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Do you know why nothing happened in September?

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The most talked about month in Alternative media history, all the terrible events that were supposed to happen but never surfaced…

Where are our disasters?

Stock Market Crash
The Asteroid Impact / Nibiru
Hoover Dam being Destroyed
Earthquake Disaster in the USA
Jade Helm going live and Martial Law
Alien Invasion
Currency Reset
US Power Grid Down
World War III

So what happened you ask, we are presented with a series of events all of which could be engineered to happen (if you take into account geo engineering for the earthquake and push in to ET technology for the asteroid).  Nobody lit the fuse, the fireworks didn’t start.

How could the alternative media get September so wrong?

It is like calling out and saying you KNOW that someone is going to be murdered, you have the motive, the suspect, all the evidence of the plot and you clearly point the finger at them. You make all the evidence public so as many people as possible know this.  The would be murderer has not done anything yet and would look terribly guilty if they carried out the act the way you portrayed, it would be an open and shut case, public opinion would be against them.  Using their choice not to, it makes you look very bad, even a liar, perhaps a troublemaker, although you were right.  On the other hand, it would be fair to say that if you had done nothing then someone would have lost their life.  You could and should be looked at as a hero, you saved a life!

We are faced with the same situation in September, the alternative media made the Shemitah connections to the stock market crash that happens every seven years, we worked out this time would be the big one and we correctly assumed it was a planned event. The only thing we didn’t assume was that when the plan is out in the open, it has to be called off, the element of surprise is lost.  Word that the elite plan to crash the economy is out, the stock market crash was the fuse that would have set off the other events sending the world into chaos and furthering the plan to setup the New World Order.

You should look at it this way, we were right, surprisingly right. The plans were pushed out into the open, people prepared, the element of surprise was lost and the elite had to back down or risk exposure. The thing they don’t want is to be in the public eye and seen to be the manipulators they are; they would rather wait until they can distance themselves enough from events to convince the masses that they had nothing to do with it. September just got too hot for them!

We should thank the alternative media for exposing as many of these secret plans as possible.  Who knows how many of them would have been carried out had they not gone public?

The heroes that take their time and risk their lives to investigate the elite still go unrecognised by the masses for saving countless lives and blocking their plots. The elite can score against the alternative media for now by delaying or changing their plans but nothing can stop the onslaught against them, we see them coming. Maybe they don’t realize that we don’t want their plans to happen and we are happy when events do not come to pass.  If we have to expose them to block their plans, we will do it like this for every month forever.

September 2015 is going to pass by now and be a relatively uneventful month.

The fuse is still there to be lit, there is no evidence to say our events are definitely going away.  The elite will still wait for the element of surprise, these plans arc over years, decades even. Their stealth tactics don’t change but the plans do.

Look up the 6 million Jews story from the Sun (New York) June 6th 1915 before the holocaust happened, the stories change over time but the intention is there and they keep coming back time and time again until they stick.

One thing we know for sure is that the more people that wake up and help us get the timing right for the future planned events the more likely it is that these events can’t happen or get delayed.  They lose the impact they were engineered to have; people won’t react through fear the way they want us to react.

Take a moment to look up Morphic Resonance which is the scientific theory behind global consciousness. When enough of us understand what is going on it will help others to wake up and learn how the world really works.

We should thank the Alternative Media for saving September and preventing disaster. This is not the end though, only the beginning.

Let’s step up the good work and save the future together.

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    • Nikolai Nikolayevich Obruchev

      A stock market crash is actually happening, all the major stock exchanges are plummeting every day.

      • Thekeyboardwizard

        If you count the summer, it is all a bit slower than we expected. It is not the one day oblivion as predicted.

        True to say we are not out of the woods yet and I am not saying it won’t get worse.

        • mike

          It is the nature of the beast for we who see the future to be ahead of the perceptions of the herd as well as ahead of the events themselves . This has been the case since the 60′s. Of course we do not all buy into all predictions … I never considered the asteroid hit or the Hoover Dam event. And, as stated above, some events such as the stock market collapse are actually in progress. I do not believe that God is fulfilling any Zionist events. Preparations for War are evident and predictions as a whole appear to be right on target. We still do not know the exact time for Planet X to take effect…. maybe the insiders do not know either. And besides all of this …. September is far from over !

        • Nikolai Nikolayevich Obruchev

          The biggest Dow Jones point drop in history was last month, must be say something.

          • mike

            2015 was the hottest summer in the world ever recorded …….. it has been over 100 years since there were no hurricanes in the western Atlantic, as is the case this year … there have been nine hurricanes in the eastern Pacific . Normal no longer applies. Move along … nothing to see here……………..

        • Theron

          Dr. Who saved us all once again. :wink:

      • Painless

        “Called off” because they were “found out”. I don’t think so. It’s more like all the prognosticators and self-proclaimed “visionary’s and prophets” have all failed. It’s more like the fact that it was not in “the cards” to begin with. All guess work and no facts to back it up.

      • Overmind

        About time ! They have been over-rated for years.

    • Pocket Rocket

      Cause it’s all fear porn!!!

      • Brace4Glory

        Pretty much. If readers don’t understand that they shouldn’t be reading this stuff.

      • endtimesprophet

        If it is just fear porn, then why do you waste your time reading this site. Unless your little world revolves around trolling message boards.

    • charlie2dogs

      nothing happened because all the fools and idiots never know what they are talking about

      • Soul Leister

        Too many Christian loons cherry picking passaged out of context from a dusty ole unimportant sham religion that was the democrat party of its day… long on promises with zero proofs with lines of the ignorant and easily fooled lined up to give them their money… not much has changed.

    • Jan Beute

      We tend to think Satan has the final say determining the final hour. No, the next move on the chessboard is presided by God Himself. Satan or the illuminati has no idea of the exact timing. Once God makes his move, then Satan and his angels will be humiliated to be thrown on earth, trapped in a body like ours, to never spoil heaven again. Luckily at the same moment the true believers will be gone to vacate the vacuum left in heaven. The rapture will be happen once there is a peace accord between Israel and the Palestinian people, to SHARE Jerusalem. Israel and Jerusalem will not split into 2 nations, but it will be shared by a fake peace accord, a pact involving Israel and 9 other nations. It will herald the 70th week of the prophet Daniel.

    • Anonymous

      Nothing has ever happened that has been forecast on BIN as long as I have been reading this FEEEEEEER [email protected] crap. But it’s nice reading these articles to know what’s not going to happen. It makes planning easier.

      • mike

        Mitch to planning … ” For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking , marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” Much tribulation will precede His coming so Mitch … make some spiritual and physical preps regardless of what is on BIN as no one knows the exact hour.

        • Anonymous

          This is a great comment, thanks for this.

    • Be Prepared

      Nothing happened? You’re either joking, willfully ignorant, and/or completely oblivious to current events…

    • Syco

      Nothing happened because they got the wrong brand of tin foil… you can’t use the store brand. It has to be reynolds aluminum wrap with duct tape accents!!! Geeze didn’t you guys get the memo?

    • TuffENuff

      Okay, so from now on we just roll out every conceivable trauma and drama we can think of, just like the cabal does, and wallow in it all. Only in a short while that will serve to make us numb, which is just what they want… that we stop paying attention again. OR being in a constant state of wariness and preparation for unknowable disasters will also keep us right where they want us, agitated and focused on unknowable, random disaster. As a long term strategy, this isn’t going to work.

      • Thekeyboardwizard

        We already are rolling out stories on every possible terrible event, probably worse than the cabal does. We need better information and more well researched stories. Being prepared in dangerous times is always a good thing, but using your initiative to dismiss wild fear mongering stories is advisable.

        I agree in the long term this is no place for society to be. This has all got to end, the sooner the better. We need a fairer system, and end to corruption (or as close as we can get) no more wars for profit.

        Until we can all work together to change the system it is only going to get worse for us.

        I wrote an article on a possible solution here /alternative/2015/09/breaking-news-the-solution-to-our-problems-is-out-now-2-3209426.html

        • analoxide

          You mean people like you are thinking up the next great disasters that will never come to pass. Do you know what the odds were on the stuff happening on the date and time that these disasters were to have struck?!?!? Let’s just say that if you were to have bought a lottery ticket for that day, you would have had a far better chance of winning than having any of the disasters take place on the date you specified.

          I said the whole time that nothing will happen. Guess what? I was right! :mrgreen:

          • mike

            Guess what …. you are dead wrong … ” never come to pass” … this is your last September ! … wipe off that silly smiley face and don’t make any Christmas plans this year.

            • 69ingSquirrels

              I understand why you, mike, won’t make any Christmas plans, because you sound like a horrible person to be around, and even your own family can’t stand you.

              There will be many more Christmases filled with family hoy for the rest of us.

            • mike

              AOE … such pseudo-cleaver derogatory character assassinations as above are purely disruptive, adding nothing to the discussion at hand. Do you really think that everything is basically ok? Looking at your various posts, I think that your agenda is simply to deny the reality of the problems that we are facing in the immediate future. I guess that you do not know that Planet X is real and is the main force driving all of the crazy activity that we are seeing on Earth at this perilous time … If you are a governmental troll I understand …. otherwise, wake-up and/or shut-up !

            • 69ingSquirrels

              Your “Government troll” accusation shows your narrow-mindedness, as well as an exaggerated sense of importance. As if any government of a world power would waste time or resources on mental midgets like the ones populating BIN.

              Planet X, IF REAL, is nowhere near, unless you believe the BS about it being hidden behind the sun.

              Anyhow, if Planet X does come, we are all doomed, and can’t change it’s directory, so you have 2 choices: Living in a fear bubble, or enjoying every moment of your life since it can end at any time.

          • ReformedII

            “Do you know what the odds were on the stuff happening”

            Only a partial qute, I know, but I wanted to make the point that the likelihood of a “mountain” falling into the sea is ONE HUNDRED PER-CENT!

            The likelihood of “Babylon the Great” FALLING is 100 %!

            The Likelihood of “Wormwood” is 100% BECAUSE it has already started. About 8-10 years ago I was reading a National Geographic on Chernobyl which mentioned the fact that in their local language, Chernobyl would be translated as “wormwood.” I realized after I read the article that “wormwood” was a “code” word for nuclear “events.” THEN about 5 years ago, along comes Fukushima which is killing the North Pacific Ocean!

            The Bible is parable.

            ALL that is says will happen, is going to happen! A lot that we don’t get probably already has!

            I say this to “add” to what you say as you are only partly correct :idea: !

    • Syrin

      So alternate media coverage diverted the massive comet that was going to lead to an extinction level event? walk me through that one please.

      • Thekeyboardwizard

        The comet is a little on the edge in the story but I referenced and similar that purportedly indicated that is was not just a comet.

      • Everette

        Let’s walk right over to Google and yahoo . These people was a lot of the reason the mass confusion took place . Begin typing in September 2 and before you can finish the date September 23 2015 ones up . Click on it and a list of events come up . One of which a comet or asteroid is expected that is 2.5 miles wide . And it’s date is between the 23-24 . Type in September 24 2015 and you find this as the date the comet is expected . I began wondering if this was right .i even mentioned it in one of my written statements . The pope is out in the open , the Vatican has a telescope named lucifer that has been watching the sky . So why would the pope not be in hiding like the others ? Either he is of humility and going to die like the common folk or either it is not coming or the date maybe later . But what I am saying Goggle , Yahoo and the other Internet connections had more power than the people to find answers to something so ELE event . So Who was responsible for making this look like a fact to the masses of people ? What agenda is behind this ? Those trying to bring forth information are doing it as an act towards humanity not to create fear but please get right with GOD if indeed this is going to happen . Because once you close your eyes to death your chances are over . Then these people that have not tried to let the people know , when both stand before GOD the one how was not given the message will point as an excuses that this person who knew did not tell me . This is why so many are trying to get the answers as to what is going on . they are trying to warn the people . And yes some get caught into some wid things sometimes . But those of a true heart only have your hearts interest at heart .

    • ljfa

      Not out of the woods yet.

    • Robert Fallin

      I prefer the “night of the long knives” solution…or, if you prefer I be more specific, the passage in the Talmud, that says if a man threatens to kill you in the morning, get up early, kill him first.

    • Mohsen Samii

      Of course nothing of any importance happened as the so called alternative media is designed to distract the dimwitted public while the elite do what they have to do.

    • monicavix1918

      Weird but I think most of the so called alternative media reporters are spreading fake news for money fame or just because they have nothing better to do. STOP THE LIES !!!!!!!!

      • 69ingSquirrels

        Absolutely. They take advantage of the people who do not believe the government or the mainstream media, but believe everything that comes from the so called alternative media.

        I guess if people are that dumb, they kinda deserve to be taken advantage of

      • AllRoadsLead2NWO

        All news broadcasts are manufactured. Do you even know what NEWS stands for?

        • Hi NSA, kiss my artichoke

          “Never Ending WankerS?” :grin: :grin: :grin:

        • Mayhem

          “Not Exactly Whats Said” :?:

    • JC

      Like a frog placed in a pot of warm water on the stove, slowly turn the heat up and they won’t move, eventually being boiled to death. We will not know the date of His return, but the signs are there that we ARE in the end times. NWO is coming, but it probably won’t slap you in the face.

    • awakenow

      Am I the only one that knows that there are computer programs that gauge comments , including ours.
      This is being done constantly and YES we do effect what they do.


      If we did not resist them every way we can, the quality of life we have as yet would already be gone.

    • Don - 1

      As the Stock Market goes down, down, down, the Specialists stage “Sucker Rallies”. This is to squeeze every last drop of money from the ignorant. Its worked for many decades. People always fall for it.

    • sean michael blacab

      If the effects of a spiritual war in space come here eventually is the reverse
      the same.Our spiritual takes time to have an effect.If you break there
      numerology codes the event is yours not there’s,they don’t want you
      to become the prophet keep coding,keep coding.


    • Betsy.B.Scott

      Or……the alternative media was filled with a lot of distractions causing people to not see real events critically and nothing was thwarted.

      • DK

        That describes exactly the MSM to a tee. :mad:

        • usa1

          cant believe the MSM, the WWW, what the hell is one to believe today then! i believe my dentist when she says, open wide! i believe a pig when he says, bend over! oh oh, or was that supose to be the doctor? i am so damned confused now, i dont know whom to believe! bye bye everyone, ILL BBL i am currently AFK. that was code so no one understands what i mean! :cool: :cool: :shock: :shock: :!: :!: :evil: :evil: :twisted: :twisted: :lol: :lol:

    • awakenow

      “O” YAH about you TROLL that scoff ans promote the views that we are idiots and there is nothing to see.

      WE DO SEE YOU. and we know all about your sorry game.


      HB 2899 New financing for trolls along with AI profiling to incarcerate.

      • 69ingSquirrels

        There are some things to see. But not everything is a conspiracy.

    • Maureen Hayes

      If all the apocalyptic predictions were to be true, I also give credit to the folks who are waking up who caused morphic resonance to occur. Alternative media may have played a part, but if one considers how many ‘endtimes’ have come and gone spanning the entire record of mankind, (most of which never happened), I’m thinking there is a lot of untrue propaganda put out there. It is meant to cause Fear because that is what they (elitists and reptilians), feed upon. In my heart, I didn’t think the world would end this time because I don’t Want it to end. I am pretty sure that’s how the greatest majority of us humans feel. Because so many of us feel that way, we created our reality. If there is an asteroid, it may be in a parallel universe, but in this universe, it will miss us. Or, if there may even be technology we don’t know about that could destroy or avert an asteroid. Either way, our collective consciousness made it ‘not happen’. We are just now finding out how powerful we are. I am thinking the elitists have already lost their battle. It’s just a matter of all the debris falling where it will.

    • jeff

      I love BIN, I love fear porn. But please leave Jesus out of it, he is the good guy.

      • 69ingSquirrels

        Jesus is not conservative enough for the people that see BIN as real news. That is unfortunate.

        • AllRoadsLead2NWO

          Jesus was a Radical-period.

    • igot1thatcansee

      I just knew some body was going to try to play this alternative media exposed it so it did not happen card. Ridiculous BS.

    • Syrin

      A collapse of epic proportions IS coming. Economic reality cannot be averted indefinitely, but it foolish to say it will happen on “X”.

      • Thekeyboardwizard

        You might be interested in reading this the FED creates money from nothing, thats what central banks do in a fiat currency system. The 266 page full FED audit report is here

        If they created 16 trillion between 2007-2010 which was more than the USA GDP of about 14 trillion. God knows how much other money has been hidden away that they also printed / created and “loaned”. They can write off the US national debt tomorrow as a ledger entry, the other central banks could do the same for every nation if they wanted. The financial collapse is a planned event, as long as the FED is a private bank, if this epic collapse is going to happen or not it is their call and nothing to do with economics.

    • countingcomptable

      Wth can’t this world end already…

      • AllRoadsLead2NWO

        You can end your voluntary participation in it any time you wish, although they tried to make that “illegal” too, lol.

    • @USArmy_vet

      EVERYTHING is going to end November 17th! MARK MY WORDS!!

      “never fear porn”

      • AllRoadsLead2NWO

        If that is your opinion- you are entitled to it. Unless you are one of the new Socialist Democrats that do not want you to form your own opinion.

    • ekolis

      So you’re saying the global elites are capable of causing or preventing earthquakes and meteors? The other stuff I’d believe, but natural disasters?

      • Thekeyboardwizard

        Document Source
        In April of 1997 United States Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen said: “Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.” He made this statement at a conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction and U.S. Strategy in his official capacity as the US Secretary of Defense; thus this can be taken as an official position of the United States. Further he used the word “are,” not “could,” “might” or “maybe sometime in the future.” He further added: “It’s real, and that’s the reason why we have to intensify our efforts.” If the United States Secretary of Defense says that the earth and the sky have been turned into weapons, and are being used as such in present time, I believe we should take this statement very seriously….

        • AllRoadsLead2NWO

          The United States inc, and china have been able to influence the weather for a longtime- here they call it “cloud seeding”. Who knows what all technology how many countries have now. The US, Inc. recently freaked out when Iran used an “alien ‘tractor beam’ technology” to over take one of our drones flying over Iran and safely landed it totally intact.

    • Simbolyc

      Simply, two possibilities:
      1.- All this is simply nonsense, I mean, does somebody someday has considered the possibility that the delinquents who planned and executed the 9/11 atacks actually where inspired in the Illuminati Cards which is said “predicted” the event years in ahead. Supposedly the same cards depicted predictions on London Olympics, an asteroid, nuclear accidents and a big etcetera which by no means could you say where realized.
      2.- If that level of illuminati conspiracy exists in the real life, well, it is possible that after years and years and after events and events falsely predicted or failed denounced in social media, youtube, beforeitsnews, etc. Is quit possible and expectable that common people feel dissapointed and stop believe in such denouncements and fell in some kind of self-indulgence. Then BUMMMM!!!

      • AllRoadsLead2NWO

        Well they do use specific dates and years like they had to wait for July 4, 1776 at exactly 12 Noon. The document was written prior to that date and time. Lots of dates they use intentionally like the creation of the Federal Reserve System in 1913 and the dissolution of the Constitutional Republic and the end of the united States of America as a sovereign nation in 1933 with the Bankruptcy of the USA and the creation of the United States, Inc. and the Mother/Birth bond and creation of birth certificates making everyone born here and all land herein property of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System.

        • AllRoadsLead2NWO

          Also September 11th- because the construction of the Pentagon began on September 11th, 1941.

    • Wretched Infidel

      Sept is not over yet. Foolish conclusion up there. it IS going down, RIGHT NOW. Can you not see this, in front of you, I mean, wtf?

    • Helluva3ngineer

      Martial Law!!!! Ugh. Is it really that damn hard to look it up and spell correctly?

    • Bryan S

      The reason why nothing happened in September is because the LORD negated the enemy from triggering these events. Instead of relying on NWO shills and man, we should always seek answers from the LORD. He, and only He, is the one that can tell us when calamity will definitely strike.

      Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but HE reveals His secret unto His servants the prophets.

      Did u guys get that? Nothing major will transpire w/out the LORD notifying His prophets/His elect FIRST!

      • AllRoadsLead2NWO

        Yep, and he hasn’t said anything important or worth writing down in over 2,000 years. We know this for a fact because certainly the Old and New Testaments would have been Updated, lol.

    • straightouttacondoms

      The rapture did happen. Meta World Peace resigned with the Lakers.

      • AllRoadsLead2NWO

        He should have a daughter if he doesn’t have one already and name her Meta World Piece of Ass.

    • Nyyk4

      This is just sick!

    • straightouttacondoms

      Well according to an ex judge lawyer living in Canada he would probably blame it on Cern and the Artificial intelligence it has for a brain. The new story goes that CERN somehow switched timelines to observe itself and all of us as it went through the apocalypse to see if it survived. And will use that data to fine tune events so that it will come out on top along with the people it wants whom are willing to worship it and help fulfill its goal of warring with God and taking over the universe. L Ron Hubbard would be proud. :cool:

      • Mayhem

        CERN is a particle smasher, and as dumb as a hammer, proving only that little boys always try to smash the things they don’t understand.

    • Skeptic

      So let me get this straight… because we “exposed it”, the earthquakes never materialized…the aliens didn’t invade, CERN didn’t create a wormhole to another dimension, WW3 didn’t happen, and asteroids were magically redirected from their collision course with earth.

      I’m a conspiracy theorist and I don’t even want to be associated with this crap.

    • Ozymandias

      Don’t speak too soon you’ll jynx us all. But seriously all top 10 global stock markets are in a full correction of 10-15% or more. :eek:

      • Mayhem

        I don’t recall predictions of a 10-15% correction but of a total collapse. You can’t be right and wrong at the same time, stop reaching.

    • wake up my people

      its going to get worse, like you said the fuse is lit its just a matter of time. the crash, ww3, the planet/comet coming in with its asteroids and meteors. I like your piece I couldn’t of said it better.

      be safe and be true my people for your soon be judged by someone

    • Brace4Glory

      Nothing happened because you fruits and nuts are full of it. You guys should stick to talking about giants and the Annunaki, way more fun to read.

    • Brace4Glory

      You guys saved the world again! Thanks, now I can go back to slaving for the reptilian shape-shifters. Someone get these guys a medal!

      • AllRoadsLead2NWO

        That’s right, just shut up go back to work being a good little slave for those worthless paper debt notes and make sure you pay taxes to the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and they will collect off of your birth certificate when you die- because you men and everyone else here has been their property since 1933. Oh yeah, and make sure you keep your mouth shut and don’t cause ruckus and the NSA won’t come pay you visit- got it. That is all- now back to work slave.

    • doggy do

      Because, those who predicted all that are stupid, and ignorant to boot

    • Flaming_Barricade

      All the fear mongering is’nt going to help solve the main problems here, The root causes need to be addressed.

      The answer for humanity is to transition to a resource based economy as proposed by Jacque Fresco and the Venus Project. Otherwise, Agenda 21/2030 and a stamped barcode is all you and your kin will have to look forward to.

      • Mayhem

        Do you mean resource based economies as in commodities? Like the fine upstanding examples that already exist, you know, like Venezuela, UAE, Saudi Arabia etc.

    • JJLXL

      WooHoo!! Nothing is EVER going to happen! Why? Because you guys come out with every conspiracy known to man on a daily basis.

    • kennibas

      why nothing happened?? Reason: wrong 9/23; the “hints” were right. It’s called slight-of-hand. watch Kislev 23 (our Gregorian Dec 5). Too boot, November (starting the 11th) is when things REALLY begin to hit the fan!

      • Bill Lyle

        Ahhhh. Ok. Thanks for the heads up. See ya on November 12th.

    • illi

      Nothing happened where? The US? The US stock market is in decline right on schedule. Look at the rest of the world. It’s hideous.

      • Mayhem

        The predictions were for a Total Collapse not the start of the decline. You’re panicking and scrambling because your house of cards fell down.

    • charlie2dogs

      cause it was all lies

    • CTrent33

      “How could the alternative media get September so wrong?”

      Because they are looking for God to fulfil obsolete jewish old law.

      John 19:28 “Afterwards, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, said: I thirst.”

      Christ already did that.

      Hebrews 8:13 “Now in saying a new, he hath made the former old. And that which decayeth and groweth old, is near its end.”

      Colossians 2:16-17 “Let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or in respect of a festival day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths, Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.”

      • Mayhem

        Which Scripture might be fulfilled? Did Messiah say “All Scripture” or was he pointing to specifics? Contextually it is appropriate to consider that only the Sin Atoning Sacrifice was fulfilled and anything else is adding to the message which neither you or I are permitted to do without severe consequences.

        • CTrent33

          More precisely, He perfected the old law (judaism) into the new law (Catholicism.)

          “To fulfill: By accomplishing all the figures and prophecies; and perfecting all that was imperfect.” – Douay Rheims Bible.

          Judaism was the preparation for the coming of Christ. A person who Honors old law is in effect denying Christ.

          • Truthseeker


            is this why it is fine for your priest to molest little boys? because if you live by the OLD Law that say adultery is a sin you are “denying christ”.

            NOW it is OK for some to steal and rape and murder!! and of course make idols

            • CTrent33

              The 10 Commandments and judaism are separate. The 10 Commandments are still valid. Judaism is not. The 10 Commandments are moral and natural law. Judaism is not.

              Pedophilia is a sin. It is just one of the by-product of the satanic masonic jews invading/infesting the Church hierarchy.

              We live in an age of apostasy. It would surprise me if there were even a million actual Catholics left.

          • Mayhem

            Yes indeed Messiah exemplified (was the perfect example) how the Law still applies to this very day. Not one jot or tittle until the earth and heavens pass away. Why would the Savior follow the instructions, and quote extensively from them, if He was about to do away with them?

            And you can take your Douay Rheims Bible and… nuff said.

            • CTrent33

              Do not confuse the law of the 10 Commandments with the law of judaism. They are separate. The Commandments are moral and natural law, written on the hearts of men. Judaism is not.

              Jesus frequently made changes to judaism. Perfecting it. Transforming it into the new.

              Matthew 15: 16-20 “But he said: Are you also yet without understanding? Do you not understand, that whatsoever entereth into the mouth, goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the privy? But the things which proceed out of the mouth, come forth from the heart, and those things defile a man.For from the heart come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false testimonies, blasphemies. These are the things that defile a man. But to eat with unwashed hands doth not defile a man.”

              Matthew 19:8-9 “He saith to them: Because Moses by reason of the hardness of your heart permitted you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery.”

              Matthew 5:21-22″You have heard that it was said to them of old: Thou shalt not kill. And whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment. But I say to you, that whosoever is angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgment. And whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council. And whosoever shall say, Thou Fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”

              Matthew 5:27-28 “You have heard that it was said to them of old: Thou shalt not commit adultery. But I say to you, that whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart.”

              And again I refer you back to the quotes from St. Paul in my original post.

            • CrowPie

              “Yes indeed Messiah exemplified (was the perfect example) how the Law still applies to this very day. Not one jot or tittle until the earth and heavens pass away. Why would the Savior follow the instructions, and quote extensively from them, if He was about to do away with them?”

              Why indeed?

              First we must consider this verse. Jesus had just healed a man on the Sabbath. As we know, no labor what so ever was allowed on the Sabbath, not even for meal preparations.

              Luke 14:5 And He said to them, “Which one of you will have a son or an ox fall into a well, and will not immediately pull him out on a Sabbath day?”

              Yet Jesus ‘worked’ a miracle on the Sabbath breaking The Law.

              Consider this:

              Matthew 15 (KJV)

              15 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,

              2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

              3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

              4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

              5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

              6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

              7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

              8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

              9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

              10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:

              11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

              12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?

              13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

              14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

              15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.

              16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?

              17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

              18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

              19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

              20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

              21 Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.

              After considering this chapter we see the disciples were ignoring Jewish Traditions of hand washing and Jesus defends their actions and uses this opportunity to soundly school the Pharisees. So here we have yet another example of His future intentions.

              Now consider this:

              Matthew 22:37-40 (KJV)

              37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

              38 This is the first and great commandment.

              39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

              40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

              This example should speak for its self.

              After these examples of His treatment of Jewish Law there is one question to consider. Since The Messiah is the fulfillment and perfection of the law, Why the need for a NEW TESTEMENT?

              You Might start by considering the definition of the word TESTAMENT.




              1.a person’s will, especially the part relating to personal property.

              2.something that serves as a sign or evidence of a specified fact, event, or quality:
              “growing attendance figures are a testament to the event’s popularity”

              synonyms: testimony · witness · evidence · proof · attestation ·

              3.(in biblical use) a covenant or dispensation.

              My personal favorite among those is the third…..dispensation.


              [ˌdispənˈsāSHən, -pen-]


              1.exemption from a rule or usual requirement:
              “although she was too young, she was given special dispensation to play two matches”

              synonyms: exemption · immunity · exception · exoneration · reprieve ·

              2.a system of order, government, or organization of a nation, community, etc., especially as existing at a particular time:
              “scholarship is conveyed to a wider audience than under the old dispensation”

              synonyms: system · order · arrangement · organization

              3.the action of distributing or supplying something:
              “regulations controlling dispensation of medications”

              synonyms: distribution · supply · supplying · issue · issuing · handing out ·

            • Mayhem

              I’m not confused, Trent, in spite of your attempt to throw a spanner in the works for i speak of the Torah, of which the Decalogue is the embodiment, and not the Talmud. Jesus changed nothing by observing all of the Law. He corrected the common misunderstandings and expounded upon it while fulfilling very specific aspects of it. We’ll get to the specifics, should this continue, but for now lets address your initial argument.

              In quoting bits and pieces of Matthew you conveniently ignore the fact that God knew you might do that and made certain to warn against reading into his words. Specifically; Matthew knew folk would try to twist this into the Law being changed or done away with, as you would have it, so he made sure to quote Jesus where He said…

              “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.” Matthew 5:17

              What your argument is missing, which is of critical importance is a secondary witness, Trent, and that is not how to assert doctrine as you well know. By comparison lets look to what can be found to support my case.

              Does the Law still apply…

              If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right. But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. James 2:8,9

              Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. Romans 13:8

              Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.” Matthew 5:17

              … and will three witnesses do?

            • Mayhem

              @CrowPie. In Luke 14:5 Paul was quoting Jesus in order to correct the Pharisees who had misunderstood the ordinances. Jesus never did break the Law and your argument is lazy thinking.

              In Matthew 15:1-21 the Scribes and Pharisees were attempting to hold Jesus to the traditions of the elders not the Law. Again with not thinking things through.

              In Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus is summarizing the embodiment of the Law in two great commandments not replacing it. Lazy, lazy, lazy.

              I implore you to stop searching for passages, merely to support your points, and instead search for truth lest it appear you’re only here to win arguments.

            • CrowPie

              I never said that He broke a law. I said He “worked” a miracle on the Saabath. But as far as I am concerned….He is The Son Of God and can do as He pleases. But that’s petty little nit picking on your part, and typical when you can’t say anything else. And your comment about Jesus being quoted was unnecessary distraction….made only to try and discredit the information. It also was a fail.

              The comment about the chapter in Matt is especially relevant as you are pushing Jewish laws over the very spirit and heart of what The Savior taught. The catalyst may not be hand washing but your still blind leading the blind.

              Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.” Matthew 5:17 :grin:

              I’m so glad you brought this up. I was hoping you would.

              I noticed that you made no mention of my comments on the reason for a New Testament and the definitions I presented.

              I never expect you to agree with me on anything, especially spiritual matters, so do your worst. I can’t wait to hear them.

              In light of the verse above, the offering up of The Son of God on the Cross as a sacrifice for our sins, shedding of His Blood, His Sacrifice of taking on our sin, His Ultimate Showing/outpouring of Love, human death and Holy Resurrection was our purchase, and His Price.

              The contract was The New Testament.

              Jesus Christ was not The Messiah until after His resurrection. He had not paid the Price. In order for Him to remain perfect until the death He had to follow the Old Law until the crucifixition.

              Once He paid the Price, Became Messiah…..(or in todays slang Daddy handed over the business) Messiahs Covenant, The New Testament was in effect.

              No, he did not come to abolish the law. He came to fulfill the Law. What does it mean to fulfill the Law?

              Yes. His Sacrifice on the Cross brought to an end the old laws and made us a purchase, under a New Covenant.

            • Mayhem

              Do you read what you cut-n-paste, CrowPie, because you said…

              “Yet Jesus ‘worked’ a miracle on the Sabbath breaking The Law

              … yet you deny doing so. Hmm here we go again with your silliness, woman.

              Jesus came to fulfill the Law which was physical in nature (eg Adultery & Murder) and didn’t change it but completed it by adding the spiritual aspects whereby even thinking of committing adultery or murder is now the same as actually acting on those thoughts.

            • CrowPie

              Your right.. I did type that He broke the Law. But the thought in my mind when I was writing that sentence was that the Pharisees thought that He broke the Law. I don’t believe that He can break His own law. I on the other hand… make mistakes.

              “Jesus came to fulfill the Law which was physical in nature (eg Adultery & Murder) and didn’t change it but completed it by adding the spiritual aspects whereby even thinking of committing adultery or murder is now the same as actually acting on those thoughts.”

              I agree. He did do that. But that is not all He did and to over simplify His works is a grave mistake. His ministry on earth was spent on how we treat one another and what we concentrate on and a great many things concerning how we let our minds operate. What we think, how we behave towards others, how we behave in foreign lands, mixed company, He is the Perfect example for a REASON.

              BTW, concerning your comment above. The verse refers back to the two greatest commandments as the instrument of conviction, not the entire formal law.

            • CrowPie

              If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right. But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. James 2:8,9

            • CrowPie

              Romans 7King James Version (KJV)

              7 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

              2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

              3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

              4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

              5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

              6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

            • CTrent33


              That is right, Jesus did not want to abolish the law. He changed it. Perfected it. We are in the NEW LAW (Catholicism,) which includes the 10 Commandments. I always have to repeat myself over and over again with atheists and protestants. Well I’ ll refer you to this yet again:

              Hebrews 8:13 “Now in saying a new, he hath made the former old. And that which decayeth and groweth old, is near its end.”

              Something that is decayed is dead. So, you just keep on embracing DEATH and I’ll keep on embracing Christ, who is eternal life. Good day.

            • Mayhem

              This discussion is not about the other works of Jesus rather it is about what He claimed to have fulfilled. We can go through the whole Bible verse by verse and precept by precept but i will insist on staying on each topic until such time as that topic has been fully addressed.

              If you were to read my comments to Trent you would not have to waste your words, CrowPie, and might note where i stated that the two great commandments (Royal Law) summarize the entirety of the Mosaic Law and do not replace or do away with any part of it other than what is contextually compatible with the words Jesus uttered. How could James state that we are “convicted by the Law” if it has been done away with?

              Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? Romans 7:7

              You answer for your own contentions, CrowPie, whereby does Paul say that the Law “has” dominion or “had” dominion and how would we know Sin but for the Law?

              I get the distinct impression that both you and Trent imagine i’m claiming that the Law is the means by which we are justified and if that is so ya’ll are reading into my words for i make no such claim. The Law, or instructions/teachings (which is what the word Torah means) is an intrinsic part of what Paul meant when he said…

              All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 2-Timothy 3:16

              … and is it written “All Scripture” or “The Scripture that remains”?

            • Mayhem

              Now then, Trent, why do you speak of the old Covenant being replaced by the new in a conversation about the applicability of the Law? Yes the old became obsolete, upon Messiah’s sacrifice, whereby the Gentiles were brought into the fold under the new. That is not in contention, is it?

              I’ll ignore your barb concerning Atheism/Protestantism given i’m neither even though repeating inapplicable passages does not make your case. But i’m offended that a Catholic, whose church stores and reveres the bones of the deceased, accuses me of embracing death. Bleep you buddy.

              A small point of little consequence, given Hebrews 8:13 is off topic, decayed means on the way to death but not yet dead, silly, for as long as Messiah remained alive on earth. Regardless; until you are able to differentiate between the Law and the Covenants there is little more to discuss. And i’ll leave you to it with trying to sow confusion by conflating the two in spite of the three witnesses that show the Law applies still.

              Good day indeed for by Faith and the Graceful release of the Law burden we, Jew and Gentile alike, might be saved. Are you feeling me? I do not say that we are justified by observance of the Law only that the instructions remain in full effect and useful for teaching. We cannot know the new without knowing the old, as it is written.

            • CrowPie

              I did read your conversation with Trent, Mayhem, and my comments in turn all have to do with the original subject matter, whether you see it yet or not. And mind you, the contentions you imagine are your own…..not mine.

              CrowPie, whereby does Paul say that the Law “has” dominion or “had” dominion

              Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held

              Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren,ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

              There it is Mayhem….”ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ;” it doesn’t get much more plain spoken than that.

              As to your question of why the old law is still here for us to read and study…it is for our edification. Our milk and meat is there for the taking.

              Just for clarification I am not catholic. (No offense Trent.)

              Btw Mayhem…stop putting words in my mouth. I never said all those things too, or about you.

            • Mayhem

              There is what, CrowPie, some more cherry picked Scripture? Yes Paul did speak plainly regarding the Law, for example…

              Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. Romans 3:31

              … so now what are you on about?

              Regardless, CrowPie, i put up three witnesses and you come back at me with a single witness and that will not do. And where did i put words in your mouth, woman, quote me lest you be found to bear false witness against me.

            • CrowPie

              I shall address your comment in the reverse… that is where the urgency of importance lies in my opinion at this point.

              “And where did i put words in your mouth, woman, quote me lest you be found to bear false witness against me.”

              ….here is your answer….

              “I get the distinct impression that both you and Trent imagine i’m claiming that the Law is the means by which we are justified and if that is so ya’ll are reading into my words for i make no such claim.”

              I never said any such thing…..keep your suppositions to yourself and stop putting words in my mouth. However, we are NOT to uphold the laws of the old testament or Paul would not have found himself in such a state of grief over trying to let go of what was familiar and comforting to him for most of his life.

              Stop referring to me as “woman.” It is a term that is used for separation and belittling one of the opposite gender from a male. We are separated by the wonders of the internet and your need to belittle only shows your insecurity. You can do better.

              Hebrews 8:13

              In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away

              Romans 7:6 l

              But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.

              Philippians 3:9
              And be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith—

              Galatians 5:3

              I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

              Galatians 3:23-25
              Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,

              Now…..The verses above are in response to your inability (still) to process that we (if you fully love, believe and hold the Jesus Christ as your Savior) are no longer under the old law.

              As to your two or three witnesses. ISIS…and other Muslims and Torah believers still will stone their own family members on the word of just “two or three witnesses.” THAT is what that verse is warning about…….do you get it now? He was warning them of the danger they were in…. for practicing the change…… in their newly found FAITH.

              “This discussion is not about the other works of Jesus rather it is about what He claimed to have fulfilled”

              What He “CLAIMED” to have fulfilled, Mayhem?
              What He “CLAIMED” to have fulfilled?

              What exactly are you trying to say here, Mayhem?

            • Mayhem

              Yeah whatever, CrowPie, i merely wanted to clear that up, for anyone reading this, because i thought it important to clarify my position. You yourself called it a supposition and in the same breath attempt to curtail my right to freely express myself. Fair play indeed!

              Er, yeah, that’s only one witness, CrowPie, Paul innit? The testimony i called upon included the words of Jesus, James and Paul plus i could well have quoted Matthew as a fourth.

              Yes, CrowPie, but Deuteronomy 17:6 is but one example of the necessity for multiple witnesses. Incidentally the example, your dark mind automatically conjures up, is exactly what was fulfilled by Jesus. The required death penalty, under the Law, and the required Sin sacrifice of unblemished lamb. Unblemished lamb, get it?

              Consider, if you will – Deuteronomy 19:15 does not speak of death, explicitly, but “any crime or offense” with the punishment being doing unto others as they were gonna do to you.

              Consider, if you will, – Paul quoted Deut 19:15 in 2 Corinthians 13:1 and no one dies.

              Consider, if you will – Jesus quoted Deut 19:15 in Matthew 18:16 and no one dies.

              Moses, Jesus and Paul whereas you call on Paul alone and that will not do.

              Finally, CrowPie, the level best question you have ever asked me. Yes indeed you have caught me being far too lax with my choice of words and i make no excuse for my poor effort. Instead of “what He claimed to have fulfilled” i should have said…

              “what can be gleaned, from the Bible, about the purpose and reason for His Sacrifice”

              … which is Atonement for all Sin and the conclusion of His earthly ministry. Thank you, CrowPie, for demanding my explanation – you aid my studies.

            • Mayhem

              Since you didn’t catch my inference, CrowPie, let me put my question differently. The King James Version has it thus…

              Romans 7:7 – KJV – What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law:

              … and that is not what you posted leading me to question which version attempts to abrogate the law by referring to it parenthetically? I mean “dismissible” as if it’s an afterthought or added opinion.

            • CrowPie

              OKAY! That’s the Mayhem I know…..

              “Er, yeah, that’s only one witness, CrowPie, Paul innit? ”

              Really? So… have absolute proof now of who wrote Hebrews? Cause If you do you’ll be doing some speaking tours in the near future. Better get your hair done and your teeth whitened. See, there is some real doubt that Paul wrote Hebrews…..better study up on that.

              Also You didn’t read very closely the scriptures I submitted or you would have commented on THIS one…

              Galatians 5:3

              I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

              This is where I submitted a verse that supports YOUR argument…….you never noticed. You didn’t see…..You didn’t hear.

              I wonder why you didn’t see that verse? Or question why I would put in a supporting verse? Didn’t you wonder? Did you think I made a mistake? Just a stupid WOMAN thing?

              And as far as your witnesses…..again…..I will tell you. Does the bible grant such immunity against self incrimination? Yes. According to Talmudic law, it comes from Deuteronomy 17:6 and 19:15, the “two witness rule”, which ensures that no defendant can be convicted for any reason with less than two witnesses.

              It was held, by Talmudic interpretation, that even if the defendant confessed, his confession would not be held against him as evidence. In that respect, Jewish interpretations exceeded the protection of our own 5th Amendment. So… are only confusing yourself in that area.

            • Mayhem

              Can you prove that Hebrews was not written by Paul, no, and therefore you too cannot be certain that this is a second witness. Regardless, CrowPie, according to my studies Hebrews was most likely written by Paul but, if not, provides extremely tenuous secondary witness.

              Next: why must i argue against, or mention, every point you make and every passage you post? If you didn’t see that your argument is defeated by your own posting then no amount of pointing it out would help. I do not dance to your tune, get over yourself.

              WTF: i do not follow the Talmud but do study its abhorrent traditions and wonder if you’ve read my comment given i addressed your presumptuous leaping straight to stoning without considering other passages. Kind of like you were trying to put words in my mouth, don’t you see.

              At the end of the day, CrowPie, Trent went down 3 to 1 and twice you went down by the same score. You can accept your errors, adjust your position and move forward or you can pout and whine about how you don’t like me so much but i won’t be party to it.

              Pull up your big girl britches and harden the bleep up. The question remains – Which translation are you reading because, as far as i can tell, it’s different to the KJV that you CLAIM it to be?

            • CrowPie

              You are really getting frustrated aren’t you?

              See….I’m not.

              I’m not the least bit frustrated, upset, or otherwise. I’m simply having a theological conversation.

              You on the other hand…..have been a bit upset through out this discourse.

              I simply have stated what I know and asked you a few questions.

              The fact that we fundamentally disagree is no reason to get all bent out of shape. But I have the right to be just as vociferous as you.

              Now, back to my last question.

              Why would I post this verse:

              Galatians 5:3

              I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

              There is a reason……

            • Mayhem

              Think what you like, CrowPie, and good on you for not being the least bit frustrated, upset, or otherwise but you merely presume to know my temperament.

              3 to 1, baby, 3 to 1 and when you come back with another couple of witnesses we might take this further. Until then: James, Paul and Jesus said the Law remains in effect plus Moses, Jesus and Paul taught that a single witness would not do, in any case. Underline “in any case” and which translation do you quote from?

            • CrowPie

              I don’t dance to your tune either Mayhem. Talmudic law calls for witnesses. I’m not under the old law. I have explained this repeatedly.

              Now….The verse.

            • CrowPie

              Oh…pardon….I prefer King James but I can work with what ever you are most comfortable with. I am flexible.

            • Mayhem

              Which translation did you cut and paste this from…

              Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? Romans 7:7

              … which you claimed to be from the KJV, for which i’ve provided a link, however it’s not that important except for the obvious manipulation which subtly deviates from the true message and you’ve avoided the question four times now.


              Subtly deviate from the True message, hmm, sounds altogether devious to me.

            • CrowPie

              And don’t call me “baby.”

            • CrowPie

              I scanned over our entire conversation and only found “2″ times where you mentioned a question on that translation.

              I am going to quote YOU as my answer.

              “Next: why must i argue against, or mention, every point you make and every passage you post?”–Mayhem

              Stop deviating from the question at hand.

              Why would I post this verse:

              Galatians 5:3

              I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

              There is a reason……

              I will leave you until next time. I have other obligations to meet.

              May God Bless and keep you

            • Mayhem

              The same question put 4 times but worded differently…

              1) and how would we know Sin but for the Law?

              2) which version attempts to abrogate the law by referring to it parenthetically?

              3) it’s different to the KJV that you CLAIM it to be?

              4) and which translation do you quote from?

              … all of which were in relation to your cutting and pasting Romans 7:7 and claiming it comes from the KJV when it clearly doesn’t (see the link). Never mind, CrowPie, i accept your refusal to answer and it looks like you would rather pull your own teeth than account for your spurious Bible. Amen.

              I repeat: “when you come back with another couple of witnesses we might take this further” therefore your Galatians 5:3 argument shall be left on the table. Two more witnesses, that the Law was abolished, and i will tell you why you ask that question and how you are in error doing so.

              It remains that you attempt to build your case based on the testimony of a single witness and i will not entertain anymore of your shenanigans. James, Paul, Matthew and Jesus said the Law remains in effect, count em, four witnesses.

              I have answered you according to 1 Peter 3:15 yet you fail to extend the same courtesy but that’s acceptable too.

            • CrowPie

              Leave it to “Lawyer” Mayhem to turn to unfounded attacks and diva demands when he finds himself painted into a corner. You also know that I’m not under your silly little demands. That is what this whole conversation has been about.

              Okay. Since you are without an answer to my question about the verse and since you already know that the old law is dead through the Crucifixtion and resurrection of Messiah, I will put you out of your misery and explain it to you.

              First the verse:

              Galatians 5:3

              I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

              Now the answer.

              New Christians in biblical times were not subject to circumcision. Nor were they expected to follow the old law before the Resurrection.

              Only Jews who were circumcised were expected to follow the old law right up until the Resurrection.

              This this is your proof that even before the Cross dispensation was begin made and after The death and Resurrection All were free from the old law.

              While you like to make accusations against me personally, in reality, you have jumped to ALOT of CONCLUSIONS ABOUT ME. You seem to enjoy living with them, so I just let you hang on to them for a while. It was time that end.

              I’m sorry If you got your feelings hurt in this process. It wasn’t my intention.

            • Mayhem

              Yes, CrowPie, all ceremonial distinctions and requirements were removed but that does not permit your non sequitur because it does not automatically follow that the Law is made obsolete. That might well be your opinion but that is not what Romans 5:3 says.

              Regardless, CrowPie, would you have Paul contradict himself?

              Paul reminds us that the Law is written in our hearts (Rom 2:15) the same Law and the Prophets that were read out loud at Antioch (Acts 13:15) the same Law of Moses that Paul used to persuade folks concerning Jesus (Acts 28:23).

              Paul, Paul, Paul you twist his words, CrowPie, and delude yourself that you’ve made any sort of case. What translation did you post Romans 7:7 from because it doesn’t seem to be from the KJV you claim it came from and does Paul contradict himself?

            • CrowPie

              You have admitted now that ” all ceremonial distinctions and requirements were removed but “……..Why are you cherry picking?

              We are either released from the Law or we are not. We are either Justified by our Faith in The Messiah or we are not.

              Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren,ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

              The law is not to be left unstudied, disregarded or ignored. Rather it is exactly what we are told. It is how we learn what sin is according to the Ten Commandments. It is how we know our history and the entire history of the Gospel and the proof of its origins. It is also a very good example of how lucky we are that Christ would even consider saving us.

              Of course the Law isn’t to be discarded. But we are justified by our Faith, not the letter of the law.

              Rom. 4:5, “But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,”

              you might also consider this verse:

              Rom. 3:28-30, “For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.”

              Your arguing at this point simply for the sake of argument.

            • Mayhem

              I no longer care to engage, CrowPie, and will leave you with this: here is specifically what i objected to…

              “Jesus frequently made changes to judaism. Perfecting it. Transforming it into the new.” CTrent33

              … and nothing was changed. The Pharisees were corrected, on the Law, because they thought observance made them special thus separating Jew from Gentile. The Pharisees thought they could make demands of God, because of their observance, and Jesus put them in their place but changed none of it when He fulfilled, what can be summarized as the Great Commandments, the whole of the Law. Certain aspects Jesus made obsolete for with His sacrifice we no longer had need of the shadow, of things to come, because we had witnessed perfection…

              “Of course the Law isn’t to be discarded. But we are justified by our Faith, not the letter of the law.”

              … i’m glad you finally agree.

              Consider Rom 3:28-30? Heck i referred to it earlier in this debate, never mind. In the end we still have four witnesses up against your take on what Paul said, and you have Paul contradicting himself no less, plus tons of opinion most of which is about how you don’t like me so much. Enough.

            • CrowPie

              I don’t agree with your stance and don’t imply that I do, but I like you just fine.

              I’m sure you don’t wish to engage any longer.

            • Mayhem

              4 to 1, baby, but you tell yourself whatever helps you sleep at night.

            • CrowPie

              And my name is not Baby…’s Janet.

            • CrowPie

              Ms. Jackson if your nasty.

          • Mayhem

            And you ignore my question, Trent. Did Messiah say “All” or “The” indicating specifics over generalities?

            • Mayhem

              Oops that was dumb. Did He say “All” or “It”

            • CTrent33

              I gave the Douay Rheims quote. You really should pay more attention. All is all.

            • Mayhem

              Oh yes, more attention. The Douay Rheims can suck lemons for all i care especially where it deviates from what is written.

            • Mayhem

              The Douay-Rheims is a 16th century work that was published in three volumes and contains more footnotes than Scripture which only proves the adage that it takes twice as many words to sell horse manure than it does to tell the truth.

              I study the Douay-Rheims just as i do its source the 4th century Latin Vulgate. Deeper down the rabbit hole i study the other works of Jerome whereby many of his translation errors and his agenda can be clearly seen. One example is the Comma-Johanneum, innit, so i suggest you no longer hold up the Douay-Rheims as any sort of authority lest i more thoroughly shred it.

            • CTrent33

              Since the Church gave us the Bible, the Douay Rheims is the most accurate one. Which altered “bible” do you use? The KJV? You prefer the alterations by the MASON, king james, rather than the real deal. No wonder you embrace death. Looking to satan for truth. What a laugh.

            • Truthseeker

              you know trent33, when you state the gentile Roman church –gave- “us” the bible it proves beyond a shadow of doubt how brain washed you are..

              Who wrote the Words of God??

              was it not Moses and the prophets and the Apostles Who had absolutely nothing to do with Pagan Rome or with “your” popes.

              One day soon you will come to the understanding of just Who is in charge of the Roman Vatican and has filled with pagan gentiles.

            • CTrent33


              The new testament was written by the first Bishops and priests of the Church. The Church COMPILED and PUBLISHED the first one. So, yes the Church gave us the Bible.

              I already know who is currently in charge in the vatican. Invader masonic jews. And it angers me very much. I cant attend mass, nor receive the Sacraments as much as I would like. I can’t even visit Jesus in the tabernacle. A chastisement of fire and darkness has been prophesied to clean up this mess and restore the Church. It seems very close and I cant wait.

            • Mayhem

              I do read the KJV, Trent, but i often quote from the NIV because it fits better with the language in common usage today. But don’t get hung up on it because my understanding is always referred to the concordances, lexicons and interlinears in order to look passed the agenda ridden dalliances of men.

              And the Johannine Comma, that i mentioned previously, was just one example of your churches intentional and deceptive manipulations. Would you care to review more of the same?

              And will you quit calling me a death cultist given that it’s nothing more than a projection of what you know your church is really all about? Catholicism is the mystery death cult for which there is no Biblical support.

        • Mayhem

          So you know where i’ll be going with this, Trent, may i clarify and say that not only has the sin atonement sacrifice been fulfilled but so too have the ceremonial ordinances that separated Jews from Gentiles.

    • MissingRonnieR

      Or, you were simply wrong.

    • Truthseeker

      you sound like the government! Fact is these people are about youtube views and website hits – you say the reason nothing happened is because “heros” exposed their plans, well how would Alien Invasion Nibiru or an Asteroid Impact be called off?
      This article is as ridiculous as all the doom and gloom predictions that never seem to happen!

    • ReformedII

      Didn’t know September was over??


      People are stupid :razz: , if referring to the Shemittah!

      Sept 23 was Yom Kippur. The Shemittah CYCLE began, [BEGAN!] that day. This is a Jubilee YEAR . You know, YEAR, as in 360 days.

      I’d bet my puny SS check that we won’t make it through NEXT summer w/o something big. REAL BIG :lol: !!

      • Mayhem

        Would you e-mail your bank account and PIN number please? I could use a little extra cash and don’t mind waiting 6 months whereby we antipodeans let you lot have summer back.

        • ReformedII

          Sure, Septemmber 23,2016 :grin:

          • Mayhem


    • Fohpono

      “It is difficult to make predictions, especially about the future.” Old Danish Proverb

    • WeBeDoomed

      Nothing happened because me, David Chase Taylor, the King of Shambhala and Lyn Leahz saved your sorry asses. Now give us some respect :lol:

    • Pink Slime

      It is simply this.

      WHEN TOO MANY people believe the same stuff then they get it wrong. I knew nothing was going to happen when JUST TOO MANY people began to believe that SOMETHING was going to happen.

      I knew right there nothing was going to happen!

      So brainy then when is something going to happen???

      Simple! When nobody believes anything is going to happen.

      :arrow: Watch & Learn…….

    • gaxman

      Nothing happen because 95% of the of the site is fiction. Purely made up crap. Folks like Steve Q, Alex J and others days are number making money off the mentally ill and paranoid. I read this site as pure entertainment.

    • Nancy636

      No body knows dates but rest assured we are in the end times and you can’t achieve diddly with out Jesus Christ. No human consciousness or love one another without Christ will work.

    • James Glover

      Go back just 20 years and gather all the top economists and politicians in one room and announce that in 10 years time, half the worlds economies wil be printing money…
      That Cypress banks would take half their savers money…
      That Russia is taking over from the USA in the middle east…
      And Iran will soon have her bomb.

      They would have called you foolish, alarmist and laughed you out of the room.
      Yet all these events have taken place.

      Yes, there is some nonsense on this site, but there is also some well-researched, carefully thought-out submissions that should make us all stop and think.

      • Mayhem

        Go back a little further and try telling folk the planet is a sphere, same resultant derision, so what?

        • mike

          Interesting comment Mayhem … your unknown fact receives derision just as does JG’s unknown prediction. Everything that is not status quo receives derision. And as you say ‘ so what’ …

          • Mayhem

            Perhaps you know about the three stages that Truth goes through before it is accepted as fact, mike, and are aware that BS doesn’t usually make it past stage one but did you know that this is what is meant when the PC-Brigade shout
            “normalcy bias” at anyone who thinks “things” have a good chance of continuing on as they always have?

    • The Truth Wins

      Uh…September isn’t over yet. The end of the Shemitah year is actually important, as it ushers in the Hebrew month of Tishri. Historically, that is when the bad financial stuff transpires. Also we are entering a super year of Jubilees, which represents 4900 since they began (70 x 70). Then there is the Blood Moon Tetrad’s grand finale on the 28th…IDK, the month ain’t over yet.

    • Anonymous

      EXACTLY!!! Just as 2K and December 2012 were fizzers – when will people wake up to all this rubbish. By the way, October 5th will see a ball of raging fire come into our sights.

    • gafisher

      The world should be SO thankful that alternative media stopped the earthquakes, frightened off the alien invaders and got Nibiru to change course! :wink:

    • ChrisW

      If you are a Palestinian you have been living in the end times for many decades and really since your land was stolen about a century ago. Now that we haven’t been destroyed yet by an asteroid or Nibiru can we get back to focusing on what the Satanist’s are doing right now in the Middle East?

    • rodneyo

      I have religious friends who go to a non denominational church, and who think they are Christians, and they have been saying this kind of stuff for 30 years, and it never comes true.

      I keep telling them to change their focus, to just Jesus, and learn that intimate inward walk, but they can’t do it. If they drop all their sensational end times stuff, they would be empty inside with no reason and or no meaning to live.

      I believe so-called Christians “Churchianity” is missing the bibles true meaning. Do any of these people have a life that reminds you of the book of acts?

      Here is an idea focus on this: repent, believe, and do not preach only words, but also have a sign of power, then I might consider your doctrines.

      • Mayhem

        Tell your friends to read Ecclesiastes again where the Philosopher King explains that there really isn’t any point, to life, when ones thoughts are on temporal things. That evil men seem to always win while the meek pay for it all and how the world, that we see today, shouldn’t really surprise the earnest student.

        If their eyes roll back and they claim the OT doesn’t apply well Solomon thought they might say that so in the first paragraph reminded us that history merely repeats itself, that nothing under the sun is truly new and to think otherwise is stupid.

        Tell your friends that the purpose of this life is to learn what it takes to get to the next which is to have faith and to show it to the world by following after The Way. And, tell your friends, to chill the heck out lest you begin to think their god is unable to take care of business. Bah humbug but religious-doomers really twist my whistle!

    • nina

      It’s not over yet!!
      I don’t need anyone to tell me the human race is in trouble, you only have to read the news..
      Can any one work out what these 02.21 numbers could mean? Why those numbers it’s along story I see them nearly every night..
      I tell you back ground one night I’d been reading all the stories to do with sept 2015 that night I was concerned for my young son I asked God in our prayers after story time how can we get through what’s coming? Once my son was asleep.
      That night I was very restless but when I did fall asleep I had a very usual dream, I walked into a huge room that was just white right in front of me was a alarm clock it was old fashioned the numbers flipped over to 02.21 then the alarm started to sound the alarm was huge the size of a car. I then woke up with a feeling of terror . I thought it was a strange dream that night I woke so many times each time having the same dream it’s hauting me.. I’m seeing these numbers everywhere I dream around 5 times every-night since it all started. It’s getting to me! Maybe I’m losing it, One more thing too I know I do sound like a mad woman now, I see dripping water that’s not really there sometimes I see a few drips other times it’s more like a waterfall.
      The reason why I started looking at this site in the first place is because of the way I’ve felt this feeling of excitement and fear all rolled into one. I felt something big was going to happen I needed to look for answers to see if anyone else felt the same I feel sick with it. It’s like wedding day nerves. Lol then I had the dreams I don’t think its a date. So then I just put the numbers into Google something about king James bible. So I read what it said acts 02:21 I was amazed it said .
      And it shall come to pass that whoever calls on the lord shall be saved. I had tears in my eyes I don’t own a bible I don’t go to church, but since my son was born we read bible stories and pray before bedtime and we try to be good people but far from perfect . I’m no church goer but I believe in God and that Jesus christ died for our sins.
      I felt the need to share this with you all. I’m still not certain it’s the right meaning but I just can’t think what else it could be. So I’m asking for your help. I know you will think I’m a mad nutter and making all this up but I swear that I’m not I’m not claiming I’ve been told a date I have not I just saw alarm clock that was white with black squares that flipped over with white numbers . I didn’t hear a voice or anything. No I’m God heres a message.
      So I wanted to share this with you, but since my dream I’ve started to try to change things in my life that I know God wouldn’t approve of and I’ve said the sinners prayer with my son. With everything in the world like it is today I don’t think it hurts to draw near to ones faith.
      Everyone needs someone to turn too in their hour of need.

      Please just open your minds everything I’ve said is truthful . I believe in my hearts of hearts that I need to share this with everyone. Not because God told me to spread the word no I just feel it. Which probably doesn’t make sense to you it’s just a feeling. I’m a average person I have no gifts ,I’m no prophet ,not selling books, making radio programmes , I have nothing to gain by lieing. I just want to stop people from getting hurt and seeing suffering. So if those numbers are from the bible then I know what I have to do to protect me and my son.
      But if you’ve heard of something else with the same numbers let me know , because I can’t stop thinking about it.
      Thank you

    • edgelord

      It’s gonna be a helluva Halloween.

    • 131313

      September ain’t over yet. :cool:

    • wake up my people

      like you said “the fuse has been lit” its jut a matter of time, the crash, ww3, then we got this planet/comet with its meteors to deal with. Mondays the final blood moon too . this false flag date was intentional to try throw us off (think the boy who cryd wolf) . only time will tell but you know when you don’t want to be right, scary thing is I know I’m on the money with the predictions same as the editor of this piece . you sheeple keep trolling ive accepted my fate and whats coming you better get some baby wipes and clean yfronts for when you wake up and realise……. :roll:

    • janetspillows

      Say what you will, but the answer to why nothing happened in September is very simple. Only God knows the future. Only he knows when something bad or good will happen and only he makes that decision. And it almost always happens when we least expect it.

    • praveenbjpr

      :lol: :idea:


    • ShadowViperHissatsu

      nothing happened?HA!the pope gives the 3 sixes also lined up perfectly with that little square called camera angle and area,boehner gets the boot,illegal border jumpers[yep who are you thanks no it isnt free] demanding amnesty[break laws until their legal right] stock market definitely taking a nose dive everyone so scared of what might happen that they wont raise interest rates because statistically if they do, it spells the end for most americans way of life.Obama look more evil than ever[devil does have a sense of humor] and people all across the country are bracing themselves for something to happen in the way of cops dying or the other way around.Also september is not over yet.Also illegal immigrants one day the word anchor baby will be used more than it is today if amnesty is given if that isnt a curse I wouldnt know what one is!

    • Theron

      Nothing was called off.
      The ritual went off exactly as planned.

    • foon1e

      Nothing Happened. Nothing *Will* Happen. BIN is full of Frauds providing Fear Porn as “Click Bait”. Tailored especially to appeal to the many Religious Nut-Cases, Conspiracy-Theorists and Dis-Info Agents out here on the “Internut”.
      Pandering to the easily deluded is what the fear merchants masquerading as “News-Contributors” do best around here. Pushing people to “News” that’s crafted to get *YOU*;the BIN Visitor, to click links that generate revenue online .
      You are all being milked as surely as the Moo-Cow is – only the hands doing the milking are colder and more calculating that any normal person could expect.
      Once you realise that BIN is nothing more than a revenue-raising Operation, it puts most of the head lines into perspective. Plus, it enables those of us viewing the “Information” put forward to see it as nothing more than entertainment – some of which is better written and proof read than others.
      If I’m lying to you all? Then may that Abrahamic Fiction the religious fruit-loops love to push as real around here strike me dead right now in my seat!

      ……Nope! Nothing happened again!

      Move on folks – nothing to see here at BIN that resembles anything like the “Truth”. Treat it as a bit of Internut Fun, and you’ll live longer,less stressed lives.

    • hostile177

      I can answer that.
      It’s a form of pareidolia where the weak minded and schizophrenics tie together a bunch of unrelated events, facts and fallacies into something they wholly believe to be real.
      You know how polar bears jump from one ice island to the next to survive?
      Same thing here.
      All these hopelessly lost believers jump from one date to the next.
      They would all probably die off in a rash of murder-suicides if there wasn’t another date around the corner to keep them afloat.
      In a twisted sense, it’s a good thing there is always another doomsday in the works.
      One who is fit of mind can only imagine the immense weight of depression from being alive on 9/25 when you were 110% sure the world would be gone on the 9/24.
      I recommend instead of living each day like it’s your last, live each day knowing there is always tomorrow.
      You’ll feel a lot better mentally and probably physically too if you only remember this one thing; doomsday prophets have a 100% success rate…of being wrong.

    • Michael

      Thankfully none of the “predictions” have fully happened, but hopefully they serve as a wake up call to the otherwise unprepared. People tend to prepare for that which they fear the most, but ultimately they prepare!. If you get ready for an EMP attack that brings would bring down the power grid for six months, you should be prepared for a severe storm that leaves you without power for a few days. So I suppose it’s not all bad. Having backup tools for getting by without power is always a good idea. We have an Emergency Well Tube ( as a backup for accessing our well water, a Wonder Mill Jr. hand crank mill for flour, a manual emergency marine bilge pump for our basement sump pump, etc.

    • wake up my people

      where t fks my comment from yest wots the point in signing up so u get all my details……………………………………………. :mad:

    • Henri

      In the last days, the Word of God warns us about false predictions and false “jesus’s”. i would sy the most of this what was offered to us, false in that category.
      Christians must be weary on wide a wake, not to allow these kind of rubbish to influence them.
      God is God and He promises us in His word, that He will never forsake us and that He is wide a wake about His word.
      Christians should not be deterred by this kind of crab

    • Henri

      Strange, my comments do not published, I wonder why.

    • Brent Holman

      Possibly because you appear to be completely functionally insane.

      • Henri

        your sense of humor rot.

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