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The 7 seals have to be opened before the 7 trumpets are blown and there is war,the great earthquake and the bible mentions the rapture before the 7 trumpets have even been blown so where this guy gets that those trumpets have been blown i have no idea. http://geraldcelentechannel.blogspot.com/
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bro Irvin Baxter says this because the 7 seals,the seven trumpets, and 7 bowls are all the same event in the Bible described by different times.
Elaborate further please Ashes, 7 seals 7 trumpets 7 bowls are the same event described by different times?
According to scripture, and what has been taught through eschatology for YEARS, the three sets of 7 events are SEPERATE events, but are all part of the 7 year tribulation period. baxter does not support a pre trib rapture, so his idealogy and interpetation is different, and challenged by scripture to be wrong. Be careful about whom you listen to these days..many shall be decieved in these last days..
Michael Parker….. nowherein scripture does it say that the great tribulation is a 7 yr period, it states that it is a 3.5 yr period. As far as your comment on eschatology taught through the years, maybe they were wrong, and irvin baxter has it correct. if u look at matt ch 24 Jesus himself gave the order of endtime events.
Ashes is right on target.
The final week of Daniel’s prophecy is not the same thing as the 42 months of the time of Jacob’s Trouble (The 3.5 year Great Tribulation).
Also, if there is ANYTHING in the Scriptures about a Pre-tribulation Rapture, please point to it. Rather, it is written that the ‘Harpazo’ (Greek for ‘catching-up’) will occur as Messiah is ON HIS WAY to Earth on either the last day, or one of the very last days before the Great and Terrible Day of YHWH.
There is no such thing as a Pre-tribulation Rapture written anywhere within the pages of the Scripture. This is a very dangerous doctrine which brothers and sisters are counting on to save them from suffering. All teaching of this doctrine should be ended because it is not scripturally sound and it is very detrimental to many good folks who are convinced of its authenticity.
RetiredRogue,,,,,,@ashes Your right there is a tribulation period and then The Great Tribulation which is ”””a time,,,,( 1 year )a times (2 years ) and a dividing of times (1/2 year ) === 3 1/2 years for The Great Tribulation. Or in other parts of the bible say 42 months.
While I agree with alot of what you say, the antichrist confirming the Abramic Covenant is just NOT what the scripture says. I believe that a strong possibility exists that Obama confirmed a 7 year covenant (Oslo 1993-2000) in a speech September 2009 at the United Nations when he stated the very terms of that covenant and would work toward it.
He lost me in the very beginning when he spoke of everyone running up credit card debt before the rapture! Who is this guy?
Oh you poor sheep! As long as you listen to all these false prophets, you will be deceived. Take the Lords Word and ask HIM to open it for you. He will show you and confirm what He shows you. Then you will know the Truth. HE has been doing this for me for years now.
I am not sure what the time frame is for the opening of the 7 seals and the blowing of the 7 trumpets, but I have always felt that the Rapture is to be the first thing to happen before either the seals opening and the 7 horns blowing so that the “bride” of Christ (meaning all the believers in Christ) would not have to live on earth during this time and experience all the problems that the rest would have to endure. Seems that all Christians believe that we are going from A to Z but we do not all agree on the path of events to get us there.
With all do respect your idea of how these seals , trumpets and vials unfold in a time line one after the other is completely wrong . Seals were used to seal a message from one person to another . The seals of the book. Of revelation , the unfailing is the same . It is information given to us in the order of importance to be sealed into our brains .
Trimpets were blown to execute a command which would be the dumping of the vials . The only trumpets , vials and seals that align are the sixth and the seventh . 666 is the number of Satan and 777 is the number of God . Five trumpets have sounded and we await Satan being cast down to earth , the locust army is forming as we speak and will be a two hundred million strong Arab coalition that will take back Jerusalem for a short time .
There is not one mention of a rapture in the bible..not one..not one reference to saturday being the sabbath..or that its ok to pray to ANYONE before God…the seven seals HAVE been broken the seven trumpets HAVE sounded. animals HAVE been dying.the waters HAVE been turning red..the false religion is at this very moment being taken up (islam). earthquakes ARE increasing in numbers ..their are wars and rumors of war..READ THE BOOK STOP LISTENING TO OTHERS , DECERN FOR YOURSELF !!!!!!
PLEASE FORGIVE THEM FATHER THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO
“…the great earthquake…”
Misquoting the bible again. It says “earthquakes (plural) in diverse (many) places”. A rather mundane every day thing in reality,.. when hasn’t there been earthquakes in diverse places?
Three is absolutely no mention anywhere in the bible of a rapture, and certainly nothing about the babtist version where they think they’ll be literally floated up into the sky to meet Jesus in the clouds, and all because it says, “caught up in the air with”. To be caught up with something means you are involved with it, and air/sky/heaven are always a reference to the mind in biblical prophesy, so it’s meaning is, ‘caught up with an idea’. It does not literally mean you will be floated up into the sky. How the feck would that work in reality.
You are corect, You cant get into heaven with the body we have now we will be spirt!
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I thought 666 was the downfall…..personally I like 696 and I,m the 9.
Is Obama the Antichrist?
Nov 14, 2008 7:00 PM EST
The winning lottery number in Illinois was 666, which, as everyone knows, is the sign of the Beast.
On Nov. 5, Todd Strandberg was at his desk, fielding E-mails from around the world. As the editor and founder of RaptureReady.com, his job is to track current events and link them to biblical prophecy in hopes of maintaining his status as “the eBay of prophecy,” the best source online for predictions and calculations concerning the end of the world. Already Barack Obama had drawn the attention of apocalypse watchers after an anonymous e-mail circulated among conservative Christians in October implying that he was the Antichrist. Former “Saturday Night Live” ingénue Victoria Jackson fueled the fire when, according to news reports, she wrote on her Web site that Obama “bears traits that resemble the anti-Christ.” Now Strandberg was receiving up-to-the-minute news from his constituents in Illinois. One of the winning lottery numbers in the president-elect’s home state was 666— which, as everyone knows, is the sign of the Beast (also known as the Antichrist). “It is very eerie, and I take it for a sign as to who he really is,” wrote one of Strandberg’s correspondents.
Ever since Jesus Christ was crucified and, according to the Gospels, rose again in glory, his followers have been anticipating the end of history—the time when their Lord will return to earth and reign for a thousand years. The question has always been when. Most Christians don’t worry about the end too much; it’s an abstract concept, a theological puzzle for late-night pondering. A few, however, have always believed that it is coming—and soon. Millennialist movements, as they’re called, gain prominence especially when the world grows chaotic, during wars and at the turn of every century. According to a 2006 study by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, a third of white evangelicals believe the world will end in their lifetimes. These mostly conservative Christians believe a great battle is imminent. After years of tribulation—natural disasters, other cataclysms (such as the collapse of financial markets)—God’s armies will vanquish armies led by the Antichrist himself. He will be a sweet-talking world leader who gathers governments and economies under his command to further his own evil agenda. In this world view, “the spread of secular progressive ideas is a prelude to the enslavement of mankind,” explains Richard Landes, former director of the Center for Millennial Studies at Boston University.
No wonder, then, that Obama triggers such fear in the hearts of America’s millennialist Christians. Mat Staver, dean of Liberty University’s law school, says he does not believe Obama is the Antichrist, but he can see how others might. Obama’s own use of religious rhetoric belies his liberal positions on abortion and traditional marriage, Staver says, positions that “religious conservatives believe will threaten their freedom.” The people who believe Obama is the Antichrist are perhaps jumping to conclusions, but they’re not nuts: “They are expressing a concern and a fear that is widely shared,” Staver says.
Before Christ comes again, those who are saved will ascend to heaven, according to this end-times theology, in a huge, upward whoosh called the Rapture. Strandberg is so certain that the Rapture is coming, he’s bought a number of Internet addresses in addition to RaptureReady: AntiAntichrist, Tribulationus and RaptureMe. In the event that RaptureReady crashes during the apocalypse, anyone who needs an update will, with a simple Google search, be able to get one. Strandberg says Obama probably isn’t the Antichrist, but he’s watching the president-elect carefully. On his Web site, he has something called the Rapture Index, a calculation based on signs and prophecy of the proximity of the end. According to Strandberg, any number over 160 means “fasten your seat belts.” Obama’s win pushed the index to 161.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2008/11/15/is-obama-the-antichrist.html
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When I read your Book: A Message For the President’.. Way back in 87!! And was ON the page foretelling the Fall of the Berlin Wall, you yourself having had FOUND IT.. In Scripture?!! I’ve followed your Teachings ever since!!! Right On The Money Sonny!!
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NO RELIGION IS REQUIRED! THERE IS NO HELL OR SATAN! 80% OF THE BIBLE IS FALSE! THERE IS NO JUDGEMENT! EVERYBODY GOES TO HEAVEN TO BE WITH GOD! EVEN LUCIFER IS IN HEAVEN! THERE WILL BE NO RAPTURE! TIBERIUS JULIUS ABDES PANTERA WAS THE FATHER OF THE BASTARD JESUS BY RAPING AN UNDERAGE MARY! IF WE END ALL LIFE ON EARTH, GOD OR JESUS WILL NOT STOP IT!