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FEMA Ordered 102,000 Boxcars With Shackles

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    FEMA ORDERED 102,000 Boxcars With Shackles! THE FACTS-GUNDERSON PRISONER BOXCARS WITH SHACKLES-A REPORT Here is a summary of the previous information circulating about Gunderson’s PRISONER BOXCARS WITH SHACKLES from previous reports circulating all over the nation on this subject, which I have written. BRENT GUNDERSON is challenging my information. CAN YOU PROVE HIM WRONG??? Many people have rai

    sed skeptical questions about reports of prisoner BOXCARS AND SHACKLES being sighted across America. Some people think that they are only reported originally through Phil Schnieder in a Patriot interview. Recently, someone erroneously reported that MY information on them originated from Phil Schnieder. WRONG! My research and documentation on the boxcars and shackles goes far beyond Phil´s interview. Long before I heard of him, I had eyewitness information on these boxcars. A van full of eyewitnesses, missionaries traveling across America to evangelize and pray, stumbled across these boxcars in Montana, near Columbia Falls in Glacier. They described boxcars, in this case painted black, with shackles welded into them and a modern guillotine at the head of each boxcar inside. As they were photographing mountain scenery, they decided to follow railroad tracks into the wilderness so as to not get lost. This is how they came upon these boxcars with shackles. I later received a report from Lee Harrington of Valier, MT, who was a professional metal worker. He told me how in Glascow, MT, summer youth workers were employed to weld shackles into boxcars in that operation. They were then shipped west to Glacier and stored on remote sidetracks. Passing through the Blackfoot Indian Reservation in Cutbank, a local Blackfoot Indian, George Bullcalf, spotted these strange boxcars. When I interviewed local Patriots in Columbia Falls, they confirmed that hunters often stumbled upon such boxcars on remote train spurs in that wilderness region. I THEN TRAVELED TO PORTLAND OREGON, and lectured in the home of an actual employee of GUNDERSON STEEL FABRICATION. The wife of this high level executive called this meeting personally to make a public admission. In the meeting were OTHER GUNDERSON EMPLOYEES who had witnessed the prisoner boxcars in the higher than normal, three floor/three tier prisoner boxcars. She admitted that her husband finally told her that GUNDERSON WAS UNDER SECRET CONTRACT FROM THE US GOVERNMENT TO PRODUCE THESE PRISONER BOXCARS. She also admitted that Gunderson had a satellite factory for a boxcars with shackles operation in Texas. I called Col. Jim Ammerman in Texas, famous military Patriot-lecturer against martial law, and told him about this. He replied, “A friend of mine who is a metal welder called me recently, and said he had gone to apply for a job in offered in Texas for welding. When he was told that it involved WELDING SHACKLES INTO BOXCARS, he declined the job!” I later interviewed Russian immigrants in this area who admitted that some of their people were working at Gunderson, and one young man, Sasha, admitted working on prisoner boxcars and described them completely to his Russian Christian friends there. THE RUSSIAN COMMMUNITY NOW KNOWS ABOUT THEM AND IS VERY AFRAID OF THE IMPLICATIONS!!! Many Russians still work there. Another source, WATCHDOG, a retired military vet with a watchdog group, described yet another boxcar with shackles operation in New Hampshire, with three tiered boxcars fitted with shackles. Metal worker Lee Harrington also described 20,000 CHINESE prisoner boxcars with shackles and modern guillotines, in the form of 40 foot railroad containers, coming into America via the west coast. They were ordered by the American government through a Senator who visited China and ordered these items. Workers unloading them became suspicious and began to investigate and discovered these horrors from China. Such 40 foot cargo containers from China are now piled up along the West Coast, especially around Long Beach Naval Shipyard, turned over the Chinese. I receive constant reports across America regarding these types of prisoner boxcars from former radio listeners and Patriots across America…and Canada. Recently, a former high level satanist from the mountains of North Carolina, now a Christian and receiving discipleship, admitted that boxcars with shackles were indeed in the mountains of NC and waiting for the hour of martial law. (Asheville, NC) He warned that many Patriots and Christians arrested and secured into these prisoner boxcars under martial law will never even make it to the death camps..that many will be tortured and sacrificed once restrained in these prisoner boxcars.

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      • Anonymous

        whats most disturbing is the ‘truth’ behind it all. the above is just one piece to what was planned years & years ago……………………all in the name of ‘UFO’s’.

        • Anonymous

          what does UFO have to do with anything? please explain? the piece mentions “a US Senator” ordered these boxcars? if this story is true- why in the world would his name NOT be exposed here? and to all America? are you trying to protect him?? what are you afraid of? WHO WAS IT?

      • TheCovertPrepper

        I’m all for a good scare but this article is thin.

        One, it needs edited so it’s readable.
        Two, no links, no citations to follow, it appears to be a friend of a friend report – notoriously unreliable.

        Is this story possible or plausible, yes.

        Does it need more facts, yes.

        • Louis

          You are correct. A little editing goes a long way. Plus the use of triple exclamations points and triple question marks hardly constitutes quality writing. Sounds more like hysteria.

          Not even a sparrow falls from the sky without God’s permission. No mater what the future may hold, God remains in complete command of all creation at all times.

        • Busta Myth

          Who knows but there have been at least two times in Americas history where people have actually been caught planning to use concentration/extermination camps

          One was a NAZI one in 1933 and is well recorded in this interview with investigative Journalist Pat Buchanan


          The other was a COMMIE plan by the Weathermen Underground and Bill Ayes around the 1960/70′s this was also well recorded, I think it was on TV called 60 mins

          Larry Grathwohl on Ayers’ plan for American re-education camps and the need to kill 30 million people,

          Never say Never ! History has a bad habit of repeating!

      • ketabyte

        Actually those boxcars are built to haul cars. The vehicles are mounted vertically, hence the shackles. This is old stuff, and has already been passed through the looking glass. Stop believing everything you read then reposting it. I know your smarter than this, and i love you anyway.

        • Intelharvest

          I agree, this is recycled stuff from 2004. Note the style of writing. I’ve seen this style in other misinformation articles. One was about a separate memory chip in a laptop that the writer, an electrical engineer, wasn’t sure what it was. So he calls the company to find out and gets hung up on, gets threatened, etc. and insists that it’s an extra memory chip to track the users internet habits that software can’t block. Another one was the chemtrail letter of a man who just so happened to be a maintenance worker and fixes airplanes. Low and behold he comes across a canister near the fuselage and starts asking questions. He eventually gets threats from the union by leaving notes in his locker, telling him to stop asking questions, and his job’s in jeopardy.
          In all, it becomes 1) someone who is in a position to know something, makes their credentials knowns very early so that you assume that this person is an authority and knows what they’re talking about; 2) when confronted with something questionable the secret network turns on them and a variety of threats are made to conceal the evidence. This one is no different, and has similar characters. The evangelical ministers (this removes doubt that they are lying), the “patriotic” Colonel (to bring up a military authority and vouch for authenticity in some way), the welder who just so happened to work for the company who got the contract (this ‘proves’ the story without much questioning at this point because now there’s someone on the inside). If you put all three of these characters together, then you have a ‘provable’ story that doesn’t lack merit, because after all there’s a whole lot of names in this article with trades personnel mentioned to authenticate it, so how could it be wrong?
          It’s just well crafted, but it’s certainly not accurate.
          I’ve long wondered if these types of stories are used to track gullibility, and write bigger lies next time, and continue that until it comes time to write the ultimate lie in the end, or, it’s just a way to gauge what people will believe so they can further lie to us in the future with ease.

        • Anonymous

          Ketabyte: your words are thoroughly reassuring. thank you so much, I will sleep better. :grin:

      • Anonymous

        had saw films of the box cars and they were to haul cars……………..remember hearing in the early 80′s about all of it. true or false am not sure, but I do know this from experience. I do not trust them when it comes to the word ‘secret’, ther track record shows that ‘masters at the art of deception’ some are………………….

        • Anonymous

          the FEMA trains shown 3 stories high are NOT the same as the ones for cars. look at the window placement; completely different. did anyone else see guillotines inside the cars? that would be the smoking gun certainly.

          original author of these pieces was Pamela Schuffert

          • Knarlydawg

            The above shown rail cars are some of the newer triple decker auto racks or auto haulers. They are not FEMA prisoner rail cars. The smaller ventilation slats are to help keep weather, and debris off of the new autos. This Pamela Schuffert is the same person who claims to have so thoroughly researched the guillotine stories about certain individuals reporting seeing shipments of crates with packing labels stating that they were guillotines. Never any photos of these foreign made devices or the crates or the labels. Never any manufacturer names etc. I did a google picture search for guillotines and FEMA prisoner rail cars. For the rail cars there were no pictures of any prisoner configured rail cars, only various types of auto racks or auto hauler cars… and none with guillotines installed in them. Next I did the guillotine picture search, found no photos of anything that looked like it might be a modern designed, metal, heavy duty, rapid deployable device. Nothing even close. I did notice a lot of different types of :eek: shear machines designed for cutting everything from paper, plastics and all types of metals along with blades for these machines. These machines were also called guillotines. Well it is quite possible that some of these eye-witnesses actually saw shipping crates labeled “guillotines” on them and they were crates of those cutting shears [as we would call them in this country], which would be the most likely product to be coming to a military base or a manuacturer of metal products. Without good quality photos to substantiate the claims this story registers very high on the BS meter. :eek: :lol:

      • Anonymous

        experience???????????????????? the past months of chemtrailing being done directly above & even on cloudy days when the sun did not come out to say hi. how much more proof do some need that ‘things are not right’?

      • Anonymous

        I call bs on this. A boxcar is 50 feet long. If there were 102000 boxcars they would equal nearly 1000 miles in length. A mile is 5280 feet. Where are they? There are not 1000 miles of sidetrack in the US much less 1000 miles of remote sidetrack.

        • countryboyseein

          I agree that the story is BS, but your argument is hardly relevant since there are 233000 miles of track within the US.

          • Anonymous

            Yea, of track but of sidetrack? I don’t think your information taks anything away from my argument.

        • CointelKilla

          good point,just a different angle on things,I like it… all the other points about auto carriers….-..Hey,who posts this BS?please die…thanks…

      • Anonymous

        Lets ignore the fact that these are designed to haul cars for the moment, hence why they are parked up, there is a recession on you know? Why would anyone build them to transport people, and with a guillotine? lol. What a completely illogical load of nonsense. Is someone suggesting that in the event of a calamity, persons unknown would be shackled in these boxcars, and then beheaded? What, pray tell, would be the purpose of this exercise? You would simply end up with a pile of headless corpses in a boxcar, what is the point of doing that?
        There seems to be a tiny minority of US people, who are paranoid and maybe mentally ill for all I know, who spend their spare time doing nothing but publishing ‘warnings’ and ‘scares’. As to why they do this I have no idea whatsoever, as you would have to be a sandwich short of a picnic to even begin to believe them.

      • sten

        Those are car transporter boxes. Ya git some strange people in here.

      • Endthisnow!

        Wow….the FEMA boxcar/coffin rumor just won’t go away….kinda like Jimmy Hoffa….just recently they thought the found him buried in someone’s backyard…but it wasn’t him…..can this FEMA Coffin Rumor go on another 40 or 50 years also???????????/

        • ketabyte

          The coffins are real. And i don’t doubt the federal gov’t has prison trains ready to go, but this article is quoting unreliable information.

          • Maverick

            Yeah the coffins are real. Too bad FEMA doesnt own them, let alone have any thing to do with them.

            Spend an hour of research and find out for yourself.

      • Paveway III

        “…Metal worker Lee Harrington also described 20,000 CHINESE prisoner boxcars with shackles and modern guillotines, in the form of 40 foot railroad containers, coming into America via the west coast. They were ordered by the American government through a Senator who visited China and ordered these items…”

        Damn outsourcing! There are metal shops in the U.S. that need the work. Why can’t FEMA buy decent quality U.S.-made boxcars of death? I’ll bet half the guillotines don’t even work in that Chinese-made junk and many of the shackles have faulty welds. These things are a disaster waiting to happen!

        • Buckworth Jackson

          LOL thank, we need that! :twisted:

      • morris adams

        prepare for worst hope for best, what if its false, no harm. if its true, major harm(insert 3 exclamation points here) look, i don’t want to believe this, BUT, its all a possibility. if you have a cupboard full of food and prices go down, who cares!?!? all that happens is you have food. if prices triple, yea! you have food! what should concern each and every one of you is, IF it’s true, someone is taking these fckng contracts! you know the bullet thing (fema order, dhs) is true.
        what does it take? if you are on this site, you probably have an inclination that something is up.
        take it for what its worth. no one believes in God more than me, BUT, i sure aint putting all
        my eggs in that basket. I mean, why would he let it get this far if he was just gonna save us
        in the end? I DON’T KNOW. you should all assume that all of this is real then when it turns out
        to be BS, again, NO HARM. i know one thing, i aint getting on no train, nowhere. good luck folks, make sure to vote……….if you get that chance!

        • Knarlydawg

          The problem is, there is already too much BS disinfo out there mudding the waters as it is. Those of us that want the straight up truth don’t want to keep wading through the same old recycled BS as we struggle through the mountains of disinfo in search of those rare nuggets of real truth. Don’t just assume everything you read could be true. Prove that it is or isn’t then move on.

          • Endthisnow!

            Exactly Knarlydawg!!!! Just because someone can make a Youtube or shot some photo’s with a cellphone does not constitute actual factual real time events. FEMA is a big organization with chapters in every state….and who does not know someone serving in the military? If there were some real meat and potatoes to these type of stories after all these years, we’d have it.

            I have no problem with rumors…as long as they turn out to be true…lol! And I don’t understand how a website called “Before It’s News”….can host 90% content that is not actually news at all. A field reported is not going to report on events from 5 years ago…showing nothing but old footage. We need some real field eyes and ears that can prove creditably. Where are the FEMA defects that are willing to tell what is really going on if there is something going on? It would seem now that many Americans realize we are pivotally screwed, they’d be ready to talk, expose what we need to know doesn’t it?

      • TruthHurts

        it was 167,000 in 1996 and they’re called GUNDERSON STEEL

        get the facts straight

        you also didnt mention the guilotines

        • Maverick

          16 years and not one video has surfaced proving the existence of said “167,000″.

      • Knarlydawg

        I spent 15 years working for the Union Pacific R.R. in Wyoming, ending in 1988. I have read these same type articles and in fact have read these very same allegations that are in these articles, many years ago. In fact these above mentioned allegations are rehashes of what I read years ago. That being said, in all my years as a freight conductor for the U.P.R.R., I never once encountered any such rail cars. In fact all of the pictures I’ve ever seen supposedly depicting these notorious prisoner rail cars are always pictures of what are called “auto racks”. They are specially designed rail cars to transport autos and small to medium trucks. They are often double and now the newer ones are triple deckers, fully enclosed on all sides and ends to reduce possible damage from outside debris, storm & weather, vandalism and free loader hobo riders getting into them. The newer cars come with a semi perminant joint between each two, forming an articulating pair. These newer models are even more sealed up than earlier models. All models of these auto racks have chains welded or fastened in them to be used to lash the autos down during transport. Now I’m not saying that there are no FEMA PRISONER cars out there……what I am saying, is that for as long as this story has been cycling around out there [and yes this is the same old re-cycled story on it's way around again], I have never once seen a real, genuine picture or video of rail cars configured for prisoners, and never a legitimate photo or video of rail cars manufactured or delivered in the U.S. with guillotines in them. Also, if so many of these things are being seen all over the place why aren’t there literally hundreds of legitimate pictures and videos of these notorious rail cars? Like I said, all the the pictures & videos that I’ve seen for the past twenty five years have been of auto racks. Where’s the beef folks ???

      • Victord

        If there were any truth to this story there would be photos. You couldn’t hide something this big.

        • Anonymous

          There was a location close to a reservation mentioned.All we have to do is contact a member,and get a First American up there with a camera.No need for snicker doodles here. :smile:

      • Angelfire

        Geeeeessh……I got dizzy trying to read an article that is not properly edited and paragraped! :razz:

      • UUGG

        “As they were photographing mountain scenery, they decided to follow railroad tracks into the wilderness so as to not get lost. “…
        AND they didnt take any pics of the shackles??? Heard this story and the gillotines story many times… NEVER a single pic not ove the last 7 years I have been hearing these stories…
        I call 100% BS

      • john

        There’s a very interesting-looking 7000′ train with 50′ long, white-topped, identical cars just east of Ethridge,MT on my 8/11/2011 google map. The center of the train is at 48 degrees, 33′ 09.52″ and 112 degree, 04′ 26.94″ at 3558′ elevation. Can not tell which way it is headed, as there are darker cars at each end. BTW…the average railroad car is 75′ long.

      • Patricia

        What I would like to know, if this all true, why is there not more news journalists reporting the story. You know that American love drama and there should be more pictures. If is not true then it is a sad joke to play on the naive.

      • Room With a View

        Don’t just assume God is gonna save you. Those who are destined for the sword shall die by the sword, those who are destined for prison shall go to prison. Why should God save you if you don’t give a damm about his standards and principles. Are you really going to be able to look him in the eye and say that you are worth saving? Do you have a gun, would you shoot your neighbour if he entered your house illegally. If you have a taser, would you harm someone with it. Get real. Whether this story is true or not, your Government is no longer working for the interests of the american citizen, its destruction of other countries will only end up coming home to your own shores. When they run out of societies to destroy, they will start on their own, its what they do. Wake up sleepy heads. Be someone worthy of saving and you will have no fear. Jesus is the only man to have claimed to have the ability to save anyone. Regardless of what the government does, where does your life really spring from – society, or the immortal who gave you breath? Wake up and smell the roses, all these things are gentle reminders that we need to take stock of our individual practices before we can count on God Almighty to save us, regardless of what we are being saved from.

      • xlgmedium

        Why, with all the technology we have in our pockets there are no pictures or videos. I’m not saying this isn’t true and it would not surprise me if it is, but can someone you says they have seen these boxcars please pull out your phone & take a picture better yet a video.

      • RJ

        No references, no links, not worth the time of day.

        Do you have any idea how long it would take to manufacture 102,000 boxcars?

        Good grief people. we have more important issues to deal with.

      • kacklebarney

        Yet another story from the “Globe” of the iternet.

      • Goldbug36

        You know why people believe this stuff? Because nobody trusts the government anymore.

        • Maverick

          Nope, its because people are too lazy to research the topics in-depth for themselves, so they hang on to and regurgitate the fairy tales they read/hear.

          • BibBob

            How right you are! My email box is full of this crap. This one came from one of the WORST: Jack Bauer. His followers forward his nonsense without thinking. As one who had been involved with the so-called “patriots,” I have heard more than anyone’s share of the bull excrement.
            Whenever I reply with rebuttals, or ask for solid proof, the “patriots” get all huffy and accuse me of siding with the “government.”
            I have my issues with the alleged “government” but I am not about to waste my time, nor ruin my reputation by sending this unproven garbage.
            The average “patriot” relies on the other average “patriots.” as if the average “patriots” are incapable of being duped. This article [also in my email box nine times] is absolute proof the average “patriot” is just short of being an IDIOT.
            Wake up you guys!
            If you really are “We the People” [or will they argue about the capitalization?], wake up and reoccupy your EMPTY CHAIR. If your are the creators of the United States then start acting like such and occupy the chair of your office of “We the People.”

      • BORG

        While I think this story is great and informative, I do think names and links and pictures are more productive in informing the masses.

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      • Anonymous

        You need to visit the web site whatdoesitmean the massive dust storm the Midwest just had was 500miles wide at 60 miles an hour it destroyed the last of the top soil farmers where going to plant there winter wheat along with the never ending drought farm animals are starving there selling them all off to the markets what are you going to eat as meat later milk is about to go over 6 dollars a gallon I buy feed never in my time have I seen corn at10.99 a 50 pound bag never and will only rise

      • JayWill

        Before everyone screams pandemonium about the DHS buying all these rounds of Ammunition. Please take a step back and think for a second. Does anyone know how the government works and what kind of people work for Homeland security. If you do the mathematical formula. No one agent can carry all those rounds at once equally divided up. Most of that ammunition will not make it out of the warehouse or the armories if you know how the Federal government works.

        We all see the Federal Bureaucracy as bloated, inefficient and slower then a turtle. They have incompetent people who have no common sense. The Government Bureaucrats are the most anal retentive control freaks and they are full of them. They have power trips with their own. I have a feeling that most of those bullets will collect dust before they are distributed to the agents. The government has control freaks that will try to control there own just as much as they do the average citizen outside of government. It is the nature of the bloated beast.

        So when the agents are ready to deploy, they will have to submit paperwork and will have to account for every round used and have to return it in the manner it was issued. There will be much red tape and unnecessary paperwork. I really believe most of that ammunition will not be used because of an anal retentive bureaucracy who are incompetent and inefficient. I can see much needed ammunition being held up being distributed in the field because the agent did not dot ever I or cross every T. If they get issued rounds. It will very limited. Most of those rounds are not going nowhere.

        Putting over one billion rounds in the hands of an incompetent and inefficient group of people is a recipe for disaster for DHS because the slow moving bureaucracy distributing ammunition. There are plenty of example of government not getting necessary supplies to their agents in the field because of bureaucratic incompetence. Many bureaucrats will let all those bullets sit there on the shelf than get distributed because of their petty power trip.

        Yes I am concerned the US government purchasing all this ammunition. On the other hand we can count on incompetence in the bureaucracy to work in our favor keeping this ammunition in the warehouse going nowhere. DHS incompetence in the bureaucracy will be the downfall of the agency and the rest of the US government. Not Ron Paul supporters and 200 million gun owners.

      • JayWill

        Is the Government Bluffing the People with Puff Up Propaganda News to Scare the People Into Submission? Yes they are. This is not a well thought out response from the other side with confidence. This is a reaction of a system in panic that is ready to collapse because the US government cannot pay its bills because the tax base is gone to an economic depression. The Federal Reserve Bank cannot afford to print anymore money to make up the revenue shortfall because the dollar will be worthless which makes the government unable to fund itself.

      • mythbuster

        omg… these are triple decker rail cars for automobiles! These look like they belong to Honda.

      • mikesfreedomblog

        You people are so full of crap. you need to check your facts. show show some proof like the bid for the rail cars which would have been public, moron!

      • mikesfreedomblog

        aNYTHING FROM Pamela Shufert is suspect, the cunt is a christian trying to support the bible and its inane prophecies!

      • Truth ammo

        All of those witness’ and know one with a cell phone camera? I can’t believe that with all those that seen these cars, did not have a cell phone. If they did, then
        I have a hard time believing they could resist the temptation to record such a thing.

      • mikesfreedomblog

        Article originated with Pamela Shufert and she is full of the proverbial crap/. The government is going ton screw us, this is just not truth!

      • JackLong

        Im very experienced in the railroad industry. I work for a class 1 railroad and I can tell you this three tier boxcar is actually what they call a multilevel. Also called a bi-level or tri-level. These freight cars were designed with 2 or three tiers for driving automobiles on and off for shipping. They are pre installed with chains and straps for securing cars and trucks. I have personally seen these multilevels a million times and seen how they operate. The dont have doors on the side like regular boxcars. The big doors on the end of each car swing open and fold inside the unit. Then they take a big car ramp and place it at the end of the car. Then employees drive the new cars directly on multi level and walk out. Im not saying these cars couldnt be modified for shipping people, I just dont think these multilevels would be a good candidate for modification.

      • Anonymous

        RetiredRogue…… As in the days of Noah also will be the times towards the end of this age. Why did God destroy all men, women and children with the flood. Only Noah and his sons and the four wives lived through the great flood. As God said, in Gen chapter 6 verus 4 In the site of God Noah ””’WAS PERFECT IN HIS GENERATIONS”’ what does that mean”’ his blood line to Jesus Christ was not tainted””by Nephilim, Yes I said, Nephilim some are part of the 1% today in NWO, Google Nephilim. There from Satan, part of the blood line of satan and the MSM calls them ”’Aliens”” that will invade the world. People Revelation is HERE AND YOU BETTER GET READY FOR ALL HELL to brack loose in this earth between God and the devil……..Just sayn

      • Mark Webley

        This has to be a disinfo campaign. This story keeps popping up every 1-2 years on the Internet & was put on shortwave radio during the ’80s. People actually investigated this then & found car carriers when radio reports actually tracked the “Government Railcars of Death” town by town. As for the guillotines, this is AMERICA; We know how to kill or execute efficiently. Yeah, a truck on I-5 wrecked with a working guillotine going to a private collection. BFD. As much as I wouldn’t put anything out of reach of this government of ours, this ain’t one that passes the smell test or to cause man-up the gun mounts. Besides, where’s the logic in transporting cuffed prisioners even in a cattle car for execution? Kill on the spot just like they do cattle & hogs at slaughter houses. Air piston to the head & into a pit dug by a D-9, few bags of lime & another layer of bodies and so fourth; cover when full. Some of the best mass killers have done this same thing & we are still uncovering the mass graves to this day.

      • Amacha

        Let me get this straight. 100,000 + boxcars with shackles AND guillotines in each one. So, somebody loads hundreds of thousands of people into boxcars, shackles them and THEN cuts off their heads. Or maybe they cut off their heads and then shackles them, who knows. Maybe they just decapitate the ones that mis-behave, oh wait, they are shackled. So maybe they just cut off their heads if there are too many. And of course each car would need its own guillotine, they would not be able to share.

        AND this story has been around for years, so of course it must be true. they just need to have them around in case they need to decapitate and shackle, what, several million people. And they get them from China no less.

        Makes perfect sense, and very believable. LOL.

      • Patriot

        - Radical news!!
        I know of someone who’s trying to get intervention now from some officials due to having proof that several federal judges have been ignoring the Law & Constitution. In doing so, they allowed known perjurous testimony that was even unnotarized to be used in court to silence & put out a poor self-litigating plaintiff who brought a case against a rich NPO in the Houston area.

        One site,, shows proof of the perjury, the ignoring of many legal precedents, and that the labor board ruberstamped the case closed without ever questioning any employer witnesses! WOW!!

        Another site,, shows emails in which the man seems to be refusing orders to discriminate against men & blacks, with his employer then responding by trying to justify he commands. Yet, the courts then ran him out, using old, outdated law that has not been in effect for 20+ years! In fact, in1991, Congress had updated the civil rights Act to close those old loopholes, but the judges ignored the updated standards & ran the poor fellow out. He’s been living in tents for 4 years already, and is about 50 yrs old I think. Not a happy camper.

      • BibBob

        Yes! Certainly!!! the photograph is of a “box car” over 12-feet tall. Why so big? Perhaps it is to start its rounds in Los Angeles to gather up the Lakers and Cllippers, then work its way east after loading on the Bulls, Pistons and Cavaliers.
        Sheeeeeesh!!! This stuff has been going on since the 1990s with the Indianapolis Amtrak station/FEMA camp.
        Still no roundups. Why have the trains with the supertall “box cars” traveling all over the place for so many years completely empty?
        While it is very possible the corrupt in the US government may have plans to do evil things to the people, it is difficult to swallow every paranoid theory that “patriots” spread all over the Internet.
        PROOF! When you can show some distinct proof then post it. Until them, it is nothing more than crying “WOLF!”

      • crabby

        wonder if they’ll be TSA at boarding

      • Madmatt

        This is bullpuckey. Pure and stinky.

      • yantsome

        They use these boxcars to transport new cars and trucks all over the country.

      • Fred

        I doubt that these are carrying cars because the plackard on the corner is an explosives lable. These carry explosives and if they are near a naval base that makes a lot of sense if they are ready to ship explosives out or getting new in. When I shipped the bulk of the bombs and rickets out of NAS Key West we used trucks because there were no rail yards.

        Yall need to do more research before you spread BS. It may sell stories but in the end it just stinks.

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      • American Minuteman Patriot

        The American People need to obtain access and video/photograph docment the actual inside of these cars to PROVE that these truly are mass prisoner relocation concentration death camp railcars.

        If you see them, try to get up close and perhaps even inside of them to video/photograph.

      • Rosarito

        Space cadets, those are vandal resistant automobile carriers. AutoMax© is the trade name. Google AutoMax for more information.

        Articulated design allows for more automobiles to be carried per car, reducing the number required.

        Now I am sure this won’t dissuasive the tinfoil hat crew, but that is what these cars are actually used for.


        Why are there no pictures? 102,000 box cars. 145′ each. That is 2800 miles worth of something to hide. Where are they hiding all these cars? We are talking about a line of cars that is lined up end-to-end would stretch farther than Los Angeles to Savannah and not a single photograph.

        If the DHS was to hide these cars at 100 locations, they would have to find 280 miles of track for each of the 100 places. Certainly someone would have come across at least one of these cars and taken a photograph of the inside of it. Not a single photograph. (And I don’t mean the stock bullshit photos. I mean a clear photo of the inside of one – or more – of these cars).

        Well, they are behind fences. Ok. We are talking about enough fence to cross America twice. At least 6,000+ miles of fence. The fence companies would have had a field day.

        If the designers of this car gave each person three feet of space, each car would hold 300 people (which is a conservative estimate since only the outside of the cars would be used to chain people to). That would mean someone would have to weld 300 chains to hold the inhabitants if they were shackled on a single appendage. That is 30,000,000 welds. Where are all the people who have done the welding? I guess DHS kept them in concentration camps and then killed them when they were done welding the shackles. One post said they used children to do the welding. I guess they were pretty good by the time they were done.

        That is also 30,000,000 hand or foot cuffs. I guess GSA just bid that out to a firm is Bangor, Maine. Sure, they took the contract and didn’t think twice about. OR – it went out to a lot of small businesses under a ‘secret contract.’ These businesses produced their hundreds of thousands of shackles and never thought twice about it. The people who work at these businesses did the work – year in, year out and never thought twice about it. Odd, since they were shipping them to FEMA, or a ‘shadow company’ under a ‘secret contract.’ That is a lot of welding and a lot of manufacturing for no one to ever think that there is something odd about making millions of welds and millions of restraints.

        I Washington, a place that can’t keep a secret for ten minutes, this project with all its ‘secret contracts’ really stayed, well – secret!

        Did Gunderson manufacture these cars? They must have used thousands of workers who were sworn to silence under pain of death. The thing is, last year Greenbrier (who owns Gunderson) delivered 15,000 rail vehicles of all types. At that rate they would have had to use all their output for 6.8 years to complete this phantom fleet of 102,000 rail cars. They would have had to own a ‘secret facility’ to complete the manufacture of these rail cars. Since their manufacturing took a dive after 2009 (the recession) I would bet they would have liked the business. But I guess the Greenbrier 2012 Annual Report investor report is nothing but a government cover up (

        (Greenbrier Manufacturing Segment Report -
        Manufacturing revenue was $1.254 billion, $721.1 million and $295.6 million for the years ended August 31,2012, 2011 and 2010. Railcar deliveries, which are the primary source of manufacturing revenue, were 15,000 units in 2012 compared to 9,400 units in 2011 and 2,500 units in 2010. Manufacturing revenue increased $532.9 million, or 73.9%, in 2012 compared to 2011 primarily due to higher railcar deliveries as a result of increased demand and a higher per unit average selling price principally due to a change in product mix. Manufacturing revenue increased $425.5 million, or 144.0%, in 2011 compared to 2010 primarily due to higher railcar deliveries partially offset by a decline in marine barge activity and a change in railcar product mix with lower per unit sales prices.)

        Let me make an estimate for the price of these cars. At $50,000 per car it would have cost FEMA 5.1 billion dollars. I guess Bush and Obama just handed that money over.

        Also, if you transport 30,000,000 (oh, did I mention that 102,000 cars times 300 people per car equals 30 million – or around 10% of the population) in shackles, you have to transport them naked. Why? Because you would have to have an army just for unchaining people who needed to defecate. So, they would have to be unclothed because they would need to go where they sit. Then, once they got to their destination, you would have to use precious water to hose down the cars. Also, you would not be able to transport in the winter areas during winter months. You would also have to keep track of their clothes (unless they were just going to stay naked or you were going to kill them right after they got off the train).

        These Americans DHS is going to transport. They aren’t going to be like the Holocaust victims. You put these people on a train filled with shackles and they KNOW what is going to happen. They aren’t going to stand idly by and walk to their deaths. That means there is going to be a lot of killing before and after the transportation. Remember Flight 93. So, you are going to need a lot of Americans who are willing to kill women and children. Lots of them. What I hear from my right wing friends is the people who will fall in line will be people dependent on the government. That is a code for ‘people of color.’ They are just animals anyway, so why wouldn’t they be willing to kill women and children to hold on to their food stamps and welfare?

        When they transported arrive, I don’t know what you would do with the people. They would be covered in shit. Disease would be rampant. The guards would have to be wearing coveralls and using breathers. The stench would be beyond belief. Also, would they feed these people? Would they provide water? After a few days the guards would be carrying people out of the cars.

        It would make more sense to simply use the cars as rolling jail cells and leave the transported loose and not chained down. The shackles don’t make a bit of logistic sense.

        But the people who dreamed this up thought the shackles would scare people more. Either way, the shackles make no sense at all. I mean if you are selling fear, chains make more noise.

        Will DHS feed any of these people? You would need tons of food to move 30,000,000 people. How would you feed them? They would be chained down. I guess you could leave a pile of food at one and of each of the 3 floors and it would get passed around. But, since there’s no way to use the bathroom, it would be easier to go without the food.

        The next question is why do you want to move 30,000,000 at one time? That is close to the population of California (38 million in 2012). What are going to do, move them to Mexico and leave them there (that’ll teach them for sending us millions of illegals)? Or – will the DHS move 30,000,000 people somewhere and kill them? Maybe that is why they need all those coffins (which aren’t really coffins – even if you thought they are). You don’t bury 30,000,000 people. You burn them.

        Where are all the cars? 3,000 miles worth of cars… Where are they? There is not a single photograph of one of the inside of these cars. There is not a person who worked on them who has stepped forward. Every person in America has a digital camera on their person. Where are the photographs? And while I am at it, where are the photos of the guillotines that are on each of the cars? I mean they are making them in Asia and sending them (under ‘secret contract’) to the states for use on this 3,000 mile fleet of phantom rail cars.

        Funny how there is so much of this (hundreds of thousands and miles and miles of proof out there) and all of it is secret and not a single person has produced a single shred of evidence that this fleet exists. Funny how I know people who have a answer for all of this. The answer doesn’t make sense, but it is an answer from a patriot and that should be enough. It isn’t. The thing isn’t that this story is a lie. It is. The thing is why do ‘God fearing Christians’ have so much invested in it being true?

        You call yourselves patriots? You look like liars to me. This lie has been floating around since 2004. It is time for it to stop. A lie, is a lie, is a lie.

        And this ladies and gentlemen, is a lie

      • dawnzo

        I have seen at least 20 of these cars in Brownsville Oregon, Then the other day they moved them closer to Eugene? What the hell is going on? What are the Governments plans for us?

      • Ideas Time

        You think you are safe, your not. Get it?

      • RickMAC

        These are auto carriers and I’ve seen them hauling cars many times. See description and pictures here ->

        Additional information can be found on my pinterest board

      • srsly1

        Since this was necro’d from the past, I have to laugh. How’d these boxcars work out for ya? You’re still preaching that fear porn today, the same as four years ago.

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