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July 17 2014

And says it never took off and was CANCELED. Is this “shoot down” really the disposal of flight 370? I am trying to figure this out, but something seems to be amiss.Malaysia airlines MH17 777 flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpoor shot down at border between Ukraine and RussiaA malaysian jet flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was shot down by either Russia or Ukraine. Obviously the press is mum about a shootdown, but it is all to obvious and if Russia shot it down, I do not think they would be mum. FULL STORY HERE this could end up being big.
And speaking about false flags, remember that Flight 370 clone in Tel Aviv? and do not forget about the 777 that was stopped by the Dutch from crashing the nuclear summit right after flight 370 vanished, as this web site predicted was likely to happen.Missile system identifiedThe jet was shot down by a BUK missile. The American press is being quick to blame Russia, but is failing to mention that Ukraine had a large supply of these. And that says a lot – it pretty much proves that 1. The Ukraine uprising had American/Israeli roots and that 2. the real goal is war with Russia, after all if it was not, why struggle to blame them?
Video of smoke from crashInteresting tidbit – Planes first flight was on July 17 1997 and was shot down on the anniversary of TWA flight 800 . . .
McCain: ”HELL TO PAY” if plane shot downSure a lot of debris from this Malaysian airlines flight. Why so little for flight 93 in Pennsylvania?

Usually the media will scrub body pics from crash photos, not true with this photo and I beg to question why? These types of photos in crashes never make it out, and I have now confirmed multiple news sources are posting these. WHY NOW? The media is quick to blame Russia for this, but I doubt it was Russia when this plane was shot 50 miles inside of Ukraine. But then again what about those three Israeli teens? This could be “useful” . . . . .

Unconfirmed but interesting: Air traffic controller claims plane was being escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets right before shoot down. This is unconfirmed, but worth adding to the mix.When so much is “known” about what went on so soon after any event, a false flag is virtually guranteed. With Russia already being blamed in the MSM, I suggest people consider a different culprit.
Here is a quote from a forum that says it all:“The debris is still smoking, and the liar MSM has ALL the answers already? (including the type missile “used”?). How? Again: HOW? Fox News was there??

The truly stupid dupe here is YOU swallowing the MSM bullshit hook, line and sinker. Obviously, you are utterly unable to THINK; you stick your stupid face on the TV screen and swallow all the garbage coming through, without an ounce of critical thinking.”
I agree exactly. The reporting has all the hallmarks of 911 reporting, where the “target” was named and convicted on DAY ONE. THAT is the biggest indicator that this was indeed a false flag.


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    • iamamerican

      You obviously not calling me stupid because I don’t watch the lame stream media.

    • Warren

      This fits with the earlier report of ‘pristine’ passports found in the burned out wreckage and (reportedly) mangled bodies at the crash site. The passports were delivered to the crash site by other means, to be found there.

      A continuation of the MH370 mystery? Like it wasn’t complicated enough before!

      • mask

        yes the passports in false flags always magically survive

        • agentlead

          In such pristine condition no less.

        • Earl Scheib

          I was in a fiery plane crash several years and my passport looked brand new when I found it

        • ecclesiatical

          Passports don’t need oxygen to stay pristine,humans do,its no magic a passport survives,since we normal people tend to put it in the safest possible place.Some of the victims still have good conditioned clothes on.
          Where do you leave yours?
          From the pictures i`ve seen,if they are authentic,most of the bodies are intact which means that they died from the fall and the lack of oxygen combined.

        • StraightDopes

          Earl – but only after you paid yourself $99.95 ?


        • Gil Carlson

          Passports are made out of asbestos!

        • CrowPie

          “Passports are made out of asbestos!”

          (Pssssssst….that means they won’t readily catch fire.)

        • Nunya

          Lol…that’s true! I never thought of that!

    • Paul Gilbert

      to say the plane never took off or flew over Ukraine and never crashed there and the plane parts were carried there ,,HELLO anyone home !!! people started to lick the windows early on this One

      • StraightDopes

        i think you’re totally missing the point.

        no one is even asserting that there’s no plane crash, or that the wreckage was “carried there.”

        they are noting the inconsistency of a reputable flight tracking site saying that this particular flight was cancelled.

        • Aerodynamic14

          I have absolutely no opinion here until more facts come out but I’d like to note that FlightRadar24 is NOT a reputable flight tracking system. It’s a free or low cost app used for leisure purposes. FlightAware- on the same par with FlightRadar24- shows the opposite- that MH17 landed at WMKK on 7-17.
          In the aviation industry, we use programs that cost a fortune to track aircraft and they’re not always accurate either.
          Whatever the story turns out to be here, I wouldn’t put many marbles into the FlightRadar24 bag. I bang my mouse daily at zillion dollar software telling me something is airborne when it’s still sitting on a ramp somewhere in New York State. :???:

        • omgjuststop

          When a plane crashes or is otherwise destroyed after its departed, they list the flight as “canceled”. Its very common practice, as there is no “crashed” or “blown-up” entry on the arrivals/departure board in the airport :|

          A lot of passports survived because the plane split apart, it wasn’t engulfed in flames immediately. Some bodies are on top of the wreckage because they wreckage fell out from under them and landed before the passenger/corpse did. Thats called physics.

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    • Before It Was All Pop Ups

      Passports can easily survive a crash in an open field – and in pristine condition. .

      • Paul

        The question is not how passports can stay brand new but WHY ALL OF THEM SO CUTE BRAND NEW. It seems that all of it was typed couple days ago… also there is intresting fact that you can search all those people in FaceBook and… all account have one photo and was created 21 april 2013 — realy strange…

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    • Anonymous

      Without any investigation they blame Russia. They eager to start WW3.

      • Anonymous

        IMHO I think I would blame first HAMAS. Second Assad. Third Maliki. Fourth Kim Ul whatever from North Korea. Simple! :wink: :wink:

    • HeartOfAdelaide

      ..I’ll let you know from my Uncles funeral that it was a false flag, until then, keep swimming in your theories.

    • MileHiLife

      I agree. I was watching FAUX News as the story broke, and I swear within 10 minutes Geraldo was blaming Putin. I found it incredibly distasteful, and highly doubtful, that he could have enough info at that point to make such bold, inciting claims.

      This “event” was orchestrated and just like 9/11 the MSM were well aware of what was coming — scripts at the ready. So transparent, they’re obviously losing the war of information and slipping due to it. The MSM are complicit in these crimes and will be held accountable.

      • TIME

        Dear MHL,

        You just hit the bloody nail on the head when you noted the “Orchestrated” Event, some may even use the word: “Scripted” – as in not unlike a cheep B grade movie.

        And all this “Scripting” is how the special people plan on taking away everyone who’s not them, internet freedom, for the people of America, the 1st Amendment, note who’s been taking about that over the last few years.

        After all no one should be able to question the “Compliant Talking Monkey Faces.” That dispense the daily dose of Bovine Waste, 24 hours per day – 7 days per week – 365 days a year, and all in just 20 second sound bites, so that the mindless mass of sheep can digest all these complicated events with ease, oddly this is what William Randolph Hearst also called NEWS.

        Peace Shalom

        • StraightDopes

          i’d bet you don’t even really work for TIME.


    • wakeupsheeple

      It definitely took off actually at 12 o’clock, I actually have seen this on a passengers facebook page. Also, these are definitely mostly dutch passenger. Since Holland is not that big, there are loads of people knowing the passengers. I myself am from Amsterdam, so Being close to the airport you do hear and see things that are not fake! The passengers are very real and very much normal people that died, incl. children .As for the MH370 , I cold not tell if this would have been that particular airplane, I assume it’s not since it doesn’t make sense using it for a normal civilian flight. If ever, it would be used for totally different purposes, no matter, what and who has taken it down. Why use an anonymous flight just to kill passengers for the purpose of (for example) igniting a war! That doesn’t make sense at all! The passports I’ve seen being shown are from real passengers on that flight. I does make me question however how they collected those all so fast in perfect shape. But the passengers are very real, it seems like everyone here knows someone that was on that flight.

      • StraightDopes

        wakeupsheeple – for WHATEVER reason, WAS reporting the flight yesterday as being CANCELLED (i cliked the link earlier when i first saw it noted in this article). it is NOW reporting no data for that particular flight. no matter how you look at it, this is terribly odd.

        how can you – or anyone else, really – possibly know that the purported passengers are dead AT ALL, never mind that they died on the aircraft, at the location specified? if you are willing to concede that something OTHER than the official account happened to the previous Malaysian Air flight, and its passengers, then why in the world would you feel comfortable accepting the official account -inasmuch as there IS one, as of now – THIS time?

        something’s definitely up here, and i try not to instantly jump on the “conspiracy bandwagon” the second someone starts noting supposed inconsistencies.

        this whole story stinks, top to bottom. Michael Rivero of WRH is drawing a parallel between this event and the sinking of the Lusitania. i think that is likely a proper comparison.

        did you hear christine lagarde’s off-the-wall, wacky, numerics-ridden speech?

        she’s bringing up WW1 in that speech. the Lusitania is what prompted the U.S. involvement in WW1

        • wakeupsheeple

          I have no doubt something is off, yet when seeing the awful video with bodies that could be seen in the face and not just one, a lot!! It looked very dutch, yet that this is an attempt to ignite a war , I have no doubt about that either. As for the cancelled flight, that was the 9am flight that has been cancelled indeed, not this particular flight which departed at 12.10 pm.

        • rankingdread

          130 days from mh370 going missing until july 17th.

    • StraightDopes is NOW reporting “no data” for the flight MH17.

      i went there myself when i first saw this article earlier today and i can attest to the fact that it reported the flight yesterday, the 17th, as being CANCELLED.

      i’m sure someone took screenshots of it.

      • WeBeDoomed

        If the flight is never going to arrive at its destination it will be marked as ‘CANCELLED’ :roll:

    • StraightDopes

      one more thing:

      IF Rusisia was the party responsible for shooting down MH17, WHY IN THE WORLD would they have done it 30 something miles into UKRAINIAN territory, thereby allowing the Ukrainian authorities to be the ones responsible for securing the crash site, and controlling access to it???????


    • StraightDopes is back to reporting that the flight was cancelled.

      this time i took a screenshot, in case it comes down again. i think everyone else should do the same.

    • Patriot Games

      Maybe we just found MH370 ???
      A false-flag to start a war with Russia?

      The globalist scum would NEVER run a false-flag op, right?

    • FarmerX

      Sounds about right.

    • omatron

      Here is another logical arguement to consider if it is not purged. Russian BUK batteries could not have taken down MH17 from Russian soil. Wirh a maximum (albeit) altitude range of 82,000 ft, and being 50 miles from the border, a reserve fuel capacity of 50,000 ft (or a little under 10 miles), even considering an arcing trajectory, means the lateral trajectory component requirement of 50 miles, (statute) could not have been met within BUK design limits. Employing the Pythagorean Principle, a straight line trajectory would require a 50.36 mile range and this would be the shortest theoretical range to target.

      • StraightDopes

        ahh – a true “proof,” in the mathematical sense :grin:

    • YouGuysAreIdiots


    • YouGuysAreIdiots

      It’s marked Cancelled because it crashed. Idiots.

      • CrowPie


      • StraightDopes

        well, i’d imagine that crashing is a TYPE of “cancellation,” in a loose sense of the word…

        i’m trying to look up a recent crashed airliner on, to see if it ALSO reads “cancelled,” instead of some more accurate descriptor, like “CRASHED,” but it doesn’t seem to go back for enough to look up, say ETH702′s crash back in February of this year.

        maybe you or someone else can help, and locate the data from another crashed flight on that website?

        it would be worthwhile to see if you’re right, and that site refers to crashed planes as “cancelled” (which seems inaccurate, to say the very least)

        • CrowPie

          I’m sure the airline would prefer (like you) that the arrivals/departures board read -CRASHED.

          Not tacky at all.

        • StraightDopes

          crowpie – it’s ACCURATE to say it CRASHED. it’s extremely INACCURATE to say it was “cancelled.”

          i’d have a very hard time believing that the airline – or anyone else – would prefer that it was referred to as “cancelled.” THAT would seem FAR tackier, as a matter of fact.

        • CrowPie

          While ‘crashed” might be accurate…….it’s highly insensitive to the many families who lost loved ones. Why rub salt in the wound?

          Oh I forgot…..your a conservative with the moral high horse….that needs to dictate even the difference between the words “Crashed” and ‘Cancelled.”

          Is that all you have to grumble about, today?

        • StraightDopes

          crowpie – i

          1.) who’s “grumbling”?
          2.) you’re a bit off on my political persuasion
          3.) i wasn’t the one who started debating the meaning/connotations of those words. someone else suggested that “cancelled” was some sort of a… euphemism? for CRASHED, and for all i know, they’re right. i can’t seem to locate another “cancelled” (read: crashed) flight on that website, so i’ve nothing to compare this flight to. maybe you can help…

          …or just “grumble” :wink:

        • CrowPie

          A typical response to someone who has been called on their callous behaviors and expectations.

          1. deny that your were splitting hairs and grumbling in your dislike.

          2. point the finger at the person who called you on your behavior.

          Whether your a conservative or not……your disbelief of every tragedy and subsequent accusations make you a fine ostrich. You should consider joining the tea party.

          Their moto is, “It’s not real unless we say it is.” :lol:

        • StraightDopes

          crowpie –

          this time, your response was so off the wall that i don’t even know how to respond, but i’ll briefly try:

          you’re accusing ME of “splitting hairs,” when it was YOU who initially stated that you believed that “cancelled” is the new, more tactful way of saying “crashed.”

          you THEN say that I’M the one “pointing fingers,” when all i did was concede that yes, in the Orwellian world we live in these days, where the very meaning of commonly used and understood words seems subject to frequent and arbitrary change, “cancelled” MAY INDEED MEAN “crashed,” but i had no way of making a comparison with another plane crash on that site, as it doesn’t seem to go back far enough.

          there’s an axiom that i go by: “the ones who make you feel guilty, are the ones who have the most to feel guilty about, and they’re usually guilty of the very thing they accuse you of.”

          i take your reply in the spirit of that axiom. :grin:

        • CrowPie

          Let us re-examine your initial comment.

          “”well, i’d imagine that crashing is a TYPE of “cancellation,” in a loose sense of the word…

          i’m trying to look up a recent crashed airliner on, to see if it ALSO reads “cancelled,” instead of some more accurate descriptor, like “CRASHED,” but it doesn’t seem to go back for enough to look up, say ETH702′s crash back in February of this year.

          maybe you or someone else can help, and locate the data from another crashed flight on that website?

          it would be worthwhile to see if you’re right, and that site refers to crashed planes as “cancelled” (which seems inaccurate, to say the very least)”"

          Now …..if that is not proof… black and white…….of your search for conspiracy theory and or grumbling and splitting hairs over the use of the airlines choice of vocabulary……then I don’t believe you to be capable of self examination or real self awareness.

          And since the axiom you referred to is used globally…….you won’t be surprised if it is used against your very own choice of behavior/words.

        • CrowPie

          And BTW…..why wouldn’t the airline “cancel” the arrival of a crashed plane? So in that respect….the use of the word canceled is “extremely” ACCURATE.

        • WeBeDoomed

          StraightDopes, just admit that your argument was bogus and you got owned by CrowPie (she’s one smart cookie) :mrgreen:

        • CrowPie

          Thanks WeBeDoomed!

    • Putin said the people who should be blamed for the tragedy are the people who’s land was above at the time it was shot down. Didn’t Putin accept the land as part of Russia which is what the US was fighting them about. Is he stating that he is to blame?

      • StraightDopes

        no, Russia makes no claim to Ukrainian territory. the current conflict – from the Russian perspective – is about protecting the aspiration and lives of ethnic Russians who desire to secede from Ukraine.

    • Ideas Time

      This is clearly another false flag and it is now being reported the plane was filled with dead people. Hard to cover that up for long.

      I loved all the passports in perfect condition. How convenient. They just want to get the war started to cover up the financial collapse caused by the banksters.

    • Wake Up America or DIE!

      How stupid and naive do these global elites think we are? Jewish arrogance will be their downfall, just as it was for the Nazis!

      After the world was duped through 9/11, it must take a complete idiot to not see the striking “false flag” signatures and similarities in the MSM reports, and the immediate blaming of Russia (in under 24hrs), as an obviously scripted pretext to ferment a WWIII with Russia by the elites to cover their inevitable global economic collapse, the collapse of the US Dollar, and hide any blame, (through destroyed records), from being pointed at the true creators of all wars, the elite Jewish bankers!

      IMO, Ukraine re-directed the flight. Ukraine military fired the missile on command from their CIA “handlers”, (aka; Israeli elite bankers) in order to blame Russian rebels, and Russia to give the elites their much needed WWIII.

      The international calls for transparent investigation into “who’s to blame”, whilst at the same time major World leaders pre-judge (prejudice), and openly blame Russia, smacks of a scripted false flag.

      Russia is being blamed for providing the rebels with the missile/s.
      Why just stop at blaming Russia? Why not blame the US Govt, Obama, Nuland & CIA for destabilizing Ukraine in the first place? Or even go one step further, and properly blame Israel and the Jewish bankers for their control of the puppet US Govt & CIA, and their obvious need to ferment WWIII and their NWO!

      It’s high time the world put the blame where it belongs, squarely at the Global elite bankers! And we’d better do it while we still have the right to “freedom of speech”!

      Fool us once……fool us twice? I THINK NOT!

    • SGde3a

      Betcha UN will investigate. MSM will say they already decided it was Russias fault before they release the UN report, then MSM will not release the acutal report findings showing the truth about it. It will go quiet then they will go do another false flag. Same as Syria, and no one is holding NATO reposnible…They won’t even hold proper talks at the UN.

    • Doccus

      Verified by the MSM:
      1) Flight MH17 was cancelled. so who took off that day?
      2) The rebels that obtained the black box swore there was 3 day old rotting corpses lying there.
      3) there is clear photographic evidence of the plane exploding but none of it falling to ground, furthermore, the camera was trained precisely on the location it exploded before it exploded.
      4) the recorded transcript between the rebels and the comanders was created on the 16th of july, a day before the crash.
      5) the passpoorts were all contained in a plastic bag, in flawless condition , as the video clearly shows
      6) Ukranian air traffic control knew EXACTLY where the plane was, even if the plane deviated off course without the pilot’s knowledge, and did nothing to protect it, but rather:
      7) Ukranian air traffic control ordered the plane to drop in altitude from 24,000 feet to 10,000 upon flying over the crash site.
      ..And lastly.. despite several posts repeatedly mentioning ALL these facts loud and clear, just as I am doing now, everybody in the UN US Ukraine everywhere are COMPLETELY ignoring them, despoite the incontrovertible nature of the evidence.. rather they get hostiuile and even the commenters are incredible aggressively rude… as if they WANT a nuclear WW3..
      PLEASE copy and repost my comment here, everywhere you can!

    • polaroidman

      I’m wondering why we don’t have any information about radio communications from the pilots of this flight !!!
      Even if they noticed something before a missile or whatever, maybe they sent something ??
      For flight MH370, they’ve ben able to get audio recordings from pilots a few hours later, but right now, 2 days later, there’s still nothing about..
      Did anyone noticed it ?

    • AirAmericaCaptain

      There WAS a lot of debris from Flight 93. I am from that area, I had friends that were first responders. There were two debris fields separated by over two miles in distance. This was evidence that the plane was apart IN THE AIR! This plane impacted in TWO areas in Pennsylvania. The first responders were placed under a “gag order” never to speak of the findings, but every local knew about it.
      The government lied, the decision was to take the plane down,in a lower populated area before it got close to DC. A relative, whose son was a ranking Navy officer, called his mother (who lives less than 3 miles from the crash site) and told her the plane was ordered shot down.
      THIS is the real Flight 93 story. :cool:

    • desertspeaks Russia with other nations announced THE DAY BEFORE the mh17 downing that they were starting A NEW BANK..
      This upsets the apple cart for TPTB and is plenty of MOTIVE to blame RUSSIA

    • scott

      Cui bono / k w iː ˈ b oʊ n oʊ / “to whose benefit?”, literally “with benefit to whom?” Our(US) sanctions weren’t catching on in Europe. For Russia, shooting down a civilian airplane would be one of the stupidest moves they could possibly do. They have everything to lose from that. NATO however, definitely has everything to gain. The evidence from cui bono overwhelmingly points to NATO. The US really. Pearl Harbor, anyone? or 9/11?

    • Jon Brown

      I think its funny how the same type of aircraft has crashed only 3 months later since MH370 went missing. After reading about how claims the aircraft was cancelled I decided to use another well known website called flight aware, I clicked on the mh17 flight for 17-July-2014 and it claims that the aircraft landed at 18:30 MYT (+1), when its estimated time of arrival was suppose to be 05:59 MYT . Take a look

      However, when I click on its flight path, it shows that the aircrafts path stops on the border of Ukraine/Russia where it aparently was shot down.

      I next went onto:

      This website really pushes you to believe that this event was staged with the prestine passports, and images of luggage which clearly look asif they have been placed for the camera only.

      In my opinion I am disgusted by how the governments cover up these events from the public eye and how the bbc, fox news, etc try to make us believe something without hard evidence. I truly believe there is something they are not telling us and I think its only a matter of time before another event like this arises.

    • joe

      America don’t like vodka..

      Isis jacked flight 370,redecorated flight 370 into MH17,according to this article MH17 was cancelled (technical reason),before the passangers was gunna enter the real MH17 plane,they didnt announced (or did) that MH17 plane had difficulties with the plane,when that happened,these passangers or sciencetis (had the cure for aids)(according to trolls,entered that pretend MH17 plane, and crashed.


      So yea idk man,what if Isis knows that Hitler don’t like Russia so they manipulate….
      Dmn trolls.with out them


    • Curly

      This to cover up the genocide that is going on in the eastern part of Ukraine.

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