Finally! Chemtrails Debunked SATIRE!!!

To what extent are “they” spraying, TRD? I don’t deny that there are ongoing, cloud seeding, experiments. Heck i wouldn’t even put it passed “them” to try mass medication and or aerosol bio-weapon the crap out of the lot of us. But i do think “they” mostly gave up when they found that the delivery method was a spectacular failure as far as accuracy was concerned.

Is that supposed to be evidence or are you just playing me in the hope i’ll blow a gasket and you can write off another believer? It’s not like you give me anything to work with other than calling you names, is it?

I think i’ve seen all of the evidence, Real Deal, but you might have something new. Don’t be arguing that this “haze” never happened in the old days because i’ve got paintings and pictures that prove otherwise.

Also don’t bother arguing that the gaps in the contrails are “them” turning the chembolizer on and off because i’ve got Science that explains exactly why there are sometimes gaps in contrails.

Plus; there’s nothing to be gained by claiming that the haze in the old days didn’t used to linger like the chem-trails do, or i’ll bleeding laugh at you.

I’ve got lots more yet but you’ll need to show me it’s worth my time, my friend.

Shush, am123, i’m on a mission. I’m trying to steal away all of the lies of men that TRD might still presume are true. I’m hoping if i succeed he’ll turn toward the Truth. Do you think he might be on to me?… I do, gosh darn it!

In the mean time you’ll have to do, my friend, but do you seriously think i won’t have my ducks all lined up, pretty as you please? So hold on to your hat, my man, because you’re not going to like what i’ve got to tell you. I’ve seen you trotting out the “torch-light” experiment on several occasions but mostly chem-trail threads bore me to tears. Even though i can take this all the way back to it’s origins, 1993 by the way, i can hardly be bothered but, tonight, i’ll make an exception.

You make four points, am123, and correct me if they don’t look like this…

1) – Pictures of the sky filled with crisscross lines.
2) – Directionless cotton-candy clouds, or contrails, or chem-trails, or whatever else.
3) – Abnormal atmospheric levels of certain elements, particularly Aluminium.
4) – Flashlight in the night sky.

… okay then lets see what this amounts to.

1) Do you mean lines like this NASA image from the MODIS array aboard the Terra satellite?…

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=4435

… it’s an image of visible contrails present on the morning of Jan 29th 2004. Or did you mean haze and lines like this 1983 photography competition entry?…

http://www.1000plus.com/Imagic/8301sund.htm

… which is an entire decade before chem-trails were even thought of, in case you don’t notice.

2) Contrails, just like clouds, bend to the wind that is present at the height at which they occur, approximately 30,000 feet. It can be blowing a gale at ground level with hardly a puff at cruising height and vice versa. Your point is silly when the natural laws are considered.

3) Could you show me where on this 2002 data set that elevated levels for anything other than Barium is shown?…

http://contrailscience.com/images/lab12brn1.jpg

… some people are good at other things but can’t read maps to save themselves so let me know if you need the scientific symbols or terminology explained. I won’t mind and i promise not to laugh.

4) What you are seeing are naturally occurring atmospheric aerosols and they move around like this…

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_2393.html

… and given that Aluminium is the most abundant metal on earth i’m not at all surprised that it shows up. It is shiny after all but you’ve still got to debunk point three before you can claim there is a problem revealed by torchlight.

What else do you have, am123, now that your first four points haven’t gotten you anywhere?

ps- I seem to have lost your email address (when I changed ISP’s) and there’s something I’d like to ask you to consider. It’s got nothing to do with this debate, nothing at all, and it would be helpful to get your opinion. Do you still have my details and would you drop me a line, please?

Four paragraphs is too long for you? My bad but what “Aha!” moment? So long as you’re happy getting your weather forecasts from a wet index finger i’ll leave you to it.

In future i’ll keep in mind, TRD, how little argument you’re capable of putting up to defend your position.

As far as arguing my point. Well, I can copy and paste a long diatribe, but I have neither the time, nor inclination. You’ll have to just google that stuff yourself. I have other comments sections to get to. lol

But here’s a couple of links to some youtube videos regarding the spraying that is so obvious it’s too much for you to comprehend, to get ya started.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5is16A8pfw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcZaJEMsSwM

Wait… stop, we’re missing each other here. lol

Too long of pauses in between comments. Haha

I’ve skimmed the comments on those two videos, TRD. Yeah, nah but i won’t bother watching either of those, again. The arguments, that they both make, have been shredded and thoroughly so.

Instead you could try arguing against my evidence on chem-trailing. My links are only pictures and one little data set, i’m not asking anyone to read screeds and screeds of drivel in order to find hidden BS. Cut-n-Paste, moi, you kidder you.

Here’s something you don’t know about me, TRD. Almost nothing i know came from talking picture shows. Listening to people reading from a web page, that is also clearly legible on the screen, ignites my kill desire and the constant dramatic pregnant pauses do my bleeping head in plus in the back of my mind i realize it could all be made in a studio.

Some, peer reviewed, published journals would go a long way, After all each and every one of my four points has robust Scientific credibility behind them. Fairs fair.

Treat this questions as rhetorical if you want, but… How can you claim to have a short attention span and six comments later have posted the same amount as the post you’re complaining about? I see this all the time from folk claiming they don’t have time to read my strongest arguments.

In other words… I could write a three page long comment on why I believe those are chemtrails, but you’re not going to believe it. You’ve already made up your mind. As have I. And I readily admit to that.

Mayhem,

I’ll address your points as best I can, but I am under no illusion that I’ll be changing your mind on the matter, but as you know, we can each just present our case and let the chips fall where they may. So with that, here we go:

1) Yes I meant lines like that, but when viewed from the ground, they look like this:

http://cosmicconvergence.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/1a0139411f73b9657145459a48693b71_62752.jpg

Decades ago, around where I live, you never saw that stuff in the sky. Now, it is very common. And when I was a kid, skies were blue as could be. But no more, even on clear days, the sky is blue with a chalky white haze, nowhere near as blue as it used to be. And clearly, the lines are not put down by commercial planes. Commercial airlines are in the business of getting from point A to point B in the most efficient manner. These planes that are spraying spend hours going back and forth over the same patch of sky.

2) These cotton-candy looking clouds are very noticeable and again, these were never around decades ago. Something has changed.

3) While some samples, especially from 2002, may not show elevated levels of aluminum, etc. , they have been spraying like crazy the last few years and I’m willing to bet a sample taken from the same area today would show wholly different results. Plenty of other samples have been taken that do show elevated levels of heavy metals:

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/lab-tests/

And what about whales being loaded with these heavy metals? Is that a natural occurrence?

4) The portrait of global aerosols you showed doesn’t show much of anything over the continental U.S. And what I see with my torch flashlight is not dust, it is silvery particulates. I am not convinced at all these global aerosols accounts for what I am seeing, especially in the dead of winter with feet of snow on the ground on a clear night with no wind.

There is one fellow who used to be a weatherman on TV, but they are forbidden to talk about chemtrails. So, Scott Stevens quit his job so he could talk about this stuff. He has some good insights about why they use criss cross lines.

https://www.youtube.com/user/weatherwars?feature=watch

http://weatherwars.info/

All in all, at least where I live, the skies have totally changed from decades ago. I see it with my own eyes. Trees are dying all over the place and something is wreaking havoc with the wild life. So once again, anyone and everyone can look up in the sky (especially in the night sky with a strong flashlight), and they can make up their own minds on the matter.

I lost your email address, and I remember seeing you post a garbage email address on an article not too long ago, but I can’t find that either. So if you post that again here, I’ll ping you.

With regard your first link, am123, yes i mean contrails exactly like that. There are tons of images on the web that look almost exactly like that which predate this conspiracy theory. For example; there are lots of photos of contrails, crisscrossing and forming cotton-candy clouds, from World War II, seek and you shall find.

With regards the 2nd link: where do you think i got my data set from? We can’t both claim the exact same data supports our divergent positions, can we? Get your own data or at least show me where yours indicates any significant increases in any of the compounds relevant to this debate.

With regards the video: you want me to watch 9:30 worth of contrail video? I’ve got better things to do thanks but i did watch half of it.

With regards the last link: Scott Stevens of weatherwars says this…

“… aircraft, some leaving trails and others not, INVESTIGATE how other previously left trails have deformed. That deformation reveals that something meteorological is occurring at that PRECISE location. This simple observable FACT, tells all that…”

… and i’ll finish it for him. ‘turbulence happens’. It’s clearly shown in his own photograph that the most recent contrail has disturbed the older contrail. What gives and does anyone one else get an, eh?, moment at “INVESTIGATE”? The man makes no sense.

So then: Boyhood memories, seriously? That’s akin to saying “everyone knows”. Pfft! As i’ve already mentioned; would you like to see a whole bunch of pictures and paintings, that predate chem-trailing, other than the one you so glibly dismiss? Or should i just simply believe your claim? I’ll tell you this for free; you’ll never hear me say something like that, unless i’m also clearly joking, because i’d rather keep my mouth shut and only thought a fool.

And “dust”: where did i mention dust? I referred directly to Aluminium and by extension to Barium, Calcium, Magnesium and Titanium. Shame on you trying to make it look like you were refuting my point all the while putting words in my mouth. You straw-man, you.

Here we go again: since when has the southeastern United States not been considered part of the continental republic? Again with trying to refute my evidence by deceit, am123. Sheesh mate. Now listen up my friend; everything i presented is peer reviewed and or published and not one single scrap of yours has anything like the same respectability. You suck at this.

And finally: you can tell that the planes are just flying back and forth, to and fro, from 30,000 feet away can you? Pfft some more and pull the other one.

Aww Jinksies… I thought we outsmarted you. But unfortunately, we have once again fallen prey to your superior intellect. Come TLS, let’s go, Mayhem has us beat because he said so. Forget what the readers think, Mayhem says he’s right, so that’s the end of that, I guess.

@TRD. Don’t pout dear and do me the courtesy of quoting me when you make accusations of arrogance. You’d not look like you’re projecting your own deficiencies, on to me, if you did.

Specifically where did i say i had you beat? And you’d shut me up in a heart beat if you provided proof for your claims. Where is it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9c_KttvQPU

I’m livid that TRD accused me of being a copy-n-paste artist and tried to laugh it off but i just can’t let it go. I’ll have him know that i write everything the proper way with two fingers while staring intently at the keyboard

What are you coughing about, CrowPie? Share.

Thank you very much, CrowPie, and it’s certain you know exactly where my abilities come from. My inabilities come from me but that’s another story.

I know i’m walking a very fine line and I have no doubt that occasionally, or even often, I overstep the mark. I make no public apology for it, unless it’s warranted. I am a sinner, I shouldn’t be, I’m working on it and fully expect my sins would show.

But none of you are around when I praise the Father for His knowledge and wisdom, when I thank Him for guiding me to learn what He would have me know, the strength of His word, the sturdiness of His buckler. Same with whether I acknowledge my sins in my prayers and very few seem to know that what I do is called the art of extracting a response.

I write for the very same reason am123 does. That others will have the information they need to make their own informed opinions. Matthew 6:5

Nina Simone: Feeling Good.

Why are you arguing for cloud seeding experiments, am123, aren’t you reading all of the debate? And what would you expect a company with vested interests, in weather modification, to say? “Thanks for the money but we’ve achieved no significant effects”. Again with the opinions of men, now lets see your science, for a change.

What’s with the chaff thing? You were talking about aerosols a minute ago and now it’s strips of aluminium foil that flutter in the breeze. If i recall they were about the size of a piece of toilet tissue ripped into 3 pieces. Let me know if i’m wrong, won’t you?

That’s for certain, am123, and I work with the stuff. I’m grinding and welding Aluminium all the time. Several years were spent building 20-30 ft sports fishing boats out of the stuff and I’d look like I’d been taking to much colloidal silver by the end of the day. Covered in it and breathing the dust to boot.