Way a human-being must be (act, speak and believe) to go Home. He proved a soul/Being inside a human could be good. And when He left, He left the Holy Spirit to guide human-beings. This means each soul had direct communication with Father which art in heaven.
The Old Testament isn’t null and void through Jesus’ crucifixion. He said to keep the Law, which is found in the Torah, the first five books of the Bible. Some things did change. For example, animal sacrifice turned into “self” sacrifice. He said that unless human-beings chose be born again as their spirits, they could not enter heaven again. Using the Holy Spirit, direct communication with Father, they could learn to crucify (control) their “selves”, through their spirits’ desire to be good again.
A soul needs to put his spirit in control of the cross he bears- his human-animal body. If he extends his arms to the side, he can easily see the cross he bears, the one he is trapped inside.
Unfortunately, most everyone wants to be an animal. They want to over indulge- eat more than their share; have more than their share; and hoard to themselves, instead of sharing with goodness. Each human-being must crucify “self” and his “self-righteousness”. Self- righteousness is just satanic arrogance.
Human-beings must be keen to be humble, faithful and loyal to God only. It’s their only way out of here. This prison planet is a finite world. Guardian angels are around. They help guide human-beings, but they also record every thought, word and action.
The BIBLE stands for Basic Instruction Before Leaving Earth. Some believe it’s fallible, just a book written by man and is full of mistakes and alterations. They choose to believe this lie, because it’s in the best interest of their human. Satan’s biggest lie has been that people “are only human, after all.” This belief allows humans to do their will, not God’s Will.
Yes, evil humans did alter the Bible to some degree. For instance, members of the Synagogue of Satan removed the Book of Enoch and Gospel of Thomas, because they revealed too much truth and insight into human existence and the purpose of life. How could they control humans if they knew the truth? They certainly didn’t like losing control when Jesus preached the truth. But the truth is that the Bible is the Word and the messages about being obedient, and not rebelling, are repeated over and over within its pages.
With what human beings should know by now, those in the Synagogue of Satan should be shaking in their shoes. Instead they are laughing, because they have deceived everyone. They see everyone as an animal, but basically that’s what people choose to be.
The big question is why are human beings listening to their fellow prisoners and following their un-Godly laws, bad advice, and insanity?
Fallen angels have been given 6,000 years to learn to be good by their own free choice, through a course of hundreds of lifetimes. With the world in the state it’s in and the Synagogue of Satan in absolute control, do they need any more time?
Think of it this way. The body is a vehicle; either God’s inner voice or Satan’s inner voice is driving it. You have to choose who is captain and discern if you are being guided by God or Satan, good or evil. Practice how to know the difference.
Note: the Synagogue of Satan knows what works to control the masses: Fear. Turn fear into faith, return to the Law of God, and He will fight the battle.
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Sounds like someone needs to re-read the story of Lucifer and the fallen angels again. The fallen angels are all destined for Hell once Jesus returns to judge the earth. They chose the devil over God and are doomed. We, humans, have the 2nd chance of forgiveness through faith in Christ. The fallen angels, demons, are not offered this and there is more than clear distinctions made between humans and angels throughout the Bible.
“Who doesn’t know the story of Lucifer and his fallen angels?”
Deluded people think they know the story of Lucifer, but in reality the Lucifer thing is a Roman Cult trick and a lie.
Fallen angels yes, but the Lucifer myth is just that – a myth. Satan the Devil was created, he was never an angel nor was he a cherub.
Gen 3:1 (KJV) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God HAD MADE. (emphasis mine)
The word ‘lucifer’ is a Latin word (a corruption) added to the Hebrew text of Isaiah 14 – the only place in The Bible where the word ‘lucifer’ can be found.
I urge you to go here and learn The Truth:
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Sounds like you are playing a word game. The Bible tells a story of an evil Spirit that is the source of all evil and lies on this planet. That evil Spirit goes by many names in many different cultures, and you’re playing a word game with his name. Regardless of what you call him, we have all felt his influence and suffered from his evil lies.
A word game???? Not at all. The Roman Cult plays word games continually, are you now going to defend them, or be prepared to be corrected when mistaken?
Remember that even Peter had to be corrected by Paul when he was wrong.
Furthermore, nowhere have I denied the existence of Satan the Devil. All I am saying is that he was never known as Lucifer and he was never a fallen angel – he was created evil.
Lucifer and Satan are different words for the same thing.
“Lucifer and Satan are different words for the same thing.”
That is a lie.
It also proves that you are Biblically ignorant.
Jmoo, care to back that up with some Scripture? I won’t hold my breath, because what you are citing is actually a common misinterpretation with no Scriptural backing.
“The fallen angels are all destined for Hell once Jesus returns to judge the earth.” – got Scripture for this?
“They chose the devil over God and are doomed.” – that’s what a lot of people choose now.
“We, humans, have the 2nd chance of forgiveness through faith in Christ.” – humans have no second chance. It is the soul that can be redeemed and go to Heaven, not a human.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born from above, he cannot SEE the Kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (human) and then is born (later) from above as his spirit-”Being” (his REAL self which is NOT human), he can NOT enter into the Kingdom of God (Who is a Spirit-”Being”).
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is human; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-”Being”) – (a human+Being).
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Some people think that being born again refers to the conversion, but that’s really not what those verses talk about. For example, jmoo probably considers himself a Christian, but he also considers himself a human, which means that he has not been born again as a Spirit.
“The fallen angels, demons, are not offered this” – a Spirit that is incarnated as a human Being, which is what we all are, is offered this through Jesus Christ. Only a Spirit can go to Heaven, so for us to be able to go to Heaven, we must be Spirits. We are also clearly inside human flesh bodies right now, so we are incarnated. If you disagree with this simple logic, find Scripture that says otherwise without you having to twist it.
“clear distinctions made between humans and angels throughout the Bible.” – there are humans and there are angels. There are also souls inside of human bodies. It is the soul that can enter Heaven, not the body. The soul and the body are separated when the body dies. Yes, there is a distinction between humans and Spirits and yes it is spelled out in the Bible, but you clearly don’t get it. What is worse is you are teaching your(actually it’s Satan’s) misinterpretation to others while heckling down someone that is on the right path. What’s really going on is you are peddling Satan’s lie that “we are only human”, which is what people use to excuse their flaws and weaknesses instead of conquering them in Christ’s Strength after being born again as their Spirit. If you are not born again as your Spirit, you WILL NOT enter Heaven. Think about that.
Some of your comment is correct, other parts are not.
1) No one is going to heaven. Yashua Anointed is going to return to THIS EARTH and rule it for a thousand years. At His return the first resurrection will occur and the saints who died will rise from their graves as spirit beings. Those saints still alive at His return will be transformed into Spirit beings to join those raised from their graves. We will meet Him IN THE AIR, in our atmosphere, not in heaven. False Christian believers and Judaisers i.e. followers of the Christian Religion will also be resurrected (The Goats and Tares) and cast into outer darkness – there will be weeping and wailing and the gnashing of teeth. So repent now all you papists and protestants.
2) Souls die – period. A soul is a living breathing being. A soul is not spirit.
Ezek 18:4 (KJV) Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Ezek 18:20 (KJV) The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
3) Hu-men are not men. A hu-man being and a man are two different creatures hence Yashua Anointed was called specifically The SON of MAN, not the son of a hu-man being.
‘Hu’ from the Hebrew/Gaelic tongue means ‘serpent’ so a hu-man is a serpent man or what some would call a reptilian. Serpent men are the Devil’s seed descended from Cain and after the flood Canaan. They are the Tares and Goats.
1) Looks like “yes2truth” missed the part about Eternal Life. John 10:28 And I give unto them Eternal Life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.
2) A soul can be destroyed, by being cast into the Fire. That doesn’t mean that a soul can die of “natural causes”.
3) More word games.
“Some of your comment is correct, other parts are not.” – who is “yes2truth” to decide whether I’m right or wrong, exactly? The attitude of judging things I say means that chances are slim of actually having a conversation with “yes2truth”, since he will just superimpose his preconceptions over my message and only accept parts of it that match the lies that he is peddling. Since we are talking about lies and Satan here, it should be pointed out that Satan very much doesn’t want people to find any Truth, so he’s going to throw a bunch of lies to try to hide the Truth here.
Isn’t the resurrection TO eternal life? Why are you therefore introducing it other than to distract the thread off topic?
The fact that a soul can be destroyed proves that it is not spirit, for spirit cannot be destroyed.
“who is “yes2truth” to decide whether I’m right or wrong, exactly?”
yes2truth is a messenger of Yashua Anointed which then beggars the question who is freedomranger with all his mainstream Christian BS and like ALL mainstream Chritians needs correcting?
Now how about you coming back with proof and evidence that Christians are going to heaven – I think that will be good start. Scripture and verse only please, not your erroneous useless arrogant opinion.
Rev. 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
2:28 And I will give him the Morning Star.
The Morning Star is in Heaven.
That doesn’t mean that “Christians” wholesale are going to Heaven – everyone is judged individually on Judgment Day.
“The fact that a soul can be destroyed proves that it is not spirit, for spirit cannot be destroyed.” – soul and spirit are different words for the same thing.
“Isn’t the resurrection TO eternal life?” – Jesus promised immortality to His true followers. This is not human immortality, but immortality for the soul/Spirit/Being(different words for the same thing). This immortality means being pardoned instead of being sent into the Fire on Judgment Day. Spiritual Immortality is one of the fundamental messages of Jesus and is repeated many times:
Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death (the Fire).
Rev. 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with Fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Here is a verse that is very simple and straight-forward:
Rev. 28:10 For the body is mortal and will decay, but the spirit is eternal and knows not death.
And just to be sure that there are spirits in human bodies, here is another verse:
Luke 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw [this], they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elijah did?
9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what kind of spirit ye are of (Rev. 12:7-9; Matt. 8:22).
The con of “yes2truth” word games is claiming that if two words are different, they must mean different things. It’s obvious that often there are different words for the same thing, especially for subjects that span multiple cultures and millenia.
Why is it mainstream Christians love to read their own crap into the Holy Scriptures? Easy, so as to support their premise syllogistic based beliefs. This is a “make it up as you go” belief system.
Why do they love to create contradictions? Again that’s easy ‘cos they are the Devil’s servants and love to cause confusion via these same contradictions and at the same time bring the Gospel message into disrepute and The Word of God to none effect by the vain traditions of their religious non-gospel.
Ezek 18:4 (KJV) Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Ezek 18:20 (KJV) The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
H5315 SOUL
nephesh neh’-fesh
From H5314; properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): – any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-] contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.
I have re-quoted the above Scriptures and Strongs so that you can go away and research The New Testament and examine where the Greek language fails to describe the word ‘soul’ correctly.
Matt 12:18 (KJV) Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my SOUL is well pleased: I will put my SPIRIT upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
Here in the above verse you can see both words in play – FYI
Souls die – period.
Matt 12:18 (KJV) Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my SOUL is well pleased: I will put my SPIRIT upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
In that verse “My soul” refers to God, Who cannot die. It’s a silly argument anyway. My point was that we are SPIRIT Beings and that’s also one of the points of this story here.
As far as using the words soul and Spirit to describe the same thing as I have done – that is commonly done and these words can be used to describe the same thing. The fact that it is commonly done means that most people should be able to understand the point when these words are used. No2Truth is trying to make an issue out of it because he can’t argue against the actual point of my messages.
I don’t argue – I telll people The Truth.
Soul ‘psuche’ here means “breath of life” so it’s the wrong word. The Creator cannot have “breath of life” for He has no use for it. The secular Greek language is weak so cannot describe this situation correctly.
Go here for a good explanation:
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/psuche.html
“Deluded people think they know the story of Lucifer, but in reality the Lucifer thing is a Roman Cult trick and a lie. ”
Here is the story:
Rev. 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out to the earth, and his angels (you – Luke 9:55) were cast out with him (Matthew 25:41).
It’s pretty explicit on what happened. But of course with word games it’s possible to ignore the real meaning and find a hidden meaning. This hidden meaning can then be used to feel superior to others an belittle them while claiming to be divinely appointed.
Rev 12:7 (KJV) And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels.
Looks like you have added the word ‘lucifer’ to Revelation which is a very naughty and blasphemous thing to do:
Rev 22:18 (KJV) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
May I suggest you repent of your evil doings forthwith.
You need to understand that the word ‘lucifer’ is Roman Cult addition to Isaiah. It’s not rocket science – all you need is a English/Hebrew concordance.
At this point it should be clear to everyone that “yes2truth” is more interested in playing word games than in Truth. Lucifer and Satan are two words that describe the same evil Spirit. It’s a very simple idea – two words mean the same thing. It’s called synonyms. The reason “yes2truth” doesn’t understand it is because he doesn’t want to. This willful ignorance allows him to maintain an illusion of being a divinely appointed messenger, teacher and judge, instead of seeing the harsh reality that he is being consistently used by satan to mislead people and waste their time.
Yes, precisely, an idea and whose idea?
As I have already proven in my articles on the ‘Lucifer’ subject that Lucifer does not exist.
Satan exists because he was created a serpent being and was never a fallen angel – I will requote Genesis again for you for you seem to be very dumb or is it stiff necked?
Gen 3:1 (KJV) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God HAD MADE. (emphasis mine)
Satan WAS MADE EVIL.
Furthermore The Truth is NOT A WORD GAME. Yashua Anointed did not play word games, for He was The Word.
You are the one playing games with stuff that you have never checked out for yourself and just believe blindly the lies that blasphemers and dogs have fed you.
I’m trying to figure out where you got it from that spirits can’t die? Ummm…the last time i checked God can destroy anything He created. Angels are spirits,so how can you say that they can’t die? Yes they can if God wills it so.
No, Spirit is what the Creator consists of and He cannot destroy Himself.
Evil spirits can only be imprisoned or cast into the lake of fire which is a place of punishment or death-life i.e. life without God. Unless you think fire can destroy spirit or that fire can destroy fire.
All the Bible quotes I used are from the King of kings’ Bible. It can be found at http://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/Bible/
Your link is to some one I deem to be a Judaiser and who denies the Pauline message of the New Testament.
That’s a very arrogant opinion and it’s very sad that satan has such full control of “yes2truth”. “No2truth” would have been a more accurate nickname for him.
The Bible at the link above is a very handy resource for studying Scripture online and was posted here as a service. Of course, Satan couldn’t allow that to happen without a fight, so he sent one of his faithful servants, “no2truth”, to pollute the Internet.
Pure uninformed meaningless opinion on your part.
Woof —
What the heck is the Koran doing on the site you linked to FreedomRanger? What is your stance on the Koran?
The Koran teaches that ‘Jesus’ did not die on the cross — that He was replaced with a doppelganger. This eliminates His Sacrifice from the Salvation narrative. There can be no more essential blasphemy than this one point. Thus, there is no room for the possibility that Islam is anything other than infernal. Are you a proponent of Islam?
Yes, he ranks the Koran along side the Holy Scriptures – yet another of his evil blasphemies.
“The Koran teaches that ‘Jesus’ did not die on the cross — that He was replaced with a doppelganger.” – That’s not what the Koran says. Here is what it really says:
“. . .That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ the son of Mary, the Messenger of God”;- but they killed Christ not, nor crucified Christ, but so it was made to appear to them (as they crucified the human body called Jesus, that Christ the spirit-Being used). . .”
http://jahtruth.net/kcnot.htm
http://jahtruth.net/koran.htm
Jesus was the name of the body that was crucified. Christ is the name of the Spirit that is immortal, so He didn’t die and never will.
The Koran is a Holy Book that everyone should read, together with the Bible and The Way Home or Face the Fire.
I do not accept any organized religion. True religion is individual.
“Jesus was the name of the body that was crucified. Christ is the name of the Spirit that is immortal, so He didn’t die and never will.”
That is NOT what is said in this verse. And if there is ANY confusion at all as to whether the Koran is infernal, that confusion is eliminated by the FACT that the Koran VEHEMENTLY denies that ‘Jesus’ is the only begotten Son of our Father in Heaven. This denial is indisputable. Do you dispute it?
The Koran is not from our Father in Heaven and it is not to be considered a valid source of material for followers of the Way of Messiah Yehoshua to consult. The Koran is the work of the Adversary. You include the Koran amongst the Scriptures to your very great detriment. How can you not know who Allah is if you are a student of the Word? Find out who Allah is. This can be done in only a few hours of research time. Trace the roots of this entity back as far as you can. You are well off of the path on this point. The Man of Sin will come from the Muslim world. Does that sound like a ringing endorsement of Islam?
Furthermore, you wrote:
“I do not accept any organized religion. True religion is individual.”
The first sentence is well said. The second sentence is problematic. This is not an individual voyage we are on. This is not a tailor-made-to-fit endeavor. We attune ourselves to the Truth, and not the other way around. We bend ourselves to become as HE has willed, or we fail. But for the fact that each of us is to work out his salvation in fear and trembling, this is not an individual matter. Each of us must become as HE is. ALL religion is to be rejected if we are to complete this journey, and this absolutely includes ‘individual’ or ‘personal’ religion, and it ABSOLUTELY includes Islam.
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“no2truth” claims that souls and Spirits are different things. They are words that can be used to describe the same thing.
“no2truth” claims that Lucifer and Satan are different things. They are words that describe the same thing.
“no2truth” has spun an entire doctrine out of these seeming word distinctions. It’s a common trick and I refer to it as playing word games.
There are many resources valuable to Truth seekers linked to on this page: http://www.thewayhomeorfacethefire.info, http://jahtruth.net, and http://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/Bible/
“no2truth” and satan would prefer that you study their insane word-game doctrine instead. The choice is yours.
““no2truth” claims that souls and Spirits are different things. They are words that can be used to describe the same thing.”
Readers of the comment sections at this site may well be aware that Yes2Truth and I agree on very little. In this instance, however, he happens to be correct. The soul (nephesh) is most decidedly NOT the same thing as the spirit (ruach) when these terms are used in the Scriptures. The nephesh is a perishable, breathing, living being. The ruach can only be harmed or terminated by the Almighty.
The matter of ‘Satan’ and ‘Lucifer’ is not as easily summed up. The case can be made for both arguments. I find it interesting that the Luciferians themselves have adopted the term and typically intend for it to signify Satan. Isaiah 14 taken in conjunction with Ezekiel 28 seems to be telling the same story. Is it possible that the Kings of Tyre and Babylon are here symbolic representations of the Adversary himself? I think it is possible. Luciferians certainly seem to think so.
Yes, technically a soul can mean a different thing from a spirit, for example having 200 souls on a ship or something. The reason this argument came about is that I used the word soul to refer to Spirit because these things can be used as synonyms as far as I know. For example here:
“We, humans, have the 2nd chance of forgiveness through faith in Christ.” – humans have no second chance. It is the soul that can be redeemed and go to Heaven, not a human.
I clearly meant the soul to be the same thing as the Spirit. Pointing out the distinction between the two words here is just nitpicking. To be more precise though, I meant:
Humans have no second chance. It is the Spirit that can be redeemed and go to Heaven, not a human.
“I clearly meant the soul to be the same thing as the Spirit. Pointing out the distinction between the two words here is just nitpicking.”
Each and every instance of the terms ‘nephesh’ and ‘ruach’ in the Old Testament make the distinction clear. No exceptions. This is not nitpicking.
The terms in Greek are different as well, and communicate an important distinction. The Greek word for soul is ‘psyche’ and the Greek word for spirit is ‘neuma’. Again, not nitpicking. There is a very important distinction which is highlighted by the use of these specific and different terms. We conflate the meaning of these terms in error.
Also, you seem to be quoting someone in your above posting. I have no idea who you are quoting, so I’ll assume that portion of your comment is not directed to me. I do my best to deal in biblical principles only whenever discussing matters related to the Bible.
We are not speeking Latin, Greek or Hebrew here – we are speaking English. In the English language, the words soul and Spirit are often used interchangeably. The point is that humans can’t go to Heaven, but souls/Spirits have a chance to go to Heaven. We are SPIRIT Beings inside human flesh and if we do what Christ says to do, we may go to Heaven. If we do go to Heaven, our human bodies are not coming with us – the human bodies will die and stay here.
The two of satan’s greatest lies are that we are only human and that satan doesn’t exist. There are many variations of these lies, some of which we are seeing here. The word games about the meaning of the words Lucifer/satan are used to cloak who exactly Satan is, so it’s a variation of the lie the satan doesn’t exist. The word games about the meaning of the words Spirit/soul are used to cloak the fact that we are actually Spirits/souls inside human bodies and to confuse people into thinking that we are humans, so it’s a variation of the lie that we are only human.
FreedomRanger wrote:
“We are not speeking Latin, Greek or Hebrew here – we are speaking English. In the English language, the words soul and Spirit are often used interchangeably.”
This is intended to serve what purpose? Do you care what folks do with the English language? I don’t for the very simple reason that it has ZERO bearing on the message delivered to us in the written Word – which is what we are discussing here.
“The point is that humans can’t go to Heaven, but souls/Spirits have a chance to go to Heaven.”
Thy Kingdom COME. The Kingdom of Heaven is coming here. No one is promised ascent to Heaven. YHWH is coming HERE. We aren’t going THERE. Some of us will meet Him on His way here, but it is not written that we are going anywhere. Religion teaches that we ascend to Heaven; the Scriptures do not.
“[T]he human bodies will die and stay here.”
Correct. Until such time as the resurrection of the flesh. There will be multiple periods of resurrection, but all will be resurrected: Some to righteousness, others to judgment. The Scriptures are clear that the resurrection is a PHYSICAL phenomenon. It may be spiritual as well as physical, but there is absolutely a physical element to it. See the Book of Job. See the Book of Psalms.
“…word games about the meaning of the words Lucifer/satan are used to cloak who exactly Satan is…”
Where you see word games, I see simple questioning of traditionally held views. I already conceded the POSSIBILITY that Satan and Lucifer/Helel are on-and-the-same. The possibility is by no means conclusive. If you are unwilling to question even that which you feel you have well established in your own mind, then you will become stuck – you will become bogged down in the mire of doctrine and you will arrest all possible progress with respect to your journey. Question everything.
“…it’s a variation of the lie the satan doesn’t exist.”
Balderdash. I do not deny Satan exists. He exists of a mortal certainty. I don’t know who he is. I don’t know what he is. I expect I will be learning the answers to these riddles at the same time most of us will. If one of us is playing word games, it’s not me.
I don’t base my beliefs on the tenets and habits of modern language. It’s a shame that you do. You have seriously hampered yourself, and rather than acknowledge the legitimacy of an opposing viewpoint, you have dug in your heels and accused another of playing games. I have no interest in your argument of semantics. I have even less interest in your arguments from modern language usage. I will discuss the Scriptures with you on their own merit. The Scriptures are not discussed without taking into consideration the languages they were originally recorded in.
Have you an answer for Islam’s claim that Messiah IS NOT THE SON of our Father in Heaven? Of course you do not. You would rather accuse me of playing word games.
I challenge you to answer the question I have now asked you twice.
Islam and Messiah.
What say you?
Answering questions and explaining things is not my responsibility.
FreedomRanger wrote:
“Answering questions and explaining things is not my responsibility.”
This is a recording. Each and every time the back of one of you fellas is pressed up against the wall and you are directly asked a question for which you can have no right answer, you all say the same thing. Second time today. The last fella just said:
“I don’t answer you simply because I owe you no explanations. None zero, nada.” (/religion/2012/12/the-catholic-bible-deception-2446846.html)
At least you’re not as petulant as he was about it.
But I am asking you. I do not say that is your responsibility to answer me – but the Apostle Peter DOES say that it is your responsibility (1 Peter 3:15). Honesty demands as much. If you ask me a question for which I have no answer, I will get back to you when I have an answer, or I will freely admit to you that I have no answer.
You have no answer because this is the point at which the imaginary connection between the Scriptures and Islam evaporates into thin air. There is no legitimate connection between the Koran and the Scriptures. That is the fact of the matter. You have been asked to defend the connection you proclaim to be true, and you find that you cannot defend it.
Here is a proverb which I did not write:
When it can be demonstrated to an honest man that he is in error, one of two things will happen: The man will cease being in error, or he will cease being honest.
@FreedomRanger who said…
“Answering questions and explaining things is not my responsibility.”
It would be interesting and informative if you did answer Muad Dib’ questions; i am learning a great deal and i’m certain not to be alone. There are 3 to 400 views per hour for this debate, you know: not all of us post but many of this silent audience are very skilled in discernment. It is very likely that you have met your match and this last statement of yours is a typical pouting response that many of us are well used to.
Thank you for causing Mr Muad Dib to defend his Faith for my enlightenment.
1 Peter 3:15. Thank you for for this counsel.
As i search for the Truth, the Way and the Life i note with troubled conscience the advice/warning contained in the last sentence of this passage.
Mayhem could certainly be more gentle and respectful.
Uh-oh, Mayhem…
Now yes2truth is going to accuse me of patting myself on the back.
Or you.
That’s partly my fault though. So I retired my alter-ego when it became a problem. It was supposed to be amusing, not deceitful. No more BS. Just Muad Dib. Though I shall miss him.
Do not be at all concerned Mr Muad Dib, as you have noticed i give very little effort at defending accusations of duplicity. It is much like the tried and true pout-a-round (rhymes with merry go round)
that caused my first contribution to this thread.
I decided, a very long time ago, to only allow the opinions of those whom i respect to affect my sensibilities. So far here at B4IN i have found very few who deserve my respect; you Sir are one of these few, yes2truth, not so much.
The feeling is mutual Mayhem. I admire your work.
@ SlaveryRanger
The blasphemer continues with his lies and his stupid ignorance.
““no2truth” claims that souls and Spirits are different things. They are words that can be used to describe the same thing.”
I claim nothing, The Holy Scripture state clearly that souls die, so souls CANNOT BE SPIRIT. That means they are two different things. Your denying this Truth makes you a deluded numb skull and/or a liar.
““no2truth” claims that Lucifer and Satan are different things. They are words that describe the same thing.”
Again I claim nothing. The Hebrew text in Isaiah 14 makes no mention of anything or anyone with the name Lucifer. They ARE NOT DIFFERENT THINGS because one does not exist. In order to be different things there would need to be two things and there is only one thing i.e. Satan The Devil who was created.
How many times do I have to quote THIS Holy Scripture below before it sinks into your thick skull?
Gen 3:1 (KJV) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God HAD MADE. (emphasis mine)
““no2truth” has spun an entire doctrine out of these seeming word distinctions. It’s a common trick and I refer to it as playing word games.”
The TRUTH IS NOT DOCTRINE, only religious ignorant people have doctrine.
@ SlaveryRanger
“We are not speeking Latin, Greek or Hebrew here – we are speaking English. In the English language, the words soul and Spirit are often used interchangeably.”
Herein lies your problem, because the original writings WERE in Hebrew (OT) and Greek (NT) NOT ENGLISH. English is a bastardised language and easlly corruptable and very often more than ambiguous, so fertile ground for perverters of The Truth like you.
This means that the words ‘soul’ and ‘spirit’ are NOT interchangeable, unless you are wanting to deceive, corrupt and thereby create contradictions in The Holy Word of God.
@ Mayhem Dib and all his other personalities. LOL
I have heard it said by pyschologists that it’s fine if we talk to ourselves i.e. a sign of sanity no less, but if we answer ourselves back we have a very serious problem. LOL
why not reply to yourself, maybe it’s your spirit answering back?!..
Good news to spread to the whole world EVEN THE FAR EAST!
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Daniel says to drop everything (everything this article’s talking about – you’ll not need anything else to know) once you hear the good news of the Revelation.
Here it is:
Obama’s the Antichrist because the Illinois Lottery drew 666 on the day after Obama’s election and that’s the awaited prophecy-omen of the Antichrist so Obama’s the Antichrist.
Drop everything you’ve got occupying your attention.
What is this? I don’t even…
Seriously though, don’t you think the fact that you are actually a SPIRIT is more important than the lottery numbers in the Illinois Lottery on the day of Obama’s election?
No, it’s more important to see the miracle.
Heaven sent a miracle which is this 666 lottery draw.
It’s important to see this miracle because that’s the Apocalypse.
I’m sorry I asked.
People have been saying obama’s the Antichrist it’s not new.
But now is time for it.
Hey this must be a sign of the Apocalypse.
Heckler Confronts Obama As “ANTICHRIST”
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Confronted – Barack Obama: Antichrist
/prophecy/2012/12/heckler-confronts-obama-as-antichrist-2443998.html
Here’s THE PROOF He is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hs27ASnnpzI
“But I am asking you. I do not say that is your responsibility to answer me – but the Apostle Peter DOES say that it is your responsibility (1 Peter 3:15)”
1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
This doesn’t mean that every question has to be answered. A link to a site that explains about what the Koran says about Christ has already been posted. Here it is again – http://jahtruth.net/koran.htm If a person really wanted to know, they could find that information there. If a person thinks they already know the subject well enough not only to teach others but to judge them, then the questions they ask are not a part of a friendly conversation, but a part of a hostile attack.
“Have you an answer for Islam’s claim that Messiah IS NOT THE SON of our Father in Heaven? Of course you do not. You would rather accuse me of playing word games.”
In this case, the line of questioning doesn’t even make sense, since I know very little about organized religion called “Islam” and cannot offer meaningful answers about it. Since I refused to answer vague questions posed in an hostile manner about a subject I don’t know, “Muad Dib” crowned himself “victor” of the thread.
This guy thinks he’s really clever, and he is. Just not as clever as he thinks he is. Here is an opportunity to learn vital information that EVERY SOUL needs to know to go to HEAVEN and he’s arguing about semantics. Worse than that, he is spreading ignorance, by saying the Koran says something which the Koran does not say, which discourages people from actually reading the Koran. There are many important messages in the Koran for those who seek the Truth.
It comes as no surprise that you have taken the attitude you have and that you say things like:
“This doesn’t mean that every question has to be answered.”
Yes, you have a responsibility to answer the questions put to you. Your answer can be that you do not wish to answer. That’s an answer. You can also refuse to answer. What you are doing instead is deflecting and playing games. Play on. Good may yet come from it all.
“If a person thinks they already know the subject well enough not only to teach others but to judge them, then the questions they ask are not a part of a friendly conversation, but a part of a hostile attack.”
If you are truly so sensitive that you have misconstrued anything I have said to you, at any time, to be an attack – then you really do need to toughen up a bit. At no time have I attacked you or dealt with you in a particularly adversarial fashion. I can, and do, argue in support of my beliefs and statements. Thus far, all you have done is deflect and complain.
“Since I refused to answer vague questions posed in an hostile manner about a subject I don’t know, “Muad Dib” crowned himself “victor” of the thread.”
Was there something vague about my question to you? Now I am seriously beginning to question your integrity. These tactics of yours are not the tactics of a man. These are the tactics of a very weak person who cannot bear to be questioned on much of anything. You made the claim that the Koran is to be considered on a level with the Scriptures. I dispute that claim. If the subject is one about which you know nothing, then why have you persisted in associating the Koran with the Scriptures? I have studied the Koran, just as I have studied the Scriptures. I understand that my merely stating this fact will be perceived by you to be an intolerable display of arrogant pomposity. Too bad. Am I conversing with a grown man or with a child? If you are a child, then I completely understand your behavior. You are behaving exactly like the average Western man behaves these days. Did I crown myself “victor” at some point? I must have missed that. Or you invented it. I grow weary of this nonsense. Grow up.
“Here is an opportunity to learn vital information that EVERY SOUL needs to know to go to HEAVEN and he’s arguing about semantics.”
I have shown you that the distinction is to be found IN THE SCRIPTURES. You would like to eliminate all such distinctions. You may not undo what has been done in the written Word. Why you insist on trying is beyond my capacity to comprehend. Move on. You cannot alter or conflate the intended meaning of the two words simply because it is convenient to your purposes. We are to bend ourselves to fit the written Word – not the other way around. You are too stubborn and therefore inflexible. You would rather accuse me than hear what is being said to you. I have no interest in teaching you. I thought we were conversing. We were until you changed the game.
“Worse than that, he is spreading ignorance, by saying the Koran says something which the Koran does not say…”which discourages people from actually reading the Koran.”
I knew we’d get there eventually. Clearly you know NOTHING about the Koran. Have you ever read the Koran once in its entirety? I doubt it. You think your time is better spent accusing others of ignorance. Well sir, let us see who is ignorant:
“Sura 19:20,34, Jesus praised his birth and then said, “I am the servant of Allah.” And Allah teaches, “It is not for God to take a son unto Him.” Here we have Jesus speaking denying everything he said in the Bible.”
“In Sura 10:68-70 They say: “God hath begotten a son!” – Glory be to Him! He is self- sufficient! His are all things in the heavens and on earth! No warrant have ye for this! say ye about God what ye know not? Say: “Those who invent a lie against God will never prosper.” A little enjoyment in this world!- and then, to Us will be their return, then shall We make them taste the severest penalty for their blasphemies.””
http://www.letusreason.org/islam11.htm
Rather than waste any more of your time accusing me of attacking you and acting arrogantly, why don’t you GOOGLE: “The Koran teaches that ‘Jesus’ is not the son of ‘God’.” Then you can spend some of your time reading through the 1,260,000 results you will have to choose from.
“..which discourages people from actually reading the Koran.”
Again, you have things all back-to-front. I encourage EVERYONE to read the Koran. The proof is in the reading. When a person studies the Scriptures side-by-side with the Koran, the contrast is startling. The Koran is one-dimensional, whereas the Scriptures are multi-dimensional. The Koran is cold and dead. The Scriptures are vibrant and alive. Read the Koran – by all means. I certainly advise YOU to read the Koran. Then the next time you find yourself engaged in a conversation with another man about the Koran, you can at least have some inkling as to what you are talking about.
“There are many important messages in the Koran for those who seek the Truth.”
There is ONE important message contained in the Koran for those who seek Truth: The message is that the Koran is yet another in a long line of diversions from the Way, the Truth, and the Life. That is the message.
I have to go. If anyone would like to know more about the Koran, there is a lot of information at http://jahtruth.net/koran.htm. The Koran can be found at http://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/Bible/ together with the rest of the Bible.
It was not my intention to engage in a debate and I don’t have the knowledge or the time to answer all questions. This has already taken up much more time than I thought it would. For the sake of the people that do read this conversation, I did come back and write some more stuff. Thank you for reading, but please read the actual story. If you want to know more – check out the links: http://jahtruth.net and http://www.thewayhomeorfacethefire.info There is lots of useful information there and many reasonable questions are answered there.
Someone is probably going to come in and declare himself the “winner of the comments” after I leave…again… They’ll probably claim that I left because I can’t contend with the bold genius that shines through their comments. Whoever is tempted to do it – wake up to reality, Satan has you fooled and you’re singing to his tune. I have more important things to do than argue with people on the Internet especially about things that I don’t know or care about and I can’t monitor this site 24/7 to promptly answer any questions that people that hate me might have.
“I have more important things to do than argue with people on the Internet especially about things that I don’t know or care about and I can’t monitor this site 24/7 to promptly answer any questions that people that hate me might have.”
If you have something more important to discuss than the matters of the written Word, then by all means – take your passage and see to them.
If you advocate for the authenticity of the Koran, then you at the same time deny that our Father in Heaven sent His only begotten Son to become the perfect Sacrifice of atonement for the sin of the world. If the Koran is true, then the Scriptures are false. There are no two ways about this.
The two books are mutually exclusive. Only one can be true. Islam says that the Bible has been changed over the millennia. However, with the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls we have been granted evidence that this claim of Islam is NOT TRUE. The Scriptures have NOT been changed. They have been protected and they have been transmitted to us over the millennia intact enough to convey the message of Salvation for the men and women of this world. The Koran denies the message of the Scriptures. The Koran denies the Word of YHWH Elohim Most High. The Koran denies that the Messiah Yehoshua is the Son of our Father in Heaven and the Koran denies that He was given as the perfect sacrifice of atonement for the sins man.
The Koran seeks to bring the message of the Scriptures to naught. The Koran seeks to erase the Bible.
Do not feel constrained for time Mr Ranger this thread/blog will await your return, or, you will easily find many more like it whereby you can continue to defend what you think you know. In the mean time here is a modest yet biased opinion of this “religion of peace”.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Good day Sir.
Obama’s a demon of Islam, aka the Antichrist.
The Antichrist Obama is revealed.
Check this out.
Heckler Yells “Obama You Antichrist”
/opinion-conservative/2012/12/heckler-yells-obama-you-antichrist-2549720.html
@ SlaveryRanger
“Answering questions and explaining things is not my responsibility.”
Really, then do us all a favour and go away and don’t forget to tear out the pages of the Koran and take them to the toilet where you will make a saving on toilet paper. LOL
” Who doesn’t know the story of Lucifer and his fallen angels?”
No where in the bible does it claim that Lucifer is a fallen angel. Lucifer = the bright morning star, Venus. I think everyone would know about it if it fell by the fact it was missing from our solar system.
“I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright morning star.” – Jesus, (Rev. 22:16)
According to the bible Jesus = Lucifer.
“The BIBLE stands for Basic Instruction Before Leaving Earth”. Actually it was created in the dark ages, bought and paid for by the worst insane despot the world has ever know, that would make 10 Hitler’s put together look like a pussy cat… Roman emperor Constantine. When the bible says it was inspired by god, that is who they meant.
All this proves is how uneducated Christians are on their own religion. But I guess with it’s appalling historical track record of committing every atrocity possible against humanity, I don’t blame them for trying to ignore it. About the only way to carry on believing such utter tripe is to live a life of total denial of reality.
“I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright morning star.” – Jesus, (Rev. 22:16)
Bearing in mind that Revelation/Apocalypse is Greek in origin and referring to Greek astrology.
The root of David = Israel = the three male solar deities of the Semites (aspects of the sun, min., max. and balanced activities) = osirIS + Ra + El.
The offspring of David = Jesus = christ = enlightenment = revelation/apocalypse.
The root of the bright morning star = the female aspect = dusk and dawn the daughters/wives of the sun god El, (Asherah and Rhomerah) created by sunlight.
The offspring of the bright morning star = reflected sunlight = Jesus = christ = enlightenment = revelation/apocalypse.
The whole thing is allegorically describing basic solar astrology. Ref: the ancient story of El of the Elohim, El and his two goddess daughter/wives, dusk and dawn. Light creates illumination and life when combined with the feminine Earth.
The usual satanic astrology crap from Pix.
The ‘son of the morning’ reference in Isaiah 14 is symbolism for Adam, and to no one else.
yes.pix doesn’t recognize antichrist obama.
he’s heathen.
Here are three translations of the verses in the Koran which treat of the Crucifixion of the Messiah. The argument that these verses are saying merely that Messiah’s body ONLY was crucified, and not His Spirit (which is a brand new argument), holds NO water at all. These verses are clear.
Ahmed Raza Khan: Mohammed Aqib Qadri:
And because they said, “We have killed the Messiah, Eisa the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah” they did not slay him nor did they crucify him, but a look-alike was created for them; and those who disagree concerning it are in doubt about it; they know nothing of it, except the following of assumptions; and without doubt, they did not kill him.
Yusuf Ali:
That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Pickthal:
And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah’s messenger – they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.
FreedomRanger:
Your final comments about people on this board hating you is just silly. There’s no hatred for you at all. You forget that no one even knows who you are. You’re just a screen name with a personality and an opinion, as are all posters on this board. This is a dialogue (if not a very animated one) between opposing viewpoints — nothing more. You really should avoid letting this be about you at all. It’s not. It’s about all of us.
I hope you do not flee the website because of our exchange.
I appreciate everyone reading this article. Hopefully, you will use Father’s voice to guide you.
My article is written in simple, plain English, no dictionary required. It reflects truth I found and wanted to share with others. It is not mainstream Christianity. I am glad people are thinking. I want people to think.
I’m not sure why Jesus Christ is being called Yashua Anointed, as if that’s His new name, which it is not. It sounds like someone has created a cult of some kind, “re-naming” things, but I know Satan (or Lucifer) loves to rename things and make things as complicated as he can to boggle our minds. God is simple that even a babe could understand Him and His Way. When referring to Jesus Christ, why can’t we just say Christ, Lord or Master as these are what He was called. He is the only one who Mastered life here.
Becoming like Christ requires so much humility, faith, and obedience to Father. It does not require mind-boggling semantic work, which is some of what my next upcoming article is about.
Father said seek and you will find. God bless you.
“When referring to Jesus Christ, why can’t we just say Christ, Lord or Master as these are what He was called.”
Satan gets up even earlier than you think. A change HAS been made. It was made a long time ago. Are you truly of the persuasion that the Hebrew Messiah, born in the land of Bethlehem in the lower Kingdom of Judah, was actually given a Greek name and a pagan title? No. He was not. His Name was then, and is now, Yehoshua (Y’shua) – which in English would be Joshua. The leader of the Israelites after Moses had the same name. His name was spelled identically to the Messiah’s name. Yet somehow, are we supposed to believe that in one case the name translates to Joshua in the English, and in the other case it translates to Jesus? Not so. Study the etymology of the pagan term ‘Christ’. Yehoshua was not a ‘Christ’ – He was a ‘Mashiach’ in the Hebrew – which translates as the Anointed AND the Anointer. The word is Messiah – not ‘Christ’. Names are VERY important to our Father and His Son. ‘God’ and ‘Lord’ are also pagan terms. When folks go to the trouble to RESTORE the Names of the Father and the Son, why is there a problem with this? The argument that ‘Jesus’ is the Messiah’s actual name is not an argument that deserves to be given much consideration. His name WAS NOT ‘Jesus’ then, and His name is not ‘Jesus’ now. These are facts. This has nothing to do with opinion. Look into the matter for yourself.
The traditions we have become familiar with need to be reassessed and thoroughly examined in every case. If you are at all familiar with the Bible, then you know what little respect Messiah had for our traditions and for the traditions of our fathers.
@ Hannah Michaels Mayhem Dib – the multifaceted demon.
“I appreciate everyone reading this article. Hopefully, you will use Father’s voice to guide you.”
Interesting, when are you going to show that The Father’s voice is guiding you, for I see no evidence of it thus far.
All I see is satanic, Judaising, evil, vile blasphemies like this:
“Becoming like Christ requires so much humility, faith, and obedience to Father. It does not require mind-boggling semantic work, which is some of what my next upcoming article is about.”
I can’t wait to shred your next article, Dib, it will be like peeling bananas. LOL
ALL cult’s have leaders – I am not a leader and I have no following.
There is no escape for you here Dib. Wherever you go I will expose you for the satanic evil fraud and snake in the grass that you are.
Stop pretending to be insane Crosby.
You’re not stupid enough to actually believe this noise you are making.
How did you type that comment without engaging your brain? LOL
What happened to slaveryranger? Did he run out of blasphemies or did someone catch him kissing the Koran like the pope does? LOL
I found religion to be unauthenticated. So I went to a hill before and after work asking God to come to me. Asking for him to take away my nature and give me a new one, His. For this living Water I read about to be given and Jesus to show Himself to me as the bible said in John 14:21. I gave God forty night and days of persistent reading of the new testament and parts of the Old, but mostly the new, reading it cover to cover. About three fourths of the way through, roughly four weeks into my pursuit, i awoke with a bliss in me unlike anything i had ever felt on earth. That night Jesus came to visit in a dream, then again, then again, then.. well, visions came. Jesus literally gave me His Spirit and I was no longer alone. I had a whole new perception, feelings, it was the most amazing thing ever. And God showed me heaven, hell, angels, Jesus and much MUCH more. Now, Jesus tells me to tell people to ask for the living water and spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9, 2 Cor 13:5) Many years I believed passionately in Jesus, but refused to admit I did not have the Spirit of Christ, kept sinning and living in guilt and forgiveness. We have to wait for John 14:21, John 17:20-26 to literally happen while not loving the world or anything in it as we do. Suffering and waiting on Jesus and not turning our attention to life, pleasure, etc. Waiting until kingdom come and Jesus come to us, seek his righteousness and his kingdom, it says.
This is my testimony on my channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeiLG-7k6dw&list=UUC6roi6lJv6JOzkOt94JEtg&index=1
Perfect article well written except for Jesus…Immanuel guys get it right..
Are you not forgeting something? John 3:16.
OK read enough guys, You search the scriptures br=ecause you think thell give you eternal life. Right?? then why quote em… Faith without works is dead huh?? now, If you dont obey the 10 commandments (all of em) dont bother preaching… take the plank out of your own eye first then reach out to help your fellow man. Put the stones down guys, you know you dont even obey the commandments, lying, coveting, especially sabbath (fri nite till Sat nite) adultry, honoring your parents, stealing, murder and idolotry even placing false gods above the real one… Cmon..talk is cheap. None of you are righeous and yes I am a priest I do the above and dont get paid for it. Please repent obey the commandments in their entirety and follow the living god. stop with the dissent huh??
OK read enough guys, You search the scriptures brecause you think thell give you eternal life. Right?? then why quote em… Faith without works is dead huh?? now, If you dont obey the 10 commandments (all of em) dont bother preaching… take the plank out of your own eye first then reach out to help your fellow man. Put the stones down guys, you know you dont even obey the commandments, lying, coveting, especially sabbath (fri nite till Sat nite) adultry, honoring your parents, stealing, murder and idolotry even placing false gods above the real one… Cmon..talk is cheap. None of you are righeous and yes I am a priest I do the above and dont get paid for it. Please repent obey the commandments in their entirety and follow the living god. stop with the dissent huh??
OK read enough guys, You search the scriptures brecause you think thell give you eternal life. Right?? then why quote em… Faith without works is dead huh?? now, If you dont obey the 10 commandments (all of em) dont bother preaching… take the plank out of your own eye first then reach out to help your fellow man. Put the stones down guys, you know you dont even obey the commandments, lying, coveting, especially sabbath (fri nite till Sat nite) adultry, honoring your parents, stealing, murder and idolotry even placing false gods above the real one… Cmon..talk is cheap. None of you are righeous and yes I am a priest I do the above and dont get paid for it. Please repent obey the commandments in their entirety and follow the living god. stop with the dissent huh?? When the son comes will he really find faith on earth?? NOPE
We read Isaiah 14:12-17
Fall of Lucifer
12
“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,[c] son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13
For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
15
Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.
16
“Those who see you will gaze at you,
And consider you, saying:
‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble,
Who shook kingdoms,
17
Who made the world as a wilderness
And destroyed its cities,
Who did not open the house of his prisoners?’
now you will see that Lucifer can not be satan, first Lucifer knew truth, satan never did. In verse 16 it says Lucifer is a man. Adam’s carnality caused their fall. they fell from the grace of God by disobeying God. If you look further Adam is actually a name for mankind [male and female]. Lucifer was a man’s name. He was also a cherub. In Ezekiel 28: 12-16, we read of another cherub who was in the garden full of beauty and perfect. This one was in the Garden of Eden, who was in the Garden of Eden? Adam [mankind]. Don’t take my word for it search it out people.
Please read as much of this as possible and pray at the end of this message the prayer i ask… please… Amen.
John 17:5 “And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.”
Messiah is creating a Holy people to give as a present to His Father. We must be perfected in life, not a single spot will be acceptable, nothing is impossible for those who believe — the will of the Father is this: BE PERFECT AS MY FATHER IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT.
Aim for perfection, said Yeshua. My calling was when i decided to fast unto death due to being not able to do this “be perfect” — so if the hand causes you to sin, cut it off… well my brain was my hand which caused me to sin so i stopped feeding it, etc… and Messiah came to me soon after my decision to fast unto either perfection or until He takes me to heaven. I was done hurting Him on earth, true love is never having to say you are sorry again.
Funny thing happened, Yeshua appeared to me awake, the sky opened one day as i was reading in the forest. He was like lightening, came down from above and right to me face to face. I felt all of Yahweh’s love emanating through Messiah to me… I felt power come from Himself into me, head to toe, as he stood me up and stretched me out and superimposed himself into me, His image unto my Spirit…. just as Elijah and Peter stretched themselves upon the dead boy and girl they were resurrecting from the dead. Except Yeshua stood me up to do this.
I do not say I am perfect… I say right now, He is perfect in me but I can slip any time and must beat this body down to keep my crown. IF I sin he is just and will forgive me.
Until Messiah appears to you you cannot be perfected nor have the power to do it.
1 John 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
1 John 5:18 We know that the person who has been born from God does not go on sinning. Rather, the Son of God protects them, and the evil one cannot harm them.
Please do not fear asking Yeshua for visions and dreams.
2 Cor 12:1 “Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord.”
Please ask Yeshua today if what I am telling you is truth, yes we ask Yeshua in prayer in His own name and thank the Father.
Don’t be afraid, this is for you!
John 14:12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
(WE CAN ASK HIM FOR ANYTHING IN HIS NAME AND HE WILL DO IT SO THE FATHER RECEIVES GLORY IN THE SON>)
IF you say Heavenly Father you must be talking to Yeshua. “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.” HE is not the Father, He is to be honored JUST AS THE FATHER IS.
John 5:23 “That all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.”
1 John 3:2 “Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that >>> when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. 3 All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.”<<<
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him."
HE MUST APPEAR TO YOU TO GIVE YOU THIS SUPERNATURAL POWER.
1 John 4:17 This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus.
My request is for all of us to pray about this, even if you ask the Father of Yeshua in Yeshua's name, he will answer you… but why not just ask Yeshua and call Yeshua your Father?
"All things have been committed unto the Son."
Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
I also had the Father come to me as Spirit through a expanse that opened in my bedroom wide awake with three angels as His love and Kingdom flooded my room making it as the throne-room itself in glory and power.
This was quite the amazing experience. Yeshua also said to me that I am not MORE special than anyone else on earth…. that I was persistent and willing to fast until i was made perfect or left the earth to go to Him. Moses fasted 40 days without food or water twice.
Yeshua fasted 40 days. Elijah as well. Yeshua said to do as He did. Do you think you can believe that if you fast and pray for the holiness of Messiah to be given to you so that you can be made ONE as HE is one with the Father?
Sin is not okay not a single evil thought will enter heaven. Not even one. We must bind it here. What is left loose on earth will be left loose in heaven.
Whatever sin you do not cast off your spirit now will be with you for eternity yes we are to seek holiness with trembling and fear as its written.
Its easy for Jesus to do this for you! Its His job, its soooo easy for Jesus to make you perfect…. its impossible for us to be perfect… HE must appear to marry us and give us the power first… all the belief in the world is not able to do this.
"IF you do as I command I will show myself to you." John 14:21
"My Father and I will will come make "our" home with you." John 14:23
Yahweh asked the entire congregation to come to the mountain to see Him but they feared and told Moses to go by himself and this made Yahweh furious! "THEY SHALL NEVER ENTER MY REST" He said… after this.
Do not fear asking Him to appear. I had a person ask about this and they had this dream:
The person was female, she said "I was in New York where I live and was going about my business when an angel appeared and told me 'you are required an audience with the King of Kings.' She said she panicked and did not want to go — she feared her sinful past would be revealed, she was unworthy, she worried about her job, life, family, friends, all the things of this world…. but she had no choice. She said the angel took her by the arm and dragged her unwillingly heading towards the throne where Yeshua sits. She tried to fight and run away but it was impossible…. then she said something intriguing. "All my fears of my sins being exposes, all my worries about life, money, career, friends and family….. all of those things disappeared as soon as I was in front of Yeshua….. I was made perfect and holy just be seeing Him for He cannot gaze at sin and purifies all who come to His throne." She said the very fears she had which stopped her from desiring to see Yeshua were the same fears which were removed after she saw Him… and that unless she saw Him those fears and sins could not be removed.
Moses entered Yahweh's Rest after He saw Him.
I ask only that you pray about this to see a vision or dream and report back to this post what you see, please? Would you please give me this one request as my brothers and sisters?
Would you ask the Father in Yeshua's name or Yeshua Himself as you thank your Abba for one single dream about this testimony being from Heaven and Himself and if so, for Him to show you?
Please? I love you all and I hope the purity of Christ shines upon you, you have no idea how easy it is for Messiah to make you just as He is. And all you have to know is the right knowledge: HE must appear to do this and all you do is hope for his appearing and forsake all works and wait like a child.
You can study ten thousand lifetimes …. it won't equate to 1/100the of the power you will receive once Messiah appears to you.
ITS RIGHT HERE — the second coming of Yeshua to you personally, the world will not see me but YOU will see me, said Messiah. Now in brackets i give you my interpretation {…}
John 14:19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but YOU WILL SEE ME. Because I live, you also will live. 20 On THAT DAY {not any other day before it but after you see Him} you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
{This next verse nullifies all arguments that this is for the Apostles alone}
22Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?”
23Jesus replied, “ANYONE {Anyone – whosoever} }who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me."
Let your will be done Father on earth as it is in heaven … here on earth as it is in heaven correct?
Revelation 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be on their foreheads.
BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO BELIEVE WITHOUT SEEING… tell me this, can anyone desire this and ask this from Yeshua without first believing in Him?
No…so i declare that everything i have told you is true and that the Father and the Son have sent me to you to ask you to inquire in prayer about this.
Jeremiah 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.
HOPE FOR THE DREAM BEFORE BED LIKE A CHILD WAITING TO OPEN PRESENTS THE DAY BEFORE CHRISTMAS OR A BIRTHDAY.
(DON'T ARGUE ABOUT CHRISTMAS WITH ME NOW IT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE)
Please remember "GIVE To those who ask and do not turn away…" said Messiah..
I ask you now to pray for this dream from Yahweh to be given in Yeshua's name through the power of the Holy Spirit.
LOL! Everybody believes what they have been told or read yet absolutely nobody knows if that information was truth or deception.
yes, they are arguing: who’s nonsense makes more sense…. “it’s easier to fool someone than to convince them that they’ve been fooled”.
can someone PLEASE keep the religious NUTS off of this site?…..
There are things people never even consider about God creating man. He created the body, formed from the dirt of the earth. Then breathed living soul into it and called the creation, Man. When a person dies that body of dirt re-enters the earth from which it came just like everything else on this planet and even throughout the whole universe. But, the soul remains alive. That is a breath of God which will not die. Something else to consider is we are told in the Bible that we will live for an eternity in Heaven if we believe in Jesus(Yashua) but also if we do nt believe we spend eternity in hell. Either way we live for eternity.
I know everyone has heard of the Big Bang. But if you read the scriptures you will find something very amazing. The heavens shall roll up like a scroll. When you open a scroll it is spread out. When the bang happened it was spread out. When the scroll has been opened as far as it can and let go, it rolls back up like it was. Same with the whole universe. Science has said when all inertia has come to the end from the bang it stops and sits there and every star burns out till all is cold and that is it. But! They did not consider the many planets that have gravitational pull that would start the reverse of the bang and draw all things back to the next big bang. Which is the rolling up like a scroll.
After the rolling up there will be a new heavens and a new earth. In other words, a next big bang and everything becomes cleansed in the fire to start again. No one can say how many times this has taken place or how many times it will take place again. I gave this process a name and called it, The Breath Of God!
Everything will be again except the next time everything will be perfected a little more until total perfection. Where you see a tree today, that tree will be there again.You will be reading this again in the next pass as I will be typing it here again for you to read. But, you will not have any memory of it happening before.
When one goes thru the death process you still exist but there is no time involved. Have you ever noticed how when you sleep and dream that you can dream a long dream and when you wake and look at the clock it was like the time it took for the dream did not match up with the time you slept? I fell asleep and had a dream that lasted a week in the dream and when I woke I thought I had gotten a good nights sleep. When I looked at the clock I had only slept for 5 minutes! (Yes. I can go into REM as soon as I fall asleep sometimes. Did that again just yesterday and slept a few seconds but dreamed for what seemed to be about an hour!)
Something I thought of also. When Jesus said destroy this body and I will rise again in 3 days, did anyone ever consider that since a day with the Lord is like a thousands years and a thousand years is like a day? Could Jesus also have used this to say He would return in 3,000 years? Hmmm!
I worded this as best I could for understanding purposes and to be as short as I could.
Zen Garcia of Endeavor Freedom has greatly studied this issue for quite a few years. He has come to the conclusion that there were 4 groups of angels during the angel wars prior to the fall of Lucifer. Two of those groups everyone knows about; the rebel angels and the loyal angels. However, Zen believes there were two additional groups of angels; angels who were sympathetic to the rebel angels, and angels who stood aside and did nothing. According to Zen’s research, we humans fall into one of the two later groups. We were either sympathetic to the rebel angels, or we stood aside as the war raged. Regardless, this life is our last chance to prove that we are loyal to God the Father. Just FYI. I have not studied this subject myself.
he’s talking about those RH negative blood type people that have black eyes like a bird and where sun glasses all the time. I seen them in Missouri