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WE WILL JUDGE THE ANGELS; WHAT THAT MEANS FOR US?

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WE WILL JUDGE THE ANGELS; WHAT THAT MEANS FOR US?

 
1 Corinthians 6: 2&3 Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? Don’t you realize that we will judge angels? So you should surely be able to resolve ordinary disputes in this life.
 

I will start with my conclusion and then tell you how I arrived at it.

 
Primarily, we will not judge the angels to determine their eternal destiny, although we may be involved in that decision. When we judge the angels it means that we will have administrative oversight over the angelic realm.We will have authority over the angels. We will also have administrative authority over the affairs of the world. (see vs. 2 ) This is the meaning of the passage in its context.
 
 ”Judging” here, has the same connotation as in Matthew 19:28: “Jesus replied, “I assure you that when the world is made new and the Son of Man sits upon his glorious throne, you who have been my followers will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”
 
W. E. Vine give this meaning to the Greek word krino, translated “judge” here:  to rule, govern, to preside over with the power of giving judicial decisions, because it was the prerogative of kings and rulers to pass judgment

 

God delegates the administration of the universe through the angels. Angels are in charge of orchestrating the harmony of the universe. God chose to give to his creatures, angels and man,  the privilege of sharing in His work.

 
 

 

 Evidently there is an angelic council that watches the activity of this world.

 

When something needs divine attention a report is made to God. Genesis 18: 20& 21 So the LORD told Abraham, “I have heard a great outcry from Sodom and Gomorra, because their sin is so flagrant. I am going down to see if their actions are as wicked as I have heard. If not, I want to know.”
 
When Nebuchadnezzar’s arrogance crossed the line a decree was issued against him by this council. They are called “the Watchers” in Daniel.
Daniel 4:17′This decision is by the decree of the watchers, And the sentence by the word of the holy ones, In order that the living may know That the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, Gives it to whomever He will, And sets over it the lowest of men.’
 
 
In my last article I showed that Satan has a kingdom. Under Satan are demonic minions ( Principalities and Powers ) that have the oversight of this world for the time being. God has allowed Satan to retain his authority over the world but that will soon change.
 God used Egypt, with its  oppressing tyrant, as a training ground for the descendants of Abraham to prepare them for their conquest of Canaan. In the same way, God is using this present world, under Satan, to prepare a people for their destiny of overseeing his creation. This is why Satan hates man. Man is being raised up to administer the realm now run by Satan.
 

Man was created for this very purpose.

He is to have authority over all creation with Christ. This is not true yet but it will be soon. This is brought out clearly in Hebrews. Christ suffered as the Captain of our salvation and was raised to the highest authority in the universe. In the same way, if we suffer with Him, we shall also reign with him. ( 2 Timothy 2:12 )
 
Hebrews 2: 5-9 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. But one testified in a certain place, saying: “What is man that You are mindful of him, Or the son of man that You take care of him? You have made him a little lower than the angels; You have crowned him with glory and honor,  And set him over the works of Your hands. You have put all things in subjection under his feet.”  For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing [that is] not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.
 
The angels are watching over us as tutors until we inherit the Kingdom. This is their job description.
Hebrews 1:14 Therefore, angels are only servants—spirits sent to care for people who will inherit salvation.
 
 

 

Satan and his demonic underlings, with the world leaders they control, will be cast down and their authority will be given to those who have taken up the cross and followed Christ. 

Isaiah 24:21& 23 In that day the LORD will punish the powers in the heavens above and the kings on the earth below…when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.
 
 

 

In Daniel and Revelation, thrones are set in place and the saints sit down to reign or judge the earth.

Daniel 7: 9&22 I watched as thrones were put in place and the Ancient One sat down to judge. His clothing was as white as snow, his hair like purest wool. He sat on a 
fiery throne with wheels of blazing fire… until the Ancient One—the Most High—came and judged in favor of his holy people. Then the time arrived for the holy people to take over the kingdom.
 
Revelation 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and the people sitting on them had been given the authority to judge…
 
 
 

When this comes to pass God will replace Satan and the fallen angels and give their authority to the saints. The angels will have to check at the desks of the saints for executive decisions. We will judge angels.

 

Not everyone who is a Christian will attain to a position of authority. There is a difference between the Bride of Christ and the Body of Christ. Not all who came out of Egypt entered the Promised Land, only those who were faithful did. We were called for this purpose but we can fall short of this purpose and lose our reward. Our position in the coming Kingdom is being determined by our faithfulness now. We are writing the  résumé for our future destiny in that Kingdom now. ( See the parable of the talents et al.)
Luke 19:17 “‘Well done!’ the king exclaimed. ‘You are a good servant. You have been faithful with the little I entrusted to you, so you will be governor of ten cities as your reward.’ More on this here:
 
 

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    • am123

      This is a great subject Mike. Ruling and reigning with Christ is a subject that is too much overlooked and neglected by the body of Christ. Thanks for posting it.

      BTW, your links in the article don’t work. You’ve got 3 slashes after the “http”, that doesn’t look right. Although I tried deleting one but it didn’t help.

      • Mike Clinton

        Thanks for your comment and pointing out the problem with the links. I fixed them.

    • Pix

      The judgement thing comes from the Egyptian after life. Where you roam the afterlife until you find yourself in front of judgement where your heart is weighed against that of a feather. If it’s heavier your spirit is devoured by a giant dog like creature, if lighter you go on to the afterlife of your choice. That is the whole point of the Horus story, who after his sacrifice goes into the underworld bringing all the dead lost in the maze of the afterlife, back with him on his resurrection. That’s why they paid their priests to make spells for them to take with them so they wouldn’t get lost. But if you were poor you couldn’t afford them so Horus was plan B.

      :lol:

      • am123

        You must have the wrong article Pix. This article is talking about the Bible. If you want to talk about the nonsense you are spewing, you should knock yourself out and go post some articles about the Egyptian this or that.

        • Pix

          Look up the word ‘plagiarised’. The stories in the bible are not unique or original, they are plagiarised from paganism. So yes, I am talking about the bible, or to be more descriptive, the buybull.

          :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

      • AlmostOver

        :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Sick em pix… :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

        • Mike Clinton

          AlmostOver, did you mean “sic ‘em”?

      • Mike Clinton

        You missed the point Pix. This is about administration not judgement. Now, see if you can find any Zeitgeist material on that point.

        • Pix

          The material used by Zeitgeist comes from genuine qualified historians, archaeologists and anthropologists who have published academic papers on the subject. So, not sure what point you’re trying to make with that one, can you clarify?

          By administration do you mean their or our dictatorship? The point you seem to miss is that we have free will, so any received or dictated administration is voluntary. If there was an all knowing anything, there wouldn’t be any free will, only predestination to follow the known future like a preprogrammed Sim. An all knowing IT + freewill = Oxymoron. It is a contraction of terms because both are absolutes, ie there is no such thing as a little bit all knowing, and no such thing as limited free will. IT is either all knowing, OR, IT isn’t…. which is it?

        • am123

          @Pix,

          Free will is not related to this article, but nevertheless, God’s omniscience does not negate free will. He just has foreknowledge of what our choice will be.

        • Mike Clinton

          You are right am123, Pix has wandered from the topic again. You know, I don’t have free will when I drive down the street. I can’t do just anything. There area lot of things that will get me in trouble if I do them.

    • LightandLife

      It’s simple: “we shall judge the Angels” simply means we need to manifest the forgivenss and Love to the Angels that God manifested and has for us. Period.

      • Mike Clinton

        LightandLife, do you have scripture for your comment?

    • Anonymous

      This is fake and stupid. Why?

      They show Jesus with long hair so this is an offshoot whore of the mother church Catholics.

      Paul said it is a shame to have long hair. So, we he say that about Jesus having at least seen him? Of course not.

      So, Jesus did not have long hair. Otherwise this guy was getting it going till I saw the long hairs.

      • AlmostOver

        What if Paul was a liar? Ever think of that?

        • Anonymous

          Paul WAS a liar, ever think of that?

      • Mike Clinton

        Did Samson have long hair?

        • Anonymous

          How come you don’t have long hair? Don’t you want to be like your master?

      • AlmostOver

        wasn’t samuel a “miracle baby”??? Tell me, why did the mother of samuel swear never to cut samuel’s hair his whole life? Wait, better yet, why is it that ALL of “God’s” men throughout the book only shave their heads when there is great shame and vexation of spirit? Seems to me, it is a shame for a man to have SHORT hair according to how His true followers were, this didn’t work for Paul though, see, Paul was a roman soldier who was required by his EMPLOYER to keep his hair short(just like you see in the US military). Rather than tell the truth which would be fully condemning of himself, and that is that it is a SHAME for a man to have short hair, Paul fabricated a contradictory new rule; that all men who are called “christian” through the doctrine of Paul(anti-christs in truth) ought to have short hair and the it is a shame to have long hair. This is contradictory to Nature and the Law, it’s contradictory to the lives of ALL the prophets, Yeshua Himself had long hair, as did His disciples, the prophets in the OT had long hair, Abraham had long hair, Noah had long hair, everyone but roman government employed “CIA” agent-esque soldier boy Paul had long hair. Hmmmmmmmmm

        • Anonymous

          You have gotten entirely backwards. They shaved their heads when the shame was over. They wore long hair because of shame. Probably the way Israel acted before God.

          But here the other guy shows pictures of Christ with long hair. Only the Lord has shame but not you or him. But you sure don’t mind showing God with SHAME.

          So, why don’t you have long hair? You or Mike?

        • AlmostOver

          I do have long hair and you are absolutely wrong in your thinking, before MAN made sharp objects to cut flesh and bone and even hair and nails with, mankind was made PERFECT and part of that perfection was the length of his hair. That’s why the great prophet Samuel never had a haircut, he was DEDICATED to the Father by his mother to be for the Father’s service. A man in the Father’s service has long hair, a man in man’s service using MAN’S devices has short hair. A man with long hair who is not in the service of the Father is counterfeit, and those men are easily known by their fruit. Just that simple. Nice try though.

        • Anonymous

          You have long hair? Then according to Paul SHAME on you AlmostOver-flowing. Does not even nature teach you about having long hair? It is for shame, not for glory.

          You have gotten it wrong. Better wear your hair longer.

        • AlmostOver

          How can it possibly be shameful to live according to Nature and what is natural? You don’t know what you’re talking about, as I stated above, Paul is the only person who ever claimed to be the servant of the Father who had short hair, Paul is also the most prolific liar in the entire library of books you call “bible”. Coincidence? I think not. Keep on cutting your hair, vain man.

        • Anonymous

          It’s natural, huh?

          Take your long hair and ride it through the natural thick brambles and we’ll cum and get you when you are left hanging by the long hair like Absalom.

          But sorry, they’ll have to cut it to get you down. You cool with that? No shame you know, sniff, sniff.

          If Paul is the most prolific liar he sure taught you well.

        • AlmostOver

          Paul did a very good job of teaching me the difference between profound and profane… Your reference to Absalom in this particular context is profane. It wasn’t his hair that was responsible for his fate, but something tells me you already know that, considering many so called Christians are not even familiar with who he was…

        • Anonymous

          LOL! You are very funny. The most prolific liar taught you something is just too funny.

          Now, about that hair…..

        • yes2truth

          @ Definitely Over with his vain reasoning of men.

          He tells us that he knows how long the hair of the ancients was. Was Definitley Over there to witness these things or is he brainwashed with the handiwork of Michael Angelo and other secular artist skivvies of Rome?

          Was Yashua Anointed a long haired effeminate looking wimp with a goatee beard, as portrayed by those dogs in Rome, or was He a masculine looking Man.

          Definitely Over finds the simplicity of women with long hair, which is to their glory, and men with short hair too difficult to grasp, but then:

          Definitely Over just loves the sound of his own voice and/or the written babblings of his keyboard. LOL

    • Monnkz

      This scripture refers to the 144,000 only. These are the ones that inherit great power and authority to reign with the Messiah for 1000 years. This has nothing to do with the church going population.
      The religions of this world don’t even know the basic requirement to enter into that Kingdom.

      • Mike Clinton

        Monnkz, this was said to the Corinthian Christians. The Corinthian Christians are not the 144,000. You have nothing to back up your comment.

      • Pix

        “The religions of this world don’t even know the basic requirement to enter into that Kingdom.”

        Sure they do. Jesus gives 8 criteria for qualification, 2 of them involve selling everything you own and giving the proceeds to the poor, which excludes 99.99% of all religious people. Loving everyone. Hating your mother, father, sister, brother, everyone and the world. Following all the old Jewish laws better than the law keepers, including the over 100 laws on ritual animal sacrifices. Being reborn, which is a pagan ceremony. Ritualistic cannibalism, also a pagan ceremony. It’s impossible to qualify so they conveniently forget all but 1. Love everyone, for which none of them follow in any case, because they are too busy vilifying and butchering everyone who disagrees.

        :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

        • AlmostOver

          :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    • Pix

      am123
      @Pix,

      “Free will is not related to this article, but nevertheless, God’s omniscience does not negate free will. He just has foreknowledge of what our choice will be.”

      Free will is related to all biblical claims. The biblical claim of free will is an oxymoron with it’s claim there is an all knowing IT. It can’t be both, they are opposing absolutes. If there was an all knowing IT, there would be no free will, only predestination to follow the known future like a preprogrammed Sim… Which is it?

      • Pix

        If the future is known for a fact, no free will would be possible or necessary. We would be nothing but Sims being played with by a narcissistic schizophrenic genocidal monster.

        Look at it this way. If you knew the future of your children as a fact, that they turn out evil, would you create them anyway? And if so why? So you could torture them in hell for all eternity?

        There is no choice involved if the future is know, it would be set in stone. Our perspective of life would be like watching a movie premier with no way the change the plot. When you add to that the biblical claim that IT knows your every thought and action before you do it, thousands of years in advance of your birth, means life is utterly pointless, and so would judgement after the fact.

        Sorry but your ‘beliefs’ are thoroughly depressing and invalidates life, reducing it to a play thing of a monster. So you see my point is very relevant to this article on who is administering to who.

        • 3AM

          Isn’t the life of an atheist utterly pointless?

          I mean,.. if you came from nothing and you are going nowhere. What’s the point in living???

          … SO YOU HANG OUT IN A SPIRITUAL BLOG… WHERE IS THIS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING INSIGHTS AND LOGIC BRINGING YOU?..

          You can mos believe what you want, but why go against your Creator? YOU ARE HIS PROPERTY AND YOU WERE BOUGHT WITH A PRICE…

          I’m glad to see that pix finally found a friend

        • yes2truth

          Amazingly Pix is correct. Man does not have free will – UNTIL he is Born Again.

          Only The Truth can set a man free. Prior to that he does The Devil’s will whilst living beneath the branches of The Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil.

      • am123

        You’re non-free will argument is folly. Here is why: Let us take God out of the equation for a moment and suppose that we could peer into the future with a time machine. And let’s say we looked into the future at next year’s Super Bowl coin toss and saw that it came up heads. Would that negate the fairness of the coin when it came time for the coin toss in next year’s Super Bowl? Obviously, the answer is no. The only thing peering into the future did was tell us what the result of the coin toss was.

        Likewise, there are many times humans across the earth are presented with a 50/50 A or B decision and they can’t make up their minds, so they make the free will choice to flip a coin to make their decisions…heads, they do A, or tails, they do B. So if you take a sampling of a thousand of these scenarios, you will get approximately 500 choice A’s and 500 choice B’s. So the fact that you don’t get a skewed distribution but instead, you get an equal distribution of free will (or random) choices. Otherwise, if free will was not involved, you would get skewed results. To expand this analogy, let’s say you had for example a 75/25 traffic route choice where choice A is a very easy route but a longer route and choice B is a shorter route but with much more traffic or more dangerous or whatever. Or some decisions are 90/10, 40/60 and so on, and then if you examined the results of all these decisions, you would get a normal bell distribution of results, not skewed results. So if you get a normal bell curve distribution of results, this speaks to the free will of the various participants not being influenced by God’s foreknowledge. The equal distribution of outcomes speaks to the free will or true randomness of the results and not fixed results.

        • Pix

          We don’t have time machines so your argument is invalid. The sort of time machine you are talking about is science fiction. It is possible to travel forward through time at a faster rate by travelling in a fast vehicle, but the speeds needed to travel far into the distant future is far in excess of anything we have, we would need faster than the speed of light. It would also be a one way trip, there would be no coming back in time to talk about it.

          A very fundamental point is the past and future do not exist, there is only now. There is a huge difference between guessing the odd detail in the future and knowing it in it’s entirety, completely for a fact. Any one can guess the odd detail, some even guess right, but it’s still just a guess.

          If the future is known for a fact, there would be no changing it, you can’t change the known. Life from our perspective would be like watching a movie premier with no way to change the plot. We would be left with predestination, exactly like a preprogrammed Sim.

        • am123

          OK, forget the time machine then. The fact that human decisions fall into random distributions show that God’s foreknowledge does not affect the outcome, hence, free will takes place.

      • am123

        @Pix,

        I see you ignored my refute of your silly non-free will argument. But then again, you are free to do so, because that is your choice, an act of your free will :lol:

        • Pix

          I live in a different part of the world from you. Have a little patience why don’t you.

          :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    • Mr A Hole - PHD, BSE, HN51, ADHD hons. DVT HIV

      I would very much like to debate these matters with your God, is Friday at 5 ok? Can he meet me in the Starbucks down the street? And bring his son.

      Easy request, I am one of his children. Should get to meet my ‘father’ and half brother.

      How difficult a request is that?

      Of course. I could dedicate my life to them without ever rreally knowing…. I may get to see them when I die, if I’ve been good, but how do I know if I’ve been good if only he sees and judges everything…?

      Which version of his worship should I choose? Which of the hundred or so copies?? All different??

      Oh how I wish my parents had made it all so much easier by just forcing me unknowingly into their church, before my mind was formed and I was able to choose.

      But it’s ok, this XMas I’ll kill a turkey, a tree, lavish wealth on myself and family and basically f you all.

      I’d love to be a Christian, but which ones best…..???

      Fight fight fight….

      • Mike Clinton

        You already have your appointment, sorry, you cannot change the date. You already have an appointment number and you are in the waiting room. God will call your number when it’s your turn.

        Acts 17:31 “because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

      • am123

        You don’t have to wait until Friday at 5, Jesus stands at the door of your heart right now. Ask Him into your life sincerely, and you will find Him. Get yourself a Bible (any version will do for now) and you will find the answers to your questions.

    • Pix

      Mick. “You are right am123, Pix has wandered from the topic again. You know, I don’t have free will when I drive down the street. I can’t do just anything. There area lot of things that will get me in trouble if I do them.”

      Ah but you can drive down the road any which way you like with your free will. The you follow the road laws doesn’t negate the fact you have the freewill choice to follow them or not.

      :grin:

      • Mike Clinton

        Yes Pix, we all have a free will and you can chose to follow the road laws as well. There is a reason for those laws. If you violate them I can tell you what will happen.

        • AlmostOver

          No way, am I seeing what I think I’m seeing? Is mike clinton suggesting that the Law serves an eternal purpose to sustain life and health and deviating from it causes sickness and death? Maybe I’m misunderstanding where you’re going with your comment, but if you are finally giving in and acknowledging the error in the “all you have to do is believe, and you’re no longer a sinner by default” doctrine that comes from the anti-christ Paul and asserting that the Law is eternal and that the Law is Life eternal, then I just might be able to smile on the rest of my day… :cool:

        • am123

          @AlmostOver,

          The Law of Moses is AlmostOver….just a little over a thousand years to go and then the new order of things come into play.

        • AlmostOver

          @am123,

          Some folks would disagree with you, they call these folks “Prophets” I do believe…

          Psalm 100, Psalm 119:142, John 14:6, Isaiah 24:5, Isaiah 2:3, Micah 4:2, Isaiah 42:24, Proverbs 6:23, Psalm 119:1, Malachi 2:1-9, Psalm 119:89, Psalm 119:160, you know what? just read psalm 119 and pay attention to just how eternally important the Law really is….
          Isaiah 40:8, 1 John 2:7, John 17:17, 1 John 2:4, John 8:58, Psalm 25:10, John 8:32 and finally, Malachi 3:6

          Need I go on further? Its very tiring searching for keywords to show with scripture passages the error to your belief…

          The “great and terrible day of the Lord” is for the preservation of Law keepers(great) and the destruction of Law breakers(terrible):

          ***DEUTERONOMY 27:26***, Isaiah 1:2-20, Isaiah 5:24, Jeremiah 6:19 Hosea 4:6

          The True “Word of God” that is “the Truth” and “the Life” and “the Light” is the Law. It is eternal, even after heaven and earth are made new, the Law will still stand, for the Word(which is the Law) abides forever; Yeshua is that Word.

          Proverbs 28:9 – “He that turns away his ear from hearing the Law, even his prayer shall be abomination.”

          Do you still think the Law is not eternal? If so, go back and read all the references that are posted here until you finally realize the error to your theology.

        • am123

          I was talking about something different than you, I was talking about the Law of Moses, which is not eternal.

        • AlmostOver

          If only people would realize that the words of men(some very evil) are NOT the “Word of God”, and that the True “Word of God” is His Law and that it is idolatry to worship the words of men and blasphemy to call those words the “Word of God” and that Paul and his minions are of their father, the Devil, that they are liars. If only people would understand these things, if only folks would turn to the Law and live by it not just by the letter but by the Spirit as well, all suffering could cease and all the inhabitants of the earth would finally have peace. As it stands, there are too many enemies of His Word, claiming to be His followers and worshipers who don’t even know who He is, and that He is the Law. There are too many enemies to His Spirit who all claim to be guided by His Spirit when in truth, they are of their father, the Devil. Too many people reject His Law who claim to love Him, who pray to Him regularly yet they go to war against His Word claiming the words of men to be His Word, they are very wrong and until they are wiped out(those who do not keep His Word; Truth; Way; Life; Light; Law; etc), His children can never dwell safely and in peace. For all things that have life, that breathe and take in air, eat food, drink water, receive warmth etc are His children and grandchildren, but the evil racist so called christians(as well as the rest of the majority of humanity) think themselves above their brothers and sisters so that they murder and steal life from their brothers and sisters, committing genocide daily for their own filthy pleasures, worshiping what they know not and committing grievous errors concerning the scriptures. These filthy, adulterous idolaters ruin Life for all of us and thanks be to “God” that they will soon meet the consequences of their ages old errors!

          “Why do you call me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” – Yeshua Hamashiach(according to Matthew)

          “And I know that HIS COMMANDMENT IS LIFE EVERLASTING: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.” – Yeshua Hamashiach(according to John)

          “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. The rest are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and liars and lovers of lies.” – Yeshua Hamashiach(according to John)

        • AlmostOver

          All things that come from “God” (even through His prophets, the greatest of which is Moses) are both finite AND Infinite. They are tangible and intangible, physical and spiritual. The “Law of Moses” as you call it, is the Law that was given by God(who never changes) to His prophet, Moses to be forever. All of His statutes, Judgments and ordinances apply for all eternity. The problem has always been that the scribes and pharisees could not understand the Spirit of the Law because they focused on the letter of it all along, this is why Yeshua(Law in the flesh) came, so that He could show us the Way, so that He could fulfill the Law in Spirit and in Truth. He set the example because the scribes and pharisees did not set the example. They fell short in living by the Law, this is why Yeshua came to fulfill it, because no one else was fulfilling the law, they only kept the letter. EVEN the Law of sacrifices still applies, that’s what so called “christians” don’t get, Paul was an outright liar! Even in the OT, God did not want sacrifice, even though it was commanded in the Law, what He wanted was for the people to keep the Law in Spirit and in Truth so that sacrifice would not be needed; basically, sin would not occur if the people kept the Law in Spirit and in Truth, rather than by the letter, they would realized that in killing an animal for sacrifice, they were committing murder; they were committing sin hoping to be cleansed from sin rather than ceasing from sin altogether. This is why Yeshua went to the “cross”, to do away with the bloodshed once and for all for those who walk even as He walked – in perfect harmony and obedience to the Law. The “Law of Moses” was written by the finger of “God” on 2 massive tables of stone, covering them front and back, all of His statutes, judgments, ordinances etc were included, it was not only the “10 commandments” but also the details and exposition of those commands as well. The entire Law can be summed up in 2 places IN the Law:
          Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18

          Leviticus 19:18
          Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.

          Deuteronomy 6:5
          And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

          This is the basis for the 10 commandments which are the basis for all of the statutes, judgments and ordinances as well.

        • am123

          Almost over said:

          “EVEN the Law of sacrifices still applies, that’s what so called “christians” don’t get”

          This Christian gets it. The Law of Moses still applies while we have this present heaven and earth. Once we get a new heavens and earth, the rules and regulations of the Law of Moses will be done away with. That’s what you don’t understand.

        • am123

          Almost over said:

          “The “Law of Moses” as you call it, is the Law that was given by God(who never changes) to His prophet, Moses to be forever. All of His statutes, Judgments and ordinances apply for all eternity.”

          Not true at all. And you don’t even have to go by Paul’s words to get that. Do you consider Ezekiel a prophet? If so, he contradicts your statements.

          Jesus came to fulfill the Law, which remains intact for this present heaven and earth (see Matthew 5:17-18). Then, a little over a thousand years from now, the obsolete Law of Moses, which will be practiced in the Jerusalem of this earth for the Millenial Reign of Jesus Christ, will be done away with permanently when the NEW JERUSALEM comes down out of heaven from God and the new eternal order of things shall commence. When we get a new heavens and new earth, the rules and regulations of the Law of Moses will be replaced with the rules and regulations of Ezekiel’s temple.

          Ezekiel’s temple is a unique temple that is part of the new heavens and new earth. The worship rules and regulations and temple design differ between the Law of Moses and Ezekiel’s temple. The layout of the temple is different and the daily, Sabbath, and New Moon sacrifices are different. For example, the daily offering according the Moses was 2 lambs a day. For Ezekiel, it is 1 lamb in the morning. The Sabbath offering for Moses is 2 lambs. The Sabbath offering for Ezekiel is 6 lambs and 1 ram. The New Moon sacrifices differ, as do the Passover sacrifices and so forth. By the way, the daily morning sacrifice is wonderful reminder of Yeshua, a perfect Lamb is offered every morning and the inner gates plus the Most Holy Place and Holy of Holies form a cross.

          So a temple according to the Law of Moses must be used for this present heavens and earth, but once we get a new heavens and new earth, the temple design and rules and regulations will be according to Ezekiel’s temple.

          You can tie Ezekiel’s temple together with the new heavens and new earth by comparing Ezekiel 47:12 with Revelation 22:2.

        • AlmostOver

          you present and interesting point of view that I have never noticed before. I’d need to know more about what you’re saying in order to understand as far as what you’re talking about with Ezekiel.

          What I can say is that this “thousand year reign of christ” is not a literal thousand years but rather an age for the earth and its inhabitants, more specifically, the 7th age for the earth and its inhabitants. A day, generation, age, and “thousand years” are all synonymous. The 6th age began after the “resurrection”, it is marked by the words of Yeshua on the “cross” – “It is finished”. This was “sunset” for the 5th day(age) which began when Noah’s family stepped off the boat. We know that the 5th day began at that time because it is marked by the dove and the olive branch, the 4th day was between garden and flood and the 3rd day was the garden era. I have not been able to distinguish the time of the second or first days because I do not know enough history to associate the things that were made in the creation story to those ages; those ages are currently unknown. What I can say is that the day plants were made coincides with the time/age of the Garden, that the time after the garden and before the flood is marked with the “Stars”(angels), that the days after the flood and up to the “cross” are marked by birds and fish and ever since has been marked by man and beast. The day of rest or “desolation” as some prophets describe it is still to come, the destruction of man will be by man’s own hands and by the corruption of man’s wisdom(science/technology etc). The destruction of man usher’s in the day of rest, the 7th age for the Earth. When we closely look at Ezekiel chapter 28, there was a time when the human race was able to travel through the heavens freely, visiting other solar systems(stones of fire), Maybe this was the second age and so the first would be the age of creation in general? I don’t know for sure but I am confident that one day I will know these things.

          Time and its cyclic nature is very key especially in the book of Moses and all these things that are spoken by the prophets transcend the boundaries of time so that they are true for all 3 dimensions of time; past, present and future. There is greater depth to all of these things. Is it important that we understand this “Age” stuff that I’m speaking about? Sure it is, this is how we are to have hope, knowing that the age of rest is near. It won’t be a literal 1000 years, just as the day(age) of “genesis” was not a literal day. The prophets put these infinitely deep truths into words that our finite minds might be able to comprehend but they certainly did not intend for us to interpret these things by the letter, just as we were not to interpret the Law by the letter. Does that make sense?

          Anyway, these ages are spiritual ages, not necessarily a specific set number of years per age but rather a specific spiritual “schedule” of events. The event’s that “christ” spoke of to watch for were events that were taking place already before He showed up preaching and have been taking place NON STOP since His “resurrection”. We know that the “sun is about to set” on this age, generation, 1000 years, etc because of the intensity and totality of these events today.

          One thing that is for sure, is that only the Law keepers will join in that rest that is still to come, Law breakers will be the victims of their own devices and will cease to exist because of that. Is the dusk as near as many say it is? Probably not, the reason I say so, is because there is a great Spiritual awakening that is still to take place (the second coming/return of Yeshua; return to the Law) and not very many are waking up to the Law just yet. I don’t believe that this will happen during my lifetime, but I do believe that the fire that is to set the whole world ablaze(spiritual fire) will be kindled with my generation; this awakening will be the cause of the final battle that takes place between Natural and unnatural, between “God” and mankind; the coming GLOBAL revolution. It might be in this lifetime, but it seems to me to be unlikely for this lifetime simply because so few care about the Law. I know the time is near though, I am evidence that the awakening is in the immediately near future(based on the spiritual clock and not our literal calendar that is) because I have no interest in man’s religion or man’s system or even man’s law, but rather, my affection is for “God’s” Law and with my background, that transformation in itself is quite miraculous(divinely inspired to be sure). The Law of Moses was written and instituted to be for the pleading with a hard headed generation. It is based on the “10 commandments” Law and when studied without the Spirit, this Law appears to be 2 separate and contradictory laws. They are not, in fact, the entirety of the Law can be summed in 2 points: Love your neighbor as yourself(and neighbor does apply to ALL of creation, not just select humans) and love the Father(creator; source) with all your heart, soul, mind and strength. Understanding the true eternal depths of these values and living by them causes one to NATURALLY keep the whole Law without offending in even one point. The purpose of the grace bestowed on us that though we do not deserve it, we still have breath in our bodies and time on this earth, is for us to seek to know the depths to this Law and to change our walk of our own free will to be in accordance to it. The Law is eternal, because it is the Word/Will of the Father, in fact, it is the first begotten of the Father, it will always be kept NATURALLY by those who are granted Life Eternal because they will have chosen to make that Divine Law their Nature. I know I’ve said a mouthful here, and I hope that we can continue to discuss things in a friendly manner as we usually do, you and I. I would like to know more about this unique temple outline that you mentioned, maybe you can post an article on it and give me a link?

        • am123

          Put aside for now whatever you may believe about the 1,000 year Millennial Reign, that is not relevant to Ezekiel’s temple. Ezekiel’s temple comes into play when God creates the new heavens and new earth. Of course the best place to find out more about it is the Book of Ezekiel (go figure :lol: ). God gives very specific details about the layout of the temple, rules and regulations, and so forth. And the sacrifices God commands are to be done in perpetuity (for example, see Ezekiel 46:15).

          Writing an article about it is a good idea. I will have to gather all my thoughts on it and at some point, I’ll post an article.

          But in the meantime, here are a couple sites or articles, not which I agree with everything they say, but you can use as a reference about the differences of Ezekiel’s temple. For example:
          Here are some of the differences as outlined from

          http://www.templemount.org/ezektmp.html

          Features Unique to Ezekiel’s Temple

          No wall of partition to exclude Gentiles (compare Ephesians 2:14) The Gentiles were previously welcome in the Outer Courts, but excluded from the inner courts on pain of death.

          No Court of Women (compare Galatians 3:28 (Outer Court and Inner Court only)

          No Laver (see Ezekiel 36:24-27, John 15:3)

          No Table of Shewbread (see Micah 5:4, John 6:35)

          No Lampstand or Menorah (see Isaiah 49:6, John 8:12)

          No Golden Altar of Incense (Zechariah 8:20-23, John 14:6)

          No Veil (Isaiah 25:6-8, Matthew 27:51)

          No Ark of the Covenant (Jeremiah 3:16, John 10:30-33)

          Major Changes to the Altar: The sacrificial Altar will be approached by a ramp from the East. Previous altars were all approached from the South. Now there will be stairs to the altar, not a ramp as previously. The top of the altar is now described by the Hebrew word “ariel” [Isaiah 29:1] meaning “hearth of God” or “lion of God.” [Rev. 5:5].

          And here are a few other sites:

          http://www.sonstoglory.com/ThirdTempleEzekielsMillennialTemple.htm#anchor156221

          http://www.aletheiacollege.net/bl/11-1Ezekiel_And_Solomons_Temple.htm

          http://www.yashanet.com/library/temple/temples.htm

          BTW, it’s nice not to have what’s his name around (Pharisees), who hasn’t reared his ugly head around lately.

        • AlmostOver

          @am123

          Thanks for the post, i’m going to have to spend some time looking into this. I very much appreciate you bringing this to my attention.

          What I do know is that the Father is not ever pleased with the bloodshed of His children and we humans are not His only children. The beasts, bugs, birds, fish and plants are also His children who He loves very dearly and so I know without any shadow of doubt that this sacrifice regimen that you speak of is not a literal slaughter of creatures who have life, but is a symbol of something very Spiritual. Just as the sacrifice regimen in the Hebrew days was a type of the Spiritual plan of salvation and as the outline for the sanctuary was symbolic of the spiritual temple(temple in heaven) so too this temple outline and sacrifice regimen in Ezekiel is written in finite language to describe an Infinite Spiritual Truth. For instance, when I read the short list of differences between the old temple and the future one that you presented, I was immediately reminded of the word’s of Yeshua when He said, “For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.” (Matt. 22:30) when I read the part about there being no special court for women in the future temple. There are many aspects to the current temple that are necessary right now today BECAUSE of the presence of sin and corruption, and some of these things are for the distinguishing between sinner and saint, and since sin will not exist in the new heaven and new earth, the outline for worship is understandably going to be different. I’m very interested in this that you have brought to my attention because I have a sneaky suspicion that these things point to the outline of worship that we are to follow even today, possibly even in our quest to know Him.

        • am123

          You’re welcome AlmostOver. I’m glad we had this conversation. Grace and peace.

        • Pix

          Only if you get caught. :wink:

          Any law is a testament to the idiocy of whoever created it, in their inability to solve a problem.

        • AlmostOver

          Is that your opinion of Natural Law? The Law of Nature?

    • Anonymous

      more delusional rants by psychos who think god id real.

      this author has demonstrated only that he is a certifiable idiot

      • AlmostOver

        anonymous,

        The fool has said in his heart that there is no God… you can add 0 to 0 a billion times and if all you have to start with is 0, 0 will be all that you ever wind up with. Everything starts with 1 and that 1 is the Father.

        • Anonymous

          wow.. i bet you could suck a golf ball through a garden hose…

        • AlmostOver

          I’ll bet you could go on and on for days and weeks telling everyone just how sure you are that there is no “God” and why you believe that and never once admit the real reason you think that way….

        • Anonymous

          “and never once admit the real reason you think that way….”

          i have a functioning cognizant ability…

        • am123

          Anonymous said:

          “i have a functioning cognizant ability…”

          So tell us how did the universe get created from nothing? How did everything come from nothing?
          You atheists are always extolling the virtues of science and how rational and logical you are and how you only believe in things we have proved with science, so where is the proof that the universe came from nothing?

        • Anonymous

          am123…

          i didnt say the universe came from nothing idiot – so why should i have to explain how it came from nothing?

          if you had a functioning cognizant ability you would understand the supreme idiocy of what you are saying.

          because you are stupid, you can not see how stupid you are, but trust me, ie; have faith… youre stupid beyond words.

        • Anonymous

          how about.. the universe, and everything in it… is just there.. always was.. just there..

          im happy enough to accept in this universe, there are some things i dont understand and may never understand.. but.. science has definitely helped explain a lot of it..

          for the unknown and the unknowable bits? ill tell you this for nothing..
          inventing some imaginary god and saying.. here, he made it all .. explains nothing, and is the stuff of childrens fairy tales..

          you need to grow up.

        • AlmostOver

          you should lay off the fluoride, dude

        • Pix

          Talking of fools, 1 + 0 = 1, not 2. :wink:

        • AlmostOver

          :lol: :lol: cut it out, pix. If you don’t start with 1, 0 is all you can ever end up with. 1 is eternal, 1 is omnipresent. You can’t start with 2 because 2 comes from 1

    • Corruption Killer

      Relidgion is so profitable thats why their are so many gods… and everyone knows SEX SELLS and thats what the Muslims are betting on..a whole bunch of feeble minded people who are willing to die to get to their destiny the great pedophile mohammed proclaimed…..eternal sex with with 72 or whatever inexperienced children. Now if thats eternity I would kill myself just not to be a muslim…thank one of the thousands of gods for that..but not the wholly disingenuine belief that actualization and destiny ends in a BROTHEL! HHHHAAAAAAAAAA Thats almost as advanced as uneducated Mexicans uncanny love for blinking lights…..or is that an Islamic trick..we all know brothels and lights have a relationship.

      • Mr A Hole - PHD, BSE, HN51, ADHD hons. DVT HIV

        Now come on, play nice or they’ll get a cross, I mean get cross.

        I saw a burning bush once, back in the 70′s, man that was a hairy decade, smoking after sex was dangerous.

    • AlmostOver

      Is the censorship on this site the same on every thread as it is on this thread? So far, SEVERAL comments have been removed in the last few hours on this particular thread and I’m just wondering, do the moderators just go through here and remove whatever they don’t like?

      • Anonymous

        stfu – its not like you say anything worth listening to anyway

      • Pix

        Censorship is run by peer pressure and the article poster. It varies from post to post. Some like this author are rather anul about swear words but only if you are an atheist, religious people he allows to insult atheists ad lib. People have to click the spam button, it’s then reviewed by the moderators. If found to contain words out of context. For example, work your ass off is fine, but lying your ass off isn’t. Personally can’t see the difference in the use of the word ass, so it must be the word lying they don’t like.

        :lol:

        • Mike Clinton

          Pix, we have been through this before. I have never censored anything. Not once.

    • Big John

      Godess Bless

    • Pix

      3AM “Isn’t the life of an atheist utterly pointless? I mean,.. if you came from nothing and you are going nowhere. What’s the point in living??? … SO YOU HANG OUT IN A SPIRITUAL BLOG… WHERE IS THIS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING INSIGHTS AND LOGIC BRINGING YOU?.. You can mos believe what you want, but why go against your Creator? YOU ARE HIS PROPERTY AND YOU WERE BOUGHT WITH A PRICE… ”

      You could not be more wrong. Life is an amazing unique one off experience, as such it’s worth is beyond measure. All life, not just a few humans who belong to the same narrow circle jerk.

      I came from my parents, not nothing, but the result of millions of years of evolution from changing conditions in the environment and attack from other life forms. I know where I’m going, it’s called compost. The stuff that feeds the future.

      As for insights I haven’t come across any yet. Only uneducated odiously arrogant claims by ego masturbaters who think they are the mouth piece of a god, or have ‘special’ supernatural abilities.

      I am nobodies property, if you want to be owned like a thing, fine, that’s up to you, but I was born a sovereign human being, not an owned predestined Sim. And what “bought with a price” are you talking about. You mean your plagiarised pagan Jesus story? What price? A melodramatic dying duck act? He would have impressed everyone more if he’d farted fireballs out of his back side and blasted his enemies into outer space, not by pretending to die like a man.

      • am123

        Pix said:

        “I know where I’m going, it’s called compost.”

        Ah, that explains the raw material you use for your posts. :lol:

        • Pix

          Now you’re just being petty. My so called raw material is the only material that has evidence. While you have none at all. The only evidence that exists proves your belief to be plagiarised from ancient pagan beliefs, they are not unique or original to Christianity. :lol:

        • am123

          Does atheism exclude one from have a sense of humor? :grin:

      • AlmostOver

        “You could not be more wrong. Life is an amazing unique one off experience, as such it’s worth is beyond measure. All life, not just a few humans who belong to the same narrow circle jerk.

        I came from my parents, not nothing, but the result of millions of years of evolution from changing conditions in the environment and attack from other life forms. I know where I’m going, it’s called compost. The stuff that feeds the future.” – pix

        :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

        The only issue that I really take with this portion of what you have said is that you are wrong about “millions of years of evolution”. What you should have said instead is “an unknown number of devolving generations”. Then, what you have said here would be totally accurate. Oh, and I think you meant “of” instead of “off” in your second sentence, but other than that, spot on accurate.

        “I am nobodies property, if you want to be owned like a thing, fine, that’s up to you, but I was born a sovereign human being, not an owned predestined Sim.”

        This is precisely the message that Yeshua was trying to get through the thick heads in His time.

        “And what “bought with a price” are you talking about.”

        Pay no attention to foolish teachings of Paul. There is no “purchase” involved with the “Gospel”, only a covenant between Creator(“1″; Source; Father; etc) and creation(everything/everyone else) that if you live by according to Nature Law(refer to 10 commandments if you are unclear with that) in perfect harmony with Nature that your previous missteps will not count against you in your life and that you will be preserved for “a thousand generations”.(have eternal life)

    • Pix

      AlmostOver “cut it out, pix. If you don’t start with 1, 0 is all you can ever end up with. 1 is eternal, 1 is omnipresent. You can’t start with 2 because 2 comes from 1″

      If there was only a god in the beginning, that is all there would ever be. You can’t add up to 2 if there isn’t 2 objects in the first place, seeing as nothing comes out of nothing. Matter therefore, has always existed making a creator god superfluous. :wink:

      • AlmostOver

        yes but one whole can be divided into 2 parts and so on and so forth, I think if you meditate on that a bit, you’ll start to understand the Truth.

        • Mike Clinton

          Quarks are not whole units and yet they are. They consist of 1/3 and 2/3 units but when the combine they make a neutron or an electron. The different units are called “colors” or “flavors”. :)

        • AlmostOver

          I think i’m missing your point…

      • WATER is Life

        Pix,
        Why do you continue to try to communicate with LUNATICS :?: :?: :?: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
        LUNATICS, under the ‘guise’ of ‘religion’, WHO WOULD PUT A GUN TO YOUR HEAD AND FORCE YOU TO SUBMIT TO THEIR ‘WILL’ WHEN IT COMES TO ‘god’ and ‘what happens after death’ IF THE LUNATICS’ COULD?
        THERE IS ONLY ONE PATH TO TAKE FOR THE FUTURE.

        DESTROY ALL THREE MONOLITHIC RELIGION AND THEIR EVIL ALL-MALE COMMAND STRUCTURE.
        DO NOT TALK LOGIC OR ‘THEOLOGY’ WITH ‘CERTIFIABLE’, ‘CRAZY’, LUNATICS, PIX :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:
        AND TO ALL YOU MEMBERS OF :evil: chris-SCUM-DUMB :twisted: , NO MATTER WHAT ‘FLAVOR’,
        SCREW YOU AND SCREW YOUR ‘god’, TOO :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

        • AlmostOver

          why are you so venomous, did someone close to you die from cancer or something?

        • Mike Clinton

          TruthTeller, why are you so paranoid? Nothing like you say has ever been even remotely hinted at in my posts. Why do you feel so threatened? I post Bible studies with mostly other believers in mind then people like you come on and say we are trying to force you to do something. I can’t help it that these posts make you more aware of that little red light that is flashing somewhere in the back of your brain. Attacking my posts will not make it go away.

        • WATER is Life

          ‘Paranoid’, Mike?
          Is that the way your deluded mind works, “I have a problem”?
          No, Mike, you and your kind have a problem.
          YOU HAVE REAL, LIVE ENEMIES, RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW!
          WORRY ABOUT THAT, DEATH-CULT chris-SCUM-DUMB MEMBER!

          I AM A REAL LIVE HERETIC, WHO’S SOLE GOAL IN LIFE IS TO DESTROY THE THREE MONOLITHIC RELIGIONS’ INSTITUTIONAL FOUNDATIONS, AND SEIZING ALL TANGIBLE ASSETS, SUCH AS ART, GOLD, LAND, REAL ESTATE, BANK ACCOUNTS, ETC.

          The “education” will be done with the children, WHICH YOU LUNATICS CANNOT GET YOUR HANDS ON ANY MORE IN THE ‘WEST’ FOR THE ‘BRAIN-WASHING INDOCTRINATION’ OF YOUR ‘CREED’.

          And, Mike in 20 years, babble-book study hour will no longer exist.

        • Pix

          Because it’s a hobby that beats knitting, poking trolls and morons is fun. Simple as that.

          :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

        • Mike Clinton

          TruthTeller, you are right where Albert Pike and the elite want you.

          “We shall unleash the Nihilists and Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will be from that moment without compass (direction), anxious for an ideal, but with out knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view, a manifestation which will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time”

          HaHa, just a pawn in their game.

          Do you know how many have made the same prediction about the Bible? The American Bible Society owned the house of Voltaire for a long time.

        • am123

          C’mon Mike, admit it. You put a gun to the head of TruthlessTeller and MADE him get on his computer and read your article, didn’t you? :wink:

          Next time, can you force him to turn off the CAPS lock??? :lol:

        • Mike Clinton

          am123, there is a well known strategy used by lawyers: when the truth is on your side pound on the truth: when the truth is not on your side, pond on the podium. TuthTeller is pounding on his podium with his cap lock and his emoticons. :lol:

      • AlmostOver

        It’s not super complicated, the things that happen on the small scale are just that… a small scale.

        http://www.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/tdc02.sci.life.stru.different/cell-differentiation/

      • Pix

        Mike

        If you start with 1 thing, you end up with the same 1 thing. 1 thing can’t generate another thing on it’s own without influence from something else that already exists. As we have matter in the universe, then it has always existed and god is therefore superfluous to the existence of matter.

        You mentioned quarks which is a subatomic particle, all matter is made up of subatomic particles. Basically matter can be described as ‘dots within dots, that make bigger dots, and so on infinitum’.

        The only way for a sum to reach a value of 2 is to have 2 items to add together. On the one hand you have a god, on the other you have nothing. Therefore if there everything began with just a single entity, that is the only thing that would exist. No galaxies, no solar systems, no planets, no life, just IT.

        • AlmostOver

          not true dude, use your brain, you’re much more intelligent than this. How is it that 2 human sex cells combine to form a single cell only so that the single cell winds up dividing into trillions of various types of cells with different purposes, characteristics, functions etc? The trillion did not begin at the value of 1,000,000,000,000 with multiple types, purposes, functions, characteristics and categories all separate from each other just to combine together and substantiate the value, rather, it started at 1 and divided, duplicated and expanded into multiple trillions, and all in the space of a few months. This is the same principle by which all things came to be, and yes, all things have life.

          The “1″(Source; Father; initial infinite mass; whatever you wanna call it) started as a single whole containing all of the mass and energy that exists. Personally, I like to call “it” either “Father” or “Nature”. The Universe did not come to be by the process of EVOLUTION(addition, improvement, becoming more complex, etc), rather, by the process of DEVOLUTION.(decline; division; subtraction) Our oldest ancestors for instance, had the genetics of ALL 7 billion of us combined manifest in only a few specimens, sure, some things we all have in common genetically, but others things are what make us different from each other, the reason for that is that you have received a concentration of different characteristics throughout your genealogy than I have, even though we share the same ancestors.

          Am I denying that creatures are adaptive? No, what I am saying is that the adaptation process is what “weeds out” unnecessary characteristics throughout the generations so that only the most necessary genes are passed from parent to child. These genes are selected by the experiences and choices of the parents throughout their lives and these are the things that are passed down accordingly. This is where “talent” comes from, it is a genetic predisposition or familiarity with certain things, such as music or sports for instance. If multiple generations of parents were physically active more so than the norm, the result will be a natural disposition to athletics and physique. It’s DEVOLUTION, not evolution; breaking down/dividing, not building up.

    • Bobbyray

      WOW, What a post we have here. Guys, why are you turning on each other instead of those that will corrupt and destroy us and our ways. Isn’t that what they want for us to do? What you as an individual choose to believe is your opinion and right but to push your views on others is not Gods way. So who are you really serving, supporting and following by your ways. Think about it. Just a thought for you to consider as an um intelligent being. We are all in this together as a race of beings and must accept that as our reality.

      Each person has to decide for themselves what they truly believe and live with that decision. Why do you think you are the only one who knows all the answers and is absolutely right. Your EGO will be your downfall. Follow your heart not your EGO. Have some respect for others rights if you want it in return. You get back what you give. If you really want to learn truth, it isn’t going to be found by arguing and disagreeing but searching for yourself and asking for others views. NOT by putting everyone down that does not fit your interpretation or views. A little wisdom for you to consider about yourself. Peace.

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