“What Are The Odds?” – A Timeline Of Facts Linking Covid-19, HIV, & Wuhan’s Secret Bio-Lab
Tyler Durden, Zero Hedge
Waking Times
Having been permanently banned from Twitter for sharing the publicly-available details of the man who ran the show as far a bat-soup virology in Wuhan’s super-secret bio-lab – which is now a common talking point and rapidly shifting from conspiracy theory to conspiracy fact – we thought a reminder of how we got here was in order…
Scott Burke, CEO of crypto-related firm Groundhog, unleashed what we feel may be the most complete timelines of facts to help understand the controversial links between COVID-19 and HIV, and COVID-19 and Wuhan Institute of Virology.
Want to go down a (strictly fact-based) rabbit hole?
Here is the full slightly-edited-for-formatting twitter thread…
A disclaimer: I am not a virologist. This is me synthesizing what we have learned since the outbreak began and reviewing public scientific papers. I believe each of the following statements is a solid fact, backed up by a citation.
I also want to say that I understand some people are worried about blame being cast for this outbreak. Obviously we are all in this together, and my intention here is not to cast blame. These links overwhelmingly compel further scrutiny, but are not conclusive.
I do think however that information is being downplayed and suppressed by some scientists and media outlets and it’s our duty to find out the facts about this virus, do what we can to mitigate the outbreak, and prevent it from happening again.
Ready?…
So there’s original SARS, which is a type of coronavirus. SARS infects cells through the ACE2 receptor in hosts.
The S spike protein plays a key role in how the virus infects cells. Each of the little spikes that surround the coronavirus is a spike protein (or S protein). That’s what gives the coronavirus it’s name – it’s “crown” of these spikes.
The S protein binds to the targeted cell through the ACE2 receptor, and boom, your cell is infected and becomes a virus replication factory.
After the first SARS outbreak, there was a “land rush” to find other coronaviruses. A collection of SARS-*like* coronaviruses was isolated in several horseshoe bat species over 10 years ago, called SARS-like CoVs, or SL-CoVs. Not SARS exactly, but coronaviruses similar to SARS.
In 2007, a team of researchers based in Wuhan, in conjunction with an Australian laboratory, conducted a study with SARS, a SARS-like coronavirus, and HIV-1.
The researchers noted that if small changes were made to the S protein, it broke how SARS-CoV worked – it could no longer go in via ACE2. So they inferred the S protein was critical to the SARS attack vector.
They also predicted based on the S-ACE2 binding structure, that SARS-like CoVs were not able to use this same attack method (ACE2 mediation).
They decided to create a pseudovirus where they essentially put a SARS-like CoV in a HIV envelope.
It worked.
Using an HIV envelope, they replaced the RBD (receptor binding domain) of SL-CoV with that of SARS-CoV, and used it to successfully infect bats through ACE2 mediation.
12 years goes by…
A SARS-like CoV begins sweeping the globe that is far more infectious than previous outbreaks.
Ground Zero for this outbreak (not first human patient, but first spreading event) is considered to be Wuhan Seafood Market.
Wuhan Seafood Market is 20 miles from the National Biosafety Laboratory at Wuhan Institute of Virology.
Amidst the outbreak, a team of Indian bioinformatics specialists at Delhi University released a paper pre-print…
COVID-19 has a unique sequence about 1,378 nucleotide base pairs long that is not found in related coronaviruses. They claimed to identify genetic similarities in this unique material between COVID-19 and HIV-1.
Specifically, they isolated 4 short genetic sequences in key protein structures (the receptor binding domain, or RBD).
Two of the sequences were perfect matches (albeit, short), and two of the sequences were matched but each with an additional string of non-matching material appearing in the middle of the sequence.
The paper was criticized and numerous attempts have been made to debunk it. After the criticism, the authors voluntarily withdrew it, intending to revise it based on comments made about their technical approach and conclusions.
One key debunking attempt claims this:
The same sequences are found in a variant called BetaCoV/bat/Yunnan/RaTG13/2013, which had been found “in the wild” in bats.
This is an attempt to prove that it was not engineered, but mutated naturally in the wild.
But there’s a problem…
This strain was only known by and studied at the Wuhan Virology Institute, and although they claim it was discovered in 2013, it wasn’t published or shared with the scientific community until immediately after the Indian paper, on January 27, 2020.
The RatG13 strain publication and the HIV research paper from 2008 share an author.
I discovered this on my own by comparing the two papers and then quickly realized this scientist’s contact information was the information that ZeroHedge was suspended from Twitter for sharing.
Their article identifies this author in question including some contact information from the Wuhan Virology Institute web site.
You can read the public comments and discussion of the original paper here:
There is a line of inquiry about how the sequences are remarkably stable in between the “bat” CoV and the nCoV, where in nature they would likely have mutated in between their shared evolution. Also a call for greater scientific evidence that the strain was collected in the wild.
Here is the only point in this thread where I will offer my opinion rather than a list of facts: In light of all the previous facts, the efforts to debunk the paper are not yet convincing in my view.
The RaTG13 paper makes the claim that, oh, that HIV-related material you identified that happens to protein fold to become a perfect attack vector for nCoV to attack ACE2?
It’s a relative of this other secret virus which came from the wild which we forgot to tell the scientific community about until now for no reason.
Here’s the secret virus – it came from bats – and here’s the new virus, see, they have the same HIV-related sequences… so… bats!
Totally not secret pathogen research which escaped the lab.
What are the odds that a SARS-like coronavirus with overlapping genetics from HIV mutated and crossed over into humans, next door to a laboratory which had been enhancing coronavirus with HIV for over a decade? And conversely, what are the odds it leaked out of the laboratory?
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Finally, there is a great thread here by Trevor Bedford (@trvrb) examining the evidence for and against, with key replies challenging the conclusions made as well.
There is a nice “Bayesian” way to compare theories and think about evidence. I’m showing the probability of observing the data at hand given different theories. We want to compare the likelihood of observing this data, compared to other outcomes consistent with a theory. 3/21 pic.twitter.com/HaiNvCVxUo
— Trevor Bedford (@trvrb) February 20, 2020
Let’s learn! What do you think? Maybe I’m wrong! Can anyone disprove any of the links in the chain above? One thing is for sure, the science behind all this is fascinating.
But we need to make sure that if viruses are being secretly developed and accidentally released, that we learn about that and do our best to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
By Tyler Durden of Zero Hedge.
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Its a common or garden Caronavirus – a very insignificant one – according to the DIRECTOR OF W.H.O in 2 months it has only
achieved a KILL RATE Of >>> 67 PEOPLE – WORLDWIDE/GLOBALLY (Repeat 67)
(Exc China)
READ ON BELOW FOR OFFICIAL LINK
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SOME REAL FACTS >> FROM REAL EXPERTS & FULLY LINKED TO SOURCES
READ ON >>>
So MILD >>> 95% Of Cases >>> WON’T EVEN NEED TO GO … TO A DOCTOR !!!
Lets Hear From ….. Dr Craig Dalton is a public health physician and conjoint Associate Professor at the University of Newcastle, Australia.
He is a former CDC …… Epidemic Intelligence …. Service Officer
- and runs Flutracking.net one of the largest national surveillance systems …. for influenza-like illness in the world.
There are many countries with cases that haven’t ….. even detected their ….first cases yet.
They may have ….thousands of cases…. Before…. the first case is detected.
- Because …most cases >>>> wont go to a doctor ……
- In fact ….. most likely >>> 95% >>> are mild
(allowing for surveillance biases towards more severe cases).
https://seekingalpha.com/instablog/48606151-craig-dalton/5413058-update-analysts-are-starting-to-understand-coronavirus
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ANOTHER EXPERT >>> CARONAVIRUS – SO MILD – YOU WOULDN’T… FIND CASES
>>> WITHOUT ….. MASS TESTING – & LOOKING FOR IT
Marc Lipsitch, professor of epidemiology >>> at the Harvard T. H. Chan School of Public Health. He noted that Guangdong, a province in China, conducted surveillance
- testing of 300,000 people in fever clinics
- to find about 420 positive cases.
“If you don’t look,>>>> you won’t find cases,” he said.
https://www.propublica.org/article/cdc-coronavirus-covid-19-test
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28 February 2020 >>> WHO Director-General’s…. opening remarks
As of 6am Geneva time this morning, China has reported a total of 78,959 cases of COVID-19 to WHO, including 2791 deaths.
Outside China, there are now 4351 cases>>>> in 49 countries, >>>>and 67 deaths.
Our greatest enemy right now ….is not the virus itself. …. It’s >>>> fear & rumours
https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19—28-february-2020
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REPEAT WORLDWIDE … OUTSIDE CHINA >>> A TINY TINY INSIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF …. TOTAL DEATHS >>> JUST 67
….. BEING PREDOMINANTLY – THE USUAL _ THE OLD, – THOSE WITH SERIOUS UNDERLYING MEDICAL CONDITIONS – THE IMMUNO-COMPROMISED – AND THOSE ALREADY NEAR DEATH ANYWAY.
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IN ADDITION FEB 25th
RECOVERIES – ARE ALREADY SURPASSING ……the total number of …..daily new infections
for the first time.
That occurred on February 19th, …. according to Johns Hopkins University tracking, when there were 439 new cases…. and approximately >>>> 1,800 recoveries.
The trend has continued since then >>> with fewer than 600 new confirmed COVID-19 cases each day >>>> and an even greater number ….of recoveries.
https://www.statista.com/chart/20943/new-daily-confirmed-covid-19-cases-and-recoveries
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YES … It’s A – Cute Pussycat Of A Virus – In VIRAL TERMS (Yes Really) – READ ON >>>>
Some TRUTH, FACTS & ACTUAL GENUINE USEFUL INFO
THE TRUTH IS >>> The Caronavirus PlayBook Is Already Written.
It’s just a repeat of ……the H1N1 Swine Flu (SARS, MERS, BIRD FLU, EBOLA) – They All Run
The Same – Fake Propaganda Virus Playbook
And We Are – Just heading into – Chapter 2.
So How Did SWINE FLU H1N1 PANDEMIC END >>> Well …, At The End Of 18 months of Swine Flu – Fear Porn
- The World Health Organisation WHO declared …. the pandemic over – & during the >>> 18 months it had killed JUST ..18,500 people globally
- averaging the figures of lab confirmed deaths – from the 214 countries that report to the W.H.O
>>>> That averages out at >>>> LESS THAN 90 (as in Ninety) …. Swine Flu Deaths Per Country
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In Hindsight The 18 months of relentless fear porn fake propaganda headlines, >>> were over ……an insignificant, irrelevant virus – Killing On Average …. Just 90 People – PER Country !!
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QUOTE W.H.O OWN WEBSITE
6 August 2010 – As of 1 August 2010, worldwide… more than 214 countries and overseas territories or communities >>>> have reported laboratory confirmed cases …. of pandemic influenza H1N1 2009, including over >>> 18449 deaths.
LINK TO W.H.O. OFFICIAL WEBSITE Confirmation Of Above FACT !! >>> https://www.who.int/csr/don/2010_08_06/en/
And – This CARONAVIRUS >>> Will Be A Repeat.
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Caronavirus Took 2 Months/60 Days To Kill 2,400 (ie a TINY 40 Per Day)
- of old, sick, frail, immuno-compromised and already on their last legs Chinese
- Up to 95% of Infected – Have Symptoms – So Mild – They Won’t Even Notice
- and in most countries – hasn’t even reached a THOUSAND infected
Regular Annual Flu – Kills 88,000 …Chinese per year
7 Million Chinese… Die Of All Causes Per Year
-vs- Caronavirus – UNDER 3,000 !!!
Read the facts – Engage Brain & Common Sense – It’s an insignificant irrelevance – the rest is Rinse & Repeat VIRAL FEAR PORN
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LETS GET AN OVERALL OPINION FROM EXPERTS – AT THE UK NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE (PUBLISHED IN A UK NATIONAL NEWSPAPER) – THE INDEPENDENT
28/Feb/2020 …. QUOTE….
“As a member of the public….. you might get… coronavirus
>>> but your chances…. of being ill …. and in hospital >>>>>is not high.
On a person …. by person basis >>>>>> IT IS NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT
(UNQUOTE)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-uk-deaths-nhs-intensive-care-flu-wise-men-protocol-a9361916.html
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So – Total Prepping Required – IF you are one of the …very few that do get infected
- and NOT one of the 90/95% infected that exhibit >>> NO Symptoms
Or Symptoms >>>> So MILD – You Would’t Even Notice Them …..
- then…………
It may be prudent to perhaps – buy a small box ….of paper hankerchiefs/tissues… & Voila …..FULLY PREPPED & Ready
>>> READ ON
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LETS GET INITIAL OFFICIAL >>> GOVERNMENT CONFIRMATION ….(Fuller Details Lower Down on THE ACTUAL NUMBERS)
………….CANADIAN GOVERNMENT / HEALTH CANADA …………….
QUOTE “coronaviruses are common …..and are typically associated ….with mild illnesses,
similar to the common cold. (Unquote)
QUOTE >>> Those who are infected with COVID-19 may >>>>have little to >>> NO symptoms.
You may… NOT KNOW ……you have symptoms ….of COVID-19
because they are similar to …. a COLD or flu. (UNQUOTE)
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/symptoms.html
(& see Quotes At Bottom)
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For the… very few …that do get infected noticeable symptoms, …. typical signs include
- A RUNNY NOSE
- A COUGH
- A SORE THROAT / Fever (high temperature).
The vast majority of patients – at least 97 per cent, ….. based on available data – will recover from these
>>>> without any issues ….. or medical help.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7987001/Death-toll-killer-coronavirus-10-TIMES-higher-average-Chinas-Hubei-province.html
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Its such a happy clappy insignificant symptoms virus – its about as pleasant as you could make – thank you to God or Whoever
- A Good Job !
Lest We Forget ….. Ooooh 53 Suspected Cases Out Of 300 MILLION Americans – That’s ‘erm, well – nicely .… very significantly LESS than a PI$$ In The Ocean too really ….isn’t it
And Based On How Things Have Gone In CHINA So Far – It A case Of >>>> READ ON
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MOVE ALONG FOLKS – NOTHING TO SEE HERE – ALL OVER – JUST MOVE ALONG – GET ON WITH YOUR LIVES
CHINA
Yes 2,400 Died Of Caronavirous in 2 months (60 Days) – An Average >>> Really VERY TINY >> 40 Deaths A Day
- Seasonal Flu Kills An Average 88,000 Per Year (Caronavirus Has Managed 2,400)
- 7 MILLION Chinese Die Per Year – Caronavirus Has Accounted For 2,400
And Studies/Reports State whilst there are only 80,000 Confirmed Infections – There Will be >>> 10X that number
- YES 3/4 MILLION + with Symptoms SO MILD – they Won’t EVEN NOTICE THEM
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So Move Along Folks – Everywhere Is Opening Up Again – Just Move Along Folks – It Was Just The Usual Fear PORN – Move Along …CONTINUED
INTERNATIONAL NEWS CHANEL RT NEWS ….. Evidence …..
>>>> Propaganda Fatigue ….Setting In
Already Macau CHINA , the world’s biggest gambling hub, …..will allow casinos to…. resume operations from…. February 20,
…. after authorities imposed a two-week suspension to curb the coronavirus’ spread, authorities said on Monday,
Macau has not reported >>> any new cases of the virus>>> since February 4, … officials said (As At 20 Feb)
.
There have been >>>> ONLY 10 … confirmed cases of the virus >>> in total there.
Government services, which had mostly been suspended since the start of February, ….. have gradually resumed operations this week.
https://www.rt.com/newsline/481005-macau-casinos-virus-fear/
So Move Along Folks – Move Along – Nothing To see Here – Get On With Life – It’s All Over Folks 2,400 deaths and new cases plummeting -
DEATHS >> Predominantly Sick, Elderly, Immunocompromised, & usual already on their last legs ….. out of 1.3 BILLION CHINESE
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NB 10 February 2020 BLOOMBERG
The new coronavirus might have infected….. at least 500,000 people in Wuhan, ….the Chinese city at the epicenter of the global outbreak, …..by the time it peaks in coming weeks.
But…… most of those people…..>>>> won’t even know it.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-08/virus-outbreak-in-wuhan-may-soon-peak-with-more-than-5-infected
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LOS ANGELES TIMES
Thousands of people in China and elsewhere ….have been infected ….. but have had…
>>>> such mild reactions that >>>> no one even noticed,
- said Dr. Tom Inglesby, director of the Center for Health Security at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-01-24/china-coronavirus-panic
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The UK’s NATIONAL BBC News COMMENTS
– Re INFECTED – HAVING SUCH MILD REACTIONS >>> NO ONE NOTICED
>>> FROM THE LARGEST STUDY TO DATE (The paper by the CCDC, released on Monday and published in the Chinese Journal of Epidemiology, looked at more than 44,000 confirmed cases of Covid-19 in China as of 11 February
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– So Known Infections Quoted In Study – 72,436 x 10 = 724,000 Who Will Have Had Symptoms – Too Mild – To Notice
– YES >> ¾ Million
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QUOTE >>> Re The Known 72,436 infections
- Scientists have estimated there could be …..10 times as many people infected ….. as are ending up in the official statistics.
That ALSO means the….. overall death rate IN THE REST OF CHINA (Outside Hubei) is likely to be
>>> lower than the 0.4% (rest of China) reported in this study (ie 10X LOWER – Making the death rate potentially ONLY 0.04)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51540981
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So Theres Proof Of Precedence – How This Caronavirus Runs
So Ignore the PROPAGANDA FEAR PORN – ENGAGE BRAIN PUT COMMON SENSE IN GEAR & JUST PARTY ONing
No worries, mate. Virus Made in China so won’t work after a while. Even Trump knows about Made In China kwap. Said it would be gone by April or something.
The Wuhan lab must have told Trump about the warranty for the virus only good for 90 days.
Apocalypse fail!