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A Letter from Hobby Lobby Stores CEO

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By David Green, the founder and CEO of Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc.

When my family and I started our company 40 years ago, we were working out of a garage on a $600 bank loan, assembling miniature picture frames. Our first retail store wasn’t much bigger than most people’s living rooms, but we had faith that we would succeed if we lived and worked according to God’s word. From there, Hobby Lobby has become one of the nation’s largest arts and crafts retailers, with more than 500 locations in 41 states. Our children grew up into fine business leaders, and today we run Hobby Lobby together, as a family.

We’re Christians, and we run our business on Christian principles. I’ve always said that the first two goals of our business are (1) to run our business in harmony with God’s laws, and (2) to focus on people more than money. And that’s what we’ve tried to do. We close early so our employees can see their families at night. We keep our stores closed on Sundays, one of the week’s biggest shopping days, so that our workers and their families can enjoy a day of rest. We believe that it is by God’s grace that Hobby Lobby has endured, and he has blessed us and our employees. We’ve not only added jobs in a weak economy, we’ve raised wages for the past four years in a row. Our full-time employees start at 80% above minimum wage.

But now, our government threatens to change all of that. A new government health care mandate says that our family business MUST provide what I believe are abortion-causing drugs as part of our health insurance. Being Christians, we don’t pay for drugs that might cause abortions, which means that we don’t cover emergency contraception, the morning-after pill or the week-after pill. We believe doing so might end a life after the moment of conception, something that is contrary to our most important beliefs. It goes against the Biblical principles on which we have run this company since day one. If we refuse to comply, we could face $1.3 million PER DAY in government fines.

Our government threatens to fine job creators in a bad economy. Our government threatens to fine a company that’s raised wages four years running. Our government threatens to fine a family for running it’s business according to it’s beliefs. It’s not right. I know people will say we ought to follow the rules; that it’s the same for everybody. But that’s not true. The government has exempted thousands of companies from this mandate, for reasons of convenience or cost. But it won’t exempt them for reasons of religious belief.

So, Hobby Lobby and my family are forced to make a choice. With great reluctance, we filed a lawsuit today, represented by the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, asking a federal court to stop this mandate before it hurts our business. We don’t like to go running into court, but we no longer have a choice. We believe people are more important than the bottom line and that honoring God is more important than turning a profit.

My family has lived the American dream. We want to continue growing our company and providing great jobs for thousands of employees, but the government is going to make that much more difficult. The government is forcing us to choose between following our faith and following the law. I say that’s a choice no American and no American business should have to make.
The government cannot force you to follow laws that go against your fundamental religious belief. They have exempted thousands of companies but will not except Christian organizations including the Catholic church.

Since you will not see this covered in any of the liberal media, pass this on to all your contacts.


David Green, CEO and Founder of Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc.


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    • Justadude

      It’s funny how even God gives us free will with our bodies, but Christians disagree.

      • Paul Muad\\\\\\\'Dib

        Just out of curiosity — who told you, or where is it written, that ‘God’ gave you free will with anything?

        And no, I’m not a Christian.

        • Justreplying

          Uh, the Bible!? :idea:

        • Paul Muad\\\\\\\'Dib

          Splendid. Chapter and verse please?

          I’ll be here waiting. Take your time.

        • ProdigalSevenful

          Book of Gensis- Adam and Eve
          Revelations 22:17
          John 3:16,17

        • Jonnie1102

          LOL burn!!!

        • Paul Muad\\\\\\\'Dib

          ProdigalSevenful wrote:

          Book of Gensis- Adam and Eve
          Revelations 22:17
          John 3:16,17

          What on Earth do any of these verses have to do with free will? What will be, has been from the beginning. This is the exact opposite of free will. There is NO MESSAGE of free will in the Bible. Free will is an invention of theology and philosophy.

        • Jonnie1102

          Bible says eve ate fruit from the tree of knowledge….because she had free will….Who cares anyways… way to prove free will or not. Did I write this out of free will or was it already mapped out for me to do. That’s a philosophical debate like is the chair really there or are we a clean slate ect…why is everyone always nitpicking each other? Validation? For a feeling that you matter? Convert all beliefs to what you believe in or don’t believe in. Seriously be the way you are with “normal” people you’d get thumped.

        • Paul Muad\\\\\\\'Dib

          Johnnie1102 wrote:

          “Seriously be the way you are with “normal” people you’d get thumped.”

          You mean like where you told me to “burn” above? Was there something you wished to add to that?

        • Jonnie1102

          OMG your a dork paul :twisted:

        • Gojiroiscoming

          The Book of Job is all about free will and how Job exercised it to glorify God.

        • Paul Muad\\\\\\\'Dib


          Romans 8:29-30

          For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate, to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
          Moreover whom He did predestinate, them He also called: And whom He called, them also He justified, them He also glorified

          This completely rules out free will.

          Ephesians 1:4-5

          According as He hath chosen us in Him BEFORE THE FOUNDATIN OF THE WORLD, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:
          Having PREDESTINATED us unto the adoption of children by Yehoshua Messiah to Himself, according to the great pleasure of His will…

          This completely rules out free will.

          We seem to have CHOICE brothers and sisters. Job had choice. Even Pharaoh had choice. Choice is influenced by many factors outside of ourselves. There is no such thing as free will. The Bible is very clear about this. We have a certain control over our actions, but what we do we were always going to do. The end is known, even from the beginning.

        • Mayhem

          @Paul Maud….

          I think Johnny meant you were gonna burn justreplying a new one and Johnny couldn’t wait too.

          Mate you can be very sanctimonious. :razz:

        • Paul Muad\\\\\\\'Dib

          Middle-aged-Mayhem wrote:

          “Mate you can be very sanctimonious.”

          Other than my intention, Mr. Mayhem. When writing about the things of the Scriptures, a certain modicum of respect is in order. Also, because there is much to be written, my attempts at brevity might make me come across as curt and stuffy. Again, this is not my intention.

          When folks post comments about the Scriptures which I believe to be out of order, I try to show from the Book a version I believe to be more in keeping with the intended theme of the Bible, and its intended message. I do this while stressing that my personal opinion is of no use to anyone, and I therefore try to bring verses from the Book in order to advocate for my contentions. This is not exactly light-hearted subject material.

          You may note the bevy of insults the commenter in question has already succeeded in lobbing into my court; and this despite very few words actually communicated. I have no interest in participating in conversation with anyone who feels the need to pepper their commentary with personal insults. Perhaps you would enjoy speaking with him. Feel free.

        • Mayhem

          That’s all you got from my post? Paul Muad?

          “Blah blah blah… Mate you can be very sanctimonious”

          I can’t say that I have read all of the back and forth between you two but I felt there was a chance you misinterpreted one of his earliest posts and therefore Johnnie’s subsequent posts lost something due to that. What did I miss?

          I haven’t done enough study on the matter of belief but the more I read from you the more I understand why all the FUNDIE RELIGION’S promise me I’m going straight to hell to burn forever.

          I argue loud that I believe the Bible is misused and misinterpreted by main stream religion.

        • Jonnie1102

          Thank you Middle aged. Paul….my opinion is that you come across as belittling to people you disagree with. Instead of us finding a common ground you attack. Maybe I’m weak but that put me on the defense. I did not wish for you to burn. I meant someone called you out on your statement. It’s an expression used since the early 80′s. I wish you no ill will just think you come off as intolerant to those who choose to debate or disagree with you. Maybe I’m wrong and way out there but perhaps think about how you come across and you’ll find a more enjoyable debate. As for the people at this site agreeing with you or taking some comments down I could really care less. If you have not noticed yet this site has little much integrity. They allow out right lies as the news in most cases.

        • Paul Muad\\\\\\\'Dib

          Mayhem and Jonnie,

          There really isn’t any point to my commenting here at all, if all I have managed to accomplish is to irritate people. Mayhem – I don’t think, and I’ve never said, that you’ll go to ‘hell’ when you die. The doctrine of eternal damnation is an invention of the Church. Bet you didn’t see THAT coming, did you. Jonnie – I really did think you were telling me to ‘burn’, so please forgive my misreading of your intentions. Let’s forget it ever happened. I’m not here to be a preacher, but I sincerely do love to debate the Scriptures with brothers and sisters because I believe in the message and because I believe that we are in deep trouble, as a world and as people; and I believe the Scriptures hold the answers we are, all of us, looking for.

          My apologies to the board for coming across as poorly as I have. My hope is to counter what I see to be false religious doctrines, using the only viable source of information we have at our disposal to make these choices. The Scriptures are widely misunderstood and misinterpreted. Using only the verses contained within the pages of the Book, I attempt to demonstrate for a more Scripturally valid stance, when I see the opportunity presented. I try to not let my opinion factor into things at all.

          But I’ll also try to keep my ‘sanctimoniousness’ under tighter reigns.

        • Mayhem

          I too could be clearer Paul.

          When I spoke of Christian fundamentalists I did not mean you perhaps my ignorance made it seem that way. In fact I meant any one other than you I meant the main stream church. Also I don’t know Johnnie from a bar of soap and only wanted to ask you to consider that you may have read Johnnie incorrectly. I’m not involved here and am happy to mind my own business in this matter.

          I do wonder if your intent is to inflame sometimes though. It’s in your tone. Is there anything else I can clear up?

        • Paul Muad\\\\\\\'Dib

          HA!!! MOI??? INFLAME!!!!????

          Nope. I think you’ve done your job quite well. For a Kiwi, that is.

          Don’t let it go to your head. Of course, you can’t really help letting it go to your head, on account you all standing upside down all the time. And having toilets that flush with a backwards spin.

          But seriously folks… it is NOT my intention to inflame. The subject matter is combustible enough as it is. There is no way for most folks to debate these issues without becoming bent out of shape, which none of the believers in the Book as supposed to do… ever. But…

          Carry on Mayhem.

        • Mayhem

          What’s a “Toilet”

          Ya cheeky prick. :razz:

        • Paul Muad\\\\\\\'Dib

          Upsidedown I sez.

        • Frank Morrison

          You WILL find out. I was dying of a heart attack and Jesus came to me. Everyone around me knew it too; doctors, nurses, wife. Only at that time, it may be too late. I only hope for your soul that you learn this before its too late.

      • JediTexan

        To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical.

        -Thomas Jefferson

        • Sid

          I abhor the federal government and most of what it does. Still I am forced to pay for their rape of the American public, their interference in our lives without justification, destruction of our economy, and operation of their ruler/serf system that plunders and controls the majority for the benefit of the few (corporate welfare and welfare for the poor).


          jediTaxan what a great quote to have posted for this. Completely relevant and smart. Spot on good sir.

        • Justin Z

          Pity we’re dealing with facts that Mr. Green simply wishes to ignore to comport with his preconceived notion of reality, eh Jedi?

      • mtnheathr

        This isn’t about your free will, this is about making someone who believes that abortion is murder pay for you to kill your child.

        • Paul Muad\\\\\\\'Dib

          You mean someone who KNOWS that abortion is murder. There are no two ways about it.

        • Jonnie1102

          No Paul….Believes it is murder. Murder is a belief of what constitutes murder. The law makes murder laws out of what people believes constitutes murder. Damn….think before you debate fool

        • Paul Muad\\\\\\\'Dib

          Johnnie1102 wrote:

          “No Paul….Believes it is murder.”

          Do you wish to correct the Almighty? Then correct Him. I will believe His word over yours 1000 times out of 1000.

          “Murder is a belief of what constitutes murder.”

          Murder is murder, according to the Commandment of YHWH Elohim.

          “The law makes murder laws out of what people believes constitutes murder.”

          The law of man is not my concern, neither is it anything you are well-versed in.

          “Damn….think before you debate fool”

          I’m not interested in any more insults or invitations to ‘burn’ from you. I won’t be responding to any more of your comments, whether directed to me or otherwise, until you become willing to communicate without insults and disgusting wishes for others to be destroyed. May YHWH have mercy on you.

        • Jonnie1102

          Paul…Burn (as in made you look silly?!?!) Also you sure care to be “right” I’ve noticed not debate.

        • Mayhem

          @Paul Maud….

          I think Johnny meant you were gonna burn justreplying a new one and Johnny couldn’t wait too.

          Mate you can be very sanctimonious. :razz:

        • Paul Muad\\\\\\\'Dib


          I thought you said that already. Are you repeating myself again?

        • Mayhem

          40 minutes apart though.

        • Paul Muad\\\\\\\'Dib

          You mean you MEANT to call me that twice?

          I must be a busy man. See my posting above, for fear of being repetitious repetitious as well as sanctimonious.

        • Jonnie1102

          Paul M- I can’t reply to your posts :) It’s all good and I apologize as well. I’m just a guy with way too much time on my hands recovering from a bad wreck. Sorry for my offensive comments. Debate is so much better in person. Meanings get lost over text and so impersonal. Wish you well

        • Paul Muad\\\\\\\'Dib


          I saw your post at the bottom of the page. See, all we needed was for Mayhem to come over and referee. What kind of wreck were you in? I’ve been in many car and motorcycle crashes (not all my fault – only some) and have always escaped major injury. How badly did you get smacked up? Not too bad I hope.

      • Stan


        After reading this article, that’s what you got out of it…..?

        How pathetic!

        We have the government forcing themselves on Christians and you have Christians praying for everyone’s soul, including the unborn.

      • Anonymous

        Even if that is true, we do not have free will to murder unborn babies.

        • Pateriot

          We have free will to do good or evil in the World. That does not mean that both are acceptable.

      • TurtleCreeWoman

        He gave you freedom to choose, and question things in life. ” If you hear me knock at the door and open it, I shall come in and dine with you and you with me, so that whomever shall believith inz me shall not die but have everlasting life”; Am in the dark so pardon my typeing. This is a quote from Jesus who is also known as God.

        The Creator gave us a choice on living our life for Him or just pick out what you think is best. It does seem in Hobby Lobby’s case they where quite blessed, they shared there blessings with others. They did not say you had to be a Christian to have Sunday off, but that all should have a day of rest. He gave you free will to do as you please, not to have others fund the life you choose.

        Our Country claims by out constitution that We all have the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Science shows that once the egg and sperm are fertilized its a life. You can be charged with murder if you beat a child to death while in the womb.

        It should not be up to the Government to force people to have abortions yet inch by inch they move in that direction with forcing rules such as the one debated here. They also in turn force others to deny there faith and loose the right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

        Free will is yours, taxpayers should not have to foot the bill if your will is faulty. Government has no right to do that to anyone. It contradicts the republic for which it stands, you can disagree but this is just how it is.

        • Paul Muad\\\\\\\'Dib

          “Our Country claims by out constitution that We all have the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.”

          Wrong document TCM — you’re thinking of the Declaration of Independence. But it brings up another good point:

          These supposedly ‘inalienable rights’ with which we are ‘endowed’ by our Creator…

          …where’s THAT in the Bible? Answer — it’s not there. The concept of ‘rights’ is a wholly man-made concept. Our Creator gave us no ‘rights.’ He gives us ‘GIFTS’ of mercy and providence and forgiveness; not because we deserve it but because He is GOOD. We have no rights, just like we have no free will. These are both made up concepts applied to us as coming from the Almighty by the same Freemasons who wrote the US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

          Of course, you always have to be careful when you hear a Freemason taking about “nature’s God.” Your idea and a Freemason’s idea of who ‘God’ is are probably very different things.

        • Justreplying

          Actually, Jesus is the SON of God

        • ProdigalSevenful

          Actually, Paul, if you were half as informed about the Bible as you seem to think you are, you would know that the whole Bible is a contract. The Old Testament is the old covenant God made for Himself between His Holiness and man. The New Testament is the covenant He made between Himself and His Son for man. A contract provides rights.

          Also, since the sacrifice of Christ bought the salvation of man, while including other benefits for man, we, again, have RIGHTS. The Bible talks about how it is not the will of God to subjugate the rights of man.

          You do not know what you are talking about.

        • Paul Muad\\\\\\\'Dib

          ProdigalSevenful wrote:

          “Actually, Paul, if you were half as informed about the Bible as you seem to think you are, you would know that the whole Bible is a contract.”

          Inasmuch as the ‘Covenant’ is written of in the Bible, the Bible speaks of a contract. There are no ‘rights’ conveyed to the members of the Body who come under Covenant with YHWH. Rights, even according to the Freemasonic Declaration of Independence, are ‘inalienable’ – meaning incapable of being surrendered or transferred. Does that sound to you like the Covenant in the Bible; that no matter what you do, your ‘rights’ cannot be taken from you?

          No. There are no rights conveyed to the keepers of the Covenant. There is only the promise and the fulfillment of that promise. There is the blessing and there is the curse. There are no rights. There never were any rights. ‘Rights’ exist only in Freemasonic Law. Rights do not exist in Law of YHWH.

          “The Old Testament is the old covenant God made for Himself between His Holiness and man.”

          I think I can agree with you on that.

          “The New Testament is the covenant He made between Himself and His Son for man.”

          Again, I think we can agree – depending upon your definition of the terms in the statement, of course.

          “A contract provides rights.”

          A contract usually provides conditional provisions – not rights. A contract usually provides privileges. Can men contract for rights? Is there a contract which can protect rights? Do the Constitution and the Declaration protect anyone’s ‘rights’?

          “Also, since the sacrifice of Christ bought the salvation of man, while including other benefits for man, we, again, have RIGHTS.”

          Do you subscribe to the false ‘once-saved-always-saved’ theology? It sounds as though you might. The Sacrifice of Messiah provided the OPPORTUNITY for men to avail themselves of the Grace, the Forgiveness, and the Salvation of YHWH Elohim Most High. We have no ‘rights.’ Who told you your salvation is guaranteed? Your salvation is conditional; contingent upon you fulfilling your portion of the requirements in the covenant.

          “The Bible talks about how it is not the will of God to subjugate the rights of man.”

          Show me where the Bible says this, please.

          “You do not know what you are talking about.”

          Your opinion is duly noted, and is worth what it is worth. Let the record show what it shows.

      • John_E

        So what if they disagree? Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. However, in this case, the government is forcing them to PAY for something they disagree with. Bit of a difference between free speech & a hand in your pocket.

      • Pot Meets Kettle

        Typical Liberal tactic: Deflect from the conversation.
        The man has a business he has run according to certain principles he holds dear. Principles that have guided him to success. And in a manner that has been legal before ACA/Obamacare was shoved down the throats of the American people on a Christmas Eve without a single vote from the loyal opposition.

        Now he is being forced to change the way his business runs in a way that conflicts with his principles.

        And as a result, he will expend money that would probably have gone to raises and expansion of his business on lawyers and legal costs.

        I’m a Libertarian atheist (if I need a label) and I firmly believe that he should have a right to run his business in accordance with his principles as he has for years. He’s not running drugs…just crafts.

        I chose a different way out. I’m closing my business effective Dec 15. And not for religious reasons but because it is no longer worth maintaining in the environment I see next year and following. Yes, 10 people will become unemployed. And will be no longer be contributing to the government at my expense.

        The various governments (fed, state, local) will no longer be getting any money directly from my business…$85k approximately.

        I wish Mr Green and his family the best and hope things resolve quickly so that he can get back to business.

      • Pateriot

        God allows you to murder your neighbor but I take exception to that as well!!!

    • Puffnstuff

      Do what you want with yourself but don’t force another to pay for your mistakes.

    • Mayhem

      I’d like people to know that this is only the latest and most insidious tactic to mass medicate nearly everyone to death.

      I’d like to add. Apart from showing my obvious bias I urge everyone to learn everything about the diabolically mad world of vaccinations. There are reams of opinions devoted to outing the coercion tactics employed by BIG PHARMA and it is evil incarnate.

      Keep fighting the good fight.

      • jamesr

        You are right on,I am 75 and growing up as a kid I can’t remember any of the kids I ran around with being allergic to peanuts,being obese,ear infections and so on.I remember one kid that was born with down syndrome back then it was called a change of life baby(the mother was in her late 40s.We have more vaccines for more disease the I could ever recall.This is all driven by big pharmaceutical companies and the medical profession.They have products on the market today that the side affects are worse than the disease.

    • Marshal de Saxe

      No, Justadope…it’s funny that lefties want us to be free of God, but it’s ok for the government to tell us what to do…or be fined.

    • Anonymous

      If you have a miscarriage and loose your child it is tragic and said.

      But if you kill the child yourself with an abortion it’s OK.

      I don’t get it.

      • Mayhem

        No it’s just condoned. It’s still tragic and sad. Get it?

        • Joerg Klaemt

          Morgentaler and Company just another Zionist,who does not care, as long it is not a Jewish Child. Read the “Talmud” something they can do to us, but not to themselves.

      • Pateriot

        More mind-bogglng than that… if someone murdered a woman who is pregnant they would be charged with two murders. One for the Woman and one for the unborn baby. As if the Mother’s intent was what gave the child it’s humanity. Even then, if she was on her way to have an abortion when she was murdered, the murderer would still be charged with two murders. This makes sense only in the minds of mindless Liberals!!!

        • Mayhem

          Witness the insanity. Talk about having your cake and eating it too.

    • River

      My dear brother. I appreciate you even taking the stance to consider your options and the weight it must be on you but knowing our time here is temporal and then eternal I think it is not too difficult a decision. Only if God through His Holy Spirit impresses upon you the truth of what follows can I hope you will have ears to hear and eyes to see.

      Although, in the past, you likely have thought you were honoring God by honoring “Sunday” in giving your family and employees a day of rest I want to implore upon you the need to search your heart to discern the truth that Sunday is NOT God’s Sabbath; it never has been nor will it ever be and that to honor Sunday is to honor Sun worship and not to honor Son worship.

      My words are not here to convince you of the importance of your understanding of this for that is beyond my capability but not beyond God’s. If you truly seek God’s will in your life, at this crucial time, then you know what you need to do to correctly discern the word of truth. I am confident that He who began a good work in you will complete that which He has begun.


      • Mayhem

        They never said the workers had to go to church on their day off. They mentioned family and rest did they not?

        You are projecting.

      • Dude999

        Absolutely, Sunday is the Pagan day of Worship. The bible is clear that the Sabaath is on Fri sundown to Sat sundown. Ergo Friday. And, it will never change as long as the earth remains. As Jesus said the traditions of men make the word of G-d of no effect. People don’t get how important the Sabbath is , the real Sabbath.

        • Paul Muad\\\\\\\'Dib

          “The bible is clear that the Sabaath is on Fri sundown to Sat sundown.”

          Really? I wonder if you could point to a verse or verses which show us that sundown on Friday is the beginning of the Sabbath.

          The Sabbath is on the seventh day. The Scriptural day begins at sunrise and ends at sundown. The night is not part of the day.

          The Scriptural Calendar is not the Gregorian Calendar. Therefore, it is a mistake to assume that ‘Saturday’ has any connection at all with the Scriptural seventh day. The Scriptural Calendar is a 12 month heptadic (meaning based on sevens) calendar, AND IS NOT the lunar calendar currently being employed by the Jewish rabbis in Jerusalem.

          Sunday is most certainly NOT the Scripturally commanded day of worship, but the same can almost certainly be said for Saturday. YHWH’s Sabbath will only be found once we re-learn how to understand His Calendar.

      • FromHolland

        I am not sure how you guys manage to mix up all religions and come up with this kind of explanations. Probably history books, the bible, thora and the rest are all different, here in Europe.

        Sabbath is a Jewish day of honoring JWHW. Christians honor the Sunday because it was the day Jesus resurrected from death. It was the day of a new beginning.

        I am not sure if you ever read the Thora, but the God described in there is a different one the Christians put their faith in. Honoring Sabbath is honoring a religion that is against Christianity as it worships a religion that denies the role Jesus plays in Christianity.

        • MIUSA

          The Sabbath was instituted at creation. As God’s people the Jews were required to follow God’s laws including the Sabbath. Jesus walked on this earth and kept the Sabbath as well. He died and rose again. If the Sabbath had been changed, He would have made that clear to his followers after His resurrection since the Law had been written in granite with God’s own finger.
          There is not one text in the Bible stating that the Sabbath was changed. Man changed it for his own purposes. Christians – true followers of Christ, should be keeping the Sabbath holy still today.
          I realize that many Christian say they keep Sunday to honor Christ’s resurrection, but this is not from the Holy Scriptures.

        • Paul Muad\\\\\\\'Dib

          FromHolland wrote:

          “Honoring Sabbath is honoring a religion that is against Christianity as it worships a religion that denies the role Jesus plays in Christianity.”

          ‘Honoring’ (guarding, keeping, observing) the Sabbath has nothing to do with ANY religion. Judaism is a religion. Christianity is a religion. The Commandments, Ordinances and Statutes of YHWH Elohim Most High have nothing to do with religion. What is in the Bible is not religion; it is the Way, the Truth and the Life.

          To suggest that the Elohim of the Old Testament is Someone other than the Elohim of the New Testament is completely and demonstrably untrue.

        • MIUSA

          Paul, The Sabbath was instituted by God, at creation, before there were any religions, cultures, nations, or Jews. He blessed it and sanctified it. He rested from His work on that day. So how is keeping it reverant against Christianity? There are Christians in the truest sense that follow Christ and reverence the Sabbath. They are not mutually exclusive but rather the opposite!

        • Paul Muad\\\\\\\'Dib


          The very term ‘Christ’ is problematic (for it is pagan) and therefore the term ‘Christians’ is as well. The brothers and sisters who seek to follow Messiah Yehoshua, but call Him ‘Jesus Christ’ and themselves ‘Christians’, only do so out of a misapplication of pagan terms and names.

          That said, if a ‘Christian’ attempts to observe the seventh day Sabbath according to the instruction of the Almighty, this is precisely what they SHOULD be doing. We are ALL the created children of the Most High. The Sabbath WAS instituted by YHWH Elohim at the beginning of this age; the Creation of THIS Heaven and THIS Earth. (It is likely that His Sabbath existed even prior to that.)

          So we should all observe His Sabbath. And if brothers and sisters who call themselves Christian still wish to do so even after they have become familiar with the origin of that term, then so be it. We are all still brethren. But Messiah did not come to Earth to begin a religion. He came to fulfill the Promise. He has done so. We await our judgment and our completion.

          ‘Judaism’ is a religion. ‘Christianity’ is a religion. There is no religion of YHWH: There is only the Way of Messiah Yehoshua. Messiah said that we are to follow His Commandments. We are to follow His Law – His Instructions. This means that the Law (the Torah) is still in force. The Apostle Paul NEVER SAID that the Law was abrogated by Messiah. In fact, the Apostle Paul IS NOT PERMITTED to say that. Christianity teaches that the Law has been fulfilled and is no longer in force. Christianity is wrong. This is yet another reason why I say that the terms applied and the teachings associated with Christianity are problematic (which is a major understatement).

    • Hermodr

      Man, where’s pete santilli complaining about how much more money a.j. is making than him?

    • GK

      No one is forcing you to use birth control. Letting others use birth control has no bearing on your morals, and ultimately it comes out of their pockets, not yours, since you’ll be passing the cost on to them.

      • Mayhem

        @ Hermodr. If I may use another posters idea.

        JediTexan wrote.

        “To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical.

        -Thomas Jefferson”

        and whats the old saying about Evil only needing good people to do nothing to triumph?

    • anonymous

      It’s all so very sad for me to constantly be reminded of the moralistic decline of society in general today. I don’t believe the abortion industry should be included in something called “health” care. It’s just a perpetuation of their depopulation agenda anyway. Although I am personally against killing and murder, legalized or not, I think something along these lines should be something a person decides themselves and pays for themselves and has a doctor who doesn’t have a problem performing such a procedure. That is free choice and in the end, whether these people believe in God or not, they will most definitely find out if they were right or wrong. But in the meantime, the government is overstepping its bounds and has no business forcing people to pay to kill people. But I did have a thought, even paying taxes to fund a military army that goes out murdering people is wrong too. It’s such a sick sick world and I am sick to death of this sex culture and having scantily clad stars, etc shove their privates in my eyesight. So glad I don’t have a TV anymore.

    • Wonkadelica

      What a total pile of crap! The vast majority of Hobby Lobotomy’s products are made in China. Is communism a Cristian value? You bet, it is the same political structure as the Church, and corporations too.

      Where is their objection to the forced abortions of their subcontractors in China? Human rights is not one of their corporate values. Corporations have no religious freedom to impose their religious values on employees. :twisted:

      • Cap-Z-ro

        I will remain neutral…until Pete Santilli tells me what to think.

        • Mayhem


      • Random

        Well said.

    • In God I Trust

      I choose to be a Christian, I choose to believe the Bible and I choose to believe that abortion is wrong. However, as a Christian, based on my Biblical beliefs, I do not have the right to judge others. Everyone has a right to believe the way they want to believe – our fore fathers fought and died so that we could choose to believe the way we want to and our armed forces are still fighting to keep the dictorial forms of government from taking over our country. We should not judge someone for having different beliefs than ours, nor, should we force our opinions or beliefs on anyone else. We all have to take responsibility for our own actions and the consequences that they may bring. When it is all said and done – I don’t answer for your life, nor you for mine. We will all answer for our own lives, the choices we made, right or wrong. As for the government mandating how employers should manage their healthcare programs? I think it is wrong. I do not get to tell my company what they should or should not cover in their programs and I work there. Why should the government have the right to tell them what choices they have to make. My personal opinion is that employers shouldn’t be forced to provide a health plan at all if they choose not to. Some smaller companies cannot afford to do so and I worked for one of those several years ago. I knew going into the job that I would have no health coverage. I could have chosen to not work there and find another place to work, but the job was the stepping stone to a bigger picture in my life at the time and so I chose to work there. I now have heath insurance – is it the best, no it isn’t, but my company makes those decisions, not I and I can choose to work there or move on. I hope that Hobby Lobby wins their lawsuit – the government didn’t start their business and have no right to end it based on what they believe versus what the owners believe. I hope that other business will have the courage to do the same. Enough is enough!

      • Avey Owyns

        The Bible DOES provide us a basis for judging. Christ said: You shall know them by their fruit. James 2 expresses the same sentiment!

        Abortion is wrong and it is murder; therefore, those who commit the sin of murder, are immoral.

        Everyone does NOT have the right to believe what they want to believe if it infringes upon the rights of others. If you believe that abortion is wrong, it is because you believe that the unborn are persons – and killing persons is WRONG. A woman who believes that abortion is amoral or immoral, and expresses that belief through the murder of her own offspring is not simply ‘believing what she wants to.’

        “We should not judge someone for having different beliefs than ours…”

        Yes, we should! When I say: “I am right,” I’m also saying: “You are wrong,” and that’s passing judgement!

        “We all have to take responsibility for our own actions…”

        …except women who get pregnant out of wedlock? They can just abort their babies unchallenged??

        “When it’s all said and done, I don’t answer for your life, nor you for mine…”

        …but I do answer for my silence when prompted by the world to take a stand against evil, which you are saying is what Christians should not do.

        It’s one thing for you to believe that no one should pass judgement on anyone else, it’s another to then turn around and judge your fellow Christians for following the Bible.

        • aggiewahine07

          Perfectly said, Avey Owyns! Thank you!

        • chay92

          The 10 commandments also say it’s a sin to commit adultery and yet people have affairs, not to use the Lord’s name in vain, daily without any retribution from our government. We should not covet thy neighbor’s house, how many churches are out there at this time trying to be the biggest/best “HOUSE OF THE LORD” to gain membership. If we want to pick apart the bible then pick apart the bible, but not just the things that you feel are “really wrong”. I am Catholic, I don’t believe abortion is right, but I also believe as a Christian I should not judge anyone else for their acts. We either need to combine church and state or leave it separated, not pick and chose what offends someone the most.

          And, I maybe crazy and completely un-American, but I don’t see any problem with helping those who need help. My tax dollars are going to pay for their healthcare with or without Obamacare.

          I am sure Mr. Green has no issues with charging me a 300% markup on that silk flower that some 5 yr old in a 3rd world country was forced to make for pennies on the dollar.

        • chay92

          The 10 commandments also say it’s a sin to commit adultery and yet people have affairs, not to use the Lord’s name in vain, daily without any retribution from our government. We should not covet thy neighbor’s house, how many churches are out there at this time trying to be the biggest/best “HOUSE OF THE LORD” to gain membership. If we want to pick apart the bible then pick apart the bible, but not just the things that you feel are “really wrong”. I am Catholic, I don’t believe abortion is right, but I also believe as a Christian I should not judge anyone else for their acts. We either need to combine church and state or leave it separated, not pick and chose what offends someone the most.

          And, I maybe crazy and completely un-American, but I don’t see any problem with helping those who need help. My tax dollars are going to pay for their healthcare with or without Obamacare.

          I am sure Mr. Green has no issues with charging me a 300% markup on that silk flower that some 5 yr old in a 3rd world country was forced to make for pennies on the dollar.

          I feel I must also add, I have known a few people who were miserably employed by HL and they made no where close to 80% above min. wage, infact, they would all be some of the individuals who would benefit from OCare. It’s funny how people want to stand on their moral grounds, but lie while doing so.

          That’s it, no more HL for me!

    • Anonymous

      Don’t count on the ‘courts’ to help you here. They wear black robes for a reason. The righteous wear white robes. These are satan’s ministers and they work for satan. They have already established that they are on the side of this goverrnment which is the ENEMY OF GOD because of their previous ungodly and unconstitutional rulings regarding abortion (murder), taxes (theft), and the destruction of marriage (adultery), all of which VIOLATE the commandments of God. Therefore, the ONLY way out of this mess is either the return of Christ himself, or another bloody revolution. I pray for the first option, but there will be much blood either way.

    • Dude999

      I am about as pro life as they come. When a man and woman decide to have a baby and pray for it and G-d answers their prayer. It is a baby before conception, the soul is created. Any forced termination is murder. And, I think Obama’s health mandate is aggregious to these people. The govt should not force people to do things against there morals.

      However, H.L. are radicals that give Christians a bad name. Seriously, if a employee is raped they aren’t going to provide the day after pill? Or if a woman has endometriosis or even migraines and hormone therapy would help her they wouldn’t agree with her it is o.k. to take hormone therapy. That a couple can’t use hormone therapy to plan there family.

      I personally would throw the switch to fry abortion most abortion providers. They are murderers plain and simple. But, until the baby has emplanted in the uterus , for a unwanted baby, iit isn’t a baby. If it was planned it is a baby the minute the parents prayed for it. H.L. is endorsing a position as insane and illogical as the church that can’t be named.

      Respect there right to a law suit and hope they win. But, they are nuts, radicals, … Just saying ….

      • Mayhem

        What are you on about?

        @Dude999 ……. If I’m ever raped I would not turn to my employer for help other than sympathy and understanding.

        Have I misunderstood you?

    • Patriot

      God bless their lawsuit.
      If Obama can madate whatever he wishes, it could ruin all Christians or anyone he wishes to.
      What next, requiring businesses to pay for dildos & sex-toys for gays, lesbians & perverts?
      Lemme guess — a special boy-sized sex-toy or doll for pedophiles?

    • Mongoose

      Wedge issue, proclaiming it to be for Christian beliefs. Where is the letter complaining that their tax dollars go to wars that kill innocent people? Exaaaaactly….

      Wedge issues from ‘fake’ Christians to show “outrage”…..I see…

    • barb patton

      Thank you Hobby Lobby for adhering to your principles and living according to God’s word. I have always supported Hobby Lobby and will continue so to do.

      • Homesteading Mom

        Yay Hobby Lobby!!! I stand with them as well.

    • Calvinist

      Consider this story shared (I got it on Facebook) and Hobby Lobby’s family added to my prayer list. May God grant you success as you stand for what is right.

    • HeyThink3

      You know who else run’s their business based on religious beliefs…. Muslims…. It’s part of Sharia Law…. Separation of church and state was put in place in this country for a reason!

      • Anonymous


    • DMCrain

      I will be praying for you and your company!! This is so wrong to be forced to do something that is against my/your beliefs. I will also be praying for the courts as well. Don’t give up, keep on fighting, God will prevail!!!!

    • wvbowhunter

      Abortion is plain outright murder. If this guy believes that birth control drugs are a violation of his religous belifs then he should not be forced to provide them by the govt. We should not have a LAW so to speak, forcing us to accept things we do not believe in when it comes to religious values. Personnaly, I do belive God has given us free will over our bodies, if you are responsible enough to have sex, then you might become a father or mother. People who have abortions aside from rape and the life of the mother, do so because they refuse to accept responibility for their actions. Seems like in America today, people are getting good at dodging responsibility, we have created a generation that wants everything handed to them. A sad reality they will face and are forced to accept RESPONSIBILITY for their actions, ecpecially when they wake up one day and find out we are enslaved in a tyrannical govt. OOPS, we already are.

    • Pix

      “Being Christians, we don’t pay for drugs that might cause abortions”

      LIAR. Christians for c1’600 years were pro abortion. So it’s nothing but sour grapes because you were legalised out of performing them. Only qualified medical people can perfom them these days.

      Numbers 5:11-31 The Test for an Unfaithful Wife

      11 Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[a] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

      16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

      “‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”

      23 “‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[c] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.

      29 “‘This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband, 30 or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the Lord and is to apply this entire law to her. 31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin.’”

      • Pix

        Numbers 5.22 “May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

        • BEEF SUPREME

          And here is a literal translation of that verse:

          Young’s Literal Translation

          Numbers 5:22

          and these waters which cause the curse have gone into thy bowels, to cause the belly to swell, and the thigh to fall; and the woman hath said, Amen, Amen.

          THERE IS NOTHING about any miscarriage in ANY of the extant Hebrew manuscripts. Nice try Pix. Whatever version of the word you are quoting from might explain some of your wildly off-the-mark thoughts and beliefs about the Way, the Truth and the Life.

          As usual, none of what you say has any basis in reality or in fact.

          As usual.

      • Mayhem

        That’s a bit of a stretch isn’t it?

        I read through that and I hope not to offend people when I say it sounded like a silly ritual involving a few beads and a whole lot of faith.

        Wasn’t too compelling. What did I miss?

        Oh and calling that poster a liar? He couldn’t just be wrong?

    • Anonymous

      Amazing. Americans are happy to kill millions of people, but balk at the idea of healthcare which doesn’t require you to pay by credit card if you get knocked down by a truck and you’re poor.

    • 1up

      poor red state nut jobs worship at the alter of the rich elite as long as they say lord jesus the red-state sheeple follow along to their demise ,,,will the sheeple ever wake up??

    • Melissa

      I decide to shop at Micheals. Birth Control should not be a company or government choice. It Is the choice of the women and her doctor. To stand behind your religion is cheap.

      • Jonnie1102

        What about the father? GF of mine back in the day got one and told me after….I would have liked to at least discuss it.

      • jp

        I agree Melissa. Whether everyone agrees on the use of birth control or the morning after pill, this is the legal choice for the women to make about her body. It is a health care issue.

        • Jonnie1102

          Glad your mother didn’t choose to abort you our a sibling?

    • Anonymous

      . “Being Christians, we don’t pay for drugs that might cause abortions,”


    • Gojiroiscoming

      So where is his lawsuit against the federal government for using their taxes on death and destruction in the military? God clearly said “Thou shalt not kill.”

      Are his employees as convicted about birth control as he is? Is he not mandating his personal beliefs on every single one of this employees? Is he not in effect causing financial hardship for his employees by forcing them to buy birth control at rates far above what people with insurance pay?

      Finally, the coverage is being covered by the insurance company, because it only adds up to 0.5% of the total premium cost per year for every customer. So Hobby Lobby isnt directly paying for any kind of birth control, and since the individual who is covered makes the decision whether or not they use the birth control, they are not violating their religious beliefs. God, in Genesis, granted free will to all men. It was his first gift to humanity after life. That means he wants you to choose for yourself, even if he may not condone the choices you make.

      In the end, one man is enforcing his own beliefs on 300 of his employees. The choice on whether they want to use birth control is their own.

    • peppersmom

      May God Bless you for your endeavors to manage your business and lives according to Gods will. Our country and world are continuing to demoralize us in every way they can. Our prayers are with your family and Hobby Lobby stores.

    • dsent711

      the “government” doesn’t just want to quash Christian businesses, it contributes to the failure of ALL businesses. If Obama care takes effect, many employees will find their hours cut becuase of the insurance mandates on businesses. This creates hardship for the employee, not only with a cut in their pay, but then the government threatens to fine them if they do not have health insurance. It’s a no win scenario. I’m afraid that this regime, “voted” into office (although NOT by the popular vote) will destroy this country and all its freedoms- Religious and otherwise. the American people will continue to decline into poverty (forced on them by the government), businnesses will continue to fail, however, the members of congress and the government will continue to be exempt from all the mandates they force us to endure. Doesn’t sound like much of a future to me. I agree with all the others who say ” Let congress and the government be forced to follow their own mandates and we’ll see how long it lasts!” But we all know…that will never happen.

      • fenaray

        What flavor is that kool-aid you’re drinking?

    • Siennaskye

      Ummm I’m sorry but although I respect everyone’s religious opinions and practices, this sounds more to me like a company that is making excuses in order not to comply with the healthcare mandate (like many other large companies). They do not address the LIFE SAVING care that many of their employees will surely benefit from. Not to mention their employees families and small children who will also benefit from health insurance. Anyone who has had an emergency situation knows first hand how impossible it is to pay medical bills. Anyone who has tried to obtain health insurance and was turned down due to pre-existing conditions can also benefit from the new healthcare reform. I love how they mention their management team earning 80% over minimum wage but do not address the millions of dollars the company makes each year. C’mon now, it is a copout to use religion in order to prevent your employees from health care. In fact, that is one of the MOST NON-CHRISTIAN things I have ever heard!

      • Jonnie1102

        Then make a mandate to INS companies to cover pre-cond’s….or have the feds help pay for them until the year or two whatever…not socialize the whole thing…dumb

    • GuardianAngel55555

      Apparebtly these people don’t know or understand what is going on in parts of the world right now, if you are Christian in other countries like for instance Syria right now, you are dead! They have been slaughtering Christians there and are as I type, that is what they are doing there and obama knows it and supports it, he is not Christian like he falsely claims, he is muslim or luciferian or some other sick religion, but be assured that it is going to get worse for the Christians in America, just as they are murdering them over seas, American Christians are next….and obama knows this and supports this…he’s just lying for now about EVERYTHING to keep his true self concealed, that is why no one knows who is really is, that is why the election was rigged to keep this lying murdering terrorist puppet in authority to carry out all of the mentally ill elite’s plans, and they are not Christian, but who do they feel are hampering things in the US, the Christians! Muslims hate Christians, and the muslim religion is lucifer’s home -made religion!

    • FreeThinkerKat

      You whiney little bitch of a man. Not all of your employees are Christian. You have no rights to enforce what your religious beliefs are onto a person that works for you. Sure, pipe in that generic, lovely, unplaceable, religious music all day, but that doesn’t mean that you get to decide what she does in her off time! God granted us all with free will… what if your little checker or stocker person has a side business of stripping? What if she’s a *gasp* Jew/Muslim/Hindu???? You need to provide this “horrible” healthcare to all of your employees and give them the free will to chose the “right” path. You cannot mandate your employees health and health choices outside of the work place….hell, you cannot mandate it AT the work place…. what ever made you think that you could? Unless you and your business actively practice personnel discrimination by hiring only Christians… this crap won’t and shouldn’t fly.

      PS – I’m a Christian, but I hate telling people that because people like you give us a bad name.

      • Mayhem

        What am I missing?

        The argument is whether an employer should be forced to supply the morning after pill to employee’s against the employers religious beliefs. No ones ramming religion down anyone’s throat.

        What you on about? @FreeThinkerKat.

    • Carrie

      This is about the current government trying to take away yet one more of our freedoms! Little by little our freedoms are being eroded. If you don’t recognize this, you may want to move elsewhere.

    • Justin Z

      Thanks for taking yourself off my list of businesses to patronize, Mr. Green.

    • Jonnie1102

      Wow,,,read the comments and so many people think what they believe are “facts” I’m Christian in a weird kind of way but again my beliefs. OK saying that Hobby Lobby has a weak argument. They are not a religious institution. SAYING that how about reject the national health act because it sucks!! I live in Rochester MN and people living in places with socialized health care spend everything they have to get treatment here or they would die. Plus it’s against federal law….or was up until now.

    • Pot Meets Kettle

      Guess I know where my wife (a new Christian) will be buying her Christmas gifts this year.

    • bean8910

      According to God’s principles, eh? So, I suppose utilizing sweat shops in order to maximize your profits goes according to God’s principles. I suppose God doesn’t give a crap about the people leading utterly miserable lives because they were betrayed by their own government by allowing these sweat shops to be built and that were then exploited in their poverty by these “Godly people.” I’m sure God doesn’t care that they work insanely long hours in deplorable conditions so that these CEO’s can pocket larger amounts of money. It’s far more important to God that these people maximize profits than these Christians treat others with dignity and respect. Yes, that sounds real Christian. Note sarcasm. Why weren’t they standing against their own decision to utilize sweat shops to create their merchandise? Where were the Godly principles then? Seems that Christians so often miss the point. They’ll demand righteousness regarding one principle with their right hand while violating that same principle with their left hand. These people profit what they do because they pay their workers low wages and exploit poverty-stricken people in other countries. Nothing about that sounds like they follow God’s principles, and anyone who goes running out to their stores to buy their merchandise is the greatest of hypocrites.

    • pastact

      I will pray for you during this tough time. Not only will you have to deal with the stress of a lawsuit with the government of a country you love, but also you will have to endure attacks and slanderous accusations from people who do not understand what you are doing or why. I realize you did not choose to be on the forefront of this fight, but I want to encourage you as your battle is not just to gain something for yourself but to also maintain freedom for others and to honor God with your actions.

    • khill

      This remains a business decision and not a religious discrimination case. If you are a company with more than 50 employees, you are required to provide health insurance. What this letter indicates is that Hobby Lobby wants a special health insurance created for them based on the OWNER’S Christian beliefs. But Hobby Lobby does not operate under the description of a religious entity. It is a craft and hobby store. If anyone is being discriminated against, it is not the Hobby Lobby organization, but the employee whose convictions do not match the business, which includes many Christians. Hobby Lobby is a great place for shopping, but the idea that they should be EXEMPT from allowing women and their physicians to make decisions, outside of the Hobby Lobby Business model is ridiculous. :roll:

    • Jonnie1102

      Mankind in his insatiable search for divine
      Knowledge has discarded all biblical teachings

      Realizing that the strength of religion is the repression of
      All structures of religion have collapsed

      Life prays for death
      in the wake of the horror of these revelations

      It was never imagined how graphic the reality that would
      be known as the end
      of creation
      Would manifest itself

      We believe all this chaos and atrocity can be traced
      Back to one single event

      We hold these truths to be painfully self-evident
      All men are not created equal
      Only the strong will prosper
      Only the strong will conquer

      -Slayer :twisted:

    • umsllc5000

      Hey Hobby Lobby,

      The law is the law. I don’t care if your Christian extreme view is your excuse to “screw” your workers….

      Start paying a living wage……

      I bet your family is able to support itself from all your “christian” business beliefs…..But your workers cannot……

      You and WalMart must have the same lawyersl.

      • Mayhem

        You just showed me you couldn’t be bothered reading and simply went all kneejerk on this thread.

        Want to try anew?

        Hobby Lobby pays well over minimum wages and won’t open one day a week so that their employees can spend time at their leisure and they dislike being forced to go against THEIR religous beliefs.

        Nasty Hobby Lobby Boo!!!!!!!

        • Jonnie1102

          Agrees Mayhem. Also is Christianity extreme? Or did they mean extreme Christians?

    • Jonnie1102

      It’s all good Paul… apologize as well!!

    • Jonnie1102

      Paul— It was my fault…sad to say, texting while driving, went into the ditch doing 70. Thank God no one else was involved or hurt. Anyways received a L-1 burst fracture but thankfully no spinal damage. 7 Vert. fusion and some metal now but could have been so much worse. That was on June 23rd of this year…not there yet but well on my way to getting back to myself.

      I was reflecting a bit. Reading posts and thinking about my reactions. People, including myself, get so judgemental and mean to each other. I’d never say some of the things I do to a persons face. I don’t like hurting feelings. And I don’t believe many people do. Makes me a little ashamed. Just thinking “aloud” :)

      • Mayhem

        Well we all three of us got this in common.

        30 odd years on a Motorcycle sure taught me there are few soft landings anywhere. I got the front wheel of one bike past the center line of a Mini that I Tee-boned in the LHS B pillar. I mean I damn near cut that thing in half. I hit a Hillman Hunter (a mid size car by American standards) so hard in the RHS front wheel the whole front of the car was pushed 2″ out of alignment. Walked away with minor injuries from both.

        Be well Johnnie1102.

        • Jonnie1102

          Wow,,,Glad you were not hurt worse!!! And thank you, You too!!!

        • Mayhem

          It’s not about me. I’m all healed. Still riding of course. I won’t stop till my son rips the keys out of my frail old hands (sometime in the distant future mind) and slams me in the old folks home.

          Even then you can bet I’m gonna be doing a transplant on my mobility scooter so I can pull the fat wheel stands and drop doughnuts all over the place.

          I live for it :!:

      • Paul Muad\\\\\\\'Dib

        Roger that.

        Sometimes a good car crash (I mean a BAD car crash) is what it takes to put life into perspective and slow a person down. I never texted while driving (cuz I hate cellphones) but I used to be a drunk and would always drive around hammered, so I wouldn’t dare judge. The only crashes I was ever in while drunk were always as a passenger though. Made it half-way through a windshield once and left a face print in the sheet metal of a Buick Regal. While Jimmy Buffet was playing on the radio. Good memories.

        So it sounds to me like someone might be trying to slow you down and give you some time for introspection, which it sounds like you’re doing. And no doubt – we could always be kinder to each other (except that Mayhem – tell him I’m going to hit him with a wet cabbage one of these days). But sometimes, a little dust-is all that’s needed to gain some clarity and better communication…
        …which is what just happened on this comment thread, I think.

        Hope you’re back on your feet and 100% soon.

        (And Slayer? Bah… Metallica. James Hetfield used to kill it. Before he had his sex change and became ‘Jessica’ Hetfield, that is.)

        • Mayhem

          (And Slayer? Bah… Metallica. James Hetfield used to kill it. Before he had his sex change and became ‘Jessica’ Hetfield, that is.)?????

          Tell me it isn’t so. GOOOOOOOOGLE!!!!!!!

        • Paul Muad\\\\\\\'Dib

          No. Hetfield didn’t really have a sex change.

          He just lost his moxie a long time ago.

          Got soft. Went to pot.

          Maybe he sold his soul.

          Maybe he just needed testosterone and booze to be a as good as he was. And when that dried up, he dried up.

          Maybe I just got old.

        • Jonnie1102

          It gave me a whole new outlook on life–every second is a gift I cherish!!! And I know someone was telling me to slow down and make some changes!! Wow,,,happy your still around to tell about your accident!!

          LOL—I agree with the Jessica LOL, What happened to them!!!!—But SLAYER still rocks hard live,,,,new music sucks though.

          -and FYI that doesn’t know slayer, they sing politics or what happens to evil men….not satanic like some believe.

        • Jonnie1102

          LOL- Google is the new Guide to the truth these days LOL

        • Jonnie1102

          He tried to go main stream and lost his way :) Ahhh,,I miss 80′s metal!

        • Jonnie1102

          Paul and Mayhem- Actually turned into a fun discussion!!! I’m hitting the pillow! Take care both of you and hope to run into you both again!!

    • Bkkelly101

      It’s sad and embarrassing to think our government will impose this mandate on your business. Praying for you, David!

    • JayGee7

      We need more companies and people standing up for what’s right in this country, especially against our tyrannical government. The government are OUR employees, we are not their subjects. Fire the whole bunch and start over! They’ve all sold out and are working to take over our country.

    • ClarkRN

      There is no excuse for the statement that emergency contraception would end a life. It DOES NOT and CANNOT end pregnancy once it has been established. It only prevents one from occurring.
      Regardless, it is religious persecution to state that because the founder of the company has particular views, that all of the individuals who work for them have to have the same views. They are not paying for their employees contraception, they are paying for their employees work and right to health care. I don’t care what you believe in, it’s an injustice that people are allowed to behave as if they are being persecuted by being required to accept that there are other beliefs in this country.

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