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The Virgin Birth and the Dysfunctional Family Members of Jesus

Wednesday, October 5, 2016 23:16
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Yes, I do admit that the virgin birth is in the Christian Bible.  But all of you ignore why it is spoken of in the Bible. 

Christian’s keep saying Jesus is like us and they might even quote the verse “For this reason he had to be made “Like” them, fully human in every way.  In what ways are humans like others, we all want to or have to eat, sleep, work, marry, have sex, have children, pee, poop and pass gas and have thousands of other commonalities in being human.

“Fully human in every way” negates the need for a virgin birth.  In every way is an all-inclusive statement that doesn’t allow unnatural births or lifestyles (staying single).  Jesus is like us but without sin.  He has no sin nature but He can do everything a married man does because his marriage bed is undefiled because of his marriage commitment to his wife.  His physical body comes from the family tree of Adam and Eve, which makes him fully human.  So God is not having sex with Mary Magdalene but a human Jesus is.  And if Jesus has a child that child will be sinful like the rest of us simply because he has a human created spirit put inside him for the child of Jesus is not a Temple or tabernacle dwelling place of God like Jesus is. 

The Christian leaders before the Protestant Reformation knew that church worker salaries are their main outflow of funds.  And if a priest had a wife and 4 children he will need 2 to 3 times more money to support his family.  Keeping Jesus single and asking priest to “Be like a single Jesus” and stay single will save billions of dollars in operating expenses of the church. 

The law suits against the church proves that the marriage of piety (self-righteous) married to celibacy (sexual purity) is an unholy marriage for everyone knows married males and females are less tempted and find it easier to be more righteous than individual who take the vow of celibacy for any reason.

But let us discuss the real elephant in the room that almost every Christian will ignore.  I am talking about the dysfunctional relationships between Joseph and Mary, Mary and God and Jesus and his 4 brothers and at least 2 sisters.

The Christian God commits adultery against Joseph.  Think about this, God is a “Person” who gets a female pregnant.  So in reality, when one person gets another person’s wife pregnant, that is called adultery.  Not only that but the Christian God is a dead-beat dad, in that God comes down to earth, gets Mary pregnant and then leaves town and lets the step-father raise his child (pretty slick of him). L.O.L.

Joseph and Mary aren’t really married and they have no reason to marry in those 1st 9 months (if they are not having sexual intercourse).  They are young and have raging hormones and desire marriage, companionship, sex, orgasms and children.  They primarily married for sex just like all other teenage and adult males and females do.   No one marries because they love GAWD L.O.L.    

Mary does not love Joseph and Joseph does not love Mary.  If they did, they wouldn’t defraud each other by withholding sex from each other.  A married couple abstaining from sex during marriage is grounds for divorce.  If I had a daughter and she got married and they didn’t have sex for 9 months then the marriage would be annulled and void because you have to engage in sexual intercourse for the marriage to be legitimately consummated before God or man (that is what is “Normal” with humans.

Go to any wedding and at the reception ask the bride who she wants to be the father of her first child (God or her husband).  She and her husband will either laugh or be angry for such a silly question being asked.  She will say if I have a son I want my son to be as handsome and smart as my husband and he will say if I have a daughter I want her to be as pretty and smart as my wife.  These are universal truths and only a mentally handicapped woman would want God to be the father of her child or someone who hates men will want God to get her pregnant.

Neither Joseph nor Mary can tell anyone about God being the father of her child.  Mary would be stoned for adultery if she says that Joseph isn’t the father of her child.  Mary can’t play the virgin birth trump card to validate her conception.  They both would be shamed and the laughing stock in the community and subjected to mockery or ridicule if Joseph isn’t the father of Jesus.

God would cause Joseph and Mary much less pain and emotional suffering (if a virgin birth is necessary) if God just let them get married and pass off the child with Mary and Joseph thinking Joseph is the father of Jesus (that is what the people in their community believe — isn’t this the child of Joseph and Mary).  

Gabriel appears to come across as a male chauvinist to Mary.  He says to her “You will be with child”.  He doesn’t ask her if she wants God to get her pregnant (this is an abnormal illogical request for a married woman) who is supposed to be in love with her husband. 

The parents and grandparents of Joseph and Mary want Joseph to be the father of their grandchildren and great grandchildren.  Joseph and Mary found favor before God because they had the same faith of their forefathers and mothers.  Their faith made them righteous before God and a virgin birth is of no importance concerning righteousness or being faithful before God or humans.  God promotes the ideal, that all males and females are to be virgins when they marry (not just the female).

All the women in Mary and Joseph’s family would shame Mary and be angry with her if they knew she was practicing celibacy in marriage (a very evil and unloving response to her husband).  Brothers in both families would laugh and make fun of Joseph if he said he is not sexual intimate with his wife (forever— as some Catholics teach) (or for the first 9 months—as Protestants teach).

People started worshiping Jesus after he turned 30 and not before.  His family said he is out of his mind (a lunatic) for saying what he said.  Jesus appeared to James his brother after his resurrection.  It would be very normal for the parents of Jesus to love Jesus more than their other children, simply because he was perfect, and I think James was the most hurt because Jesus appeared to his brother James after the resurrection (for he was too angry to believe or have faith in Jesus) without that visit to calm his hurts.

Jesus said, destroy this temple and in 3 days I will raise it up.  Jesus is a Temple or tabernacle not made with hands.  God dwells in that temple of flesh and no one can harm Jesus in any way.  When the oxen stumbled, Uzzah died when he touched the Ark of the Covenant for he wanted to steady and protect the Ark of the Covenant.  In that experience, God was saying that God doesn’t need any human intervention to protect God from any circumstances or mishaps in life. 

In the same way, God’s dwelling in the Most Holy Place in this “Temple of flesh” (not made with hands) we call Jesus.  God doesn’t need any help protecting Jesus from any harm (spiritual, emotional or physical for sin cannot be transmitted into his body or affect Jesus in any way).  God can move us humans out of a certain place in order to protect us.  But God residing inside Jesus doesn’t have that same problem because God can protect His human Temple without human intervention.  Jesus being the offspring of Joseph and Mary doesn’t make Jesus sinful. 

Jesus getting married and having a child doesn’t make Jesus sinful (probably Barabbas, who celebrated his bar mitzvah at 13.  Pharisee’s and Roman soldiers told Jesus to turn himself in or the son of Jesus will be crucified instead of Jesus.  Jesus and his wife love their son and it would be very logical for Jesus to take his place even though his son wasn’t guilty of insurgence, murder, robbery or any other criminal activity, just the religious leaders hiding the fact that Jesus had a son. 

Lazarus had 2 sisters Martha and Mary of Bethany (probably Mary Magdalene a righteous woman of whom Jesus married.  Before the Protestant Reformation, the church leaders demonized Mary Magdalene because they didn’t want anyone to know that Jesus was married and had a child or children by her.  When Christ the Messiah sets up His kingdom on earth then we will meet his wife and any children.


Sinful humans trying to protect Jesus

I know you believe in the future when God sets up his kingdom on earth and that everyone will be separated from his or her sin nature.  Our sins will be separated from us as far as the east is from the west.  Since God has the power to cleanse and protect us from dealing with sin in the future, then that same loving God has the power to protect Jesus from the human sin natures of Joseph and Mary.

The three Jewish youths Hanania, Mishael, and Azaria were thrown into a blazing furnace but God protected them from the deadly transfer of heat that would normally cremate their bodies.  “No harm” came to them or their clothes and they were perfectly comfortable in the furnace.  They probably didn’t even sweat in the furnace because God could keep their skin cool or cold if He wanted to.

There are no harmful bacteria’s, germs, viruses, parasites and especially no spiritual sinfulness that can be transmitted into the being and body of Jesus.  Why?  Because the same God who eliminates sin from our lives in the future, had that same kind of power 2,000 years ago.

This is a prelude action in the past showing that God’s protection of Jesus manifests the realness of God’s Glory and Power in protecting Jesus at conception onward with no possibility for sin to be where God doesn’t want it (in the body and spirit of Jesus where God makes His abode in a house of flesh) and this same protection is transferred to the rest of humanity at a future time.

In this sinful world God is either causing or allowing things to happen.  God will quarantine sin and keep it away from touching us in any way in our future existence; just like He quarantined the sins of Joseph and Mary so that them being the mother and father of Jesus could never tarnish the righteousness of God or the 100 % human Temple of Jesus


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  • Mayhem

    What heresy is this? I mean Elizabeth didn’t hear it from Mary, to be sure, but knew that she was to be the mother of Jesus (Luke 1:39-44) all the same. And as for everyone else finding out well Mary sang a song about it (Luke 1:46-55) and yet wasn’t stoned for adultery.

    As for where you said…

    “Jesus and his wife love their son”

    … can you support either claim with evidence or is logic all that is required in order to discard scripture entirely? In other words citations needed and there’s US10,000 on the table if you can come up with such.

  • Damien

    The Christian leaders before the Protestant Reformation knew that church worker salaries are their main outflow of funds. And if a priest had a wife and 4 children he will need 2 to 3 times more money to support his family. Keeping Jesus single and asking priest to “Be like a single Jesus” and stay single will save billions of dollars in operating expenses of the church.


    Still SPEED LAITING to your fantasy illiterate peasants Arthur? If Jeebus drove a car … would it have a GayTheist fish couple bumper sticker?

  • The Watcher

    The father of Jesus was a Roman soldier who raped Mary, so Jesus was nothing but another regular human being. 80% of the bible is FALSE! There is NO HELL! EVERYBODY goes to Heaven! Even Stalin and Hitler went to Heaven! NO RELIGION is necessary! There is NO JUDGEMENT, except for yourself, but you will still ALWAYS go to Heaven! Don’t worry, be happy!

    • Mayhem

      Citation needed.

      • Damien

        Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera (c. 22 BC – AD 40) was a Roman soldier whose tombstone was found in Bingerbrück, Germany, in 1859.

        A historical connection from this soldier to Jesus of Nazareth has been hypothesized by James Tabor, based on the claim of the ancient Greek philosopher Celsus, who, according to Christian writer Origen in his Contra Celsum (“Against Celsus”) (Greek Κατὰ Κέλσου, Kata Kelsou; Latin Contra Celsum), was the author of an anti-Christian work titled ‘The True Word’ (Greek Λόγος Ἀληθής, Logos Alēthēs).

        Celsus’ work was lost, but in Origen’s account of it Jesus was depicted as the result of an affair between his mother Mary and a Roman soldier. He said she was “convicted of adultery and had a child by a certain soldier named Panthera”.[1] Tiberius Pantera could have been serving in the region at the time of Jesus’s conception.[1] Both the ancient Talmud and medieval Jewish writings and sayings reinforced this notion, referring to Jesus as “Yeshu ben Pantera” (Jesus, son of Pantera).

        This account is also given some credence by the passage in the Gospel of Mark when Jesus announces in the Nazarene synagogue that he is the prophesied Anointed One (the Jewish Messiah, the King of Israel who would redeem the nation from bondage. An astonished neighbor asks, “Is this not the carpenter, son of Maryam and brother of Yacob, and Yosef and Yehudah and Shimeon, and are not his sisters here with us?” And they were suspicious of him.” (Mark 6:3, Aramaic Bible in Plain English translation). In Jewish custom of the time, a man was always referred to as the son (‘bar” or “ben”) of his father. Only if the paternity was in doubt or unknown would he be referred to as son of the mother.

        Although the hypothesis is considered unlikely by mainstream scholars given that there is little other evidence to support the Pantera paternity, outside of the hostile Jewish texts, the chronological time frame of the Pantera tomb does make the proposition a fascinating intellectual curiosity since even the Gospels acknowledge that Joseph was not the father of Jesus.[2][3] But Luke 4:22 All spoke well of him and were amazed at the gracious words that came from his lips. “Isn’t this Joseph’s son?” they asked. Historically, the name Pantera is not unusual and was in use among Roman soldiers.[2][4]

        • Mayhem

          A theory combined with a second hand account and a Bible passage that doesn’t name Jesus father is a credible citation to you?

          Yes Messiah’s father was uncertain, at the time of His announcement, but no Roman soldier was mentioned as an alternative.

          Zip it Damein, you bring nothing to this conversation.

          • Damien

            Betrothment was distinguished from engagement by it being acceptable for the betrothed to have sex before marriage. The reason why it was acceptable was the chance that the betrothed woman would be raped by roman soldiers.

            Abdes, by the way, is a Semitic name meaning ‘servant of God (father presumably).

            So I like most historians am just assuming it was made up and a myth.

            But theres a gravestone.Betrothment was distinguished from engagement by it being acceptable for the betrothed to have sex before marriage. The reason why it was acceptable was the chance that the betrothed woman would be raped by roman soldiers.

            Abdes, by the way, is a Semitic name meaning ‘servant of God (father presumably).

            Pantera basically means chimera (like an angel would be)

            So I like most historians am just assuming it was made up and a mythical twisting of the New Testament.

            But theres a gravestone.

            Christianity has no other extra biblical support.

          • Damien


            I mean DEFINE angel

            Could it simply be some Judean CALLED Angel of the Lord?

            Abdes Pantera (c. 22 BC – AD 40)

            The Lord moves in mysterious ways. :grin:

          • Mayhem

            “Isaiah said THE ALMAH WILL CONCEIVE. An almah is a maiden. But a maiden is not a maiden unless she is a virgin. If she stops being a virgin she also stops being a maiden and becomes either a wife or a whore.”

            “An act of sexual congress between a man and a woman is against the Law of God if the act takes place outside of the bonds of marriage. But Mary was not impregnated through any sexual congress. Mary was impregnated in exactly the same manner we see depicted in Genesis 1:2″

            “And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.”

            “That is how The Light was begotten. The Spirit of God hovered or overshadowed the waters. In the Gospel account, the woman is the waters. The Spirit overshadowed her and the Son of Man was begotten.”

            So sayeth BEEF SUPREME.

          • Mayhem

            Μήδεια said…

            “Betrothment was distinguished from engagement by it being acceptable for the betrothed to have sex before marriage. The reason why it was acceptable was the chance that the betrothed woman would be raped by roman soldiers.”

            … which he got straight from the Talmud.

          • Damien

            7 tenths of the earth is water overshadowed by clouds. Clouds that rain.

            Rain into the earth’s water.

            I think keeping in mind (and maybe even rewatching) Rosemary’s Baby might be helpful to people approaching an uncatholic crisis moment here.

          • Damien

            “An act of sexual congress between a man and a woman is against the Law of God if the act takes place outside of the bonds of marriage.


            Betrothment IS NOT marriage. MARRIAGE laws are NOT in effect and so not violated.

          • Mayhem

            Incorrect: betrothment is marriage before consummation. You’re thinking of “engagement” which is something different.

          • Damien

            You can still marry someone who was not a virgin.

            UNLESS you think that she had to be an eternal virgin obviously.

          • Mayhem

            Why would i think Mary was an eternal virgin given Jesus had siblings?

          • Mayhem

            Two things, Μήδεια, Pantera more accurately equates to genus as opposed to chimera and the Bible requires no extracanonical support.

          • Mayhem

            Yeah, um, snippets of Hollyweird movies on JooTube is my first stop for Biblical exegesis.


          • Damien

            Why would i think Mary was an eternal virgin given Jesus had siblings?

            Because OBVIOUSLY THEN (with eternal virginity in mind as your goal) you might not marry someone.

            And ROMAN Polanski is NOT to be so easily dismissed!

          • Mayhem

            How did this become about me? I was married, to a Catholic, now i’m not, and my one regret was asking a priest for permission.

            Knowing what i know now that particular gent would have been answering the hard questions.

            Smarmy prick that he was.

          • Mayhem

            The director living in exile has what to say that i need to hear?

            Okay, yeah, he married the girl he had sex with while she was a minor, 13 yrs old to be exact, then he dumped her when age caught up with her and got with their adopted daughter.

            Is this the Roman Polanski we’re talking about?

            Dismissed out of hand.

          • Mayhem

            Wait, i’m mixing up my stories. Woody Allen married his adopted daughter after dumping the lead actor from Polanski’s movie. I knew there was a Hollyweird connection there somewhere.

      • Damien

        The heaven stuff is obviously just bog standard libtard BIN posters “Why don’t you all just freaking DIE!” gnosticism pushing gibberish.

        • Mayhem

          Thank you for your heart warming consideration.

        • maxwell

          …You could be standing in the middle of heaven
          as an angel, among equals…
          …and still find something you don’t ‘quite’ agree with.

          • Damien


          • maxwell

            …Μήδεια…We know that Lucifer had the same problem…
            There is only one soul condemned, in the entirety of creation…You know who that is…right?
            …I bet that really makes you proud…don’t it?

    • TRUTHY1

      Sorry to pop your fantasy balloon, but nobody goes to Heaven or Hell until Judgement day. Believers Who Have Died

      13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

      • maxwell

        …truthy1…we’ll have 1000 years to reach out to our brothers and sisters who didn’t make the cut.
        …There’s a real chance to do some work for the Lord…even in the millennium.

  • Louis

    When Christ resurrected from the dead and exited His burial cloth [the Shroud of Turin], He transformed His body into a quantum flash of light which passed through the cloth.

    At Christ’s birth, He exited His Mother’s womb by transferring His infant body into a quantum flash of light, thereby leaving His Mother a pure virgin and placing Himself in His Mother’s arms as a perfectly formed boy-child.

    That was one of the flashes of light which attracted the attention of the night-time shepherds and drew them to the stable where Christ was born.

    The above “article” — if you want to call it that — trashes the account of Christ’s birth and disparages the Holy Family.

    Who — except an idiot — could see any gain in publicly saying such profane and false things?

  • Anonymous

    The Dysfunctional Family Members of Jesus, are CHRISTIANS.

    Jesus who says, ” I AM ” the way, the life and the truth, no additions, no subtractions.

    The nature of man was given by mother nature, the virgin pure, undefiled, dressed in white.

    Hey, guys, lets keep it simple.

    God loves us.

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