Latino Immigrant Myths Shock Readers
Daily, comments posted under Mexican border issue articles demonstrate high-level mind-control, xenophobia and myths not facts. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s hate speech has furthered myths and hate about immigrants possibly more than any other public figure since Hitler. Asking the people making shocking statements for their references results in either no answer or a source proven to be racist, hate-based, sometimes even “Christian”-based – but never credible. To aid in recognizing disinformation and disinformation operatives leading people to believe lies, thus dividing Americans and their great nation, the list below contains typical myths deliberately, emphatically repeated to increase ignorance and hate among Americans. Each listed myth is refuted with factual information.
Remember: 1. A vast difference exists between patriotism and xenophobia. Pathological patriotism is a new normal as dangerous today as during the Nazi Germany era. 2. Disinformation is a military weapon of war. It is required to sustain today’s America-led, never-ending, obscenely profitable, so-called “war on terror.”
MYTH #1: Immigrants are a drain on our social services.
FACT #1: By paying taxes and Social Security, immigrants contribute far more to government coffers than they use in social services.
In its landmark report published in 1997—, arguably the most thorough national study to date of immigration’s fiscal impacts, —the National Research Council (NRC) of the National Academy of Sciences concluded that on average, immigrants generate public revenue that exceeds their public costs over time—approximately $80,000 more in taxes than they receive in state, federal and local benefits over their life times.1 This same conclusion was reached in 2007 by the Council of Economic Advisers in their report to the Executive Office of the President where they state that “the long-run impact of immigration on public budgets is likely to be positive,” and agree with the NRC report’s view that “only a forward-looking projection of taxes and government spending can offer an accurate picture of the long-run fiscal consequences of admitting new immigrants.”2
Not only is the main reason immigrants flee to the U.S. being for gainful employment, most non-citizens are not even eligible for the majority of welfare programs unless they are legal permanent residents and resided in the U.S. legally at least five years. This includes benefits such as Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), SSI, Medicaid, and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP).
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Noncitizens, according to government records, are much less likely than citizens to use benefits for which they are eligible. Example: immigrants, especially the undocumented, tend to use medical services much less than the average American.3 In fact, the average immigrant uses less than half the dollar amount of health care services as the average native-born citizen.4 The claim that immigrants account for high rates of emergency room (ER) visits is refuted by research; in fact, communities with high rates of ER usage tend to have relatively small percentages of immigrant residents.
Department of Agriculture reports prove noncitizens eligible for food stamps are significantly less likely to use them than all other individuals eligible. For example, about 45 percent of eligible noncitizens received food stamps in 2002, compared to almost 60 percent of eligible individuals overall.5
Most of the fiscal impact from immigration is felt at the state and local levels. The Council of Economic Advisors points out in its report to the Executive Office of the President that “the positive fiscal impact tends to accrue at the federal level, but the net costs tend to be concentrated at the state and local level,” which bear primary responsibility for providing not only health care but education.6
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Still, according to recent studies from a number of cities and states—including the states of Arizona, Texas, Minnesota, California, New York, North Carolina and Arkansas, and cities or counties of Chicago and Santa Clara—while the cost of educating the children of immigrants may be high, the overall economic benefits of immigrants to the states remain positive.7 A University of Illinois study found that undocumented immigrants in Chicago’s metropolitan area alone spent $2.89 billion in 2001, stimulating an additional $5.45 billion in total local spending and sustaining 31,908 jobs in the local economy.8
Immigrants boost the U.S. economy significantly. The Udall Center at the University of Arizona found fiscal costs of immigrants, starting with education totaled $1.41 billion in 2004, so, balanced against $1.64 billion in state tax revenue attributable to immigrants as workers, resulted in a fiscal gain of $222.6 million.9 Similarly, in its Special Report about undocumented immigrants in Texas, the Comptroller of Public Accounts found in 2005, that even counting costs associated with education, “the state revenues collected from undocumented immigrants exceed what the state spent on services, with the difference being $424.7 million.”10
Xenophobia, a treatable mental condition? “It can be a delusional symptom of psychotic disorders… Clearly, anyone who scapegoats a whole group of people and seeks to eliminate them to resolve his or her internal conflicts meets criteria for a delusional disorder, a major psychiatric illness.” Alvin F Poussaint, Professor of psychiatry
MYTH #2: Immigrants have a negative impact on the economy and the wages of citizens and take jobs away from citizens.
FACT #2: Immigration has a positive effect on the American economy as a whole and on the income of native-born workers.
In June 2007, the President’s Council of Economic Advisers (CEA) issued a report on “Immigration’s Economic Impact.” Based on a thorough review of the literature, the Council concluded that “immigrants not only help fuel the Nation’s economic growth, but also have an overall positive effect on the American economy as a whole and on the income of native-born American workers.”11 Among the report’s key findings were that, on average, U.S. natives benefit from immigration in that immigrants tend to complement natives, not substitute for them.
Immigrants have different skills, which allow higher-skilled native workers to increase productivity and thus increase their incomes. Also, as the native-born U.S. population becomes older and better educated, young immigrant workers fill gaps in the low-skilled labor markets.12
With respect to wages, in a 1997 study, the National Research Council estimated the annual wage gain due to immigration for U.S. workers to be $10 billion each year13 in 2007 CEA estimated the gain at over $30 billion per year.14 The CEA acknowledges that an increase in immigrant workers is likely to have some negative impact on the wages of low-skilled native workers, but they found this impact to be relatively small and went on to conclude that reducing immigration “would be a poorly-targeted and inefficient way to assist low-wage Americans.”15
In addition to having an overall positive affect on the average wages of American workers, an increase in immigrant workers also tends to increase employment rates among the native-born. According to a Pew Hispanic Center study, between 2000 and 2004 “there was a positive correlation between the increase in the foreign-born population and the employment of native-born workers in 27 states and the District of Columbia.” These states included all the major destination states for immigrants and together they accounted for 67% of all native-born workers.16 California, for example, saw an increase in wages of natives by about four percent from 1990 to 2004—a period of large influx of immigrants to the state—due to the complimentary skills of immigrant workers and an increase in the demand for tasks performed by native workers.17
MYTH #3: Immigrants—, particularly Latino immigrants—, don’t want to learn English.
FACT #3: Immigrants, including Latino immigrants, believe they need to learn English in order to succeed in the United States, and the majority uses at least some English at work.
Throughout our country’s history, critics of immigration have accused new immigrants of refusing to learn English and to otherwise assimilate. These charges are no truer today than then. As with prior waves of immigrants, there is a marked increase in English-language skills from one immigrant generation to the next.18 In a landmark longitudinal study of immigrants’ children, in 1992 Rambaut and Portes found “the pattern of linguistic assimilation prevails across nationalities.” The authors report “linguistic outcomes for the third generation—the grandchildren of the present wave of immigrants—will be little different than what has been the age-old pattern in American immigration history.”19
While many first-generation Latino immigrants cannot speak English, 88 percent of their U.S.-born adult children report they speak English very well.20 Studies show the number rises dramatically for each subsequent generation. Furthermore, similar to other immigrants, Latinos want to learn and believe they need to learn English to succeed in the United States, and believe they will be discriminated against if they don’t.21 Most Latino immigrants (67%) report using at least some English at work.22
California’s second-generation immigrants experience a large drop in “low levels of English proficiency” compared to first generation immigrants, from 27% to 6%, and the proportion of immigrants with high levels of English proficiency rises from 49% in the first generation to 79% in the second generation. The proportion of both Asian and Latino immigrants, who speak English exclusively rises from 10% in the first generation to 29% in the second and 94% in the third.23
Notwithstanding the current levels of English language acquisition for the newest wave of immigrants, there is a demand for English language classes that far exceeds the supply and which, if met, would greatly advance immigrants’ integration into American social and cultural life.
MYTH #4: Immigrants don’t want to become citizens.
FACT #4: Many immigrants to the United States seek citizenship, even in the face of difficult requirements and huge backlogs that can delay the process for years.
Most immigrants are ineligible to apply for citizenship until they: reside in the U.S. with lawful permanent resident status for five years, pass background checks, show they paid their taxes, are of “good moral character, demonstrate knowledge of U.S. history and civics, and can understand, speak and write English. In addition, they must pay a fee, which increased by 69% in 2007 from $400 to $675, making it much harder for low-income immigrants to reach their dream of becoming Americans.24
Despite these barriers, The Pew Hispanic Center’s report on U.S. Census data shows eligible immigrants who acquired citizenship rose to 52% in 2005, “highest level in a quarter of a century.”15 In the 2007 fiscal year, DHS received 1.4 million citizenship applications—nearly double from last fiscal year 26—and between June and July of 2007, naturalization applications increased 350% compared to last year.27 In his testimony to Congress, US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) Director, Emilio Gonzalez, referred to this increase as “unprecedented in the history of immigration services in our nation.”28
Yet, despite the promise by USCIS that backlogs would be eliminated, applications for naturalization can take a year and half to adjudicate and of the 1.4 applications it received in 2007, less than 660,000 have been decided.29
MYTH #5: Immigrants don’t pay taxes.
FACT #5: Almost all immigrants pay income taxes even though they can’t benefit from most federal and state local assistance programs and all immigrants pay sales and property taxes.
According to the 2005 Economic Report of the President, “more than half of all undocumented immigrants are believed to be working ‘on the books’…[and]… contribute to the tax rolls but are ineligible for almost all Federal public assistance programs and most major Federal-state programs.” According to the report, undocumented immigrants also “contribute money to public coffers by paying sales and property taxes (the latter are implicit in apartment rentals).”30
All immigrants (legal and undocumented) pay the same real estate taxes and the same sales and other consumption taxes as everyone else. The University of Illinois at Chicago found in 2002 that undocumented immigrants in the Chicago metro area spent $2.89 billion annually from their earnings and these expenditures generated $2.56 billion additional spending for the local economy.31
Legal immigrants pay income taxes and indeed many undocumented immigrants also pay income taxes or have taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks—even though they are unable to claim a tax refund, Social Security benefits or other welfare benefits that these taxes support. In the Chicago metro area for example, approximately seventy percent of undocumented workers paid payroll taxes, according to the University of Illinois study from 2002.32 In the Washington Metro Region, immigrants paid the same share of the region’s overall taxes (18 percent) as the rest of the population (17.4 percent), according to a 2006 Urban Institute study.33 This study points to the fact that immigrants’ tax payments support both local and state services plus to the federal government.
The Social Security Administration (SSA) holds that undocumented immigrants “account for a major portion” of the billions of dollars paid into the Social Security system—an estimated $520 billion as of October 2005.34 The SSA keeps a file called the “earnings suspense file” on all earnings with incorrect or fictitious Social Security numbers and the SSA’s chief actuary stated in 2005 that “three quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes.”35 Their figures show that the suspense file is growing by more than $50 billion a year, generating $6 to 7 billion in Social Security tax revenue and about $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes.
MYTH #6: Immigrants send all their money back to home countries instead of spending money here.
FACT #6: Immigrants do send money to family members, making it possible for more people to stay in their home countries rather than migrating to the U.S. Sending remittances home does not keep immigrants from spending money in the United States.
It’s true that remittances are the biggest sources of foreign currency for most Latin American countries and surpass any amount of foreign aid sent by the U.S. The money sent by immigrants to their family members allows many people to stay in their home countries who might otherwise feel compelled to migrate to the U.S.
And while 51 percent of Latino immigrants send remittances home,36 they are spending their money in the United States as well. In fact, a 1998 study found that immigrants become net economic contributors after 10 to 15 years in the U.S.37
In addition to paying taxes and Social Security, immigrants spend money on goods and services in the United States. A study of Latino immigrants in California found significant gains in home ownership between those who had been in this country for ten years (16.4 percent are homeowners) and those who had been here for over thirty years (64.6 percent).38 Furthermore, a 2002 Harvard University study of U.S. Census data found that there were more than 5.7 million foreign- born homeowners in the United States.39 The study found that foreign-born new homeowners are buying their homes by saving more than native-born homebuyers and stretching their incomes more.
While homeownership nationally was approximately 69% in 2006, it was 60% for Asians and 50% for Latinos—each group with large immigrant populations and therefore greater impediments to obtaining bank loans.40 Although homeownership is largely correlated with legal status in the U.S., undocumented immigrants are also buying into the “American Dream” of homeownership in some of the most expensive housing markets in the country.41
MYTH #7: Immigrants bring crime to our cities and towns.
FACT #7: Immigrants are far less likely to commit crimes than native-born counterparts. Even as the undocumented population increased in the U.S., crime rates decreased — significantly.
According to a 2000 report prepared for the U.S. Department of Justice, immigrants maintain low crime rates even when faced with adverse social conditions, such as low income and low education level.42
Although incarceration rates are highest among young low-income men and many immigrants arriving in the U.S. are young men with low levels of education, incarceration rates among young men are invariably lower for immigrants than native-born counterparts. This is true across every ethnic group. The differences, however, are especially noticeable among Mexicans, Salvadorans and Guatemalans, — constituting the majority of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. Even in cities with the largest immigrant populations, such as New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Miami, violent and non-violent crime rates have continued to decline.43
Even after accounting for higher deportation rates since the mid-1990′s, and reviewing 1980 and 1990 censuses, the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) ascertained: “18-40 year-old male immigrants have lower institutionalization rates than the native born each year…and by 2000, immigrants have institutionalization rates that are one-fifth those of the native born.”44 In fact, according to the NBAR study, newly arrived immigrants are particularly unlikely to be involved in crime.
Cities like Hazleton, Pennsylvania have tried blaming a new wave of immigrants supposed rise in crime. Hazleton’s own crime statistics taken from Pennsylvania State Police, however, prove overall crime there decreased and now, is less than half the national average.45
MYTH #8: Most immigrants are undocumented and have crossed the border illegally.
FACT #8: Two thirds of immigrants are here lawfully: naturalized citizens or other completely lawful status. Almost half of all undocumented immigrants entered the United States legally. According to the Pew Hispanic Center, one third of all immigrants are undocumented, one third have some form of legal status and one third are naturalized citizens. This applies to immigrants from Latin America and other countries.46 Almost half of all undocumented immigrants entered the U.S. on visas that allowed them to reside temporarily as tourists, students, or temporary workers — subject to inspection by immigration officials before entering the country.47 They became undocumented only after their visas expired and they remained.
MYTH #9: Weak border enforcement has led to high undocumented immigration rates. We should increase enforcement and build a wall around our border.
FACT #9: Increased border security and constructing border fences have done little to curb the immigrant flow across the U.S. border. Instead, these policies only succeeded in pushing border crossers into dangerous and less-patrolled regions, and increasing the undocumented population by creating incentive for immigrants not to leave.
Building a wall along the entire 2000-mile southern U.S. border would be prohibitively expensive. Research shows that rather than being a deterrent to people attempting to cross the border, increased enforcemen has already succeeded in pushing immigration flows into more remote, less patrolled regions, thus tripling the death rate at the border, decreasing apprehensions, and creating a dramatic taxpayer money increase spent on border arrests (from $300 per arrest in 1992 to $1,200 per arrest in 2002).48
Increased border enforcement increased the undocumented immigrants rate in the U.S. Increased risk and cost to immigrants of crossing the border resulted in fewer undocumented immigrants returning to home countries for periods, as part of the decades-long circular migration patterns characterizing undocumented immigration from Mexico until the 1990s. Instead, immigrants stay in the U.S. longer, often choosing to immigrate their families to avoid longer separation periods.49
The Secure Fence Act of 2006 directed the Department of Homeland Security to construct 850 miles of additional border fencing. According to a Congressional Research Services report, the San Diego fence, combined with increased border patrol agents in the area, succeeded in decreasing border crossing in that region, but there is considerable evidence that the flow of illegal immigration simply shifted to the more remote areas of the Arizona desert, decreasing the apprehensions and increasing the cost.50
MYTH #10: Immigrants are bringing diseases into the U.S.
FACT #10: Although people claim undocumented immigrants have brought diseases to the U.S., including measles, hepatitis C, HIV, tuberculosis, and even ebola, their allegations are not supported by science or medicine. No evidence exists that immigrants have been the source of any modern outbreaks in the U.S. According to the World Health Organization, 113 countries, including many in Latin America, have higher vaccination rates for 1-year-olds than the U.S. (Mexico has a 99 percent vaccination rate for measles; Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador have around a 93 percent vaccination rate. The U.S. vaccination rate, by comparison, is approximately 92 percent.) The vast majority of immigrants arriving in the U.S. have been screened for health issues, more so than native counterparts.
MYTH #11: Terrorists are infiltrating the U.S. by coming across the border with Mexico.
FACT #11: No evidence exists regarding terrorists entering the U.S. through the border with Mexico.
The Department of Homeland Security said “the suggestion that individuals that have ties to ISIL have been apprehended at the southwest border is categorically false, and not supported by any credible intelligence or facts on the ground.” According to a 2015 report by U.S Department of State, Bureau of Counterterrorism, “there are no known international terrorist organizations operating in Mexico, despite several erroneous reports to the contrary during 2014.” The fact: The vast majority of U.S. residents linked to terror since 2002 are U.S. citizens.
MYTH #12: All undocumented immigrants sneak across the Mexican border, so they blatantly broke the law.
FACT #12: One third to half of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. overstayed their visitor, student, or work visas. They entered the U.S. with lawful documentation and only later became undocumented.
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References
1 National Research Council, The New Americans:Economic, Demographic, and Fiscal Effects of Immigration, ed. James P. Smith and Barry Edmonston (Washington, D.C.:National Academy Press, 1997).
2 Council of Economic Advisers, “Immigration’s Economic Impact,” Washington, D.C. June 20, 2007.
3 Rand Corporation. “Rand Study Shows Relatively Little Public Money Spent Providing Health Care to Undocumented Immigrants,” November 2006. http://www.rand.org/news/press.06/11.14.html
4 Center for Studying Health System Change. “What Accounts for Differences in the Use of Hospital Emergency Departments Across U.S. Communities?” Prepared by Peter Cunningham, Health Affairs, July 18, 2006.
5 Department of Agriculture. “Characteristics of Food Stamp Households: Fiscal Year 2003,” Prepared by Karen Cunnygham (Mathematica Policy Research Inc.), November 2004.
6 Council of Economic Advisers, “Immigration’s Economic Impact,” Washington, D.C. June 20, 2007.
7 Arizona: http://udallcenter.arizona.edu/programs/immigration/publications/impact_judy.pdf California: http://www.labor.ca.gov/panel/impactimmcaecon.pdf
Chicago: http://www.uic.edu/cuppa/uicued/npublications/recent/undoc_full.pdf
Las Vegas: http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Apr-17-Thu-2003/news/21129278.html Minnesota: http://www.auditor.leg.state.mn.us/Ped/pedrep/ecoimpact.pdf
New York: http://www.fiscalpolicy.org/immigration2007.html
North Carolina: http://www.kenan-flagler.unc.edu/assets/documents/2006_KenanInstitute HispanicStudy.pdf
South Carolina: http://www.sph.sc.edu/cli/documents/CMAReport0809.pdf Texas: http://www.ailf.org/ipc/spotlight/spotlight_122206.pdf
8 Center for Urban Economic Development, University of Illinois at Chicago. “Chicago’s Undocumented Immigrants: An Analysis of Wages, Working Conditions, and Economic Contributions,” Chirag Mehta, Nik Theodore, Iliana Mora & Jennifer Wade, February 2002. http://www.uic.edu/cuppa/uicued/Publications/RECENT/undoc_full.pdf
9 Udall Center for Studies in Public Policy. The University of Arizona. “The Economic Impacts of Immigrants in Arizona,” Judith Gans. July 2007.
10 Office of the Comptroller, Texas. “Undocumented Immigrants in Texas:A Financial Anaylsis of the Impact to the State Budget and Economy.” Special Report. Carole Keeton Strayhorn. Dec. 2006.
11 Council of Economic Advisers. Executive Office of the President. “Immigration’s Economic Impact,” Washington, D.C. June 20, 2007. http://www.whitehouse.gov/cea/cea_immigra- tion_062007.html
12 American Immigration Law Foundation. “Rethinking the Effects of Immigration on Wages: New Data and Analysis from 1990-2004,” Giovanni Peri, October 2006. http://www.ailf.org/ipc/infocus/infocus_10306.pdf
13 National Research Council, The New Americans:Economic, Demographic, and Fiscal Effects of Immigration, ed. James P. Smith and Barry Edmonston (Washington, D.C.:National Academy Press, 1997).
14 Council of Economic Advisers. Executive Office of the President. “Immigration’s Economic Impact,” Washington, D.C. June 20, 2007. http://www.whitehouse.gov/cea/cea_immigra- tion_062007.html
15 Ibid Center for Re
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Cato Institute: Immigration and Crime—What the Research Says
Tani, Maxwell. CDC Official Dismisses Claim that Undocumented Immigrants Bring Measles Into the U.S.
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Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy: Undocumented Immigrants’ State & Local Tax Contribution
Immigrant Entrepreneurs and Small Business Owners and Their Access to Financial Capital
Selby, Gardner W. Judicial Watch Says ISIS operating a camp in Mexico—near El Paso
Kaplan, Rebecca. Homeland Security Says Terrorists Haven’t Crossed U.S.-Mexico Border
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Riley, Jason. The Mythical Connection Between Immigrants and Crime
Factcheck.org: Trump’s Immigration Plan
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1. Illegal immigrants do not pay taxes are participate in tax provision systems such as social security. Our liberal leaders however, allow them be paid by such programs. They DO leech the system. No one is complaining about legal immigrants. You’re intentionally confusing illegal and legal in order to defend your inaccurate position. Shame.
2. Immigrants typically will work for less money. This is why large companies “import” green card carrying legals to fulfill roles in their businesses. Disney is a prime example of this practice. So no, you are feeding us an inaccuracy once more. Immigrants both legal and illegal will work for cheaper rates of pay and this hurts skilled and unskilled American workers.
3. Why do all of my groceries now have Spanish on them? Because immigrants won’t learn English and there’s so many here now they are making up a massive segment of our population. Your entire claim here is bunk.
4. They do NOT want to be citizens because then they have to pay taxes to both states and federal government as well as social security. Why would they want to do that when they get all the benefits without having to pay for any of it? Again you have serious holes, nay craters, in you argument.
If you like Hispanics and foreigners so much, why don’t you go live with them? Stop giving away MY country to them. This is AMERICA…the United States of America. We are of Anglo-European decent. We speak English. Even if you’re racist, at least the blacks in our nation speak the language, pay taxes, and are only here because our ancestors enslaved and brought them here. They have a right to be here. Hispanics and others do not. If they want to immigrate legally and pay taxes, learn our language, and stop trying to influence and change our culture and religious values, then they are welcome. If you come to America – BE AN AMERICAN. We’re not British and Irish and German and Somali here. We are Americans. Leave your old cultures and systems behind. If your old home sucks and you want to come here, leave it. If your culture and crap is so great, then stay where you are. Don’t bring your crap here. We don’t want it.
And to thwart your comeback, I can trace my family back to the 1600′s in this nation and I also have Native American ancestors on two sides. I am 1/8 American Indian.
SHUT UP. JUST SHUT UP. You’re intentionally twisting things to make us all feel sorry for these culture destroying vultures. We’re done with it. We’re not going to become Germany and Belgium. But you go ahead and keep defending them and trying to shove it down our throats. Just keep pushing. That’s what you people do. You push till somebody pushes back and then you whine about it.
Wrong forum for liberal crap.
^^^ What he said. I still like my buffer zone full of auto turrets and land mines on pay per view idea. The survivors get in and the money goes to settle them.
There is much nonsense in the article. My favorite parts:
“The money sent by immigrants to their family members allows many people to stay in their home countries who might otherwise feel compelled to migrate to the U.S.”
But I thought it was so good for us to have them here ?
And: “Although many people think of undocumented immigrants as people who sneaked across the Mexican border, somewhere between one third and one half of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. overstayed their visitor, student, or work visas. That means they entered the U.S. with lawful documentation and only later became undocumented.”
It’s half, unless the estimates of the number sneaking across the border are too low.
And “undocumented” is Orwellian for “no right to be here.”
And wait until they find out they’ve settled in collapsing empire, with debt choking the life from the economy. Among a people with so little common sense, the lunatic left makes the rules.
@LifeIs you and I don’t always see eye to eye, but I have never called you an idiot, and to further prove you ain’t this reply stands true. Good on ya.
I call LifeIs an idiot all the time, but that’s just because he’s smarter than me.
[However, when it comes to Nibiru -- the charge is dead-on accurate. ZING!!! Less than eight and a half months now, Ralph.]
Gee, where are the racists? Surely they won’t let the facts get in their way.
Ah, there they are.
Besides you spaz I am Cherokee Nation, I have more right to be here than you, eat a dick.
Race has absolutely nothing to do with it. I could care less if someone is black as midnight or so pasty faced they get a sunburn under fluorescent lighting, whether from Somalia or Sweden, if someone is here without permission, they are a criminal invader and a threat to us.
We have a military for the purpose of protecting us from invasion, and here we are , being invaded and taken over by criminals with the aid of the traitors in Washington.
Anyone in this country without permission should be aggressively hunted down and imprisoned, any possessions they have should be sold at auction to help fund the INS, and after their prison term is up they should be sent packing.
And each time they return the penalty should compound.
Our stupid politicians have our military overseas pretending to “keep us free” while we are being silently invaded, the invaders enjoying absolutely no opposition.
What defines a country is geographical borders.
Without borders a country does not exist.
Respect our border?
How about you respect their border: Stop destabilizing their countries with violence so they will be able to stay home.
Seems you’ve missed a big part of the reason immigrants flee to the US, and instead, continue the pathological patriotism hate:
/immigration/2016/08/chilling-mexican-border-crisis-showdown-2453559.html
Get well. Be an asset to humanity. You could if you wanted. Give it a try. You might even like it.
Again Lass… The Gov YOU BLAME for this is LEFTIST.
Your side.
Get well. Be an asset to YOUR COUNTRY! You could if you wanted. Give it a try. You might even like it.
You are absolutely right that we should mind our own damned business and bring our military home.
But that has nothing to do with us not enforcing our own laws.
We also have exploited other nations natural resources for years, does that mean we should let all the child molesters and bank robbers out of prison and let them do what they want?
Some kind of bizarre form of self flagellation?
You twisted logic is quite illogical.
I couldn’t give two rats asses if they were purple, respect our boarders.
How do you know a liberal lost an argument? They call you a racist. Time to come into the modern era Bill.
Who is Bill? Hmm?
Another way of saying d*ck, pr*ck, willy…ect ect.
Ya know Paul, the quintessential definitions of leftists.
Hey f’tard, illegally immigrate to Mexico. Enjoy your five years in jail when they catch you. Illegally immigrate and commit a crime. Welcome to life in prison.
He must be one of those no boarders one world asshats
Paul Brown you can go F- yourself. Don’t call me a racist you assclown. I’m 1/8 American Indian and 7/8 southern Redbone. I got more “American” in my left one than you probably got in your whole damn family tree. Just because you lib-tards lose an argument or get called out on your trashy, so-called facts, does not give you the right to call me or anyone else a racist. I could care less what color, creed, or religion an immigrant is. If you come here, you do it legally. If you come here, you learn the language and you adopt our cultural beliefs and values. You say the damn pledge of allegiance and you take the rag off your head. Be an American. If you want to be a Mexican, stay in Mexico. If you want to be a Syrian, stay in Syria. That’s how it works. As one fellow pointed out, try illegally going to Mexico or Syria and see how far you get and how well you get treated when you’re caught. America is what it is because we built it into this. Nations cannot be “given” away. They must be earned and built. I’m sorry third world countries suck sh*t but that ain’t my problem. Stop speaking on behalf of the American people. We’re fed up with being bullied and chastised into feeling sorry for these people and letting them walk all over us. JUST SHUT UP!
Rather rude there FC.
Reality= rude to a lefty.
Rude is an opinion. As my screen-name implies, I am only concerned with facts. You’ll note the not-so-esteemed author of this article has yet to really respond to my comments or counter-points. She won’t either, except to call me a bigot or try and belittle my intelligence – or if she gets really desperate, call me a racist. Oh wait, she already did all of the above…save counter-points and a reasonable argument.
I state facts. If Lefty perceives that as rude…boo-hoo…let her go cry in her safe-space.
“Just because you lib-tards lose an argument or get called out on your trashy, so-called facts, does not give you the right to call me or anyone else a racist.”
Doc Brown has the right to call you a racist. And then you have the right to smack the ever-lovin’ stuffing out of him like you just did. In fact, if he hadn’t called you a racist, then you never would have written that outstanding post!!!
Gotta learn to see the good in all things, House.
True and damn good point. My compliments to your for stating that. I’ll try to remember that.
This whole article is riddled with falsehoods, and uses crap science to back it up. For example, she site a study from 2000 about crime stats? Studies from this YEAR show that illegals commit DOUBLE the rate of violent crime and are the most violent segment of society. She says they don’t bring higher rates of disease to the US, and makes some bogus statement about vaccinations and says they are screened? They are here ILLEGALLY and are not screened, and DOZENS of TB outbreaks, and hepatitis outbreaks have been directly tied back to illegals. Illegals have taken over the entire construction business, and to refute this she sites article from TWENTY YEARS AGO !!
This lady might as well have a Vore For Hillary button with a link to the Clinton Foundation at the bottom, but almost every single thing here I can prove wrong with studies from the past two years. EVERY SINGLE ONE of them.
Thanks for all the links. Never mind, they would be right wingnut sites.
Better than flower power BS left loon sites.
How do you know a liberal lost an argument? They use the term right wing to shut down discourse.
And I didn’t put the frqaudulent article up, and am not going to spend an hour linking readily available crime and disease stats sop that an empty minded liberal like you can call me names because YOU are indeed the racist.
Can you explain to me why they shouldn’t LEGALLY immigate here? Our course not, you’re a Soros puppet who loves poverty and misery like they have in Venezuela, North Korea and all other leftist utopias.
Pssst…Hey Paul…You just admitted they would be RIGHT.
Fantastic! Thank you for supporting this article brilliantly. You provide not one fact, reference, ounce of reality – just as I highlighted in the lead. Again, a hearty thanks to you.
Passive aggressive much? Why don’t you debate what he has said instead of accusing him of making a comment not grounded in reality? You have painted yourself into a corner in the last 5 or so articles you’ve posted, then resorted to pathetic tactics like this instead of actually engaging someone that doesn’t agree with you in debate. You clearly lack the intellect to defend your position, even if you had evidence to back it up. Your deflection tactics will not work on this site. People are already wise to that here. Address the topics he brought up, or shut up. Period.
llkkjj
So under that umbrella argument, you’re saying we mess their countries up and so they come here? That’s a little stupid. China just nuked America so I’m gonna go move to China. That’s a retarded comment on par with your own. Don’t blame me because these people live in crap-holes. I don’t feel sorry for them. Stop in-fighting, stop having dictators and civil wars, stop letting drug cartels run your country and start developing your education and social systems and maybe you wouldn’t live in a crap-hole. Don’t import your crap to my country. I am an asset to my country. I work, I pay my bills, I vote, and I pay my taxes. Tell me again how immigrants leeching off our nation and tax base is supposed to be good for me?
You’re missing the bigger picture, House.
Note well that ALL Western nations are currently under siege by an advancing wave of barbarians. Australia included.
This is warfare being inflicted upon ONE demographic ONLY.
Note well that the State of Israel is the only white nation that enjoys freedom from this agenda.
Then connect the dots.
All of it is organized beneath the umbrela of Coudenhove-Kalergi’s plan to create one sub-species of Pan-European Negroid (their term, not mine) people.
Somebody had something to say about this plan some 3500-odd years before it began to be implemented.
Welcome to the elimination of ALL boundaries: Boundaries between nations; boundaries between races; boundaries between cultures; and boundaries between the sexes.
You know who the Great Boundary Eliminator is, doncha House?
Thus, the Leftist Plan of Progressivism in all of its many splendored glory.
They are doing what we should be doing, fighting terrorism by insuring that they know exactly who gets in, and having absolute control over who gets in.
I have to disagree with your assumption that this is a “leftist” agenda. Republican politicians have done far more to open our borders than Democrats have.
Reagan started it with “amnesty”.
Both parties are doing this.
I wish everyone would quit this “libtard/ right wing nutcase” crap and start thinking for themselves.
A lot of those labeled as “liberals” are entirely against our open door policy, and a lot of those labeled “conservatives” support the dick cheney notion of “we need them for cheap lettuce”.
I think all of us are being conned by both parties, who are both whores for the corporations who buy them into office.
Part of my post didn’t appear for some reason. It should read :
That is because Israel is a nation of big balls and they have the Masada complex on their side, and the rest of the world knows not to mess with them.
They are doing what we should be doing, fighting terrorism by insuring that they know exactly who gets in, and having absolute control over who gets in.
I have to disagree with your assumption that this is a “leftist” agenda. Republican politicians have done far more to open our borders than Democrats have.
Regan started it with “amnesty”.
Both parties are doing this.
I wish everyone would quit this “libtard/ right wing nutcase” crap and start thinking for themselves.
A lot of those labeled as “liberals” are entirely against our open door policy, and a lot of those labeled “conservatives” support the dick cheney notion of “we need them for cheap lettuce”.
I think all of us are being conned by both parties, who are both whores for the corporations who buy them into office.
Your gross ignorance of the State of Israel comes as no surprise.
If you had good perception skills you would realize I was supporting your point. My knowledge of Israel is quite good, I have been following Israels stuggle against terrorism since Arafat was a thug car bomber who invented modern day terrorism.
I have followed the actions of Israeli leaders and Knesset since the 60s.
I suspect your knowledge of Israel and the nations struggles is quite lacking, or you would know that my post is spot on.
Israel indeed is not a country OR nation to mess with.
Again, the Masada complex. Look it up.
I stand by my assessment. Clearly, I know more about Israel than you do. That’s because I believe the Bible is the Word of God and I take the Bible at its word. Gross ignorance, I said. It’s what you stand in.
Since your arrival at this website, your track record is less than exemplary. There’s nothing impressive about a man who thinks he’s right.
Mayhem has something to say to you on the other board, where I dismissed you:
/religion/2016/08/what-the-bible-says-about-self-defense-biblical-self-defense-2513783.html#comment-248731
You really haven’t the skills to evaluate anyone else. Having some nutcase extremist view based on western apostate Christian teachings hardly makes anyone an expert on anything.
Your track record on everything I have seen you post is a big zero, you obviously haven’t enough education to realize where you are knowledgeable and where you are merely relying on your imagination, which you seem to have a rather active one.
Your posts are perfect evidence of why so many people are fleeing Christianity in droves.
Well stated, Fact.
You guys really are in the wrong place to push a one world liberal agenda. If the other notice it will be a war zone in the comments. ATS might be a better place for you try that.
Nope, just where meant to be, to meet folks just like you. Thank you.
What kind of folk am I exactly? Enlighten me.
Some hooplehead with a red face, big beady black eyes and horns.
Am I right? Or what.
(pssst… You forgot the winning smile!)
“Myth #1″ is quite false and deceptive. Legal citizens would be doing those jobs if the criminals were not, and paying taxes. As well as SPENDING THE MONEY HERE rather than sending half of it out of the country, which means local entities are losing sales tax revenue.
And, when americans work, most are not eligible for government aid, are not having their housing subsidized, and their income is for living on, not merely suplimentary to the government bribery that lures criminals here to work.
In other words, if legal citizens were not beat out of these jobs, they would most likely pay more generating more taxes, not merely the same tax. And spending the money here, which feeds the economy, and causes the money to be taxed again and again as it moves through the economy.
Even if any of this propaganda were true, the fact remains that illegal is illegal.
Aside from the fact that having wide open borders allows criminals to come here and change the demographics of this country and destroy our culture , as well as weakening our genetics and average IQ and dragging down our educational systems by bogging them down.
And of course there is the fact that turning entire cities over to the criminals also gives terrorists the perfect hiding place.
This country has been taken over within, and our treasonous white house and pentagram have been helping it happen since reagans “amnesty” in the 80s.
Controlling who comes here used to protect us from long eradicated third world disease ( every week now we have a new scare from some bizarre new deadly disease) and vermin ( when I was a kid , I never thought bedbugs were real).
God knows what kind of third world country diseases we come into contact with when in close proximity to these criminals.
And then of course there is also the psychological impact of a government not enforcing even the most basic of laws, the laws that protect the citizens.
I no longer have any fear of the law , or respect for it. Because our politicians do not.
I subscribe to the same law they do, the one law that is the only one left standing.
“Don’t get caught”. That is currently the only law in this country that counts.
If the legal system doesn’t apply to those here who don’t even belong here, it goddamned sure doesn’t apply to me either.
Sorry, mate. You’re simply offering more of the same unfounded bigoted notions that have been addressed in this article. Try reading it again and then try working on achieving discernment and a touch of compassion to enable you to recognize the difference between facts and myths, between facts and racist beliefs. I wish you the best with that.
You’re clearly a bigot against Americans that want to keep their country from ripping apart at the seams. It is you, Deb, that is the bigot here.
It is not racist to want to keep illegals from flooding your country and lowering your standard of living and diminishing the culture of your homeland. Even you can’t be dumb enough to actually think you’re right with that comment.
If you have so much compassion for them I challenge you to let as many illegals that will fit and can be fed by you come into your home and live there for free, like they do here off of the back of Johnny Taxpayer. Would you do that and stand behind what you say…
or are you just blowing smoke and promoting your erroneously indefensible agenda? Your agenda seems to be destroying our culture from where I am sitting.
Disgusting.
“Mate?” Oh Dear God – you’re not even an American and you’re lecturing us?!?!?!?!?! Deborah Dupre, I think you know where you and your Australian self can go. So I won’t blemish the board by telling it to you bluntly. What hypocritical type of a-wad would profess to tell us how to run our own country when you people already gave up your guns? Don’t judge me. You don’t live here. When they all start pouring into your country I bet you’ll change your mind. And stop calling us bigots. But I’d rather be a bigot than a hypocrite.
Who said anything about race? The only bias I have is I am biased against criminals, especially criminals who pose grave danger to us.
Those who breech our borders without permission are invaders, and prove they are undesirables and not good consideration for citizenship or green card application by sheer fact they have no respect for our laws.
No matter what their race, religion, or hairstyle is.
All of the “race” rhetoric bandied about shows how closed minded and uninformed many are about this issue.
Empires have been falling for the entire recorded history of man because of lack of border control. Rome fell because of what we wrongfully call “diversity” now.
Why don’t you open all of your doors and windows and allow all of the poor street people enter your house and eat your food and decide what gets watched on your TV?
So what if one of them just happens to have ill intent and does a little harm to you and yours, right?
Same difference.
Oh yes, uncontrolled immigration is a wonderful, compassionate, and fair to all thing.
All those sexualy assaulted European women and children can’t be wrong.
Wait! Oops, sorry. Don’t wanna sound like a racist!
Please Hi. You seemed to have gotten this article confused with a right-wing one claiming progressives want “uncontrolled Immigration.” Oops. Nothing in my article nor comments coming remotely near that statement.
“All those sexually assaulted European women and children….” Another unsubstantiated claim – with nothing to back it? Tsk. Tsk. But that’s OK. Again, you, too, help prove my point about how racist comments have no facts behind them, just hate. Thank you, Hi.
Progressive is simply another name for SOCIALIST.
They are the CHAMPIONS of No borders.
“Another unsubstantiated claim”…. K, Hillary, keep smacking down the REAL victims.
Guess the glasses kept you from seeing the Europe of today.
Lastly, no prob! I’ll happily help you prove the point, that Leftist’s such as yourself are the real racists and haters.
Unsubstantiated? DEAR GOD! Woman, they’re putting “NO” temporary tattoos on young girls at the pools in Germany to prevent sexual molestation by migrants. Sweden is issuing notices that it’s not okay to molest women. In what civilization is that not a common known fact? Now if there’s nothing going on in Europe, why would the governments there be taking such steps?
You’re just an idiot. You don’t even have a clue. SHUT UP. Wrong forum. People here have an ounce of intelligence. Go be a stupid liberal, one-worldest somewhere else. We hate you here.
“…they’re putting “NO” temporary tattoos on young girls at the pools in Germany…”
In Texas they just stuff Claymore Mines down the youg-uns’s underwear and bathing suits and wait for Mohammed to make his move.
Then it’s ‘Front Toward Enemy’…
CLICK
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
Hasta Lasagna, don’t get any on ya.
[The young-uns come away unscathed, in case you were wondering. Mohammed? Not so much.]
Hi every body I wanna poke fun at the libtards too…. I think De bra and paul brown just want to be molested by these immigrants they can’t get it any other way
Notice how Lil’ Debbie and her cheerleading fool (Paul Brown) completely ignored this well stated argument against their article by FACTCHECK in the first comment. Instead, they only make accusatory and slanderous remarks regarding the people that disagree with them instead of addressing the facts. They are pushing the Leftist agenda very hard lately on this site, and many have taken notice. I still haven’t seen a single person agree with them. (Just wait for them to make different named accounts to agree with themselves. That is, if Debra and Paul Brown aren’t already one and the same and she’s doing that already.)
Anyway, Debra… are you here to argue your position or are you just here to be wrong while refusing to be corrected by ignoring comments from posters that are stating facts? It seems to me that you have no idea what you’re talking about, and based on the way the votes are being cast and how you hide from replying to people like FACTCHECK that are posting facts… it would seem you just want people to blindly believe you.
No worries, all. Just believe everything Debra says so you don’t hurt her feelings or make her think outside of her preconceived notions. Don’t bother proving her wrong either because instead of addressing your points Deb and her butt buddy Mr. Brown (butt buddy… Mr. Brown… Hmm…) will just accuse you of being a troll. The most pathetic and worthless tactic in the book that EVERYONE sees through. This gets more pathetic every time she posts an article.
Sophomoric personal attacks (bullying) as you do here — without even one reference much less anything factual to begin with — is a perfect example of the only way many racists people can respond when presented with facts. Thank you, Clucker. Well done. You help prove my point again.
Another passive aggressive attack from the woman with the ridiculously stupid sunglasses. Eh.
I am asking you again, to address the points other commenters have presented. You won’t because you can’t. That’s my point.
Do you think I will feel bad or even look bad for being an arse to you? You must be new here. I know you’re not, which makes this even more silly. You passive-aggressively accuse me of being a racist when I am no such thing. Not that it matters though.
“You help prove my point again.”
In case you suffer from serious delusions of grandeur and have not read all of the comments above… it is clear to anyone with a brain that you haven’t actually proved any point at all. You aren’t even open to debate with people that have a differing opinion, which I will point out, yet again. Are you going to prove a point or make a fool of yourself as you’ve done on your last few articles?
I’m starting to feel like I’m conversing with someone that has a wooden brain.
I am beginning to think that you are going to break your beak, before you peck ANY common sense into her or head.
Common sense to a leftist=holy water to Drac.
I liked Drac better…I knew where he stood.
I think you’re right, Mr. Artichoke.
“I liked Drac better…I knew where he stood.”
Bah. You know where the Leftist stands as well.
Right between Lucifer’s feet.
True..
But I like to give any brother or sister the chance to not get peed on.
Even though leftist’s seem to enjoy it…
We’re bullying YOU?!?! Seriously? You’re using left-wing propaganda crap and accusations of bigotry and racism to intimidate us into agreeing with you and believing what you tell us. You’re the one who’s holding things over people’s heads in order to push your own agenda. You’re the bully, not us. We’re defending our points of view. You’re the one pushing a point a view. We have a right to believe what the hell we want to believe. We also have a right of self-determination in this nation and you’re not even an American to start with. And as Clucker pointed out, you’re not even making an effort to refute our defense. Mostly because you can’t. Your points are lame and moot and made up or twisted facts. So what do you do? Go on a rampage of calling us racists, bigots and idiots. Your best method would have been to prove us wrong. You failed. Probably because it’s YOU that is wrong, not us. C’mon and call us some more names. You only make our case stronger when you do.
“…to intimidate us into agreeing with you and believing what you tell us.”
And judging by the comments here, it’s working like a charm.
NOT.
Debra can only see what’s on her side of the fence. Her mind is already made up. Instead of posting articles as if she knows everything she would be better off looking at both sides before coming to a conclusion but that is something that will never happen in her case. Seem odd that she suddenly became so much more active on the BIN boards.
1.illegal immigration invasion vs legal immigration. George Carlin pointed out the use of “weasel words” undocumented=illegal=crime has been committed.
2.when “undocumented” immigrants commit crimes,be it murder rape or vehicular manslaughter, if there was a border that upheld the laws… the deaths of americans wouldn’t have happened. How does one justify that?
and
3.When you see mexican flag waving protesters attacking americans going to a political rally… that just adds fuel to both sides of the fire.
|To play devil’s advocate with claims of xenophobia and since we are both north american, do you not think that if the natives had a healthy dose of xenophobia… their lot in life would have been a lot different?
Stupid PSYOP article. PARANOIA OF AND XENOPHOBIA of white race dominance.
The writer thinks white people are a threat to America and immigrants. Therefore, the white race must be removed and replaced with immigrants.
This is GENOCIDE of a wonderful inventive social people. Guess abortion didn’t work! FINISH OFF WHITE PEOPLE WITH MASSIVE IMMIGRANT INVASION!!! Yeah, probably writing from the West too. Wouldn’t work in a turd world immigrant country.
VOTE FOR HITLERY!!!
There was a time when Americans were the workforce in the construction trades. They have been replaced by cheaper labor.
Here is something most people in this country do not realize about criminal invaders.
That they come here without permission is just the tip of the iceberg.
In order to function here they must have a social security number, which means stealing someone elses.
It is either that or work illegally and skirting the tax man.
They use false ID to get welfare and housing and all the other rewards our government gives them for helping keep wages down.
That is fraud.
They often screw up honest non-criminal american citizens by destroying their credit with their use of their identities.
Even if they aren’t running drugs, raping, robbing, and involved in one of the many criminal invader gangs, they commit serious crimes by committing fraud with false ID.
If I get caught with a false ID or working under the table, my ass ends up with striped sunlight.
But yet someone who doesn’t belong here gets a pass.
Here is the real clincher. Most of us have what in business terms is called “presence in the community”.
If I commit a rape or robbery, I not only have a paper trail that goes back going on 7 decades that leads to me, all it would take is for my picture to be on TV one time and I would have nowhere to hide.
Not so with invaders, an invader can be Juan in one town and Carlos in another, with a different very short paper trail each time.
There are far more dangers and much more damage done to society than merely the crime of being here unaccounted for. The crimes compound just as lies do.
And of course that also doesn’t take into consideration the spread of disease.
I had a friend in California about 15 years ago telling me that California had a lot of deaths due to flu.
When I asked him how something like the flu could be so dangerous, he told me that citizens in CA are immune to flu strains that are common here, but when those south of the border come up here carrying flu strains that we have not built immunities to, they are often deadly.
And of course there is all of the third world country diseases that we hear of every day.
This is a far more dangerous and detrimental problem than simply americans losing their jobs and this country being taken over from within ( which are two very serious problems to begin with).
And of course, there is the fact that most americans have little faith in the system no, and no respect for the law.
The damage being done is horrific.
I guess there are certain comments that Before its news, won’t publish…… Censorship…