Did The Apostle Peter Give The Pope The Authority To Reign Over The Christian World?
I have been studying over the past few years in the library trying to uncover the place in time where the Jewish apostle Peter became the first pope of Rome. According to Biblical sources it was apostle Paul who went to Rome to preach to the Gentiles and Peter stayed in Israel to preach to the Jews.
I then went to archaelogical sources and I discovered something very odd. Some Roman Catholic archaeologist stated they found in the 1950′s apostle Peter’s bones in Jerusalem and then in the 1960′s the Vatican claims the apostle Peter’s bones were under the Vatican. Which archaeologists are telling the truth?
Its hard to imagine the apostle Peter being in Rome. Would he be a pope who protested emperor Nero 54-68 A.D. torching some 10,000 Christians as Roman candles? Peter if pope could not standby and let 10,000 fellow Christians burn. Josephus the Jewish historian never mentioned a pope Peter living in those days dying in 67 A.D. when the Jews were revolting against the Roman empire.
Peter’s successor was a man called Linus who reigned in Rome 67-76 A.D. Where did Peter and Linus meet in time to decide Linus would become the next pope after Peter? The Catholic encyclopedia is silent on this matter. There were no popes scheduled after Linus for this is the period beginning where Christians were being thrown to the lions.
My studies show Christians lived underground in the catacombs of Rome when cruel Roman emperors reigned. Some of the so-called popes on the list from the time of the apostle Peter to the time of Roman emperor Constantine got on the list and were proclaimed popes by the mere fact they wrote letters to Christian communities.
Roman emperor Diocletian 284-305 A.D. wiped out segments of Christian communities throughout the Roman empire where Christians had a choice to renounce their faith or die. There were some Christians that did recant their faith. These who recanted their faith were willing to foster a new religion and created hardships for the Christians who survived persecution.
Roman emperor Constantine 306-337 A.D. was battling the enemies of his empire and saw a cross in the sky and promised if he won victory, Constantine would accept Christianity. Well, Constantine stayed pagan. He admired sun worshippers. He blended Christianity with sun worship to produce Roman Catholicism. There were no Roman Catholic monasteries in Israel. Strange if Peter was the first pope why not? It was Constantine’s mother who had the first monastery built in Israel.
We have to look seriously at the words the pope is saying for he does not have the authority from the apostle Peter to speak out for Christians. The pope’s religion is a blend of Christianity with sun worshippers. We are living in prophetic times. Catechism of the Catholic Church page 223 paragraph 841 states Roman Catholics and Muslims worship the same God under Abraham mankind’s judge on the last day. Christianity clearly points out Christians and Muslims worship two different God’s so who is the Jesuit pope Francis trying to fool? Francis is setting us up for the One World Religion of the anti-Christ.
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You hit the nail on the head. The parishers worship Jesus not knowing that the Vatican and Muslims worship a different god. Catholicism was a political creation including their confessionals based on paganism. Gods word clearly states confess your sins ONE TO ANOTHER. No where does it say tell a so called priest your sins and have him tell you how many Hail Marys and our fathers to pray. Also their are so many hidden mysteries in the church which is WRONG….it is called DISHONESTY….which is not of God. They ( a group of criminals ) wanted Jerusalem and its spoils plus wanted the citizens to be controlled…what better way to disguise their greedy evilness than under the guise of a Christiandom. Even then they did NOT value God otherwise they NEVER WOULD HAVE CHANGED THE CALENDER AND THE DAY OF REST. There are so many sheeple unaware of the truth. Finally…after centuries of war DONE BY the Catholic Church they conquered Jerusalem on 9-13-93 called The Declaration of Principles. Also want to add…it was the church…called Knights of Malta basically forcing their way to Jerusalem until they TOOK many spoils including the Shroud now in Turin. Amazing how the Catholic Church always possessed such important artifacts…even about kings and rulers. Plus they possess Rothschild bank holdings. Full of Freemasons …a black pope…and secret organizations. Even have a satanic alter with chairs in front…an upside down cross. Come on people…wake up. There are dozens of videos on you tube with proof.
Never forget how CRUEL they treated their nuns….and this church is of God. How many thousands of children died at the hands of nuns. How they had to submit themselves to the priests. Every church denomination has flaws but the Catholic Church is down right criminal.
The best part of the Vatican is the Swiss Guards and all the collections of art and artifacts beyond belief. Just how did they “acquire” all the relics ??????
Revelation 17:6 speaks about a woman (religion) drunken with the blood of saints and martyrs for Jesus. Think about the Roman soldiers whom slew so many Christians. Then emperor Constantine gives birth to Roman Catholicism where this religion destroyed the pagan idol gods and replaced them with idols of saints we are not suppose to worship. The 12 disciples never worshipped Mary.
During the prophet John time who wrote Revelation he said the great city meaning Rome. John said Rome would be represented by a woman in the time of tribulation. Revelation 17:18. Pope Francis wants to add Mary to the trinity.
John says get out of her (Mary’s church) my people. Partake ye not in her sin and receive not her plagues. Revelation 18:4 Catechism of the Catholic church page 223 paragraph 841 says Roman Catholics and Muslims worship the same God. page 224 paragraph 846 states outside the Roman Catholic church one is cursed. Pope Francis is supporting the coming One World Religion.
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=13423
Jesus Christ, the ROCK of our Salvation, gave to ALL 12 Apostles the key to the kingdom of Heaven — WHY ???
So they could open the door to God’s Kingdom that others may enter. The commission given to the 12 was to make disciples and bring them into the Body of Christ thus they needed the KEY to open that door to God’s Kingdom.
The KEY to the kingdom Christ spoke of was not giving over control and ownership of the Church of God the Ecclesia of God to a human man or to a succession of carnal men to rule – to change – to pervert nor to build into an extremely wealthy bureaucracy of men that never marry and turn queer and or into pedophiles. But Rome will soon become THE christian religion to the whole world and will be worshiped by every nation. Then Jesus Christ will return as a warrior King and shall slay His enemies.
Your skipping Revelation chapter 13 the mark 666 the anti-Christ brings to world proving the world does not become Christian. The false prophet in Rome unites all the world’s religions together in the call to world peace. The anti-Christ mid-tribulation will enter the Jewish temple in Jerusalem 2 Thessalonians 2:4 to blasphemy God.
The Jews are preparing to build their temple now. They are called the Temple Mount faithful. They can’t build their temple until the Russian and Iran forces and their allies are destroyed in the Gog/Magog war. Then the world cries for peace and the anti-Christ bringing peace will destroy many.
If you miss the rapture 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 you will be here for the anti-Christ reign and lose your head when accepting Jesus Christ. Revelation 20:4. Jesus returns to earth with the raptured ones in his army to defeat the anti-Christ. Revelation 19:11-20:4 If you submit to the anti-Christ you will be lost and cut off from Jesus Christ in eternity.
Where have you been getting the strange idea there is no anti-Christ and the world will turn Christian? Has the One World Religion sponsored by pope Francis gotten to you already? Don’t worship the pope. Accept Jesus as your personal savior. John 3:16 Then you can get raptured and you will be able to avoid the anti-Christ. Revelation 3:10.
Lujack Skylark
Please show “where” in Revelation 13 it uses the term anti-christ? The term anti-christ is found only 5 times and only in 1st and 2nd John where it says there were many anti-christ in the world then AT the time of John.
The pope, who “is” against Christ thus ‘an’ anti-christ, will enter Jerusalem to offer the Passover Sacrifice at the beginning of the Great Tribulation, the 5th Seal. The world will rejoice.
The last Pope will be head of what the world will consider to be THE Christian church. 99.99% of what is considered to be Christian today —IS not!
Revelation 22: 14, “Blessed are they that DO His Commandments that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter in through the gates into the City.”
The vast majority of what is called christian today believe the Commandments of God were done away by the death of Jesus Christ. They are eternal.
There is no rapture but there are three (3) resurrections:
the first resurrection is of the Saints of God to eternal life at the return of Jesus Christ and they are the small spring harvest,
the 2nd resurrection occurs after the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ on earth and takes place at the beginning of the “Last Great Day” the 7th of God’s Holy Feasts.
At the end of the Last Great Day which is 100 years long occurs the third resurrection which is the resurrection to damnation. All those that will not repent are cast into the Lake of Fire and burnt to ashes and cease to exist for eternity. There is no rapture!
I have the “strange” idea there are MANY anti-christ in the world today, in fact 99.99% of what claims to be christian — is not!
Christ calls HIS OWN “His little flock”,,,, 2 billion is not little and none of them agree on even one thing,
Mostly Elizabethan propaganda starting with that murderous Henry the Eighth . Another attempt by silly Protestant to distant themselves from their origins . The 25000 Protestant sects are as guilty and false as their silly Catholic beginnings. Keep looking for the Rapture silly boys. Get a life you foolish children.
There is no evidence there was a Jesus let alone a Peter, or any of the biblical characters. And even if there was Peter he lived before Judaism was invented by the capitalistic political party called the Pharisees, which means the OT is complete BS. Easy to tell from it’s capitalistic based laws, draconian capital punishments and materialistic afterlife. Peter and the Church never met, seeing as Christianity didn’t exist until 600 years after the fact. The bible NT was compiled from various pagan literature throughout the 6th to 10th centuries CE. There is nothing to distinguish early Christianity with any number of existing pagan cults it is based on.
Basically Christianity started life as a state enforced thought and belief intolerant propaganda organisation, before the days of news papers, radio and tv, to ensure the great unwashed continue to blindly obey their lord and master, keep paying their taxes like good little slaves of the state, and to not mind their rabble rousing in times of war (all the time) so you can earn your lord and master vast amounts of profit at your expense.
You’re all idiots.
Remember to obey your gods laws, no murdering others… unless it’s state ordered mass murder. Then your priests can even join in blessing weapons of mass destruction and even murdering people for the profit of your state dictators. You’re worse than idiots.
@plsnogod / Pix
You’re confusing Christianity with Judaism again retard.
Anyway you aren’t fooling anyone GayTheist.
It’s obviously just state enforced mass murder that you desperately fantasize about and long for.
Your attempting to associate it with Christianity is just your hoping that it will serve as a gateway to your dream of the bloodbath of the Maoist proletariate at the hands of a Pharisee dictatorship.
@plsnogod / Pix
And for someone desparate to replace religion with the state you were noticably ‘silent’ as ‘Pix’ when the state was shown to be ACTUALLY faking the journalist’s beheading. Just plsnogod screaming for holy war (even after it was accepted as fake).
Another strange fact relating to “PIX”
Overlap the letters P, I and X and you get the “Chi-Rho”
CHI RHO – 1. This monogram is the oldest known monogram of Jesus Christ dating back to the second century
http://www.christiansymbols.net/monograms_2.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Rho#Christian_accounts_of_Constantine.27s_adoption_of_the_Chi-Rho
Think this is just a coincidence that the foulest anti-Christian troll uses this emblem?
ZeroSum “CHI RHO – Think this is just a coincidence that the foulest anti-Christian troll uses this emblem?”
Actually it means ‘good’.
It’s not a coincidence that a Christian would plagiarise ancient symbology, they are all so insecure and criminally minded. It’s not Christian in origin, you moron… from the link you provided ” The Chi-Rho symbol was also used by pagan Greek scribes to mark, in the margin, a particularly valuable or relevant passage; the combined letters Chi and Rho standing for chrēston, meaning “good.”[2] Some coins of Ptolemy III Euergetes (r. 246–222 BC) were marked with a Chi-Rho.[3]”
Not criminally minded of Christians to use interesting culinary recipes but criminally minded to NOT practice the, according to you, criminal mentality of the heirs of the Pharisees?
This is just gibberish. Like all your demented straw men fantasies.
The fool hath said in his heart, there is no god.
Said the poli-tic spin merchant to the dissenter. Which god are you talking about? The first state enforced mono deity thought and belief intolerant dictatorship invented by the despotic inbred Egyptian pharaoh Amenhotep IV, c1’300 BCE? The worlds second mono deity dictatorship invented by the capitalistic political party called the Pharisees, post 70 CE? The 6th century CE invented state enforced thought and belief intolerant dictatorships called Christianity and Islam?
Have you researched the imformation for yourself?
No!
pix only believes books written by others like himself. If it comes not from the “holy” order of higher intellectual elite beings ensconced in a college or university it can not be true. You know the ones that have never worked for a living.
Watch your mouth Pix you ball-less wonder.
Speaking of Eunuch’s where is your fat arse father Chris these days?
Pix the Liar ( who only knows the feel of porcelain dicks ) is the resident expert on cross-dressing and doing nothing for a living.
Miss me?
Yes, I’m a research anthropology professor at a UK university. One of the subjects I lecture is to 1st year undergrad theology students the history and origins of their very pagan dogmas. There isn’t a single element in either Judaism, Christianity or Islam that is unique or original. And there isn’t a single theology student that is unaware of their religions pagan origins, it’s a compulsory part of a theology degree. Bear that in mind the next time a preacher insists their ‘story’ is literal and historically accurate.
Don’t talk such garbage. You are just a bogstandard retarded Murican GayTheist with a Nordic Eurotrash fetish and mummy issues.
In the United Kingdom, like most Commonwealth countries (excluding Canada) and Ireland traditionally, a professor held either an established chair or a personal chair. An established chair is established by the university to meet their needs for academic leadership and standing in a particular area or discipline and the post is filled from a shortlist of applicants; only a suitably qualified person will be appointed. A personal chair is awarded specifically to an individual in recognition of their high levels of achievements and standing in their particular area or discipline. In most universities, professorships are reserved for only the most senior academic staff, and other academics are generally known as ‘lecturers’, ‘senior lecturers’ and ‘readers’ (in some Commonwealth countries such as Australia, New Zealand and South Africa, the title ‘associate professor’ can be used instead of ‘reader’).
“”And there isn’t a single theology student that is unaware of their religions pagan origins, it’s a compulsory part of a theology degree. Bear that in mind the next time a preacher insists their ‘story’ is literal and historically accurate. “”
You mean like Noah? Like Abraham? You actually think that you are revealing anything in that?
Don’t bother jousting with “Pix” Meinad… She is a liar and cannot keep her debunked stories of professorship straight.
ZeroSum “Don’t bother jousting with “Pix” Meinad… She is a liar and cannot keep her debunked stories of professorship straight.”
You have zero argument so resort to puerile name calling, which actually proves you don’t believe your own BS. If you did you would not dare bear false witness. What you are doing is role playing your ‘deity’ so you can do the judging instead, which proves without any doubt that you are as much an atheist as I am, but are unable to be honest about it.
Nearly everything I say on BiN can be easily confirmed with a simple Google search. The rest I quote from ancient books that are still waiting for a definitive translation to be uploaded onto the internet, eg ecclesiastical history. The Pharisees for example, and their creation of Judaism after 70 CE. is extremely easy to research. Here’s the wiki on them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees
“The Pharisees (/ˈfærəˌsiːz/) were at various times a political party, a social movement, and a school of thought in the Holy Land during the Second Temple period, beginning under the Hasmonean dynasty (140–37 BCE) in the wake of the Maccabean Revolt. After the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, Pharisaic beliefs became the liturgical and ritualistic basis for Rabbinic Judaism (commonly known as simply Judaism).”
So exactly who is the liar here?
Meinad “You mean like Noah? Like Abraham? You actually think that you are revealing anything in that? ”
There is no evidence they existed. So what is your point? Characters in a fictional book are not evidence they existed. Same as the kids song about Puff the magic dragon does not prove the existence of Puff the magic dragon.
Quote: “So exactly who is the liar here?”
You are the stinky bearded female troll who lies without a lick of shame Pix.
All regulars with half an eye open know your weak, poisonous attacking “Acharya S” schtick and can bare the same witness I offer.
You are just like your father.
@plsnogod
You are. You are malignantly grouping non-pharisees as straw mens figure that you can populate with a proletariate that will include everyone not religiously descended from the Pharisees Christianity (post Christ). You are a bogstandard fundie American GayTheist with the bogstandard nordic fetish that all your types see as a gateway to a proletariate / dictatorship of the proletariate bloodbath.
And all religions, if they believe in a creation, believe they had a roots in the past and a precedent for what they are. This is only astonishing to you because you have a literalistic fundie bloodlust crazed mind.
@plsnogod
You are. You are malignantly grouping non-pharisees as a straw man figure that you can populate with a proletariate that will include everyone not religiously descended from the Pharisees (post Christ). You are a bogstandard fundie American GayTheist with the bogstandard nordic fetish that all your types see as a gateway to a proletariate / dictatorship of the proletariate bloodbath.
And all religions, if they believe in a creation, believe they had a roots in the past and a precedent for what they are. This is only astonishing to you because you have a literalistic fundie bloodlust crazed mind.
Meinad
“In the United Kingdom, like most Commonwealth countries (excluding Canada) and Ireland traditionally, a professor held either an established chair or a personal chair.”
LOL, chair is just a fancy word for a job. All University lecturers have to be professors, eg hold a doctorate level degree in the subject, and do their own research, and publish on it. A new research and a new published paper every 4 years. If you don’t, you can’t have a chair.
@plsnogod
In general in the UK the title of ‘professor’ is reserved for full professors; lecturers and readers are properly addressed by their academic qualification (Dr for a PhD DPhil etc. and Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms otherwise). In New Zealand and Singapore associate professors are by courtesy addressed as “Professor”. In official functions, however, associate professors are addressed as doctor or associate professors and not professors.
Meinad
You are talking about how it was in the 1800′s, all the bowing and scraping, yes sir, no sir to acknowledge title, status and achievement etc. It’s way more informal at Uni. these days, the talk is on first name basis. It’s only when you apply for a job or publish you need to quote your qualifications these days.
ZeroSum
I don’t give a single shit if you believe the provided evidence, or not. You just prove the saying, ‘there is no cure for stupid’.
ZeroSum “You are a little troll who sings the same songs day after day in religious articles…”
Wrong, actually I comment in the Spirituality section. I never comment in the religious sections, what they want to believe amongst themselves is their business. They are keeping to themselves, so there is no problem and nothing wrong with that. But these articles are also being publish in the general Spirituality section where you are acting like childish nazi’s with anyone who dares to disagree.
@plsnogod
“”" It’s only when you apply for a job or publish you need to quote your qualifications these days.”"”
No, I actually went to a British University. You would have your balls ripped off – being on first name terms with someone IS NOT the same as being on another persons name terms with everyone else.
Crackpot.
Meinad
“No, I actually went to a British University. You would have your balls ripped off – being on first name terms with someone IS NOT the same as being on another persons name terms with everyone else.”
It wasn’t for an English degree was it, I can tell… Can we have that last sentence in English please? I understand lots of languages, but not gibberish.
@plsnogod
And there we have it
For our ‘Chi Rho’ someone being on first name terms with someone else = his being that other person with everyone else too.
Facepalm
Meinad
@plsnogod
And there we have it
For our ‘Chi Rho’ someone being on first name terms with someone else = his being that other person with everyone else too.
Facepalm
Apart from the fact you are completely wrong and doing the typical Christian thing of lying, plagiarising and slandering. Chi Rho is Greek pagan in origin and means ‘good’. It was in use provably 800 years before your draconian capitalistic dark age thought and belief intolerant dictatorship was foisted on the world.
There were no popes on Earth when Peter walked it. Nothing in the scriptures gives authority to Satanic popes. All religion originates with Satan. He brought religion to Earth in the Garden of Eden. It’s been his tool ever since.
“Satan. He brought religion to Earth in the Garden of Eden. It’s been his tool ever since.”
You mean to tell me you can’t see the massive contradiction there? Of your belief the bible stories are true but the bibles creators, the Catholic church is Satanic?
What contradiction? The Roman Catholic Church was Roman emperor Constantine’s creation while the last book of the Bible was Revelation written by John in 95 A.D. on the island of Patmos.
The Biblical manuscripts were over 200 years old past down in every generation before the Roman Catholic Church ever appeared on the scene.
I think that the New Testament probably preceded their being written down and passed on and St Paul’s writings are the oldest.
This is the church
Matthew 16
17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
18 “I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
19 “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.”…
The church is not in Jerusalem. She is in Babylon.
1 Peter 5
13 She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you greetings, and so does my son, Mark.
14 Greet one another with a kiss of love. Peace be to you all who are in Christ.
Lujack Skylark “What contradiction? The Roman Catholic Church was Roman emperor Constantine’s creation while the last book of the Bible was Revelation written by John in 95 A.D. on the island of Patmos.”
Christianity claims Constantine created Christianity, typically no evidence of course. What we do know for a fact is that Constantine was a despot, after he caught and survived the plague that killed 50% of the population including his wife, he was an insane despot. He was also a devout zealous follower of Mithras, a long established pagan cult that Christianity is almost identical to. There is no evidence, nothing to distinguish Christianity from any of the pagan cults, until the 6th century CE.
The Greek scroll collection, Revelation was found in a cave on the Island of Patmos, famous for it’s use by shaman. It is in fluent Greek, not in John’s pidgeon Aramaic. The bible claims John was a prisoner on the Island, not free to roam and live in caves. It is not the same hand writing or written in the same style as the other literature attributed to him. It dates to exactly 70 CE, the year the Roman empire wiped the Israelites off the face of Earth. And it describes Greek mythology. Most notably the 4 horses, same names, colouring and attributes that pull the sun chariot across the sky. It was added to the bible by Pope Augustine, also the last paragraph thus finalising the bible, c10th century CE. He is also famous for inventing hell fire and brimstone and sex is only for procreation.
There is nothing in the bible that is unique or original to Christianity, it all comes from pagan sources, including baptism, the eucharist, a heaven or hell afterlife, a half human half divine saviour born on 25th December, born of a virgin, had 12 followers, performed miracles, sacrificed and died on a cross. Same church hierarchy, same costumes, same terminology, same dogma, same festivals dates and all.
The Roman empire didn’t just scatter the roaches, the Romans had zero tolerance of rebellions within their provinces, they butchered every last man, women, child, suckling baby (female children would have been raped first, they didn’t kill the innocent so they made sure they were not), slaugtered their livestock, burned their crops and homes and raised Jerusalem to the ground… leaving not one stone standing upon another, exactly as described. The Roman legions would have salted the earth to prevent any crops growing there, the fact they didn’t means there were no survivors.
“”The Roman empire didn’t just scatter the roaches, the Romans had zero tolerance of rebellions within their provinces, they butchered every last man, women, child, suckling baby (female children would have been raped first, they didn’t kill the innocent so they made sure they were not), slaugtered their livestock, burned their crops and homes and raised Jerusalem to the ground… leaving not one stone standing upon another, exactly as described. The Roman legions would have salted the earth to prevent any crops growing there, the fact they didn’t means there were no survivors.”"
So why are you still fantasizing about the Hebrew Bible plsnogod?
Why are you still fantasizing about Rome destroying Israel when it was the Assyrians 700 yearts earlier?
Because you are a wannabe blood guzzling psychopath who thinks that Christianity is standing in the way of your becoming this your true self
Meinad / aka, the BiN quere Beef Supreme.
“So why are you still fantasizing about the Hebrew Bible plsnogod?” I’m not, you are.
“Why are you still fantasizing about Rome destroying Israel when it was the Assyrians 700 yearts earlier?” I don’t deal in fantasy, only facts. Do you have any… nope didn’t think so.
Because you are a wannabe blood guzzling psychopath who thinks that Christianity is standing in the way of your becoming this your true self” = lost the argument.
“”On the whole, says Eugene Ulrich, a University of Notre Dame professor and editor of the biblical texts, the scrolls show that the Hebrew Bible “has been amazingly accurately preserved” through centuries of hand-copying. One scroll that contains a major portion of the book of Isaiah, for example, shows only 13 minor variations from the modern version. Yet among the multiple copies of some biblical texts discovered at Qumran, scholars have found that “variant literary editions” of the Bible existed side by side. That, says Ulrich, suggests that at the time there was in Judaism no single “authorized” version. The sacred texts, he theorizes, were updated occasionally with new theological ideas or to explain changing historical circumstances. Only later, when doctrinal debates arose between Christians and Jews, did religious leaders settle on preferred editions of the Hebrew Bible.”"
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As stated Christianity preceded Judaism. so you’re out 600 years on that one.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea#mediaviewer/File:First_century_palestine.gif
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You can point out Israel in this 1st century AD map to me then
So you are out 790 years on this one as Israel was destroyed by the Assyrians not the Romans.
The Conquest of Israel
In 722 BC, the Assyrians conquered Israel. The Assyrians were aggressive and effective; the history of their dominance over the Middle East is a history of constant warfare. In order to assure that conquered territories would remain pacified, the Assyrians would force many of the native inhabitants to relocate to other parts of their empire. They almost always chose the upper and more powerful classes, for they had no reason to fear the general mass of a population. They would then send Assyrians to relocate in the conquered territory.
Meinad
“”On the whole, says Eugene Ulrich, a University of Notre Dame professor and editor of the biblical texts, the scrolls show that the Hebrew Bible “has been amazingly accurately preserved” through centuries of hand-copying. ”
Sure since it was created in the 6th century CE, it has been accurately translated,… perhaps that’s why they bring out a new revised edition every other year, because it’s soooo accurate. not.
You read this:
““”The Qumran cache consists of scrolls or fragments from 800 different documents written between about 200 B.C. and A.D. 50. About 127 of them are biblical texts, including the oldest known versions of the Old Testament minus the book of Esther. “”
and proclaim from your acquaintance “Gone to the loo. Back in 5 minutes” Professor’s chair that the dead sea scrolls date to the 6th century AD? Why am I not surprised?!
You see Paul was a Roman citizen. Acts 16:36-37. Paul traveled extensively throughout the Roman empire. The apostle Peter was the rock which settled in Jerusalem and from Jerusalem the other apostles traveled throughout the Middle-East preaching the gospel.
The Roman soldiers scattered the Jews from Israel in 70 A.D. and the Christians despersed from Israel to preach to the whole world except the apostle Peter had died before 70 A.D. Peter never made it to Rome. Peter preached to the Jews while Paul preached to the Gentiles.
It wouldn’t matter where Peter was. There was no Israel. He was in Babylon which is taken to be Rome.
The New Testament says nothing about non-Jews being part of the Abrahamic covenant or under Mosaic law.
Meinad
Judaism didn’t exist until after the Israelites were wiped off the face of Earth by the Roman empire in 70 CE. So you would be correct in saying “The New Testament says nothing about non-Jews being part of the Abrahamic covenant or under Mosaic law.” because it didn’t exist at that time.
If you are arguing that Christianity is Constantinism then why would Judaism not be considered to be Phariseeism?
“”The Qumran cache consists of scrolls or fragments from 800 different documents written between about 200 B.C. and A.D. 50. About 127 of them are biblical texts, including the oldest known versions of the Old Testament minus the book of Esther. The remainder are biblical commentaries, prayers, prophecies, hymns, and sectarian rules of conduct and worship. On the whole, says Eugene Ulrich, a University of Notre Dame professor and editor of the biblical texts, the scrolls show that the Hebrew Bible “has been amazingly accurately preserved” through centuries of hand-copying. One scroll that contains a major portion of the book of Isaiah, for example, shows only 13 minor variations from the modern version. Yet among the multiple copies of some biblical texts discovered at Qumran, scholars have found that “variant literary editions” of the Bible existed side by side. That, says Ulrich, suggests that at the time there was in Judaism no single “authorized” version. The sacred texts, he theorizes, were updated occasionally with new theological ideas or to explain changing historical circumstances. Only later, when doctrinal debates arose between Christians and Jews, did religious leaders settle on preferred editions of the Hebrew Bible.”"
http://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/articles/1997/06/29/the-reason-god-tested-abraham
Lujack Skylark “You see Paul was a Roman citizen. Acts 16:36-37. Paul traveled extensively throughout the Roman empire.”
You mean the Turkish trader, Pharisee Saul? Yes, he also had a Roman citizenship, which makes him a high ranking Pharisee. The Pharisees were a capitalistic political party made up of wealthy influential bankers/money lenders and traders, not a religion. They had branches in Rome, Turkey, Egypt, Judea, Arabia, Greece and elsewhere. They manipulated politics to line their own pockets, wage wars to loot other countries and keep power away from the poor, the sick and minorities. They destroyed Rome’s republic from within… Deja Vu?
“”he Pharisees were a capitalistic political party made up of wealthy influential bankers/money lenders and traders, not a religion. “”
No such thing as a religion. It’s just a word you made up. Pharisees were not temple priests though and were more popularly concerned with the law. Like lawyers.
Those who labour, those who trade, those who fight, those who pray.
Jesus Christ is the key cornerstone. Ephesians 2:20. Christianity was founded in Israel not Rome.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+2%3A19-22&version=NKJV
Meinad you don’t research history. The Assyrians took away 10 Jewish tribes. Then there was Babylonian captivity. The Persians then allowed the Jews to go home.
Pix you are a typical anti-Semite who will enjoy the coming tribulation which occurs when the false prophet in Rome will call all world religions together in the name of world peace after the power of Russia, Iran and their allies are destroyed in the Gog/Magog war. Read the words of pope Francis right now. He is calling the world’s religions together for peace even before the Gog/Magog war starts.
http://www.voanews.com/content/pope-justice/1625457.html
Once the Middle-East war is over the Jews will build their temple in Jerusalem in which the anti-Christ in the mid-tribulation will appear.
http://templemountfaithful.org/ The terrorists will be destroyed in the Psalms 83 war/Isaiah 17:1 war. Then the Russian Gog/Magog war follows. When the guns are silent the anti-Christ will appear and the tribulation will begin.
@Lujack Skylark
I was referring to the divided kingdom of Israel and Judah.The usual account is that the 10 tribes were scattered and then later some of the remaining kingdom of Judah was taken into captivity. It was they who returned.
The Samaritans also call themselves Israel too though. But that was not a state.
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Jesus’ sacrifice for mankind was not the Jews sacrifice. Or non-Jews sacrifice. It would have been the sacrifice of a jealous God jealous of his sacrifice.
“Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” (Matthew 10:5,6)1
By ignoring this you are assuming that there is still a sacrifice yet to be fully completed. Assuming you are the Christ.
This post sacrifice melting pot dream of what will remain when the Jews and non-Jewish people have fullfilled their ‘sacrificing of their peoples’: the dream of whores.
Meinad your hatred of the Jews is consisted with Bible prophecy. The Bible is a Jewish book from Genesis to Revelation. The Jews however will be survivors and meet the Lord Zechariah 14:2-9 when Jesus Christ establishes his 1000 year reign on earth. (Revelation 20:4)
It will not be “the Jews” who survive the tribulation and the final battle. It will be “spiritual Israel”, not physical Israel.
It will be physical Israel. Zechariah 12:10 The Jews will see Jesus Christ who hands and side was pierced and mourn for him. Zechariah 14:2-9 all the world will come against the Jews at Armageddon and Jerusalem. Jesus Christ with the raptured Christians will return to earth Revelation 19:11-20:4 establishing a 1000 year reign. Then there will be the judgment of the wicked. Revelation 20:11-15. Then there will be a new heaven and new earth for eternity.
@Lujack Skylark
Well presumably that would still exclude ‘spiritual’ Israel.
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
@Lujack Skylark
Only Jews can be anti-Jewish.
You are the one who thinks that all Jews and all non-Jewish people have to go into a whore melting pot. Which is what you are threatening Jews with by quoting Revelation. That everyone not Jewish – including yourself – is going to hell along with everyone not not Jewish. But if not even Jesus, Peter Paul etc was ever a non-practicing Jew why should Jews or anyone else enter into your Roman whore melting pot? And who with exactly? The church is not a slave plantation breeding pit. You are projecting.
@Lujack Skylark
Projecting ancient Rome and America onto the children of Israel etc.
Revelation 3:10 says Christ will protect those who believe in Jesus Christ from the Roman anti-Christ who will arise. True Christians are taken in the rapture and Jews who witness the anti-Christ blasphemy God in the Jewish Temple 2 Thessalonians 2:4 listening to the Jewish prophet Daniel Matthew 24:15-16 will escape in tribulation to Edom, Moab and Ammon. Daniel 11:41 until Jesus Christ returns Zechariah 14:2-9 & Revelation 19:11-20:4 to reign for 1,000 years and the Jews Zechariah 14:9 & Zechariah 12:10 at that time will recognize Jesus Christ as their savior.
The rapture? So only slobs are true Christians? The do nothings?
Well they are still in the Roman whore melting pot until then aren’t they?
Or are they somewhere else?
Where would this be?
The rapture? So only slobs are true Christians? The do nothings?
Well they are still in the Roman whore melting pot until then aren’t they?
Or are they somewhere else?
Where would this be?
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1 Peter 5
13 She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you greetings, and so does my son, Mark.
14 Greet one another with a kiss of love. Peace be to you all who are in Christ.
The papacy was established by Christ, the Son of the Living God. For the past 2,0000 years, Christ has kept his promise to sustain the papacy with grace and truth.
Anyone who refuses to acknowledge this obvious fact is not fit for the kingdom of heaven. Christ is the only one who ever conquered death. His throne as the resurrected Lord cannot be toppled or overthrown.
Everyone who has ever lived — or ever will live — must stand before Christ in judgment. No amount of pseudo-intellectual self-delusion can change that fact. What I have just said is both a statement of faith and a conclusion arrived at by reason.
Louis, you are delusional. I read the Catholic encyclopedia. Your so-called popes before Roman emperor Constantine had a garbled existence of one line histories. The Vatican invented history doing a real injustice to real true Christians.
You reject Revelation chapter 13 as the anti-Christ is something that is not taught in the Vatican circles because it is Roman Catholicism which brings about the One World Religion and you are as blind as a bat by not seeing that Jesuit pope Francis is leading the world in that direction.
Jesus Christ was the foundation the cornerstone rejected by the whole world not the apostle Peter. Louis you believe the pope, the priests, the saints and the mother Mary will get you to heaven but Jesus says different. (John 3:16)
You were likely borned into the faith. This is why you never studied the history of the Roman Catholic Church the killers of the real saints. All one has to do is look at the ancient history of Roman Catholicism which in the beginning killed pagans with the sword instead of converting them to Jesus Christ by using the Bible. Look at the Spanish Inquisition when the popes tortured people who would not submit to Roman Catholicism. Look at Roman Catholic Adolf Hitler who was never ex-communicated from your Holy Church. I guess the slaughter of 6 million Jews and other people is all right with you.
Yes, there is judgment. The Lord will ask you why you did not investigate Roman Catholicism. The Lord will show you Revelation 20:4 how many real Christians in tribulation were beheaded for their testimony in Jesus Christ. What will your reward be for standing up for the papacy which has all that blood stained on their hands?
Have you ever read the OT? Obviously you don’t believe it.
You sound like a raving fundamentalist lunatic — most probably possessed. Lots of possessed people — mainly sexual perverts and sex addicts — post on BIN. Arguing with them is a waste of time. They don’t respond to reason. They idolize the flesh.
Nothing I said in my previous post was “delusional.” You are delusional and you’re projecting your mental and spiritual disease on me.
Peter was never the head of the church, much having the authority to pass it on to a pseudo-religious organization like pagan roman catholicism. The text used to call Peter the head of the church is mis-translated. When Jesus said he was a rock, it translates pebble or rolling stone, while Jesus identified Himself as the rock upon which the church would be built.
If Peter was such a rock, it is ironic that a couple verses later he was speaking contrary to Jesus’ wishes, and Jesus rebuked him and said “Get behind me Satan.”
The actual person who functioned as the head of the church after Jesus left, is identified as James in Acts.
Roman catholics only came along 3-4 centuries later as an iteration of the Roman Empire, using the Christian religion as a decoy to rule the world. Paganism is rife throughout the religion to this day, and the elite and leaders worship something far different than their members and lower clergy.
“a pseudo-religious organization like pagan roman catholicism”
Like recognizing Jesus as the son of God during his life?
17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
18 “I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this ‘pebble’ I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
19 “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.”…”"
Louis, your guided by a delusional religion which bows down before saints, backs about every Latin American dictatorship and habors and protects priests whom abuse little children. The Bible says in 1 Timothy 3:2 bishops are allowed to have a wife. Your Vatican organization rejects that natural affection by saying priests and nuns can’t marry.
Every word you say sounds deranged. You’re unqualified to speak about spiritual issues. Even your web moniker Skylark advertises that you’re a bird-brain.
louis
If one were to compare the life of Christ and the Apostles with the lives of a pope, priest and “nun’s “, there is not one way they are similar. The religion of gentile Rome is 180 degrees in the opposite direction of the Way of God. Your gentile religion absolutely changed every single thing Christ taught and did.
The Church of God was began on the Feast of Pentecost, 50 days after the resurrection of Jesus Christ and it occurred in Jerusalem, the Eternal City of God that Jesus Christ will return to – not in gentile Rome 100 years later.
Louis, You can’t even read. 1 Timothy 3:2 True Christianity accepts the fact that men and women as Christians can marry. The Vatican makes up its own rules contrary to real Christian guidelines.
You can’t even read Bible prophecy since your religion doesn’t preach on Bible prophecy. Ok, expert Louis enjoy the coming tribulation and the grand delusion after the rapture 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 takes place. 2 Thessalonians 2:11.
Does your Bible have those scriptures? The rapture movie is coming out October 4, 2014 perhaps that will educate you.
@Truthseeker
“”The Church of God was began on the Feast of Pentecost, 50 days after the resurrection of Jesus Christ and it occurred in Jerusalem, the Eternal City of God that Jesus Christ will return to – not in gentile Rome 100 years later.”"
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You are projecting your Whore of Babylon mindset onto Jerusalem
Matthew 26
31 Then Jesus said to them, “You will all fall away because of Me this night, for it is written, ‘I WILL STRIKE DOWN THE SHEPHERD, AND THE SHEEP OF THE FLOCK SHALL BE SCATTERED.’
32 “But after I have been raised, I will go ahead of you to Galilee.”
33 But Peter said to Him, “Even though all may fall away because of You, I will never fall away.”…
Compared to what? The people who think that the governments and corporations that established such dictatorships are theirs? Louis seems to believe in the coming of God in a death star but at least he doesn’t go on about everyone in the world not physically Israel (i.e. physically Babylonians) are going to get it in the neck because of that. And at least priests nuns etc weren’t primarily concerned with physically establishing a new species of their human heirs separate from the rest of the world’s humans.