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"Very Bad Day" on November 4th—If Not, Then Why Is "This" Happening?

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By Lisa Haven

 

Is a great evil about to befall our nation? The entire world is on edge and senses that something major is about to happen. One would have to be in denial not to see something is right around the corner. Our government has been preparing for years by storing up food, supplies and ammo. Also, emergency red alert tests have been going out like clockwork, not to mention the media blackouts on the topic. What on earth is going on?

Could it be the fact that North Korea now has two satellites orbiting our country that are capable of setting off an EMP attack, at least that is the warning given to us from Peter Vincent Pry, executive director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security and director of the US Nuclear Strategy Forum, who told Joseph Farah’s G2 Bulletin that the satellites can be commanded either to de-orbit and hit a target on the ground or explode at a high altitude to create an EMP effect that would knock out the unprotected U.S. national electrical grid system.

If an EMP were to strike in America, it would shut down life-sustaining critical infrastructures including communications, transportation, finances, oil pipelines, sanitation, food and water distribution, emergency services and more….

In the video below I expose another drill being conducted by MARS and the ARRL in order to prepare for such a disaster. Additionally, I ask the question, “Why is this drill being conducted ‘coincidentally’ on the same day Antifa plans their uprising?” And why is the FEMA director telling everyone to have a “culture of preparedness?” All that and more below…

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http://www.arrl.org/news/communications-interoperability-training-with-amateur-radio-community-set 

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http://www.theorganicprepper.ca/fema-director-urges-americans-to-develop-a-true-culture-of-preparedness-but-no-one-is-listening-09272017

 

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    • Eli the Enduring

      You keep moving the mark and have no credibility. The US will be destroyed in 1 day when God wants it to be destroyed. It will not happen in 2017. I never watch your videos anymore because all you’re doing is being a “star”. You keep guessing wrong.

      • Anonymous

        I see that you were referring to Mystery Babylon, but why couldn’t it fall in 2017?

    • RationalSkeptic

      You can be 125% sure they are guaranteed to be wrong when they come up with a date. Never fails.

    • 2QIK4U

      Where’s the evidence that any satellite is fitted and capable of firing an fully charged eloctromagnetic plasma pulse? Especially a satellite large enough to cover an entire planet or country?

      • 2QIK4U

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        • Man

          pfft evidence… that is fake news

    • The Ferrett

      Yes Eli, CREDIBILITY and her lack thereof. Over the years, she has proven herself wrong on EVERY occasion with presumptive stories like this. A Zio-shill for the usual suspects and always keeping the really important “reveals” and useful stories under wraps.

      A classic Mossad trick is to always infuse some marginal truths with the more important falsehoods. It makes for a far more believable lie. Another Shabbas Goy useful idiot employed full time turning out stories just like this and sourced largely from the main stream media.

      Simply controlled opposition bought and paid for by the . . “chosen”.

    • iamdlogan

      You and all the rest of the internet date setters and global destruction folks have had your run…I dont watch you or them anymore…I just wanted to come on line to tell folks that YOU FOLKS WHO HAVE CRIED WOLF FOR 10 years have had your say…no more…Im tired of your rhetoric and your predictions…Now with that said you have a problem…when the SHTF and I am not watching because of your crying wolf so many times and my family is harmed in any way I will hold you responsible “personally” when I come before the LORD…because of YOUR false PROPHESIES. Take that! And put it where the sun dont shine.

    • truck driver

      Antifa protesters are supposed to attack the police in their proteste on November 4th or something , infowars said something about that

      • dakota

        I’m sure we have our own satellites up there so that we can EMP OURSELVES.

        Right?

    • The Ferrett

      Come on . . . infowars is controlled opposition . .

      • Central Scrutinizer

        WRONG!!!

        Infowars is one very long AmWay commercial. :mrgreen:

    • Everette

      How the hell is Lisa telling people be prepared should something happen on Nov . 4 setting dates . She is telling us what things are coming together that could possibly point at a major event that could hurt America badly . She never said Nov. 4 will be the day we are attacked ! So many people are smoking dope and taking pills and snorting coke that they dont know their butts from a hole in the ground . America is defeatenitly under attack . The last jackass leader of America set you up for the take down . In his beginning they ( family ) even stated they hated America . When he got off the plane there was milatery troops there to greet him and shem also . The jerk sent word out that he didn’t want to see the United States Army troops . Tell them to go behind the plane . But then afterwards the media played it down . What they should have done was yank his and their asses off the plane and shot them on the tarmack . Then the idiot refused to ware the USA flag pin . When America got upset someone in his offices finally talked him into waring it . He was reminded that their Koran tells them to deceive the infidels ( you ) , then once you have gained their trust kill the infidels ( you ) . This bastard by Jim Parks in his doings order 30,000 guilotines from China to behead Americans . 15,000 are in Georgia and 15,000 are in Wyoming according to information I read . What the hell do Muslims do to those who won’t worship their black meteorite rock in Mecca ? Cut their heads off , that what ! Obama is muslim and proof is on the internet with pictures , videos and statements by the bastard ( one born out if wedlock or an affair ) . Those getting upset with Lisa are either Muslims , traitors , Treasonist , Antifa , natzi Vatican ass kissers , or just plain gripers that are never happy with anything anyway . Look at the facts ! Lisa wants you prepared !!! What the hell is wrong being conserned about your well being ??? Because if Americans are not prepared we will be invaded , Taken down from within , and as officials have stated 90% of you will die within the first year because you did not prepare . I had a family menber tell me I am not preparing because it takes away from my pleasure , besides if something does happen I will come to your house and eat up your food and supplies ! Really , and you don’t think that I haven’t prepared for that too ? There is evil in this world and it’s desire is to destroy good , happiness and well being . And the devil is its leader . This being hates humans ! He is jealous of you ! GOD ALMIGHTY made Humans greater than him . He only has a body and spirit , we have a body , soul and spirit like GOD ! We are made in HIS likeness and image . Lisa wants you not to have to suffer from being ignorance of not knowing so she tells you what she is discovering . The Bible tells us to warn the people so that when they stand before GOD they are without excuse . GOD said HE has already put in our hearts that HE exists and we are without excuses anyway . Our telling and warning is only seeking your good and well being . It is not to star as some actor wanting people’s admiration . What does she get paid for doing this ? I don’t see her begging for money . She does tell you about a company that she deals with that can supply foods and services . Stop and think our government stole our tax dollars by the trillions and dug holes in the ground to make tunnels and underground cities and stock it with food , water , ammo and supplies , one must ask why ? What was there purpose ? What do they know that we don’t ? What are they PREPARING FOR ??? Our own people that we sent to Washington have deceived us and used us to PREPARE for themselves a way out of something . What is that SOMETHING THEY HAVE PREPARED FOR ??? And why have they not warned us about it ? Lisa is trying her best to figure it out and help warn the people by what information she has discovering of dangers that are possibly coming ! I did not see her in this video say this is absolutely going to happen , prepare for it and here is the date ! GOD told Isaiah go and warn the people danger is coming . Then GOD told Isaiah that when you tell them in seeing that will not see , in hearing they will not hear , but go tell them anyway . Isaiah ask why tell them then ? Let it happen . In GOD defense those told can not point their figures at GOD and say you never warned me . But HE did when HE layed out the laws that were to be followed ! We already know what is right and wrong . If we choose right then we will have GODs approval , if we choose wrong then we are on our on to face what the devil’s desires are to do to us . GOD told Isaiah in the end there will be about 10% that will be won over . Look at the disappointment Isaiah faced that no one wanted to listen ! But after the enemy ( Babylon ) came in upon them and killed many and took a few to their city to serve them as slaves , those warned remembered and repented ! The 10% finally came back to GOD ! Lisa is concerned with your souls and where you are with GOD ! She knows Babylon is coming ( Vatican NWO – their beginning goes back to Babylon ) . Those that reads GODs words can see we are headed for some destruction . Even Nastradomus said we will be attacked from within . We will suffer greatly . But in the end we will rise and go to Europe to help our fellow brethren fight the Muslim of Islam and take back their country . We will finally push into Israel and defeat them also that have taken over parts of Israel . Then we will go towards Egypt and defeat them in that areas also . Hey ! The Bible even backs up the story ! But we will suffer greatly at first because of those asleep or have strayed into the sins of Babylon ( Vatican NWO ) . Once the take down begins its to late to say I should have prepared or gotten right with GOD ! You may have to watch thugs , gangs , UN troops and Russian troops that are already in America right now , rape your children and Wives . Then you may die afterwards ! Or your family may die ! Jade helm was Obama ‘s way of trying the take down . The troops sent into Texas were UN and Russian troops . Thank GOD Texas stood up to them with their guard and backed them down . Obama told them you committed Treason for disobeying a federal operation of troops to do their jobs . No sir Obama ! You have committed Treason allowing foreign troops into America and trying to disarm its citizens said the Governor of Texas . Obama backed down ! We are trying to prepare you because we know this is what the enemy wants and this is what we want you prepared for ! Hitler disarmed the people then committed mass murder of the people he disarmed . So try to look at the bigger picture Lisa is trying to give to you instead of finding faults with any and everything she is trying to save you from ! And I don’t care , Is a Lie . You don’t want to die or suffer what the enemy has for you ! If you do , you would have already taken care of it and be in the grave yard ! So don’t give me that hog wash ! Try to understand why she is trying to save you from the suffering headed your way . Do as your representatives you sent to Washington have done , PREPARE !!! BE READY !!! That means having your soul right with GOD and have essentials ready to take care of your family . GOD helps those that are trying to be READY and are PREPARING . GOD tells us take note of the ant , it prepares for winter and puts up and stores . But the grasshopper flutters along eating , drinking and being merry with the thoughts let tomorrow take care of itself . When the cold comes and frost bite the crops , the grasshopper becomes hungry and cold . It’s not long until it dies because of lack of PREPARDNESS ! So which one are you like ? When your child says daddy or mom I’m hungry or cold ? Will you be able to take care of their needs ? Or will you hang your head in shame ? Or will you join the gangs to raid and rob those that prepared ? Only to find out that there were some that even prepared for this day also ! GOD said MY people parish for lack of knowledge . If a person does not listen they can increase their knowledge . The signs of the times are in America , we are being attacked from within , the enemy ( Vatican NWO ) is within our gates as are the Russian soldiers and UN troops . The last few presidents since Reagan has been NWO ass kissing negative blood reptilians ! Their executive orders prove they were heading America into destruction ! Now I challenge you do some research on this matter and see for yourselves , we are headed for some ruff roads ahead ! GOD helps those who help themselves . HE even said HE was not going to take care of the sluggards ! The force you put into motion will be the force GOD will give you more power to do ! If you never start a race by taking the first step , how can you expect to cross the finish line ??? Determine your direction , whether right or wrong , you will be given power to follow it to the end . But wrong will always cost you in the end , maybe your family , friends or your own life . Choosing the Right way will lead you to GOD ! So please as we try to warn you at least be interested and search out the truth in our statements . I know a little effort will be needed ! Because we really mean the information for your good and not for your destruction as your enemy desires for you !

    • Ideas Time

      I have been watching this for a long time. NK is not going to take on the west. They are likely paid to play along. It is always about more money for the elite.

    • Ideas Time

      Look for a false flag to kick it all off. The elite are running scared and they can pull off any false flag with support of the dc criminals and the sheep will buy it hook line and sinker.

      • dakota

        Elite NOT running scared!!!!

    • Ideas Time

      Look for a false flag to kick it all off. The elite are running scared and they can pull off any false flag with support of the dc criminals and the sheep will buy it hook line and sinker.

      If someone wants to make a comment learn to space your comments so they can be read and please no Caps!

    • Sue Rosenorn

      The desperate DNC s the one to watch out for. The Deep State wants their NWO now.

    • Funk-nonymous

      If it appears on B4IN, it is 100% guaranteed not to occur.

      November 4th is looking safer by the second.

      Nothing to see here, carry on, click away to other doom porn…

    • The Ferrett

      It’s all much simpler than that Everette. Lisa Haven and the multitude of other bought and paid for Zio shills are employed to largely DISCREDIT the Christian truthers with false and misleading information. So that when nothing actually happens with all these endless prophetic and other reveals” – and in fact nothing actually does – it then confirms in a lot of peoples minds that Christians are full of hot air and the Bible can’t be trusted.

      If you can prove beyond doubt that the Lisa Haven types out there have little or no credibility, then most seekers out there will believe anything and they usually will.

      This is the whole point of jewish fables & dispensational theology especially. Deliberate lies and prophetic distortions that simply CANNOT EVER come to pass – especially teachings concerning the fake nation of Israel masquerading as the real Israel of God.

      It is this that will most certainly lead to the . . great falling away in these end times – deceiving many!

    • The Real Deal

      The fear porn actress is at it again. This ding-a-ling hasn’t been right once in the 11 years I’ve been here.

    • Anonymous

      Lisa, you are so cute, I watch your channel just because I think you are hot.

    • allendaves

      123′s of the most popular & damndable heresies

      #1 “ANOTHER JESUS”:

      “ONE” not triune: Mark 12:28…Which is the first commandment of all? 29. …Hear, O Israel; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD: 30. And ………..this is the first commandment….. 31. And the second is….. IF YOU CAN’T GET THIS “FIRST OF ALL COMMANDMENTS” RIGHT, ALL THE REST OF YOUR “FAITH” AND PREACHING ON LOVE & SIN IS MOOT….. (NOTE: And yes, the specific Greek and Hebrew words used also and only define one person contrary to the ridiculous obfuscation attempts of some!?!)

      PART 4 & 5 HOW MANY GODS ARE THERE FOR THE ONE GOD TO TALK TO?? Who was Jesus praying to??!?…. The real question should be … How does having multiple different persons keep this one God/being/entity from praying to himself?! (The trinitarian “schizophrenic” “god-head”) The Trinitarians want to have their cake and eat it too as the saying goes. On the one hand they need to say they only worship one indivisible God being/ entity but on the other hand they feel the need for some reason to keep Jesus or God from praying and talking to himself by dividing him up into different persons!?! It never occurs to them that that since there is only one indivisible God to pray too and Jesus is that indivisible God come in the flesh that he would need to talk to himself as to show us how to live, suffer, pray and die for our/ flesh) benefit not his!?!….. So while Trinitarians are quick to complain that God was not talking to himself at Christ baptism or in Gen “let us” they ignore the logical demands of their own theology! If Jesus is the ONE GOD in flesh and the Father is the SAME ONE GOD in heaven then Trinitarianism demands THE ONE GOD is talking to HIMSELF! Claiming that God is multiple different persons as the reason for why God is not talking to himself (because God is three different “selfs”) only demonstrates that what they really worship is in fact not a ONE GOD who talks to himself but three different god “selfs”/ and they all talk to each other! When they speak about who God was talking and praying to, they are quick to say “the other person, NOT HIMSELF!” But if you ask them how many gods do they pray to then they will say “ONLY ONE”!?! They expect you to believe that those three different persons are THE ONE GOD-BEING” which is like calling three different cars “THE ONE VEHICLE” (text book examples of prov 26:12)

      PART 6: THE ANTI CHRIST….WHERE? WHERE?….EVERYWHERE!!! …..IT”S YOU O TRINITARIAN! “WHO” it was (what person) that came “IN THE FLESH”, IS THE DETERMINING FACTOR IN WHAT IT MEANS TO BE “ANT-CHRIST”! Even Islam claims Jesus was the Jewish messiah/Christ who was to come in the flesh) they all deny “WHO” it was (what person) that came (to be the Christ) in the flesh!?!…….To deny the father is to deny the son because they are one and the same person that came in the flesh! Trinitarians confess & preach literally …”ANOTHER JESUS” 2 Cor 11:4

      JOHN 14: 8-20 ….[Note Isaiah 9:6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: …: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, … the everlasting Father] ….The son, father/Holy Spirit are all the same person, NOT like two different persons working together even as “one flesh” ….The “oneness” between Christ and the father is not comparable to a man & his wife, for only a fool would say “When you have seen me you have seen my wife, how sayest thou then, Shew us your wife?” Notice they asked to see THE FATHER and the response was Jn 14:9 ..“HAVE I BEEN SO LONG time with you, and yet hast THOU NOT KNOW ME, Philip…..Now image some fool trying to claim that statement if you asked to see his wife!?!!? You want to see the FATHER but have I been with you but you don’t know me!?!?!
      Jn 14 continued….…………..17. Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; (Jn 14:6 I AM the way, THE TRUTH,) whom the world cannot receive, .. for HE DEWLLETH WITH YOU, (present tense/standing next to them in the flesh) and SHALL BE IN YOU… (future tense “In them”) 18. I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU (future tense “In them”) Jesus himself here makes the point that the same person who was the HOLY SPIRIT that would come was standing next to them but lets them know “I will come to you again to be Inside of you”

      The whole point to Gal 3:20.a mediator is NOT A MEDIATOR OF ONE, (HEIS) but GOD IS ONE. (HEIS) again, point blank, identifies the number of persons of God! The “but” points out the contrast between multiple persons in a mediation party v the “one” of God. God is not like a mediation party with multiple different persons. …..”the express image of his person” ( the person of God; singular not plural) Any attempt to lay claim otherwise is willful ignorance and delusional nonsense

      Like a thief in your house caught stealing your things insisting he was not there stealing “I CONFESS I am NOT stealing”. You just do not “properly understand” what he is doing/saying. Further, since you never had a “proper understanding” of what he is doing/saying you have no business accusing him since you do not even know what you are talking about in the first place. It is with and in your own ignorance that you base your “false accusations” & “ad homonym attacks” against him…… Ridiculous of course it is ……2Thess 2:11; Titus 1:16; 2Tim 3:5; TRINITARIANS CONFESS JESUS /THEY ARE NOT POLYTHEIST BUT ARE MONOTHEIST LIKE A LIAR & THIEF WHO “CONFESS” THEY DO NOT LIE OR STEAL The simple fact is that just because you confess or deny that you are in an adulterous relationship and denounce all forms of adultery has nothing to do with whether or not it is in fact adulterous! .. …A rose by any other name is still just a rose AND calling it a water lily does not change the definition of what a water Lilly or a rose is either!…

      This should have given you a hint, harking back to Satan in The garden…God said you will die…Satan comes along and states no you will be more WISE……Today .God said He is one; but Satan’s children come along and say no three is more WISE and humble in the face of God’s grandeur only “a mystery” that can be understood “in faith”. God uses head and right arm to explain the distinctions between father and son.. However, the Trinitarian heretics say to the effect: “NO, that is just a figure of speech, or that is not what God really means. What God is really saying is that God is three different persons”. Fools, hypocrites and blind guides, God said he was One and by your traditions have taken the words of God and made them of no effect, refashioning God into the image of your vain imaginations!

      You can download the complete FREE book from

      https://www.scribd.com/doc/305367608/The-Trinity-Heresy
      OR

      https://www.academia.edu/23463667/THE_TRINITY_HERESY
      OR

      http://www.globethics.net/gtl/10920799

      #2 “ANOTHER GOSPEL”:

      If you ask most people what the Good news or Gospel is they will probably tell you about the virgin birth or Christ death burial and resurrection. This would be rather humorous if it was not so sad considering that for the three and half years of Christ ministry he does not mention hardly ever. However, Christ does spend a lot of time preaching out of the OT scriptures. Now imagine given a report or manual to read and understand, that makes reference to and even quotes other source material and then ignoring that source material when it comes to defining the context and meanings of words in the report or manual you are trying to make sense of. If that seems dysfunctional that is because it is. This is, however, what most people are doing when it comes to understanding sound NT doctrine and or even what the Gospel message of Jesus was. The mystery of the gospel was not the death, burial and resurrection although it is part of it. In fact, death, burial and resurrection was the sign, the only sign, that Jesus gave to validate that the gospel message he was preaching all that time was true……and yet most deny it!?!?!

      The “2nd coming”… “I come quickly” so “Hold fast till i come”… NOT …“in another 2000 years I might be coming soon any time now, so hold fast”!?! …those that deny the second coming of Christ in the war of AD70 (in their lifetime) are practicing a damnable heresy in denying the Lord that bought them ( 2Peter 2:1-2 ;2Tim 4:8/ you cant love an appearing you deny& the context is the 2nd coming not the first)… Mat 7:23..”I NEVER KNEW YOU” …..Mat 10:33. But whosoever shall deny me before men……..sound familiar?…. If I said I am coming to your house in this generation when these things happen but no one knows the day or hour what fool would think I might be coming in 2000 years latter!?!? ..2 Tim 4: 4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be TURNED UNTO FABLES. The “idea”/ doctrine that Jesus has not yet returned but “soon any day now soon” does not just make God out a liar; it is not just ridiculous but makes Christianity a mockery, A pathetic “ship of fools”!?!

      The following example excerpt from Bertrand Russell: sometimes quoted by atheist et al and from his published work “Why I Am Not A Christian”

      Defects in Christ’s Teaching

      Having granted the excellence of these maxims, I come to certain points in which I do not believe that one can grant either the superlative wisdom or the superlative goodness of Christ as depicted in the Gospels; …. I am concerned with Christ as He appears in the Gospels, taking the Gospel narrative as it stands, and there one does find some things that do not seem to be very wise. For one thing, he certainly thought that His second coming would occur in clouds of glory before the death of all the people who were living at that time. There are a great many texts that prove that. He says, for instance, “Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel till the Son of Man be come.” Then he says, “There are some standing here which shall not taste death till the Son of Man comes into His kingdom”; and there are a lot of places where it is quite clear that He believed that His second coming would happen during the lifetime of many then living. That was the belief of His earlier followers, and it was the basis of a good deal of His moral teaching. When He said, “Take no thought for the morrow,” and things of that sort, it was very largely because He thought that the second coming was going to be very soon, and that all ordinary mundane affairs did not count. I have, as a matter of fact, known some Christians who did believe that the second coming was imminent. I knew a parson who frightened his congregation terribly by telling them that the second coming was very imminent indeed, but they were much consoled when they found that he was planting trees in his garden. The early Christians did really believe it, and they did abstain from such things as planting trees in their gardens, because they did accept from Christ the belief that the second coming was imminent. In that respect, clearly He was not so wise as some other people have been, and He was certainly not superlatively wise.

      https://www.scribd.com/doc/305366745/Revelation-the-First-Gospel-of-the-Kingdom
      OR

      http://www.globethics.net/gtl/5455069
      OR

      https://www.academia.edu/23464127/REVELATION_THE_FIRST_GOSPEL_OF_THE_KINGDOM

      Amazon/Barns & Nobel et al
      978-1-4907-0590-3 (SC ISBN)

      #3 God loves everyone; Jesus Died for “you”…… Just “come as you are”

      Does God love you?….”Probably” NOT!….and NO Jesus did not die for everyone!?!……There is a sharp contrast between THREE groups : A. The predestined damned B. the “many” called C. The “Few” Chosen

      Predestination….its true..its all true… God does NOT love everyone:

      Prov 8: 17. I LOVE THEM THAT LOVE ME …………

      1John 5:3. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments:

      (1) “PREDESTINED DAMNED” who were NEVER written in the book of life ………..Rev 17: 8 WHOSE NAMES WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, …as contrasted …EPH 1: 4. According as he hath CHOSEN US in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD

      (2) “MANY CALLED”= ONLY and ALL SAINTS (those who come to Christ) are written in the book of life … Philippians 4:3… ……Rev 21:27; (Only saints are Called and elect; Rom 1:6-7 et al) This is THE CHRUCH and ONLY these can have their names blotted out of the book of life ….….Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and CHURCH of the firstborn … WHICH ………are WRITTEN in heaven,

      (3) THE FEW CHOSEN: Those saints who were alive in group #2 who are now physically dead. They died “faithful” these are the FEW that were chosen faithful…….Rev 3:5. ……; and I
      will not BLOT OUT HIS NAME OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE, (Ps 69:28) …. These are the FEW that are CHOSEN and now that they have died and are saved then “once saved THEY CAN NEVER BE LOST”

      PS: “The world” that God so loved was not the Roman world nor the world of the Maya nor the world you imagined in your head that God specifically told them NOT TO LOVE!?!

      https://www.scribd.com/doc/306868420/Most-True-Christians-Go-to-Hell

      OR

      http://www.globethics.net/gtl/10920800

      OR

      https://www.academia.edu/25217564/Most_True_Christains_Go_to_Hell

      Col 2:12 “……though the operation(work) of God” CAN ANY MAN BE SAVED WITHOUT WORK?

      The thief-baptism-grace& the name-Lord & LT

      “whosoever shall call on THE NAME OF THE LORD shall be saved”

      ………So WHAT “NAME” did you “CALL UPON”?……

      Rev 19:13. .. and HIS NAME IS called THE WORD OF GOD

      Ps 138:2. praise THY NAME … for thou hast magnified THY WORD ABOVE ALL THY NAME -

      NOTE: God placed His “THE WORD” ABOVE all of God’s various NAMEs – and Jesus NAME IS called “THE WORD” no other name saves. The MOST important name we should KNOW and CALL UPON is “THE WORD”; Not letters that spell “word” but the sayings/ doctrine/commands. It does NOT say “thy word is given a name above other names because here THY WORD is identified as the name that is placed above all other names.

      Isaiah 52:1. . 6. Therefore MY PEOPLE SHALL KNOW MY NAME: ..What NAME do you “KNOW”.?

      1Jn 2:3. And HEREBY WE DO KNOW that we KNOW HIM, if we KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS./ Titus 1: 16. They profess that THEY KNOW God; but IN WORKS THEY DENY him…

      “AT the name OF JESUS”…..Jesus has a name that belongs to Jesus…just like the name OF GOD means a name that belongs to GOD but it is ridiculous to suggest that the letters G-O-D is that name…likewise the name OF JESUS is NOT the letters J-E-S-U-S. Why would anyone think that you could pronounce THE HIGHEST NAME OF GOD letter by letter…. (ie Judges 13:18; 2Cor 12:4 but God’s name is not as great and or “unspeakable )

      Rev 3:8 kept MY WORD, and hast not DENIED MY NAME; …

      .Jn 17:6. I have MANIFESTED THY NAME And they have KEPT THY WORD.;

      THE WORD is THE NAME above every name that saves us 1Pt 3:21 The ONE baptism(Eph 4:5) is into THE WORD ( which is also baptism in the Holy spirit Jn 6:63the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit ) ..ALL the sayings doctrines and commands….what did THE WORD that became flesh command? (Mat 28:19)…..what did THE WORD exemplify? (Mat 3:15/ Jn 4:1)………among other things…..YES .water baptism is just as essential and necessary for much a part of salvation (1Pt 3:21) as is keeping one self away from works of the flesh (Gal 5:21)….In fact obedience to the command of water baptism is specifically identified as the act of calling on the name of the Lord (Col 2:12 “……though the operation[work] of God” CAN ANY MAN BE SAVED WITHOUT GOD WORKING ON HIM?) …..THE WORD OF GOD is the name of God that men call upon OR…OR ..they DENY with their disobedience

      The scriptures tell us almost nothing about the thief’s life. However, the scriptures tell us a great deal about Christ life……Jesus had been around for 3.5 years before the cross and was Baptizing (Jn 4:1-2 in fact He instructed his disciples to do so and did many more then John the Baptist ever did) …..Those who try to appeal to the thief on the cross assume the thief had never heard of Jesus preaching and had never ever been baptized….The burden of Proof is on those who say baptism is not essential! ………..You can’t claim a logically valid “non-essentiality” doctrinal argument on ANYTHING based on what the scriptures do not say and in spite of the things it clearly does state to the opposite effect!…That is like looking at the constitutional law and then basing a argument against a constitutional principle in law based on the fact that history did not record for us what some unknown cattle thief did or did not do a 150 years ago?!?! What??..Who cares?? We know what the constitution did say 150 years ago. I don’t know of any Law school that bases its teaching on constitutional law based on what history does not tell us about unknown cattle thieves!?! ..Jesus command, preached & practiced Baptism so did the apostles ….To build one’s theology on the fact that the scriptures do not tell us ANY detail(s) of the thief’s life before the cross (we know almost absolutely nothing about the thief!!) it is quite foolish and willfully ignorant of what the scriptures do say about baptism…….so those who try to use the thief are in effect building their house on the sand of what scriptures do not say about a thief in spite of what the scriptures do specifically tell us about baptism!?!… “Their damnation is just” comes to mind…

      https://www.scribd.com/document/326686356/Thief-Cross-3D OR https://www.academia.edu/23846490/Thief_and_Cross_3D

      Assertions and descriptions no matter how vivid and or emphatically employed demonstrate nothing.

    • iamdlogan

      To some of you here! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqSTXuJeTks
      Just saying.

    • Canderson

      Not at all. an ordinary day in “little” hell, our reality. (your I see)

      • Canderson

        Wait I got some more, call the authorities Ha Ha Ha!

        • Canderson

          Return to basics, fight the ill used technology, before it can even bloom.

          • Canderson

            Make them, not follow. / (2) One is to diminish them. One is to go the other way an end up cracking their skulls.

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