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The Vaccine Hoax is Over Secret Documents Reveal Shocking Truth

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Freedom of Information Act in the UK filed by a doctor there has revealed 30 years of secret official documents showing that government experts have

1. Known the vaccines don’t work
2. Known they cause the diseases they are supposed to prevent
3. Known they are a hazard to children
4. Colluded to lie to the public
5. Worked to prevent safety studies

Those are the same vaccines that are mandated to children in the US.

Educated parents can either get their children out of harm’s way or continue living inside one of the largest most evil lies in history, that vaccines – full of heavy metals, viral diseases, mycoplasma, fecal material, DNA fragments from other species, formaldehyde, polysorbate 80 (a sterilizing agent) – are a miracle of modern medicine.

Freedom of Information Act filed in the US with the CDC by a doctor with an autistic son, seeking information on what the CDC knows about the dangers of vaccines, had by law to be responded to in 20 days. Nearly 7 years later, the doctor went to court and the CDC argued it does not have to turn over documents. A judge ordered the CDC to turn over the documents on September 30th, 2011.

On October 26, 2011, a Denver Post editorial expressed shock that the Obama administration, after promising to be especially transparent, was proposing changes to the Freedom of Information Act that would allow it to go beyond declaring some documents secret and to actually allow government agencies (such as the CDC) to declare some document “non-existent.”


Simultaneous to this on-going massive CDC cover up involving its primary “health” not recommendation but MANDATE for American children, the CDC is in deep trouble over its decades of covering up the damaging effects of fluoride and affecting the lives of all Americans, especially children and the immune compromised. Lawsuits are being prepared.  Children are ingesting 3-4 times more fluoride by body weight as adults and “[t]he sheer number of potentially harmed citizens — persons with dental fluorosis, kidney patients tipped into needing dialysis, diabetics, thyroid patients, etc — numbers in the millions.”

The CDC is obviously acting against the health of the American people. But the threat to the lives of the American people posed by the CDC’s behavior does not stop there. It participated in designed pandemic laws that are on the books in every state in the US, which arrange for the government to use military to force unknown, untested vaccines, drugs, chemicals, and “medical” treatments on the entire country if it declares a pandemic emergency.

The CDC’s credibility in declaring such a pandemic emergency is non-existent, again based on Freedom of Information Act. For in 2009, after the CDC had declared the H1N1 “pandemic,” the CDC refused to respond to Freedom of Information Act filed by CBS News and the CDC also attempted to block their investigation.  What the CDC was hiding was its part in one of the largest medical scandals in history, putting out wildly exaggerated data on what it claimed were H1N1 cases, and by doing so, created the false impression of a “pandemic” in the US.

The CDC was also covering up e financial scandal to rival the bailout since the vaccines for the false pandemic cost the US billions. And worse, the CDC put pregnant women first in line for an untested vaccine with a sterilizing agent, polysorbate 80, in it. Thanks to the CDC,  “the number of vaccine-related “fetal demise” reports increased by 2,440 percent in 2009 compared to previous years, which is even more shocking than the miscarriage statistic [700% increase].

The exposure of the vaccine hoax is running neck and neck with the much older hoax of a deadly 1918-19 flu. It was aspirin  that killed people in 1918-19, not a pandemic flu. It was the greatest industrial catastrophe in human history with 20-50 million people dying but it was blamed on a flu. The beginning of the drug industry began with that success (and Monsanto was part of it). The flu myth was used by George Bush to threaten the world with “another pandemic flu that could kill millions” – a terror tactic to get pandemic laws on the books in every state and worldwide. Then the CDC used hoax of the pandemic hoax to create terror over H1N1 and to push deadly vaccines on the public, killing thousands of unborn children and others.  (CDC will not release the data and continues to push the same vaccine.)

The hoax of the vaccine schedule is over, exposed by FOIAs in the UK. 

The hoax of the CDC’s interest in children’s lives has been exposed by its refusal to respond to a doctor’s FOIAs around its knowledge of vaccine dangers.

The 1918-19 pandemic hoax has been exposed by Dr. Karen Starko’s work on aspirin’s role in killing people.

And despite refusing to respond to FOIAS, the CDC’s scandalous hoax of a 2009 flu pandemic and its part in creating it, was exposed by CBS NEWS. 

And the Obama administration, in attempting to salvage the last vestige of secrecy around what is really happening with vaccines, by declaring agency documents non-existent, has made its claim of transparency, non-existent.

But pandemic laws arranging for unknown vaccines to be forced on the entire country are still in place with HHS creating a vaccine mixture that should never be used on anyone and all liability for vaccines having been removed. Meanwhile, a Canadian study has just proven that the flu vaccine containing the H1N1 vaccine which kills babies in utero, actually increases the risk of serious pandemic flu.

Americans who have been duped into submitting their children to the CDC’s deadly vaccines, have a means to respond now. People from every walk of life and every organization, must

1. take the information from the UK FOIAs exposing 30 years of vaccine lies, the refusal of the CDC to provide any information on what it knows about those lies, and the Obama Administration’s efforts to hide the CDC’s awareness of those lies, and go to their state legislatures, demand the immediate nullification of the CDC vaccine schedule and the pandemic laws.

2. inform every vet. active duty military person, law enforcement people, DHS agents and medical personnel they know, of the vaccine hoax, for their families are deeply threatened, too, but they may not be aware of it or that they have been folded into agency structures by the pharmaceutical industry (indistinguishable from the bankers and oil companies) that would make them agents of death for their country with the declaration of a “pandemic” emergency or “bio-terrorist” attack. It is completely clear now that the terrorism/bioterrorism structures are scams so that any actions taken to “protect” this country using those laws would in fact be what threatens the existence of Americans.

It was aspirin that killed millions in 1918-19.  Now it is mandated and unknown, untested vaccines with banned adjuvants in them that threaten the country with millions of deaths.  At the same time, the CDC is holding 500,000 mega-coffins, built to be incinerated, on its property outside Atlanta.  Not to put to fine a point on this, but it’s clear now that the CDC should not be involved in any way with public health.

Thanks to the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), we know that vaccines are not a miracle of modern medicine.  Any medical or government authority which insists vaccines prevent diseases is either ignorant of government documents (and endless studies) revealing the exact opposite or of the CDC’s attempts to hide the truth about vaccines from the public, or means harm to the public.

Thanks to the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), we know the vaccine schedule is a hoax.

The health danger to American children and adults are vaccines.


well..there it is..obfuscation and deception from the USA..the UK have been exposed..i have always been worried about vaccines and now its confirmed..dont get a jab..just say NO! and do not let them get at your kids if you can help it..


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    • Mayhem

      Based purely on the headline. Yay! Please let it be so.

      Here is my tribute to all those who snorted into their surgical gown with derision whenever the word vaccinate was mentioned. Here is a flower to all those who never had the choice. Inject nothing inject nothing.

      Next? Kill off the Vivisection hoax.

      Tell every one every truth you know and damn the consequence.

      • Mayhem

        …and big balls to all who refuse.

        Good points and strong evidence in your article. Thanks.

      • Medical Student

        Time for a quick lesson on Vaccines. Just so everyone get’s what I’m saying – lets compare it to a house insurance policy.

        Let’s start with polio – a disease that normally strikes in early childhood if someone isn’t vaccinated. Let’s compare that to a insurance policy against fire. Now most would agree that would be an important part of any insurance policy – and so they pay the big bucks for it.

        However, let’s say there’s another insurance policy against (play along please) people breaking into your home to steal your socks (and this compares to the flu vaccine). Not many people would want to pay a lot of money for that. Because even if you did get robbed – you would only be missing out on some socks. So most people would choose not to get the vaccine. This vaccine should be reserved for those with a weaker immune system.

        I agree my metaphor sucks – but it could get the point across that all this hype about “vaccines causing autism”, “vaccines killing people” are grossly exaggerated. I’ll gladly respond to any questions – because there’re a lot of diseases out there and not all vaccines are the same.

        • Mayhem

          Your metaphor not only sucks so does your biased idea that vaccinations can in any way be any good to us.

          The Vaccination industry is only good for giving mad science an earn. :razz:

        • whitebear

          I’m sorry. I fail to understand why those bent on saving lives are so inept as to include Known Poisons into the Human System.

          Aluminum – found in the 80′s to cause brain death? I am Not OK with this one
          Antibiotics – OK
          Egg protein – OK
          Formaldehyde – embalming agent? I am Not OK with this one
          Monosodium glutamate (MSG) – makes it taste better? I am Not OK with this one
          Thimerosal (mercury? … really) – Another brain killer? I am Not OK with this one

          Only an idiot would knowingly desire to poison there self.

        • Mayhem

          Greetings White Bear.

          I will give you that one. Yes I would be dead but for antibiotics.

          I just want to clarify your definition of MSG. It’s not a ‘taste’ but a visual adulterant. If your takeaways are all glossy and shiny? That is MSG.

          Everything else you said is rather spot on. Glad to help.

    • Hermodr

      You merely have to view vaccination as a form of assault… and defend yourself (with arms, preferably) if some quack tries to stab you or your children.

      Hi, you want to forcible vaccinate me and my family? Food thing my .45 has a lot bigger hole than your needle…

    • Mayhem

      Breaking news.

      In my country we are debating via our National news paper whether a certain product should be allowed for sale. (food and drugs). This product is…

      Smoked through a pipe and consists of sachets of white powder that is smoked. It is called ‘Crack’ and will be available at your suburban convenience store without age restriction.

      I kid you not.


    • Anonymous

      The last time I received a vaccination was in 1978 for the then swine flu. Unable to refuse as I was in the military. Haven’t had one since and have only had a few colds and never have gotten the flu since then.

    • killuminati420

      I haven’t had a vaccine since grade 5 or 6 i hardly ever get sick i actually just bought my first winter jacket in 3 years(Not the smartest)but i never get sick.I live in Canada it gets down to -50C with windchill sometimes.When i do get sick its usually when i binge drink.Parents confuse me they lysol their house won’t let their kids play in the mud then give them vaccines.Let you’re kids be exposed to germs and stuff naturally.I lucked out letting someone inject me with anything creeped me out as a kid so i skipped all my school vaccinations after the Swine flu scare i decided to never get one again.Did my research discovered swine flu is actually from the 70′s and the vaccines had extremely dangerous side effects

      • killuminati420

        your kids ***

      • Medical Student

        You might want to do more research – and maybe stick to verified sources. The ‘swine flu’ is another name for the influenza virus – and believe me it’s been around longer than you have.

        But I agree that the whole swine flu craze – was indeed that – crazy. The media went on a frenzy on that one. The CDC concern was this was a more contagious form of the common flu. This was in fact true – it was easy to catch that strain of the flu – but once you had it it wasn’t any more dangerous than any of the older strains.

        I also agree with you on the overly careful parents that won’t let their kids come close to germs – they don’t realize that they’re doing more harm than good.

        • Mayhem

          I beg your pardon! I quote…

          “The ‘swine flu’ is another name for the influenza virus”

          I don’t think so buddy.

          While H1N1 can be endemic in BOTH humans and Pigs few, as in almost none, human flu viruses are endemic in Pigs. (note the Cap’s)

          Take off with your subtle subterfuge!!!

          However…I do see you making a lot of sense after that and I thank you.

        • Anonymous

          you might want to take your paid propaganda elsewhere. theres a technical term for those that pretend to be imparting useful information via their unqualified opinions – and that term is idiot.

        • killuminati420

          That’s what caught my attention.The media made it seem as if Swine flu or H1N1 was new and a epidemic.Then i find news clips from the 70′s about swine flu and others about how dangerous the vaccine was one girl lost control of her body i forget what the name of the illness was but its besides the point.The fact is they used scare tactics to push a vaccine for something that turned out to not be a big deal.Witch leads me to believe that have some kind of hidden agenda.No government has ever been above testing chemicals on their own people why not germs

        • Medical Student

          Wow, your stupidity amuses me. I understand you’re probably not an expert in the field of viral infections – but just a simple google search could teach you a lot in just a few minutes. Sigh…

          Anyways, if you have a few minutes to spare, give this a read:

        • Medical Student

          That last comment was @ middle-aged-mayhem.

          If that ‘anonymous’ comment was aimed at myself – then i wish I were getting paid to educate others around me – that way I could start paying off my university loans.

        • Mayhem

          Don’t concern yourself, Medical Student, it’s on all right.

          I expect you to try to distract and get this spinning around until no-one understands just whats going on any more but you will be forced to stay on track. I have read your op manual I see you Sir.

          This site, B4IN is largely moderated by it’s contributors as far as I can tell. I am permitted to speak here by merit of my wit. I will match my wit to yours.

          Polio is the subject of choice for me. May I suggest we all learn all the big words by first reading a chilling and disturbing tome. Slaughter of the Innocent by Hans Ruesch.

          When you return I will be prepared to discredit your attack the author tactic. :razz:

          ps to the folk at home this book is not strictly on topic but it does have a section on vaccination and further more can’t avoid the topic all through it’s chapters. It is a book about animal testing and not for the faint of heart. Oh the poor little critters. Now I cry.

        • Mayhem

          Now as to your Wiki link which I thank you for by the way…

          Nowhere in that Wiki-ma-thingy does it say that swine flu is just another name for flu you liar. That article actually reinforces my contention you dummy. Skill up mate or this won’t take long.

          There are people watching you and I debate who would gladly dive in to assist you if I make an error. Many of these people can see for themselves where you said swine flu was just another name for flu. These people might read that Wiki page and see that I am indeed right but yes you are correct that H1N1 is a type of flu. We know this because we made it but that’s another story.

          Point bi-atch. Now Polio if you please what have you for Polio?

        • Medical Student

          @ Middle-aged-Mayhem

          I’m not trying to distract from the point. You doubted my comment that “The ‘swine flu’ is another name for the influenza virus”. My response was to prove you incorrect, which I did. But you will not admit that – which frustrated me at first, but it’s ok. It must be your pride or whatever.

          Btw – If you read that wikipedia article (even just the first paragraph) – you would have seen that the Swine flu (H1N1) is a strain of Type A Influenza Virus.

          And I don’t have time to read that book you suggested atm, it’s exam season – but i’ll be sure to read over Christmas break.

        • Mayhem

          Oh should I have mentioned the “Oh crikey I’ve met my match please lets be reasonable” tactic? No, Medical student, you are getting schooled sonny.

          We play by the common rules of decency and Truth around here buddy. I will allow that perhaps you are simply mis-guided and might believe what you think you know.

          If this is the case we can just drop this now. If not then bring it and the topic is Polio. By the way, Med Student, do you scroll back through this thread and re-cap? A lot of people do.

          I suggest you do exactly that and assess the tone and bring me your very best skill. You will need it.

          I warn you again.

        • Medical Student


          This website is slow so i didn’t see your last comment until I had already posted mine.

          I don’t see what the huge argument is here – I said Swine flu is another name for the influenza virus (I didn’t want to get completely technical – as not everyone on this forum would be able to appreciate what I had to say). IF we’re being technical – swine flu is a strain of the influenza virus (as in it’s the same viral species).

          Again, IF we’re being that technical – the influenza virus has a few subtypes, those limited only to birds, pigs, and humans. Some subtypes can infect more than one host type. It is because of this fact that super-strains of the influenza virus come into existence every ten years or so. This process is called antigenic shift – and that’s when we get those flue seasons where a lot more people get sick. The normal everyday cold that hasn’t jumped from birds and humans to pigs and back to human – is because of antigenic drift. So you see, you can’t think of the influenza virus as being restricted to one species – that’s not how it works. So please don’t try and school me in my area of study – unless you have a worthwhile arguement.

          Lastly, I don’t have anything to say about polio, i’m pretty sure we’re both on the same page – unless you believe the vaccine for that doesn’t work. I can’t argue with you just for the sake of arguing.

          p.s. you can’t call me biatch unless you win the argument.

        • Mayhem

          The topic is Polio Sir. You mentioned it first and I wish to stick to it.

          I choose Polio because I will whip you out of here more quickly than if I let you distract us on viral infection life cycles and such.

          What have you for Polio?

      • Medical Student


        Are you mentally retarded? (if so, no offense)

        Why are you obsessed with arguing over polio?
        Do you for some reason believe the vaccine for polio doesn’t work?
        You need to refute the other person in order the start an argument…this is what you sound like right now:

        “come at me, bro. You might have proven me wrong, but I can’t admit that because I actually don’t know what I’m talking about. But I know everything there is to know about polio – so come at me – just list all the facts you know about polio, and I’ll catch you on the one you screw up on”

        • Mayhem

          You are not making sense. Relax. Shall we move down the thread a bit? Did you take an over view and gauge the tone of this debate?

          I have won two points Bi-atch try to keep count.

        • Medical Student


          Sorry mate, I can only argue with someone on this site for so long – especially when they fail to see proven facts, can’t employ basic logic, and can’t understand when they’re wrong. Nothing person bud, but I’ve added you to my blacklist along with ‘James Smith’.

          - everyone has a right to an opinion, including you. I would suggest you take an introductory course in microbiology, it will open up your world.

          Lastly, with regards to Andrew Wakefield – it wasn’t plagiarism that got him – it was the fact that his entire funding came from a handful of families with children affected with autism. His research was completely skewed in their favor. His claim that the combined MMR vaccine was dangerous was not supported by his data nor his colleagues. After his claim – many children in the UK were not vaccinated with MMR – and what followed was a wave of sickness among the un-vaccinated.

          I’m just glad that when an intelligent mind reads this thread – they’d see I put up with you for far too long. Good luck with welding, don’t burn yourself.

        • Anonymous

          there is no way on this earth you are an actual medical student..

          the closest youve ever come to any sort of medical study is as a subject of study – on the effects of generations of sibling offspring

        • Mayhem

          Crikey Anon.

          Mr Student won’t figure you just called him an inbreed without getting a small brain bleed.

          Too subtle by far Sir.

    • Anonymous

      The author of this article claims, “The 1918-19 pandemic hoax has been exposed by Dr. Karen Starko’s work on aspirin’s role in killing people.” However, if one reads Dr. Starko’s article one learns that Dr. Starko wrote , “The hypothesis presented herein is that aspirin contributed to the incidence and severity of viral pathology, bacterial infection, and death . . . “.

      Dr. Starko clearly states that the contribution of aspirin is a hypothesis. A hypothesis is not a fact of cause and effect and therefore does not expose anything – only suggests the possibility.

    • GK

      Seriously? This is bogus.

      Vaccinations WORK. This is a failing by a government committee, not a VACCINATION.

      READ THE REPORTS before coming up with stupid headlines like these.


        Vaccinations DO WORK.

        The problem is that the Whores That Be always put poison and other deadly goodies into everything they intend to stab into our arms.

        There is such a thing as a ‘clean vaccine’.

        In principle, the vaccination process is no problem at all.

        • Mayhem

          I’m not feeling you Fat’s ya Bastard.

          (starts ranting anti-vaccination logo’s till his Fatliness shuts him down)


        • Medical Student


          This is exactly why you can’t match me wit-for-wit, not unless you have an open mind and can admit when you’re wrong.

          Vaccinate nothing?!? Nice. You probably think Andrew Wakefield was right all along as well don’t you?

        • Mayhem

          Next thing you’ll be telling me that I wished Cancer on the world.

          I told you to bring skill and I have offered you an opportunity for your graceful but beaten withdrawal. I will be patient a little longer but I tire at this your third warning.

          I am familiar with the Andrew Wakefield case study and yes he was most certainly discredited for plagiarism. I ask that you consider what the intent was behind discrediting him given that it is a spiteful and spurious claim at best that could easily be leveled at most academic authors these days as great minds do think alike. Andrew Wakefield knows what causes nearly all Autism so do you Sir.

          Where did it mention Polio on this particular Wiki-ma-thingy? Stay on topic please.

        • Medical Student


          Actually, you’re pretty much saying that for your self (about the cancer thing). If you actually believe that vaccinations are for chumps (unless you’re not saying that) – then I guess you wouldn’t really care for the countless babies that would die. After all – you think that vaccinating for rubella, chickenpox, mumps, measles is all bs. (unless you’re not saying that – tell me if that’s not what you mean).

        • Mayhem

          Oops I must have over done that a little and my post got kicked. I checked my emails and there’s one from the Administrators of B4IN. I better play nicer.

          How dare you! Medical Student I quote…

          “then I guess you wouldn’t really care for the countless babies that would die”

          …and I said I had lived under the same roof as quite a few of the results of your mad science. You don’t have the right to judge me. I answer to much higher than anything you see here. Then I think I recall it was 3-0 and we were about to discuss Polio. Hmm?

          ps we all saw you trying to be a spelling troll before. Who is looking foolish now?

      • Mayhem

        Aye Mr GK Sir! Reports read Cap’n :shock: but by now you probably know I had the goods here.

        Thanks for your interest and I hope you followed the lively debate.

    • AmishMechanism

      Interestingly enough, I developed type I diabetes after receiving three vaccinations before I was allowed to start high school back in 2004. Before that, I was perfectly healthy, had no chronic conditions (other than an allergy to cats), and lived a pretty normal life.

      • Medical Student

        Sorry but not true – it was most likely a mere co-incidence. Type I diabetes mellitus develops early on because in more cases it’s an autoimmune disorder (that means it’s your body acting against itself) – and that fits your age at the time.

        And i’m curious – which diseases were these vaccinations against?

        • Mayhem

          Whats your agenda Bro? You are just way wrong. Stop it.

          Do not make me scare all the good people in order to expose your mantra as evil.

        • Anonymous

          not true.. i only got it after i turned 40…

          same as plenty of other i know.

          piss off.

        • Medical Student

          Sorry if I offended you ‘anonymous’. Most of the time type I DM develops early on in life – but this not a line drawn in sand. The reason why it hits early is often it’s because it can happen post-infection — and most kids contract more viral infections at a younger age. Another reason it happens early is because it’s an autoimmune disease – and those tend to strike sooner rather than later (again, this is not concrete).

          Keep in mind that not every person suffers from DM the same way – that would be too easy for us – what I’ve said and continue to say about disease – is the main trend observed by MDs.

        • Mayhem

          Cough. I’d get stuck into you here but that would play into your hands. Polio please so I can get point 3 in the bank. We can do diabetes another time and I’ll laugh you out of here on that topic as well.

          Do you hear me? Medical Student. Do you catch my mocking tone? See how I sneer with derision at everything you have to say.

          Have you seen Mel Gibsons Apocalypto? Run!

      • Mayhem

        May I threaten you again Mr Student? on behalf of AmishMechanism.

        Don’t think that this is going to go away. I will use this example at a time that suits me when we take on Diabetes.

        You tried an internet diagnosis and when you fluffed it, embarrassingly, you then attempted the mighty face saving back pedal. Many here saw this.

        This little gem shall haunt you but I won’t claim the point for this one yet. We are currently at 6-0. Perhaps you would like to see my score card?

    • Chris W.

      Polio called. He said stop with the sensationalism.

      Look, everyone knows there are fake vaccines and there are real ones. Polio vaccine was real, flu and Gadisil “vaccines” are not.

      But freakouts like this about ALL vaccines help nobody.

      • Medical Student

        You’re on the right track – but the flu vaccine as well as Gardasil (used to prevent infection from the common subtypes of the HPV virus) are also ‘real’ vaccines. The difference between those two vaccines compared to the polio vaccine is that they aren’t a necessity to get – but polio is.

        • Mayhem

          I’ll slap you silly with Polio research if you don’t pull your head in. And just so you know, Medical Student, you are up against me. This is a threat.

          I left school before my 16th birthday with a 75% avg in the 5 basic subjects. We called it School Certificate. What ever that is in Americastanian. I served a 3 yr trade where I learned to fabricate amazing and beautiful things from steel. I am a Welder. Now I think I know everything.

          I will embarrass you with Truth till you sneak off whimpering and I will be ashamed a little for gloating over you.


          Anything I can clarify for you?

        • BEEF SUPREME


          You’re dealing with a cat in Mr. Med Student who does not believe that there is a global conspiracy to enact a one world government. He thinks the New World Order is all a hoot and a holler.

          Be gentle with him. He’s fragile. You could inflict permanent damage very easily.

          (Let me go get some popcorn and pull up a chair.)

        • Medical Student


          Your schooling background is adorable. Let me give you mine so there’s some credibility behind my claims about science and medicine.

          I am Canadian, not American – I currently reside in America for my medical education, and might even practice here. I finished high school after graduating from a program called International baccalaureate – with honors. I applied to 5 leading Canadian Universities and was accepted to all (except 1 program) with scholarships. I finished my four year medical science/biology degree a year early. Currently I am finishing up my last week of my 2nd year program at an American Medical school.

          So please don’t try and school me in science, because in two years you won’t be given a degree to save people’s lives – I will. (unless you think doctors are the scum of the earth as well)

        • Mayhem

          Excellent now that we have the credentials out of the way we can carry on with the Polio debate. I applaud your education, Medical Student, the International Baccalaureat is a good and prestigious basic foundation in the fundamentals of learning.

          Alright we got the “you want to kill all the Babies” part out of the way. Now what? I think all Doctors are “the scum of the earth”?

          Silly boy how could I say any such thing and not expect to get laughed at. I’m hoping that many are really good people but just a little mis-guided and blinded by the same system that tries to control all. The powers that be are about to be made redundant by Truth.

          We are in the right place now anyway. Polio! Mr Student your thoughts and please evidence that the Polio vaccine has any skerrick of credibility would be an advantage for you. You seem to need a little help. 3-0 is it not?

        • Mayhem

          Beef Supreme the wise kind and enlightened.

          It is so hard not to gloat when one can announce their own tactic only to watch the fool leap right on in with both feet stuck firmly in their mouth.

          I need help with the Way and the Life let alone the Truth.

      • Mayhem

        Not with you either mate.

        The vaccination industry only provides mad science with an earn and that is all it has ever done. It is a myth and a hoax and it is evil at all levels. I wish it were not so but sadly this is True.

        Be well.

    • tanya

      Before they started these epidemics, there were no need for vaccines.Throughout many years scientists have used vaccines as a weapon to spread syphilis, cancer, HIV, allergies, amongst many other things. I am an RN and even I know vaccines are BS. I have two sons one of them vaccined and the other non vaccinated after becoming educated and my son who is not vaccinated is so healthy looking and is stronger than the average one year old. He is even stronger than my seven-year-old. lol.

      • Mayhem


      • Medical Student

        This is the third time i’m posting the same comment as it’s been deleted multiple times. Sorry, but I call b.s. on your credentials. An RN would NEVER SAY what you just said, unless all your degrees are faked like in ‘catch me if you can’.

        • Mayhem

          I thought you had nothing more to say. Your rules or some such.

          Good morning Mr Student would you care to join me in Mr Dennen’s thread? You and I can give him 20,000 views today.

          Did you find the graph I asked for? Polio incidence 1900-2000.

        • Medical Student

          I’m typing this comment out of courtesy – so you can understand what I meant before (not that it’s hard as I clearly typed it out).

          I’m just not arguing anymore you @middle-aged-Mayhem along with @James Smith. I will continue to respond on this forum when I have time (believe it or not we med students have a lot of studying to do) – and if someone actually contradicts something I’ve said with a proven resource or contradicts an established theory in science.

          Btw, to anyone that keeps asking me for evidence – my stance on vaccines is the current standard of the world. Asking me to defend that is like asking someone to prove the world is a sphere – why don’t you try and prove it’s flat? It is up to you to defend your views on vaccines – preferably with peer reviewed, double blinded, case-control studies. I don’t have to prove that all vaccines are effective – that can only be done by educating yourselves, i’m not here to provide a free medical education.

        • Mayhem

          @Tanya! Respect.

          While we are on the topic of registered nurses, the true backbone of the medical profession by the way, I have a story I must share with you all but it will cost me some memories that I try not to dwell upon.

          I’d have to check my dates but it was just before I became a solo parent after allowing my issues to ruin my marriage to the greatest friend I have known. Greatest friend for a girl that is :razz: Girl Cooties!

          Well now it came to be that I lived with a family while I was working in their area. I stayed some two years and got to know them well. In the house there was a young man (now passed away) who suffered brain swelling within 3 days of the mixed multi vaccine. I know it had nothing to do with his vaccination all the doctors told the child s mother this and surely they wouldn’t lie.

          All this had happened long before I met them. Righty oh then this innocent had one function in life (well maybe 3) after being ruined and that was to scream at nearly the top of his voice every waking moment of every day. Eventually his mother had to make the decision to have the childs vocal chords cut. Keep in mind my young friend was incoherent as it was. Try to place yourself in this mothers shoes have you seen the artwork ‘The Scream’ by Edvard Munch? I live with that horror in my head.

          To witness this young man not really silenced but just quietened down a bit was one of the most harrowing yet inspiring things I had ever seen. Apparently whenever I walked into his presence you could catch a momentary hesitation and see this young man smile and scream. They told me this is the first time other than jamming a spoon full of baby food in his gob that he did anything other than scream or draw breath.

          His own mother, who blamed herself without mercy, could not illicit this reaction. I had to bear her anger and share her sadness as she beat her fists against me wailing “Who do you think you are. Why does my son not smile for me?” It was almost more than I could take and even though I had not surrendered my will yet thankfully I could be there for this family.

          My resolve is steeled Mr Student and to answer one of my own questions I have all day, sunshine, all day to chase you around. I don’t actually want you to leave as you Sir are the vehicle of choice for me to get this message out.

          I will bring it and lots of it. You bit the tail of the sleeping dragon.

          FEEL MY SCORN!

        • Mayhem

          Again don’t flatter yourself Mr Student. Whether you engage me or not makes absolutely no difference to me and I’m guessing little difference to the people watching this debate.

          You Sir said “I don’t have to prove that all vaccines are effective” Oh really?

          I make my drug dealer prove what he’s selling is going to do what he says it will. I make my Tinned peaches supplier prove that there’s only peach, water and sugar in his tins. What planet are you from Mr Student?

          Okay you win I’ll go get the graph. Be patient I’ll be back soon to beat you around the head and shoulders with statistics.

          ps you know whats said about statistics don’t you? There are lies, bare faced lies and then there are statistics. I taught myself all about statistics. Be afraid.

        • Mayhem

          I will not allow you the satisfaction of justifying this to yourself.

          “I”……….. I am the only one who has asked you for evidence as I recall. I even gave you the search engine phrase to make it easy for you.

          One more thing stupid. Your flat earth theory does not and can not apply to this debate. It is merely your current distraction technique and you have made yourself appear foolish by trying such. I better explain it for you dummy.

          Some said the earth was flat despite evidence to the contrary. I say vaccines are a crock and there is no evidence to the contrary in fact there is mounting evidence of the harm this mad science has perpetuated. You Sir are the flat earther. What’s that 5-0 now I think?

          You, Mr Student, have been repeatedly warned by me to bring all of your skill to this debate because you will need it. Currently I’m towing you around by my apron strings while you sulk about how thrilled you are with all of the attention.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          I have a question for MEDICAL STUDENT.

          Can you please explain to me why medical doctors in the Western World are asked to swear an oath to the son of Satan? Apollo is the son of Jupiter (Zeus). Jupiter (Zeus) is nothing more than an alternate representation of an entity from Greek (and Roman) perspective.

          So what gives STUDENT. Why do you ‘doctors’ have to swear an oath to pagan gods? Explain this Hippocratic Oath if you would.

          I can’t wait for an answer to this question. I will be terribly disappointed if you fail to address this query directly. (But I won’t be surprised in the least.)

        • Mayhem

          Comfy Mr Student?

          Please cast your well trained mind on the incidence chart that I took 45 seconds to find. Pay particular attention to the date that Salk invented the vaccine for Poliomyelitis 1950.

          Wanna start going down the herd immunity angle yet?

        • Mayhem

          Oopsie forgot the link.

          Who’s looking like the mad hatter now.

          I’m off to Korero with a dear friend over Porridge. (oatmeal to the backward world)

        • Mayhem

          Sorry you probably could figure out what I was having for breakfast but did you glean the rest of my message?

          Tena koe mofo!

        • Mayhem

          Tena koutou, tena koutou, tena koutou Katoa.

          Tehei maoriora! Ameni.

          Kia kaha.

        • Mayhem

          That Maori phrase, in case you’ve been scratching your heads means what I MEAN IT TO BE but go nuts with your translators you’ll find that it’s not literal but not false by any means.

          I said…

          “Hello, how are you, welcome, this is my strength.”

          “Nothing matters except the breath of life. I speak Truth”

          “Be strong.”

          Such a beautiful tribe and such fierce warriors like would make a Scotsman blush. Put “Who taut the world trench warfare” or “which race invented agriculture” into your favourite search engine. Gauge the esteem with which the Maori Battalion were held in both world wars I think. Nearly bought the british empire to a hault and ended up treatising with her majesty. Who else managed to do that huh? If they had but one voice they would have found the poms derisable and tossed them from Aotearoa. They see themselves as temporal custodians of their lands and left alone they had achieved a glorious harmony with nature.

          I am not one of them. Arohanui.

    • Rick Carufel

      In the latest outbreak of Chicken Pox doctors have determined that 97% of the sick children were vaccinated. Of course the spin will be that the virus has mutated and there needs to be more useless vaccinations to prevent corporate profits from falling.

      • Medical Student

        Show me your source for this information. And also – viruses do mutate – if that was the case here. If they didn’t – then humans would have wiped them out many, many years ago.

        • Mayhem

          Don’t flatter yourself. I am incredulous at the arrogance of the medical profesion. (note the Cap’s)

        • Anonymous

          wow – you must be the only pretend medical student that hasnt worked out how to do research…

          thats a basic part of things i thought, and you cant even use the google.. epic fail… theres plenty of reports that show growing numbers of people opting out of vaccinations.. you know why? because of all the evidence freely available that shows vaccines dont necessarily work, and often have the opposite adverse effect than what it was meant for…

          who do you think youre fooling here doogie?

    • Max

      This tory is a scandle. No other words to describe it. Millions dead, millions of autistice children. I don’t beleive in the death penalty but in this case – “vacinate” the vaccine makers! :twisted:

      • Medical Student

        Millions of autistic children as a result of vaccines? That one made me laugh.

        Btw, it’s autistic and not autistice.

        • Mayhem

          Dis-info shill agent right here. :evil:

        • BEEF SUPREME


          He’s just plugged into the Matrix is all.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          Pop his cherry Mayhem. Pull his cord.

        • Mayhem

          Thank you Fat and fatherless one.

          Your counsel reminded me that ‘Medical Student’ may be simply mis-guided, hopefully not ignorant and please, please don’t let him be getting paid to defend this evil industry.

          If there was just one shred of evidence that showed any merit at all in vaccines I would present it to you here and now. It’s not for lack of trying that I cannot find any such information let me tell you. This is why I can be as defiant as I am. How does he like me now I wonder.

          INJECT NOTHING! The skin barrier is there for a reason.

        • Medical Student

          This is funny. I know i’m going against my own rule of ceasing conversation – but it’s funny how you can call me the ignorant and claim that there’s no shred of evidence that vaccines work.

          It seems like you’re living in a cave, or at least used to for a long period of time. Maybe that ozone layer that’s all tore up above your nation – is starting to effect your brain.

          But go ahead – preach your ‘vaccines are evil’ garbage to others that might not know better. Seriously though, I feel like that guy that claimed the earth was a sphere – when everyone thought it was flat.

          And…”don’t inject anything – the skin is a barrier for a reason”? Good luck getting a blood transfusion if you ever need it (though I hope you don’t), or dialysis, or you know any of the prophylactic vaccines surgeons administer before a surgery.

          Anyways, I promise this is my last response to you now. Good luck with life, Middle-aged-Mayhem, the welder turned infectious disease specialist. I really really hope that you had (or will have) your kids vaccinated, for their sake.

        • Anonymous

          @ pretend med student

          take your unqualified opinion, a nice bug syringe.. and shove it – you gormless lumpen

        • Mayhem

          …and here I thought it was my tin foil hat.

          All you had to do, Mr Medical Student, was show us one shred.

          By your own words you do fall before me. I make no judgement. You show me all I need to see of you.

          Good day Sir and good riddance. 4-0 I believe.

          Oh the poor innocent Chilluns. I tell you true it is so sad what we have done. You can look and find what I have seen and what I know about vaccination and vivisection but you will need to be mighty thick skinned.

          This very thing YHWH the Most High knew before me. He commanded me to know this Truth and it is a terrible burden that I really could have done without. I cry.

        • Mayhem

          One more thing before I run out of the words I was given today.

          If an injection has anything to do with “The Golden Hour” then it comes down to personal choice.

          I don’t appreciate your sullen attempt, Mr Student, to make me out to be the bad guy somehow. You have been trained and you know how to learn so you have no excuse. I will not allow you to justify this to yourself by erroneously attributing anything other than what really went on here. Build a bridge sister or bring something to the table tomorrow. Bi-atch.

          Own your fear Bro and seek Truth.

          ps you can put that quote in a search engine I won’t mind.

        • Mayhem

          Or were we too mean and nasty, Mr Student?

          Is that why you can’t debate this because of all the hatred and rage that is clearly shown throughout this thread. Eh? Is it pointless debating reasonable and rational people? That’s Sarcasm since you obviously need help with the basics. Anyway till tomorrow Poodles sleep tight!

          ps some watch these debates without participating. They saw too.

    • corpofacistcommudemacracy

      id say about 60 to 75% of vaccines are real and that other portion bs (some untested,some bought in, and there is another portion that can cause different things in different people( just like medicine, street drugs, and plant based medicine) and i believe a portion of those cases can be completely useless and/or cut with some nasty chemicals (possibly with by-products from other industries these ‘mistakes’*cough,cough* happen in other industries so they probably happen in vaccinations) i even think its a possibility that might be where i picked up the skin condition hyperhydrosis from a vaccination when i was in middle school i do not remember which but i think it was a booster and i know many people who have had ranging reactions from allergic reactions to causing some pretty weird disease to single and multiple co infections and this release of these sadistic vaccines are more than likely controlled
      now this is hypothetical but it is backed with truth and from my personal experiences across some of my hobby studies(lol easily over 2500 hours spread across the board but by no part evenly even though my plant based medicine, military weapons [from knives to aircraft carriers and every ship gun melee primitive weapons tanks and aircraft in between] and last in these list but by far not the only… prospecting ) so i can tell you im pretty sure this isnt all right but i’m not exactly uneducated in the medicine subject and i know parts of this is the truth

    • whitebear

      As per the CDC

      Common substances found in vaccines include:

      Aluminum gels or salts of aluminum which are added as adjuvants to help the vaccine stimulate a better response. Adjuvants help promote an earlier, more potent response, and more persistent immune response to the vaccine.

      See also: “Aluminum in Vaccines: What you should know”External Web Site Policy Adobe Acrobat print-friendly PDF file [ 579KB / 2 pages] Also available in SpanishExternal Web Site Policy Adobe Acrobat print-friendly PDF file [579KB / 2 pages]

      Antibiotics which are added to some vaccines to prevent the growth of germs (bacteria) during production and storage of the vaccine. No vaccine produced in the United States contains penicillin.

      Egg protein is found in influenza and yellow fever vaccines, which are prepared using chicken eggs. Ordinarily, persons who are able to eat eggs or egg products safely can receive these vaccines.

      Formaldehyde is used to inactivate bacterial products for toxoid vaccines, (these are vaccines that use an inactive bacterial toxin to produce immunity.) It is also used to kill unwanted viruses and bacteria that might contaminate the vaccine during production. Most formaldehyde is removed from the vaccine before it is packaged.

      Monosodium glutamate (MSG) and 2-phenoxy-ethanol which are used as stabilizers in a few vaccines to help the vaccine remain unchanged when the vaccine is exposed to heat, light, acidity, or humidity.

      Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative that is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose to prevent contamination and growth of potentially harmful bacteria.

      So they justify the added poison as if it has nothing to do with human health.
      How nice.

    • Mayhem

      @milakunis 6:56 PM

      “what Don answered…”

      What? Time to wipe the ‘most recent’ comments again with ya spam? Don’t like Truth huh?

      • Mayhem

        Hey folks please use the @somebody hash tag. I’m a little on edge as it is. Perhaps over sensitive might be the better term. Please help me filter so that I know clearly what is being addressed and to whom. Otherwise post yourselves numb.


    • Anonymous

      thanks for this! I’m in Argentina and have decided with my wife NOT to do it to our baby boy (he’s 9 months old).. we just found out about this vaccine hoax about a year ago and since then started investigating and going to talks about it.. what’s really shocking to me is that nobody even cares to question doctors or even wonder what’s in the shots they’re taking.. so again, thanks for this! :)

      • Mayhem

        That’s part of the plan. Don’t question authority “we love you” “trust us”. Be strong and trust your conscience not me.

        As scared as we are to want to protect out children listen to the little voice that say’s ‘it sure don’t sound right to me to stab my children with a weakened strain of any disease’.

        Learn every Truth, and there are many, and tell everyone so that Good will triumph over evil.

        • Mayhem


    • Anonymous

      “If that ‘anonymous’ comment was aimed at myself – then i wish I were getting paid to educate others around me – that way I could start paying off my university loans.”

      your getting paid to spread misinformation… youre educating no-one.

      youre also fooling no-one – but yourself.

    • Anonymous

      @ medical student ( yeah right… good one ) stop pretending vaccines are safe

      • Medical Student

        Excellent website there, very credible. The mind control section is truly interesting – and by that I mean get a better article to support your claims (a peer reviewed article).

        • Mayhem

          This is between you and me Mr Student. I have appointed myself as champion of the “Vaccination fraud is over” debate. I survive this role on my wits you will recall me mentioning.

          Polio Sir! You mentioned it first and yes you have mentioned many others since. I will gladly tick them all off one at a time but for the moment I wish you to show me the effect of the vaccine and it’s science on the disease known as Polio.

          Perhaps you could start by defining Science for me.

          ps it’s only 7 words don’t give yourself a nose bleed eh?

        • Anonymous

          as unreliable as wikipedia is.. they even know mind control is real..

          you should too fool.

        • Mayhem

          Here we go you won’t be around much longer I guess. Glad you removed that Hugh Laurie picture from your Avatar. That was rather disrespectful of you. Perhaps you do have one redeeming characteristic in that you can feel shame.

          I’ll wait a while so all the folk can tell me themselves that I don’t have the right to speak on EVERYONE”S behalf in this debate. Anyone?

          Till then it’s you and me. Get creative with the names buddy you have a way to go yet. Accused of being a pedophile is the lowest effort so far. See if you can top that. Or just get back on topic. Polio.

          I’ll help you. The vaccine for Poliomyelitis was invented in 1950. Please provide the graph covering the Polio incidence covering 50 years either side of the introduction of said vaccine.

          I defy you.

        • Medical Student


          I guess you guys have learned the google search function. Here’s a tip though – you actually need to read the article you put out to support your point.

          By that I mean just because they tried to research mind control – there were no conclusive results.

          (this Middle-aged-mayhem dude has made me very irritable today – so excuse my tone).

        • Mayhem

          It’s getting late for you, Medical Student. We could continue this tomorrow perhaps when every one has had a chance to take a deep breath. You can find me the graph of that data set I asked for in the meantime.

          There is another thread available.


          Hope you don’t mind Mr Deenen?

          ps my apologies @Anon did I go off half cocked?

        • Anonymous

          @ pretend med student

          ” there were no conclusive results. ” yeah.. keep telling yourself that.. do it over and over and over… but it wont make what you say true

          piss off idiot.. offensive tone intended. you try too hard… didnt they give you lessons in not going overboard at shill school…

          noone here cares for your unqualified opinion.. theyve heard it all before.. ad nauseam..

          do the world a favour.. go choke yourself

        • Mayhem

          I directed this at Mr Students post.

          “Excellent website there, very credible. The mind control section is truly interesting – and by that I mean get a better article to support your claims (a peer reviewed article).”

          Lets see where it lands.

          ps I wonder if my new toy has any idea how long I can keep this up. Ask KOS the self appointed, ask Peter Santilli, ask Tila Tequila, ask Psychodark, ask Santillis Sidekick, ask ANYBODY.

          Goodnight and yes I feel terrible gloating but it works like billy O in these debates. (oops outs himself again but hopes THEY won’t notice)

      • Mayhem

        Halloo! (Shh they’ll think you’re mad)


        • Mayhem

          I directed the tried and true Bump! @Anonymous who said…

          “@ medical student ( yeah right… good one ) stop pretending vaccines are safe”

          I’m trying to learn the fine art of this blogsite excuse me.

    • anonymous

      @everyone—-most of you do nothing but aid and abet the globalists, first to enslave all, then to slowly kill 6.5 billion of you. You all are so smart you can’t see. Must be all that filled up brain matter clogging things.

    • Anonymous

      @ those who want to know

      Avian Flu News, Facts

      • Medical Student


        That website doesn’t provide unbiased knowledge. You can’t call all their claims facts. These are better:

        • Mayhem

          All day bi-atch @Medical Student.

          All information is biased you twit. Gee you must really believe your handlers. I’m thinking no one has told you lot about the new toy. It’s called the Interweb. The Truth will bite all of you flat earthers right nice in your arse.

          A discerning person might look at all sides of the evidence and form their own conclusion.

          I repeat. Many off us here have read the ‘Disinformation for beginners’ guide. We know you will make generalised points that are difficult to discredit. This my friend is why my current post is in agreement with your premise that information may well have it’s own agenda.

          Now back on topic. Polio. Have you had a look at that graph yet? Take your time because I have baited a trap and I’m going to do a double whammy on you with that particular chart.

          Hold on tight petal. :razz: Wanna see my score card? I got 6-0!!!

        • Medical Student

          I want to avoid getting sucked into an ever long conversation – but your points are so irrevocably stupid – I can’t resist.

          You admit you do illegal drugs, and yet you have the audacity to question my intelligence in my area of expertise. Did your drug dealer teach you math as well – or was that something you learned yourself also? 6-0 – that’s a hoot and a half. Go score some more coke or w/e it is you do you fiend.

          I can’t believe anyone could side with you – the most devastating blows to your arguments – you provided yourself. You admit you have no expertise in the field – but rather you’re a laborer. You have barely any knowledge of the scientific method, and hence can’t tell a bad article from a good one. You claim to know everything – if that isn’t a sure fire sign of your outrageous ignorance, I don’t know what is. And actually, not all information is biased. But i’m pretty sure this website – ‘wanttoknow’ is more biased than the Mayo Clinic. Get a clue man. I’ve been patient – I counter your points with facts and you throw articles at me with really really bad references and a sole author, and an almost perverse twisting around of facts. And here I thought you had some magic card up your sleeve.

          Here’s the only compliment I’m willing to give you – you’re the most articulate of all the ignorant people I’ve seen on this site so far.

          I’m guessing a ton of your friends on this site are now going to jump down my throat for a variety of reasons. That will really amuse me.

          I’ll leave you with this final point: you think you’ve done your research, which is very cute and adorable. But just because you learned how your car engine works, DOES NOT mean you’re a rocket scientist. Let us big boys take care of the important stuff. I’ll come to you when I need something made out of steel.

        • Mayhem

          I’ll read that again in a minute, Sucker, gee you are a piss easy target Mr Student.

          The drug dealer thing was humour, we all know this, it is your laughable error that proves it fool. I used drugs and tinned peaches as my two metaphor. Get it?

          Anyway I’ll be back soon to rip you up some more. Oh BTW breakfast was a blessing for which I am undyingly grateful. Thanks for asking.

          ps I lost a cool post about that graph. Now I’ll have to peck it out again. Don’t die of old age waiting for me. Tootles!

        • Mayhem

          Anecdotal would be the term. I thought you had skill Sir.

          Imagine my disappointment?

          @Medical Student.

        • Mayhem

          May I suggest.


          To hold me to this thread is a confusion distraction technique. You are hoping everyone has gone and left us to it. Have a look at the stat counters please. This is on bi-atch you accepted my challenge to match wits now lets get her done.

        • Mayhem

          ….and thank you Medical Student you pay me great honour with your compliment. I hand your award on to my editor in chief who deserves all of the glory.

          I want to close on this thread and twice I have shown you that there is a viable alternative. One last thing… I have never met any one from B4IN thus it is impossible that they are my friends yet.

    • JayWill

      If anybody is having problems with their comments being wiped, contact me at [email protected] Thanks.

    • amazonmama13

      it wasn’t aspirin that killed 19 million… it was a super typhoid “vaccine” which killed them. There was a typhus epidemic and the first vaccine they tried didn’t work, so they “enhanced” it, killing 19 million in the process… but of course, to lay blame on something other than their “drugs”, they called it the “flu” and since they were upset with Spain at the time, called it the ‘spanish flu’. Can give u a url if you want… some doctor/researcher did a piece on it…

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