EDITOR NOTE:
The Earl of Stirling always brings a different perspective to economics and politics. His take on the Syrian war being ginned up by the Obama administration is backed with a solid analysis of weaponry and tactics.
FROM EARL OF STIRLING’S EMERGENCY BLOG POST
The Obama Administration preparing to sacrifice four US Navy guided-missile destroyers and their crews to begin a War on Syria
The United States is clearly preparing a cruise missile strike on Syria using Tomahawk long-range missiles. It is doing this with the full knowledge that any such attack is apt to be suicidal for any surface ship that launches such an attack or is in the range of Russian Onyx and Iskander missiles. That is why it has moved all super-carriers and assault carriers out of the Eastern Mediterranean Sea. In the past post-WWII Mideast wars the US Navy always gathered several super-carriers and other smaller flat-tops in the war theater just before hostilities but not this time. The Navy knows that they are not survivable against the latest Russian firepower.
The four USN guided-missile destroyers, that the Obama Administration is planning to sacrifice are: The USS Mahan, the USS Gravely, the USS Barry, and the USS Ramage. There are several thousand American men and women who serve on these ships who may be lost at sea in a new Middle East war that Americans overwhelming do NOT want.
The Onyx SS-N-25 (P-800 Oniks) is sometimes called the Super-Sunburn (SS-22). It is arguably the fastest (hypersonic) anti-shipping missile on Earth. It is so fast that it could sink a destroyer sized warship just from its terminal impact speed, even if it did not have a massive warhead (which it does). The Iskander SS-26 (9K720) missile is in a class by itself, having been designed to kill American anti-missile batteries. Its speed is at least Mach 6 to Mach 7 but some credible reports list it as Mach 8! Additionally, the Syrians have access to the Russian advanced VA-111 Shkval class of underwater missile/supercavitating torpedo and its Iranian copy the Hoot (Whale). These travel underwater at 220 MPH or so and are almost unstoppable, and can be launched from ship, sub, aircraft, or shore.
The British Royal Navy and Royal Air Force is also planning to join in the cruise missile strike, as is the French Air Force and perhaps elements of its Navy. The Brits will be using a Trafalgar-class submarine to launch their cruise missiles and are not expected to place a surface ship in danger. The RAF is expected to use the RAF airbase at Akrotiri in Cyrpus and the French may use a Middle East airbase. That leaves the American surface sailors out on a very dangerous limb, as well as American airmen in Turkey. The theory that is employed, may be, that Americans will get their ‘blood up’ if a thousand or so US sailors are killed by the Syrians (in response to a US attack) and this will empower the Administration to expand the war to Iran, Syria’s military ally.
If you are an American and have any loved ones on one of the US Destroyers, or know anyone who does, or simply cannot stand the idea of more unnecessary American deaths in Middle East wars, contact your Congressman’s office and your US Senator’s office this weekand demand that we not go to war yet again.
Tim Earl of Stirling
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is dod ordering extra body bags for this conflict?
“The theory that is employed, may be, that Americans will get their ‘blood up’ if a thousand or so US sailors are killed by the Syrians”
Q: Who is drawing first blood?
A: the Obama Administration.
Q: Who does not want this attack to take place?
A: “Americans overwhelming do NOT want”
Q: What is at stake?
A: The four USN guided-missile destroyers, that the Obama Administration is planning to sacrifice are: The USS Mahan, the USS Gravely, the USS Barry, and the USS Ramage.
Q: How many Americans want this war?
A: “Americans overwhelming do NOT want.”
Maybe the USS Barry is not going to be the only USS Barry sacrificed in an illegal attack against a nation that is no threat to the USA and its citizens. Maybe this will be the final straw which Americans need to demand Barry Soetoro/Barack Obama/Barry Obama/Sobarka/ shows his credentials to be the president of the USA and make life and death decisions about our nation and its citizens.
We can only HOPE it’s not.
HOPEium changes nothing, courage and direct action do. Refuse UNCONSTITUTIONAL ORDERS PERIOD
Won’t it be a bit obvious. Everyone knows the banker class wants this really bad.
No.
The SS-N-25 is a SUBSONIC antiship cruise missile.
The P-800 that you reference is another missile entirely and has a top speed of MACH 2.6.
The “Sunburn” missile (SS-N-22) is yet ANOTHER missile…with a top speed of MACH 3.
I don’t know where in the heck you’re getting your info, but do us all a favor and step away from the keyboard. You’re lowering the IQ of the entire internet.
P-800 :
Weight 3,000 kg (6,614 lb)
Length 8.9 m (29.2 ft)
Diameter 0.7 m (2.3 ft)
Warhead 300 kg (661.4 lb)
Engine Ramjet using kerosene liquid fuel
Wingspan 1.7 m (5.6 ft)
Operational
range 120 to 300 km (74.6 to 186.4 mi) depending on altitude
Flight altitude 10 meters or higher[2]
Speed Mach 2.5
The other, unrelated SS-N-22 was the Raduga P-270 Moskit. It was ramjet-propelled (though launched by a small solid-fuel rocket), and was carried by later-model Sovremenny class destroyers, Tarantul class corvettes, and several smaller warships. This weapon has a top speed of Mach 3.[1] The high speed of the missile means a typical response time for the target of only 25 to 30 seconds, giving a target little time to react. Moskit can be armed with a warhead of 320 kg.
It’s pretty obvious that @Anonymous was correct.
You couldn’t possibly be “CAPTAIN RANKED!” if you didn’t know that information
Do the math everybody, Mach 2.5 is pretty fast:
1903 MPH
31.71 miles per minute
0.5286 miles per second
Not a lot of time to react.
Max range of 186 miles reached in 5.86 minutes
You are 99.9% correct. MY understanding is that the P-800 is Mach 2.5, not 2.6 .
@DARKSIDE099 Is clearly wrong either way, MACH8 is obviously incorrect.
I don’t know where they get their info, but no “CAPTAIN RANKED!” officer would be so explicit and rude, nor provide such incorrect information. Of course, unless they are ranked by their mother in her basement, and he plays Battle Ship instead.
Either way, you were right Anon, nice job.
No worries. Call me Riceman. I’ve been skulking around BIN for awhile and I like fear porn as much as the next guy…but sometimes…I just gotta step in when the stupids get a little over zealous on their keyboards. MACH 8? Geez.
Good call on the numbers guys. However, as you pointed out, these ships can’t be defended, and they keep building them. For example, In the Millenium Challenge War games, the Iranians sank the whole Fifth Fleet. The following is from Voltaire.net
Millennium Challenge Wargames
The “Millennium Challenge” was one of the largest wargames ever conducted and wargames involved 13,500 troops spread out at over 17 locations. The wargames involved heavy usage of computer simulations, extended over a three week period and cost $250 million. Millennium Challenge involved asymmetrical warfare between the U.S military forces, led by General William Kernan, and an unnamed state in the Persian Gulf. According to General Kernan, the wargames “would test a series of new war-fighting concepts recently developed by the Pentagon.” Using a range of asymmetrical attack strategies using disguised civilian boats for launching attacks, planes in Kamikaze attacks, and Silkworm cruise missiles, much of the Fifth Fleet was sunk. The games revealed how asymmetrical strategies could exploit the Fifth Fleet’s vulnerability against anti-ship cruise missiles in the confined waters of the Persian Gulf.
In a controversial decision, the Pentagon decided to simply ‘refloat’ the Fifth Fleet to continue the exercise which led to the eventual defeat of the Persian Gulf state. The sinking of the Fifth Fleet was ignored and the wargames declared a success for the “new war-fighting concepts” adopted by Gen. Kernan. This led to Lt General Paul Van Riper, the commander of the mythical Gulf State, calling the official results “empty sloganeering”.
The only country to actually hit AND confirmed sunk by the US navy in war games is Australia.
A US aircraft carrier within a full CAG setup and other protections and the aircraft carrier was sunk with out hitting any other ships and the Australia’s got in and out of the area undetected by the whole CAG.
Just because you Prestiged in Call of Duty doesn’t make you a real soldier.
The wiki links are at the bottom of the article. They completely validate Riceman’s info. These weapons are a threat, but why exaggerate the capabilities? My guess is lazy or stupid….
In light of the fact that the old silkworm technology was plenty capable of sinking the whole fleet, I’d give him a pass on his numbers. Suffice it to say near Mach 3 will get the job done quick enough.
Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerers of death’s construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds… Oh Lord yeah!
Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor, yeah
Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait ’till their Judgment day comes, yeah!
Now in darkness, world stops turning
Ashes where the bodies burning
No more war pigs of the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of Judgment, God is calling
On their knees the war pigs crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings
Oh Lord yeah!
BLACK SABBATH War Pigs
Very nice.. I would follow that up with 2 Minutes to Midnight from Iron Maiden
These are old ships that are manned by skeleton crews. It would be unfortunate if they go down, but it would not be a major loss to the Navy.
send in the aircraft carrier J P Morgan..
All Middle class Americans, Russians, Syrians, Iranians and rest of middle class and poor humanity will die…who cares what technology they use…They use to kill humans with just bow and arrows for 1000s of years manipulating us…to fight each other..
Whay is it that hard for humanity TO JUST WALK AWAY from all this….what you loose…nothing…in the extreme you have your soul back even if you die from hunger without the army job…but its impossible…if you would die for what is right
Remember the time…
Jul 15, 10:58 AM (ET)
By MATT MOORE
JERUSALEM (AP) – A missile fired by Hezbollah, not an unmanned drone laden with explosives, damaged an Israeli warship off Lebanon, the army said Saturday. Elite Iranian troops helped fire the missile, a senior Israeli intelligence official said.
One sailor was killed and three were missing.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/hezbollah-hit-israeli-ship-with-iranian-missile#.Uh2AxT-rvAw
War is changing again. The Navy resisted the death of the battleship, and now they are resisting the death of the aircraft carrier, but it’s here. You cannot protect these big ships. Adapt or die.
Friends,
Where are our legislators? This action is contrary to our Constitution!
This plus Japan’s nuclear leaks plus planned simulated huge attacks on in Region 3 plus, plus
We need a Holy Spirit revival and I best start with us.
He would look bad. But being Muslim, he does not really care. (if he looks bad to us infidels)
He only wants to get his Muslim agenda done. That is what he is in there for.
His handlers know it, they wanted him to do their dirty work for them.
Clintons, Bushes, they never could have done all this themselves. The mulatto Muslim ‘american’ boy is useful, a very stupid, vile, useful tool.
He was so uncomfortable during the prayer yesterday. He looked almost like he was crossing his fingers. He was probably praying under his breath to Allah, for blessings in this deceit he perpetrates upon Americans.
He wears that ring which has Arabic script on it, saying, ‘There IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH’
That man, speaking at our people pretending to love equality and fairness, being a Muslim, is an insult, our punishment, for allowing the others to put him in there. We will reap the whirlwind, for this.
Muslims over us? Taking down our Constitution? The Satanists before him were not doing it fast enough?
Obama doesn’t want to go to war with anyone