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False Flat Earth Arguments That Should Be Avoided

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False Flat Earth Arguments That Should Be Avoided
 

1.  Water is self leveling therefore it cannot form a sphere but must remain flat. 

Water does indeed form spheres naturally when in free float such as in a zero g flight. The question is: will it form a sphere around a marble or rock or will it naturally come off of the marble or rock and form a sphere by itself apart from the marble or rock. Water is only self leveling when resting on a surface with a downforce holding it in place. On a globe a sphere of water would be level to the globe it is resting upon.

2.  When a rocket leaves the atmosphere (which is hypothetically moving with the rotation of the earth at a thousand miles per hour at the equator) and enters into the vacuum of space it should encounter some resistance or force during the transition and be destroyed or severely disturbed just like one would expect when throwing a paper airplane from the window of a moving car.

This is false because there is hypothetically nothing in the vacuum of space for the rocket to encounter which would cause any kind of drag or resistance and therefore the rocket would just carry on with its natural or propelled trajectory. It is the wind resistance that opposes and slows the paper plane after it has left the car. No air, no wind, no resistance, no affect.

3.  Rivers would have to be traveling up hill on a globe.

There is no up or down in space. North is not the same as up and south is not the same as down. Up, on the globe is simply the direction away from the center of mass of the earth.  And down is the direction towards the center of mass of the earth. We will never see a river flowing up a mountain or in any direction that is moving away from the center of mass but rather always flowing in whatever direction where the ground is closer to the center of mass of the earth than where the water is coming from.

4.  Day and night should be at opposite times every six months on the globe model.

This one is false because by adding a little extra time to each day this has been compensated for in the globe model. Instead of a day being the time it takes for the earth to rotate 360 degrees it is calculated to be 1/365 of the time it takes to orbit the sun.

5. Days and nights should be the same amount of time everywhere on earth.

This is false due to the supposed tilt of the earth. Because of this tilt the sun shines more on the northern or southern hemisphere depending on the respective season. Since the sun is covering more of one hemisphere then the other and because of the curvature of a sphere this just is not true.

6. Airplane would go faster in one direction than the other.

This is false due to the atmosphere mostly moving along with the earth due to the friction the earth and everything on it exerts on the atmosphere. Seemingly the higher up one goes the slower the air would be moving. Since the plane is propelling itself by pushing the air behind it, the planes speed will be in direct relation to the movement of lack of movement of the air it is flying through.

7. Doppler effect    

I just encountered this one and it is false for the same basic reason the airplane one is false. The sound is moving through the air so the supposed momentum of the air negates the idea that Mr. thriving off his controlled opposition shill paycheck’s video presents. It is the speed of the sound in relation to the air that matters, not in relation to the earth or supposed outer space.

8. The horizon always remains at eye level no matter how high you go.

Although the general idea is correct it, this statement is false. In reality the horizon is never at eye level unless you are laying flat on the ground looking out at it. Just look at some pics of the horizon if you can’t go to a beach or a large field to see for yourself, the top part above the horizon is always larger than the bottom part if the pic.
It seems that some of us are doing exactly what we accuse the globers of, just believing what we were told instead of using our own eyes and good sense.

Also, the horizon does slowly get lower and lower as one gets higher and higher, this is just a matter of simple physics, it just happens at an almost undetectable rate. You can’t really believe that if you kept traveling straight up for 10 years that the horizon would still be even in view let alone at eye level or anything close to it.

As soon as you say this to someone they can rightfully say, “no that’s not true” and you are discredited.
In order to correct this we should simply state that the horizon always rises with you as you gain altitude instead of shrinking downward as it should on a globe.

9. Density replaces gravity.

This is false because gravity is a theoretical force and density is a physical attribute of a given substance. This really is a case of apples and oranges. Gravity is the force (on the globe model) that causes more dense materials to settle below less dense materials such as a stone settling to the bottom of the sea whereas density is really just a measurement of how much pull gravity has on an object based on how tightly packed the molecules or atoms are. If there were no force acting upon the material to pull It downward or in a given direction then there would be no up or down.

The only thing that can replace gravity as the force that pulls all things downward is another force. I don’t know what that force may be (possibly some type of molecular magnetism?) but I do know that density is not a force and therefore this argument is bunk.

 

10. If Earth and its atmosphere were constantly spinning eastwards over 1000mph then North/South facing cannons should establish a control while East-firing cannonballs should fall significantly farther than all others while West-firing cannonballs should fall significantly closer. In actual fact, however, regardless of which direction cannons are fired, the distance covered is always the same.

This is the same basic argument as with the airplanes and Doppler effect and is false for the same basic reasons.

 

Also, I believe Dubay, Sargent, Powerland and pretty much everyone that youtube shoved in our face to be disinfo shills. Dubay gained a following by making alot of sense (not complete sense) on the flat earth subject and religion but then comes out and claims that dinosaurs are not real. In this way he discredited the whole idea of fe. It is pretty easy to prove that dinosaurs were real.

So everyone who believed him and repeated him about dinosaurs because he gained their trust and respect were immediately discredited. I don’t believe that he is stupid so it must have been intentional.

They put these shills out in order to get ahead of the inevitable questions that were already being asked by some and soon to be asked by many due to the amateur rocket and balloon videos that were being made and shared. It was technology in amateur hands that they could not manipulate that forced them to come out with this and try to discredit it before it gained momentum. I don’t think their plan worked, some of us are still to smart. I guess they need to up the fluoride dosage. lol

 



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    • chefjim

      STOP and do something worthwhile with your time.

      • Mongoose

        You took the time to type that and accuse me of wasting my time? :lol:

    • Daniel Jackson

      Actually flat earthers are emerging and so, you encounter their nonsense on the Internet, just like allot of other nonsense as if enough isn’t enough. I wonder whether or not they are liberals.

      • Mongoose

        The nonsense is put out intentionally by shills to make the idea sound stupid. That is why I compiled this list.
        It is easy to disprove the globe but of course you being a shill will prevent no evidence or rational argument, just insults.

    • LifeIs

      About #3, you misunderstood the argument. And it is an old argument. Because of the EQUATORIAL BULGE, rivers flowing toward the equator would have to flow uphill.

      The distance to the center of the Earth is more than 13 miles greater at the equator, than it is at the poles.

      Rivers, ocean currents, and winds that are moving toward the equator must climb in altitude.

      And they do this, the SAME WAY ships and planes climb uphill, as THEY move toward the equator.

      The energy that lifts rivers, currents, winds, ships, and planes, is the centrifugal force of the Earth’s spin.

      • Mongoose

        Ok, if that is the case then you are correct however that is not the way I have heard the argument presented. Thanx for you input.

      • Mongoose

        They are now saying that the earth is slightly pear shape though which would negate everything you are saying.

        Also if there was centrifugal force acting on the earth, we should be able to put a censor (say a 20′ pole with some sort of sensitive torque meter in line at or just above ground level) on one of the tropics and measure a slightly northerly or southerly pull as the centrifugal force would be pulling straight out at a 90 degree angle from the axis of rotation which from the perspective of someone standing on the earth would not be straight up but would be pulling slightly to the south if you are in the north and slightly to the north if you are in the south.

        • LifeIs

          The equatorial bulge is an observed, observable fact. Surveyors can measure such things, accurately.

          People do make measurements with gravitometers, in various places for various reasons.

          No, there should not be a northerly or southerly pull from the centrifugal force of the earth’s spin. Why would there be?

          The centrifugal force pulls the entire surface up, land, sea, and air, more than 13 miles. The key word is “up.” Why would you lean?

          Picture a line between the north pole and the south pole. You’re not spinning at the poles. Halfway to the equator, you’re spinning at about 500 mph. At the equator, you’re spinning about about 1,000 mph.

          And your spin lifts you up, away from the center of the earth. Not sideways.

          • Mongoose

            So Neil Degrees Tyson is wrong? I guess you are now the authority on astrophysics and the shape of the earth? So you disagree with nasa?

            Every composite of earth from nasa shows a perfect sphere. The one supposedly real photo also shows a perfect sphere. So what gives?

            Who observed and measured it? Give me an example. Your word to me is about as good as the US gov’s.

            The centrifugal force as I stated before does not pull straight up as you say. If it did the ships that you mentioned would not be pulled towards the equator as you claim, they would be pulled straight up and could not go up the supposed hill.

            If I spin a wet tennis ball all of the water goes straight out at a 90 degree angle from the axis. Not out in all directions as you are proposing.

            I’m not sure if you don’t know what you are talking about or if you are just trying to intentionally mislead people but either way you are wrong.

            I don’t have any spin but if I did, from my latitude I would be being pulled out away from the earth at an angle 90 degrees from the axis, not straight up. This means that I would be being pulled in a southerly/upward direction from my point of view.

            The only place on earth that you would be pulled straight up (from your perspective) would be the equator. This is pretty simple stuff really.

            • LifeIs

              The case is, YOU don’t know what I’m talking about.

              I did NOT claim that ships are pulled toward the equator. I said they are moving “uphill” as they move toward the equator.

              The entire earth is spinning, except for the poles. There is centrifugal force for all of us. The amount of it depends on our speed, which depends on our latitude.

              I said nothing about tennis balls and water.

              You can pick any source you like for the equatorial bulge, which was first measured indirectly in the 1600s by Jean Richer.

              Measured indirectly another way in the 1700s by P.L.M de Maupertius.

              And as I said, land surveyors in modern times measure with accuracy in fractions of inches. They would notice if the 13 miles or so of bulge wasn’t there.

              And so would GPS navigation. Those are direct measurements.

              Pictures from orbit? The earth is 7,926 miles in diameter at the equator. You don’t notice the 26 and a half mile bulge. (13+ miles on each side) Because it’s too small.

            • Mongoose

              I know exactly what you are talking about. It just doesn’t make any sense is all.

              You claimed that centrifugal force overcomes gravity and allows ships and rivers to travel uphill towards the equator. In fact, these are your exact words “The energy that lifts rivers, currents, winds, ships, and planes, is the centrifugal force of the Earth’s spin.” all the while ignoring that this force has not and can not be measured.

              You just say keep saying that the earth is spinning and surveyors bla bla bla with no specifics for me to rebut just an indirect observation (guess) from the 1600′s from another rich white guy (freemason? or fictional character?) who no one knows anything about except that he claimed his pendulum proved a bulge because they are all going to come from the same lying sources that can be easily discredited.

              You can be a parrot for the freemasons at nasa if you like, I will continue to think for myself and make decisions and draw conclusions based on the provable and observable evidence and known facts. (as opposed to mathematical speculations that are built upon the foundations of other mathematical speculations)

              The truth is that whenever someone points out a flaw in their fake globe story they have to tweak it in order for it to continue fooling people.

              That’s why at some point they said it had a bulge in the middle because someone pointed out that if it is spinning as they claim centrifugal force should cause this affect and yet all of their fake photos show a perfect geometrical circle for not just the earth but all of the supposedly spinning planets and the sun even which isn’t even made of a solid mass and yet has no observable bulge.

              Then when it was proven beyond a doubt that the southern hemisphere is indeed larger than the northern hemisphere (which it is because the earth is flat) they again had to tweak their fake model and say it is a pear.

              You of course ignore the simple facts and physics of it because you are either a religious fool or a straight up shill.

              From what I have seen you appear to have been assigned to shill the flat earth evidence and confuse/mislead the people who are suffering from confirmation bias.

              In true shill fashion you set up your strawman “I said nothing about tennis balls and water.” so that you can tear it down. Perhaps you should call your supervisor and see if he can do any better because you are not very good at it.

              Please use more caps locks next time, it makes your nonsense seem more authoritative.

              Ok, I’m bored now. Next.

            • Mongoose

              I should add that surveyors would notice it if it were there but they don’t because it is not

              and also a 26 mile bulge would be measurable in a photo even if difficult to see with the naked eye but even on computer software no such bulge can be detected hence the term perfect sphere.

              and as I have already stated the official narrative form nasa now is that it is a pear shape so everything you are stating is disproven by the very establishment that you are attempting to defend but somehow are in disagreement with.

            • LifeIs

              The “somebody” who first suggested there could be an equatorial bulge was Isaac Newton.

              You CAN measure the centrifugal force, using the OCEAN as your instrument. The fact that sea level is more than 13 miles higher, at the equator, proves the water is being elevated by the great force of the Earth’s spin.

              But here is something more. Satellites, to maintain their proper orbits, must know exactly where they are. And the differences in gravity disturb their orbits.

              And here is a report of a 2013 study that mapped the gravitational field of the Earth, using satellite data.

              https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24068-gravity-map-reveals-earths-extremes/

              Tennis balls and water was your topic. And what you said about them made no sense.

              I see a pile of ad hominem and paranoid insults, and a complete surrender on facts, from you.

            • Mongoose

              You are good at repeating hearsay. Do you have anything that is not hearsay?. You use “the freemasons said so” in order to prove what the freemasons said. It would not be allowed in a court to sway a judge and I won’t allow it to sway me either.

              Are you a freemason?

              Look, the midnight arctic sun is an observation that can and has been made that disproves the globe. End of story. The globe is disproven. It is disproven by observations that anyone can make. We don’t have to rely on rich white guys in aprons for our information.

              So you are wasting your time. This article was not intended as flat earth proofs but to inform others of some bunk disinfo arguments that have been planted.

              Oh, and I do apologize if you are not a shill, I usually try to take it easy on the fools.

          • Mongoose

            If you don’t understand the physics of centrifugal force and the tennis ball analogy then you really shouldn’t be debating this topic.

      • Mongoose

        So, you want me to believe that there is a centrifugal force strong enough to pull a cargo ship up hill but it is not strong enough to make a person a little off balance or have to lean a little bit in order to compensate.

        You do realize that that is ridiculous don’t you?

        • RAINCAT

          haha.. but Mongoose, surely you’ve noticed that everyone leans one way or another depending upon where they stand.

          Of course, everything seems skewed to me.

          • Mongoose

            Haha, nice. :lol:

    • Knarlydawg

      I copied my comment from one of your other flat earth articles so that’s why it doesn’t exactly match this article, however, the links below are valuable for those who are honestly investigating this subject with no agenda to energize and drive forward.

      Sorry Mongoose, your links provide very little useful data to base any conclusions on. You provide only your opinion and no hard data that can be used to duplicate and conclude much of anything. After honestly examining the material below and your links (as well as many, many other pro-flat earth vids and material), I’m more convinced that we live on a globe. End of debate for me. I will still follow this debate simply to observe where it goes and what fruit it produces.

      It is becoming much clearer to me that this whole debate is the classic Luciferian divide and concur MO.

      I counter your links with the following :

      https://youtu.be/Vz4mEq2bX_o

      https://youtu.be/lx3vfhWSS_Q

      http://www.wired.com/2011/06/how-to-estimate-the-radius-of-the-earth-with-a-lake/

      http://geodesy.unr.edu/

      http://www.gim-international.com/content/article/what-is-geodesy

      http://www.gim-international.com/content/article/what-is-geodesy

      http://puetzfeld.org/relgeo2016.html

      http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/16749847

      http://geographiclib.sourceforge.net/html/GeodSolve.1.html

      https://njgin.state.nj.us/oit/gis/NJ_NJGINExplorer/docs/Kozlowski_SPCS_&_GIS.PDF

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