The Evil Powers Of Female Angels (Fallen Angels) Enlarged

You refer to Abraham and Isaac. God did not ask Abraham to murder Isaac. He asked him to sacrifice him; there is a difference, which you are deliberately ignoring. God knows all things and as we are told, His ways are higher than our ways, and His thoughts, than our thoughts. Man’s arrogance places man’s thoughts above God’s; this was the original sin; to doubt the words of our Creator. We chose to believe a liar. “Thou shalt not surely die”. We live with the daily consequences of our hubris.
God blessed Abraham because he put aside his own “wisdom” and accepted that God, and not he, is the author of all truth and wisdom. From that blessing came ultimately the wordly blessing of the tribe of Manasseh, of which you are a part, and from whom you derive the blessing which you so clearly abuse, by promoting Satanism.
Remember also that God did not accept the sacrifice which Abraham was prepared to offer; he provided him with a ram, caught in a thicket. And also remember that Isaac was prepared to be sacrificed too; as a young man, alone with his elderly father, he could easily have escaped the prospect of imminent death had he so chosen. So clearly both of these great figures from the past knew and understood things of which you have no inkling.
“Let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth Me, that I am the Lord which exerciseth lovingkindness, judgement, and righteousness in the earth, for in these things I delight, sayeth the Lord”.

I think humanity is waking up!! WOW such truth in your words! Tellin it like it is!

We are waking up and that terrifies people like yes2truth( the most ironic handle ever).

yes2truth wrote:

“The Godhead must be glorified for without glory they would not exist. As we need food, drink and sleep to survive they need glory so everything they do and create is to their glory.”

Wow. Any chance of you pointing to THAT in the Scriptures?

So because the term ‘Glory’ is used on numerous occasions in the Scriptures, you have deduced that The Most High and His Son actually EAT (or consume or use or whatever) the ‘Glory’ and cannot survive without it. Is this what you would have folks to understand is your meaning?

You postulate that EL SHADDAI, the Almighty, All Sufficient ONE and HIS FATHER, the source of ALL, actually require some substance (or element or whatever), to maintain their Being?

Would this be a fair summary of your claim? If not, I am ready to be corrected.

“Not possible, you are not correctable. As I said – go and do the study, but as I also said you will not understand.”

It sounds to me like you have no interest in amending my expounded version of your assertion, which would indicate that you are fine with my explanation. And you have been asked to point to specific verses in the Scriptures which would permit you to have drawn to such a fantastic conclusion. You have proceeded to claim that I myself will be incapable of finding any such corroborating verses within the Scriptures, for reasons you have yet to explain. You’re beginning to sound a little like Joseph Smith, Mr. Crosby. I guess I’ll just have to take your word for this inane assertion – but of course, I don’t take the word of men for anything. Funny thing, though – I’m certain I’ve read claims nearly identical to yours spelled out in the Zohar. You sound like a man with your back against the wall, Crosby. There’s nothing wrong with my understanding of the Scriptures, and I will always be able to point to specific verses when asked by others to demonstrate the reasons for my beliefs without making excuses such as telling my inquirers that they lack the needed spiritual insight to grasp my meaning. That is a cop-out sir. Do you lack the necessary communication skills to show the veracity of your allegation? Is it really off limits to certain people like me? Or did you just invent it out of whole cloth; or worse – extract it from the writings of the Kabbalah? There is nothing as absurd as the profession you have here made: “It’s in the Scriptures, you’re just too dark-hearted to see it.” Are you a pretender?

And no,I have no connection with any British filmmakers who call themselves Muad’Dib.

Your hubris is overwealming and it appears you are the one who lacks ears to hear and eyes to see. You are a tare in a field of wheat void of love and understanding. It shall come to pass that the tare shall be alone and confused saying but father did I not preach your word. The father will reply that was not my word son had you accepted me you would have known this…..

By the way those wors are for Yes the empty one not Paul.

“The problem you have here Mr Mouse is that the KJV/AV is notorious for letting people down when they attempt to prove certain points using just one verse of Scripture.”

Is it not possible for you to communicate without denigrating the intended recipient of your words? Which master do you follow? Let us weigh your above assertion against James Strong’s Concordance. The Greek word you have called into question is defined by Strong thus:

G2307
θέλημα
thelēma
thel’-ay-mah
From the prolonged form of G2309; a determination (properly the thing), that is, (actively) choice (specifically purpose, decree; abstractly volition) or (passively) inclination: – DESIRE, PLEASURE, WILL.

This does not even ascend to the level of basic Bible study, Mr. Crosby. This is not an all-or-nothing term. Or would you have me to take your word over the word of this renowned reference source? I will not do that. You can bring something other than your word to the table if you would like to be given more consideration than that.

“The word ‘pleasure’ is a corruption and should read ‘will’. The Eternal’s pleasure and His will are two very different things. This means that His will fits in correctly with THE TRUTH that He MUST be glorified.”

This is purely conjecture and opinion on your part. You offer nothing by way of evidence. You have offered no witness. Your testimony is untrue. SHOW ME ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE OR ONE VERSE FROM THE SCRIPTURES WHICH WOULD LEAD YOU TO CONCLUDE THAT THE FATHER AND THE SON “MUST” BE GLORIFIED. They have NO NEED of our glory. They have NO NEED of ANYTHING from us.

“Was it The Father’s will that His Son be crucified or His pleasure?”

Are you playing a game of semantics? Or do you intend to speak for the Father? I do not speak for the Father, as I am incapable of comprehending His Thoughts or His Mind.

“I won’t go into the issue of glory here because the whole death and resurrection event was obviously to The Father’s and ultimately The Son’s glory.”

You will find this point uncontested by me.

“They MUST be glorified at all times or there would be no point of their existence.”

This is a flawed and nonsensical conclusion based on NOTHING but your supposition, conjecture and opinion. This ridiculous contention can only be reached by a man who has an inept, woefully incomplete and wrong-headed comprehension of the terms used in the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures to describe the Father and the Son. The Father, THE MOST HIGH, needs nothing of the kind you have here declared.

I reject your slander of the Most High. I reject your incessant vitriol and venom. I may make it my purpose on this board to expose you for the unrighteous and demonic doctrine-deluded man that you are. I feel that as much is owed to the commenters and readers here who you have harassed and insulted and contaminated with false doctrine for too long now.

“Strong was not God[.] And ‘will’ can never be ‘pleasure’ by any stretch of the imagination nor can something that is ‘determined’ be classed as ‘pleasure’, unless you’re a servant of religion, which Strong was.”

This is a distraction, Mr. Crosby. Strong’s credentials are what they are. Likewise, your credentials are what they are. You are arguing semantics and you are arguing opinion. I am not interested in your opinion. The institution responsible for translating and defining scriptural terms is certainly not infallible. But you have asked me to take your word over the word of an established and tested reference source, and you come to me with nothing other than your opinion. Bring something of substance to the table if you would like to be heard in this particular matter. Bring something with which to counter Strong. When you quip that strong is not ‘God’, do you mean to imply that you are?

“To say that They don’t need Glory is to say that They have no purpose.”

This is a monstrously asinine contention. When I say that The Father and the Son DO NOT need Glory, I DO NOT at the same time say that The Father and The Son have no purpose. Everything BUT the Most High has need. The Most High Himself is the fulfillment of that need. He is the Provider. No one provides to Him. Without Him, all would cease to exist. Without all created, our Father would continue to exist for ever.

To have come to such a warped and upside-down conceptualization of the nature of our Father in Heaven is completely understandable in your case. Your fruit is almost all rotten. Your words are almost all rotten. Your spirit is almost all rotten. You need to be cleansed and renewed.

“They have ALWAYS created and via that creation have always been glorified. They go hand in hand and to say otherwise makes you the slanderer – not me.”

The first part of your thought here is an assumption. The Bible tells us that creation had a beginning. Beyond that we can speculate; and there are clues in the Scriptures that this is all a repeated process, but to lay it out as a statement of fact is a mistake. Perhaps you are correct. We do not know.

The second sentence of the above thought by you is simply outlandish fabrication. You have nothing with which to bolster this nonsense, and you have now been repeatedly taken to task for this. Produce even ONE verse from the Scriptures which would justify such a horrendous claim, and I will yield.

“There was no semantics in the example I used – you’re just using the semantics card to weedle out of your satanic intellectual errors. You’re a man with head knowledge, that’s all.”

This is yet more useless gas from a disingenuous man. Point to the verses in the Book. Point to the verses in the Book, or you have nothing but vapors. Your ideas exist only in your mind – and in the Kabbalah.

“Now if you stop behaving like a Pharisee – crossing t’s and dotting i’s I will stop labeling you as such, but until then it’s by their fruits you shall know them.”

Will you demonstrate the verity your case by calling me names? Will you point in every direction of all but the one you SHOULD be pointing in? Will you flounder and flap and misdirect and deceive? Refute me with the Word of YHWH Elohim Most High. I defy you.

I wonder if anyone has to live with him? Poor dears they have my total sympathy. LOL

You’re not my brother – you’re a son of the Devil.

Follow me around all you like for I intend to ignore you from now on – you’re a waste of space and Biblically ignorant and Spiritually dead.

‘Communicating’ with you is like talking to a cow in a field – a blank stare and keep on chewing cud. LOL

“Follow me around all you like for I intend to ignore you from now on – you’re a waste of space and Biblically ignorant and Spiritually dead.”

Whether you respond to me or not is meaningless. There will be Bible verses right below your lies for all of the OTHER readers to see. I have had enough of witnessing you plastering His Name all over this board, while at the same time excoriating and castigating your brothers and sisters – the children of the Most High.

Frankly, I would prefer it if you did not respond to me directly, as I am not fond of being in direct communication with men like you.

“Refute me with the Word of YHWH Elohim Most High. I defy you.”

Just spotted this amongst all your other typed diahorea.

As messenger of Yashua Anointed I defy you as someone who can only speak if he refers to a flawed corrupted and contaminated book.

May I remind you that before the 15th century the English speaking peoples were taught by word of mouth and had NO NEED of the written word which YOU put ALL your faith in.

If there is a fraud here it is plainly you.

Interesting, so you have a master do you.

I have a friend and brother in Yashua Anointed that’s all.

So that must mean you are still under some kind of authority. Would you care to enlighten everyone on what this subjection to authority entails.

Does it mean that you under obedience to some authority?

I am glad you have clarified that because I am under no authority. I am under His Grace and that’s the fundamental difference between you and me. I am the only messenger of Yashua Anointed here – you are a Judaising devil.

You with your Torah and obedience and me with His Grace, the Resurrection Life and freedom to choose to follow Him.

I now also see that you’re saying the same things as the other Muad Dib who also denies the Pauline Gospel message. Like him, I knew you would eventually show your true satanic colours.

You are a wretch of the lowest order with your salvation by works commandment keeping. A member of the circumcision and one of the spiritual sewer rats that Paul warned us of in Galatians.

AND HERE IS YOUR ARROGANCE FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE – “The Apostle Paul HAS NO AUTHORITY to make such a claim.”

As a messenger of Yashua Anointed he had ALL POWER AND AUTHORITY to make any statement he wished, as do I, for I am also a messenger in his order. You dare to question the words of Yashiua Anointed through the GREATEST APOSTLE that ever lived.

And you have the satanic arrogant audacity to defy ME – a man who has been called by the Father to Yashua Anointed and then lifted up by Yashua Anointed as his messenger to a lost world that needs to understand that The Creator does not do things for His pleasure or because He is an egotistical maniac as that lost soul was saying, but because HIS WILL MUST BE DONE AND BECAUSE HE MUST BE GLORIFIED even through the creation of a speck of dust or a grain of sand and not because He is dependent on us to give Him glory as you demonically twisted what I said, you son of the Devil you.

As I said from the start, I had you banged to rights, because I have been given the gift of Spiritual discernment and can sense a demonic spirit within two sentences of their vile utterings.

Now repent if you know what’s good for you or you will hear these words from Yashua Anointed: “Go away from me for I never knew you.” There will be weeping and wailing and the gnashing of teeth.

Yes, and feel free to follow me around as you pathetically threatened and I will rebuke you at every turn exposing you for the Torah Old Covenant Judaiser that you are.

Now go and repent and don’t come back until you have.

“I am glad you have clarified that because I am under no authority. I am under His Grace and that’s the fundamental difference between you and me. I am the only messenger of Yashua Anointed here – you are a Judaising devil.”

Not possible. I am anti ‘Judaism.’ I do not expect you to be able to comprehend this fact, when your mind labors as it does beneath such powerful deception.

“You with your Torah and obedience and me with His Grace, the Resurrection Life and freedom to choose to follow Him.”

Any man who has decided that these two are mutually exclusive, DOES NOT comprehend the meaning of the Word contained in the Holy Scriptures.”

“I now also see that you’re saying the same things as the other Muad Dib who also denies the Pauline Gospel message.”

You DO NOT embrace the message of the Apostle Paul because you do not understand the message of the Apostle Paul. Put your reading glasses on and bear in mind that this apostle was not writing to small children. One of us understands the message of the apostle; the other of us does not. Muad’Dib is a fictional movie character and my screen name. Nothing more. Neither is it as audacious as yours, or as contrary to reality.

“You are a wretch of the lowest order with your salvation by works commandment keeping. A member of the circumcision and one of the spiritual sewer rats that Paul warned us of in Galatians.”

Salvation comes to us via Grace through faith, and no other way. Did you hear what I just said? It’s about the twelfth time I’ve said it to you. You could at least demonstrate an ability to retain a small portion of what you read. I’ll say it again: Salvation comes to us via Grace (from on High) as a result of our faith. I doubt you heard me either of those two times either. Do you think Paul said that circumcision is no longer in effect? Really? Read Paul again. Only pay attention to his words this time without inserting words you would like for him to have written. When YHWH said that circumcision would be a covenant with Him FOREVER… why didn’t you believe HIM? Rather, you would take the word of a man whom you believe to have told you different. You are in danger of judgment. You are being warned. Read more carefully.

“AND HERE IS YOUR ARROGANCE FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE – “The Apostle Paul HAS NO AUTHORITY to make such a claim.””

I’ll say it again: The Apostle Paul has NO AUTHORITY to speak, write, teach or preach, contrary to the Word, the Commandment, and the Instruction of YHWH Elohim Most High. Luckily for the apostle, he never did so.

“As a messenger of Yashua Anointed he had ALL POWER AND AUTHORITY to make any statement he wished, as do I, for I am also a messenger in his order. You dare to question the words of Yashiua Anointed through the GREATEST APOSTLE that ever lived.”

So there it is. You have just claimed for yourself the authority to change and to alter HIS WORD however you see fit. Is this what I have just read, Mr. Yes2’truth’? I knew you were a massively mistaken individual, but I had no IDEA how deep your delusion ran until I read your above declaration. You have just claimed for yourself THE RIGHT TO ALTER AND TO CHANGE, AT YOUR WILL AND CONVENIENCE, THE UNCHANGING WORD OF YHWH ELOHIM. This means that you are in DIRECT CONTRADICTION of the Word of our Creator, and of His Father, The Most High. You have claimed for yourself the same authority that the RABBIS and the ROMAN CHURCH have claimed for themselves. This will end for you equally as badly as it will for them. The Apostle Paul did not have, nor did he have the AUDACITY to CLAIM that he had, the right to ALTER or to CHANGE the Word or the LAW of YHWH ELOHIM.

“And you have the satanic arrogant audacity to defy ME – “

Not only do I defy you, and will until my last breath, but I tell you you are in danger of the pit.

“…a man who has been called by the Father to Yashua Anointed and then lifted up by Yashua Anointed as his messenger to a lost world that needs to understand that The Creator does not do things for His pleasure or because He is an egotistical maniac as that lost soul was saying, but because HIS WILL MUST BE DONE AND BECAUSE HE MUST BE GLORIFIED even through the creation of a speck of dust or a grain of sand and not because He is dependent on us to give Him glory as you demonically twisted what I said, you son of the Devil you.”

YHWH Elohim has no need of you. You are a lost soul. You have no light in you. The spirit of ARROGANCE and self-love and self-importance and venom is what animates you. You need to fall on your knees and beg your Father’s forgiveness. And you need to STOP spreading your filthy lies about Him. Begin reading the Scriptures all over again. You have completely missed and misinterpreted the entire message, Crosby – THE ENTIRE MESSAGE.

“As I said from the start, I had you banged to rights, because I have been given the gift of Spiritual discernment and can sense a demonic spirit within two sentences of their vile utterings.”

Unfortunately for you, Crosby, I am not the one you need to convince of this. You will need to convince another.

“Now repent if you know what’s good for you or you will hear these words from Yashua Anointed: “Go away from me for I never knew you.” There will be weeping and wailing and the gnashing of teeth.”

May your Father in Heaven forgive you. May He have mercy on you. May He cast mercy and forgiveness on us both.

“Yes, and feel free to follow me around as you pathetically threatened and I will rebuke you at every turn exposing you for the Torah Old Covenant Judaiser that you are.”

Do as you will. I won’t be hard for you to find.

“Now go and repent and don’t come back until you have.”

I repent daily, Crosby. Not to you. Never to you, until you have redeemed yourself. May our Father in Heaven give you light for discernment, may He give you understanding and vision, may He give you peace for your wrath and your bad blood. May He turn you and you be turned.

Amen

I have to hand it to you you’re the most slippery satanic snake in the grass I have ever yet had to deal with. Top marks.

So tell me how this works:

“I’ll say it again: The Apostle Paul has NO AUTHORITY to speak, write, teach or preach, contrary to the Word.”

When did Paul ever do that? And you will quote Scripture to prove what you say or I will call you a liar as well as a Judaiser.

“the Commandment, and the Instruction of YHWH Elohim Most High.”

What Commandment are you referiing to?

“Luckily for the apostle, he never did so.”

Well did he or didn’t he? For in one breath you are accusing him and in the next you’re saying he didn’t, which is it?

Now I am even more confused. Not surprisingly.

Elsewhere you have said that you believe that you are saved by grace.

How does this fit in with all your Law keeping and commandment keeping?

And can you tell me how you gain perfection in order to obtain eternal life?

What if we fail in keeping the commandments at different times, possibly with great regularity?

“We show our faith by our works. Works of what? Works of the Law.”

Where does it say: “works of the law”?

“What if we fail in keeping the commandments at different times, possibly with great regularity?”

There is no IF about it. We will fail. The perfect Sacrifice of Messiah Yehoshua will be our covering at these times. Our faith in our Master will enable us to partake of His saving grave.

“We show our faith by our works. Works of what? Works of the Law.” Where does it say: “works of the law”… …I should have said where does it show works of the law in relation to our faith?”

Works of righteousness which are not contrary to the Law are OF the Law; they are according to the Law. The Apostle Paul showed that in some instances, Gentile followers of Messiah were following the Law even though they had not been ‘schooled’ in the Law (raised in the Torah) as many of the Jews had. In some cases, certain of the Jews who were taught the Law were behaving in a manner which was contrary to the Law while certain of the Gentiles, by nature, were behaving in ways which were in keeping with the Law. All works of righteousness are works according to the Law. The Instruction (Torah) of YHWH is much more than dietary restrictions and attention to cleanliness.

Matthew 7:12

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: For this is the Law and the prophets.

This is the purpose of the Law.

Faith is shown through works – according to James. Faith was reckoned to Abraham for his willingness to ‘perform’ the order, the commandment, of the Almighty. The act is the visible manifestation of our faith, which is shown through our work. If a work is not contrary to the Law, then it is according to the Law. We are not to show our faith through deeds, acts and works which are contrary to the Law, but deeds, acts and works which are according to the Law.

We show our faith in our Master Yehoshua by our deeds which are according to His Law.

And of course, ‘apologies’ has only one ‘p.’

Shameful.

“I did ask specifically for where it says in The Holy Scriptures that our faith and its development is related or possibly dependent upon us doing ‘works of the law’? I have searched, but I cannot find any reference to this. Especially that the term ‘works’ can only refer to law keeping activities, when I thought it meant labour or toil – hard work in some cases. “Works of righteousness which are not contrary to the Law are OF the Law.””

Let us see if we cannot find an answer to this question among the following questions and answers:

“Is righteousness not justice? And is Yashua Anointed not the King of Righteousness (justice)?”

Messiah is the King of Righteousness and the King of Justice. Righteousness and justice must be properly defined only according to His Word and His Will. Let us be sure never to implement our own definition for the terms we use.

“Surely, in order to be administering justice we have to be in positions of power as in a judge on the bench – as yet we do not hold those positions, but one day will, only higher, so how do lowly mere mortals fulfill the Law by administering justice – righteousness?”

According to the patterns evident in the Scriptures, there will be greater and lesser fulfillments of prophecies and of scriptural terms used. We are promised that we will be co-rulers and co-judges with our King. This would first entail a completion on a smaller scale of an event which is prophesied in the Book. At some point in the distant future, it is written that Messiah will have brought all of Creation under His rule. He will then lay all of the Creation and the Kingdom at His Father’s feet, and The Father will become all in all. In similar fashion, we are to subject ourselves to our own rule, according to the Law. We are to be dictators and masters over ourselves. All thoughts and appetites, all words and all deeds are to be governed by us, according to His Law. At such time as we have succeeded in ruling and judging ourselves, we can lay our being (spirit, heart, mind, body) at the feet of our Master and become perfectly willing to be ruled by Him – even as He rules us now, for this is an ongoing process. The perfected man is the Ark of the Covenant. The wood of the Ark (man) is covered outside and inside with a veneer of gold (that gold He implores us to ‘buy’ from Him). The solid gold mercy seat (Messiah) is the covering for the Ark. Messiah is our covering. He covers our shortfalls during this process of our becoming. However, it is during this process of our becoming that we are to be learning and practicing the proper application of rule and justice. First we learn to rule ourselves, and master the task. Then we will be co-rulers with our Master, YHWH of Hosts. Those men among us who have been given Earthly authority, no matter in how small a measure, are to wield that authority according to Justice and Righteousness, which is to say, according to His Law.

“I also fail to see how adminstering justice requires faith, perhaps you can explain that, as I find it quite easy and natural to determine what is right and wrong – just or unjust. No faith required at all.”

The administration of justice requires faith because the proper application of the Law requires faith. We serve our Master Yehoshua only by our faith in Him. The man alive at the time Messiah walked the Earth seved YHWH (if they did so truly) by their faith in Him. We can see by the letters of the Apostle Paul that the proper application of the Law is an application according the Spirit of YHWH, and not according to a strictly legalistic interpretation. Paul showed us the difference between a legalistic application of the Law (which is of no effect, for it is not according to His Will) and a correct, spiritual application of the Law. For example, when the Pharisees brought the adulterer to Messiah, to accuse her before Him and to see what His answer would be, the Pharisees knew that the Law required that the woman be put to death. We all know Messiah’s answer to the Pharisees. Messiah here applied the Law according to the spirit (according to faith). His response to the Pharisees was, in effect: “Yes. That’s the Law. But you’re not the Judge.” Messiah’s response was nothing like what the Pharisees imagined He would say, and they thought they knew the Law very well. But they left with their heads hanging in shame because they knew that they had been bested by Him. They knew that His interpretation of the Law was superior to their own interpretation, and could not be countered by their legalistic arguments. So we see that by all means, faith is required for a proper application of the Law. Doing what is correct; determining what is right and wrong, is not as easy as it seems because the definitions for right and wrong, for just and unjust, must come to us from the Scriptures (from the Word of YHWH) and not from our own hearts or imaginations. Do we really know right from wrong and just from unjust? Only He can tell us whether we do or not. We cannot answer this for ourselves without Him.

“What do you understand by the indwelling of The Holy Spirit after Baptism into Yashua Anointed’s name alone, and what it achieves for a man or a woman?”

In its present guise, Matthew 28:19 is a late and spurious addition to the Scriptures. Therefore, we are to be baptized into His Name only, as you say. Baptism requires repentance (which rules out the infant baptism of the Roman Church) and submersion into water. We are to be buried in water and die to the world, just as Messiah died and was buried. When the ‘presbuterion’ (the elder) withdraws us from the water, we have symbolically joined our Master in His resurrection from the dead. The elder will then lay hands on the baptized and the Spirit will enter the newly-born member of the Body of Messiah. What the indwelling of the Spirit achieves for the baptized is dependent upon an individual relationship with the Spirit. The gifts of the Spirit are many and variegated. Some will experience ‘electric’ sensations or will feel ‘power’ within themselves; others will not. Some may speak in tongues, while others won’t. What the Spirit achieves, on an individual basis, cannot be easily defined. The testimonies about baptism experiences are, for the most part, unique to the person being baptized.

“You also said in an earlier comment: “We gain perfection only through our faith in our Master Yehoshua.” Can you explain what you mean by GAIN perfection?”

At present, we experience a process. We are in the process of becoming who and what our Creator intends for us to become. We were not born complete, and we are not complete to this day – even if we have received baptism. The perfection process is ongoing. We are being tested and refined by our Creator. We are being tried, and we will be tried by His refining fire. The imperfections within us are the dross which must be burned away in order to produce the essential precious metals in their finest form. We are taught and we are corrected and we are chastised and we are called to suffer. These are all indispensable components of the formation process. We are not perfect beings. Messiah was a perfect being. He came to Earth to teach us what perfection looks like. Messiah is the Living example of the embodiment of the Torah of YHWH. Messiah is the Law fulfilled: The purpose of the Law served. (This of course does not mean that the Law is done away with as a result, only that the Law is a means to an end, and He is the End. We will be too, once we are perfected even as He is perfect.)

“Also, with this in mind, what do ‘works of the law’ achieve for us if, as you say, ‘works of the law’ help to develop or express our faith.”

We work, according to the Law, until we have come to a point in our existence where nothing we do is contrary to the Law. Nothing Messiah did was ever contrary to the Law. By studying and by living with the Torah of YHWH, we will learn how to serve our Master and His Father according to the Will of the Most High. Even a prince is servant to the King. Proper application of the Law, according to the Spirit and according to our faith, is what we should be trying to accomplish. The Law of YHWH should be followed and lived by us because of our faith in Messiah and our faith in His Father and for no other reason. Following the Law for any other reason will lead to legalism, which the Apostle Paul so aptly highlighted and exposed.

“The Pharisees were unbeatable, unassailable and unsurpassed no less, at the ‘works of the law’ and yet Yashua Anointed stated quite plainly and unambiguously that unless our righteousness exceeded or was greater and/or better than theirs, we would in no way enter the Kingdom of God. How do we, by ‘works of the law,’ beat the Pharisees, when they were plainly unbeatable?”

The Pharisees had studied and knew the Law to the letter. But their understanding of the Law was ‘dead’ because their understanding of the Law was not animated by the Spirit. There is a legalistic interpretation of the Law, which is a fulfillment of the Law as an end or a thing-in-itself. But the Law is not the thing-in-itself. The Law is a means to an End. Man cannot be saved through the Law, but man was not supposed to be saved through the Law. Therefore, the Law is not imperfect; the Law is perfect for what it is intended to accomplish. The Pharisees served the Law (when they should have served YHWH). They had a zeal for YHWH, but they were not filled with His Spirit, so they misapplied the teachings of the Torah and labored to fulfill the Law to the letter – but for the wrong reasons. Proper application (according to His Will) of the Law will not be legalistic and will not be a ‘to-the-letter’ application. A spiritual application (an application which is by faith) of the Law will always be superior to the Pharisees legalistic and dead application. No one could out-perform the Pharisees at their own game, but the Pharisees were playing the wrong game.

“Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t Yashua Anointed also say that if we fail in keeping one tiny bit of The Law we have failed in keeping it all?”

If any man could have fulfilled the requirements of the Law perfectly, he would have been a man without sin. No man (save for Messiah) ever managed to accomplish this. Therefore, when a man transgresses the Law he is in need of a sacrifice of atonement. We are to follow the Law. We will not be able to do so perfectly because we are imperfect beings in the process of becoming perfect. Where we fail and trespass against the Law, we are guilty and in need of atoning sacrifice. Messiah is our Atoning Sacrifice. Messiah has provided the covering we need to remain in good standing with our Father in Heaven. We cannot obey the Law sufficiently without His help. Messiah’s perfect Sacrifice (once and for all) replaced the animal sacrifice, which was a ‘stop-gap’ measure to be used until Messiah could accomplish the work for which He was sent. The innocent blood atones for the sin; we have Messiah’s innocent (and perfect) blood to cover for us when we trespass. Of course, this privilege must never be abused, and the Law must not be willfully transgressed.

“So with all this in mind can you explain how it is possible to achieve anything by endeavouring to do ‘works of the law’ whether it be for our faith development or anything else, when you have already admitted that we all fail in doing the ‘works of the law’ anyway.”

All of our daily deeds should be in keeping with the Torah of YHWH: From what we eat, to how we speak to each other, to how we conduct our daily affairs, to how we perform our labor in this world. Because we are Members of the Body of Messiah, our actions and the way we behave reflect on our Master and on His Father. Because we fail in perfect observance of the Law does not mean that we should not always be learning to become better at what we do. Scripture study is as important as learning to become a clean receptacle to His Word. As He teaches us, we learn from the lessons taught and apply what we have learned in order to more accurately walk according to His Instructions. We have failures in this regard, and we will continue to do so. But this is forgivable if we never stop trying to become what it is that He intends for us to become. This is perseverance to the end.

“Finally, if I love my brother, Yashua Anointed stated plainly that I will have FULFILLED The Law i.e. completely encapsulated it. If in doing that I have FULFILLED The Law what is the point of doing ‘works of the Law’?”

Whose definition are you using to define the word ‘love’? Are you using your definition, or are you using His? The Scriptures include a very detailed and accurate explanation of what love looks like, according to the Word, the Will and the Definition of the Most High. Let us make certain that what we are calling ‘love’ bears at least a very close resemblance to the term as defined in the Book. Messiah teaches us how we are to love our brother. We are not to define His terms according to our own thoughts and opinions, but rather to His Words and Instructions. Thus, is it even possible to love one’s brother without performing the deeds of the Law? (And remember, ‘Torah’ doesn’t really mean ‘Law’ – it means ‘Instruction.’ So – deeds according to His Instruction.)

“I trust you can now see why I am very confused by what you are saying. Oh, one other question: Would you agree that Yashua Anointed was under The Law whilst He walked this earth and not under Grace? I do have more questions about Abraham, which I cannot tie in with what you are saying.”

What are we under? We are under the merciful covering (the mercy seat) of the Ark of the Covenant (Messiah). Messiah is our merciful covering, and we are covered by His Saving Grace through our faith in Him. Therefore, we are not under the Law. This does not mean that we are not to obey the Law: The Life Instructions of our Father to His children. Messiah was not under the Law when He was on Earth. But this is not to say that He is not beholden to the same Life Instructions of His Father, as we are of our Father.

“Doesn’t this mean that ALL the core issues of our Faith in Yashua Anointed will be easy for ALL of us to understand?”

What is difficult to understand about verses like:

Matthew 5:18

For verily I say unto you, Till Heaven and Earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, till all be fulfilled.

Is this a difficult verse to understand? I can imagine no more black and white means of stating this message than Messiah has done in the above verse. And yet, it is insufficient, because almost all of His professed ‘followers’ are convinced that the Law has been done away with and rendered null and void. And again:

Luke 16:17

And it is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass, than one tittle of the Law to fail.

You ask for simplicity Mr. Crosby? There is simplicity. For some reason, we men are ‘stupidest’ when we try to glean a message from the simple instructions of the Scriptures. The message is simple; one need only listen to the message and not try to distort the message to fit one’s understanding. YHWH, Messiah, Abraham, Moses and all of the prophets all agree that the Law is eternal. The Law stands AT LEAST until the coming of the New Heaven and the New Earth. AND YET… along comes a lone man, who has a vision, and supposedly he has told us that the Law no longer stands. Who stands ready to receive greater judgment; the man with the message, or those who believed him over YHWH? No sir; the Apostle Paul did not come with any such message. The Apostle Paul would have been an enemy of Messiah had he in fact come with such a message. No matter how convincingly a message of a vacant Torah of YHWH Elohim is delivered to man, that message should never be accepted by anyone – least of all a disciple of Messiah. The Law stands. The Law will continue to stand. The Law will in no wise pass away until Heaven and Earth pass away. YHWH has been clear on this. Messiah has been clear. There is the simplicity you ask for. The confusion was added by the Adversary and by the Church. Trying to undo what the enemy has done is where the confusion comes from. This is not an easy task.

“Surely there must be Scripture and verse that shows and confirms exactly what you are saying about ‘works of the law’ being an expression of our faith.”

The works written of in the Book of James are the works intended. If the Torah stands (and it stands), then the only works acceptable to YHWH and to Messiah will be works of the according to the Torah. There should be no need to make this distinction. Works which are pleasing to our Master and to His Father, works which show our faith in our Master and in His Father, CAN ONLY BE works according to the Instruction of YHWH Elohim Most High. There can be no two ways about this. If it cannot be shown that the Torah has been disannulled (and it cannot be shown, for it cannot be so), then the only works James could have meant would be works according to the Torah.

“If I am already saved by His death and resurrection and the Grace that eminates from that phenominal event and I am made perfect through my continued faith in Him, what else is there?”

Here you speak of this process of salvation as if it had already been concluded. This process is ongoing. Salvation is by no means guaranteed to any of us. (A better way of saying this would be that those of us, known to our Father from before the foundation of the Earth, to whom salvation is made sure by Messiah’s Sacrifice, can never be certain until we have been told to our faces, by Him, that we are saved. Brothers and sisters who are certain in their own minds of their own salvation have simply deluded themselves. The Apostle Paul wrote in his letters that his own salvation was uncertain, so how dare any of us to presume our own salvation to be certain?) We have salvation made available to us by the Perfect Sacrifice of Messiah. You are not perfect. None of us are. It is fair to say that we are “made perfect through [our] continued faith in Him”, but it is not fair to assume that this process has reached its conclusion. We are not perfect. We are becoming perfect.

“How do we stand with Him before this point in time and what is the significance in terms of our relationship with Him after this supposed point in time takes place? Is this some kind of additional perfection that we have achieved? What if one dies before this supposed event is reached?”

You have been baptized with water, have you not? Of course you have. Have you been baptized with fire? Of course you have not. We are to be baptized by fire at some point near the end of our process of becoming. How we walk in relation to Messiah (according to the Way) before this point in time is dependent upon our understanding of the Holy Scriptures and how we put into practice that which we have learned. You seem to have reached a conclusion in your own mind that you have attained to a level or a plateau of perfection. I would strongly caution against this mind-set. We are vastly flawed and imperfect beings. We will all die before attaining perfection, but where we are with respect to the process is what I understand will determine our placement in the hierarchy of the Kingdom. None of us (save one) has reached perfection by the time of physical (actual – not baptismal) death.

“Can you explain your statements in the light of these Holy Scriptures?

1 John 3:3 (KJV) And every man that hath this hope in Him purifieth himself, even as He is pure.

Let us look at the preceding verse:

1 John 3:3

Beloved, now are we the sons of Elohim, AND IT DOTH NOT YET APPEAR WHAT WE SHALL BE: but we know that, WHEN HE SHALL APPEAR, WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM; for we shall see Him as He is.

Clearly, we are talking about something that has not happened yet. Simple.

“If I am as pure as my elder brother Yashua Anointed what more do I need to achieve?”

Surely, certainly, you have not drawn the conclusion that you are as pure as Messiah, have you? This would be a terrible error for you to have become hampered by, if in fact you have reached such a conclusion. No man alive in this age, at any time in the past, present or future, will ever attain to the perfection and purity of Messiah. There is no sound alternative to this statement. John never says that you will become as Messiah is (in this age) – he says that you will partake of the same purity; purity from the same source. You are not pure as Messiah is pure. You are not perfect as Messiah is perfect. None of us are, none of us were, and none of us will be, for the duration of this age. With the coming of the Kingdom, the baptism of fire, and the Resurrection of the Just, we can expect to see the first vestiges of perfection in mankind – a restoration to the original state of man; the pre-fallen state of being similar to the first Adam.

You quoted the following verse:

1 John 3:6 (KJV) Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Those disciples and followers of the Way of Messiah cannot sin, for the reason that we have Messiah’s Perfect Sacrifice to cover for us. We can transgress the Law, and we can trespass, but in the truest sense of the term, we cannot sin.

“The Law was always there to reveal sin as you have stated and now that I do not sin what is The Law for in my case?”

You quoted:

1 John 3:9 (KJV) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Why did Messiah observe the Torah of YHWH? The Torah is more than the ‘Law’. The Torah is Life Instruction. If you cannot sin, you certainly CAN act in compliance with the Instruction of the Almighty. The reason we cannot sin is because of our Master, not because of our own merit or righteousness. We are unrighteous and we have no merit of our own. Merit and righteousness come to us only through our Savior.

“I think this verse (1 John 3:9) confirms what I have been saying but please say if there are other things I need to be doing in terms of Law keeping in order to make me faithful i.e. to trust in Him more than I do already. I mean He is only ALL my power and ALL my strength and ALL my being. I mean, what are these side issues compared with ‘works of the law’? Please tell me.”

You have an ‘aide’ at the moment to pick up all of your slack. Messiah covers for all of your shortcomings. You do have shortcomings. A goal of all of us should be to learn THE WAY of Messiah Yehoshua and to apply what we have learned so that we need to rely on Him less and less. He will cover for us while we need Him to, but the idea is to progress to a point where we no longer need to rely on His covering. It is at that time when we will have been perfected. We will know when this has happened because He will tell us so to our faces.

“Can you show me in the New Testament Scriptures under the New Covenant where it makes mention of us being under the Ark of The Covenant for this sounds to me like The Old Covenant that you are bringing into the age of Grace.”

Are you saying that the ‘Old Covenant’ is no longer in effect? The Apostle Paul would disagree with you:

Galatians 3:15

Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man’s covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannuleth, or addeth thereto.

17. And this I say, that the covenant that was confirmed before of Elohim in Messiah, The Torah, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

How then can the ‘Old Covenant’ itself be disannulled? Where is it written that the Old Covenant has been disannulled? Everything in the Old and the New Testament tells us that the Old Covenant will not be terminated or replaced. It can be added to with a New Covenant, but it cannot be disannulled. A covenant cannot be changed or added to. A new covenant can add something new, but it DOES NOT make null and void the covenants which came before. The covenant which came before remains AS IT WAS/IS. This is what the apostle has here said. It is so with the covenants of men; how much more so with the covenant of YHWH. Simple.

“Finally, if I love my brother, Yashua Anointed stated plainly that I will have FULFILLED The Law i.e. completely encapsulated it. If in doing that I have FULFILLED The Law what is the point of doing ‘works of the Law’?”

If today (in theory) you have a perfect day, wherein you do not ever violate the precepts of the Torah, but you fulfill the Law to the exact specification of the Scriptures; are you not required to do the same on the morrow? By your deeds, you may become Torah-compliant, but you will never have fulfilled the Law to the point where you are not required to CONTINUE to do so. The requirement to obey the Instructions of our Father in Heaven will not go away, no matter how perfectly we perform the duties of Torah-compliant sons.

“It is a very straight forward question and Yashua Anointed makes no mention of loving our brothers ACCORDING TO THE LAW He just says to love our brothers i.e. to do them no harm and do unto them as we would have them do unto us. This is a heart thing do you understand that concept?”

The terms used in the Scriptures should only be defined by the Scriptures. Messiah tells us how we are to love our PREMIER BROTHER; HIM. We are to show our love for HIM by following His Commandments. You cannot love your Master Yehoshua if you do not have His Commandments written on your heart. You do not have His Commandments written on your heart if you do not know or do not follow His Torah.

We’ll try things a bit differently this time. No point doing it all over again. You wrote:

“I will return with more questions later especially about your replies to the verses from 1 John 3 and some other things.”

Of course. Nothing is off limits. I will provide you with an email address if you like.

Yehoshua our Master (Yashua Anointed if you like, I will never argue with you over His Name) has come to Earth in the flesh of a man, was pursued and tormented by a world which did not recognize him, was tried in a wicked court, sentenced to die by a wicked people, tortured, hanged and killed. He was resurrected to Life on the third day by His Father in Heaven. His Perfect Sacrifice made possible the salvation of man, according to the Work of the Most High. It is through man’s faith in Master Yehoshua (and via no other means) that man may approach to the Kingdom of Heaven, and may see the Father.

To be honest with you sir, I have not written these words above to help you, but rather to rob you of any last remaining excuse you had to pretend that you are unaware that when you address me, you address a disciple of Messiah Yehoshua and a believer in His Father. Henceforth, you have no excuse to communicate with me in a reckless, insulting, or derogatory fashion. You continue to do so at your peril.

You have asked me:

“[W]hy is it that when I read your diatribes I don’t hear Yashua Anointed’s voice all I hear is the voice of a lawyer – an expert in The Law and an intellectual, somewhat like a politician, evading and attempting to explain away everything I enquire of him? This is the spirit that I feel emanating from you and that I am experiencing. What have you to say about that?”

Since you have asked me what I think, I will tell you again what I have already told you. Because you labor under the weight of gross miscalculation, willful neglect of the DIRECT words of YHWH Himself over what you believe to be an interpretation of the words of a man, and terribly impure doctrine ripped straight from the pages of the Kabbalah, you have no sound gage or meter with which you can detect the spirit behind my words. You only think you can. You have misjudged because you have allowed yourself to become corrupted. You have allowed yourself to become corrupted because you have lacked prudence and attention to detail when you have studied the Scriptures. You have invented fabrications out of your own mind and doctrine out of your own heart. You rely on your own understanding, which you have been repeatedly warned and cautioned against BY HIM. You have stated that Master Yehoshua is nothing to you but a friend and a brother; THUS MAKING YOURSELF EQUAL WITH HIM. And finally, you have claimed for yourself the right to COUNTERMAND and to CONTRADICT the unchanging and unchangeable words of Holy Scripture; the inspired Word of YHWH ELOHIM MOST HIGH.

Let us deal with this next quote of yours finally; for after this I have no intention of addressing this with you further:

“This will be the third or fourth time I have asked of you to provide SIMPLE proof that we are to develop our faith by ‘works of the law’. Can you even show me where this term exists in The Holy Scriptures in relation to our faith? James says ‘works’ period, not ‘works of the law’ and unlike yourself I will quote The Holy Scriptures to prove my point.”

Mr. Crosby: Is there a simple verse or verses in the New Testament Scriptures which states in sophomoric terms that the works being described by James are ALSO Torah-compliant works of the ‘Law’? No. There is no such verse I can point you to that says so in the terms you are asking for. Now please HEAR THIS NEXT WORD, CROSBY. THE SCRIPTURES SHOULD NOT HAVE TO. If you are insisting that this connection be made for you, then you may well have missed the ENTIRE point of discernment. You are a man who seems enamored of ‘spirit’ and the ability to discern and detect, but I have only ever seen you TALKING about these things. Not once have I ever seen you put what you think you know into effect. Your spirit is on display on this message board FOR ALL TO SEE. Your spirit is NOTHING of the kind that you imagine it to be. This is my testimony to you. “You will know them by their fruit” Mr. Crosby. What is fruit? Is fruit works and deeds of sarcasm, nastiness, vitriol, insult and Torahlessness? You will be judged on your answer to that last question.

“Would you care to explain this, as it seems to paint James as being a very poor teacher indeed for being so remiss, incompetent no less, for ommitting the ‘cruciial associationship’ of The Law with our works of faith.”

The “associationship” you are looking for has not been omitted at all. The ‘associationship’ is written large throughout the entire Book of the Old and New Testaments. The association of works with the Torah has been expounded upon from the words “In the beginning” to the words “The Grace of our Master Yehoshua Messiah be with you all. Amen.” And you are asking me to show you where. Nothing has been omitted from the Scriptures. We have in our hands (or at least easy access to) a transmission of the written word which is precisely what our Father intended for us to have in these days. The word is there. You should enter into your study of the Scriptures as naked (in heart, mind and spirit) as the day you were born. Anything you take with you will drag you away from the Way of Messiah and into the weeds of doctrine. Are these the words of a lawyer, Mr. Crosby?

You would make life much easier on yourself if you stopped coming at this backwards. You are assuming that the Torah has been abrogated (rendered null and void). Why? Find the verses which seem to tell you this, and study those verses. Be sure to include in your study all of the surrounding verses as well. No such message of disannulment is contained within the pages of the Scriptures. Had that message been brought by the Apostle Paul, that message should have been discarded because Paul is a man who has no witnesses for such a message. That message should be rejected by all followers of Messiah anyway, since YHWH and Messiah have Themselves spoken clearly on that message. Paul never brought that message. Rather than assuming that he did, and rather than making the INSANE decision to believe such a message even if it were brought, find out for yourself whether that message is in fact contained within the pages of the Scriptures at all. Then find out what kind of spirit you are.

Peace be unto you.

In the hopes of communicating heightened emphasis on many of the points to follow, I have included many words in ALL-CAPS. Since there is no other way to transmit emphasis using the system of this message board, I have resorted to liberal usage of this technique. I do not intend to yell at you, only to draw extra attention to certain of the following words.

You wrote:

“Yashua Anointed said and I quote – “IT IS FINISHED” meaning ALL IS FULFILLED – everything – EVERYTHING WAS ACCOMPLISHED AT THE CROSS and you have the evil satanic audacity to say otherwise.”

Does “IT IS FINISHED” mean “ALL IS FULFILLED” Mr. Crosby? Look around you. Does it seem to you that all is fulfilled? Have we reached the end yet? Has His Work been concluded? You have got to be kidding me (as well as yourself) if you expect me to think for a second that you believe all is fulfilled. When the New Heaven and the New Earth have replaced the old Heaven and this Earth, at the beginning of the EIGHTH DAY, then all will be fulfilled. Messiah’s mission of becoming Salvation to mankind is what was finished by Him on the tree. To even postulate that the work of Salvation was concluded on that day, strains credulity to the uttermost extremity – and beyond. A man who claims what you have claimed does so ONLY out of an absurd and illogical attempt to show that the Torah is no longer in effect. ASK ANY FOUR YEAR OLD if it looks to him like all has been fulfilled. Stop playing games with me. Stop playing games with yourself.

You quoted:

Romans 9:31-32 (KJV) But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law.

Listen to the apostle and not to your own misleading message. Israel did not attain to THE LAW OF RIGHTEOUSNESS because they sought it not by faith. Had they sought THE LAW OF RIGHTEOUSNESS by faith, they would have attained to it according to HIS WORD. It does not get any simpler than this Crosby. The Hebrews did it wrong. This says nothing derogatory against the Torah, nor does it claim that the Torah has been abrogated (which again, the apostle CANNOT DO OR SAY).

You quoted:

Gal 2:16 (KJV) Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

MY patience is up to this task, Mr. Crosby, but put your reading glasses on. NO ONE CAN BE JUSTIFIED BY WORKS OR BY FOLLOWING THE INSTRUCTIONS CONTAINED IN THE TORAH. This is true because man CANNOT fulfill the Torah without violation. No man can. How many times must I repeat this to you? You cannot hear me saying this to you because you CHOOSE NOT TO HEAR ME. My saying this to you does not fit with your imaginary paradigm. You cannot pigeon-hole me into a neat little envelope which has me arguing that MAN CAN BE JUSTIFIED BY WORKS. We CANNOT be justified by works. Is this the same as saying that you ARE NOT ORDERED TO OBEY YHWH’s TORAH? No. It is not. By works of the Law shall NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED.

You quoted:

Gal 3:2-5 (KJV) This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

He that ‘ministereth’ to you of the Spirit and ‘worketh’ miracles does so by the hearing of the faith. No righteousness or merit or good from on High has come to him because of his works of the Law. THIS DOES NOT excuse that man from OBEDIENCE TO THE LAW. NOTHING excuses a man FROM OBEDIENCE TO THE LAW, with the exception of complete ignorance of the Law. This would mean that a man HAD NEVER heard anything about any Law of Elohim. I doubt such a man exists on Earth at the moment. But if one such as this did exist, the apostle tells us that sin had not entered into that man, who was truly ignorant of the Law. Again – I doubt such a man exists. I doubt he ever existed.

As quoted by you:

Gal 3:10-13 (KJV) For as many as are of the WORKS OF THE LAW ARE UNDER A CURSE: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT CONTINUETH NOT in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, THE JUST (RIGHTEOUS) SHALL LIVE BY FAITH 12 AND THE LAW IS NOT OF FAITH: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: (Brackets mine)

Without the Saving Grace of Messiah Yehoshua, THE ONLY WAY a man can attain to salvation is by PERFECT OBSERVANCE of the Torah of YHWH. Since man is incapable of perfect observance of the Torah, the only way to Salvation for man is through Messiah. ANY MAN who attempts to attain to justification of himself through his own performance of the works of the Torah IS DOOMED TO FAILURE. Any transgression at all, in even the slightest portion of the Torah, means that the man is guilty of disobeying the ENTIRE CODE OF INSTRUCTION. There are no just men except those that seek their Father’s Face through the Saving Grace of Messiah Yehoshua. NOW WATCH THIS:

“THE LAW IS NOT OF FAITH, BUT THE MAN THAT DOETH THEM SHALL LIVE IN THEM.”

Did you hear that Crosby? This comes to you from the very verse that you quoted. HOW ON YHWH’S GOOD EARTH do you mean for any of this to help you in your insane contention? WHY won’t you listen to the words of the apostle AND STOP imagining him to say something other than what he is saying? DO NOT rely on your own understanding BUT TAKE THE WORD AS IT IS WRITTEN TO MEAN WHAT IT SAYS.

Then you wrote:

“I am going to let these words of Yasahua Anointed’s most awesome spokesman Paul speak for themselves AND FOR ALL TO SEE.”

The words of the apostle are there in black and white for all to see. Brothers and sisters who take from these words a message of VOIDANCE OF THE TORAH will have NO ONE to blame for their decision. The Church advocates for the message of an abrogated Torah, but that message IS NOWHERE WRITTEN in the pages of the Bible. That message is IMAGINARY. It exists ONLY IN YOUR MIND. It exists nowhere within either the Old or the New Testament.

“Again more slippery snake behaviour. You know very well what I demanded of you – PROOF from the Book of James that works of the law are anyway related to faith, and I have now included the above Holy Scriptures for you to explain away. LOL”

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

“No, I have no shortcomings Mr Dib I am perfect and sinless, for He has made me perfect and sinless by the indwelling of The Holy Spirit. You see, there is one thing you have missed Mr Dib and that is The Truth that the Holy Spirit cannot reside with sin, or if you prefer it this way “new wine cannot be put into old wine skins.” My body of sin died at baptism and it’s only live bodies of sin that need The Law.”

Very well then; you have been warned directly. You have had the message delivered to you personally. You have been called to turn back from your great error. You have chosen to continue on in your illusion of equality with your MASTER. You have chosen to continue on in your delusion of PERFECTION. You have chosen to continue on in your fantasy that whatever spills out of your mouth is the truth, no matter how absurd or how distorted or how contrary to the Word of YHWH.

“Furthermore I will NEVER CEASE to rely on Yashua Anointed and the more I grow in the Faith, especially without the works of the law to imprison me and hold me back, the more I will depend upon Him for everything – as I said my whole being. Now your having meditated on these words of TRUTH for a few minutes should make you realise that law keeping is now redundant.”

I will stand forever by the Word of my Master. You go stand in delirium with your equal. You are in the midst of a sandstorm of pride and arrogance, Crosby. There is nothing you can see. You would not recognize the Way of Messiah if you tripped on it as you were crossing over and it hit you in the face. If the whirlwind of your pride and your arrogance subsides, you might gain some clarity. Never until then will you be able to see even your own hand in front of your face.

“Now if you say that you do have short comings or that you still sin or still classify yourself as a sinner then in no way will you inherit the Kingdom of God.”

I have already answered you directly on this point. Go back and read the words which neither of us can change. Perhaps those following this thread will be interested in what I have written, rather than the words you keep inventing for me out your dark mind. I suggest re-reading the thread from the beginning. I am finished repeating myself. You would be as incapable of hearing me this time as you have been all along. And it’s all your fault, Crosby. There will be none to blame but yourself.

I have no bearing at all on whether you will manage to access honesty within yourself. I can only write what I have written. I will not permit you to continue to poison this board with your unholy message, without being countered with Scripture wherever you post abominable words. Furthermore, I intend to include a link to this page whenever I see the need to counter you. I will also include quotes from you wherein you claimed for yourself the right to SPEAK WILLFULLY AGAINST SCRIPTURE. You have written, and I will be posting and reposting, the following quote by you:

“As a messenger of Yashua Anointed he (the Apostle Paul) had ALL POWER AND AUTHORITY to make any statement he wished, as do I, for I am also a messenger in his order.”

You have claimed for yourself the authority to make any statement you wish. You are obedient only to yourself. You have shrugged off the yoke of your Master. You have refused to obey Him. You have refused to obey His Father. You continue to refuse to obey. What does Messiah say about disobedience?

Matthew 7:21

Not everyone that sayeth unto Me, MASTER, MASTER, shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; BUT HE THAT DOETH THE WILL OF MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.

22. Many will say to Me in that day, MASTER, MASTER, have we not prophesied in Thy Name? and in Thy Name have cast out devils? and in Thy Name done many wonderful works?

23. And then I will profess to them, I never knew you: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.

24. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of Mine, AND DOETH THEM, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

26. And every one that heareth these sayings of Mine, AND DOETH THEM NOT, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand.

There is nothing I can say more than Messiah has already said. No one is asking you to listen to me. You are being asked to listen to HIM.

Amen.

You don’t know what proof is, so how can you search for it. You are utterly immune to evidence, and you have made your neck too stiff to be turned. It’s between you and your Creator. I have nothing further for you. The spirit in you is revolting.

I have waded through enough of your venomous spitting. I don’t care where you end up. I will pray for you, but only because He wants me to. Enough time has been spent in an attempt to reason with you. That time is now at an end.

I will wait for further postings by you elsewhere on this board. I will not allow you to spread your demented doctrine here without being opposed by Scripture. I will show your quotes and I will link to this page. I can only express sorrow for you as a result of your being confined in a body with yourself and your vile spirit. May you be released from your prison one day.

May YHWH give you peace and direction. May He give you guidance and wisdom.

I kick the dust from my shoes.

So yes2’truth’:

“Cain was the son of the union between Eve and The Devil in the Garden.”

So the Old Testament Scripture:

Genesis 4:1

And ADAM knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said: “I have gotten a man from YHWH.”

Would yes2’truth’ like for us to rewrite THIS verse of the Scriptures as well? I really wish you would change your screen name, Crosby. The audacity of including the word ‘truth’ in your name is the stuff of legends.

Truth: Your connection to the black and white message of the Scriptures is loose.

Perhaps you should attend to it before you move to spread any more of what you spread.

[The above comment by yes2'truth' will almost certainly be removed because Mr. Crosby has not managed to acquire the ability to communicate without using profanity. I include his entire posting in its censored form out of courtesy to those attempting to follow his logic.]

yes2′truth’ wrote:

“You see Paul Demonic Dib if we click on your handle we find nothing – emptiness = nothing of any value – making you wholly useless on this web platform.

If you click on my handle it will lead you to all the articles I have published here on BIN and amongst those articles are those on the subject of Adam, Eve and the Devil in the Garden.

Now because you are stuffed full of arrogant ego I don’t expect you to go there and learn anything so I will just continue to label you as the Biblically ignorant dumb (a–) that you are.”

That is brilliantly well-defended, sir. You have nothing with which to mitigate your preposterous and anti-scriptural claims, so you instead point to yet more fluffy subterfuge in some other area of supposedly related interest. Have you a record of all the misleading and deceitful ramblings with which you have peppered this board? Good for you. Vanity. It is all vanity. You include an image of a Bible as your avatar. Are you at all interested in the actual words contained within the pages of the Book you advertise? Or are you simply interested in venting your vapors and labeling them as ‘truth.’ Perhaps you would care to author your own version of the Bible, since your version of the ‘truth’ is the only one you seem capable of recognizing. No one should care about your opinions when it comes to the Book, Mr. Crosby. And no does. When someone asks you to defend your beliefs with verses from the Scriptures, you point to any other source to your own shame and discredit.

At first I thought you merely to be a crabby and abusive old man who suffered from poor social skills. I’m beginning to recognize you as something other entirely. You will provide chapter and verse from the Scriptures in support of your assertions, or you will continue to espouse meaningless Kabbalistic drippings from some rusty faucet in your mind. What’s your pleasure?

Have you even read the Bible once in its entirety?

Wherever you tread, Crosby…

..I’ll be right behind you.