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The Messiah's Lineage & the Big Lie

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The Messiah’s Lineage & the Big Lie

Hello dear friends,

 

I understand that most of you consider yourselves to be secularists in spite of the fact that the current secularism frequently contradicts itself by embracing New Age mysticism.  In our post-modern environment few sophisticates dare stain their reputations with institutional religious affiliations.   Yet, the reality is that most of you have some type of sentimental attachment to the ritualism of your fathers & IF  there were occasion for you to succumb to religious reversion many of you would probably choose the faith of your childhood.  But we all come from different backgrounds in terms of belief.  Certainly ALL ways can’t be THE way to truth (although the emergent global faith presupposes such ridiculousness).  There are certain factors I’m going to ask you to consider here that may yet inspire you to courageously launch an in-depth investigation into, both, what you were taught to believe early in life & what you believe currently.

 

First let me explain what motivated the writing of this particular letter.  Something interesting was revealed to me while I was exploring Judaism on the internet last week.  I came across a video in which a rabbinic Rabbi was detailing the reasons Jews do not believe Jesus of Nazareth could possibly have been the Christ.  The most egregious point of evidence for this rabbi had to do with the fact that the Jewish messiah would have been required to descend directly from the bloodline of King Solomon, son of King David, & through the paternal lineage only.  This disqualifies Yeshua on two counts: 

 

First, Yeshua received his genetic link to King David through his maternal lineage.  

 

Second, Yeshua received the Davidic bloodline, not through David’s son Solomon, but through Solomon’s brother, Nathan. Luke 3:31

 

Understanding this crucial bit of Judaic perspective flooded me with the insight to “see” at last.  I was finally able to connect the dots.  Allow me to explain.

 

To begin I need to provide a quick review of biblical history.

 

  1.  God promised David that the Messiah would come through his bloodline.

 

And when thy days be fulfilled, & thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, & I will establish his kingdom.  He shall build a house for my name, & I will stablish the throne of his kingdom forever.

2Samuel 7:12-13

 

And thine house & thy kingdom shall be stablished forever before thee: thy throne shall be stablished forever.

2Samuel 7:16

 

  1. King Solomon, son of King David, built the first temple for God,

Solomon’s Temple.  After it’s dedication the Lord spoke both a blessing & a curse to Solomon.

 

THE BLESSING:

 

And it came to pass, when Solomon had finished the building of the house of the Lord, & the king’s house, & all Solomon’s desire which he was pleased to do,

 

That the Lord appeared to Solomon the second time, as he had appeared unto him at Gibeon.

 

And the Lord said unto him, I have heard thy prayer & thy supplication, that thou hast made before me:  I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there forever, & mine eyes & mine heart shall be there perpetually. 

 

And IF thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, in integrity of heart, & in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee, & wilt keep my statutes & my judgments:

 

THEN I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel forever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel.

1Kings 9:1-5

 

THE CURSE:

 

But IF you shall at all turn from following me, you or your children, & will not keep my commandments & my statutes which I have set before you, but go & serve other gods, & worship them:

 

THEN will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; & this house, which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; & Israel shall be a proverb & a byword among all people:

 

And at this house, which is high, every one that passeth by it shall be astonished, & shall hiss; & they shall say, Why hath the Lord done thus unto this land, & to this house?

 

And they shall answer, Because they forsook the Lord their God, who brought forth their fathers out of the land of Egypt, & have taken hold upon other gods, & have worshipped them, & served them: therefore hath the Lord brought upon them all this evil.

1Kings 9:6-9

 

  1. Sadly, Solomon forfeited the blessing & incurred the curse:

 

But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, & Hittites;

 

Of the nations concerning which the Lord said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.

 

And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, & three hundred concubines: 

& his wives turned away his heart after other gods: & his heart was not perfect with the Lord his God, as was the heart of David his father.

 

For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, & after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.

 

And Solomon did evil in the sight of the Lord, & went not fully after the Lord, as did David his father.

 

Then did Solomon build a high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem & for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.

 

And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense & sacrificed unto their gods.

1Kings 11:1-8

 

  1. In His wrath God left Solomon’s son, King Rehoboam, with only one of the

twelve tribes of Israel over which to reign, that being the tribe of Judah.

 

And the Lord was angry with Solomon….Wherefore the Lord said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, & thou hast not kept my covenant & my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, & will give it to thy servant.

 

Notwithstanding in thy days I will not do it for David thy father’s sake: but I will rend it out of the hand of thy son.

 

Howbeit I will not rend away all the kingdom; but will give one tribe to thy son for David my servant’s sake, & for Jerusalem’s sake, which I have chosen.

1Kings 11:1-9;11-13

 

Now I’ll explain Christianity’s reasons for accepting that Yeshua was indeed the Christ.  First let’s review a couple of points.

 

–God promised David that the Messiah would reign as king upon the earth.

 

And when thy days be fulfilled, & thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, & I will establish his kingdom.  He shall build a house for my name, & I will stablish the throne of his kingdom forever.

2Samuel 7:12-13

 

And thine house & thy kingdom shall be stablished forever before thee: thy throne shall be stablished forever.

2Samuel 7:16

 

–King David & King Solomon were of the tribe of Juda.  Thus, in order to inherit the kingship, the Messiah had to be born a Judean & he had to be generationally descended from the kingship line of Solomon.

 

But this poses a great problem.  The Messiah is supposed to reign over ALL the earth.  However, Solomon’s son, Rehoboam, lost the major part of his kingdom.  Did God lie or change his mind & ultimately bestow the heritage of eternal kingship upon Solomon’s seed anyway?  Must we then, for this reason alone, continue to await the Messiah’s first coming?  Not if the following scriptures are credible:

 

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Galatians 6:7

 

God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Numbers 23:19

 

This is how Christians see the issue resolved:

 

–Yeshua was born of a virgin.  Therefore only his mother, Mary, could have provided the bloodline back to King David, which she in fact did. 

(Refer to Luke 3:23-38)  Her genealogy does NOT, however, lead to David through Solomon & his descendants but, as I mentioned earlier, Mary’s ancestry passes by way of Solomon’s brother Nathan & his descendants.  The problem remains that this bloodline inheritance does not satisfy the kingship requirement. 

 

–The lineage of Joseph however, Yeshua’s stepfather, does resolve the kingship issue since Joseph was descended directly from the dynastic line of Solomon. (Refer to Matthew 1)

 

Now I imagine that some of you may be conjecturing as to whether these are sufficient legal grounds for passage of the generational scepter.  However, before you continue along that vein, consider the alternative.  Would you want to suggest that when God spoke his admonishment to Solomon that He didn’t really mean it?  Solomon was an egregious idolater.  If you’ve read the Old Testament (Tanakh) you know God NEVER lets that one slide.

 

Now while all of this may seem academic, it really isn’t.  I’ve got a point that I promise you will find extremely interesting & potentially life altering.  Just bear with me a little longer.  I’m almost there.

 

About 3 months ago a synagogue in my vicinity advertised that it was welcoming visitors from the local community to its Friday night/Saturday morning services. 

I of course went ready to learn & learn I did.  What I encountered was confirmation of something I formerly believed to be only false rumor—that contemporary Judaism was heavily immersed in satanic mysticism.  The congregants spent just about the entire meeting singing/chanting Kabbalistic poetry.  The reason I know this is that the author of each poem was credited in English footnotes in the Hebraic songbook we were using.  Most if not all of these authors were from the Israeli city of Safed, evidently a Kabbalist vortex. (I’ve included an attachment on Safed that I encourage you to read carefully.) Why do I call Kabbalism satanic?  Please read on:

 

There shall not be found among you any one ….that useth divination, or

 an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,

 

Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

 

For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: & because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

 

Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God.

 

For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, & unto diviners: but as for thee, the Lord thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.

Deuteronomy 18:10-14

 

Kabbalism embraces ALL of these practices.  Now the big question: Just where & why did the Israelites go wrong?   Let’s begin with the fact that there are many people calling themselves Jews who are in fact NOT Jews. 

 

Note:  I won’t be haggling over the appropriateness of calling members of the eleven tribes who are not of Judah “Jews”.  At this point in my understanding I don’t see it as a critical point.  We all comprehend that when we say “Jew” we mean “Israelite”.  If I’m wrong about the low level of significance I’m attaching to this issue, please correct me.

 

So who are these infiltrators?  Where did they come from? And what, if any, is their agenda?  I am aware of 3 instances when other peoples were merged into the Jewish community. 

 

1.         The first integration was when the 10 northern tribes of Samaria were taken captive into Assyria.  The Assyrian leadership sent citizens of their pagan society to repopulate & care for the plundered Israelite city.  When the pagans arrived in Samaria they encountered wild animals that were so ferocious & bold that Samarians were being slaughtered within the city itself with terrifying frequency.  In response to this dilemma they requested that the Assyrian leadership restore a team of Israelites to their homeland for the express purpose of educating the pagan settlers as to how to placate the God of the Israel.  This mixture of peoples of course resulted in a pagan-monotheistic faith combination.  As Christ said to the Samarian woman by the well,  “Ye know not what ye believe.”

 

The 10 northern tribes of Samaria were those Israelites that separated themselves from the tribe of Judah under the reign of Solomon’s son, Rehoboam, as explained earlier.  They left Jerusalem & migrated north to establish another kingship line.  Unfortunately, their leaders routinely delved into pagan worship & intermarriage as well.  The reality is that they were pagan worshippers long before the Assyrian invasion.  Eventually, God allowed them to be vanquished by the Assyrian conquerors & dispersed throughout the nations.  This global scattering of the Israelites is what is known as the diaspora.

 

  1. Centuries later, the Medo-Persian Empire had replaced most of the Assyrian territories. The Jews remained, but not without enemies.  The story of Esther found in the Old Testament explains the second mass conversion.  (This is the story behind today’s Purim celebration.  The book of Esther is only about six pages, so I urge you to read it for yourselves.)  In a nut shell what happened was that in order to avoid an armed conflict with the Jews, many people of the land pre-emptively converted to the Jewish faith.

 

  1. Eventually the Grecian Empire supplanted that of the Medo-Persians.  At this point in history a remnant of the tribe of Judah had already returned to Jerusalem.  The rebuilding of, both, the temple & the city in general should have been essentially completed.  However, the Grecian Emperor, Antiochus, resented the division that the Jewish faith was causing within his territory, so he commanded that a pagan statue be erected within the temple itself.  In response, an 80 year old Judean man led a band of revolutionaries to slaughter the Grecian soldiers who were in the process of executing their emperor’s decision.  This man & his sons, whose surname was Maccabee, retained leadership roles in an armed conflict that lasted about 2 years, today known as the Maccabean War.  After winning back the independence of Jerusalem, the Maccabean victors imposed a forced conversion upon all those that remained in or near the city.

 

This is enormously significant to understand since the Edomites inhabited Idumea, a city near Jerusalem that was embraced by the Maccabean compulsion.  Knowing who the Edomites are is crucial.  Don’t give up yet.  Stay with me.  This is part is BIG!

 

Abraham, first father of the Israelites was a Syrian to whom God made several promises:

 

–that he would give Abraham’s descendants the land of Caanan

–that they would be as numerous as the stars of heaven

–that through them all nations of the earth would be blessed

 

Abraham begat Isaac to whom the promise was passed. Isaac in turn begat fraternal twin sons, first Esau, which means “Red”, then Jacob.  During the pregnancy, Rebecca, Isaac’s wife, asked God to reveal why she was experiencing unusual discomfort.  It was revealed to her that “there were 2 nations warring within her womb & that the elder was to serve the younger”.  Rebekah never forgot this revelation.

 

Esau, being the eldest, had birthright status to claim God’s promise.  However, the story goes that one day he was so hungry following a hunting expedition that he allowed Jacob to purchase his birthright for a bowl of soup.”

 

Nevertheless, due to his position as eldest son, Esau retained eligibility to receive a blessing of favor from his father.  The day came, when his father was old & blind, that Isaac was finally prepared to administer this blessing.  He requested of Esau that he first hunt venison & make him a stew.

 

While Esau was departed, Rebekah manipulated her son Jacob, whom she believed to be the most deserving son, into pretending to be his brother so as to receive the blessing in his stead.  She quickly prepared a stew using cattle meat & sent Jacob to his blind father.  Isaac did indeed become convinced that Jacob was Esau & proceeded to give the blessing.

 

ISAAC’S BLESSING TO JACOB:

 

….God give thee of the dew of heaven, & of the fatness of the earth, & plenty of corn & wine:

 

Let people serve thee, & nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, & let thy mother’s sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee.

 

Genesis 27:28-29 

 

When Esau returned from the hunt & discovered that his blessing was lost as well as the birthright he was furious & begged Isaac to also give him a blessing.  Isaac’s response was as follows:

And Isaac answered & said unto Esau, Behold, I have made him (Jacob) thy lord, & all his brethren have I given to him for servants; & with corn & wine have I sustained him: & what shall I do now unto thee, my son?

 

And Esau said unto his father, Hast thou but one blessing, my father?  Bless me, even me also, O my father.  And Esau lift up his voice, & wept.

 

Genesis 27:37-38

 

Eventually Isaac did give Esau a blessing.  I suggest you read it very carefully.

 

ISAAC’S BLESSING TO ESAU:

 

And Isaac his father answered & said unto him, Behold, thy dwelling shall be the fatness of the earth, & of the dew of heaven from above;

 

And by thy sword shalt thou live, & shalt serve thy brother; & it shall come to pass when thou shalt have the dominion, that thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck.

Genesis 27:39-40

 

And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said in his heart….I will slay my brother Jacob.

Genesis 27:41

 

(Incidentally, I’m well aware that the story of Esau & Jacob is a difficult one to digest from a moral perspective.  However, fortunately, much of the confusion as to why Rebekah did what she did is cleared up in the apocryphal book of Jasher.  Since Jasher is referenced in the Old Testament proper, I consider it both safe & valuable.)

 

Of course Jacob managed to escape & went on to birth the nation of Israel, but this war between brothers has not finished.  It can be evidenced again & again throughout biblical & historical texts.  The final book of the bible, Revelation, suggests that it won’t end until the last of the last days.

 

….I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, & are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”

Revelation 2:9

 

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, & are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come & worship before thy feet, & to know that I have loved thee.

Revelation 3:9

Armed with this understanding, perhaps it’s now easier to digest what happened in the time of Christ.  Most biblical & historical scholars accept that the Roman Empire which came to power in about 27 B.C. had an excellent working relationship with the Edomite population that called themselves Jews.  For this reason, Herod, an Edomite, was given the kingship over Jerusalem. 

It’s often erroneously assumed that the Pharisees & leadership were simply unaware of Christ’s divinity when he walked the earth & for that reason they genuinely regarded him to be a blasphemer that needed to be stopped. Consider something to contradict that assumption–Herod’s reaction to the prospect of the Messiah’s birth.  Please read on:

 

Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

 

Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews?  for we have seen his star in the east, & are come to worship him.

 

When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, & all Jerusalem with him.  (I ask you, if all Jerusalem were Jews, why would they have been troubled at the Messiah’s arrival?)

 

And when he had gathered all the chief priests & scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

 

And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judea: for thus it is written by the prophet….

 

Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, inquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.  And he sent them to Bethlehem, & said, Go & search diligently for the young child; & when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come & worship him also.

 

When they had heard the king, they departed; & lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came & stood over where the young child was….

 

….And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.

 

And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, & take the young child & his mother, & flee into Egypt, & be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him….

 

When he arose, he took the young child & his mother by night & departed into Egypt:

 

And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

 

Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, & sent forth, & slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, & in all the coasts thereof, from two years old & under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.

Matthew 2:1-9;12-16

 

That’s not the reaction one would expect from a lover of Jews, is it, to kill their long awaited Messiah?  Understanding that the “Jews” in power were actually Kabbablist practicing Edomites struggling to prevent salvation of their Israelite cousins serves to bring this picture into much clearer focus.

 

YESHUA SPEAKING TO THE PHARISEES:

 

But woe to you, scribe & Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Matthew 23:13

 

Ye are of your father the devil, & the lusts of your father ye will do.  He was a murderer from the beginning, & abode not in the truth, because there is5 no truth in him.  When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, & the father of it.

 

And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

 

He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because

ye are not of God.

John 8:44-45;47

 

Several other considerations I’d like you to ponder:

 

There’s a current rumor that over 40% of Jews genetically screened thus far have NOT been found to be Jews at all but rather (Turkish & Russian) Khazars.  Prior to this (possibly valid) genetic corroboration, I had read that the migratory patterns of the Edomites suggested they were indeed the Khazars.  If you are able to evidentially support or deny this information, please do so!  But it certainly is something to investigate.

 

The popularization of the Messiah as being descended from King Solomon is being fiercely promoted today outside of Jewry as well.  Specifically it is embraced by Luciferians &, believe it or not, Rastifarians.  Why the Rastifarians you ask?  Because they believe King Solomon impregnated the Queen of Sheba & that she was able to uphold the Solomonic Dynasty somewhere in Africa.  Could this have anything to do with the intuition of many that Obama is the long awaited Black Messiah?  You decide.

 

Several months ago I sent most of you videos in which a Messianic Rabbi explained how he came to believe that Yeshua was the Christ.  This rabbi hinges much of his conversion process upon a more intimate understanding of

Psalm 22 in which King David prophetically describes Yeshua’s crucifixion, detailing the piercing of his hands & feet.  The rabbi explains that the original Hebraic text could have been translated in two ways.  However, it is only the translation of the crucifixion that makes sense.  Please read the following translations & see for yourselves:

 

Dogs are all around me, a pack of villains closes in on me like a lion my hands & feet.  (Tanakh)

 

Dogs are all around me, a pack of villains closes in on me, they pierced my hands & feet.  (Complete Jewish Bible footnote)  Psalms 22:16

 

The second version makes far more sense, doesn’t it?  More importantly, it’s precisely because the Tanakh had been translated into Greek (the Septuagent)

about 300 years before the arrival of Christ, & also well before the Romans had even devised the crucifixion as a means of corporeal punishment, that Christ’s visit to earth was recognized as a prophecy fulfilled.  This verse had a significant impact upon the pagan intellectual elite, causing mass conversions in many nations.  The big question is why the possibility of this translation was obscured from the authentic God-fearing Israelite population.

 

The last consideration I’ll present here has to do with Zionism & the fact that the Orthodox Jews who denounce it have been silenced repeatedly since the state of Israel was founded.  I recommend listening to the various videos in which these people discuss their biblical reasoning on youtube.com. 

(Punch in:  anti-Zionist religious Jews)

 

Upon examining the glaring corruption within our various Judeo-Christian institutions, we’re inclined to place the responsibility upon reasonable human frailty.  While misguided human intentions always matter, I’m asking you to consider that we also have good reason to believe masses upon masses of sincere seekers & defenders of the faith have been steered off course for reasons that were nothing less than maniacal & purposeful.

 

(To view the related videos, please refer to this text on WisdomAboveGold.com.

You will find it located on the ‘Letters2’ page.)



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    • Alan

      ‘by embracing New Age mysticism’

      Who’s to say what’s old or new, and who’s to say what’s embraced and from where…

      In growth one is…

      You will find specifics quite in-tune with past and future developments.

      Could say unseen… and reasoned on.. having reason to see…

      So its all in motion… only thee established would fear it, not knowing to whence they came. :|

    • Well Pat

      Stop it.

      • Merkin

        Well pat has figured out the “jerk to English” translator!

        Nice work Pat

    • King of Shambhala

      I’m the Messiah

      Google
      I’m The Reluctant Messenger Not Christian Messiah – Revealing The Antichrist Obama Aka Satan-In-Person

    • Mike

      An intense study of 1&2 Kings, as well as 1&2 Chronicles is very revealing about this most imperative subject. King Zedekiah was the last King of Judah. He and all his sons were killed by the Babylonians. However, Jeremiah took Zedekiah’s daughters to a far away land.

      http://www.uhcg.org/Lost-10-Tribes/chapter-06.html

    • Who dat

      Why do you feel the need to put this stuff on here? This place is called ‘before it’s news’ not ‘before the revelation’, what do you get out of it and aren’t there sites better suited to your rhetoric? I just don’t understand why you have to come here when you are obviously not wanted, your nothing more than Jehovah’s witnesses without a watch tower. Why try and convert us, why do you care, you’ll be able to laugh at us from upon high when we are all suffering in hell. Plus the more you convert the bigger the queues in heaven, think about it. Now I’m a good geezer, I’m happy go lucky, I help people, I’m honest to my own detriment and I give to the needy directly as apposed to paying someone to hand it out and I’m worried Jesus might come and save me and I have to spend eternity with you lot, that would be my hell. Are you sure that as long as I don’t except him as my saviour I won’t be hanging with you lot until time ends?

      • Who dat

        Oh and king, I accidentally pressed spam instead of voting you down, I can’t change that so I gave you a vote up to equal it out. I voted you down for saying the same thing over and over and over again.

        • COCONUT

          Good comment.

    • Mirabolin

      Christ is the Messiah because of the resurrection. Sounds to me like you are degenerating towards the level of the parentless bastardry of Black Israel and it’s Jesus as God out Jews as Gods in crackpottery.

    • Rumplestilskin

      Who is writing this article? If you believe that the bible is more than just literature, then you really need to get your head out and take a deep breath of reality.

      What this author is doing, is as just juggling coconuts. You cannot substantiate anything by using the bible, as there is no proof, and don’t give me any of that cr*p about having faith. Get serious ! The bible is just a compilation of stories handed down from father to son, as it were, sometimes for thousands of years, and wouldn’t you think that the story lines would be skewed in favor of the belief fantasies at the time.

      Come on people this is the 21st Century where we use our brains to face reality head on while using logic and rational thinking. There is nothing rational about the bible, because it is over two thousand years old, and was compiled by men with an agenda to manipulate the populace. IE: You are still being manipulated if you believe anything in it, but yet are too ignorant to understand how it is manipulating you.

      WAKE UP PEOPLE ! You are about to meet your gods and they ARE NOT what you believe them to be. Not by a long shot !!!

      • Mirabolin

        Uh huh. Good luck with them ‘beliefs’ there cretin.

    • back_up_for_the_boys

      The line through joseph is missing one required generatiion (only 13) Joseph to yeshua.

      The line through mary is …joseph(her father) mary , then yeshua which is the 14 that is written.

      Who is to tell Yejovah which son will bear the decedents? Yeshua came as the lamb to take back the title deed of the earth. He will yet be back as King to take care of some business. Don’t give up yet.

    • Pix

      ” Certainly ALL ways can’t be THE way to truth (although the emergent global faith presupposes such ridiculousness).”

      You left that unjustified. What possible difference does it make if someone learns to love by following any belief system, or none? The point is they have learned to love. Your unjustified statement is fallacious, presumably because you think everyone should do exactly the same as you do. Because that’s what you are hinting at.

      The truth:

      The worlds first monodiety based thought and belief intolerant dictatorship was invented and enforced by the Egyptian pharaoh Amenhotep IV, c1’300 BCE.

      The Israelites were polytheistic Egyptians. c 1’100 BCE to 70 CE. osirIS+RA+EL = ISRAEL, the Semite trinity, three gods in one god. Solar minimum, maximum and balanced activities.

      The Jews started life as a mono deity based thought and belief intolerant dictatorship called the Pharisees, c140 BCE, later changing their name to Judaism. Originating from Pharaoh = Pharisees. Their system is based on Rabbinical law = word of mouth law = making it up as they go to suit themselves. Together with debt enslavement. You get people indebted to you, you get a slave for life. That is exactly the political model we live under now, only it looks like they are going for generations of slaves for life.

      The Biblical Jesus was a polytheistic Israelite preaching pagan polytheistic beliefs. He was anti Pharisees, overturning their load shark tables, that people should pray in a closet out of sight, and meet in fellowship anywhere, pull up a log or a rock = a church.

      There is only one historical candidate that fits the biblical description. Caesarion, the only begotten son of god, the Roman emperor Julius Caesar, via Egyptian pharaoh Cleopatra/Isis Meri. It is well known that Cleopatra associated herself with Isis due to her being the unmarried mother of a son of god, heir to the Roman and Egyptian empires. Born c30 BCE, titled; heir to the kingdom of god, lamb of god, in the image of god, etc. Fled into exile when his mother killed herself. Eventually captured and crucified on the orders of his rival, the older adopted son of Caesar, Roman emperor Octavian/Augustus. Perfect timing.

      Christianity was conceived in Rome by the worst insane despot of all time Roman emperor Constantine in 325 CE. His bible, the bible your religion claims it’s antiquity from, was about Mithraism. He was a zealous devout follower of Mithra, the Roman version of the Egyptian Osiris, Isis, Horus story. The oldest Christian bible, the one you all copy from, was compiled mostly through the 6th to 10th centuries CE. And not a scrap of substantiation for any of it.

      The Bible = The culmination of a succession of political thought and belief intolerant dictatorships, standing on their victims while claiming persecution.

      Hope that’s cleared that up for you… You were saying something about the truth?

      • Merkin

        Hi Pix,

        If you have the time to discuss Truth.

        Can you explain how you came to this strong conclusion about Jesus using the bible?

        Quote: “The Biblical Jesus was a polytheistic Israelite preaching pagan polytheistic beliefs.”

        I’m new to reading the bible and all but I have yet to see anything suggesting polytheistic pagan teachings from Jesus in the bible.

        In fact “the biblical Jesus” seems more “monotheistic” to me? Did you mean to say “The Biblical Jesus according to Pix” or “the Biblical Jesus?”

        Quote: There is only one historical candidate that fits the biblical description. Caesarion

        *This man you suggest as the only candidate was strangled at age 17, before the estimated time of Jesus? How is one supposed to make sense of your powerful charge? Perfect timing how?*

        Quote: “The Israelites were polytheistic Egyptians”

        Do you mean polytheistic Canaanite-Phoenicians? It’s clear the “Israelites” where into worshiping EL (The golden calf ring a bell ) and Asherah his earth mother wife. Wouldn’t these be the same pantheon of God’s they left to follow YHWH? Are you suggesting Moses was Pharaoh Akenaten himself? Don’t we have an inconvenient timeline issue for this inference to make sense? Egyptians as in vassal relationship? Ok.

        Quote: “And not a scrap of substantiation for any of it.”
        Odd you can’t see something with your eyes closed and your arms crossed. “X”

        “In “Archaeology Confirms 50 Real People in the Bible,” in the March/April 2014 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review, Purdue University scholar Lawrence Mykytiuk lists 50 figures from the Hebrew Bible that have been confirmed archaeologically. The 50-person chart in BAR includes Israelite kings and Mesopotamian monarchs as well as lesser-known figures.”

        Quote: “The Bible =”

        You forgot the “just”. Your suggestion is as valuable to truth seekers as someone stating the “Voynich manuscript” is a book with colorful writing in it.

        Will you ever tire of using wide supposition, crass generalizations and personal intolerance to attack the handful of folks who hold faith? You think you are helping people by habitually jumping on the spirituality articles ( which you detest ) like a clock-work frog burping up the same indigestible fly?

        • Truthseeker

          Merkin

          Pix is impervious to truth, impervious to logic and impervious to facts, this fine Welch fellow’s life’s work is to convince folks, that are short on gray matter, that the incredible physical body and mind of man came about by blind chance. That there is not a chance in 100 million that there is a Creator God. All the God “stuff” is generated from the fertile minds of pagan men.

          Of course if Pix is reminded that in the near future he is going to croak and turn into worm food and that will be the end of that — he never responds.

          I, at 74, can see the end of my days, but I have proven to myself over and over that there is a Creator God. That He will give me immortality in a new Spirit body.

        • Merkin

          It’s just so strange to me Truthseeker.

          Even is my cloudiest days I could not fathom a mechanical universe of “chance self aware meat”

          :roll:

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