One less happy liturgical change after Vatican II was to abolish the Octave of Pentecost because it abolishes the connection between Pentecost and Trinity. In Pentecost we celebrate the coming down of the Holy Spirit on the Church, thus putting into effect what the death and resurrection of Christ achieved. The whole Christian Mystery from the beginning of Advent till the celebration of Easter celebrations can be summed up in the words of St Paul in Corinthians:
“The grace of the Lord Jesus Christand the love of Godand the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with all of you;”
just as the whole of the Eucharistic Prayer and the meaning of the Mass can be summed up in
“Through him, and with him, and in him, O God, Almighty Father, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all glory and honour is yours, for ever and ever.”
When the Holy Spirit comes down on the Church, the Holy Spirit renders irrelevant anything that separates heaven and earth, welding them into an intimate union and thus allowing Christians to participate in the life of the Holy Trinity, “God became man in order that man can become God.”
While God remains God and human beings remain human beings, they share in the very life of God by sharing in Christ’s death and resurrection. That is why the liturgical colour for Eastern Orthodox is green, symbolising life, and they deck their churches with branches; and that is why what was called “time after Pentecost” is also green in the West; and that is why the icon of Pentecost is that of the Holy Trinity, not of the Pentecost scene. The “Day of the Holy Spirit” is the day after, on Pentecost Monday.
ARTICLE I
“I BELIEVE IN GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY, CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH”
Paragraph 2. The Father
I. “IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT”
232 Christians are baptized “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”53 Before receiving the sacrament, they respond to a three-part question when asked to confess the Father, the Son and the Spirit: “I do.” “The faith of all Christians rests on the Trinity.”54
233 Christians are baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit: not in their names,55 for there is only one God, the almighty Father, his only Son and the Holy Spirit: the Most Holy Trinity.
234 The mystery of the Most Holy Trinity is the central mystery of Christian faith and life. It is the mystery of God in himself. It is therefore the source of all the other mysteries of faith, the light that enlightens them. It is the most fundamental and essential teaching in the “hierarchy of the truths of faith”.56 The whole history of salvation is identical with the history of the way and the means by which the one true God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, reveals himself to men “and reconciles and unites with himself those who turn away from sin”.57
235 This paragraph expounds briefly (I) how the mystery of the Blessed Trinity was revealed, (II) how the Church has articulated the doctrine of the faith regarding this mystery, and (III) how, by the divine missions of the Son and the Holy Spirit, God the Father fulfills the “plan of his loving goodness” of creation, redemption and sanctification.
236 The Fathers of the Church distinguish between theology (theologia) and economy (oikonomia). “Theology” refers to the mystery of God’s inmost life within the Blessed Trinity and “economy” to all the works by which God reveals himself and communicates his life. Through the oikonomia the theologia is revealed to us; but conversely, the theologia illuminates the whole oikonomia. God’s works reveal who he is in himself; the mystery of his inmost being enlightens our understanding of all his works. So it is, analogously, among human persons. A person discloses himself in his actions, and the better we know a person, the better we understand his actions.
237 The Trinity is a mystery of faith in the strict sense, one of the “mysteries that are hidden in God, which can never be known unless they are revealed by God”.58 To be sure, God has left traces of his Trinitarian being in his work of creation and in his Revelation throughout the Old Testament. But his inmost Being as Holy Trinity is a mystery that is inaccessible to reason alone or even to Israel’s faith before the Incarnation of God’s Son and the sending of the Holy Spirit.
II. THE REVELATION OF GOD AS TRINITY
The Father revealed by the Son
238 Many religions invoke God as “Father”. The deity is often considered the “father of gods and of men”. In Israel, God is called “Father” inasmuch as he is Creator of the world.59 Even more, God is Father because of the covenant and the gift of the law to Israel, “his first-born son”.60 God is also called the Father of the king of Israel. Most especially he is “the Father of the poor”, of the orphaned and the widowed, who are under his loving protection.61
239 By calling God “Father”, the language of faith indicates two main things: that God is the first origin of everything and transcendent authority; and that he is at the same time goodness and loving care for all his children. God’s parental tenderness can also be expressed by the image of motherhood,62 which emphasizes God’s immanence, the intimacy between Creator and creature. The language of faith thus draws on the human experience of parents, who are in a way the first representatives of God for man. But this experience also tells us that human parents are fallible and can disfigure the face of fatherhood and motherhood. We ought therefore to recall that God transcends the human distinction between the sexes. He is neither man nor woman: he is God. He also transcends human fatherhood and motherhood, although he is their origin and standard:63 no one is father as God is Father.
240 Jesus revealed that God is Father in an unheard-of sense: he is Father not only in being Creator; he is eternally Father in relation to his only Son, who is eternally Son only in relation to his Father: “No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and any one to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”64
241 For this reason the apostles confess Jesus to be the Word: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”; as “the image of the invisible God”; as the “radiance of the glory of God and the very stamp of his nature”.65
242 Following this apostolic tradition, the Church confessed at the first ecumenical council at Nicaea (325) that the Son is “consubstantial” with the Father, that is, one only God with him.66 The second ecumenical council, held at Constantinople in 381, kept this expression in its formulation of the Nicene Creed and confessed “the only-begotten Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, light from light, true God from true God, begotten not made, consubstantial with the Father”.67
The Father and the Son revealed by the Spirit
243 Before his Passover, Jesus announced the sending of “another Paraclete” (Advocate), the Holy Spirit. At work since creation, having previously “spoken through the prophets”, the Spirit will now be with and in the disciples, to teach them and guide them “into all the truth”.68 The Holy Spirit is thus revealed as another divine person with Jesus and the Father.
244 The eternal origin of the Holy Spirit is revealed in his mission in time. The Spirit is sent to the apostles and to the Church both by the Father in the name of the Son, and by the Son in person, once he had returned to the Father.69 The sending of the person of the Spirit after Jesus’ glorification70 reveals in its fullness the mystery of the Holy Trinity.
245 The apostolic faith concerning the Spirit was confessed by the second ecumenical council at Constantinople (381): “We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and giver of life, who proceeds from the Father.”71 By this confession, the Church recognizes the Father as “the source and origin of the whole divinity”.72 But the eternal origin of the Spirit is not unconnected with the Son’s origin: “The Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity, is God, one and equal with the Father and the Son, of the same substance and also of the same nature. . . Yet he is not called the Spirit of the Father alone,. . . but the Spirit of both the Father and the Son.”73 The Creed of the Church from the Council of Constantinople confesses: “With the Father and the Son, he is worshipped and glorified.”74
246 The Latin tradition of the Creed confesses that the Spirit “proceeds from the Father and the Son (filioque)”. The Council of Florence in 1438 explains: “The Holy Spirit is eternally from Father and Son; He has his nature and subsistence at once (simul) from the Father and the Son. He proceeds eternally from both as from one principle and through one spiration. . . . And, since the Father has through generation given to the only-begotten Son everything that belongs to the Father, except being Father, the Son has also eternally from the Father, from whom he is eternally born, that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Son.”75
247 The affirmation of the filioque does not appear in the Creed confessed in 381 at Constantinople. But Pope St. Leo I, following an ancient Latin and Alexandrian tradition, had already confessed it dogmatically in 447,76 even before Rome, in 451 at the Council of Chalcedon, came to recognize and receive the Symbol of 381. The use of this formula in the Creed was gradually admitted into the Latin liturgy (between the eighth and eleventh centuries). The introduction of the filioque into the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed by the Latin liturgy constitutes moreover, even today, a point of disagreement with the Orthodox Churches.
248 At the outset the Eastern tradition expresses the Father’s character as first origin of the Spirit. By confessing the Spirit as he “who proceeds from the Father”, it affirms that he comes from the Father through the Son.77 The Western tradition expresses first the consubstantial communion between Father and Son, by saying that the Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son (filioque). It says this, “legitimately and with good reason”,78 for the eternal order of the divine persons in their consubstantial communion implies that the Father, as “the principle without principle”,79 is the first origin of the Spirit, but also that as Father of the only Son, he is, with the Son, the single principle from which the Holy Spirit proceeds.80 This legitimate complementarity, provided it does not become rigid, does not affect the identity of faith in the reality of the same mystery confessed.
(Catholic Catechism)
A NOTE BY ME
245 The apostolic faith concerning the Spirit was confessed by the second ecumenical council at Constantinople (381): “We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and giver of life, who proceeds from the Father.”71 By this confession, the Church recognizes the Father as “the source and origin of the whole divinity”
The ‘filioque’, even on Orthodox principles, would only be a heresy if it denied the original version or if it implied a doctrine that was different from the original version and excluded it. In reality, when the anger dies down, both sides of the argument acknowledge and recognise the Father as “the source and origin of the whole divinity”. The ‘filioque’ does not deny this, but rather it looks at the mystery from a different angle. Even St Gregory Palamas echoed St Augustine in saying that the Holy Spirit is the “mutual love of Father and Son.” (see the video below by Orthodox theologian Marcus Plested).
On the other hand, whether the popes were right in allowing this addition to the Creed is another question. They justified their right as a strictly legal question, whether they had a right in law. However, just as the paradigm of the Church as a perfect society does not dig deep enough to encounter the Church as Communion, so there are deeper arguments to suggest that it was a wrong move:
1) It was against the spirit of the liturgy in that it placed into a text that was in the liturgy precisely to express and celebrate our communal faith a text that was primarily a concern for the faith in the West;
2) It went against the spirit of the papacy under Pope Leo the Great whose understanding of the papacy was not very different from that of Pius IX but who always worked in and through the synodal structure of the Church;
3) The addition was originally advocated by the western emperors, at least in part, with the intention of catching the eastern Empire on the wrong foot, and it was resisted by successive popes precisely for the sake of communion with the East – that was the papacy doing its job; but the pope only gave up his opposition to the addition of the ‘filioque’ in the Creed when he despaired of ever having unity with the East. It is an expression of papal weakness rather than papal power. The sooner we drop it the better.
BENEDICT XVI
ANGELUS
Solemnity of the Most Holy Trinity
Saint Peter’s Square
Sunday, 7 June 2009
Dear Brothers and Sisters,
After the Easter Season which culminated in the Feast of Pentecost, the liturgy provides for these three Solemnities of the Lord: today, Trinity Sunday; next Thursday, Corpus Christi which in many countries, including Italy, will be celebrated next Sunday; and finally, on the following Friday, the Feast of the Sacred Heart of Jesus. Each one of these liturgical events highlights a perspective by which the whole mystery of the Christian faith is embraced: and that is, respectively the reality of the Triune God, the Sacrament of the Eucharist and the divine and human centre of the Person of Christ. These are truly aspects of the one mystery of salvation which, in a certain sense, sum up the whole itinerary of the revelation of Jesus, from his Incarnation to his death and Resurrection and, finally, to his Ascension and the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Today we contemplate the Most Holy Trinity as Jesus introduced us to it. He revealed to us that God is love “not in the oneness of a single Person, but in the Trinity of one substance” (Preface). He is the Creator and merciful Father; he is the Only-Begotten Son, eternal Wisdom incarnate, who died and rose for us; he is the Holy Spirit who moves all things, cosmos and history, toward their final, full recapitulation. Three Persons who are one God because the Father is love, the Son is love, the Spirit is love. God is wholly and only love, the purest, infinite and eternal love. He does not live in splendid solitude but rather is an inexhaustible source of life that is ceaselessly given and communicated. To a certain extent we can perceive this by observing both the macro-universe: our earth, the planets, the stars, the galaxies; and the micro-universe: cells, atoms, elementary particles. The “name” of the Blessed Trinity is, in a certain sense, imprinted upon all things because all that exists, down to the last particle, is in relation; in this way we catch a glimpse of God as relationship and ultimately, Creator Love. All things derive from love, aspire to love and move impelled by love, though naturally with varying degrees of awareness and freedom. “O Lord, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth!” (Ps 8: 1) the Psalmist exclaims. In speaking of the “name”, the Bible refers to God himself, his truest identity. It is an identity that shines upon the whole of Creation, in which all beings for the very fact that they exist and because of the “fabric” of which they are made point to a transcendent Principle, to eternal and infinite Life which is given, in a word, to Love. “In him we live and move and have our being”, St Paul said at the Areopagus of Athens (Acts 17: 28). The strongest proof that we are made in the image of the Trinity is this: love alone makes us happy because we live in a relationship, and we live to love and to be loved. Borrowing an analogy from biology, we could say that imprinted upon his “genome”, the human being bears a profound mark of the Trinity, of God as Love.
The Virgin Mary, in her docile humility, became the handmaid of divine Love: she accepted the Father’s will and conceived the Son by the power of the Holy Spirit. In her the Almighty built a temple worthy of him and made her the model and image of the Church, mystery and house of communion for all human beings. May Mary, mirror of the Blessed Trinity, help us to grow in faith in the Trinitarian mystery.
Source:
http://fatherdavidbirdosb.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-mystery-of-holy-trinity.html
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123’s of true Christianity v popular & damnable heresies
(simply because you “confess” it does not mean you actually are, the devil has deceived many of his own children to believe they are Christians 2Tim 3:5)
#1 “ONE” not triune: THE ANTI CHRIST….WHERE? WHERE?….EVERYWHERE!!! …..IT”S YOU O TRINITARIAN!
“WHO” it was (what person) that came “IN THE FLESH”, IS THE DETERMINING FACTOR IN WHAT IT MEANS TO BE “ANT-CHRIST”! Even Islam claims Jesus was the Jewish messiah/Christ who was to come in the flesh) they all deny “WHO” it was (what person) that came (to be the Christ) in the flesh!?!…….To deny the father is to deny the son because they are one and the same person that came in the flesh! https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-6-anti-christ-where-everywhere-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card
JOHN 14: 8-20 where Christ specifically identifies himself (his person as the person of both the father and the HS; the only distinction is in “location” and “method of manifestation” …….Note Isaiah 9:6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: …: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, … the everlasting Father ….The son, father/Holy Spirit are all the same person, NOT like two different persons working together even as “one flesh” ….The “oneness” between Christ and the father is not comparable to a man & his wife, for only a fool would say “When you have seen me you have seen my wife, how sayest thou then, Shew us your wife?” Notice they asked to see THE FATHER and the response was Jn 14:9 ..“HAVE I BEEN SO LONG time with you, and yet hast THOU NOT KNOW ME, Philip…..Now image some fool trying to claim that statement if you asked to see his wife!?!!? You want to see the FATHER but have I been with you but you don’t know me!?!?!
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Jn 14 continued….…………..17. Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; (Jn 14:6 I AM the way, THE TRUTH,) whom the world cannot receive, .. for HE DEWLLETH WITH YOU, (present tense/standing next to them in the flesh) and SHALL BE IN YOU… (future tense “In them”) 18. I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU (future tense “In them”) Note: The spirit of Christ is the sprit of God and the holy spirit that is why Christ said “I will come to you” (to comfort them, because Christ is the comforter). The spirit was standing next to them in flesh… ….latter it would come to them to be inside of them (inside of their flesh as the spirit we are given)…..that is why. he would send the spirit…… However, Jesus himself here makes the point that the same person who was the HOLY SPIRIT that would come was standing next to them but lets them know “I will come to you again to be Inside of you”
The whole point to Gal 3:20.a mediator is NOT A MEDIATOR OF ONE, (HEIS) but GOD IS ONE. (HEIS) again, point blank, identifies the number of persons of God! The “but” points out the contrast between multiple persons in a mediation party v the “one” of God. God is not like a mediation party with multiple different persons. …..”the express image of his person” ( the person of God; singular not plural).Any attempt to lay claim otherwise is willful ignorance and delusional nonsense https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-1-echadechadmy-godgod-echad-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card
NOTE: don’t be that one in prov 26:12 over my use of the word “fool” here prov 18:13 (https://www.scribd.com/presentation/322007258/Fools ) “But but, the gospel of John…the Gospel of John …look look…” which is quite ironic since the gospel of John does not leave ANY room for multiple different persons of Jesus and father. However the gospel of John does leave a few verses that facilitate God’s promise in 2 Thess 2:11/ Isaiah 66:4 (take note of “HAND” in verse 2,14..You just can’t make this stuff up…God is surely laughing at these fools; Ps 2:1&4)
……Mark 12:28…Which is the first commandment of all? 29. …Hear, O Israel; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD: 30. And ………..this is the first commandment….. 31. And the second is…..
JESUS IS GOD AND IS THE FULLFILMENT OF ALL THE LAW AND PROPHETS SO IF YOU CAN’T GET THIS “FIRST OF ALL COMMANDMENTS” RIGHT, ALL THE REST OF YOUR “FAITH” AND PREACHING ON SIN IS MOOT
TRINITARIANS CONFESS JESUS /THEY ARE NOT POLYTHEIST BUT ARE MONOTHEIST LIKE A LIAR & THIEF WHO “CONFESS” THEY DO NOT LIE OR STEAL The simple fact is that just because you confess or deny that you are in an adulterous relationship and denounce all forms of adultery has nothing to do with whether or not it is in fact adulterous! .. …A rose by any other name is still just a rose AND calling it a water lily does not change the definition of what a water Lilly or a rose is either!…No, Trinitarians confess & preach literally …”ANOTHER JESUS” 2 Cor 11:4
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- Like a thief in your house caught stealing your things insisting he was not there stealing “I CONFESS I am NOT stealing”. You just do not “properly understand” what he is doing/saying. Further, since you never had a “proper understanding” of what he is doing/saying you have no business accusing him since you do not even know what you are talking about in the first place. It is with and in your own ignorance that you base your “false accusations” & “ad homonym attacks” against him…… Ridiculous of course it is ……2Thess 2:11; Titus 1:16; 2Tim 3:5;
- A Favorite tool for pathological liars is to use incongruent definitions or create oxymorons out of synonyms such as “a person” and “a being” so as to claim that your god is THREE DIFFERENT PERSONS but ONLY ONE BEING: Which is (1) no different then trying to claim that “THREE DIFFERENT CARS” is “THE ONE VEHICLE” (2) blatant demonstration of the dishonesty & sorcery these children of hell will employ with “a strait face” (which is in part what it means to be a pathological liar)
……but, ah i remember how this game is played… “God is three in one” (or 1in 3 or 3in one et al) should have given you a hint, harking back to Satan in The garden…God said you will die…Satan comes along and states no you will be more WISE……today .God said He is one; but Satan’s children come along and say no three is more WISE and humble in the face of God’s grandeur only “a mystery” that can be understood “in faith”. God uses head and right arm to explain the distinctions between father and son.. However, the Trinitarian heretics say to the effect: “NO, that is just a figure of speech, or that is not what God really means. What God is really saying is that God is three different persons”. Fools, hypocrites and blind guides, God said he was One and by your traditions and vain imaginations have taken the words of God and made them of no effect, refashioning God into your image!
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#2 SECOND COMING Thou Fool! “I come quickly” so “Hold fast
till i come”… NOT …“in another 2000 yrs I might be coming soon any time now, so hold fast”!?! …those that deny the second coming of Christ in the war of AD70 are practicing a damnable heresy in denying the lord that bought them ( 2Peter 2:1-2 ;2Tim 4:8/ you cant love an appearing you deny& the context is the 2nd coming not the first)… Mat 7:23..”I NEVER KNEW YOU” …..Mat 10:33. But whosoever shall deny me before men……..sound familiar?…. If I said I am coming to your house in this generation when these things happen but no one knows the day or hour what fool would think I might be coming in 2000 years latter!?!? ..2 Tim 4: 4. And
they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be TURNED UNTO FABLES.
2Thess 2: 11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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#3 There is a sharp contrast between THREE groups :
(1) “PREDESTINED DAMNED” who were NEVER written in the book of life ………..Rev 17: 8 WHOSE NAMES WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, …as contrasted …EPH 1: 4. According as he hath CHOSEN US in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD
(2) “MANY CALLED”= ONLY and ALL SAINTS (those who come to Christ) are written in the book of life … Philippians 4:3… ……Rev 21:27; (Only saints are Called and elect; Rom 1:6-7 et al) This is THE CHRUCH and ONLY these can have their names blotted out of the book of life ….….Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and CHURCH of the firstborn … WHICH ………are WRITTEN in heaven,
(3) THE FEW CHOSEN: Those saints who were alive in group #2 who are now physically dead. They died “faithful” these are the FEW that were chosen faithful…….Rev 3:5. ……; and I
will not BLOT OUT HIS NAME OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE, (Ps 69:28) …. These are the FEW that are CHOSEN and now that they have died and are saved then “once saved THEY CAN NEVER BE LOST”
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Here are SOME Key points but certainly NOT ALL the book is ~155pgs of scriptures and reasoning
PART 1
ECHAD..ECHAD…MY GOD…GOD IS ECHAD!… TRYING TO APPLY OR INSISTING THAT A COMPOUND UNITY IS HOW ECHAD SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD IN DEUT 6:4 IS PURELY THE RESULT OF ACADEMIC FOOLS TRYING TO PLAY ACROBATIC EXEGESIS AND DECEIVING UNSTABLE AND UNLEARNED MEN!?!
Mark 12:28. And one of the scribes came, …., asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 29. And Jesus answered him, The THE FIRST OF ALL THE COMMANDMENTS IS, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is ONE (HEIS) Lord:……..IF YOU CANNOT PROPERLY GRASP THE CONCEPT OF “ONE GOD” (and “who” [what person] Jesus is) THEN ALL THE REST OF YOUR THEOLOGY IS MOOT
Linguistically, both the Hebrew and the Greek NT terms translated as “ONE” in various places to modify “God” as in “God is ONE” destroy all pretense to God in three different persons.
The word Echad is used almost IDENTICAL AS THE ENGLISH WORD “ONE”……… Both the words “ONE” and “ECHAD” refer to
(a) ONE PERSON/ or item ONLY (Ezk33:24; Eccl 4:8)
(b) multiple different persons who are acting as one (Gen 2:24)
(c) multiple different parts of the same person or thing that act as one .(Ezk 37:17; Ez 2:64) .
(d) While other possible uses for Echad exist such as “first” (e.g Isaiah 51:20); or “unique” in certain passages [e.g. based primarily on Job 23:13; Ez 7:1; 1Chron 17:21; 2Sam 7:23; et al] but none of these are relevant (nor necessary to debate the virtues of such as “unique”) because the same passage and word is used in the NT with specific Greek word where uses such as “first” or “unique” would not be accurate and or permissible
Thus the mere fact that the word echad is used anywhere does not demand any one of those definitions just by itself NOR CAN YOU CHERRY PICK A DEFINITION YOU WANT TO USE SUCH AS A “COMPOUND UNITY”!?!…. so WHICH ONE OF THESE USES IS THE CORRECT USE?
There are two FUNDAMENTAL AND DEVASTATING reasons why ECHAD in Deut 6:4 (or any of the other places where God is defined by that word) cannot refer to a compound unity. Each reason stands on its own not dependent on the other and either one destroys the Trinitarians.
FIRST:
(1) The word Echad can be used almost identical to the English word “ONE” it can refer to
(a) NO COMPOUND UNITY of ONE a single solitary ONE PERSON ONLY (Ezk33:24; Eccl 4:8) …
OR…….
(b) COMPOUND UNITY : a husband and wife/ table and chairs as ONE which is a compound unity (Gen 2:24); Ezk 37:17; Ez 2:64 ) ….Thus the fact that God uses the word ECHAD does not show that God is a compound unity any more so then to say “I am ONE” shows that I am a compound unity nor does it prove that I should have said “I am ALONE”
So which is it in Deut 6:4? Well the same grammar rule that applies to (Ezk33:24; Eccl 4:8) applies to Deut 6:4 …Namely:
In Hebrew the word ECHAD must be accompanied by collective sets of nouns pronouns to identify as a compound unity in the same way the English word “ONE “ is used………..
EXAMPLE A: ECHAD /ONE/ HEN used as a COMPOUND UNITY of ONE:
-ENGLISH
The table/Husband and chairs/Wife are ONE
-GREEK
The table/Husband and chairs/Wife are HEN
-HEBREW
The table/Husband and chairs/Wife are ECHAD
HERE IS WHERE : Echad in scripture used as multiple different persons who are acting as one (Gen 2:24) And or multiple different parts of the same person or thing that act as one .(Ezk 37:17; Ez 2:64)
When the word Echad is used with reference to God it is NEVER qualified with multiple sets of pronouns/nouns WHICH IN HEBREW IT MUST in order to interpret or claim a compound unity exist and is almost identical in the way that the English word ONE does!?!?!?
If you say you have ONE/ECHAD table no compound unity Is under consideration period! …if on the other hand you say those legs and top fit together as ONE/ECHAD then and only then is a compound unity under consideration….This is true for the Hebrew word Echad …It must be accompanied by multiple pronouns and nouns to suggest or claim any compound unity is under consideration but it NEVER IS WHEN GOD IS THE SUBJECT!?!?
EXAMPLE B ECHAD /ONE/ HEIS as a numeral singular ONE person place or thing with NO compound unity:
-ENGLISH
I have ONE table
-GREEK
I have HEIS table
-HEBREW
I have ECHAD table
HERE IS WHERE : Echad in scripture used as ONE PERSON/or thing ONLY (Ezk33:24; Eccl 4:8) NO COMPOUND UNITY IS HERE EVEN THOUGH THE WORD ECHAD IS USED!
So, just as with the English word “ one” is defined by the context so too is the Hebrew word Echad defined by the context in which it is found. Collective sets of nouns/pronouns indicate a compound unity as in the table and chairs are “ECHAD”/ “one” ( set ) If on the other hand all you have is “one”/ “echad” table then there is not compound unity involved. When the Lord states that HE is one there is no compound unity under consideration because for there to be so then the OT text would have had to spell out that the Lord of he and I and him are “one” However, the OT context and sentence structure where Echad is used to describe God forbids any compound unity because for a compound unity to exist it must be qualified with a collective set of nouns/ pronouns, which it never is.
NOTE: The word used in Deut 6:4 is Echad not Yachid nor does the existence of the word Yachid prove anything about how Echad is to be understood in Deut 6:4
(A) The fact that any language has different forms of the same word and or multiple different words that can all mean and or refer to the same definition does not invalidate the definition!?! (example I am ALONE …or I am BY MYSELF) This Trinitarian kind of argument is saying basically that since God could have used the word FORTOLD (yachid) but chose to use PROPHECY (Echad) instead therefore the word PROPHECY (Echad) can’t have/ be used with the same meaning as the word FORTOLD(yachid)!?!?! …Prov 26:12
FISH can be used as SINGLAR or PLURAL
FISHES is just another form of the word …The fact that the word Fishes exist does not prove that the word FISH is always singular!?!? http://www.dictionary.com/browse/fishes
Elohim is SINGULAR or PLURAL…..the fact that there is another form of the word ELOAH proves nothing !?!
(B) Since the word Echad can be used almost identical to the English word “ONE” it can refer to a single solitary NO compound unity of ONE(Ezk33:24; Eccl 4:8) …OR……. it can also refer to a husband and wife/ table and chairs as ONE which is a compound unity ((Gen 2:24); Ezk 37:17; Ez 2:64 ) ….Thus the fact that God uses the word ECHAD does not show that God is a compound unity any more so then to say “I am ONE” shows that I am a compound unity nor does it prove that I should have said “I am ALONE” if i intended that to be understood ….Trying to argue that God should have used this word Yachid instead of that word Ecahd if he wanted folks to understand that he is only one person is a ridiculous and self-righteous argument of cowards, fools and liars (trinitarians) ……Prov 26:12
Further and final note for this first part: “A compound unity” can refer to different parts of the same thing or person as well as different persons who are acting/ unified as one. So even if “a compound unity” is assumed in Deut 6:4 that still would not demonstrate that God would be multiple different persons as opposed to having different modes/parts/manifestations that are unified together such as the different parts of the human body are all unified as one but only a fool should suggest that compound unity represented multiple different persons!
SECOND
(A) The same verse and words of Deut 6:4 are translated in the NT with specific Greek words that PROHIBIT and FORBID any more then ONE PERSON !?! Thus the NT writers understood ECHAD in Deut 6:4 NOT as a compound unity but as ONE person ONLY…..
In the NT two different Greek words are used to express those SAME BASIC SET OF DEFINITIONS found in the Hebrew word Echad or the English word “ONE” they are “Heis” & “Hen”
“HEIS” (a) ONE PERSON ONLY This word demands a singular person (or item) when person (or item) is the object being quantified by that number. (NO EXCEPTIONS EXIST, not even in Gal 3:28!?!) This word is used thousands of time in the NT (even if you do not count the times it refers to God) and when it refers to persons it NEVER defines more then ONE single person period!
Joseph Henry Thayer: “Heis” means the cardinal numeral ONE. Where the word “heis” takes the place of a predicate it means one person. (Page 186. A Greek, English Lexicon of the New Testament.)
Mr. A. T. Robertson: “One,” when masculine (heis) sets forth the idea of the cardinal numeral “one.” When referring to people or beings, ALWAYS the numeral “one” is implied. (Page 186 vol 5; pages 526 and 527, vol 4; page 299 vol 4. Word Pictures of the Greek New Testament.)
Bauer: The masculine “one” (heis) means, A single; only one. (Page 230 Bauer’s Greek Lexicon.)
Gingrich: The masculine “one,” (heis), is equivalent to ‘protos’ which means‘first’. Only one; single. (Page 57, Shorter Lexicon of the Greek New Testament).
“HEN” (b) multiple different persons who are acting as one “HEN” (1Cor 3:6; Jn 11:52 et al)
(c) multiple different parts of the same one person or thing that act as one (1Cor 12-14-20 the PARTS of the human body are ONE/ HEN et al)
IN the NT when Deut 6:4 et al is referred to by Christ it is recorded as using the Greek word “HEIS”.NOT HEN!?!?….Thus Linguistically, destroys all pretense to God in different persons…….
When two or more words or concepts equally apply have different possible meanings they can only logically apply in a way that they do not contradict each other.(you cannot appeal to self contradiction in terms to make a valid argument)..the Trinitarian argument is incoherent and certainly not consistent with itself. Logically The church members are “Hen” but cannot be “heis”. so multiple persons is the demand. On the other hand, your head and right arm are both “Hen” and “heis” this can only be logically coherent as ONE PERSON with parts or parts of the same person. Likewise; Father and son are “hen” and God is ONLY and always “heis” logically they can only be one person in parts/portions of the same person
(B ) The whole point to Gal 3:20. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one, again, point blank, identifies the number of persons of God! The mediation is between multiple persons (“a party” of God and man); the “but” points out the contrast between the multiple persons in a mediation party verses the “one” of God; The “BUT” is making the point that God is not like a mediation party with multiple persons, God is ONE [person]!?! The one is contrasted against “a party” or multiple persons……….. No matter how one try’s to interpret the parties as individual persons with opposing views or as two different groups or parties (ie corporations) with opposing views, this verse makes a contrast between those meditations and parties which are “NOT ONE” (person), But God “IS ONE” (Person). Thus any attempt to lay claim that this verse does not destroy all contrary pretenses about the fact that God is only one person is willful ignorance and delusional nonsense of the greatest magnitude.
(C) ~pg 51..There are two kinds of oneness one of purpose/Unity/ and one of Person and one kind of oneness does not exclude the truth of the other kind of oneness. They are NOT mutually exclusive. You can’t use one kind of oneness to make void the other with. If Christ is praying for one kind of oneness you cant then assume that well he must be denying the other kind of oneness. The fact is the father and the son just like a head and right arm are BOTH one in purpose/unity AND (as he states elsewhere in other context) one in person. Thus, pointing to passages such as these which use the word “HEN” and in the obvious context of unity of purpose/action/goal and speaks of the oneness of Jesus and the father in that unity wanting his disciples to also be in THAT UNITY just as the right arm (Jesus/son) and head (father) are in THAT UNITY does not have anything to do with the number of persons of God. Jesus is NOT asking that they be one in person nor is he denying that the son and father are one person. The only oneness (Jesus is praying for) under consideration here is the UNITY of parts/purpose/action NOT persons!?! Thus, these passages have nothing to do with the number of persons of God nor can it “Quality” the number of persons of God. In fact they are completely irrelevant in defining the number of persons of God except as an good example of Trinitarian faulty exegesis and logical fallacies..
SUMMARY:
There are two fundamental underlying arguments that destroy any and all trinitarian arguments/ comments to the contrary
(A) The Hebrew grammar prevents ECAHD from having compound unity in specific verses
(B) The Greek grammar prevents the same word translated into from having compound unity
Since “compound unity” is NOT consistent with how the OT or NT writers used/ translated Deut 6:4 the word nor can echad be said to be only used or understood as “compound unity as such:
……… TRYING TO APPLY OR INSISTING THAT A COMPOUND UNITY IS HOW ECHAD SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD IN DEUT 6:4 IS PURELY THE RESULT OF AN ACADEMIC FOOLS TRYING TO PLAY ACROBATIC EXEGESIS AND DECEIVING UNSTABLE AND UNLEARNED MEN!?!…It is these trinitarin et al type arguments like the ones addressed here that demonstrate those who are making them are either woefully Incompetent or liars or the minions of other cowards who hopes no one can point them out for what they are.
God said he would CHOOSE send you STRONG DELUSIONS. I bet it never occurred to the trinitarians et al that God would ever use words in such a way as to allow folks like them to “get confused” (inexcusably so) or lied to and delude themselves with. (2Thess 2:11-12/Isa 66:4/1Kings 22:19-23/ 2Chron 18:18-22) Not only do they not know what they are talking about but the books and or people who are teaching these kinds of argument are cowards who know that they cant defend it so they create as many tape-recorded minions and send them out as one of their “students” so they can avoid the risk of embarrassment of being shown wrong and incompetent. But, don’t worry because they have a vey good reason (stupid reason) why you were not able to answer the anti- trinitarins as well as they themselves could have “if it had been them”!?!…However, if on the other hand no one is able to show these minions the foolishness of their arguments, then the Trinitarian scholars and “teachers” will congratulate the minions on how well they have been taught. I can hear Darth Sideous now: “you have been taught well, they will be no match for you”…..In other words THEY ( the Trinitarian “scholars” and liars who are teaching these arguments) are using you and in their eyes see you as “useful idiots” ……….or just “good minions” (like bob and Stewart) ….you can “see it” however makes you dandelions grow happy…….. …Prov 26:12
PART 4 & 5 HOW MANY OTHER GODS IS THERE FOR “THE ONE GOD” TO SPEAK WITH?!?… WHO WAS JESUS/GOD PRAYING TO and what about the voice at his baptism?….. Pgs 31-36……..The real question should be … How does having multiple different persons keep this one God/being/entity from praying to himself?! The Trinitarians want to have their cake and eat it too as the saying goes. On the one hand they need to say they only worship one indivisible God being/ entity but on the other hand they feel the need for some reason to keep Jesus or God from praying and talking to himself by dividing him up into different persons!?! It never occurs to them that that since there is only one indivisible God to pray too and Jesus is that indivisible God come in the flesh that he would need to talk to himself as to show us how to live, suffer, pray and die for our (and the flesh) benefit not his!?! . God as man ergo “me” making referencing to God the spirit only ergo “you”…..There is only one God to pray too so if God is going to personally (in the flesh) show us how to pray to God, then he would need to do so by praying to himself. There is perfectly good coherent reasons for the one God to be praying to the one God (praying to himself).
But, oh no, Trinitarians feel that if God talked to himself then that would be stupid at best and at worst make God schizophrenic or some other mental illness they fear. No sir, they will have none of it, they are on a “mission from god”. They are going to go out and save God from himself and any schizoid/mental illnesses that might “bedevil” God himself. What is even more ridiculous is that their solution to keep God from talking to himself (some mental illness they feel) is to evoke multiple person(s)-ality (deny it is a) disorder and insert it onto God’s “being” (call it one “entity”/ “The Godhead”) instead!?! Man is made in the image of God and when I see a man with multiple different personalities, in the way Trinitarians desperately need their god to be, we call it a disorder (demon possession to be more exact) not divine!?! …………………..If the One God (in heaven who is a SPIRIT) wanted to validate that it is in fact himself (on the earth in human flesh) that has come in the flesh on the earth, then a voice out of heaven telling everyone that is Himself is perfectly consistent with a coherent agenda and methodology. The voice and witness to men does not come for God’s own sake but for man’s reassurance. (John 12:30 Jesus answered and said, THIS VOICE CAME NOT BECAUSE OF ME, BUT FOR YOUR SAKES) The one person God (who is omnipresent) in heaven as well as on the earth (at the same time) wanted everyone to know that it was indeed HIMSELF “in the flesh” Suddenly we can see that the only things “bedeviled” with “many demons” (and mental imperfections) are the Trinitarian’s logic and mindset itself
Pg 78…….So while Trinitarians are quick to complain that God was not talking to himself at Christ baptism or in Gen “let us” they ignore the logical demands of their own theology! If Jesus is the ONE GOD in flesh and the Father is the SAME ONE GOD in heaven then Trinitarianism demands THE ONE GOD is talking to HIMSELF the same “being”! Claiming that God is multiple different persons as the reason for why God is not talking to himself (because God is three different “selfs”) only demonstrates that what they really worship is in fact not a ONE GOD who talks to himself but three different god “selfs”/ and they all talk to each other! When they speak about who God was talking and praying to, they are quick to say “the other person, NOT HIMSELF!” But if you ask them how many gods do they pray to then they will say “ONLY ONE”!?! They expect you to believe that those three different persons are THE ONE GOD-BEING” which is like calling three different cars “THE ONE VEHICLE” (they are text book examples of prov 26:12) This of course is all nonsense and just polytheism with different wrapping paper and a bow on top. (remember this is not one of those unscrupulous pyramid schemes this is a trapezoid with a solid foundation!?!) If Jesus is not the same ONE GOD that the father is then no amount of denials can overcome the fact that Trinitarians would still be talking and worshiping to different (and in this case) “ONE GODS”. If however, Jesus/father are the same ONE GOD then Trinitarianism cannot escape the fact that “THE ONE GOD” would still have to pray and or talk to HIMSELF at some point. Denials only solidify the fact that they do pray and or worship to three different gods; three different god “selfs” and the only place you can find a “being” that is three different persons is in the “logic” and heads of fools who think they worship one God only that does not talk to himself. ………… A tree is known by its fruit…In the beginning God said you will die; Satan came along and stated you will be more “wise”…..God and His Children said God is one; Satan’s children say no three or triune God is more “wise”…You are of your father the devil. Those who believe in God in three persons are noting but polytheist who insist and “confess” that they are true monotheist….like liars and thieves who insist and “confess” they are not lying and stealing…!?! All liars will have their part in the lake of fire. The fact you claim to be or not to be something does not make it true. You cannot believe in three persons of God if you believe in one God. Three different persons is by definition plurality of beings (godS not God) simply laying claim to it is “beyond comprehension” to explain or understand, but “don’t worry we “confess” that we are monotheist and are not polytheist” is in fact just delusional.
Here is a diagram that graphically depicts how ONE PERSON who is God can Be everywhere at the same time… If a omnipresent God speaks from two different locations even at the same time why is that so amazing, why would Jesus need to be a ventriloquist?!? But perhaps you worship a small God who can only be and act [communicate] in one location at a time [in only one way at a time] People unwittingly put god into a box or environment for God to live in rather then God creating the box and environments for men and angels to live you. Obviously That part of the spirit of God which is connected to the flesh that was born into this world is connected to that flesh in a way that the rest of the same spirit of God is not. Ergo, the distinctions between the Father, Son and Holy spirit are distinctions in function and of circumstance/condition of the various parts of God not differences in person!?!
PGg10… There are only distinctions in the manifestations due to being in different kinds of universes ie spiritual & physical and functioning differently in those all at the same time….Same HE or HIM but the HE that is in heaven is also the He that is on earth but the HE on earth is subordinate and obedient to the HE in heaven because the HE in heaven is the greater part of the HE that is on earth!?!………….
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PART 5
Mat 28:19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them IN THE NAME OF the FATHER, and of the SON, and of the HOLY GHOST:
Some look at this verse and “see” direct evidence of three different persons, which is quite bizarre since This passages specifically makes the point that Father son and holy spirit all have the same name by placing them side by side equating those with each other as the same person!.. The passage is NOT making a distinction of three different names we are to worship in, pay homage to, baptize into!?!
(A) Placing father, son and holy spirit in the same list with each other, it identifies that father son and Holy spirit have the SAME NAME! It does not say IN THE NAMES OF it states IN THE NAME singular not plural (compare: Gal 3:16) (Phil 2:9. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given HIM A NAME WHICH IS ABOVE EVERY NAME:…………………….; Acts 4:12. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is NONE OTHER NAME under heaven given among men, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED.)………..There is ONLY ONE NAME that saves not three different names!!!
(B) John 5:43. I AM COME IN MY FATHER’S NAME,
The fact that three things are mentioned in a list is not a “proof” of three different things or persons. In fact, in writing and or public speaking there is a technical use called a tetracolon and also “rule of three” it was widely used by the Greeks and roman orators of whom it is said “perfected it” even today in modern language it is widely used and scriptures use the same basic construct. A good example of this can be seen here: in Revelation
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of (1) THE WORD of God, and of
(2) THE TESTIMONY of Jesus Christ, and of
(3) all THINGS THAT HE SAW. (Rev 19:9..These are the true sayings of God. .10…for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.)
Also applies to 2Cor 13:14. The grace
(1) OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, and the love
(2) OF GOD, and the communion of
(3) THE HOLY GHOST, be with you all. Amen. …Note the use of “GOD” here rather then father….it matters not if you try to assume that father is under discussion here because the fact is there is ONLY ONE GOD PERIOD and in this verse Jesus, God and Holy Ghost are all God and all the same God.
All three of these things are the same thing/ message addressed from three different perspectives (or portions/parts) or ways of saying the same thing; It is NOT three different messages or testimonies or “Words of God” !?!
(C) Prov 30:4. Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? …… what is his name, and WHAT IS HIS SON’S NAME, if thou canst tell?
LEARN & “KNOW” WHAT “THE NAME OF THE LORD” THAT YOUR ARE BAPTISED INTO AND OR YOUR “FAITH ONLY” IS IN!?!
Ps 138:2. …. and praise THY NAME ……. for thou hast magnified THY WORD ABOVE ALL THY NAME
Rev 19:13. .. and HIS NAME IS called THE WORD OF GOD…………
SO:
- If God placed His “THE WORD” ABOVE all of God’s various NAMEs
- and Jesus NAME (who is God in the flesh) IS called “THE WORD”
Then it must follow that the MOST important name we should KNOW and CALL UPON is “THE WORD”; . Not the letters that spell the word but the sayings/ doctrine/commands…..…… It does NOT say “thy word” is given a name above other names because here THY WORD is identified as the name that is placed above all other names. You cannot pronounce “the word” letter by letter that is why they called him “Jesus” but JESUS has a name which is the highest name that God has and it cannot be pronounced letter by letter !?! …. You cannot pronounce nor could your write out in the scriptures “the word” (all of God’s spoken creation/instructions/ law et al) letter by letter which is why the scriptures refer to “the name of Jesus” which is the same as saying “the name of God”…..but only a fool should think that God is that name!?!
Isaiah 52:1. .. 6. Therefore MY PEOPLE SHALL KNOW MY NAME: ………..What NAME do you “KNOW”.?
1Jn 2:3. And HEREBY WE DO KNOW that we KNOW HIM, if we KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS./ Titus 1: 16. They profess that THEY KNOW God; but IN WORKS THEY DENY him…….
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Rev 3:8….. kept MY WORD, and hast not DENIED MY NAME;
Jn 17:6. I have MANIFESTED THY NAME …. and they have KEPT THY WORD.
1John 5:13. These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE ON THE NAME of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may BELIEVE ON THE NAME of the Son of God.
1Jn 3:23. And THIS IS HIS COMMANDMENT, That we should BELIEVE ON THE NAME of his Son
Jn 20:31. But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life THROUGH HIS NAME.
1Jn 3:23. And THIS IS HIS COMMANDMENT, That we should BELIEVE ON THE NAME of his Son
ERGO: In the name of the father son and Holy Spirit does not denote three different names or three different persons but three ways/modes of the same person and name of God..AT the name OF JESUS…..Jesus has a name that belongs to Jesus…just like the name OF GOD means a name that belongs to GOD but it is ridiculous to suggest that the letters G-O-D is that name…likewise it is just as ridiculous to suggest that the name OF JESUS is the letters J-E-S-U-S……….other considerations: PS 83:16&19 the name is Jehovah but Jehovah is not the name!?! Jehovah means self existent eternal one it is as much an adjective that describes what God’s as it is used as a proper noun “My name is wonderful”, what fool would think that my proper name is “wonderful” …. Jesus is what the man (who was the word in the flesh) that was called “Jesus” because only a fool would think that you could pronounce THE HIGHEST NAME OF GOD and or “the word” (all of God’s spoken creation/instructions/ law et al) letter by letter…. (ie Judges 13:18; 2Cor 12:4 but God’s name is not as great and or “unspeakable???)
……….Soooooooooo WHAT “NAME” did you “CALL UPON” and Confess and or are now denying ?!?
………………………………Ps 53:4
(D) WHO IS THE HOLY SPIRIT? Pgs 72-81
John 14:9. Jesus saith unto him, HAVE I BEEN SO LONG TIME WITH YOU, AND YET HAST THOU NOT KNOWN ME, Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?……The “oneness” between Christ and the father is not comparable to a man and his wife, for only a fool would say “When you have seen me you have seen my wife, how sayest thou then, Shew us your wife?”
……………… 10. Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?…. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, THAT WILL I DO, THAT THE FATHER MAY BE GLORIFIED in the Son. 14. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO IT. …………..
NOW WE GET TO THE HOLY SPIRIT:
…………..17. Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; (Jn 14:6 I AM the way, THE TRUTH,) whom the world cannot receive, .. for HE DEWLLETH WITH YOU, (present tense/standing next to them in the flesh) and SHALL BE IN YOU… (future tense “In them”) 18. I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU (future tense “In them”) Note: The spirit of Christ is the sprit of God and the holy spirit that is why Christ said “I will come to you” (to comfort them, because Christ is the comforter). The spirit was standing next to them in flesh… ….latter it would come to them to be inside of them (inside of their flesh as the spirit we are given)…..that is why. he would send the spirit…… However, Jesus himself here makes the point that the same person who was the HOLY SPIRIT that would come was standing next to them but lets them know “I will come to you again to be Inside of you” The present condition was external to them but in the flesh dwelling with them but, the future condition would be internal to them .. Rom 8:9 When you “see” or “pray” to the father (in the name of the father covered further in Ch 7) you are “seeing” and praying to Jesus and visa versa and Jesus will be the one to “come” and answer because father and son are just different parts/manifestations of the same person!?
Eph 4:4. There is one body, and ONE SPIRIT, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5. ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, 6. ONE GOD AND FATHER of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
1Peter 1:10. Of which salvation THE PROPHETS have inquired and searched diligently, WHO PROPHESIED of the grace that should come unto you:11. Searching what, or what manner of time THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHICH WAS IN THEM, when IT TESTIFIED beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow………
2Peter 1:21. For THE PROPHECY CAME not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as THEY WERE MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST.
Col 1:27. … THIS MYSTERY among the Gentiles; WHICH IS CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory: ….
Rom 8:9…..if so be that THE SPIRIT OF GOD DEWELL IN YOU. Now if any man have not THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his………
John 6:63. It is THE SPIRIT that quickeneth; … THE WORDS … they ARE SPIRIT, and they are life…
Rom 8:9. … THE SPIRIT dwell IN YOU. Now if any man have not THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his.
There is only ONE SPIRIT not one spirit for Christ the man another spirit for the Father person (who is a spirit) and a third spirit called the Holy Spirit!?!?!….1Cor 12:13….There is no such thing as three different spirits who are also the same ONE SPIRIT …
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