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Why are the elite having problems accepting the results of the June 2016 referendum?

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This is the question the redoubtable  Gisela Stuart posed.If you go on Google.you will find the following list of our referendum results since 1973 as listed  by the electoral commission.

https://www.parliament.uk/get-involved/elections/referendums-held-in-the-uk/

I quote below from this report

Previous referendums in the UK

  • 8 March 1973: Northern Ireland  – Northern Ireland sovereignty referendum on whether Northern Ireland should remain part of the United Kingdom or join the Republic of Ireland (yes to remaining part of the UK)
  • 5 June 1975: UK – Membership of the European Community referendum on whether the UK should stay in the European Community (yes)
  • 1 March 1979: Scotland – Scottish devolution referendum on whether there should be a Scottish Assembly (40 per cent of the electorate had to vote yes in the referendum, although a small majority voted yes this was short of the 40 per cent threshold required to enact devolution)
  • 1 March 1979: Wales – Welsh devolution referendum on whether there should be a Welsh Assembly (no)
  • 11 September 1997: Scotland – Scottish devolution referendums on whether there should be a Scottish Parliament and whether the Scottish Parliament should have tax varying powers (both referendums received a yes vote)
  • 18 September 1997: Wales – Welsh devolution referendum on whether there should be a National Assembly for Wales (yes)
  • 7 May 1998: London – Greater London Authority referendum on whether there should be a Mayor of London and Greater London Authority (yes)
  • 22 May 1998: Northern Ireland – Northern Ireland Belfast Agreement referendum on the Good Friday Agreement (yes)
  • 3 March 2011: Wales – Welsh devolution referendum on whether the National Assembly for Wales should gain the power to legislate on a wider range of matters (yes)
  • 5 May 2011: UK – referendum on whether to change the voting system for electing MPs to the House of Commons from first past the post to the alternative vote (no, first past the post will continue to be used to elect MPs to the House of Commons)
  • 18 September 2014: Scotland – referendum on whether Scotland should become an independent country (no, the electorate voted 55 per cent to 45 per cent in favour of Scotland remaining within the UK.

The 1975 one came shortly after Parliament had voted us in and was anyway well and truely fixed by Harold Wilson so we stayed in . Cameron never had Wilson’s brains and  his pathetic attempts to fix the 2016 referendum failed abysmally followed by his ignominious retreat.. What would his fellow Old  Etonian Wellington have made of his cack handed Bullingdon club effort?

 More interesting  and still relevant to us today is how Heath got the second reading of the ECA
taking us into the Common Market.

On 17 February 1972, the House of Commons voted narrowly by 309-301 in favour of the Bill at its second reading, after three days of intense debate.

Now that was a narrow result! but there were no calls then for a peoples vote. Heath had repeatedly dismissed such referendum calls in the run up to 17th Feb vote..


Michael Crick tweeted on 25th Oct


If the Government only gets Withdrawal Deal through Commons with some Labour votes and abstentions, there’s a nice twist. Heath Govt only got 2nd reading vote on Oct 1971 of act to join EEC with 69 Lab votes & 29 Lab abstentions

May is obviously trying to repeat Heath”s trick. Heath was helped by crypto metropolitan elite LibDems Jenkins and Williams  while May now has Chuka and his chums also of the London elite. 

So why no previous referendum problems? Other than the London mayor vote which clearly benefited the London elite’s bank balances the other votes were in  places the elite had no financial interest in, Wales, NI and Scotland



The 1972 Hansard division list is below

The House divided: Ayes 309, Noes 301.

755


Division No. 59.] AYES [10.0 p.m.
Adley, Robert Dixon, Piers, Howe, Hn. Sir Geoffrey (Reigate)
Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash) Dodds-Parker, Douglas Howell, David (Guildford)
Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead) Douglas-Home, Rt. Hn. Sir Alec Howell, Ralph (Norfolk, N.)
Amery, Rt. Hn. Julian Drayson, G. B. Hunt, John
Archer, Jeffrey (Louth) du Cann, Rt. Hn. Edward Iremonger, T. L.
Astor, John Dykes, Hugh Irvine, Bryant Godman (Rye)
Atkins, Humphrey Eden, Sir John James, David
Awdry, Daniel Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford)
Baker, Kenneth (St. Marylebone) Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton) Jessel, Toby
Baker, W. H. K. (Banff) Elliott, R. W. (N’c'tle-upon-Tyne, N.) Johnson Smith, G. (E. Grinstead)
Balniel, Rt. Hn. Lord Emery, Peter Johnston, Russell (Inverness)
Barber, Rt. Hn. Anthony Farr, John Jones, Arthur (Northants, S.)
Batsford, Brian Fenner, Mrs. Peggy Jopling, Michael
Beamish, Col. Sir Tufton Fidler, Michael Joseph, Rt. Hn. Sir Keith
Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torquay) Finsberg, Geoffrey (Hampstead) Kaberry, Sir Donald
Bennett, Dr. Reginald (Gosport) Fisher, Nigel (Surbiton) Kellett-Bowman, Mrs. Elaine
Benyon, W. Fletcher-Cooke, Charles Kershaw, Anthony
Berry, Hn. Anthony Fookes, Miss Janet Kimball, Marcus
Biggs-Davison, John Fortescue, Tim King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.)
Blaker, Peter Foster, Sir John King, Tom (Bridgwater)
Boardman, Tom (Leicester, S.W.) Fowler, Norman Kinsey, J. R.
Boscawen, Robert Fox, Marcus Kirk, Peter
Bossom, Sir Clive Fry, Peter Kitson, Timothy
Bowden, Andrew Galbraith, Hn. T. G. Knight, Mrs. Jill
Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hn. John Gardner, Edward Knox, David
Braine, Sir Bernard Gibson-Watt, David Lambton, Lord
Bray, Ronald Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.) Lane, David
Brewis, John Gilmour, Sir John (Fife, E.) Langford-Holt, Sir John
Brinton, Sir Tatton Glyn, Dr. Alan Legge-Bourke, Sir Harry
Brocklebank-Fowler, Christopher Godber, Rt. Hn. J. B. Le Marchant, Spencer
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) Goodhart, Philip Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland)
Bruce-Gardyne, J. Goodhew, Victor Lloyd, Rt. Hn. Geoffrey (Sut ‘nC’ dfield)
Bryan, Paul Gorst, John Lloyd, Ian (P’tsm’th, Langstone)
Buchanan-Smith, Alick (Angus, N&M) Gower, Raymond Longden, Sir Gilbert
Buck, Antony Grant, Anthony (Harrow, C.) Loveridge, John
Bullus, Sir Eric Gray, Hamish Luce, R. N.
Burden, F. A. Green, Alan McAdden, Sir Stephen
Butler, Adam (Bosworth) Grieve, Percy MacArthur, Ian
Campbell, Rt. Hn. G. (Moray & Nairn) Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds) McCrindle, R. A.
Carlisle, Mark Grimond, Rt. Hn. J. McLaren, Martin
Carr, Rt. Hn. Robert Grylls, Michael Maclean, Sir Fitzroy
Cary, Sir Robert Gummer, J. Selwyn McMaster, Stanley
Channon, Paul Gurden, Harold Macmillan, Rt. Hn. Maurice (Farnham)
Chapman, Sydney Hall, Miss Joan (Keighley) McNair-Wilson, Michael
Chataway, Rt. Hn. Christopher Hall, John (Wycombe) McNair-Wilson, Patrick (New Forest)
Chichester-Clark, R. Hall-Davis, A. G. F. Maddan, Martin
Churchill, W. S. Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) Madel, David
Clark, William (Surrey, E.) Hannam, John (Exeter) Marples, Rt. Hn. Ernest
Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Harrison, Brian (Maldon) Mather, Carol
Clegg, Walter Harrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye) Maudling, Rt. Hn. Reginald
Cockeram, Eric Haselhurst, Alan Mawby, Ray
Cooke, Robert Hastings, Stephen Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J.
Coombs, Derek Havers, Michael Meyer, Sir Anthony
Cooper, A. E. Hawkins, Paul Mills, Peter (Torrington)
Cordle, John Hay, John Mills, Stratton (Belfast, N.)
Corfield, Rt. Hn. Frederick Hayhoe, Barney Miscampbell, Norman
Cormack, Patrick Heath, Rt. Hn. Edward Mitchell, Lt-Col. C. (Aberdeenshire, W.)
Costain, A. P. Heseltine, Michael Mitchell, David (Basingstoke)
Critchley, Julian Hicks, Robert Money, Ernie
Crouch, David Higgins, Terence L. Monks, Mrs. Connie
Crowder, F. P. Hiley, Joseph Monro, Hector
Curran, Charles Hill, John E. B. (Norfolk, S.) Montgomery, Fergus
Dalkeith, Earl of Hill, James (Southampton, Test) More, Jasper
Davies, Rt. Hn. John (Knutsford) Holland, Philip Morgan, Geraint (Denbigh)
d’Avigdor-Goldsmid, Sir Henry Holt, Miss Mary Morgan-Giles, Rear-Adm.
d’Avigdor-Goldsmid, Maj. -Gen. James Morrison, Charles
Dean, Paul Hordern, Peter Murton, Oscar
Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. Hornby, Richard Neave, Airey
Digby, Simon Wingfield Hornsby-Smith, Rt. Hn. Dame Patricia Noble, Rt. Hn. Michael
Normanton, Tom Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) Thomas, John Stradling (Monmouth)
Noll, John Rost, Peter Thomas, Rt. Hn. Peter (Hendon, S.)
Onslow, Cranley Royle, Anthony Thompson, Sir Richard (Croydon, S.)
Oppenheim, Mrs. Sally St. John-Stevas, Norman Thorpe, Rt. Hn. Jeremy
Orr, Capt. L. P. S. Sandys, Rt. Hn. D. Tilney, John
Osborn, John Scott, Nicholas Trafford, Dr. Anthony
Owen, Idris (Stockport, N) Scott-Hopkins, James Trew, Peter
Page, Graham (Crosby) Sharpies, Richard Tugendhat, Christopher
Page, John (Harrow, W.) Shaw, Michael (Sc’b'gh & Whitby) van Straubenzee, W. R.
Hardoe, John Shelton, William (Clapham) Vaughan, Dr. Gerard
Parkinson, Cecil Simeons, Charles Vickers, Dame Joan
Peel, John Sinclair, Sir George Waddington, David
Percival, Ian Skeet, T. H. H. Walder, David (Clitheroe)
Peyton, Rt. Hn. John Smith, Dudley (W’wick & L’mington) Walker, Rt. Hn. Peter (Worcester)
Pike, Miss Mervyn Soref, Harold Wall, Patrick
Pink, R. Bonner Speed, Keith Walters, Dennis
Pounder, Radon Spence, John Ward, Dame Irene
Price, David (Eastleigh) Sproat, Iain Warren, Kenneth
Prior, Rt. Hn. J. M. L. Stainton, Keith Wells, John (Maidstone)
Proudfoot, Wilfred Stanbrook, Ivor White, Roger (Gravesend)
Pym, Rt. Hn. Francis Steel, David Whitelaw, Rt. Hn. William
Ouennell, Miss J. M. Stewart-Smith, Geoffrey (Belper) Wiggin, Jerry
Raison, Timothy Stodart, Anthony (Edinburgh, W.) Wilkinson, John
Ramsden, Rt. Hn. James Stoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M. Winterton, Nicholas
Rawlinson, Rt. Hn. Sir Peter Stokes, John Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick
Redmond, Robert Stuttaford, Dr. Tom Wood, Rt. Hn. Richard
Reed, Laurance (Bolton, E.) Sutcliffe, John Woodhouse, Hn. Christopher
Rees, Peter (Dover) Woodnutt, Mark
Rees-Davies, W. R. Tapsell, Peter
Renton, Rt. Hn Sir David Taylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne) Worsley, Marcus
Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon Taylor, Edward M. (G’gow, Cathcart) Wylie, Rt. Hn. N. R.
Ridley, Hn. Nicholas Taylor, Frank (Moss Side) Younger, Hn. George
Ridsdale, Julian Taylor, Robert (Croydon, N.W.)
Rippon, Rt. Hn. Geoffrey TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Roberts, Michael (Cardiff, N.) Tebbit, Norman Mr. Reginald Eyre and Mr. Bernard Weatherill.
Roberts, Wyn (Conway) Temple, John M.
Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks) Thatcher, Rt. Hn. Mrs. Margaret

NOES

Abse, Leo Cohen, Stanley Fitch. Alan (Wigan)
Albu, Austen Concannon, J. D. Fitt, Gerard (Belfast, W.)
Allaun, Frank (Salford, E.) Conlan, Bernard Fletcher, Raymond (Ilkeston)
Allen, Scholefield Cox, Thomas (Wandsworth, C.) Fletcher. Ted (Darlington)
Archer, Peter (Rowley Regis) Crawshaw, Richard Foley, Maurice
Armstrong, Ernest Cronin, John Foot, Michael
Ashley, Jack Crosland, Rt. Hn. Anthony Ford, Ben
Ashton, Joe Cunningham, G. (Islington, S.W.) Forrester, John
Atkinson, Norman Cunningham, Dr. J. A. (Whitehaven) Fraser, John (Norwood)
Bagier, Gordon A. T. Dalyell, Tam Freeson, Reginald
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) Darling, Rt. Hn. George Galpern, Sir Myer
Barnett, Joel (Heywood and Royton) Davidson, Arthur Garrett, W. E.
Baxter, William Davies, Denzil (Llanelly) Gilbert, Dr. John
Beaney, Alan Davies, G. Elfed (Rhondda, E.) Ginsburg, David (Dewsbury)
Bell, Ronald Davies, Ifor (Gower) Golding, John
Benn, Rt. Hn. Anthony Wedgwood Davies, S. O. (Merthyr Tydvil) Gordon Walker, Rt. Hn. P. C.
Bennett, James (Glasgow, Bridgeton) Davis, Clinton (Hackney, C.) Gourlay, Harry
Bidwell, Sydney Davis, Terry (Bromsgrove) Grant, George (Morpeth)
Biffen, John Deakins, Eric Grant, John D. (Islington, E.)
Bishop, E. S. de Freitas, Rt. Hn. Sir Geoffrey Griffiths, Eddie (Brightside)
Blenkinsop, Arthur Delargy, H. J. Griffiths, Will (Exchange)
Boardman, H. (Leigh) Dell, Rt. Hn. Edmund Hamilton, James (Bothwell)
Body, Richard Dempsey, James Hamilton, William (Fife, W.)
Booth, Albert Devlin, Miss Bernadette Hamling, William
Bottomley, Rt. Hn. Arthur Doig, Peter Hannan, William (G’gow, Maryhill)
Boyden, James (Bishop Auckland) Dormand, J. D. Hardy, Peter
Bradley, Tom Douglas, Dick (Stirlingshire, E.) Harper, Joseph
Broughton, Sir Alfred Douglas-Mann, Bruce Harrison, Walter (Wakefield)
Brown, Bob (N’c'tle-upon-Tyne, W.) Driberg, Tom Hart, Rt. Hn. Judith
Brown, Hugh D. (G’gow, Provan) Duffy, A. E. P. Hattersley, Roy
Brown, Ronald (Shoreditch & F’bury) Dunn, James A. Healey, Rt. Hn. Denis
Buchan, Norman Dunnett, Jack Heffer, Eric S.
Buchanan, Richard (G’gow, Sp’burn) Eadie, Alex Hilton, W. S.
Butler, Mrs. Joyce (Wood Green) Edelman, Maurice Hooson, Emlyn
Callaghan, Rt. Hn. James Edwards. Robert (Bilston) Horam, John
Campbell, I. (Dunbartonshire, W.) Edwards, William (Merioneth) Houghton, Rt. Hn. Douglas
Cant, R. B. Ellis, Tom Howell, Denis (Small Heath)
Carmichael, Neil English, Michael Huckfield, Leslie
Carter, Ray (Birmingh’m, Northfield) Evans, Fred Hughes, Rt Hn. Cledwyn (Anglesey)
Carter-Jones, Lewis (Eccles) Ewing, Henry Hughes, Mark (Durham)
Castle, Rt. Hn. Barbara Faulds, Andrew Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen, N.)
Clark, David (Colne Valley) Fell, Anthony Hughes, Roy (Newport)
Cocks, Michael (Bristol, S.) Fernyhough. Rt. Hn. E. Hunter, Adam
Fisher, Mrs. Doris (B’ham, Lady wood) Hutchison, Michael Clark
Irvine, Rt. Hn. Sir Arthur (Edge Hill) Mellish, Rt. Hn. Robert Ross, Rt. Hn. William (Kilmarnock)
Janner, Greville Mendelson, John Sandelson, Neville
Jay, Rt. Hn. Douglas Mikardo, Ian Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-under-Lyne)
Jeger, Mrs. Lena Millan, Bruce Shore, Rt. Hn. Peter (Stepney)
Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) Miller, Dr. M. S. Short, Rt. Hn. Edward (N’c'tle-u-Tyne)
Jenkins, Rt. Hn. Roy (Stechford) Milne, Edward Short, Mrs. Renée (W’hampton, N.E.)
Jennings, J. C. (Burton) Mitchell, R. C. (S’hampton, Itchen) Silkin, Rt. Hn. John (Deptford)
John, Brynmor Moate, Roger Silkin, Hn. S. C. (Dulwich)
Johnson, James (K’ston-on-Hull, W.) Molloy, William Sillars, James
Johnson, Walter (Derby, S.) Molyneaux, James Silverman, Julius
Jones, Barry (Flint, E.) Morgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire) Skinner, Dennis
Jones, Dan (Burnley) Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) Small, William
Jones, Rt. Hn. Sir Elwyn (W.Ham, S.) Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) Smith, John (Lanarkshire, N.)
Jones, Gwynoro (Carmarthen) Morris, Rt. Hn. John (Aberavon) Spearing, Nigel
Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, W.) Moyle, Roland Spriggs, Leslie
Judd, Frank Mudd, David Stallard, A. W.
Kaufman, Gerald Mulley, Rt. Hn. Frederick Stewart, Donald (Western Isles)
Kelley, Richard Murray, Ronald King Stewart, Rt. Hn. Michael (Fulham)
Kerr, Russell Nabarro, Sir Gerald Stoddart, David (Swindon)
Kinnock, Nell Oakes, Gordon Stonehouse, Rt. Hn. John
Lambie, David Ogden, Eric Strang, Gavin
Lamond, James O’Halloran, Michael Strauss, Rt. Hn. G. R.
Latham, Arthur O’Malley. Brian Summerskill, Hn. Dr. Shirley
Leadbitter, Ted Oram, Bert Swain, Thomas
Lee, Rt. Hn. Frederick Orbach, Maurice Taverne, Dick
Leonard, Dick Orme, Stanley Thomas, Rt. Hn. George(Cardiff, W.)
Lestor, Miss Joan Oswald, Thomas Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery)
Lever, Rt. Hn. Harold Owen, Dr. David (Plymouth, Sutton) Thomson, Rt. Hn. G. (Dundee, E.)
Lewis, Arthur (W. Ham, N.) Padley, Walter Tinn, James
Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) Paget, R. T. Tomney, Frank
Lipton, Marcus Paisley, Rev. Ian Torney, Tom
Lomas, Kenneth Palmer, Arthur Tuck, Raphael
Loughlin, Charles Pannell, Rt. Hn. Charles Turton, Rt. Hn. Sir Robin
Lyon, Alexander W. (York) Parker, John (Dagenham) Urwin, T. W.
Lyons, Edward (Bradford, E.) Parry, Robert (Liverpool, Exchange) Varley, Eric G.
Mabon, Dr. J. Dickson Pavitt, Laurie Wainwright, Edwin
McBride, Neil Peart, Rt. Hn. Fred Walden, Brian (B’m'ham, All Saints)
McCann, John Pendry, Tom Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
McCartney, Hugh Pentland, Norman Walker-Smith, Rt. Hn. Sir Derek
McElhone, Frank Perry, Ernest G. Wallace, George
McGuire, Michael Powell, Rt. Hn. J. Enoch Watkins, David
Mackenzie, Gregor Prentice, Rt. Hn. Reg. Weitzman, David
Mackle, John Prescott, John Wells, William (Walsall, N.)
Mackintosh, John P. Price, J. T. (Westhoughton) White, James (Glasgow, Pollok)
Maclennan, Robert Price, William (Rugby) Whitehead, Phillip
McManus, Frank Probert, Arthur Whitlock, William
McMillan, Tom (Glasgow, C.) Rankin, John Willey, Rt. Hn. Frederick
McNamara, J. Kevin Reed, D. (Sedgefield) Williams, Alan (Swansea, W.)
Maginnis, John E. Rees, Merlyn (Leeds, S.) Williams, Mrs. Shirley (Hitchin)
Mahon, Simon (Bootle) Rhodes, Geoffrey Williams, W. T. (Warrington)
Mallalieu, J. P. W. (Huddersfield, E.) Richard, Ivor Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton)
Marks, Kenneth Roberts, Albert (Normanton) Wilson, Rt. Hn. Harold (Huyton)
Marquand, David Roberts, Rt. Hn. Goronwy (Caernarvon) Wilson, William (Coventry, S.)
Marsden, F. Robertson, John (Paisley) Woof, Robert
Marshall, Dr. Edmund Roderick, Caerwyn E.(Br’c'n & R’dnor)
Marten, Neil Rodgers, William (Stockton-on-Tees) TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Mason, Rt. Hn. Roy Roper, John Mr. Donald Coleman and Mr. James Wellbeloved.
Meacher, Michael Rose, Paul B.

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