God Brags, “Declaring the End from the Beginning”? Six Impending Events from the Book of Genesis
Summary: The Bible has a chiastic structure, like a chasm—we crawl into it on one side and up out of it with events in a mirror image of the way in. This article looks at how God “declares the end from the beginning” (Isaiah 46:10) from the book of beginnings—Genesis reversed. Six events are impending.
1. Genesis ends with God’s people in Egypt where they went in a time of famine. Early Americans came here in a time of famine for the Word of God seeking freedom from an oppressive medieval church. God used Joseph to spare Egypt but another Pharaoh came who knew not Joseph and he put Israel into bondage. God used Jefferson and Washington to found America, but another king in the White House doesn’t know Jefferson. America is headed into bondage as Israel in Genesis/Exodus.
2. God sent plagues on Egypt and the link at the end of this article shows a parallel for the US. The purpose was to free Israel to leave and become God’s kingdom by a covenant they made at Sinai, Exod 19:5,6. In reversing the events of Genesis, Israel went back to the Promised Land and doing so in our time is implied for Christians as well as Jews for those who understand the New Covenant in Ezekiel 36:24-28 and the dry bones and two sticks of Ezekiel 37:16,17,22. Christians are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise of land. Gal 3:29. It’s safe haven during New World Order v Rev 13:15.
3. In Genesis22, a ram spared Abraham’s sacrifice of Isaac and since the Bible explains itself, in Daniel 8, we find a ram is sacrificed in a vision that is “at the time of the end.” The horns on the ram are said to be the kings of Media and Persia, but today those areas are Iraq and Iran. It suggests that radical Islam will be sacrificed to spared Isaac (representing Israel, his son whose name was changed.)
4. In Genesis 11, the Tower of Babel was built to ensure safety against another Flood. Is it merely a coincidence that the European Union has chosen the Tower of Babel as their poster with the message, Europe: Many Tongues, One Voice. New World Order is the same idea; a forced world dominion.
5. “As in the days of Noah” when the Flood was the greatest loss of life in history, we see a forecast of another huge event—possibly the Flood typified the plagues that will destroy many. Paul wrote that “the day of the Lord shall so come as a thief in the night, for when they shall say, ‘Peace and safety,’ sudden destruction comes on them,” 1Thessalonians 5:1-6.
6. The final event in this reverse chiasm (going backward through Genesis) is the garden of Paradise, seen also in Revelation 21,22 where there will be no more sorrow, sickness or death. It sounds incredible but we have examined an array of ways that God as Creator encoded information of relevance to the most pressing questions of mankind—Where did we come from? Where are we going? Is there life after death? Will there be an end to war? Do we matter? What is the nature of God and His kingdom? The answers to these and the most important issues in life are found in the Bible in plain text without needing to be uncoded.
http://www.activistpost.com/2014/07/the-ten-plagues-that-are-hitting.html further supports the parallel with Egypt.
Dr. Richard Ruhling’s special interest has been Bible prophecy. His ebook, Exodus 2, is available at http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EN63UR2 and just as the first plague in Egypt attacked their god, the Nile, Ruhling believes the first trumpet plague of Rev 8:7 will attack our god with Economic Collapse, maybe this September, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LUAYHQM
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interesting article, you raise a lot of questions, but no answers, what if there is no rhyme or reason to anything, what if all that is, is just that.. all that there is, with no answers.
Thank you for your comments. While it may seem like God is absentee landlord, I think His “declaring the end from the beginning” is so we can know that His side will win and we can plan our part on the stage as end-times arrive. If we see the US having a dozen parallels to Egypt, then we can look forward to Exodus 2, for example. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EN63UR2
Let God speak for himself. Thanks to Ezra politics the beginning and end of Genesis do not match up. Political correctness of then warring factions. Do not teach unless you really know.
We might not know all the particulars, but the Bible supports the main points of this article. For example, both Daniel and John were in captivity when their books, Daniel and Revelation began. The idea of returning to the land of the covenant is supported by the context of the New Covenant Promise, both in Ezekiel 36:24-28 and Jeremiah 31:8,16,17,31. The sacrifice of a ram for militant Islam is supported by Gabriel’s saying the vision is at the time of the end, Dan 8:17.
“As in the days of Noah” by Christ and Paul’s statement of “sudden destruction” easily fits an impending calamity of huge proportion. Instead of doubting, try to see how various parts of Scripture can integrate.
RichardRhuling
What is the basis of your ‘authority’ for interpreting any of the Prophecies in the Book of Daniel?
And are you aware that the Michael referred to in Chapter 12, verse 1 of the Book of Daniel is a person (because of the Hebrew verb root used there) rather than an angel, and that the Doctrine of “the resurrection”–which has remained “secret and sealed” for so many thousands of years–is a Doctrine of ‘Rebirth’?
Michael (interestingly enough)
God does not brag. He is omnipotent.
I agree, poor choice of words for God, who is not only all powerful, but all knwing, and all loving. Thanks for helping to clarify.
god gets to judge everyone, sounds fun!! sorta easy to talk the talk but could he walk the walk??
No special power, gifts, etc., no knowledge that he’s god, just here as a normal person with life’s problems! Could he do it??
We already know “IF we can believe the bible” that he’s a mass murderer and has horrible anger issues and a “god complex lol”
Would god find himself in prison for breaking his own laws? “the thou shalt not kill one comes to mind”
It’s a question that I’ve pondered on occasion!
There are several issues here. You are not in a position to judge God. It’s your interpretation of something you read and you weren’t really there to know the circumstances–ie not a true witness. I’m in my 70′s and have found God fair, reasonable, just and all the positive things that the Bible has to say. Life is a mirror, and a lot depends one our own attitude. We often get back what we give out. It’s better to stay positive, especially when it comes to trying to judge God. Try reading the 23rd Psalm for starters.
Why am I not in a position to JUDGE god?? who says so?? YOU???
as for “my interpretation” did not “GOD” command the israelites to MURDER EVERY MAN, WOMAN AND CHILD and the beasts, upon entering the land commonly called Israel today??
The above homicidal command was AFTER the declaration to moses and the creation of the TEN COMMANDMENTS.. You’ll correct me if I’m in error here, but isn’t one of the commandments, THOU SHALT NOT KILL????? Further: I don’t see any severability or exculpatory clauses within the body of the TEN COMMANDMENTS! So IT IS NOT MY INTERPRETATION, IT IS ALLEGEDLY A FACTUAL EVENT “according to YOUR BIBLE and the hebrew bible”
So your INVISIBLE playmate in the sky is fair and reasonable is he?? and positive in ALL THINGS??
Wow, someone tell the Gazans that their GENOCIDE at the hands of GOD’S CHOSEN PEOPLE is fair, reasonable and POSITIVE!! I’d think the GAZANS would find your STAY POSITIVE APPROACH not just unfair but REPREHENSIBLE!!!
AND I CAN JUDGE ANYONE, INCLUDING GOD! As I stated in my original post.. it’s easy for god to JUDGE US but could he live the life.. and further;.. COULD HE withstand his OWN JUDGEMENT of the life he would lead if he had the stones to actually DO IT???
I doubt it!!
We understand that the Canaanites driven out or conquered by Israel were idolaters, sacrificing their own children to Molech, also immorality and perversion were rampant, and their 400+ years of probation cited in Genesis 15:16 resulted in no repentance. When Israel came to a city, they offered peace on condition of surrender and the citizens would pay tribute etc, but execution if they were unwilling subjects.
So not even a futile attempt to answer any of my posed questions huh! is that because your invisible playmate in the sky didn’t afford you any LIES to reply with?
Replying to DesertSpeaks below
If this life were all there is, then it might be unfair for all of a perverted idolatrous people to be destroyed because maybe a few didn’t like it and wished for better, but God reads the DNA and heart of all and can give a hereafter that is a blessing to those who larn to appreciate what is fair and good.
When a ship goes down at sea, some died giving their life preserver to someone else and some who were greedy grabbed them, but the lost may be the saved in the hereafter and those who live may die in the hereafter. My experience with many coincidences in life convinces me that God is good and I was to support His side in the conflict with evil of which there is plenty.
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Man used that God used, blah, books, who loves em aye, doctrines, who loves them aye, God said kill all those people, blah.
This is a reply to DesertSpeaks above but there’s no “Reply:” button:
We understand that the Canaanites driven out or conquered by Israel were idolaters, sacrificing their own children to Molech, also immorality and perversion were rampant, and their 400+ years of probation cited in Genesis 15:16 resulted in no repentance. When Israel came to a city, they offered peace on condition of surrender and the citizens would pay tribute etc, but execution if they were unwilling subjects.
To nest the thread properly you would reply to yourself, Richard. You’ll get the hang of it.
When Israel came to a city, they offered peace on condition of surrender and the citizens would pay tribute etc, but execution if they were unwilling subjects.??
Hmm, that’s very interesting.. lets examine the logic of that statement, shall we!?
So let’s say, I come to your home and because my invisible monotheistic playmate in the sky “who you’ve never heard of and don’t believe in” commanded me to drive you and your family from your home, because gosh darn it, your life choices just don’t live up to MY STANDARDS or that’s the excuse i’ll be using, wink wink nudge nudge, because it makes my position the moral high ground in the story I’ll be telling your neighbors after you’ve left, become my slave or I’ve slaughtered you!
Now you can either leave your HOME, BE MY SLAVE AND PAY ME, OR I”LL MURDER YOU, your family and your little dog too! Sound like a SANE and MORAL demand to you, does it??
Now why don’t you believe in my invisible monotheistic playmate in the sky?? I call him scooby because it’s as arbitrary as the name of your invisible playmate in the sky!! Keep in mind, that scooby told me all of this and you must take my word for it!!! Oh and scooby didn’t actually tell me this personally but he told someone who I don’t know and most likely am not even related to, who left a note telling me “ITS TRUE”!!
Do you believe in santa clause? Did you LIE to your children and tell them santa was real?? How about the easter bunny?? tooth fairy??
Why isn’t santa, easter bunny or tooth fairy real? they too are referenced in books!! many people sincerely believe in santa, why isn’t santa real??
Just because you read it in a book “that has been modified, redacted and translated MULTIPLE TIMES” doesn’t make it REAL!
Have you ever played the phonecall game?? it’s where you have a group of people sitting around in a circle, One person whispers a phrase to the next person and they in turn whisper it to the next until it finally reaches the last person who then REPEATS ALOUD what it was that was whispered to them..The initial phrase has changed so dramatically that it has no basis in reality to what was initially said!
When PEOPLE translate something, do they ever interject what they think it says? Do they translate it to fit what they think it should say, especially if it originally goes against their core beliefs and to make it more palatable or acceptable to their beliefs, they change it?? Do people ever tend to EXAGGERATE OR EMBELLISH a story to make things seem bigger, better or more believeable?? DO PEOPLE LIE!?!?!
As you can see, you are putting stock into something, that in all likelihood has no basis in reality. Due to the bastardization by MAN and his inclination to CHANGE THINGS to suit their needs and or desires!
The only thing that has been attributed to having been written by the and of god himself is the TEN COMMANDMENTS! that’s it!! and we can’t prove that!!!!!
I’m not here to dissuade you or anyone else from being a good person, i’m not attacking your religion but you must admit that there is a very real possibility that the stories are suspect at best!
End of beginning is like looking back at the beginning, which was the end, then reversed to hedon
This is a reply to Michael who asks,
What is the basis of your ‘authority’ for interpreting any of the Prophecies in the Book of Daniel?
The book of Daniel is sealed until the time of the end, but Daniel 8:17 reveals the time of the end as the vision of the ram and goat. We thought the ram was the Medes and Persians (Dan 8:20) but those areas are Iraq and Iran–so the UNSEALED meaning is a DOUBLE application–once in history AND in the end-time for the book of Daniel.
Michael also asked, And are you aware that the Michael referred to in Chapter 12, verse 1 of the Book of Daniel is a person (because of the Hebrew verb root used there) rather than an angel, and that the Doctrine of “the resurrection”–which has remained “secret and sealed” for so many thousands of years–is a Doctrine of ‘Rebirth’?
Michael is a word that means “who is like God” and in this case, it’s the same Michael as in Rev 12:7 who fights the battle against Satan in when he rebelled in heaven and through the devil out to earth and then came down and defeated him on the cross, but in Daniel 12:1, Michael is just finishing His intercession for us when He stands up and lets the 7 vials fall on those who persistently reject grace–hence “the time of trouble such as never was.”
RichardRuhling
So, your answer is clear.
You have no authority.
And you don’t have a CLUE as to the meaning of the Prophecies in the Book of Daniel.
On the contrary, you are merely conjecturing.
And, according to the Quran–in which Michael is also obliquely referred to as the “apostle of Allah”–”Conjecture is no substitute for the Truth”.
In any case, WHO told you the NONSENSICAL interpretation of the passages from the Book of Daniel and WHY do you believe that person?
And, while you’re at it, “when the time comes for the End, the king of the South will try conclusions with him”.
WHO is the “king of the South” and WHO does the “king of the North” refer to?
And WHY is the Hebrew verb root used in Chapter 12, verse 1 of the Book of Daniel the same as the Hebrew verb root used in Chapter 26, verse 19 of the Book of Isaiah?
And just say YOU DON’T KNOW if you don’t know the answers to these questions.
Michael
Thank you, Michael, for the opportunity to answer further.
Yes, I do know who the king of the north and south are.
The Bible defines the king of the north as the king of Babylon in Ezekiel 26:7, but you need to integrate Revelation 17:5 because in the time of the end (Dan 11:40), the king of the north is spiritual Babylon and is shown in Rev 17 to be a harlot (impure church) engaged with governments (“with whom the kings of hte earth commit fornicatioin”), a wealthy church (“decked in gold and jewels and precious stones”) and sitting on seven mountains, (Rome)., also a persecuting church, “drunken with the blood of saints.” The clues in Rev 17 fit no other entity but a scandalized church that is as phony as the pope’s fish hat to the fish god.
“In the time of the end” (Dan 11:40) the king of the north “overflows” the king of the south and a million Catholics are coming across our border each month. When asked why a couple moved to Montana, they said “Because the priest told us to” and they will vote the way they are told for the New World Order with the pope in charge (riding the beast of New World Order in Rev 17) The US has a dozen parallels to Egypt (the greatest nation then which also killed babies) You can get more from Exodus 2 at http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EN63UR2
@RichardRuhling
Good luck having the junkie (ayahuasca) tell you anything with money up front.
RichardRuhling
Wow.
Apparently, you thing that these millions of Catholics are going to “invade the Land of Splendor”…and that “the Libyans and the Cushites will be at (their) feet”.
(Wanna tell me HOW these millions of Catholics get to the Middle East”? Do they have SHIPS, for example?)
The lies and the florid delusions NEVER cease.
Clearly, you MUST believe that Chapter 12, verse 1 of the Book of Daniel says “And at that time shall Richard…”
Just an FYI: It doesn’t.
Michael
Michael,
“the Land of Splendor” does not appear in the King James Bible. The answers to most of your repeat questions are above. The Catholics will not invade a land of splendor in the Middle East, but from the days of Lincoln (whom Jesuits assassinated–see “The Betrayal” published by Chick Publications) they have tried to divide and conquer America. The Vatican was the ONLY political entity that recognized Jefferson Davis as the illustrious head of the confederate states 150+ years ago. Again, they hate America for its religious freedom as a Protestant nation which it no longer is
RichardRuhling
You have no answers.
And, if Jesus were to ‘ride out of the sky on a white horse’; change water into wine; multiply loaves fishes and T-bone steaks walk on water, raise the dead; bring eternal Peace to the Middle East…
And then walk up and tell you that even so much as ONE of your ‘answers’ is WRONG…
You would tell him to his face that he is SATAN incarnate; because you have already created an IMAGE of the Truth.
You remind me of the Baptist minister–are you a minister, by any chance?–who told me that he would be willing to sacrifice–no joke–EVERY human life on earth on the WAGER that Jesus would return ‘riding a white horse out of the sky’.
It being unbeknownst to him that the phrase “I saw heaven open….” NOT the SKY open, signifies just another description of the Vision of the “Son of man” as received by Daniel.
Michael
An “oppressive medieval church” is not what induced Europeans (not Americans) to immigrate to the New World. The promise of land is what brought them. Plus the “Golden Triangle” — namely grow tobacco in Virgina, ship it to England and sell it, use the proceeds to purchase English rum, ship the rum to Africa, sell it and use the proceeds to buy African slaves, and ship the slaves back to Virginia to be sold. Three profits — tobacco, rum and slaves. The Golden Triangle made many New World settlers fabulously wealthy. Some even had more than one ship and crew operating simultaneously. All things obey money.” (ECCLESIASTES 10:19)
Hi Louis,
You may have read an interesting article and money, rum and slaves may have motivated some to come to the US, but Rev 12 shows a woman which represented the Jewish nations at first–it says she brought forth a manchild (Christ) and then fled to the wilderness to escape the devil for 1260 days which prophetically were years, from 538 AD to 1798 when Napoleon took the pope prisoner, the papacy was an oppressive power that made war, even against kings and Rev 17:6 describes Rome as “drunken with the blood of saints” Yes, the woman fleeing to wilderness included the New World and freedom from the papacy because they say “No man is free to embrace and profess the religion that he believes is true, guided by the light of reason.” – See more at: http://www.americainprophecy.me
” Rev 12 shows a woman which represented the Jewish nations ”
Judaism didn’t exist until after 70 CE. The invention of the political party of wealthy influential bankers and traders called the Pharisees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees
“The Pharisees (/ˈfærəˌsiːz/) were at various times a political party, a social movement, and a school of thought in the Holy Land during the Second Temple period, beginning under the Hasmonean dynasty (140–37 BCE) in the wake of the Maccabean Revolt. After the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, Pharisaic beliefs became the liturgical and ritualistic basis for Rabbinic Judaism (commonly known as simply Judaism).”
Oops.
Richard Ruhling —
Your interpretation of the Book of APOCALYPSE (and history) is not only inaccurate but deranged.
No need to be rude and offensive Louis. Using Christianese,.. Religion will turn the nicest person into a hate filled demon from hell.
This is not spirituality, reality is Darwinian, a dog eat dog world trampling over others in the race to the top of the food chain. Spirituality is a means of rising above all that. If you can’t even grasp the basis for spirituality, STFU.
Michael,
I’m replying to your comment below–Your interpretation of the Book of APOCALYPSE (and history) is not only inaccurate but deranged. (but no “reply button to click there)
If you think that Revelation 17 is not about the harlot of Rome (city of 7 hills, verse 9) with whom the kings of the earth commit fornication (political church), drunken with the blood of saints (verse 6, a persecuting church –50-100 million is a conservative estimate by historians) then you must have a Catholic view of history–or please explain how that imagery points to some other entity?
I quote history and get a slew of negative hits. The obots are working overtime.
I know for a fact that early settlers came to the New World in search of land. My own ancestors arrived in the New World from France in the mid 1600s in search of land. They were not fleeing from an “oppressive medieval church.” They were loyal Catholics who loved the Church. They thrived in the New World for over a century before America even existed.
Put that in your obot pipe and smoke it.
“God used Joseph to spare Egypt but another Pharaoh came who knew not Joseph and he put Israel into bondage.”
Typical political spin. Actually the Egyptian form of tax, no money was involved the people didn’t have money, they worked for X number of months/weeks, they paid with their labour. And they were well looked after, free food, medical aid and housing, which was a huge improvement to their normal living conditions of living hand to mouth in a mud hut hovel.
Replying to your previous post re Jews. The Bible uses the term in the book of Esther which was maybe 500 BC. Your use of Judaism applied after 70 AD would have a different meaning.
Before the religion ‘Judaism’, the word was a general term for Judeans, not the Egyptian Israelite immigrants. The religion Judaism has nothing to do with Judea, it’s creators the Pharisees were a political group that had branches in Rome, Turkey, Greece, Arabia, Egypt etc. Their policies and laws are Rabbinic, word of mouth, otherwise called making it up as you go. Their mono deity belief system is based on Atenism. Typical of bankers and traders they manipulated politics to line their own pockets, wage wars to loot other countries and keep power away from the poor, the sick and minorities. They destroyed Rome’s republic from within… Deja Vu?
Christianity is based on the letters attributed to the Turkish trader with the Roman citizenship (making him a high ranking Pharisee) Pharisee Saul/Paul. Islam is based on the teachings of the Arabic trader Muhammad. A definite pattern there.
All three religions are based on plagiarised pagan allegory and capitolistic principles.. slavery, war, paying your taxes like good little slaves of the state, subservience to your lord and master dictators etc. Oh and be happy about you disempowered subjugation while your at it because one day you’ll be able to gloat at their misfortune for all eternity. Which is some how supposed to make it all better.
The book of Esther is a story about a Jewish girl in Persia 486–465 BCE, from ‘it’s’ context of ‘Jewish’ would be Judeans not the Israelites. It’s the basis of the Cinderella childrens story.
The Israelites were wiped off the face of Earth by the Roman empire, Roman emperor Titus in 70 CE. Modern Jews come from eastern Europe, and they are only Jewish because it was state enforce by the state dictator. So their occupation of Palestine is on a par with a bunch of delinquent Harry Potter fans moving into your home at gun point and renaming it Hogwarts.
Jesus was not Jewish, the Israelites were not Jewish, Judaism didn’t exist until after their demise. The Jesus story is identical to that of the Greek Dionysus. http://www.centerformaat.com/images/dionysus_on_cross.gif
Notice the cup the whole is standing on? It is depicting the celestial boat, which is allegory for celestial movement. The story is the seasonal cycle of birth, life and our mission, death, and rebirth. Dionysus was the autumn harvest aspect, his other selves were Mithra representing sacrifice and death. Mithra temples were below ground, Dionysus temples were above ground and they often shared the same building with above church and below catacombs to cater for both aspects. The Egyptian version was Horus and Persian version Dagon, Zoroastrianism of three wise men fame. It’s why the pope wears a fish god Dagon hat and mitre.
Christianity is paganism wearing a new name.
@Pix
And as for you Mao me ol mate, lover of the oppressed poor and other especially queered faggot minorities: No go! Desperate though I am sure that you are to escape your vacuuity you are not separate from it. Your pathetic attempts to try and sneak through an economic basis of your ‘reality’s’ transference of everyone elses now monetized wealth … is as puerile and full of bull as is the world of Swahmi Michael.
Meidan
I have all the evidence I need, you have none at all.
Meidan
What do you mean by “queered faggot”? A spoiled/ruined bundle of sticks bound together as fuel.wood? What has that got to do with my comment or this article?
“queered faggot”
It’s SO much easier to represent the ‘oppressed’ when there is only 18 (with millions of hangers on admittedly) of them isn’t it?
And you have no evidence. You are just trying to establish an economic REALITY with which you hope to escape the vacuuity of everyone else that you dismiss in the same post.
The PASSION of the ‘Pharisees ‘Jews as the ‘Poor’
Jeezus!
@Pix
You are NOT decrcribing the dramatic revelation of the non mythological but actually UNIQUELY real existence of ‘Judaism’ you are simply focusing on a few incorrectly isolated parts of the standard ‘those who work, those who trade, those who fight and those who pray’ functions of the community they existed within.
Meidan
“queered faggot”
It’s SO much easier to represent the ‘oppressed’ when there is only 18 (with millions of hangers on admittedly) of them isn’t it?
WTF are you talking about? I can speak several languages but unless you define what you are talking about, you might just as well not bother speaking at all. Are ruined bundles of wood a problem where you live or something? Being insulting is not helping your case.
The Pharisees were not poor, they were a group of wealthy influential bankers and traders who had branches all over the place, the Pharisees were a political party. What you are claiming is on a par with claiming the Democrat party is a spiritual based religion.
Meidan “You are NOT decrcribing the dramatic revelation of the non mythological but actually UNIQUELY real existence of ‘Judaism’ you are simply focusing on a few incorrectly isolated parts of the standard ‘those who work, those who trade, those who fight and those who pray’ functions of the community they existed within.”
You are not describing reality, you are describing your religions fairy story. They were not the same people. The Israelites were polytheistic Egyptian refugees living in Judea. The monotheist Jews didn’t exist until after the Israelites were wiped off the face of Earth in 70 CE. Judaism is based on Atenism, not the Israelites. Everything Jesus preached existed in paganism not in Judaism.
@Pix
The Pharisees had been a ‘political party’ (like rabbis they are not priests and so are all lawyers like politicians so that is not something that I have a problem with) within Judaism. The Sadducees had been the priests (those who ‘prayed’). ‘Judaification’ (like ‘Romanization / ‘Sancritization’ etc) amongst the upwardly mobile would have just have shifted towards ‘Pharisization / Rabbinization’.
@Pix
“”"You are not describing reality, you are describing your religions fairy story. They were not the same people. The Israelites were polytheistic Egyptian refugees living in Judea. The monotheist Jews didn’t exist until after the Israelites were wiped off the face of Earth in 70 CE. Judaism is based on Atenism, not the Israelites. Everything Jesus preached existed in paganism not in Judaism.”"”
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While I am not doubting that Atenism has a common source in earlier monotheism as later monotheisms (having no God before me being the going back to the beginning basis of Atenism) I can’t go into that much as that, as you say, is everywhere. However these Israelites that you mention you are considering different again from the ordinary people of Judea. You don’t say when they came. Presumably it was after the mythical time of Moses but backdated to then. You are perhaps basing this on this Isis Ra and El theory of yours when my own Ish (man) and Ra (perdition) and El (God) seems more likely to me (even if still only torturously).
Why is it Judaism that is based on Atenism though when Atenism is a Man As God religion? Judaism here seems a reaction against Christianity. The Pharisees are just a part of a whole community that included those who worked, traded, fought and prayed. ‘Pharisaism’ is only ‘the bloody reality’ to those who can only imagine the world as subsisting within the particular underclass system of these people who are praying (you maybe).
@Pix
What you are claiming is on a par with claiming the Democrat party is a spiritual based religion.
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I never said anything about the Pharisees religious beliefs except that if (big if) they were, as you say, an evolution of Atenism then they seem to me to be a letter evolution of it than Christianity.
The Pharisees were not a proselytizing group. To think that there was this idiotic ethnicity of only bankers and traders and no one else (women children family etc) stomping around the ancient world is just your reading too much into the class rule that every community had within it.
Meidan
Should you choose to challenge my explanation of the Thanksgiving Hymns, it would only be fair to warn you that I have read dozens of books and research articles on the Hymns over the past 40 years; examining each of the arguments and counter-arguments and the reasons why they have been accepted or rejected by the OFFICIAL *LIARS* among the Dead Sea Scrolls researchers.
There are a number of spurious arguments, whose intention is misdirection, for example; to which I have devised a number of fairly complicated rebuttals.
So, it is best for you to understand that you are dealing with what might be termed a professional researcher of the Dead Sea Scrolls, although I categorically reject the nonsense
that has been published by the media in ‘explanation’ of those scrolls.
So, with that caveat, “Matrix hand sign” indicating ‘come at me with your best effort’.
It is prolly best that you just slink away without another reply.
Just sayin.
Michael
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I’m sure I’ve asked you before why you don’t bother much with the fall of man and the Garden of Eden as you do with the fall of Satan. After all it is about the tree of the KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil. Whose fruit being eaten by you excludes your being permitted to partake of the Tree of Immortality – whose very existence, as a possible choice to make, entails the mortal nature not just of Adam and Eve but of the man that Jesus is said to be when he is said to be all man and all God. Difference being that Jesus is man as he was before he partook of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil i.e.e incapable of sin and presumably mortal.
Meidan
I have dealt on several occasions with ‘the Fall’.
For example, according to Genesis ONLY Adam, ONLY “the man” was banished from Paradise.
So, what happened to Eve?
And WHY?
In any case, you COMPLETELY misunderstand the symbolism in Genesis.
It is not the tree of the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil; it is the tree of the knowledge of GOOD AND EVIL. That means the dualistic “beast of the sea” consciousness of the “self” which determines ‘good’ and ‘evil’ on the basis of pleasure and desire, and fear and pain. The consciousness of the “self” is then aided and abetted by the dualistic “beast of the earth” consciousness of the ‘thinker’.
The “Tree of Life” on the other hand, symbolizes the non-dualistic consciousness Created by God as well as the Vision of the “Son of man” and the “Vision of Knowledge” in the Thanksgiving Hymns (as well as the “sidrah tree” and the “Night Journey” in the Quran).
Michael
@Michael
The Cross represents childbirth.
Yes. Tree of life. Not immortality. I was parroting and not thinking.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/181655549/Escape-from-Mass-Extinction
Hi Otis,
Thanks for your link which I looked at that projects the tribulation starting as early as 4/2016.
I believe we could see Economic Collapse this fall and if so, it represents the 1st trumpet when “all green grass was burnt up” because “as the flower of the grass, so shall the rich man fade” James 1:9-11 in King James. I believe the seals and trumpets will run concurrently, not sequentially. The 7 trumpets space the 7 years of tribulation and may be timed for the Feast of trumpets–New moon of 7th month counting from spring when Passover is 1st month, Exod 12:2
Oh come off it. At what moment in time have there not been financial crisis, wars, rumours of wars, famines and plagues that have not been ongoing somewhere?
Claiming “…we could see Economic Collapse…” is a certainty, seeing as everyday it collapses more it’s called inflation and quantitative easing.
Pix
You just don’t get it.
Their obsession with events in the space-time reality is ALL these IDIOT Christian religious ‘authorities’ have.
They have NO understanding of the Teaching of Jesus.
They CANNOT explain the reply of Jesus to the Sadducees.
They have NO explanation for why there was not any HISTORICAL record of ‘people coming out of their tombs’ at the time of the crucifixion of Jesus.
ALL they can do is OBSESS with one event after another, one personified anti-Christ after another, one “false prophet’ after another, ome ‘peace treaty’ after another, one ‘sign in the heavens’ after another.
Because they have no KNOWLEDGE, they are reduced to ENTERTAINING their gullible, WITLESS and often PSYCHOPATHIC followers.
That is how they make their MONEY, after all: not by any Knowledge of the Truth, but ONLY because of their ability ENTERTAIN their followers…
To EXTINCTION.
Michael
Michael
I very much do get it, which is why I’ve been logging on to BiN for the past years in an attempt to add back it’s historical context. There was no Jesus as per the Biblical description, the story is as old as the hills,.. well at least the man made hills in Egypt called pyramids.
The historical period the Jesus character would have lived in was the exact moment in time when Rome went from a Republic to a dictatorship. There is only one actual historical candidate the fits the description… nick named Caesarion, the only begotten son of god the (acting) Roman emperor Julius Caesar via the goddess Greek/Egyptian Pharaoh Cleopatra/Isis Meri.
It’s well known that Cleopatra associated herself with Isis on account of her giving birth to a son of a god outside of marriage (virgin), virgin meant ‘a young unmarried women’, not someone who has not had sex, and Meri means ‘royal women’. His real name is believed to have been Ἰησοῦς Iesous; Cleopatra was Greek so it figures she would give her kids Greek names, it’s a Greek name not a Hebrew or Egyptian one. Titled ‘son of god’, ‘heir to the kingdom of god’, ‘in the image of god’, ‘lamb of god’, etc, heir to the Roman and Egyptian empires. He would have been the ruler of the known world, the richest individual in the world, and was the true heir of Caesar and accepted as a ‘living god’.
Instead Caesar was assassinated, Cleopatra and Caesarion fled back to Egypt from Rome. After several years Rome sent Mark Antony to Egypt, to cut a long story short they fell in love had 3 children, set up against Rome and lost. The kids including Caesarion, at that time a young teen, were taken away by friends to live in India via Palestine/Judea.
They fled into the wilderness, which better explains the weird claim that Jesus was tempted by the Devil with the offer of being ruler of the world. If it was the biblical Jesus nobody would have accepted a lowly son of a carpenter as any kind of ruler, they obtained the right via birth. Their entitlement was based on the gods wanting them to be ruler by making sure they were born into it. There is only one group of people, then and now that have the means to make such an offer, the influential wealthy bankers and traders, at that period of time had their own political party called the Pharisees. He turned them down, gave it all up for the sake of the Republic.
He was hunted by his rival the older adopted son of Caesar the first hereditary Roman emperor Octavian/Augustus. The Israelites would have known the Roman line was false, Augustus was not the son of Caesar, Caesarian was.
There is one other really telling line in the Bible, Revelation 22.16 where Jesus claims his lineage; “I am the root and offspring of David, and the bright morning star”. The root of David is Egypt, the Israelites were from Egypt, in fact it’s believed most of their stories are about Egyptian pharaohs especially Solomon and David, Caesarion was born in Egypt. The bright morning star is Lucifer, Venus on the dawn horizon. Julius Caesar’s lineage was as a direct descendent of Venus.
And there is the fact the timing is absolutely perfect. So, the bible is a mixture of ancient pagan allegory and associated to Caesarian, same way other rulers associated themselves with other gods, eg Roman emperor Caligula believed he was Zeus. Mark Antony associated himself with Dionysus. Cleopatra with Isis. Basically it boils down to political spin.
Pix
The problem here is that you simply disregard the evidence about Jesus in the Talmud.
But that’s only part of the problem.
You also simply throw out, for example, The Treatise On the Resurrection, which was not found at Nag Hammadi, Egypt until 1945; and, when understood, specifically contradicts ALL of Christianity’s NONSENSE about Jesus (as do the Thanksgiving Hymns of the Dead Sea Scrolls).
Nor do you have enough information to be able to understand that Jesus was the author of the Thanksgiving Hymns of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
But probably the clincher here is that you do NOT understand the reply of Jesus to the Sadducees. That reply could NOT have been concocted by anyone approaching the facts from the perspective that YOU suggest. They are simply not INTELLIGENT enough.
So, what it comes down to is that much of the evidence about Jesus is to be found in the writings of those who HATED him for the Doctrine that he taught. And, to be so HATED, one must first exist.
Similarly, if these Christian theologians had ANY idea what was the meaning of the reply of Jesus to the Sadducees, it would have been deleted HUNDREDS of years ago.
In effect, you are an ALLY of the Christian religious establishment by attempting to deny the existence of Jesus–and, as such, you also share in their responsibility for the EVIL in the world.
It is not the existence of Jesus which is the issue.
It is the EXPROPRIATION, the INVERSION, and the PERVERSION of his Teaching that PRODUCED the Holocaust and is INCITING the “time of trouble” that is the issue.
But I consider it HIGHLY unlikely that such a perspective will EVER be published in the “dragon”-media except on the OTHER SIDE of Armageddon…
As if that will do us any good THEN.
Michael
@Michael (‘Interestingly’)
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“”But probably the clincher here is that you do NOT understand the reply of Jesus to the Sadducees.”
You certainly don’t. All you can do is excrete out 3 or 4 sentences on your blog and post them as an article.
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Michael
“The problem here is that you simply disregard the evidence about Jesus in the Talmud.”
There is no mention of Jesus in the Talmud, the Jewish messiah is described as s war chief who leads their armies to victory in battle, not a tum the other cheek love and feed everyone pacifist. Seeing as the Israelites were wiped off the face of Earth in 70 CE, their messiah is a 100% fail. They no longer exist.
“Nor do you have enough information to be able to understand that Jesus was the author of the Thanksgiving Hymns of the Dead Sea Scrolls.”
Ok, got the picture, you’re barking mad. For a start the “Thanksgiving Hymns of the Dead Sea Scrolls” are fragments. They were buried by groups of gnostics when believing anything other than the state enforced dictatorship, was a death penalty. There isn’t so much as a single scrap of evidence the biblical Jesus character existed. The gospels are by anonymous authors, so are not witness statements, they have no idea who wrote them, they are just called Matthew Mark Luke and John. Not only that but there is plenty of evidence proving the story to be plagiarised pagan allegory that is at least 3’000 years older than the Christian story time line.
You have no material to argue with.
Michael
“So, what it comes down to is that much of the evidence about Jesus is to be found in the writings of those who HATED him for the Doctrine that he taught. And, to be so HATED, one must first exist.”
The story existed at least 3’000 years before Judaism was invented post 70 CE, and nearly 4’000 years older than Christianity, the bible was compiled throughout the 6th to 10th centuries CE. And there is nothing to distinguish any of the existing pagan cults based on Mithra/Dionysus/Dagon/Horus with Christianity, to tell them apart or substantiate the existence of Christianity as a different religion. Especially all the older Churches that had Mithraic catacombs/cellars with Dionysus temples over them, all of them were originally pagan, not Christian.
Pix
Did I SAY that Jesus was mentioned in the Talmud?
No I did not.
Yet, there are discussions about a personality which are more or less universally considered among Talmudic Jews as pertaining to Jesus.
With regards to the Thanksgiving Hymns, you simply don’t have any information about them to be able to come to a conclusion which is in any way credible. It is clear that you have not read them. And, even if you had, you would not be able to recognize that the person who had written them had received both the Vision of the “Son of man” and the Revelation of “the resurrection”, and was viciously opposed by the Jewish priesthood in Jerusalem to the point that his life was threatened.
So, you actually have to READ the Hymns, understand when they were carbon-dated to, and actually examine who, during that time, was opposed by the Jewish priesthood. And, when you put all of those factors together, the conclusion is fairly clear to those who are capable of making logical conclusions.
If that does not include your, I can’t really help you.
Michael
@Michael
The guy of 200 BC was the same guy as the rabbinic Jesus of 100 AD? And all the people in between too of course?
Meidan
I am quite well-aware of all of the arguments that have been advanced with regards to the Thanksgiving Hymns of the Dead Sea Scrolls, having studied them for some 40 years.
Be my guest.
Give it your best shot.
(Especially this NONSENSE–hahahahahaha–about 200 B.C.)
Michael
@Michael
The dead sea scrolls are dated to 200 BC and the two possible explanations for them are either that they are the product of the Essenes as an Egyptian sect or the salvaged remains of an usurped High Priest (possibly named Jesus – no one knows the name of ‘the Teacher of Righteousness’) of around the year 200 BC.
The Jewish ‘Jesus’ Yeshu dates to about 100 AD if I remember correctly.
Michael “The dead sea scrolls are dated to 200 BC and the two possible explanations for them are either that they are the product of the Essenes as an Egyptian sect or the salvaged remains of an usurped High Priest..”
Some of them are much older than 200 BCE and they are not all papyrus there is a copper one as well and velum. Your argument would only hold if the scrolls were all religious ones, they are not, the religious scrolls are a tiny fraction of the whole collection. Which is why it is believed they were hidden by gnostics. Gnostic meaning ‘learned’, knowledge. They were being persecuted so fled to the hills and buried their treasure, knowledge, to protect it from the book burners. It’s surmised that the document buriers didn’t survive to reclaim them.
you know i once hated god, didnt believe in him, now i am a christian. The thing i despise the most about christians today though is their fear mongering, their “interpretations of the bible to predict end times”. Why are so many christians so worried about predicting it and telling non believers you will go to hell soon because jesus is coming on such and such time. Why spread all these false teachings, and prophecies. Instead cant we just walk by faith with christ on a daily basis, and reach out to non believers not in a condemning way but in a loving way as christ would. I think if you truely believe in jesus and the sacrifice he gave to us, then you should be more concerned with your own daily walk and carrying out his greatest commandment, love others as i have loved you. Not hey post a bunch of random verses from the bible and try and correlate them to your days events of the world to make it look like the world is ending, then post them on a website or youtube to try and scare people to believe in me. All this armageddon, doomsday, rapture crap is ridiculous. Yet christians wonder why non believers hate christians so much, because of this fear mongering crap and the fact that most christians are the most judgemental people on the face of this earth.
What a TWIT!
This will probably be of interest to you Richard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI-9ipkG8ks&list=PLFC2C3C04A5585BCA
Oh, the GayTheists have decided to add their downvoting ten cents.
I blame their faggot Daddy Pix but will he listen?
No!
Of course you would blame the people you hate. What else could we expect from a slanderer and hater?
But FYI, the downvoting has nothing to do with me, I don’t downvote anyone, never have. People have the right to talk their walk, even it’s only an imaginary walk. I say that because none of you actually walk your high and mighty talk, you just role play.
” faggot Daddy Pix ”
I am a human being like you. Try acting like one for a change instead of role playing your imaginary ‘deity’ so you can do the judgings for it. You prove your disbelief every time you do so, because you would not dare to slander others if you did. What is it you don’t understand about “thou shalt not bear false witness” ?
Uh … Christian. Bible doesn’t apply. It’s more of a sort of hint at beauty.