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Nibiru is Coming at Us Like a Runaway Freight Train, Say Planet X Researchers

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Have you heard the news about Nibiru? Also known as “Planet X”, this gigantic celestial object is a hidden member of our Solar System, swinging around the Sun in a long arc and at a leisurely pace. The planet is allegedly inhabited by a race of aliens called the Annunaki, who were identified as gods in ancient Mesopotamian mythology.

Every 3,600 years or so, according to the late amateur mythologist Zecharia Sitchin, this rogue planet comes whizzing by the Earth, close enough for the Annunaki to get here by a hop, skip and a jump to teach us, observe us, dazzle us with their technological tricks and occasionally tinker with our DNA .

The Sumerians and the Babylonians thought they were gods because they had no frame of reference for aliens, and Sitchin says the Annunaki exploited the situation by enslaving us and stealing our most valuable natural resources (especially gold).

In his interpretations of ancient Sumerian and Babylonian texts Sitchin claimed to have uncovered thousands of data points that pointed to an ancient-astronaut scenario as the best explanation for early human cultural development in the Middle East. Evidence to suggest Nibiru was the home planet of the invaders was just as overwhelming, Sitchin wrote (in book after book after book), and he soldiered onward promoting his radical thesis of alien intervention despite being ridiculed by traditional mythologists and the academic establishment.

Planet X = Planetary Destruction?

Some independent researchers are convinced Nibiru will be coming back soon. Maybe any day.

But they fear it will pass too close to the Earth this time, setting off a chain reaction of gravitationally-induced geological catastrophes (pole shifts, crust displacements, massive earthquakes, super-volcano eruptions, etc.). These folks say the Nibiru evidence is abundant, mainly in the form of images captured by NASA and the Hubble telescope that show the planet lurking in the background.

But skeptics have dismissed the alleged Nibiru evidence as poppycock. They accuse Nibiru evidence hunters of misidentifying ordinary objects in space or misinterpreting photographic effects like lens flares. If Nibiru were out there, they say, professional astronomers would have no trouble seeing it or detecting its gravitational effects on the orbits of the outer planets.

Unsurprisingly, pro-Nibiru fanatics are unimpressed by these assertions. They remain convinced the Nibiru evidence is real and that it proves some version of the Sitchin thesis is correct. Furthermore, they say even more Nibiru evidence would be available if the government wasn’t covering it up.

“Trust Us, it Really Is Coming!”

Nibiru enthusiasts first claimed the doomsday planet would make its appearance in Earth’s skies in 2003. When that didn’t happen they changed the year to 2012 to coincide with the end of the Mayan calendar – which turned out to be yet another miss.

At this point there seems to be no good reason to believe in Nibiru or to take the supposed Nibiru evidence very seriously. But that won’t deter the true believers, who’ve invested a lot of energy in promoting this story and aren’t about to admit they’ve been chasing their own tails for years.

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    • seanolifter

      This time the sky is really falling guys.

      • URanIDIOT666

        This is Gabriel (NHBE). We did tell all of you Nibiru was not scheduled to come until November of 2018. We also told you it is under intelligent control. Next, we told you that your creators live on this planet if you choose to call it this. Your scientists are baffled and now have nothing to say since it was suppose to come so many times before and they were always wrong and we told you this. It was behind the sun and your SOHO video did capture this, just watch BPearthwatch video history and you will see. Your scientist say how does this heavenly body defy the laws of physics known to mankind?

        Now, this is what the current status of Nibiru is: It has moved from behind the sun which is nothing more than a fueling station, a transformer. Your NASA does know this but they lie to you. It has moved behind Pluto where it can not be seen by any human or any advanced optical equipment. What is it and the inhabitants doing there? They are observing human behavior. They are watching your PTB destroy the planet. This will not be allowed and if it does not stop another NOAH event will happen> This you can count on. This is not humans first trip around the caveman to technology empire. It is the 5th. In 40,000.

        Last, All of this Muslim/Christian terrorism garbage is nothing more than CIA CRAP!!!!!! Did all of you not notice all of the drug cartels have put hundreds of millions in to the campaigns of Ms. Clinton and Mr. Bush. Have fun because you are all to cowardly to do anything about it. Nibiru is not your problem. If you do not fix your problem then your creators will wash the earth and you will start over again. For all of you religious people, try reading the Bible as “symbolism” and you will see what we hybrid watchers say is true. Gabriel (NHBE)

        • chefjim

          You’re a hybrid? And a “watcher” too; Wow. Why don’t you tell some truth, then? Do you want to know the absolute TRUTH, I mean, the SHOW STOPPING, Rock-ribbed truth who was and is and is to come?

          I am the way, the truth and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6 Where is the “symbolism” in that?

          If you are a “hybrid watcher” then you are an evil spirit; a fallen angel and you already know this truth so my suggestion of telling some truth is an impossible one because you are of your father the devil and he is the father of lies.

        • LifeIs

          We have a government that thinks every problem is nothing but a public relations problem.

          Well, lying doesn’t reduce the amount of radioactive cesium in the food, or the amount of oil and corexit that went into the Gulf, and lying doesn’t make the unemployed employed. Lying doesn’t make tyranny into freedom, and it doesn’t turn military defeat into victory.

          And no amount of BS will make Planet X go away.

          • Wity

            Lifels old chasp, I do believe the sky will fall on Chicken Lickens head at some time in the future…. Its the size that counts ….

        • Wity

          Hey-ho ! A real Spe-cimen …….

          Boet you are wrapped to tight !
          Open your extrapulating dongle valve decavitator with your fusal-barric debullshit-tanator

          • Canderson

            PHD – prophet hierarchically defined (created)
            https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prophet

          • Canderson

            “Nibiru is believed to be the home planet of the Anunnaki”

            Nibiru is in fact Jupiter!
            “Akkadian scribes, in their translations from Sumerian to Akkadian, associate Nibiru with Jupiter,”
            3. The Sumerian 12th Planet Is A Myth

            According to the studies of Zecharia Sitchin, there is a 12th planet in our solar system (known
            to scientists as the possible ‘Planet X’). This planet is called Nibiru, and is situated
            somewhere beyond Pluto. This planet, unlike the other planets in our solar system, has an
            elliptical orbit and moves clockwise rather than counterclockwise. It was a collision of Nibiru
            with another planet in our solar system which created Earth. His association of Nibiru with a
            coming planet and not Jupiter, when in fact Akkadian scribes, in their translations from Sumerian
            to Akkadian, associate Nibiru with Jupiter, However, it is good to see others in the scholastic
            field also make these have found Sitchin’s work fraudulent.

            https://cultofnyarzir.wordpress.com/2014/07/30/uncovering-the-sumerian-hoax-is-pseudo-science-turning-western-occultism-into-a-religion-for-dummies/

            • Wity

              Canderson.

              I did visit the link you posted ~ very interesting !

              Food for thought….

          • Canderson

            Fear of the Natural way, nature, will not save you. Only move you closer to the slaughterhouse as a pawn, goat or sheeaple.

        • Wity

          W

          • Wity

            Gotta finish the sentence < WTF !

      • xenoverse

        LMAO. “Planet X Researchers” are idiots if they think Nibiru is coming here. Nibiru is not coming here now or in 2018. Nibiru is also not the same as Planet X.

        This article represents the height of fanatical idiocy on the internet.

        Nibiru was thought to be the home of Satan by satanists on Earth. That may have been true at one time but it’s not true now. Satanists and Kazarian Jews are dumb because they believe in false prophesies as they have been interpreted by people like Nostradomus.

        • DK

          If the world keeps on being run as badly as it is, people will be applying for emigration papers to planet X

      • Anonymous

        For insight, read the book “Anunnaki vs. the Cosmic Conscious Collective.” It brings an amazing perspective to the party. http://www.amazon.com/Anunnaki-vs-Cosmic-Conscious-Collective/dp/1479283649

      • Wity

        When i see Nibiru with my very own eyes ~ I will place my head between my legs and kiss my sorry ass goodbye……Cause all we ever hear is :- Nibiru aka planet XYZ is coming going or went…?!!

        Can you dolts even comprehend the chaos and destruction when and if the earths population see Nibiru heading this way !

    • LucidMebin

      Why can’t anyone SEE it…is it….is it invisible?

      • LifeIs

        Mostly it is, like the black comets that rain down upon the Earth every day. When a satellite observed them, by accident, astronomers didn’t want to believe. They demanded an impossibly high standard of proof, to make the issue go away.

        Specifically, they wanted each disintegrating comet observed simultaneously by one satellite and 3 ground-based telescopes. Well, that standard was met. The black comets were proved to exist. And since they pretty much destroy conventional ideas about the solar system, astronomers have been forgetting them as hard as possible, for 30 years now.

        You need submillimeter or infra-red instruments to see black objects. Like the South Pole Telescope, and its predecessor in Antarctica. Like IRAS and WISE, formerly in orbit. Like the “lucifer” instruments on Mt. Graham.

        You also need to know where to look. Most of us spend very little time, looking at the night sky. When we want to look at planets with a telescope, we look along a little swath of sky, where all the known planets are.

        A planet with a highly-inclined orbit will be somewhere else in the sky.

        And since the Antarctic sub-millimeter telescope and the South Pole Telescope were placed THERE, rather than, say, eastern Siberia, or Greenland, you can be sure Planet X has been in the southern sky.

        • b4

          have a family member who is a world famous astronomer–he is right at the top–asked him about planet x–he said nothing- but to be expected–has all the top secret nasa clearences–the hubble should be able to see this thing or the new Shopia 747 which flies on the edge of space and has a 8 ft infra-red tele like the hubble-but they are not telling us or they are lying..have read everything I can and have no idea what the truth is…..

          • b4

            Sophia 747

          • LifeIs

            Thank you b4.

            The fact that an astronomer needs top secret NASA clearances says a lot.

            The fact that we needed the Kuiper Airborne Observatory and IRAS, and the Antarctic submillimeter telescope,

            And the WISE and the SOFIA infrared telescopes, and the Hubble infrared telescope and the South Pole telescope, says THIS:

            There is a lot to be seen, that cannot be seen optically. Some folks cannot grasp that.

            • b4

              been to the Keck observatory on Mauna Kai which was the larget tele in world at one time,600″–been to Mt Wilson’s 100″ and Mt polomar 200″-it was disappointing that the keck tele is all watched by the stupid ‘puter! no human eye looks in the tele–the watchers only interpet the data–very sterile…

          • friends2you

            there is a disclosure clause where individuals are not allowed to tell the general public what they know due it being classified, which is funny in a way because everything is listed as classified until some dip wit says, golly gee the dumb civilians can know this now so lets De-classify it and then they get to know something not important anymore whew. Now the post above yours, Lifels is very interesting, that is why he has 5 down votes, Lifels is not suppose to be telling you this stuff because it leads to knowledge your not suppose to be paying attention to.

        • True News

          You can’t see it because it is a BROWN DWARF. These emit in the near infrared wavelengths which are invisible to human eyes. Once it gets close enough, you might be able to see it and by then people will be going insane with rage at the elites. Right now, it’s fairly close to our sun and can be seen at sunrise or sunset.

          • Scanner Darko

            Mr. Kris Kitze, I didn’t know you were a Nibiruhead…

            • The Clucker

              I prefer the term Nibiruer but Nibiruhead works too.

            • Damien

              U R I BIN :twisted:

              SATANIIIIIIII

              SATANIIIIIIII

              SATANIIIIIIII

              SATANIIIIIIII

              :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

        • Central Scrutinizer

          Jeez, again with the black comets!!!

          What, are you racist? What you got against Mexican-American comets, or Asian comets?

          Lifels, you lost any and all shreds of credibility on this fantasy subject when you posted a DATE OF IMPENDING DOOM, which like every other date associated with this nonsense, came and went with little-to-no fanfare.

          Shall I dig around the archives to find your “it will be here in weeks” quote? :mrgreen:

          • LifeIs

            See below. Well, here it is:

            What I said was, based on the conduct of our leaders, I expected the arrival in September. In large part because we were being given a disinformation date, of late September. They won’t give us the real date, or one just before. They don’t want panic.

            They’ll be giving us dates that they know come after the event. That was my thinking, and it’s still valid.

          • LifeIs

            The black comets are important. Every few seconds, a comet of between 20 and 40 tons disintegrates above the atmosphere.

            About every ten years, one big enough to reach the upper atmosphere and explode with the force of a nuclear bomb comes along.

            And we don’t see them coming.

      • srsly1

        exactly, so why can only a select few individuals see it, and only about once every couple months? If others can see it, why can’t everyone? And why is it there (for some people) one day, but not there the next? And why is it that the majority of pictures of it are taken through windows? Hmmmm….

        Wouldn’t you think it would be in the same, or near, position the day after, and the next day, and the next day?

        • b4

          this planet x was first disclosed in ’83 or ’84–I saw the interview of the nasa astronomer who used infrared tele to find–then saw the same guy in a interview 2 years ago denying it exists–you tell me whats going on?!

          • Mayhem

            That’s not right, b4, regardless what moving picture show you saw. That IRAS supposedly imaged Planet-X is tenuosly supported by a scientists off the cuff hypotheses…

            “We won’t know what we found until we do the analysis. It could be anything from distant galaxies to a rogue planet and we’ll let ya’ll know when the results are in”

            … or something like that. And this wild guess was then added to a reporters error that got the distance wrong by a factor of 10.

            The results came back and IRAS had imaged “galaxies” which isn’t surprising, b4, given the scientists thought that was the most likely outcome right from the start and in fact exactly what IRAS was sent to find in the first place.

            • LifeIs

              The “reporter’s error” was not relevant to our discussion. I think they said trillions instead of billions, or something.

              Neither trillions nor billions of miles would apply to intergalactic distances.

              Those are measured in parsecs.

              And again, the reason for thinking it’s not dust around a distant galaxy WAS then and IS now: the wavelength.

              For a nearby planet, the wavelength gives you a temperature of 40 K.

              There was no galaxy visible optically. They suggested the observation could be dust around a galaxy. And when you account for REDSHIFT, the temperature you get becomes unrealistic.

              A galaxy so far away they couldn’t SEE it in 1983? That’s a lot of redshift.

              I’ve tried to explain this to you many times, Mayhem, once I realized you had no idea. But you still have none.

            • Mayhem

              I don’t rely on your explanations, Lifels, although your arguments are interesting…

              https://scholar.google.co.nz/scholar?q=IRAS+neugebauer&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5

              … and prefer to rely on the published scientific literature despite your claim that it’s all a big cover-up.

        • LucidMebin

          YES! Exactly my point! THANK YOU!
          And also, it’s a giant planet – can’t exactly sneak up on us – and it’s its THAT far away that we can’t see it like actually SEE IT – I think we have PLENTY of time. Logic people.

          • LifeIs

            Jupiter is a giant planet. Where is it, relative to us, right now? You don’t know. You don’t notice Jupiter’s movements, even though the Sun and everything else in the solar system orbit the barycenter, of Jupiter and the Sun.

            That’s right, the Sun itself swings around the center of mass of Jupiter and the Sun together, the balancing point between them. That is above the surface of the Sun. And you don’t notice that point moving. Or the Sun wobbling in its path. Which it does.

            In the 1980s we learned that small dark comets were disintegrating just above our atmosphere, all the time. And about once every ten years, one we have one large enough to reach the upper atmosphere and explode like a nuclear bomb.

            We don’t see them coming. They are black with frozen hydrocarbons. And the smaller ones, 20 to 40 tons each, arrive seconds apart, not minutes or hours.

            We can only tell how far away an infrared source is by parallax. Wavelength gives us temperature and/or distance by redshift.

            Planet X hasn’t been sneaking up on us, it was disturbing the outer planets over a century ago. Astronomers actively looked for it, until Robert Harrington’s demise in 1993. Rodney Marks’ death by poison in 2000 was a message.

            You don’t have plenty of time.

            • Central Scrutinizer

              ^^ You don’t have plenty of time.

              Said the Maroon who predicted the impending arrival of the mythical Planet X being “weeks away” back in August….. :mrgreen:

              /alternative/2015/08/the-bell-hath-tolled-planet-x-astounding-startling-3204256.html

            • LucidMebin

              Jupiter is 588 MILLION kilometers from us – it’s a hike.

              And if by SOME CRAZY chance all you nuts are right – we’re all dead…so oh well.

              Go put your tin foil hat on – and waste your life being afraid and doing math equations to figure out when the world MIGHT end like they have been (and been wrong about) for centuries.

              I’m gonna go live life.

            • LifeIs

              LucidMebin how does keeping up with what’s going on stop you from living your life?

              “And if by SOME CRAZY chance all you nuts are right – we’re all dead…so oh well.”

              I hate to be the one to tell you, but you’re going to die from SOMETHING eventually, and THAT fact shouldn’t stop you from living NOW.

              Central Scrutinizer reading our leaders’ behavior wrong, about timing, does not equate to being wrong about a planet that has been and is affecting ours.

            • LifeIs

              LucidMebin the “center of gravity” of Jupiter and the Sun together is above the surface of the Sun.

              And we orbit that point.

            • LucidMebin

              LifeIs – clearly you missed my point. I read this site for entertainment. I was replying to your very long comment with all this research fueled by paranoia.
              I AM living my life, and not worrying about fake prophecies.

              K bye

    • Hank Hill

      There is nothing coming

    • Conundrum

      This is the slowest freight train I have never seen.

      • LifeIs

        It takes a long time for Planet X to complete one orbit. Thousands of years. And it’s been noticeably affecting the solar system for over a century.

        Be glad it’s been slow. The last time it got close, it changed Earth’s axis of rotation. Moved the north and south poles. Froze eastern Siberia and melted north America and Europe.

        Pope John 23rd and Father Malachi Martin both read the unpublished part of the Fatima prophecy. The Pope fainted when he read it, in 1960.

        Martin said in April of 1997, that a catastrophe “worse than you could imagine” would occur, and “it won’t be twenty years” (from then.)

        Pope John Paul II was asked about the Fatima prophecy, and he suggested millions would die at once, from oceans sweeping over land. Martin was asked if millions would die, and Martin said, “It’s worse than that.”

        Pope John 23rd was born in 1881. He lived through depressions, world wars, the cold war, and the nuclear-bomb standoff. But a one-page description of OUR FUTURE made him faint.

        The 100 year anniversary of the first Fatima visitation is in May of 2017. Malachi Martin said we don’t have that long.

        Pope John 23rd refused to publish the prophecy, on the grounds that it wasn’t for his time. That is a confirmation that the prophecy has a time frame, as Martin said.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          “The last time it got close, it changed Earth’s axis of rotation. Moved the north and south poles. Froze eastern Siberia and melted north America and Europe.”

          And yet, the Great Pyramid in Giza is still aligned to true north within 1/500th of an inch. Oops.

          • Damien

            The time spans of geomagnetic are randomly distributed with most being between 0.1 and 1 million years [citation needed] with an average of 450,000 years. Most reversals are estimated to take between 1,000 and 10,000 years. The latest one, the Brunhes–Matuyama reversal, occurred 780,000 years ago; and may have happened very quickly, within a human lifetime.[1] A brief complete reversal, known as the Laschamp event, occurred only 41,000 years ago during the last glacial period. That reversal lasted only about 440 years with the actual change of polarity lasting around 250 years. During this change the strength of the magnetic field dropped to 5% of its present strength.[2] Brief disruptions that do not result in reversal are called geomagnetic excursions.

            ========

            So IF the poles start shifting THEN start thinking about bugging out sometime in the next thousand years.

            • Mayhem

              That’s the magnetic poles, Damien, whereas Lifels is talking about the physical poles and axis shifts and sich. Two different things, yes?

              Personally i’m fit to bust wondering how Lifels is going to explain away Beef’s point.

              He’s previously lost out on the IRAS argument and it looks, scroll down, like Clucker is explaining coincidence to him so there’s really not much basis left for this Nibiru nonsense.

            • LifeIs

              Mayhem is not exactly correct, Damien, as the change in the magnetism of rocks may result from EITHER a magnetic pole shift OR an axis shift.

              Or a “geomagnetic excursion.” ha ha, That’s a good term for, oops this magnetism doesn’t fit the pattern we’re selling.

              The last axis shift moved the north pole from just south of Greenland, to where it is now.

              However Damien you are quoting supposition, when you talk about how long a magnetic pole shift takes. The assumptions begin with the assumption that the Earth’s core somehow generates the magnetic field. As opposed to an electric current flowing through the plasma around us, and flowing through us.

              Mayhem is again dead wrong, as Beef Supreme has got the pyramid too old, or the axis shift too recent.

              And Mayhem is sticking to the “distant galaxy shrouded in dust” story of the 1983 IRAS observations. Plural. Which I gave the figures for elsewhere. Wavelength gives the object a temperature of 40 K if it’s nearby. And if it were a distant galaxy, the dust would have to be exceptionally hot, considering redshift.

              As for “coincidence,” well yes, there are coincidental happenings in the world today. But the ones I’ve been talking about are causally related.

            • Mayhem

              So Nibiru doesn’t cause an axis shift every time it comes passed…

              http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RvZB2n3r_qA/VPS0WhioC4I/AAAAAAAAe08/OEqC-WWCIng/s1600/z13.jpg

              … only every 3rd or 4th time?

              Come now, Lifels, with such nonsense.

            • Mayhem

              I’m fairly certain that .jpg is right out of Sitchin’s book and when i say Nibiru supposedly comes “passed” i really mean wraps around.

              Please don’t tell me Sitchin-is-wrong-dot-com because he was the world authority after all.

            • LifeIs

              and Mayhem i have no idea what the sitchin guy said, i have his books and haven’t bothered to read them. He is not an authority on the matters under discussion.

            • Mayhem

              Then what is your authority, Lifels, and did you notice Beef asked you the same thing? Except i mean scholarly authority. Whose opinion do you base yours on?

            • Mayhem

              “And no, Mayhem, Planet X does not come close to Earth EVERY time. It’s a big solar system.”

              If it’s supposed to have been passed before, regardless how long ago, and it is returning then it is on an orbit. If there’s one thing we know about orbits they can be projected forwards and backwards to a high degree of accuracy.

              For example the Planetary orbits, of our solar system, have been calculated 1000 years in advance because of how they affect satellites.

              Also the NASA near earth object program has calculated the impact risks of nearly 600 asteroids extending out for 100 years. Not to mention how we generally seem to know when a cool comet is about to put on a display.

              Of course such calculations are reliant on observation but according to you Nibiru has been seen so the math should have been done. Surely, Lifels, you jest suggesting that the orbital plane, trajectory, duration or frequency changes?

              You’ve never mentioned it, and just as Beef is hinting, Joshua’s long day happened around 3,400-3,500 years ago. According to this old cynic that’s about the best evidence in favour of this mysterious blue winged planet of the crossing.

              Oh and the solar system, Lifels, might be considered big in relation to say earth and it’s moon but when compared to the known universe it is tiny. This supposed Nibiru, again regardless its duration, has an orbit that extends way, way, beyond our solar system.

            • LifeIs

              Joshua’s long day is a story, Mayhem. Perhaps inspired by oral history or legends, like the Chinese Kun Kun creation myth.

              In which the Earth tilts, relative to the stars.

              Or it could be whimsical, like “The Walrus and the Carpenter.” In which the sun was shining brightly, in the middle of the night.

              The ancients weren’t scrupulous about writing history. They freely fictionalized.

              What you would like for me to do is discuss authors I don’t care about, creative thinkers, yes, but with out of date information.

              “Sources” for Planet X are: a century or so of astronomy. The Pioneer anomaly. The high tides of 2009. And anomalous waves since, including the one in 2013. The changes in the magnetosphere since 2009.

              Sources for axis shift are: sudden climate changes shown by geology and paleontology, Herodotus in Egypt, cataclysmic floods and the “Younger Dryas,” legends from around the world, changes in the magnetism of rock formed at different times.

            • LifeIs

              Mayhem, the Earth is an average 93 million miles from the Sun.

              That means from one side of its orbit to the other, the distance is about 186 million miles.

              Planet X affects us from millions of miles away, but to cause dramatic effects, it has to get that close.

              We are not going to encounter Planet X every time it swings through the solar system.

              We are going to encounter it this time, because Pope John Paul II had information that he alluded to, and John 23rd and Malachi Martin, information about a catastrophe.

              Pope John 23rd lived through depressions, world wars, the nuclear standoff of the Cold War. And when he read the unpublished part of the Fatima prophecy he fainted.

              And because our leaders have been building bunkers for themselves, for decades, and have been assassinating astronomers for decades.

              Why did you THINK the internal security FSB of RUSSIA visited the infrared South Pole Telescope in 2007? Why did you think astrophysicist Rodney Marks was poisoned in 2000?

            • BEEF SUPREME

              So for the record, according to LifeIs, Inspired Scripture is:

              “Perhaps inspired by oral history or legends…”

              “…whimsical, like “The Walrus and the Carpenter.””

              And…

              “The ancients (inspired authors of the Word of God) weren’t scrupulous about writing history. They freely fictionalized.”

              So. It’s important to get these things on the table, LifeIs. Now we know where you’re coming from in your predictions and assessments. One wonders though – if you take such a dim view of the Scriptures, then what is your source for valid information about the God I’ve seen you claim you believe in? If you don’t believe the written Word, what do you believe?

            • Mayhem

              The earth tilting in relation to the stars wouldn’t affect the length of the day, Lifels, only the length of the light/dark ratio. Where one portion of the earth would receive more daylight another area will receive less and all things would remain in balance. The tilt has an affect on seasons not the 24hr cycle. The effect of axial precession isn’t anything new after all.

              Based on the 11-12 thousand year orbital period Nibiru would be within our solar system between 2,750 yrs to 3,000 yrs. Based on the 3,600 yr cycle Nibiru would be closer than our furthest known planet for around 900 yrs. Plenty of time for the full affects to happen every time Nibiru does the fly-by.

              If you will concede that orbits are usually very consistent then the differing proximity, at Perigee, is in the order of 1.6% of the total orbit of this mythical Nibiru. Not to mention being closer to earth than the Sun, depending on the model, for 360 – 1,200 years.

              The Pope controls Nibiru and you’ll believe the Fatima prophecies but the Bible is a fairy tale! Have you lost the ability to reason?

              Your sources are the opinions of men, the legends of lore, and a moist finger held up to test the breeze? Okay, Lifels, or did you just realize that your sources are Sitchinists?

              The power elite are building dumbs because they fear Adam-kinds awakening. They need somewhere to hide while they go full postal on the useless eaters.

            • LifeIs

              Good grief, Mayhem. Of course the tilt of the axis affects the length of the day, because it’s different at different LATITUDES.

              When the North and South poles move, so does your distance from them. Your latitude.

              Enoch described the length of the day, in the different seasons, and that would be valid for his distance from the pole, at the time.

              Which places him as far north as Newfoundland, in the northern hemisphere. Unless he wrote from what is now Palestine before the axis shift.

              And your orbital stats are so wildly wrong, you cannot be serious.

              Pluto orbits the Sun in 248 years. A planet that orbits every 11,000-12,000 years is far outside our solar system, almost all the time.

              No, it is not within the solar system for half the time. No, it is not closer to us than the other planets for centuries at a time. Good grief.

              And Planet X is not in our orbital plane. That makes close encounters even less frequent.

              My information is of all kinds, from many sources. One must put it together, oneself.

              The Fatima information was delivered in 1917, it predicted the next great war, and the sign in the heavens that would precede it.

              And the Vatican moved German priests out of the South Pacific islands, prior to WW 2. So they wouldn’t be tempted to collaborate.

              Do you get that? In WW 1, Japan and Germany were enemies. But the Vatican knew they would be on the same side in WW 2.

              The Vatican takes the Fatima information very seriously. So should you.

              Some of the Bible is plainly wrong, as it says one thing in one place, and something different elsewhere. I stick to what I can prove, with history.

              And remember the end of Revelation? The curse on anybody who changes the text?

              That’s the ONLY book in the whole Bible that insisted on being copied exactly. The three non-eyewitness gospel writers did the best they could, but they included embellishments of legend and rumor.

              The eyewitness account seen in the gospel of John is the plain truth.

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “Some of the Bible is plainly wrong, as it says one thing in one place, and something different elsewhere.”

              You know you’ll be called on that statement, LifeIs. So why not just provide an example or examples to go with the claim?

              Examples please?

              And why haven’t you devoted the kind of time to Scripture study that you have to Catholic prophecies and the machinations of the Vatican?

              Have you?

              Let’s see. What are your examples of the Bible being ‘wrong’?

              ???

            • Mayhem

              Quite, Lifels, precession results in a magnetically and astronomically detectable planetary wobble that resolves itself over a 26,000 year cycle. Glad you’re paying attention. The tilt of earth’s axis, as it orbits the sun, produces the seasons and i obviously lost the plot for a while there. I do that some times.

              The point, though, is that the length of the day doesn’t change only the daylight to darkness ratio. The difference between sunsets in the middle of summer compared to winter is less than 2 hrs across the inhabited part of the globe. Joshua’s long day was said to have lasted about a full day which nothing less than a catastrophic tilting and axial shift of the planet could achieve or else someone hit the pause button. Could the great pyramid have been built to evidence that such a thing has never happened since as per Joshua 10:14?

              Personally i don’t think God uses rogue planets to achieve His purpose, though He could, and Nibiru sure ain’t Wormwood as far as i can tell. Otherwise in another x number of years the planet gets a rude awakening for no good reason. God says perfection for eternity not “till next time”.

              As an aside; what do you make of Isaiah’s 10 degrees, 2nd Kings 20:1-21, or forty minute anomaly? As for some of the Bible being plainly wrong this thread isn’t the place to get into that but… the hell you say! I’ll remember you said that.

              Sure my math could be way off but this Nibiru won’t be a momentary thing will it? I postulated that it would be within our solar system for a quarter of its orbit not half like you suggested.

              Where you do make a lot of sense regards your treatise on the relative orbital planes. I’ll readily agree that your argument provides an opportunity for apparent sporadic behaviour from this mythical Nibiru. Perhaps this is the crux of our disagreement, Lifels, where you argue for change and i argue for continuity. Is that my bias showing? Sure thing because God does not change and neither does the creation unless He changes it.

            • LifeIs

              Mayhem, no, if you’re at a pole, your day or night will be six months long.

              About the shadow in II Kings 20, remember people at Fatima saw the sun appear to move, and they also saw colors.

              THOSE things happen when light is refracted. Objects appear to change position. White light is split into colors.

              It would be a lot easier to refract sunlight, than it would be to alter the position or movement of the planet.

            • Mayhem

              Who lives at the poles regardless whether they shift about or not? I was talking about the few degrees either side of the equator that we do live on. The population distribution looks like this…

              http://static02.mediaite.com/themarysue/uploads//2010/08/world-pop-latitude.png

              … where the 75th percentile includes around 90% of the population who live within 20 degrees of the equator.

              The Fatima prophecies are from the 20th century whereas Scripture is little bit older so what’s the chance there was some plagiarism going on?

              I agree it would be far easier to refract light than it would be to stay, or tilt, the planet but if that was the case God sure didn’t say it that way.

          • LifeIs

            BEEF SUPREME your chronology is Oops. The axis shift occurred 11,000-12,000 years ago, or thereabouts.

            As you should have known from the description of eastern Siberia suddenly freezing and the ice sheets on the opposite side of the world melting.

            Your Great Pyramid was built after that.

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “The axis shift occurred 11,000-12,000 years ago, or thereabouts.”

              Based on WHAT, LifeIs? The musings of Velikovsky? What then?

              Are you a Bible guy or aren’t you? What’s your source of authority? God? Or the traditions of men?

              “As you should have known from the description of eastern Siberia suddenly freezing and the ice sheets on the opposite side of the world melting.”

              I should have known, eh? This is what I know:

              Jeremiah 31:35-36

              Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for light by day and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar— the LORD of hosts is his name:

              “If this fixed order departs from before me, declares the LORD, then shall the offspring of Israel cease from being a nation before me forever.”

              Seems pretty straight forward to me. The order of the Sun and the Moon in the sky has not been altered at all – but for the day when Joshua tampered with the mechanism. And of THAT day it is written:

              Joshua 10:14

              There has been no day like it before or since…

              “Your Great Pyramid was built after that.”

              When is it, exactly, that my Great Pyramid was built? According to you?

            • LifeIs

              No, based on the events of the time, in climate and geology.

              The end of the ice sheet (polar ice cap) where I come from. The carbon dating of the suddenly-frozen mammoths on the opposite side of the world. Like I said.

              Geez, debate the age of the Earth with someone else. The great cataclysm was 11,000 -12,000 years ago, around there somewhere.

              And no, Mayhem, Planet X does not come close to Earth EVERY time. It’s a big solar system.

            • Geheimnis Schwarze Sonne

              IN TER ESTING how you say “YOUR PYRAMIDS”

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “The carbon dating of the suddenly-frozen mammoths on the opposite side of the world.”

              You’re a carbon-dating guy, eh? That throws a serious monkey in the wrench for a Bible guy, no? Are logical inconsistencies a problem for you, or not?

              “The great cataclysm was 11,000 -12,000 years ago, around there somewhere.”

              Because LifeIs says so. Forgive me if I don’t join that club.

            • LifeIs

              BEEF SUPREME not that it matters to the planets, but my beliefs about the Bible are:

              I believe the parts that are established historical fact, like the life of Jesus. I believe the gospel of John was written by an eyewitness.

              An eyewitness to the trial before the Sanhedrin, and the one before Pilate. An eyewitness to the crucifixion and the resurrection.

              I believe Jesus said plainly in John 8 that he was in human form on Earth at the time of Abraham. He said Abraham hadn’t tried to kill him, as the Jews were doing.

              I believe Christian theology can be seen in the books of Enoch.

              I believe that Enoch wrote before the last axis shift. (based on Enoch’s description of the length of days at various equinoxes)

              Obviously this is the short version of my beliefs.

            • LifeIs

              BEEF SUPREME by the way, you don’t need to alter the movements of the Earth to make sunset stop.

              You’d just have to refract the light. Bend the light. And guess what, you don’t need a glass prism. You could use air or plasma as a lens, if you could control it.

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “I believe the parts that are established historical fact…”

              So you count on the secular record to confirm the supernatural Word? Seems a bit backward to me, but okay.

              “I believe the gospel of John was written by an eyewitness.”

              One Gospel out of four. Do you dismiss the others?

              “I believe Jesus said plainly in John 8 that he was in human form on Earth at the time of Abraham.”

              Wow. You read all that into: …πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι ἐγὼ εἰμί. (…before Abraham was, I AM)

              ???

              Seems to me if your ideas had merit, Messiah would have simply said: ‘before Abraham was, I was.’ There would be far less room for confusion that way. There would also be far less room for misinterpretation.

              “He said Abraham hadn’t tried to kill him, as the Jews were doing.”

              Nothing of the kind was ever said by Messiah in the Gospel of John, or in any other Gospel for that matter.

              “I believe Christian theology can be seen in the books of Enoch.”

              BookS, eh? Plural? You find 2 and 3 Enoch to be something other than Gnostic fabrications of Kabbalistic fancy? Okie doke.

              “I believe that Enoch wrote before the last axis shift. (based on Enoch’s description of the length of days at various equinoxes)…”

              Length of years, you mean. Enoch never gave us definitive information about length of days. What he did was describe a 364 day calendar, which is at odds with our current 365.24+ day solar year. That leaves a discrepancy of about a day. Notice anything odd about that, LifeIs? Joshua tampered with the ‘system’ and the Sun and Moon stood still for the space of ‘about a day.’ And he never fixed it. Coincidence?

              “…you don’t need to alter the movements of the Earth to make sunset stop.”

              If the Earth moves, then that is probably true.

              “You’d just have to refract the light. Bend the light. And guess what, you don’t need a glass prism. You could use air or plasma as a lens, if you could control it.”

              I don’t discount your suggestion. I imagine the Most High could do many things by many means when it comes to tailoring His Creation to suit His purposes.

            • LifeIs

              BEEF SUPREME

              John chapter 8

              39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

              40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

              “THIS DID NOT Abraham.” (Abraham did not try to KILL him, therefore he must have been human.)

              As for different parts of the Bible saying different things, well. Compare the accounts of the arrest of Jesus.

              In John 18:

              4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?

              5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

              6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

              7 Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.

              8 Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way

              In Matthew 26:

              48 Now he that betrayed him gave them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he: hold him fast.

              49 And forthwith he came to Jesus, and said, Hail, master; and kissed him.

              50 And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus, and took him.

              Mark and Luke and Matthew all report Judas identified Jesus with a kiss, John reports Jesus identified himself, no kiss.

              And notice the trial before Pilate, in John, it’s like the captain’s mast on a navy ship. A brief hearing. No hand washing. No wife’s dream. No trial before Herod.

              I could do more examples but…surely that’s enough.

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “(Abraham did not try to KILL him, therefore he must have been human.)”

              So He did. Abraham did not try to kill Jesus. I don’t know Scripture as well as I should. Touché. But you are importing meaning into the verse which isn’t there. Abraham did not attempt to kill the Son of God. This says nothing of Messiah inhabiting human form during the time of Abraham. You have completely introduced that concept and artificially inserted it into the verse. To what end?

              “As for different parts of the Bible saying different things, well. Compare the accounts of the arrest of Jesus.”

              Yes, let us do.

              The examples you give are not contradictory at all. Students of the Word learn very early on that descriptive accounts of events in Scripture are almost never exhaustive. For example, in Genesis we find the order to bring animals onto the Ark by pairs. Later on, the order is explained more fully when Noah is ordered to bring seven pairs of all clean animals. Again, this isn’t contradictory. Scripture is to be considered as a whole; as a unit. That is the ONLY way to make sense of the entire Volume.

              “I could do more examples but…surely that’s enough.”

              Yes, you will find many examples in Scripture of specific details being described in one place but not another. I would ask you, does something in one version PRECLUDE the additional details spoken of in another telling? It is outright silly of you to suggest that is the case, especially when we are given no instruction by the authors that a narrative in one place is exclusive and exhaustive.

              This is a very weak objection you raise, LifeIs. Your belief in Scripture must be equally weak in order for your mental model of the Word to reflect such inadequate foundations.

            • LifeIs

              BEEF SUPREME

              (1) Jesus was speaking to the Jews when he said Abraham had not tried to kill him.

              He had not identified himself as the Messiah or the Christ or the Son of God, at that time. He called himself the “son of man,” like the “son of man” in Enoch, who existed before the stars were created.

              Matthew chapter 16

              20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

              Mark chapter 8

              29 And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.

              30 And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.

              So yes, he was saying he was in human form, at the time of Abraham.

              And Hebrews 7 says he will be a priest king as Melchizedek was. And since Abraham met Melchizedek and knew Jesus in human form, maybe Jesus was Melchizedek.

              (2) Those ARE contradictions. It’s not a matter of omission, when Jesus identifies himself at Gethsemane. Judas did not approach, or kiss, or identify Jesus in the gospel of John. Jesus identified himself, twice.

              You are seeing two different stories. Same with Pilate. You have an eyewitness account, and verbatim dialogue, in John, yes? Just the words spoken there.

              No asides about a wife having a dream. And what about the purple robe? In John, Pilate’s soldiers supplied the purple robe.

              In Luke, Herod and his soldiers supplied the purple robe. Different stories.

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “Jesus was speaking to the Jews when he said Abraham had not tried to kill him.”

              Agreed.

              “He had not identified himself as the Messiah or the Christ or the Son of God, at that time.”

              Debatable. But let’s say you’re right and He hadn’t yet identified Himself to the Pharisees.

              “He called himself the “son of man,” like the “son of man” in Enoch, who existed before the stars were created.”

              Continuing, you cited:

              “Matthew chapter 16

              20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

              Mark chapter 8

              29 And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.

              30 And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.

              So yes, he was saying he was in human form, at the time of Abraham.”

              WHAT are you talking about? There isn’t a single scrap in any of what you just cited, about Messiah being in human form at the time of Abraham. Where is it, LifeIs?

              “And Hebrews 7 says he will be a priest king as Melchizedek was. And since Abraham met Melchizedek and knew Jesus in human form, maybe Jesus was Melchizedek.”

              He almost certainly WAS/IS Melchizedek. But of Melchizedek it is written:

              Hebrews 7:3

              He is without father or mother or genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but resembling the Son of God he continues a priest forever.

              So I ask, what human does that verse apply to? Killable human form? Gabriel and certain other angels appeared as men, but nothing is written that would tell us they wore killable man suits just because they did. Again LifeIs, you import meaning into the verses which plainly does not exist as the verses are written. This is a very common error, but it is one which I am a bit surprised you are so entangled with.

              “Those ARE contradictions. It’s not a matter of omission, when Jesus identifies himself at Gethsemane. Judas did not approach, or kiss, or identify Jesus in the gospel of John. Jesus identified himself, twice.

              You are seeing two different stories. Same with Pilate. You have an eyewitness account, and verbatim dialogue, in John, yes?”

              Nonsense. And speaking of nonsense, what SENSE would it make to repeat the exact, identical in all ways, story more than once? In Scripture, as I stated and as the evidence plainly shows, we are given additional information to piece together with previous accountings, such that we may glean a fuller understanding of the events as they transpired. This really is basic stuff, LifeIs.

              “In Luke, Herod and his soldiers supplied the purple robe. Different stories.”

              No, LifeIs. Not different stories. And your attitude toward the written word perfectly resolves my previous bewilderment at how a man of the Scriptures could be so misled by worldly distractions. It was perplexing to me. Not anymore. You have no love for the Word of God, and as such you have nothing but vanity to lean on.

            • LifeIs

              BEEF SUPREME

              What harm can there be, in being honest with yourself?

              How can you be honest with God, without being honest with yourself?

              Jesus was not sent to Herod, in the gospel of John.

              The purple robe was not placed upon him by the soldiers of Herod, in the gospel of John.

              A purple robe was placed on Jesus by the soldiers of WHO?

              Pilate, as described in the gospel of John, or Herod, as described in Luke?

              Only a person in human form can be killed.

              John 8:40 as cited. Jesus asserted that the Jews sought to kill him, and that Abraham had NOT done that.

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “What harm can there be, in being honest with yourself?”

              That all depends on your definition of ‘honest.’ Is your definition in keeping with the Word?

              “How can you be honest with God, without being honest with yourself?”

              Are you honest with God, LifeIs? Are you honest with yourself?

              “Jesus was not sent to Herod, in the gospel of John.”

              And because the Gospel of John makes no mention of Herod, Matthew Mark and Luke are discredited in your eyes? Is that honesty? Have you exhausted other possibilities before concluding that the Scriptures err?

              “The purple robe was not placed upon him by the soldiers of Herod, in the gospel of John.”

              So what?

              LifeIs asks:

              “A purple robe was placed on Jesus by the soldiers of WHO?”

              Why don’t you tell me, LifeIs.

              “Pilate, as described in the gospel of John, or Herod, as described in Luke?”

              So according to you, there is absolutely NO WAY conceivable that both Herod’s men and Pilate’s men were simple-minded enough to come up with the same insult. Just not possible, eh? And this:

              “Only a person in human form can be killed.”

              Is that so? And your qualifications to make this determination are based on what, exactly? Moot, though that point would be, even if you had an answer, which I doubt you do. Because you are speculating in any event. Your speculation amounts to poor theology and an insufficient grasp of the Scriptural Narrative.

            • BEEF SUPREME

              Did you pack it in already, LifeIs? That’s too bad. I had answers for a few of your next possible objections all racked up and ready to deploy. Like, for instance, the fact that the robe isn’t always described as being purple, but is in at least one place described as being scarlet (Matthew 27:28).

              But again, if your knee-jerk response is to view this as error or contradiction, then you will have cut yourself off from any expanded avenues of study (via verse/passage connection or concordance) you might otherwise have gleaned. For example: which are the TWO colors described as being emblems of Babylonian royalty in Revelation and elsewhere? And is it a mere coincidence those are the two identical colors used to describe the robe Messiah was made to wear? Is it possible that a robe made of one color but with a different color border or fringe, could be described as being either one or the other color, and so described without contradiction? Certainly it could.

              When we come across apparent contradictions like this, it is an indication that we should open our eyes even wider and look for the possibilities. When we do so, we will find them. In Scripture, answers to apparent contradictions are always there. But your decision has been to close your eyes and to conclude that Scripture is valueless as being tainted by error and fanciful fabrication. That, LifeIs, is what has left you as susceptible as you are to the folly of the world.

            • LifeIs

              BEEF SUPREME

              It is not merely an apparent contradiction, as you yourself prove.

              It is different stories.

              If you were a PROSECUTOR:

              And you were told, Pilate’s soldiers put a scarlet robe on the victim. And the victim never saw Herod. (Matthew 27)

              And Pilate’s soldiers clothed the victim in purple. And the victim never saw Herod. (Mark 15)

              And Pilate’s soldiers placed a purple robe on the victim. And the victim never saw Herod. (John 19)

              And Herod’s soldiers placed a robe on the victim. (Luke 23)

              You will have to decide whether to convict Herod’s men, or Pilate’s men, but you can’t convict both. Because NOBODY said both did it.

              And you must choose whether to accuse Pilate’s men of using a scarlet robe, or a purple robe.

              If I were you I’d stick to the eyewitness account in John.

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “It is not merely an apparent contradiction, as you yourself prove.”

              I myself have done nothing of the kind. Rather, I move to show that ALL apparent contradictions in Scripture are resolved, if not by examining the verses in Hebrew or Greek, or by demonstrating conclusively the existence of scribal error and/or tampering, then by seeking recourse to other portions of Scripture which connect with the area(s) so highlighted. That is a world of difference away from where you presently stand, LifeIs.

              “If you were a PROSECUTOR: And you were told, Pilate’s soldiers put a scarlet robe on the victim. And the victim never saw Herod. (Matthew 27)”

              Do please show me from Matthew 27 where anything is said about NOT seeing Herod. You see LifeIs, this is precisely the kind of disingenuous dealing which makes your foray into the Word an unprofitable one. Overtop of these passages, you are superimposing meaning which simply does not exist as the verses are written.

              “And the victim never saw Herod. (Mark 15)”

              Show me never saw Herod.

              “And the victim never saw Herod. (John 19)”

              Show me never saw Herod. I think you get the point by now. Bring it. Don’t just say it. You’re not being honest.

              “And Herod’s soldiers placed a robe on the victim. (Luke 23)”

              There is no reason to presume error in any of the above. Your presuming error before you have moved to examine other possibilities, is a self-imposed handicap which not only limits your successful navigation of the Labyrinth, it virtually eliminates all possibilities for your ever finishing the course the way we are expected to.

              “You will have to decide whether to convict Herod’s men, or Pilate’s men, but you can’t convict both. Because NOBODY said both did it.”

              Your circumstantial evidence is not only flimsy, it is transparent. You are no Bible guy, LifeIs. It has taken me these many years to learn that about you. You are far too quick to judge the Word because you give yourself too much credit as a fact-finder.

              “And you must choose whether to accuse Pilate’s men of using a scarlet robe, or a purple robe.”

              No. We must choose to suppose the robe was both crimson and scarlet. That is if – if we hope to come through these passages intact and proceed into the remainder of our Study. You can’t do this thing with ONE Gospel, LifeIs. You can only do it with FOUR. The reasons for four Gospels are myriad; and the reasons are profound. Merely re-telling the same events in the exact same manner four times would serve NO purpose at all. Yet that seems to be what you are demanding. That there even ARE four Gospels is worth pondering; it is worth meditating.

              “If I were you I’d stick to the eyewitness account in John.”

              But since I’m not you, I’m left wondering how much more of the Word you have tested and found wanting because you’ve made your sally into the Labyrinth while walking solely by sight. Let the Word teach you. Seek honestly for the resolution to all apparent contradictions and you will find them. You will find them in all instances, save none. And God isn’t beyond letting you do a little wrestling.

              Adenine, Guanine, Cytosine, Thymine. Three of a ‘kind’; one vastly different. That’s how life is formed. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The Man, the Lion, the Ox and the Eagle. You will NEVER finish with only one, LifeIs. You need all four.

            • LifeIs

              BEEF SUPREME

              What’s wrong with respecting what is actually written?

              Nobody writes, “President Obama went to Hawaii this week, but he didn’t go to Alaska.”

              They write where he WENT.

              Not all the places he didn’t go.

              If President Obama wears a red tie, and someone says he wore a blue tie at that event, you know one of them is wrong.

              Don’t lie to yourself. It’s a losing game.

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “What’s wrong with respecting what is actually written?”

              One of us is doing exactly that, LifeIs. And guess what. It isn’t you. If you respected what is written, then you would know that the events of the period leading up to the crucifixion of Messiah included at least one visit to Herod’s palace complex. I’ve suggested to you now, on more than one occasion, that it would be folly to simply re-iterate an identical version of events four times, or even twice. Take Deuteronomy for instance. The very name means a re-telling. But the events described are not described identically in all cases. (An even clearer example follows.) Frankly LifeIs, there are only a few reasons why you would be as hung up on this particular point as you are – and one of them is that you are entirely unfamiliar with the Scriptures as a whole. Take, for example, the event of the Apostle Paul’s conversion on the road to Damascus. Are you a Paul denier merely because there are apparent discrepancies in the various accountings of his first meeting with Messiah? If you at all consistent in your approach to the Scriptures, then you would have to be a Paul denier as well as a Gospel denier. I don’t recall you saying as much in the past, but again, consistency on your part would require it. Unless, that is, you have done the necessary foot-work to disentangle the apparent contradictions and reveal them to be no contradictions at all. Consistency, LifeIs: an indispensable component of successful Labyrinth negotiation.

              “Nobody writes, “President Obama went to Hawaii this week, but he didn’t go to Alaska.””

              And they wouldn’t have to, if elsewhere it had previously been established that he went to Alaska.

              “They write where he WENT.”

              And the authors of the Gospels did exactly that. They did exactly that, LifeIs.

              “If President Obama wears a red tie, and someone says he wore a blue tie at that event, you know one of them is wrong.”

              Not if the constituent colors of the tie were blue and red diagonal stripes.

              “Don’t lie to yourself. It’s a losing game.”

              Log brother. Remove the log from your own eye.

          • Geheimnis Schwarze Sonne

            LOOOOK what i find,,, i wonder what this vers3e is aboot,

            Hos 5:7 “They have acted treacherously against יהוה, for they have brought forth strange children. Now a new moon shall devour them with their portions.

            dinnae forget, to take it in context of the WHOOOOLE paragraph, then think, what is the Literal meaning behind this verse, and then what is the Inner Meaning behind this verse, and then what is the Heavenly meaning behind this verse.

            i am not a believer in “planet x” or “nibiru” as its conceptualization is presented, i wait for the BLACK SUN, shwartze sonne, the fact of the matter is, something SMOKES this planet every now and again. and Beef is 100% correct, that alignment is o so handy , imagine, how handy a huge reference point would be, if the whole earth were to flip, for say, people who wanted to make maps.

            i submit for thy perusal, something that will hopefully lead to further study:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24eIah-Rg9w

            it, is under Intelligent Control, and comes closer, then further, and then closer, asif it were TOYING with us, as if, it was under the Control of SomeOne with a Sense of Humor.

            A bullet in the gun, to the head of the world, as they sit upon their knees, REPENT OR DIE! the decree is given, but the gun they do not see, nor do they even know upon their knees they sit, folded over, broken lives shattered dreams, PULL THE TRIGGER, it would be a mercy killing! Let me gaze upon the gristle an bone as it arcs through the air! may the crows feed! anyway, before i get too exited, we aint even in the ” Luk_21:26 men fainting from fear and the expectation of what is coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. ”
            part yet.

            The Destroyer, is a better term, “nibiru” and “planet x” are very gay names.
            also acceptable is “The World Breaker” or “El- enin” (GodHammer) , one could also wax poetical aboot it:

            The sky’s bird struck fire,
            Made a flame flare up.
            The north wind burnt the clearing.
            The north-east quite consumed it:
            It burnt all the trees to ash and reduced them to dust

            We downhorns know “nibiru” to be FENRIS. devours the sun, brings the death of the gods. I thought velikovskys books were quite rad, but he misses ze elephant in ze room, the ONLY SOLID Guide we have is the Bible, and it says

            Day of YHWH is the CORRECT Term.

            This expression appears some 30 times in the Scriptures, and this particular day is also referred to by means of equivalent phrases, about 300 times. It speaks of the visitation, the punishment, when יהוה actively intervenes to punish sin, especially at the end of the ages.

            planet x shmanet mex.
            All it is, ia a helper, cause theres a LOT of stuff that we have to break, and well, need all ze help one can get, did you know, electricity is ahrimanic light?

    • Boxed in Freight

      There are too many REALLY impressively educated people that are sounding the alarm bells on this event for it to be a fantasy. And, there are too many unexplained deaths of researchers willing to expose what they know for this event to be a farce.

      Before the Biblical Flood mankind was very advanced, then after that event, mankind began living in tents made from animal skins, cooking with bowls made from clay, using stone arrowheads for hunting, stone for hammers and grain grinders, it’s as though mankind lost all technological understandings and became dumb as a rock, which would explain the loss of so many people during the Great Flood. Could this be about to happen again? I don’t know what would cause the Book of Revelation with all of its Woes to come to pass unless it was an event like this, so I’m open to listening to what is being reported.

    • Dodgeball

      One of the last reports I heard from about 2 weeks ago or so, was that this thing is moving a bit over 2 million MPH. Considering that our space station over the earth is doing around a measly 16,000 MPH, this object is clipping along pretty good. So good, in fact, that if you blink, you might miss it!! :smile:

      As the late Jack Horkheimer always said: “Keep looking up”. :roll: If nothing else, the Chiropractors will stay busy…!

    • Klemens

      NIBIRU PLANET X ~ The BEST EVIDENCE to DATE ~ PREPARING FOR 2016!
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciKCAmHa1lU&feature=youtu.be

      • Conundrum

        Good Link, I had not watched this one!!!

      • LifeIs

        That is a useful video, thanks Klemens.

    • Awakened

      The Black Knight………..DECOD3D………..Dec 30 DD ……..
      DESTRUCTION
      DAY :!: :!: :!: :!:

    • The Clucker

      I’m just glad it finally moved out from its hiding place behind the sun to move at us with the speed of a ‘freight train.’ Seems sensible.

      • LifeIs

        It would be sensible to disregard the last 20 years of disinformation, fake pictures, fake videos, false alarms, and false assurances.

        And to ask yourself why we’ve been getting fake pictures, fake videos, false alarms, and false assurances since 1995.

        And to notice that is also the time frame of the off-budget, off-the-books production of trillions of US dollars (by selling treasury bonds.)

        And the disappearance of trillions more, from the Pentagon budget.

        And to realize these off-budget expenditures required the Fed to crash the economy, create unemployment, to reduce demand, to prevent hyperinflation. Starting in 2000.

        The first 8 years of the 21st century, the US dollar lost 40% of its value against industrial metals. Each US dollar was losing value, because there were so many dollars being created out of nothing, by the banks (to buy the bonds with.) That’s one evidence of the inflation. Caused by secret government spending.

        You may go back to sleep now.

        • The Clucker

          I’m not saying that those type of things aren’t happening. I just don’t think they are related to the dreaded Nibiru. I doubt it exists. BTW weren’t you saying it was going to be here in 3 weeks about 3 or so months ago?

          Well, it didn’t come. Maybe there is something coming but I doubt it. Sure, the people that are in control of the banks and governments of the world are up to some shady things, but I don’t quite see how you’re relating that to my comment about the Nibiru.

          “You may go back to sleep now.”

          It’s 3:00pm and I’m at work. I can take a nap when I get home but now is not the time. I’m trying to be productive. Thanks for the suggestion though.

          • LifeIs

            What I said was, based on the conduct of our leaders, I expected the arrival in September. In large part because we were being given a disinformation date, of late September. They won’t give us the real date, or one just before. They don’t want panic.

            They’ll be giving us dates that they know come after the event. That was my thinking, and it’s still valid.

            The trillions of dollars that we are not being told about, from the 1990s on, is what has funded the underground survival bunkers, that we are not being told about. Because we’re not invited.

            And the “after us the deluge,” and “who cares” attitude of our leaders, concerning our economic collapse, tells you something about when they expect life as we know it to end.

            “Sleep” in this case is metaphorical sleep. And you can still do it, while being productive. Not that I agree that your posts here are productive. But you are definitely asleep.

            • The Clucker

              “And the “after us the deluge,” and “who cares” attitude of our leaders, concerning our economic collapse, tells you something about when they expect life as we know it to end.”

              Who’s to say? Maybe they just know that the collapse is engineered and planned. Maybe they intend for America to fall and for a new super power to rise up. That’s no proof that life is coming to an end. They’ve been building up and crushing countries for a long time and forcing wars onto the populace for a long time. Countries have seen their currencies rise and collapse but that didn’t mean an imaginary planet was coming.

              ““Sleep” in this case is metaphorical sleep. And you can still do it, while being productive. Not that I agree that your posts here are productive. But you are definitely asleep.”

              Apparently you aren’t familiar with sarcasm. I think you are the one who is asleep here. Keep waiting for your imaginary planet, and let me know when it gets close so I can cash my 401k.

            • LifeIs

              To be properly sarcastic, you should have left out the word, “imaginary.”

          • Geheimnis Schwarze Sonne

            Work! haha!

          • Central Scrutinizer

            In case you wanted some proof of Lifels folly……

            /alternative/2015/08/the-bell-hath-tolled-planet-x-astounding-startling-3204256.html

            But no, really, THIS time it’s coming for real…… :mrgreen:

            • LifeIs

              It has been here for a long time, “here” being close enough to affect the solar system.

              It’s been coming closer for some time.

              And yes, it’s quite real.

    • truthlovingsoul

      if it’s coming, it’s coming like the steamroller scene in austin powers…..

      https://youtu.be/l4UFQWKjy_I

      • LifeIs

        More like Miley Cyrus’ “Wrecking Ball” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8-5NpCXwEE

        • truthlovingsoul

          ah, who really knows anything for certain in this age. maybe you’re right.
          all we can do is live right, treat each other with kindness, fight evil whenever we can, be prepared and that’s that.
          if there are no terra firma planets out there, and if they are merely luminaries, people could rest a little easier feeling somewhat protected.
          god forbid we have even an hour of peace and security…..
          sigh.

          • Damien

            Enforce apartheid at all times you mean.

            • truthlovingsoul

              damien,

              you don’t like that i point out that jews are your overlords/masters, eh?

              i think it’s great that you are happy in your servitude. good for you!

              remember that when your head is in the sand, you are in prime f*cking position.

              happy kosher new year.

    • Anonymous

      Gravity sucks.

    • Jan Beute

      Just BIG Talk – They want to fool the people when there is a nuke – blaming the Nibiru for it. I rather believe a hollow world and the stars are as small as they seem. The worse scenario is the Chelyabinsk meteor that hit Russia in 2013.

      • truthlovingsoul

        jan,

        the meteor could have been man made.

        how would we know?

    • my2pesos

      Sumerians AC ~ Americans US

      • my2pesos

        Sumerians ~ In use Arms
        .
        .
        Sumerians AC ~ Maniac’s User

    • Travis Trapani

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9HtZFb_VtM&list=PLw6pnhXllCetJ_z8KiReWtAyneVNFt2BK

      Watch the above video “ALL THE WAY TO THE ENDING VOCAL” and tell me that this article and the “Pleiadian Mission” do not coincide.

    • You People Are Nuts

      now they can measure its speed huh?

      yet not one person has ever given coordinates.

      • truthlovingsoul

        just watched a vid by yellow rose for texas that said the large body is actually ‘the pit’ in position and ready for all the evil souls to inhabit. i dunno.
        she also says that any pacts we make or any beings/groups we have allied ourselves with need to be broken as at the time of death, we are forever bonded to that being/group.
        we are to be sealed by the father, the one, and cannot be if we are tied to aa michael, wicca, vatican, other religions etc.
        some pretty far out ideas on her channel, but if anyone’s interested check out this one:

        https://youtu.be/c69vZyE74Zg

        talks about nasa lies, some cool footage of what is said to be wars in the heavens, explanations of how we got here and who the rulers are….

        to sum it up, we are in the abyss here on earth and our time is almost up with the torture, sorrow, pain, craziness on this world.

        this may be why the flat earth stuff is going viral. if there is something huge about to happen, they want to have us think we are in a nice, safe box? maybe the earth is flat, like a ship, but no dome?

        arg.

    • The Clucker

      Freight trains actually go incredibly slow in comparison to objects moving through space. From what I could find on the webs the faster ones go 70-75mph.

      At those speeds it’s no wonder the Nibiru is taking so long to get here.

      • Central Scrutinizer

        So what freight is Nibiru carrying? More FEMA coffin liners, perhaps a few spare guillotines?

        [HAND RAISED] Ohhh, I know, it’s Carbon Credits. Nibiru is bringing a load of Carbon Credits.

        There, mystery solved. :mrgreen:

        • The Clucker

          Guillotine is the coolest way to die cuz when your head gets lopped off blood shoots out your neck hole.

          +10 to CS for guillotine reference.

          • Central Scrutinizer

            WOW…. That’s a lot of OBB points!!!

            Truly a Christmas Miracle…..

            • The Clucker

              A BIN CHRISTMAS MIRACLE! (I will admit though I’m expecting a few of you Super Secret Bonus Points.)

          • Geheimnis Schwarze Sonne

            ARRRRRRGGH! that sweetass DDO is bleddie 11 GIGS, i have afrika internet! made out of wood , catches on fire! o the irony to be shown this now,

    • Shetland_Tai_Chi27

      A mere generality of a picture with an “extra symbol” on a dug up Sumerian stone can mean anything. The discoverer thinks what an ancient mind with a chisel should be thinking.
      Any follow-upperers who blows it up into a bigger note thereafter has a bigger wank.
      He who indulges, bulges.

    • jknbt

      Nibiru: The Myth Started by Z. Sitchin

      will somebody please write this book? Or at lease a read-worth BIN article? Isn’t there anything out there to counterbalance this Nibiru junk?

      • LifeIs

        The search for Planet X led to the discovery of Pluto in 1930.

        When Sitchin was 10 years old.

    • Eggzactly

      Are Planet X Researchers the same thing as Ancient Alien Theorist? And do the PXR’s think the planet is flat like the looney bin contributors on BIN?

      • LifeIs

        Planet X research, as I said just above your post, has been going on for a century or so, by astronomers.

        And it didn’t become totally out of bounds, for astronomers, until the 1990s. With the false information in Robert Harrington’s obit in the news, that he had “changed his mind” before dying.

        The poisoning of Rodney Marks in Antarctica, in 2000, and the unwillingness of the US to tell investigators the names of personnel at the station, was a message, for those who didn’t get it before.

        Your “looney bin contributors” are disinformation operatives, who seek to confuse, divide, and mislead. Like you’re doing, by introducing “flat earths” and “space aliens” to a discussion of a big planet.

    • Real American Hero

      I heard mention of a planet x back in the late 60′s in grade school. This doomsday fetish should have swung past us, what ….how many dates have been given?? 10, 20??………..get with it……and some of you posting, like your aliens or something, get a life.

      • LifeIs

        Real American Hero you could have heard mention of a planet X when your grandparents were young. That’s when it was first noticed, disturbing the orbits of outer planets.

        The dates that have been given – for 20 years now- are from a disinformation project of the government. That disinformation project includes “zeta talk” which does indeed pretend to have space aliens as a source.

        We are not supposed to know the actual expected arrival time.

        But for 98 years or so, the leaders of the Roman Catholic church have been expecting a cataclysm before the 100th anniversary of the first Fatima visitation. Which would be May, 2017. The cataclysm comes before that.

        And if you look at what John Paul II said at Fulda, and then look at what military officers said, in this video, link from Klemens above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciKCAmHa1lU&feature=youtu.be

        You’ll see the same story. The oceans will flood certain areas and kill millions of people at a time. There is detail about how that works, in the video.

        It’s a long video and I don’t agree with everything said, exactly, but it’s worth watching.

    • Medusafern

      If the video footage of what appears to be the (small) gas giant Helion included in this article is legit, Helion being one of three planets in the Planet X System, then this would indicate the X System’s (planets Helion, Arboda, & Nibiru, along with two moons) dwarf star Nemesis is seriously nearing perihelion. And if that’s the case, then IT may hit the fan much sooner than 2018. http://yowusa.com/2015/12/helion-in-the-planet-x-system/ &http://yowusa.com/2015/12/alma-planet-x/ People who want to know more about this matter should consider following the research of Marshall Masters. I also trust BPEarthwatch’s information. That Gil Broussard guy doesn’t impress me very much, though. I’ve been said by many to be an Empath, and something about Broussard doesn’t feel quite right. There is also the recently posted online & submitted for publication findings of two separate astronomer research teams, one team of which is confident that they’ve found at least one novel planetary body that is currently in the vicinity of Jupiter-Uranus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JetAE5CDYm4 And then there’s David Bowie’s eerie new music video entitled ‘Blackstar’. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kszLwBaC4Sw If this doesn’t prove the Planet X System is on its way then nothing does.

      • Geheimnis Schwarze Sonne

        AN EMPATH!!! EXCELLENT!!! i LOVE [email protected] HUGE laughs ahead! me an empaths! hahahahaha xD xD xD imagine if you will, a rat, in a steel drum, which is then placed upon a fire, that rat in there, goes like an empath in the roooom with me! they HILARIOUS! and now you tell me Gilly Gil is a empath! thank you! they “sesitive” an stuff, i cant even spell that word plegh!poeg! pah! anyway, yes david bowie high rankin crowlian druid priest homo, yawn, the TYPICAL gaylord, trannys or something i believe is the word. o my goodness this world is starting to ROCK, its been BOOOOOORING, my stuff, can you imagine being 4 years old and you like KNOW what you gotta do, but you gotta wait nearly 40 years, well, 12 years i BLAZED with 2 bottles of vodka a day, 1998-2007, then died went to hell, had a “spicy” time, got hauled out an told to do this an that, finished that stuff in like 2010, then the black dot became visible in like 2012, here look, i took lots LOTS, LOTS of photos back in 2012,

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJZYmscZ8kk

        and then NOW, 2015, NO MORE BLACK DOT! its been gone for yonks! k i was in government hotel for 2014 so i missed a year, no sun there :( anyway, THE BLACK DOT . or like , SHWARTZE SONNE! i imagine the future looks EXACTLY like this!! WOOOOHOOOO MITTERNACHT! MY SEASON!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLyc8BwP0NQ

    • chefjim

      This video is a year and a half old.

    • Cerebral prolapse

      Wow, a little too much juice i think there mate, i think you pushed a bit hard etc
      Kind of obvious, planned double opposition, so that when the gold suspended infrared images appear in the sky show up even youll believe it. Ha ha ha……its all a distraction while they take the food away to use it for RFID enforcement.

    • patann

      -Putin And Trump’s Handshake, The Word Horrible Plunked Out, A Vice Screaming “Seventeen,” Into Instead, The Call
      To Stampede Heard All Around The World, Escape! see entire blog here http://donothatemarriage15.blogspot.com/2017/07/dont-trust-nothing-this-man-or-any.html

      -This is why Apostle tell you they’re all coming, and just in time for the prophesied by Oct. 2017, extinction level event, doing the intrepid time table I witnessed happen, one after another of just this outbreak, beware, with tens of millions dead, there will be nothing worth having left of America, and President Trump claiming that America is something other, make him a damn liar, get as far southeast as possible first, prepare for a complete exodus,

      -They’re All Coming, see here, https://youtu.be/h_HffjBYeyQ or read here, http://legendsofthefallapb17.blogspot.com/2017/07/prophecy-link-to-be-seeing-hand-write.html?m=1

      Prophecy Links

      -Seem to seeing bits, pieces and particles of red, white and blue, inundating and scorching the heavens into the universe, America, Britain and Canada commanded to be separated into itty, bitty pieces indeed, whose fan is in Jesus’ hand, beware, Apb

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