All Evidence Points at Kiev Illigitimate Government in Shooting Down MH17
Just like it did with Iraq and Weapons of Mass Destruction, the US is lying about who shot down flight MH17 over Ukraine. The white truck carrying the Buk-M #312 system appears to have been planned dating all the way back to March, 2014. The only evidence motive and possible scenario implicates the American and Ukrainian government in bringing down MH17, killing all aboard.
10 more questions Russian military pose to Ukraine, US over MH17 crash
of General Staff of the Armed Forces Lt. Gen. Andrey Kartopolov ( left)
and chief of the Air Force Main Staff Lt. Gen. Igor Makushev ( right)
at a media conference in Moscow, July 21 (RIA Novosti / Vadim Savitsky)
Russia has released military monitoring data, which
shows Kiev military jets tracking the MH17 plane shortly before the
crash – and posed yet another set of questions to Ukraine and the US
over the circumstances of the tragedy.
Military officials – chief of General Staff of the Armed Forces
Lt. Gen. Andrey Kartopolov and chief of the Air Force Main Staff
Lt. Gen. Igor Makushev – posed a number of questions to Kiev and
Washington concerning the possible causes of the catastrophe in
Eastern Ukraine that killed almost 300 people last Thursday.
1. Why did the MH17 plane leave the international corridor?
“Please note that the plane stayed within the corridor until it
reached Donetsk but then it deviated from the route to the
north,” said Kartopolov.
2. Was MH17 leaving the route a navigation mistake or was the
crew following instructions by Ukrainian air traffic controllers
in Dnepropetrovsk?
“The maximum deviation from the left border of the corridor was
14 km. Following that, we can see the plane maneuvering to return
to the corridor, yet the Malaysian crew did not get a chance to
complete the maneuver. At 17.20, the plane began to lose speed,
and at 17.23 it disappeared from Russian radars.”
3. Why was a large group of air defense systems deployed to the
militia-held area if the self-defense forces have no planes?
“As far as we know, the Ukrainian military had three or four air
defense battalions equipped with Buk-M1 SAM systems deployed in
the vicinity of Donetsk on the day of the crash. This system is
capable of hitting targets within the range of 35 km at the
altitude of up to 22 km.”
4. Why did Kiev deploy BUK missile systems on the edge of
militia-controlled zones directly before the tragedy?
“We have satellite photos of the places where Ukraine had its air
defense units deployed in the southeastern parts of the country.
The first three photos were made on July 14. The first photo
shows Buk launchers 8 km northwest of Lugansk. You can clearly
see a TELAR and two TELs. The second photo shows radars 5 km
north of Donetsk. You can see two TARs along with other equipment
and technical structures. The third photo shows air defense
systems north of Donetsk. You can clearly see a TELAR launcher
and about 60 military and auxiliary vehicles, tents for vehicles
and other structures.
“Here’s a photo of the same area made on July 17. Please note
that the launcher has disappeared. The fifth photo shows a
battery of Buk missiles at the village of Zaroshchenskoye 50 km
east of Donetsk and 8 km south of Shakhtyorsk on the morning of
the same day. The sixth photo shows the same area on July 18. As
you can see, the battery has left.”
5. On the day of the crash Kiev intensified Kupol-M1 9S18 radar
activity, key BUK system components. Why?
“Also, July 17 saw increased activity on the part of Ukraine’s
Kupol-M1 9S18 radars, which are part of the Buk system. Here on
this chart you see that there were seven radars operating on July
15, eight radars operating on July 16, and nine radars operating
on July 17 in the area. Then, starting with July 18, the
intensity of radar activities radically decreased, and now there
are no more than two or three radars operating a day. The reason
behind this is yet to be found.”
6. What was a military plane doing on the route intended for
civilian flights?
“There were three civilian planes in the area performing their
regular flights at this time. There was a flight from Copenhagen
to Singapore at 17:17, there was a flight from Paris to Taipei at
17:24, and then there was the flight from Amsterdam to Kuala
Lumpur.”
“Also, Russian monitoring systems registered that there was a
Ukrainian Air Force jet, probably Su-25, climbing and approaching
the Malaysian Boeing.”
“The Su-25 was 3-5 km away from the Malaysian plane. Su-25 is
capable of climbing to the altitude of 10,000 meters for a short
period of time. Its standard armament includes R60 air-to-air
missiles, which are capable of locking and hitting targets from
12 km and which are guaranteed to hit the target from the
distance of 5 km.”
7. Why was the military jet flying at so close to a passenger
plane?
“At 17:21’35, with [the Boeing’s] velocity having dropped to 200
kilometers per hour, a new mark detecting an airborne object
appears at the spot of the Boeing’s destruction. This new
airborne object was continuously detected for the duration of
four minutes by the radar stations Ust-Donetsk and Buturinskaya.
An air traffic controller requested the characteristics of the
new airborne object, but was unable to get any readings on its
parameters – most likely due to the fact that the new aircraft
was not equipped with a secondary surveillance radar transponder,
which is a distinctive feature of military aircraft,” said
Makushev.
“Detecting the new aircraft became possible as it started to
ascend. Further changes in the airborne object’s coordinates
suggest that it was hovering above the Boeing 777’s crash site,
monitoring of the situation.
“Ukrainian officials earlier claimed that there were no Ukrainian
military aircraft in the area of the crash that day. As you can
see, that is not true.”
8. Where did the launcher – from the video circulated by Western
media and showing a Buk system being moved allegedly from Ukraine
to Russia – come from? As the video was made on the territory
controlled by Kiev, where was the launcher being transported?
“I’d like to say that the information we have presented here is
based on objective and reliable data from various technical
systems – unlike the groundless accusations made against Russia,”
said Kartopolov.
video supposedly showing a Buk system being moved from Ukraine to
Russia. This is clearly a fabrication. This video was made in the
town of Krasnoarmeisk, as evidenced by the billboard you see in
the background, advertising a car dealership at 34 Dnepropetrovsk
Street. Krasnoarmeisk has been controlled by the Ukrainian
military since May 11.” </p>
“For example, media circulated a video supposedly showing a Buk
system being moved from Ukraine to Russia. This is clearly a
fabrication. This video was made in the town of Krasnoarmeisk, as
evidenced by the billboard you see in the background, advertising
a car dealership at 34 Dnepropetrovsk Street. Krasnoarmeysk has
been controlled by the Ukrainian military since May 11.”
9. Where is it right now? Why are some of the missiles missing on
the launcher? When was the last time a missile was launched from
it?
from video posted on Ukraine’s Ministry of Interior account, showing a
Buk system supposedly being moved from Ukraine to Russia with two out of
three missiles.
10. Why haven’t US officials revealed the evidence supporting
claims that the MH17 was shot down by a missile launched by the
militia?
“US officials claim they have satellite photographs proving the
Malaysian airliner was shot down by a missile launched by the
militia. But no one has seen these photographs so far. As far as
we know, there was indeed a US satellite flying over southeastern
Ukraine on July 17 from 17:06 to 17:21 Moscow time.
“This satellite is part of an experimental system designed to
track and monitor the launches of missiles of various ranges. If
our US colleagues have imagery from this satellite, they should
release it for the international community to examine it in
detail. This may be a coincidence, but the US satellite flew over
Ukraine at exactly the same time when the Malaysian airliner
crashed.”
missile defense units in Zaroschinskoe, 50km south of Donetsk city and
8km south of Shakhtyorsk, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian
Defense Ministry
This is not the first time Russia brings up questions on the plane crash. No
explanations have followed with Kiev insisting they have full
evidence of Russia being behind the attack, but so far only
releasing tapes.
The USA, putting the blame on the self-defense forces, has yet
refused to release any intelligence material. On Monday State
Department Deputy Spokesperson Marie Harf described Russia’s
statements as “propaganda and misinformation” – but when
reporters asked her whether Washington would be releasing their
intelligence and satellite data, Harf only replied “may
be.” So far the US has been backing its statements by social
media and “common sense.”
Source: http://blogdogcicle.blogspot.com/2014/07/all-evidence-points-at-kiev.html
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Whistler Blowers, Insiders
Zionist sponsored, funded, and supported rebel forces brought down the plane. American mainstream media is blaming Putin, who had nothing to do with it, in order to turn the world against him. The zionist oligarchs who he kicked out of Russia want revenge. And the zionists want the economy and resources of Ukraine and Russia.
Since I dont have a blog Ill post all the EVIDENCE that I have uncovered here and everywhere
else possible.
Im angry at KIEV, the CIA and City of London whom no doubt were ALL
behind this and pre-planned it all.
Heres the first CLUE this was planned….. that many seem to have missed:
July 17, 2014 was the anniversary date for the July 17, 1918 assassination of Tsar Nicholas II and his entire family by the Bolsheviks.
I don’t subscribe to numerology but this date IS very significant to Russians and is a subliminal warning to Putin.
HELLO???
No wonder they were already to blame Russia right out of the gate. Its how these “Global Leaders play the game.Choosing the DATE of an event they know is deeply important to that country…and “sending a Message.
Next…the World outside of UKRAINE had no idea this “Strangely timed” Announcement just 20 minutes BEFORE
the crash had occurred. But a Ukranian Tweeted this:
TWITTER MESSAGE
https://twitter.com/ValLisitsa/status/489911513616879616/photo/1
Valentina Lisitsa @ValLisitsa Jul 17@homo_viator
17:26 Ukrainian Defense declares “separatists now have weapons capable of downing high-flying planes”
17:49 “plane down”.
and to counter the Kiev version:
Gleb Bazov @gbazov Jul 17
#ALL: BIG HOLE IN UKR NARRATIVE #MH17 flying at 10,000 metres.
Militia can only shoot to 3,000 metres.
Must be a Ukrainian jet, no other way
then came the “Smoking Gun Tape”boasted by KIEV as “Proof” of the “Intercepted Conversations between
Rebels and Russia.
One small problem:
A blogger in Russia STUMBLED apon this YT Video BEFORE it was announced to the
world and it was able to get over 800 views BEFORE it was yanked.Problem was the TIME stamp for that
YANKED Video was JULY 16TH!
The Creation time of a Youtube Video is CACHED & it cannot be changed once created.
That means the “so-called” “perfectly worded and detailed “”Conversation about a Civillian Airliner being shot down that beared the markings of “Malaysia Airlines”…was on a TAPE that was CREATED
the day BEFORE it happened.
Which means…..this was PRE-PLANNED by the CIA and by the CITY OF LONDON.
An expert dissecting the tape not only discovered the Tape was in fact 3 SEGMENTS of 3 different TIME PERIODS all on one tape including of the “Malaysia Airliner” that hadnt even crashed yet, but also
noted the CREATION date of JULY 16TH.
Busted! Ukraine Caught Trying To ‘Frame Russia’ for Shooting Down Malaysia Flight MH17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28MrASx-RiM#t=19
http://gmorder.livejournal.com/1113736.html
http://rghost.net/private/56950510/78d787acfabcaf840cfa213e7221a060
BOOM! Kiev Caught Plotting Crash of Malaysia Flight MH17 , Before It Happened!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c__Fm5liCo
NEXT….Pay attention to these parts of Russias statement when producing THEIR Evidence:
**Note** the HINT .
In other words not coming right out & saying it but HINTING at it.
Now WHY was it even NECCESSARY for Russia to include this information about the SU-25?
“Also, Russian monitoring systems registered that there was a
Ukrainian Air Force jet, probably Su-25, climbing and approaching
the Malaysian Boeing.”
“The Su-25 was 3-5 km away from the Malaysian plane. Su-25 is capable of climbing to the altitude of 10,000 meters for a short period of time.ITS STANDARD ARMAMENT INCLUDES R60 AIR TO AIR MISSILES,WHICH ARE
CAPABLE OF LOCKING AND HITTING TARGETS FROM 12 KM and which are guaranteed to hit the target from the distance of 5 km.”
THEN note this : The SECOND “Object”
“At 17:21’35, with [the Boeing’s] velocity having dropped to 200
kilometers per hour, a NEW MARK DETECTING new mark detecting an airborne object
appears at the spot of the Boeing’s destruction. This NEW AIRBORNE OBJECT new
airborne object was continuously detected for the duration of
four minutes by the radar stations Ust-Donetsk and Buturinskaya.
An air traffic controller requested the characteristics of the
new airborne object, but was unable to get any readings on its
parameters – most likely due to the fact that the new aircraft
was not equipped with a secondary surveillance radar transponder,
which is a distinctive feature of military aircraft,” said
Makushev.
“Detecting the new aircraft became possible as it started to
ascend. Further changes in the airborne object’s coordinates
suggest that it was hovering above the Boeing 777’s crash site,
monitoring of the situation
***This aligns with the Following THREE eye-witness accounts:
First Carlos the Kiev Air Traffic Controllers TWEETS whose Twitter account was ABRUPTLY SHUT DOWN even though hes been tweeting from his Tower since May lots of “Risky” Inside details about events Ukraine since MAY & never had his Twitter shut down.
Now hes in hiding & the Evil Forces immediately created a Propaganda campaign to demonize and nullify him to get the world to disregard him altogether.
Even Fox Latino whom had his story up & Tweets briefly. suddenly had that page “Yanked”
Here are some of those Tweets:
10:21 – 17 de jul. De 2014
Autoridades de kiev, intentan hacer que pueda parecer un ataque de los pro-rusos
“Kiev Authorities, trying to make looks like an attack by pro-Russian”
10:27 – 17 de jul. de 2014
El avión B777 de Malaysia Airlines desapareció del radar, no hubo comunicación de ninguna anomalia, confirmado
“The Malaysia Airlines B777 plane disappeared from the radar, there was no communication of any anomaly, confirmed”
10:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014
Kiev, tiene lo que buscaba, lo dije en los primeros tw, kiev es responsable @ActualidadRT
“Kiev have what they wanted, I said in the first tw [Tweets], Kiev is responsible @ ActualidadRT”
10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014
Un accidente muy normal no es, no están amenazando en la misma torre del aeropuerto de kiev,
“An accident that is not quite normal, they are threatening us in the same tower of Kiev airport”
10:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014
Antes de que me quiten el tlf o me rompan la cabeza, derribado por Kiev
“Before They remove my phone or they break my head, shot down by Kiev”
11:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014
Que hace personal extranjero con autoridades de kiev en la torre? Recopilando toda la información
“What are doing foreigners with kiev authorities in the tower? Gathering all the information”
11:48 – 17 de jul. de 2014
El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares,
The B777 plane flew escorted by Ukraine jet fighter until 2 minutes before disappearing from the radar
11:54 – 17 de jul. de 2014
Sí las autoridades de kiev, quieren decir la verdad, esta recogido 2 cazas volaron muy cerca minutos antes , no lo derribo un caza
“If kiev authorities want to tell the truth, It´s gathered, 2 jet fighters flew very close minutes before, wasn’t downed by a fighter”
12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014
Nada más desaparecer el avión B 777 de Malaysia Airlines la autoridad militar de kiev nos informo del derribo, como lo sabían?
“Malaysia Airlines B777 plane just disappeared and Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, How they knew?”
12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014
A los 7:00 minutos se notificó el derribo, más tarde se tomó la torre nuestra con personal extranjero q siguen aquí
“7:00 minutes after [plane dissapeared], the downing was notified, later our tower was taken with foreigner staff, they still here ”
**MY PERSONAL NOTE How “Convenient to have “Foreigners” already in place just 7 Minutes after
Report of Crash ready to take over ATC**)
12:01 – 17 de jul. de 2014
En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también
“all this is gathered in radars, to the unbelieving, shot down by kiev, here we know it and military air traffic control also”
15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014
Los militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior conocían en cada momento lo que sucedió, .
“The military under the orders of Interior Minister knew what happened all the time .”
16:06 – 17 de jul. de 2014
Mandos militares aquí (ATC) torre de control, confirman que el misil es del ejercito de ukraine,
“Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the ukranian army,”
16:09 – 17 de jul. de 2014
La forma de tomar la torre de control minutos después sabiendo todo los detalles, rápido nos hizo pensar que habían sido ellos
“Thw way the control tower was taken minutes after & knowing all the details, made us think that they [made it]”
16:10 – 17 de jul. de 2014
La cara de los militares que llegaron más tarde diciendo pero que habéis echo, no dejo dudas
“The face of the soldiers who came later saying [what you just did], no chance for doubts”
16:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014
Es tal la decadencia que los militares acompañados de extranjeros que llegaron primero nos llegaron a pedir que dijéramos su versión
“Such is the decline that military who came first accompanied by foreigners came to us asking us to tell THEIR version”
THAT WAS FROM KIEV.
Now hear of TWO eye-witnesses in E.Ukraine near crash site
whom didnt even KNOW of the Tweets from Carlos
#7 – Eyewitness States Two Planes Following MH17, One Of the Craft Shot Down Boeing
Video: Father of Eyewitness Tells of the Crash of Boeing MH17 Over Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPcbFJSGk7E
Transcript of the Video
Narrator: Who shot it down? Today it was shot down, on [July] 17th.
Narrator: Continuing. The village of Grabovo. How was it? What did you son tell you?
Father of Eyewitness: Well, they were sitting there, on a hill. And, from behind the clouds … two airplanes were flying … one of the came out from behind the clouds.
(TWO AIRPLANES)
Narrator: Military planes emerged?
Father of Eyewitness: Well, he does not understand. Then, with one shot, they shot down the second.
And that’s it.
The second plane, he says – with one shot. There was one shot and that’s it.
(THE SECOND PLANE)
Narrator: And the one that was shot down was the civilian one? …
Father of Eyewitness: And two … one fell down, he says, and the second too … I did not bring my phone here, so I can’t call him.(AND TWO. THE SECOND TOO)
[in the background] Ah, he saw a jet fighter … Of course …
Narrator: The village of Grabovo, in the Shakhtersk district. One the approaches to Grabovo, it fell. Keep looking for remains. Everything is burning. Aluminum has melted. All the casing.
and another eye witness account. This now makes THREE
( 2 on the ground and Carlos the Air Traffic Controller whom tweeted there were 2 planes tailing)
Transcript of the Eyewitness Phone CallI
have a single sheet of paper that fell from the plane, with fresh blood – you can see it.
Baggage also fell, further, in the area of the Petropavlovka settlement – there are fragments there.
There is a group in VKontakte that already posted photos with pieces from the Boeing. Also, beyond Rassypnoye, near Terrikon, there are corpses. There were people there, and they saw it all.
I saw, personally, that there were 3 explosions.
The first, the second and the third.
So, after the first explosions I went up on the roof and saw that a plane was falling – it was already almost at the ground.
There was an explosion, a black cloud, and two parachutists were descending – one was descending on his parachute on the wing.
The second was flying down very fast – like a stone. And that is what I saw.
(THREE EXPLOSIONS)(TWO PARACHUTISTS)
However, at that very same moment, a jet fighter was departing in the direction of Debaltsevo.
It was over Rassypnoye and was flying toward Debaltsevo. How I understood it.
(A FIGHTER JET WAS DEPARTING. THE OTHER FIGHTER (cause their were 2 Fighters) HAD
EXPLODED along with the “OTHER Plane)
then…there is this: WAS IT REALLY A MISSILE or rather AIR TO AIR???
PROOF: SAM Never Shoot Down Boeing 772
/war-and-conflict/2014/07/proof-sam-never-shoot-down-boeing-772-2453256.html
Comment from an English/Russian blog
Look at this, if it’s not a fake, the russians seem to be right…
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtL-VxSCIAIpt6o.png passive radar guided air to air missle would hit the nose where the radar array is.
This is a very important piece of evidence of air to air attack, rather than a missile if seen in conjunction with the Russian military data of the Ukraine military aircraft “popping up” in front of the airliner just before it disappeared from radar.
It also helps explain some other info released.
If the Su-25 that popped up from low altitude in front of the airliner fired AA missiles, they would confront the airliner from the forward sector and damage would most likely be in the forward part of the aircraft.
The cockpit looks like it was completely riddled, there is probably very little chance the pilots even had time to react, let alone send a distress message.
From that angle of approach, it’s likely the airline pilots didn’t see the Su-25 attacking them and probably didn’t see the missiles(s) until maybe the last second before the explosion which killed them.
I’ll bet the cockpit voice recorders wont have anything more from the pilots, at that last moment, than exclamation of shock.
This could explain why the airliner slowed down the last couple of minutes.
With the cockpit wrecked and the pilots dead, the throttle mechanism or something else may have been affected, which slowed down the airliner.
It could of flew steady for a short while as it was breaking up.
Targeting the front of the airliner had to be planned and was why the Su-25 attacked from the front and below, out of view from the airliner’s cockpit.
They wanted to reduce the chance as much as possible that the pilots would be able to ID their attacker and get a message out, or even say something that could be recorded on the voice recorder.
They wanted instant decapitation of the airliner.
and another..
Imagine and “X” where one stroke is the airliner path and the other the fighter.
The attack came from below and left (at least in the case of the missile’s trajectory).
The fighter climbed to it’s max altitude (app 10km) , fired the Air to Air, and then descended.
The missile flew the remaining distance in altitude and detonated near the trailing edge of the LEFT
wing tip (photo of crash wreckage shows slashes caused by rods discharged from A to A which rake toward the cockpit) and the left side of the cockpit looking like swiss cheese.
SHeared the wing off and the airliner descended essentailly in one piece till impact.
The 3-D simulation on Russian TV made truly sensational case..pity it is not on youtube (that I know of).
We saw It was on RssianTVClub.com news programming last night…very disturbing..
. along with expert testimony that a BUK would have turned the airliner into confetti…
no large peices in close proximity (small debris field) which is what the crash site looks like from
published photos.
They’d still be collecting bits of bodies from Donesk to Rostow if a BUK hit it…
**NOTE*** The LEFT WING was where the RADIO TRANSPONDER was and that is where there is a SMALL Shearing on the TOP of the Wing.
How does a MISSILE make a perfect shear on the TOP of a Wing if its coming from the Ground??
***NOTE…None of the above info is mentioned ANYWHERE in Mainstream Media and even more details
targeting KIEV as the culprit will come forth. Wait and see….
HOPEFULLY THIS INFO WILL OPEN SOME EYES***
Thanks for posting your evidence liberty. I do think that it is pre-planned.
Informative post.
CNN=Clown News Network. Bimbos dumbed-down by their own propaganda.
Clearly the downing of MH17 was orchestrated by CIA and phony Ukraine government as everyone suspected from the get go.
Talk about transparency; the psy-op tactics of the shadow government have been brought into the light. Corruption is more transparent than ever!
MSM is a fast sinking ship of fools.