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The New Apostacy, Pre-Apostacy Signs Vs Post Apostacy Signs

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Joseph Chambers * Paw Creek Ministries

THE SPEED AT WHICH THE END IS APPROACHING HAS REACHED INDESCRIBABLE PROPORTIONS. All of the Biblical signs have been fulfilled, at least to a highly discernable level. The apparent signs were complete years ago and most Bible believing Christians of 30-40 years prior were sure that Jesus would come before the 1970’s or 1980’s were over. What most of us did not perceive was a whole new level of signs that our experiences and Bible understanding had not prepared us to receive. These new signs are very different, even imperceptible to anyone already caught up in the present apostasy. This second level of signs I will call the post-apostasy ones.

Let’s get a picture of what we are talking about. This great truth came like a rushing storm to my heart. The Holy Spirit filled my study and I knew He was giving me a beautiful and Biblically sound revelation. There are two levels of end time signs in the Holy Scripture. The first level we will identify as the pre-apostasy signs and the second as the post-apostasy signs. What is the difference?

Pre-apostasy signs are very clear even to the lukewarm or the non-Christian. For thirty (30) to forty (40) years much of the church world and a large amount of the non-church have seen and understood these Biblical proofs of His soon returning. Books like Hal Lindsey’s The Late Great Planet Earth have sold millions and were filled with these simple signs of Christ’s coming.

Post-apostasy signs are of a totally different style and cannot be understood by an unbelieving world. They are signs that have a deep Biblical significance and will not be readily acceptable to a church world already seduced by the lies of the Apostate Leaders. It’s easy to see the difference of the signs before apostasy is dominant and those signs after apostasy is in great sway. We are now experiencing the last level of end time evidence. This is the post-apostasy period.

A penetrating scripture is recorded in II Peter 3:3-4. It states, “Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.” (2 Peter 3:3-4) We here these kinds of remarks everywhere. There is a great departing from the once loved “Hope of His Imminent Appearance.”

Please note that this scripture is in reference to the last of the last times before the Son of God returns. The word last in this usage mans remote times. Scoffers are not just critics but, “false prophets who jeer at such truth as the great return of Jesus for His chosen Bride.” These are religious leaders who find their pleasure in the life style clearly evidenced by today’s television evangelists and empire building idols. They are not prophets of God because they would live like a prophet if they were. (Remember how Elijah refused the money of Naaman to perform religious activities.) Prophets scorn the world, not embrace it.

Pre-Apostasy Signs. These are the signs that excited the church world for an entire generation. I have personally been shouting over these signs for 60 years this past March. Now, nobody wants to hear them. They are actually scorned. Let’s list a few of them.
1. The nation of Israel that was born after almost 2000 years of exile: From the far corners of the globe they have returned to their promised land. Since the flag featuring the Star of David was hoisted in 1948, they have proved invincible to a myriad of enemies. This fact alone is like a time clock of certainty.
2. Signs in the elements: The natural world is reeling under a strange but escalating sense of destiny. Earthquakes are at a level of frequency unknown to history. Famines are scourging one geographic area while waste and plenty exist in another. The weather is quirky and unpredictable. Infectious diseases are rampant while wars and rumors of wars are clearly out of control. The elements of nature witness to impending judgment.
3. Growing worldliness in the church: What we used to call worldliness has now given way to apostasy. Worldliness is love for the world that draws away the person with a waning love. In the past they were easily convicted and would usually repent and change courses when periods of revival came. Now they thumb their noses at holiness preaching and move to a more comfortable church sitting. We’ve got plenty of preachers ready to make them satisfied in their sins.

The difference in worldliness and apostasy is two-fold. First, apostasy means to depart from the faith to another gospel. There is much evidence of such today. The gospel of soft love and self esteem, prosperity and positive confession, entertainment and feel-good theology is the antithesis of Christ’s message of crucifixion, self-denial, cross-bearing and sacrificial service. The second expression of apostasy is, “to sin without grief and to be worldly without conviction.”

There are certainly many other early signs of Christ returning but these suffice for this message. There was a time you could preach these overwhelming evidences and witness a harvest of conversions. They stir little interest today. Add to them the much evidence of a pending one world government, the United Nations of Europe, computer readiness to control the masses and the growing New Age movement and Let him who heareth understand what the spirit is saying unto the churches” (Revelation 2 and 3). Its time to believe the Holy Book and that it is infalllable.

Post-Apostasy Signs. The post-apostasy signs move us into an entirely new and different mindset. These signs are mostly religious in nature and have an air of intellectualism. They are clearly designed to deceive people who are highly cultured and educated. Their religious nature makes them emotionally exciting and mentally captivating. “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect” (Matthew 24:24).

It is important that you understand the distinction between false Christ and antichrist. The two words are very different. One is antichristos and the other is pseudochristos. This post-apostasy period is witnessing the overwhelming effect of a pseudochristos presence. It is Christ with a little c, or Christ reduced to the control of man without His sovereignty and stripped of His blinding Holiness. The present church as a whole is a perfect picture of a Santa Claus mentality with lots of gifts but absolutely no responsibility for purity. It will be rejected.

1. One of the first signs of the post-apostasy period is anti-Semitism spreading in the church. There is a growing distaste for national Israel among religious leaders. The unbelieving Jew is still an enemy for the gospel’s sake, but he is beloved for the Father’s sake (Romans 11:28). Earl Paulk, Jr., of Atlanta, GA, writes “Some of the strongest fundamental churches still preach that Christ will return to gather national Israel unto Himself, and I say that is deception and will keep the Kingdom of God from coming to pass!” (Earl Paulk, The Handwriting on the Wall) “When Israel gets pushed into the sea, or converted to Christ, Scofieldism dies a fast death. Rest assured, I have a manuscript ready to go when either of these events happens.” (Letter dated April 30, 1987 to Peter Lalonde) This dear man was the International Radio Minister for the Church of God and the son of one of the great leaders in that denomination. I knew him personnally. What could have turned him from this truth? One thing, SIN!

2. The second sign is the utopia/prosperity/pleasure preaching of our generation. A message of good times ahead is heard today only from the pulpit and in an election campaign. Every other messenger knows better. From the scientist to the environmentalist, we hear the warning but the feel-good theology of the church won’t allow the preachers to tell it like it is. One leading Church of God pastor wrote in a church bulletin that we are about to enter the New Age of prosperity. (Dr. Paul Leverne Walker, Atlanta, GA). Another said, “Praise God the tabernacle is being restored!” (Lifelines, Randall D. Worley, Charlotte, NC) The last statement was made in an article announcing “guru” dancing in the church. I know both of these ministers will and they are not bad men, but lead astray by the new mindset in the church world.

3. The loss of Biblical convictions and the uncommon lifestyle is one of the most disturbing signs. A recent confidential survey of ministries reported 50% admitted extramarital affairs. It was documented that 80% of all registered attendees at the 1988 Religious Broadcasters Convention in Washington, D.C., ordered X-rated movies into their rooms. It is now acceptable (to the apostate church) for a minister or laity to divorce, remarry and continue in leadership and even to be applauded as examples. If God doesn’t judge the church (He will), He would have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.

4. The New Age has entered the church. Choreographed tongues and dance in only the outward evidence. When ritualistic schemes replace the freedom and beauty of Christ-centered, Holy Spirit led worship you can change from Jesus Christ to a guru and never alter your program. New Testament worship cannot be choreographed. The Holy Spirit will not yield to manipulation. He is sovereign and His gifts are divided severally as He will every time they are manifested.

4. The last post-apostasy sign that I will mention in this article is concerning the new gospel being preached in our pulpits. Self-love and self-esteem with Jesus Christ will radically change a person’s life and with that change alter their image of themselves. We become children of God in a redemptive sense and heirs of every appropriate promise in the Bible. But it doesn’t begin with self-love, but with conviction and disgust for our sinful self.

To preach self-love or self-esteem as a premier message is totally deceptive. It makes the individuals satisfied with themselves; it raises their human potential alright, but at the expense of truly changing the evil heart. This new individual refuses to accept Biblical instruction that convicts them of unholy lifestyles. To think negative even of one’s sins is contrary to this mindset. These individuals sweep the garbage under the rug where it will gather until an overload comes; and come it will.

The masquerading spirits of this hour are so evident in promoting this new religious thinking that the obedient Bible-believing Christian or minister feels himself under siege. The remnant who refuse to bow to such thinking will not be the most loved. Expect to be persecuted in an escalating manner.

When you view the pre-apostasy and post-apostasy signs from a Biblical perspective it becomes clear that we are at the crisis hour. Seeing these signs from the two different angles helps to understand the neglect of Bible Prophecy in most churches. When a Christian college or university has one department teaching psychology and another teaching theology, one or the other is out of place. The basic departure in our Biblical teaching is the result of the new marriage of these two competing ideas.

An article in the American Psychologist (August 1988) entitled “Psychology’s Mentalist Paradigm and the Religious/Science Tension” documents this wedding. Its author, R.W. Sherry, tells us that this convergence between science and religion has paved the way for the new man and his new world. The above statement sums up his paradigm. Perhaps no idea is of more critical practical concern than the potential application of this paradigm in an ideology for world government.”

The new world and new ideology is unquestionably the soon-coming World Kingdom of the Antichrist. Who would have believed that Pentecostals, Evangelicals and Charismatics would succumb to this deception and be spokesmen for the man of sin? It is happening and many church members are being sucked unwittingly into its confusion. Before that Kingdom of Evil can experience its short but violent life, Jesus is coming for those who are over comers. No wonder Revelation chapters two and three emphasize the fact that only the over comers will escape this horrible hour! Jesus spoke these last words by the lips and hand of John in Revelation 3:10: “Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.” Only the patient (those who don’t bend when the heat is on) and the over comers will escape the last fling of Satan’s vengeance and the wrath of God’s offended holiness.

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      Both 1 Peter and 2 Peter are writings of Pharisees under Peter’s name.

      • sage_brush

        Can you prove that statement?


          Matthew 13:41 Christ returns to reign on earth
          Zechariah 9:9 The Lord shall return to earth to reign from Jerusalem
          Matthew 5:5 The meek shall inherit the earth
          Revelation 20:7-8 After 1000 year reign of Christ on earth, Satan let loose again on the earth

          Many passage say Jesus returns to reign on earth, peace on earth, Jerusalem restored.

          The gospel of circumcision was committed to Peter (Galatians 2:7) but just for Jews, according to the anti-Christ Pharisee Paul. Jesus Christ is the minister of the circumcision (Romans 15:8).

          So I’ve established Peter is the apostle of ‘follow God’s law’, which is what gospel of “circumcision” means, it means to keep the circumcision, keep the laws of God BUT only for the Jews, according to the anti-Christ (for Gentiles as well, see Matthew 28:19 & Rev 14:6).

          Peter is teaching what the minister of circumcision taught and Peter was with the minister of circumcision, and the minister of circumcision told Peter and his other apostles that which is recorded in Matthew 13:41, Peter has the prophets of God (Zechariah, Isaiah, etc) who all say Messiah shall return to this earth.

          So why would Peter write in the alleged writing of Peter (but it’s not Peter):

          Peter 3:12 “Looking forward and hastening the day of God when the heavens shall be on fire and the elements shall melt with fervent heat ….”

          The Pharisees wrote the foregoing and claimed it was Peter.

          Peter is an apostle to the minister of circumcision, so Peter follow God’s law and God’s prophets. So no way is Peter going to break God’s commandment and say “look forward to and hasten the day of God”:

          Amos 5:18 “Woe to you that desire the Day of the Lord ….”

          The Bible did not come out of God’s Temple as did the Ark of the Covenant in which was placed the Book of the Law. The Bible, that is the cover titled Bible and the act of placing all the writings thereunder and claiming that all writings therein are of God – was done with pagan Roman Emperor Constantine presiding at a meeting termed “Council of Nicea” with religious authorities – Pharisees and scribes. Jesus said the gates of Hell will not prevail against his gospel so in all Bibles something of his gospel is in there, whether John and Matthew, or more than those two, at least Jesus got his gospel in there.

          Again, the Bible did not come out of the Temple of God which was no more as of 70 a.d.. The writings chosen for the Bibles were chosen by men (except that Jesus made sure his gospel made it in there) and men disagree on what is and what is not a writing of God and for that reason, Bibles vary as to number of writings. The Protestant Bible has the least number of writings (66), Ethiopian bible the most (81).

          Roman Emperor Constantine was fully on board with the Bible being a great leader he most certainly appreciated the Pharisees teaching their Gentile subjects that all in government are of God and you Gentiles give your complete obedience and submission (Romans 13). Hot damn yeah this is a leader’s dream come true, all my subjects are to be taught everyone in my government is of God hahaha. And the Pharisees suckered and duped Gentiles to turn over their wealth and give their total obedience and submission to them, because the Pharisees are Gentiles’ spiritual leaders.

    • Pix

      Didn’t he die of a heart attack after spending all his money advertising the end of the world rapture last year, that didn’t happen? Then claimed he made a miscalculation, posted another date, equally wrong?

      The only thing you people have that is perfect, is a 100% track record of being wrong 100% of the time. :lol:

      • Pix

        Truth is you people don’t believe it your selves, but you want everyone else to believe it. We know for a fact you don’t believe it or you would be living a completely property free existence as commanded twice by Jesus.

    • Louis

      Paw Creek Ministries is an apostate ministry incapable of administering any valid sacraments except Baptism. Why settle for less when you can have it all by becoming Catholic which offers seven valid sacraments — conduits of grace from Heaven.

      • AbbasKid

        LOL…Yeah, Right

    • Anonymous

      You forgot to add that when the US legalizes gay marriages in all 50 states WE ARE DOOMED because we will become S & G. That is why that story was left there. It is a LESSON.

      We will be ATTACKED possibly by nuclear weapons also?

      The other sign you forgot was “this Gospel” (the real gospel) will be preached to ALL the world and that hasn’t happened yet in N. Korea or Cuba. The last two vestiges of ol` time communism.

      BUT IT IS CLOSE, because Fidel is on his death bed and Kim Chung has been making friendly overtures to S. Korea and the WEST.

      The other thing to note is the spread of technology to bring in this verse, “the whole world will see their dead bodies….”, and “…every eye will see Him.” The spread of social media like Face Book and iPhones for rapid spread of information. These two show the CURRENT ability of this technology. More are in store.

    • sage_brush

      There is a distinct difference to what is present now in the world – the “lukewarm” church of Revelation 3, and the apostate church – which will actively support anti-Christ. The dominant church now has the beginnings of being apostate – but after the rapture, of course, the apostates will fall for “him” hook, line, and sinker.

      • scprguy

        sorry sage_brush- there is no ‘rapture’ so the alleged ‘church’ can escape the judgement portion of the Trib (1st 3 yrs). Too many paid priests, man educated ‘pastors’, taught via mans own understanding, are/have wrongly taught the sheep, there is a ‘get out of jail’ free card in the waiting for them.

    • josh

      Umm, antisemitism. This guy was right except on this issue. He quotes one verse in Romans 11 and ignores the context, which is Romans 9-11. It is not antisemetic to stand against the very real evil of Zionism. There is a big difference between Israel, the secular and antichrist, nation state, and true Israel, the Church. Nowhere in Scripture does it say Christians are to support national Israel no matter what. Nor does it say Christ will return and gather national Israel to Himself. It says only a remnant will be saved. Not all Israel is Israel. Not all Jews are children of the promise. Also, Jesus preached against any temporal kingdom and called Jews to embrace the Kingdom of heaven. There is no way Christ supports Israel’s idolatry of a temporal kingdom and piece of land. Christians don’t have an earthly country and we’re true Israel! The prophecy of Jews returning to a piece of land was fulfilled 500 years before Christ when the last 3 remaining tribes of Israel left captivity in Babylon. 1948 did not fulfill biblical prophecy. Israel, the nation state, was founded largely with the help of the Atanic, Jewish, Rothschild family. Now so many Christians propagate a lie instead of study Scripture and listen to the Holy Spirit on this matter.

      • josh

        Umm, antisemitism?*

      • josh

        Satanic* Jewish Rothschild family.
        …sorry for the typos. I hate typos.

      • scprguy

        Very good discernment displayed there Josh…you are miles and miles ahead of most of those who call themselves ‘christian’, in your understanding; and I include those who ‘preach or teach’ too.
        The Land Promise was already fulfilled, but most folks forget the rest of the prophecy concerning Israel. Is there peace in the land? Nope. Is there a King in the land? Nope. Do they worship the Lord in ‘spirit & truth’ as Jesus Himself declared of ‘jews’ in John 4? Nope. Heck, they don’t even occupy the entirety of the land promised to them, but a sliver. Even the Star of David isn’t a true ‘jewish’ symbol at all, but the menorrah which points prophetically to the 7 churches of Revelation, with a twist however. The center candle is Jesus, the others are the 6 churches since one (Laodecia), goes into full blown apostasy!
        Natural modern Israel however, does play an end times role, as it is the ‘religions’ of the world, including Judiasm, Christianity, Islam et al, who are clammoring for the real estate which at the beginning of mans history, contained the ‘Garden’ which was planted ‘eastward in Eden’; but most of them just don’t realize it. :)

        Stay on your path Josh…you’re doin well!

      • TurtleCreeWoman

        Josh, I never hear mention of veiled threats from the pulpit that those Christians that do not support Israel totally will lose there salvation. Just bringing up the theory that we Christians are symbolic of Israel can make some Church going Christians scoff rather than using critical thinking, study of scripture overall. Jesus surely did not mean that we pluck out our eye, rather we are part of the body of Christ and perhaps if part of this Holy body is causing sin, remove it. Could he have meant this all seeing eye of those people in very high places for example?. We invite them into our fold and protecting Zionism at any cost is not in the Bible as I seek to understand it. So many will argue a point in the Bible yet there last resort is to ask the very God they worship. He does answer. I have a fear of even trying to join a Church now days. Not saying there is not good, just that I cannot leave my Creator at the door to enter some of them anymore than I can stop breathing. It is Jesus who teaches one how to live.

    • cinderelement

      Excellent article!

    • scprguy

      The problem with today’s ‘church’, is religion at it’s heart. Many groups will say, ‘oh, we’re not religious’, but I’ll bet any true believer with an ounce of discernment, can point out the exact order of events that happen in almost all of them every Sunday.
      Christianity, like Judaism, is a religion and neither are from our Lord. He allowed them to grow, just as He allowed the Hebrew people to go into captivity in Egypt and how He allowed His church, the Apostolic Church known as ‘The Way’, to be taken into religious captivity. He does this so He can demonstrate His awesome power in delivering those who are truly His, out of it, as long of course, as the individual wants to be taken out. Ex: Before the Israelites even got to the Nile River in Exodus, a great many of them were already complaining to Moses and wanted to go back to their servanthood in Egypt.
      By the time our Lord came on the scene, the religion of Judiasm was in full fledged apostasy, which is why they hated Him so much and wanted Him killed. Jesus threatened their positions and authority over the people. I’m sure those with discernment, can see that exact same thing happening today in Christianity.
      Rev 18:4 says to ‘come out of her my people, lest you share in her sins and partake of her plagues’. This isn’t just a ‘natural’ warning, but a warning to the most important part of a believers relationship with our Lord…the spiritual. If one is spiritually captive to a religion, which christianity is, then the Lord cannot use that person to their full potential as He designed us for, unless we come out of it. Those who stay captive, will indeed share in the coming plagues against those who choose their captivity over the Liberty offered by the Lord. That doesn’t mean they’ll not see the Kingdom of God, it means that they’ll choose the judgement coming against them because they were ‘called out’ by the Bride who makes the last call to those with ears to hear and eyes to see, and chose to stay. It’s comfortable, it’s safe, it’s familiar and it’s tradition. None of which the Lord cares about.
      Apostasy is alive & well in all of christianity…seek the Lord while He may be found, for time is indeed running out and people are making final decisions about who they really serve, at this very time.
      In His Service………

    • desert owl

      Over all the article captures well what is going on, except for the fact that it still contains the false teaching of the rapture, which inherently comes from the Destroyer and reaches it’s height in New Age teaching of angels in UFO’s coming to save those prepared to leave earth.

      Beware all of you clinging to a rapture, it may happen, but only by the Destroyer who imitates Yahshuah, to deceive if possible, even the elect. I repeat, BEWARE!

      The Old as well as the New Testament talk about Divine Protection, not Rapture. There is a vast,vast difference between the two.

    • Pix

      Whores to the left and whores to the right when you are talking about religions. One whore is very much the same as any other, and to date there isn’t a single cult based on the bible that has demonstrated they are not whores.

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