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UPDATED! POPE ASSASSINATION Neil DisGrace to the world and Dr. Turi predictions - UPDATE - 1/18/2015 - SOS TO THE WORLD MAKE NOTES - Next dates are January 20/21/22 (earthquake above 6.0) February 1/2/3/ (earthquake above 6.0) and February 10/11/12 Terrorist/police news)

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1/16/2015

Solar Dynamics Observatory captures 100 millionth image – cosmos? These were my words on my last 2 radio shows “Be ready for Cosmic news!” And NASA confirmed my prediction on January 21, 2015 right on my window! http://www.drturi.com/to-usgs-nasa-and-all-the-moronic-educated-atheists/
 
NOTE the same EXACT cosmic energy was in place when I made the same prediction on the Discovery channel national TV weeks ahead of time. I mentioned in one of my radio shows that the producer of the show wanted full proof of my prediction before William Shatner could endorse my work on national TV! Dr. Turi on William Shatner’s TV Show – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfZdP0t-oG0&list=UULc83izGjmTi1gQy6l1YEkA&index=35
 
Discovery Channel – Dr. Turi’s proof of prediction of the Sunspot region 1402 producing a M8.7 flare on January 24, 2012. http://www.drturi.com/discovery-channel-dr-turis-predictions/ Share Pls
 

Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion brainwashing the nerds! Thanks Chopper!

10. Science Thinks Humans are all the same and know nothing of the human UCI
9. It Casts Out Heretics and Persecutes all Other Religions 
8. Science Reveres Its Own Saints.ie. Neil DisGrace
7. Science Makes up Stories to Explain Our Origins and ignore other facts!
6. Science Has Its Own Code of Ethics Destroy ingenuity 
5. Science Has Its Own Priesthood practiced in “Dark Matter”
4. Science is Based on Established Dogmas refusing new ideas
3. Science Will Bend to Accommodate Modern Trends to attract more idiots
2. Most of Science is Unfounded and coming in HOT at NUMBER ONE….. drumroll please…….

1. Science also Requires FAITH astrology does not!

Fifty years from today, if humanity do not self-destruct be

 Jan 18, 2015, Dr Turi by Paranormal Central Jan 18, 2015, Dr Turi http://new.livestream.com/ParanormalCentral1/events/3736057

UPDATE – 1/18/2015 – SOS TO THE WORLD MAKE NOTES Next dates are January 20/21/22 (earthquake above 6.0)  February 1/2/3/ (earthquake above 6.0)  and February 10/11/12 Terrorist/police news) 

“The universe is under no obligation to make any SPIRITUAL sense to anyone”  Dr. Turi

Dr. Turi on the air explaining all about the moon and UFO

Jeffrey Gonzalez, Paranormal Central  January 18, 2015  6:45pm to 7:30pm PM-MST
Pete Santilli Show January 19, 2015 12pm to 1pm PM-MST

The moon is a planet

Dear readers;

Important announcement! I came to the conclusion to STOP once and for all generating public cosmic code newsletters,  because the FBI, the police and the public is not yet able  to conceive my work, nor appreciate my intellectual sacrifices. I will continue generating my educational newsletters, and my universal personal guidance in our Cosmic Code private website for my VIP only. Make the most of this one because, as of today, only small bulletins will be posted to the public.

Are you ready for the truth and can you handle the truth readers?  here we go…

The moon is a planet video is nothing else than another cleverly design advertisement generated by the scientific matrix who hired some actors to sell Neil DeGrasse Tyson’s products to those who shares his rational views on the moon and the cosmos!  But the misinformed gullible public is not aware of the endless financial masquerades going on TELL e-vision designed to bring more people to his public events!

 The “Soul of the Cosmos” has much more to offer the public, especially to the atheist born OCD generation!

I also know, the sarcastic title The moon is a planet and  idea was generated by the famous astrophysicists himself who truly believe he knows better more about the cosmos and the moon  than all erudite men of the past and Dr. Turi!

“The universe is under no obligation to make any SPIRITUAL sense to you Mister DeGrasse, not all human spiritual DNA or UCI are “cosmically” designed like yours… And thanks for that!

Neil DisGrace, I am a non cosmic conscious educated agnostic  Libra idiot

Those who are the least knowledgeable on the science of Astrology can only deny its veracity and worse, never studied it. The same apply for the moon perceived only as a lifeless rock  orbiting around the earth!  While the moon is our closest satellite, it is considered by Astrologers as a luminary,  and her gravitational forces exerted upon the oceans and the subtle effects on the human psyche, while undiscovered yet, are simply extraordinary.

Its crucial to teach your children that; the impact of a full moon will drive human insane and steer an upsurge of activity in all emergency services and hospitals! Indeed the worlds “lunatic, moody, crabby” were created as a subconscious response to our close satellite!

A full moon will always steer the sins and the deadly animal instincts of cursed human beings! Add to the Full Moon a personal negative cosmic biorhythms, and all killers, rapists, terrorists and criminals on earth tend to get ” magically activated!”

Human are nothing else that robots of their stars and the moon above, psychically, neurotically, and subconsciously forcing them to act out their karmic UCI, all for good or evil!  And this is why, investigating your inherited Cosmic Identity is the only way to apply the human will against the planets and avoid the penalty.

The human will, or the part of God in each one of us,  is still much stronger than the stars, this mean, only if you own cosmic consciousness will you be able to make a good use of your celestial make up!

“God created the stars and the heaven for more than the sake of beauty; He gave them to us for interpretation so that we may live a safer more productive life.  Man is superior to the stars if he lives in the power of superior wisdom. Such a person being the master over heaven and earth, by means of his will, is a magus, and magic is not sorcery but supreme wisdom.” 

~ Paracelsus

Furthermore, it is a recognized scientific fact that; people do suffer sleepless nights during a full moon. “Full moon may disrupt sleep, study says ” Moon’s Cycle Tied to Heart Surgery Outcomes: Study.”

But even with proven scientific researches about the moon effects, hard core agnostics like Neil DeGrasse will never change their mind nor question the validity of his own educated compatriots findings on “Moon Power!”

 This explain why I usually refer to many scientists as “educated” stubborn donkeys!  But I’m sure not all scientists were born morons and those are the ones I am trying to reach! Then again, they are the paid insiders to not share this type of information. Only those born with an above average intelligence can grasp our spiritual cosmic teachings! Indeed there is a big difference between education and intelligence…

Now this is where my readers, including the atheists, agnostics and skeptics alike must use common sense and try to think progressively for a change!  Once more, while it is formidable to educate our children on the physical compositions, distances and marvels of the cosmos and all the planets through Astronomy, what will humanity be left with, they can use in their daily lives?

A great educational  entertainment on the solar system mechanics is all you will take home with you… But what about the “Soul of the Cosmos” and the spiritual purposes imposed by God upon humanity?

The beauty about my work is that it is repetitive and well documented, and with it, the option for  rational scientific investigations. All I have to prove my claim is; the constant repetition of a gift that can serve humanity to adhere to a subtle cosmic phenomenon induced by a cosmic God, atheists deny and Christians fear!

God is an eternal, universal cosmic energy referred as “Dark Matter” by an infantile science and man created religious folly!” Dr. Turi

Atheists & Christians, A Cosmic God is Really Pissed Off At You!

Typhoon heading toward Pope in Philippines, nears planned outdoor Mass

“Because they are seeing, they see not; and hearing, they hear not; neither do they understand the voice of heaven.” Matthew 13.13

Even Pope Francis, the sole Christian God representative on earth can not read, nor does he heed the signs and I do not want my nasty prediction to come to pass… 

2015 Nostradamus Neptunius Draconis Universal Predictions

Thus what chances do I have to reach those groups dedicated to exterminate each others and educate them when the facts of my undeniable chain of predictions involving the police can not be assimilated or are rejected?

Think of Neil DeGrasse’  teachings for entertainment purposes only and what you can do with them while living on earth… You’ll take it home and ponder on the marvel of a universe you belong to no one taught you how to use!  You may as well go to the circus and watch those like James Randi do his magical tricks then believe it was all real!

And if you think one day you’ll be going or living on Mars, then you are the perfect candidate for the  scientific matrix endless televised financial masquerades!  But think of what I am trying to do when warning the police, the FBI and society at large! I am only transcribing the passage of the moon through the belt of the zodiac.

Don’t you think those fortunes should be used for humanity psychical welfare instead when the world is slowing going insane and Mother Earth is showing serious signs of distress?  Indeed, within the next fifty years, science will destroy the world if you do not do your part to help end the growing wave of atheism cursing the world!

And if you think my predictions are to be trusted, you have been warned and if you don’t just remember what you are reading today…

How is it possible for anyone not to relate to my work when my quatrains and the keywords I write are so easy to assimilate?   But there is a confusion, a miscommunication I must clarify, sorry for being French and using a foreign language to reach you and your spirit!

I do not predict ANYTHING readers, using a modified software, I only expose a timing, a cosmic pattern  that has proven, over and over to be unarguable, not only with natural disasters and  earthquakes, but also with all human terrorist affairs!

January February 2015 SOS To The World Deadly Windows Police Warnings!  posted originally December 20, 2014 in  ”Officers.com Police shame and disgrace – 2015/2016 SOS POLICE WINDOWS!”

Neil DisGrace’ obnoxious educated attitude is induced by Saturn (the mathematician scientist born, the astronomer the atheist)  cursing his 3rd house of critical thinking. And it is not an accident for Sir Isaac Newton and Carl Sagan to own and suffer the same cosmic limiting influences, to reject Astrology and turn to Astronomy instead. Looking through a microscope or a telescope will never offer any scientist the keys to what it means to be human…

But it’s not easy to prove this case when everyone  ridicules our work, mutes it and fires me? Indeed it is easy to deny the values of the Mother of All Science when Dr. Turi’s work is denied. And this is why, I can only work with the past and the future to help you comprehend my work.

Back in December 20, 2014, I gave the dates of January 14/15/16 – January 24/25 and February 20/21 2015 in future “SOS POLICE windows.”  I did this to make the same points I made with my latest “predictions.”

A five year-old could easily assimilate my work, but fear or the egotistic spiritual “educated” pride of Neil Disgrace and his sarcasm about Astrology, the Mother of all science,  is not helping YOU and your children!

I would never ever dismiss nor ridicule Astronomy, because I studied the subject and know it to be a reliable science! But the skeptics should further investigate Astrology before assuming anything about it is only amazing to us…

I am NOT a psychic and all my students, clients and patients are not gullible morons! Little do they know that; many of our supporters  are very accomplished people, and intellectually well above the majority of all the young souls rejecting Astrology and God’s cosmic Divinity.

Once more   I DO NOT PREDICT ANYTHING, never did, never will! I only point out a cosmic wind depicting the very high possibility for natural disasters and all human affairs!  And since 1991 I have been using the moon to make my endless unarguable “predictions!”

What Neil DeGrasse has to say about the moon is regurgitating anything anyone can read on Google! Or the work of all other people before him! Ingenuousness can not be duplicated but generated by gifted people only. And Neil deGrasse while being famous, very educated and entertaining,  is far from being a genius! 

And YES many more cops will die before, during and after my windows, as well as many other people; something Astrophysicists and astronomers alike can never understand nor teach!  But it is because both the cops and criminals are not only affected by the Universal cosmic code jurisdictions, but also by their own personal  Personal Cosmic Biorhythms.

Understanding the dynamics of a spiritual cosmos can only be done by studying and building cosmic consciousness and this demand time and intellectual efforts.

And this is why I told those young FBI agents, when they visited me, a few days ago,  ”NOT ALL CALLS ARE DEADLY,” only those taking place during my SOS Police windows are!  1/15/2015 Man shoots, kills officer.

It is crucial for all police officers to have access to my software in their cars and check their Personal Cosmic Biorhythms, or if at all possible, check also the UCI of the person they are about to meet.

The FBI, the Police Administration or the police academy have so far been unable to recognize the gift I own and make a good use of it when only scientists words and  their rational education count and is considered sacred. Will they ever get it?

 LEARN ABOUT YOUR UCI IN THIS VIDEO!

 And this is what makes the difference between life and death! And, for all the  sub-human young souls to crucify me in 2015 does not show much of their intelligence!

WHAT IS IT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND IN MY QUATRAIN AND KEYWORDS?

Plutonic QUATRAIN

 Hidden secrets sex, money come to light
Raw power challenges police deadly villains
Ugly face of death drama horror surface
Nature, man’s religion bloody folly reign

KEYWORDS
 

 Russia/ Famous Death / Dramatic News / Police /FBI / CIA / Mob / Secrets / Scandals / Wake Up Call / Terrorism / Finances / Sex / Serial Killers / Death News.

HELLO HELLO FBI will you wake up this time?

Update 1/14/2015 RIGHT ON THE DOT! 1/14/2015

Four at Secret Service lose jobs  FBI? Secret Service cleans house after scandals - scandals?

Results - FBI, CIA, NSA POLICE WHAT THE HECK? Time for your wake up call! VIDEO

How ludicrous it is for anyone to think ET and UFO are not real?

UFO”s Are Very Real  –  And So Is The Legacy! - What Did They Do To Me?

I gave my Moon Power book for free every years, including my 2014 version, but my work is not appreciated nor understood by the public and this is why this book is the last version I will ever offer. Only my VIP’s will enjoy the true power of the Moon affecting the human experiences daily!

Now comes your choice, its Neil DeGrasse teachings for entertainment only or join us to read my daily, universal and personal guidance and predictions you can use to live a safer more productive life!

January 2015 Moon Transits…
January 2015 Daily Guidance and Predictions
January 2015 SOS To The World Deadly Windows
January 2015 Elaborated Horoscope For All Signs
2015 Mercury retrograde periods – Supernova windows
2015 Nostradamus Neptunius Draconis Universal Predictions

Will you die today or win the lottery? 

Moon Power scepter: Pluto is back with us; Be VERY careful of what you say, where you go and what you do! Unaware police officers and/or criminals will meet with their death. Many other unprepared souls will pay the ultimate price by losing their precious lives and this could be you too. Please DO take my heed VERY seriously! Plutonic windows dates depict EXTREME criminal activity and police VULNERABILITY. No one is safe when EVIL reign on earth! 

The Do’s and Don’ts

Remember knowledge is power, ignorance is evil and if there an EVIL energy you must recognize and control it is indeed Pluto. Now do not fall for a bunch of moronic educated astronomers who; depraved of cosmic wisdom Pluto, the moon and the stars as pretty rocks hanging above the earth for the sake of beauty only. First I would suggest the reader to read What The Bleep Do They Know?

Once you acknowledge Pluto inner life and its karmic influence upon humankind you will be ready to assimilate the DO’S and DON’TS – This long list of advises can make the difference between life and death or/and a very costly dramatic experience you and your loved ones certainly do not need.

The DO’s:· Time for you to dig into deep secrets, Pluto loves bringing back dirt so you will meet the people or get the information you need.

· Time for you to dwell with magic and do some Cabalistic ritual to cleanse your home and spirit from low entities. My Cabalistic Cleansing ritual is a good start. Don’t ask for it unless your are a VIP.
· Time for you to dig into your bank account and see any fraud activity.
· Time for you to get rid of your current credit card and ask for another one
· Stay clear from doing or saying anything wrong to the police, remember the Rodney King dilemma?
· Stay clear from Sunday psychics, psychic accidents are very real.
· Stay clear from haunted houses; bad entities could succeed stealing your mind, body and spirit.
· Stay clear from prostitutes an STD or AIDS is lurking around.
· Time for you to visit your departed ones and ask them for guidance and protection.
· Time for you to take serious notice of all your dreams or learn all about a prophetic or imaginative dream.
· Time for you to for you to dig into my long list of newsletter to find what you really need or the answer of a question you may have.
· Time for you to think about your own mortality and write your will.
· Time for you to investigate any form of legal or corporate endeavor.
· Time for you to regenerate your spirit and learn more about witchcraft.
· Time for you to look for ghost’s manifestation.
· Time for you to enjoy a horror movie or sex movie, yes nothing wrong with porn if you are French or if you are normal. God made sex to feel good so we do it often.
· Time for you to tell the truth to anyone but be cautious doing so.
· Time for you to deal with the police if the moon is waxing.
· Time for you to join the Law Enforcement Agency if you UCI endorse such a dangerous job.
· Time for you to clarify your situation in court of a cop did you wrong.
· Time for you to visit or deal with an attorney to sue anyone who deserve karma.
· Time for you to look where your spirit is at in your life.
· Time for you to wake up to religious poisoning.
· Time for you to listen to your intuition about certain people.
· Time for you to realize your strengths and your weaknesses or be reminded soon.
· Time for you to do what you are the most scared and win.
· Time for you to realize you are actually on hell and fighting for survival.
· Time for you to tap on the Plutonic forces to stop smoking or drinking.
· Time for you to apply your will to do the impossible.
· Time for you to listen to your intuition.
· Time for you to learn the hard way why you went to jail and learn from your errors.
· Time for you to cry your eyes out and feel sorry for yourself.
· Time for you to realize you cannot hide any longer from the undiluted truth.
· Time for you to die and rebirth into a much better, wiser person.

The DON’TS: especially if the moon is waning or if you are under any of your personal native Dragon dates· Stay clear from large public gathering, may religious lunatics died in stampedes.
· Stay clear from suspicious people, your intuition won’t let you down.
· Stay clear from an offer than sound too good to be true.
· Stay clear from fast money making schemes, jail or death is next.
· Stay clear from the low life, you could get hurt or killed for a dollar.
· Stay clear from gang’s activity or recruitment, your death is near.
· Stay clear from doing or saying anything wrong to the police, remember the Rodney King dilemma?
· Stay clear from Sunday psychics, psychic accidents are very real.
· Stay clear from haunted houses; bad entities could succeed stealing your mind, body and spirit.
· Stay clear from dark alleys and empty streets, chances are you have been followed and you are watched.
· Stay clear from gambling with loud people Vegas or not, your sense of security is very wrong.
· Stay clear from far away bathrooms and be very cautious of long dark corridors including elevators.
· Stay clear from practicing witchcraft with uneducated people.
· Stay clear from signing anything without a witness.
· Stay clear from anything that is dark.
· Stay clear from any and all animals, Pluto will turn them into killers.
· Stay clear from trusting anyone asking for money.
· Stay clear from using your heart it could cost your life.
· Stay clear from the Full Moon light where ever you are.
· Stay clear from ingesting anything you don’t trust
· Stay clear from accepting a stranger’s drink, Pluto is inside.
· Stay clear from wild lonely places.
· Stay clear from trusting anyone during any of my future Plutonic windows.
· Stay clear from fighting with your loved ones.

Do not let your kids out without supervision. During one of my TV show in Tucson I mentioned the death of a kid by drowning trying to save his friend that fell into a canal in Phoenix. Had the mother read my Moon Power Book or read my VIP Cosmic Code newsletter forecast, she would have been aware of Pluto. Like millions of preventable deaths she did not and for the rest of her life she will cry her loss and never be the same mother ever again. Don’t be left behind, knowledge is power ignorance is evil. Join my 8000 VIP list ASAP.  Read Dr. Turi endless Cosmic Code Newsletter – As soon as you become a Cosmic Coder you will be with us for the next 12 months and enjoy more of my educational material. A real spiritual Master is a very rare thing join the world, be warned!

 

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Dr. Turi

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    About Louis Turi

    Dr. Turi is a proficient author and a captivating speaker, his profound Universal Wisdom astonishes everyone. He was recognized in the 2003 Marquis “Who’s Who in America.” Dr. Turi is the personal counselor of many celebrities, Ivana Trump, Peter Fonda, Gary Busey, Denis Haysbert, John Gray and many others. Dr. Turi is a favorite guest of George Noory on Coast-To-Coast AM radio and the BBC in London and appeared in numerous television programs worldwide.He speaks of the cosmic face and celestial tools of the creator and warn the world with undeniable well documented undeniable predictions.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BX3TzPUt08 Clinical Hypnotherapist – Astropsychologist focused on providing individual and couples counseling services. Specializing in public speaking, teaching, metaphysics, natural healing, stress management, women’ issues and family mediation services. Interested in speaking engagements, radio, television, events and media outlets, academic work, advising corporations, the police force, colleges, universities and general public on mental health issues and spirituality outside of conventional beliefs and accepted disciplines.

     
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    • Heart Of Winter

      LOL, mocking the great Neil Tyson.

      Science is universally accepted by those who understand it, and universally rejected by those who don’t. For example, this “Dr.” Turi.

      Just what exactly are you a “doctor” of anyway?

      You can be as afraid of science as you want, but myself and most of the rest of humanity are afraid of another religious dark age.

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        • Heart Of Winter

          I think you meant to say “altar”.

          Even if you’d gotten the word right, you’d still be wrong. Atheism has no sacred texts, objects, places or times, no rituals, no mythical creation stories, central tenants, modes of worship, or supernatural claims, philosophies, or world views, no central organization, or church.

          Atheists also do not have a holy book which calls for slavery, rape, or murder.

          So try again.

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        • Heart Of Winter

          @Chopper

          You say “Much of your science theory which you announce as universally accepted is based on unexplainable faith based supernatural claims.”, yet you didn’t provide one shred of evidence to prove your point. How typical for someone of your intelligence level.

          Scientific knowledge is created by asking questions and testing conjectures/hypotheses against reality, something you’re obviously incapable of doing/understanding so I’m not going to bother trying to explain it.

          I’ve never read the Kabbala, so I’m sure you’d know more about it then me. I’m not Jewish.

          You assert that Atheism has “many” sacred texts, yet once again provide not one shred of evidence to prove your point. No surprise there. And yet you call me the one who’s “stupid and oblivious”? :lol:

          Scientific knowledge is a form of justified belief grounded in empirical evidence and the demonstrable reliability of the scientific method. So try again, junior.

          Or you can just keep making 4th grade-level jokes about men having their “pants down around their ankles”, “gobbling”, getting things “in their hair”, and pooping. Now we all know what your mind is obviously fixated on.

          If you can stop thinking about men with their pants down long enough to type out a coherent response next time, get back to me.
          :lol: :lol: :lol:

        • The Real Deal

          “Much of your science theory which you announce as universally accepted is based on unexplainable faith based supernatural claims. Mythical creation stories? Poor man.”

          Wait, WHAT? Science is based on unexplainable faith based supernatural claim? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!? LOL… That’s not science you’re describing, genius… THAT’S RELIGION!

          Holy Cow…

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        • The Real Deal

          ” ( and you do it on purpose like Pix you punk )”

          Heart of winter has been cordial, and well spoken. You, the Christian, like most of them, once again resorted to name calling. Is this what your Jesus would do? Call people punks? You Christians can’t stop putting your foot in your mouths.

          You want to preach Christianity, and make us all believe what a great religion is, but everything that comes out of a Christians mouth towards non-believers is hate filled dribble.

        • Heart Of Winter

          @Chopper

          Just because you’re incapable of understanding my explanations doesn’t make me “stupid and oblivious”.

          Aww, poor little guy. Is my use of logic and reason angering you? LOL that’s just too bad. Your further use of feeble insults just shows the rest of us the 4th grade level of your mentality, immaturity, lack of education, and that you’re fixated on homosexual acts for some reason. You mention them so often, it must be the majority of what occupies your thoughts. That’s okay, I’m not here to judge you for your sexual preferences.

          As for why the big bang happened, nobody knows. Science can demonstrate that the big band did indeed happen, but not why it happened. That is the question of the ages, of why something exists rather than nothing. Science doesn’t have the answer. Theism certainly doesn’t have the answer.

          However, the fact that the scientific community lacks a complete understanding of the universe doesn’t automatically imply that a god is responsible.

          Lightning, earthquakes, volcanoes, disease, mental illness, planetary orbits, floods, heart attacks and numerous other things have all been labeled as “supernatural” before science was able to explain them.

          In fact, every mystery ever solved has always had a non-supernatural explanation. I expect this mind-bogglingly consistent trend will continue. To suggest that science will never be able to explain a phenomena and only your theism can, is delusion of the highest order. :lol:

          Your claim that science is my religion is yet another fallacy on top of your mountain of fallacies. Science fulfills none of the criteria that define a religion. Science is a JUSTIFIED belief grounded in empirical evidence. Religion is an UNJUSTIFIED belief based on fantasy, superstition, and wishful thinking.

          You said: ” I don’t have much respect for people who are obtuse on purpose.”

          Define “obtuse”. If you don’t respect me, that’s fine. I have no respect for people who are so inarticulate they can’t make a post without a bunch of childish insults. Guess we’re even.

          You also said “…live less like a child…”

          >Implying you know anything what so ever about my life.

          “…simply took the advice I gave you.”

          Based on your level of maturity and intelligence, there’s no advice you could ever give me that I’d ever take.

          Try again, little guy. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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          @Chopper

          I see. Your jimmies have been thoroughly rustled, every point you’ve brought up has been discredited and shot down, so now all you have left are insults. And as always, insults are the last resort of the inarticulate.

          And actually, I am entitled to “flap” my “bird lips”. Just as entitled as you are. :lol: And I’ve never cried foul, I’ve just pointed out every hole in your logic and flaw in your reasoning.

          If you think I’ve been “smarmy”, well, I can’t be held accountable for deficits in your perception.

          On a side note, thanks for proving my assumptions about your level of maturity, intelligence, and education correct.

          You’ve got nothing left. :lol:

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        • Heart Of Winter

          There is nothing in atheism which precludes one from subscribing to any number of spiritualities, including any supernatural element unrelated to a god.

          Of course, I don’t subscribe to any spirituality because not all of us are a cripple in need of a crutch. But if a particular spirituality suits you, have at it.

          And you’re right about Turi.

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        • Heart Of Winter

          Regarding my picture, I chose it because it’s humorous. When opposing a particular culture, in my case the Abrahamic religions, it’s funny to use said culture’s own worst nightmares against them.

          And I’m not “berating” other people’s beliefs. As I said to Omega Files, the bar theists set for perceived hostility appears to be anyone voicing a dissenting opinion, discussing an inclination towards non-belief, or pointing out where others arguments and logic are seriously lacking.

          Your claim that I’m “berating” people for their beliefs is simply a deflection that theists use because they’re unable or unwilling to deal with having their ideas challenged.

        • Heart Of Winter

          I forgot to mention, I’m not sure whether your comment regarding neck hair was some feeble attempt at shaming language or an insult, but it was highly ineffective.

          Insults – the last resort of the inarticulate. Try again, junior.

      • Anonymous

        Omega Files… I don’t think you understand the idea behind atheism. Atheists don’t WANT to believe in a God. We’re not too “stoopid”. (ironic you spelled it wrong) Most atheists understand your beliefs they just choose not too agree. I grew up Catholic and personally have stepped away from the church due to my own beliefs. “Stoopid” is acting like we have no idea what were doing in making those decisions. By telling an Atheist there are god’s we just can’t see them only sinks us deeper into our beliefs.

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          I’m not really familiar with Antony Flew, but the fact that he changed his mind has no bearing on my life what so ever.

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        • max jones

          …doc…Your self congratulating manner turns me off. :cool:

      • truthlovingsoul

        we are in a dark age now.

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          @BEEF SUPREME

          Actually it appears you are the one guilty of lazy thinking. You claim the fact that everything we see is the product of DESIGN yet you provide no evidence to illustrate your point.

          Argument from Design is a non sequitur because the premise has no bearing on the conclusion.

          Complexity doesn’t imply design. Even if you could prove “design” (which you can’t), you still couldn’t prove anything about the nature of the designer. (Aliens? Flying Spaghetti Monster?)

          Current scientific theories have a very clear understanding of how complexity and order arise in physical systems. Look into it. Crystallization is one simple example of how matter is easily able to self organize into complex ordered shapes and structures.

          More examples of your flawed thinking are demonstrated in your 2nd argument where you say: “A deceiver who denies the existence of the Most High for motives entirely disreputable and self-serving…ecause it places DEMANDS and RESTRICTIONS on their animal nature – which nature they would much rather ‘celebrate’ and appease”.

          :lol: :lol: :lol: Wrong again. It is proven that atheism and secularism correlate with the well-being of individuals and societies by almost every possible measure.

          Just look at countries like Norway and Sweden. Atheism correlates with higher levels of literacy, lower poverty rates, higher scientific literacy, higher average income, less violence, lower divorce rates, lower teen pregnancy rates, lower STD infection rates, lower overall crime rates, lower murder rates, and last but not least, higher average intelligence.

          In short, your lack of understanding of the physical world does not automatically imply “GOD DID IT!!!”.

        • CrowPie

          1 Corinthians 10:31-32 “Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, orwhatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:”

        • CrowPie

          OOps….sorry…wrong spot. :oops:

        • CrowPie

          Well It was an accident….and I reposted it after great difficulty below in the correct spot. My apologies.

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      • Heart Of Winter

        @Omega Files

        You said “You are much smarter than the typical atheist…”

        Aw gee, thanks. I would say that you’re much smarter than the typical theist, but that really wouldn’t be saying much.

        “…which is why I find it interesting that you come here, an unlikely destination for those like you looking for the like-minded.”

        Just like many others here, I’m fascinated by alternative news. However, that doesn’t mean that my baloney-detection skills disappear when I read the articles posted. Despite all the fluff, there is interesting content. I’m not necessarily looking for like-minded people here, though they do exist. I’ve already got plenty of that in my day to day life.

        “(You won’t find much atheist support here – you know this.)”

        It matters not to me. The truth is still the truth even if only one person believes it.

        “So then, what is the objective purpose of a staunch atheist finding a paranormal god-based blog? ”

        Nowhere, at no point, does this site identify itself as a “paranormal god-based blog”. Anyone can join. Anyone can contribute. Just because christians have infested the site like roaches doesn’t automatically make it a christian site. It’s likely they flock here because they’re free to spout the nonsense that people don’t want to hear elsewhere.

        “And, please, explain what this line of discussion accomplishes in terms of direct results.”

        Because as a functional, successful member of society, it benefits everyone that I come in contact with that my decision making process is founded on evidence and reason, not on superstition. Faith isn’t a virtue. It’s the glorification of voluntary ignorance.

        “Regardless, in the 14 months or so that I have been here, you rarely have had anything constructive to offer.”

        That’s just your opinion. It’s very likely there are others who would disagree with you. Deal with it.

        “The majority of people here who have familiarized themselves with your obtuse and egotistical presence don’t even pay you the time of day. You prey on the ignorance of the new-comer and your main purpose seems to be to create animosity. You don’t try to help anybody. You simply enjoy spinning the religious folk’s wheels. I get it. A bit vain and egotistical, but I get it.”

        The bar you theists set for perceived hostility appears to be any atheist simply voicing an opinion in dissent of religious belief. Once again, deal with it. This isn’t church, people out here in the real world have a vast array of different opinions.

        Sorry if my insensitivity towards your beliefs offends you. But guess what? The various beliefs of all the Abrahamic religions which have led to wars, jihads, crusades, inquisitions, censoring of free speech, brainwashing of children, forcing girls into underage marriages, female genital mutilation, male genital mutilation, stoning, burning at the stake, pederasty, homophobia, and rejection of science and reason offend me. So I guess we’re even.

        “But, there is no one more foolish than someone who doesn’t (at least) believe in A god or gods. With all that knowledge that you have, I find it hard to believe that you haven’t figured this much out already.”

        Well, assuming that there are gods out there that you DON’T believe exist, think about all the reasons you don’t believe in them. When you understand those reasons, you’ll understand why I don’t believe in any gods.

        Good day, sir.

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          @Omega Files

          “What I take issue with is the way you present your dissenting opinion.”

          With all the fire-breathing, name-calling ignorance that comes from the “true believers” here, and you take issue with the way I present my dissenting opinion? Well, that’s just too bad. :lol:

          Quote all you want from your little witchcraft book, but it has no bearing on me or in reality either.

          “you got nothing to support your scientific faith.”

          Science requires no faith. That’s the best thing about science, is that it’s true whether or not you believe in it. I’ve made no claim that can’t be backed up with evidence. If you think I have, show me.

          “You are in the minority here for a good reason.”

          Doesn’t matter to me. The truth is still the truth even if only one person believes it. A lie is still a lie, even if everyone believes it.

          “The burden is on you to prove science.”

          Science makes no claims which can’t be backed up with evidence. That’s why it’s not called “faith”. If you want me to prove something specific, let me know.

          “All you can do is run around in circles trying to deflect the conversation in to a whining and pouting match over whose more ignorant.”

          The only whining and pouting here comes from everyone who gets frustrated when I shoot their arguments full of holes and show everyone where their reasoning and logic is seriously lacking. People don’t like to be proven wrong. Therefore they should think about what they say before they say it. :lol:

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        • Heart Of Winter

          @Omega Files

          I’ll gladly school you on evolution, astronomy, or both at the same time. It’s up to you, this is all quite elementary for me. :lol:

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        • Heart Of Winter

          @Omega Files:

          Well, it’s good to see that like the other uneducated people here, you’re not above name calling. Typical for someone of your intellectual level. :lol:

          :?: In contempt of what public education would have you believe, evolution is NOT a fact. It is a FAITH.

          :arrow: Evolution is a fact in the sense that it is overwhelmingly validated by the evidence. The fact that you’re unaware of the evidence of evolution is not an argument against it.

          :?: Despite the best efforts of modern science and archeology, there isn’t a single record of fossil evidence to support the theory of evolution throughout the entire animal kingdom. Can you argue against this claim Darkheart?

          :arrow: Yes, it’s very easy to argue against this claim. There is a WEALTH of evidence concerning evolution, especially human evolution. Millions of fossils show the transitions that occurred in brain and body size, locomotion, etc, over the past 6 million years. The fact that you choose to remain unaware of the evidence is not an argument against it.

          :?: So at one point in man’s distant past, there had to be an evolutionary ancestor to the Homo erectus with much smaller features.

          :arrow: Yes. According to fossils the most recent common ancestor of Homindae lived 14 million years ago, which speciated from the Hylobatidae family.

          :?: Evolution posits that the anteater progressively grew a longer snout and the giraffe progressively grew a longer neck. Yet NOWHERE in the fossil record is there any indication of these things actually happening.

          :arrow: :lol: Wrong again. I take it you’ve been listening to Ken Ham too much. Look into the history of Giraffa camelopardalis. You’ll find its ancestor from 15 million years ago, an antelope-like creature who had slightly longer necks. The fossil record shows that over the course of 6 million years, the necks of these animals steadily grew until they evolved into the animals that resemble modern giraffes. Once again, your lack of awareness of science is not an argument against it.

          :?: Acceptance of this lacking evidence is called FAITH.

          :arrow: Except the evidence isn’t lacking, which is why it’s called knowledge.

          :?: In fact, there is no conclusive evidence that any animal that exists today was ever any different.

          :arrow: Wrong again :lol: . Fossil records and analyzation of DNA has shown identical genes between transitional species, and common ancestors in ALL animals. If you need a fairly recent, elementary school-level example, you can start by looking into elephants relation to mammoths and mastodons.

          :?: That explanation of the Homo erectus, the anteater, and the giraffe is dealing with micro-evolution (same species adapt within that species).

          :arrow: There is no “micro-evolution” and “macro-evolution”. It’s an artificial distinction. Since both happen in the same way and for the same reasons, there is only evolution. In fact, micro-evolution and macro-evolution are 2 terms used almost exclusively by creationists in their attempts to debate evolution. :lol:

          :?: into completely different species through some mystical formula of “random mutation” across an infinite time-line despite there being absolutely no evidence to support this. FAITH.

          :arrow: So you’re arguing against mutations? In that case, maybe you can explain the existence of antibiotic resistant bacteria. For example MRSA is a bacteria that has evolved to become resistant to antibiotics through the process of natural selection. Maybe you could also explain why different cold and flu viruses emerge every year. Good luck. :lol:

          :?: And, once again, not a single shred of evidence has yet to turn up in support of this primitive understanding of nature.

          :arrow: And once again, antibiotic resistant bacteria, as well as different types of viruses are evidence of evolution all by themselves. And once again, just because you choose not to see the evidence is not an argument against evolution.

          :?: You mustn’t have to believe in a God or have Creationist views to recognize this for what it is: bad science and lazy thinking.

          :arrow: Actually, the only lazy thinking involved comes from creationists. Science would not hold up under such lazy analyses as those of creationists. Evolution is a fact in the sense that it is overwhelmingly supported and validated by the evidence. If you were actually able to come up with evidence that could disconfirm evolution, scientists would love to hear about it.

          :?: In order to prove the theory of evolution correct, you must have observable evidence

          :arrow: Of which we have mountains of. :lol:

          Since you assert that evolution is not a fact, but only faith, maybe you can enlighten us on where all living creatures came from, with supporting evidence.

          Good luck with that, Omega Male. :lol:

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      • Heart Of Winter

        Beef Supreme wrote:

        “What is it with you arrogant and lazy thinkers? Why have you convinced yourselves that each and every one of your opponents in this world OWES you something? Do I owe you evidence? Why do I owe it to you?”

        There’s no arrogance or lazy thinking involved. You’ve made claims that you can’t back up with evidence, because the evidence doesn’t exist. Requiring evidence is central to critical thinking, so it’s no surprise you can’t grasp that.

        “I would ASK you to explain this nonsensical statement for the edification both of myself and of your other readers. I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.”

        Alright, I’ll try my best to put it in terms simple enough even for you to understand. Using a non sequitur, meaning your premise has no bearing on the conclusion is like saying for example, “my foot hurts because my house is painted white”, or “a dog just walked down the street, therefore I need to go to the grocery store”. Therefore your argument that you choose to see “design” in the world, and so it must have a “designer” is a non sequitur, because there’s a disconnect between your premise and conclusion. Design cannot be proven, and the existence of a designer cannot be proven. IF you can prove either (you can’t), congratulations, go collect your Nobel prize. :lol:

        Then beefy boy writes: “Of course we can prove design.”

        No. You can’t. :smile:

        “Yup. And mud dries and becomes dirt. Whoa, did I just prove Evolution?”

        Another non sequitur. Thanks for showing us all you have no understanding of how complexity arises in physical systems.

        “Well now… that IS an interesting claim!!! And who is it that has drawn these conclusions related to ‘every possible measure’? Where are they? What are their credentials? What are their philosophies? What if I wish to cross-examine them? Do they even exist? Speaking of lazy thinking, Jack… this is the kind of ejecta you should be too embarrassed to post. “THEY SAID SO”, so it must be true. Embarrassing.”

        The only one here should be embarrassed here is you because of your lack of ability to comprehend. The objective data is already in on this one, so it’s really not up for debate. Countries with a majority atheist population, by every objective demonstrable measure enjoy lower poverty rates, higher literacy rates, higher scientific literacy rates, higher average income, less violence, lower divorce rates, lower teen pregnancy rates, lower STD infection rates, lower overall crime rates, higher average intelligence, and lower homicide rates.

        “Did you, or did you not, begin your above answer to me with a charge of my failing to produce evidence? Yet here you string together a menu of meaningless factoids backed only by the paper it’s not printed on. Why are you so amused by yourself? Why aren’t you bound by the same set of demands you wish to impose on each of your challengers?”

        Everything I’ve stated can be backed up with evidence and I can point you to any of it if you wish. For all of your claims, you can’t show the evidence because it doesn’t exist. :lol:

        “Because you’re presumptuous. Because you imagine yourself to be something special. Because you worship yourself.”

        I hope the irony of you accusing me of being presumptuous, and then presuming a bunch of incorrect things about me, is not lost on you. :lol:

        “I have seen you challenged by erudite and literate believers in the past.”

        I find your claim that “erudite” believers exist, dubious at best.

        “I have seen you wither and retreat.”

        You’ve seen me “wither and retreat” from nobody. They may choose to continue jawing on, spouting the same bible verses and baseless claims long after they’ve lost the argument and I’ve moved on to a different thread, but once they’ve been proven thoroughly wrong, I really don’t have a reason to hang around. :lol:

        “Let’s see whether you can muster the temerity to answer any of the above objections or questions.”

        Yes, because it was SOOO difficult to refute your baseless claims and put things in terms simple enough for you to understand.

        That’s what I say, “Jack”. :lol:

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          *yawn* You’ve already been defeated though beefy boy. :lol:

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          For ease of reading, your statements will be marked with a :?: and my answers will be marked with a :arrow:

          :?: No, Darkheart. I grasp it perfectly well. But I enter my objection to the fact that you and your kind believe yourselves to be immune to that self-same tenet. You demand evidence, yet you offer none.

          :arrow: Lol Darkheart. Okay Beef Supreme. :lol:
          Apparently you don’t grasp it “perfectly well”. I can offer any amount of evidence for anything I’ve stated. If you have something specific you want to know about, mention it.

          :?: You’re comfortable doing this because you’ve convinced yourself you argue from a position of superior insight and understanding.

          :arrow: Well yes, I’ve already proved that well beyond a shadow of a doubt.

          :?: Did you think I was confused about the meaning of the term ‘non-sequitur’? Of course you didn’t. You’re patronizing me. So be it.

          :arrow: You asked for it by saying it made no sense to you.

          :?: Did I CHOOSE to see design? Or did I simply behold the designed substance through the designed eyes, set in my designed skull, housing my designed brain. Which is the absurd conclusion about the living machines each of us drive? That the machines coalesced over time because it was warm enough and because there was enough salt in the waters? Or that they were crafted on purpose, FOR a purpose. Don’t be absurd.

          :arrow: Yes, you’re choosing to see design because no evidence for design, or a designer exists. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, so the burden of proof falls on you. There’s no need to prove intelligent design didn’t happen, because there’s already no evidence for it happening to be found anywhere. Once again, your lack of understanding of how complexity arises in physical systems does not immediately imply intelligent design. Deal with it. :lol:

          :?: Did I CHOOSE to see design? Or did I simply behold the designed substance through the designed eyes, set in my designed skull, housing my designed brain. Which is the absurd conclusion about the living machines each of us drive? That the machines coalesced over time because it was warm enough and because there was enough salt in the waters? Or that they were crafted on purpose, FOR a purpose. Don’t be absurd.

          :arrow: Spoken just like I would expect from someone who has no understanding of the physical universe. If you want to educate yourself on the matter, you can start by researching stellar formation, galaxy formation, stellar nucleosynthesis, solar system formation, abiogenesis, and cosmic inflation, for starters. But based on your reasoning and arguments, it would probably all be way over your head. :lol:

          :?: Notice too how you’ve leapt upon the improper usage of the word ‘disconnect.’ That NEWSPEAK crap is designed specifically for non-thinkers. You are more than willing to become complicit in distorting the rules of your own language just because you noticed people you idolize doing the same thing first.

          :arrow: Hmm, nope. My usage of the word was correct, and there was no “newspeak” involved, because newspeak is a fictional language from the book “1984″. As I’ve said before, your lack of ability to comprehend is not my problem, it’s yours. :lol:

          :?: I offer you proof: Go to a Moon phase website and observe the charts. Check them for accuracy on your own; vet them. Now notice how the phases of the Moon synch up with the Moon’s ‘orbit’ around the Earth in spans of 49 years. Tell me the odds of that happening by chance. Never mind… there aren’t any such odds.

          :arrow: This wasn’t always true because the moon was much closer in antiquity, as evidenced by the fact that it continues to recede further away from the Earth at a measurable rate, so it won’t be true far in the future either. Therefore, your argument is completely senseless.

          :?: If that doesn’t do it for you, then you might involve yourself with a study of aviation engineering. Or have a frank conversation with an aerospace engineer and ask how many DESIGN elements have been incorporated from NATURAL DESIGN into the designs of aircraft and re-entry spacecraft.

          :arrow: The notion that engineers have used designs inspired by the natural world is not proof of intelligent design. Try again, little guy. :lol:

          :?: And then, perhaps if you’re not too tired, you could involve yourself with a study of the PROPORTION of human anatomy. Cross-reference that with the Golden Ratio to make your search a little more direct.

          :arrow: Again, this is not evidence of intelligent design just because you believe it to be so. Things like Phi and the Fibonacci series are just mathematically related numbers. The “Golden Ratio” (Phi) is a natural outcome of the roots of a simple quadratic equation. There’s nothing mysterious about them, they’re no more or less mysterious than Pi, the ratio of the circumference of any circle to its diameter. You haven’t studied much about mathematics, have you? It’s ok, you don’t need to answer that. I already know. :lol:

          :?: You keep asking for proof of design like a computer asking for proof of a code-writer.

          :arrow: Another non sequitur, because we can actually prove that code writers exist, and computer code is not physical matter that is capable of self-organization. :lol:

          :?: The existence of a designer is proven by virtue of the existence of the design. Pottery exists. Therefore, The Potter exists also.

          :arrow: Yet another non sequitur relating to intelligent design, because pottery is not capable of spontaneous self-organization. :lol:

          :?: The Prize I hope to collect is not issued by politically and morally bankrupt human agencies.

          :arrow: Whatever floats your boat. :lol:

          :?: I believe it was you who once argued that the formation of crystals is akin to a map for how life could have spontaneously erupted.

          :arrow: No. I never argued that it was akin to a map for how life spontaneously erupted, I simply gave it as the most simple example I could think of, of how matter is capable of self-organizing into complex, ordered, structures. Once again, your lack of ability to comprehend is your problem. :lol:

          :?: (I may have confounded my ‘atheists’ in this case.)

          :arrow: The only thing that’s confounding this atheist is your lack of ability to understand scientific principles, critical thinking, logic, evidence, and reason. :lol:

          :?: You’re apparently titillated by crystal formation. Why? Did the conditions required for crystal formation arise of their own accord?

          :arrow: All of the evidence we have currently says that is the case. We have no evidence what so ever to show that Jehovah, Yahweh, Zeus, Thor, Glycon, Ba’al, Vishnu, Ganesh, Shiva, Dionysius, or any other imaginary characters or supernatural forces are responsible for the conditions necessary for crystal formation. If you wish to educate yourself further on the matter, you can start by looking up nucleation, convection, and chemical oscillators, but once again it will probably be way over your head. :lol:

          :?: Where are we now? Right back at the BEGINNIG, where the ‘scientists’ and the ‘atheists’ meet the reflection of their own lies.

          :arrow: Wrong again. I can’t state it enough, but your lack of understanding of the physical world is not automatically evidence for intelligent design. :lol:

          :?: The moment prior to the ‘Big Bang.’ Another example of lazy thinking, brought to you by the camp of lazy thinkers. Well-played, Jack.

          :arrow: Science doesn’t know what preceded the Big Bang, and that’s the most honest position one can take, because you don’t know either. You’re once again using a “god of the gaps” approach, that is, using a “god” to fill in unexplained gaps in your knowledge, and that’s the laziest thinking possible, Jack. :lol:

          :?: The DEBATE is NEVER over, Jack. Nothing is over because you vainglorious self-worshippers say it’s over.

          :arrow: In regards to creationism and intelligent design, the debate is most certainly over. Just like all creationists you see what you want to see because your entire worldview is threatened by evidence to the contrary, and you’re highly unmotivated to see it. Scientists on the other hand, welcome disconfirming evidence, when you’re able to actually present it. :lol:

          :?: Nope. You’re still full of it. Look no further than the USA from the 1950s through the 1990s. Your menu is for the dogs.

          :arrow: What are you referring to here? The USA wouldn’t have been one of the countries I was referring to, because the USA has never had a majority atheist population.

          :?: Brought to you by a hooplehead who makes rules for everyone else around him, but refuses to abide by those same rules because he’s a hypocrite. And a lazy thinker.

          :arrow: More ad-hominems, brought to you from the laziest thinker of all because he’s frustrated that he’s being shown he doesn’t know nearly as much as he thinks he does. :lol:

          :?: Pay attention to the topic and stop belly-aching.

          :arrow: The only belly-aching being done here is by you, with your name calling. I take that it stung you a bit that you called me presumptuous, then in the next breath you began presuming. Too bad. :lol:

          :?: If you can get back on track and stop whining like a child, this conversation might be worth continuing. If it continues, then it should be focused onto specific areas of contention which we could then analyze and argue.

          :arrow: I’ve done no whining or name calling, that’s all been you. I know it’s frustrating to try and debate someone so much more knowledgeable than you in such a wide variety of topics, but the name calling and whining really doesn’t help your arguments any. If anything, it softens them, because insults are the last resort of the inarticulate (as you prove time and time again). :lol:

          :?: I am willing to do this with you now, for as long as it takes, until there is mutual satisfaction or until there is defeat. I am not willing to hear any more of your complaining.

          :arrow: So am I, because it’s very easy for me. I’ve done no complaining, you’re the one doing all of the shouting and name calling, so stop projecting that on to me please. :lol:

          :?: I suggest we begin by comparing celestial characteristics, like those mentioned above, with similar characteristics found both in nature and in Scripture. If the design reflects aspects of the designer, as I maintain that it does, then if there is a better place to begin an examination, I would love to hear what it might be.

          :arrow: We can begin wherever you like, and it will be easy for me because the scriptures are historically inaccurate, factually incorrect, inconsistent with itself, poorly translated, heavily altered, selectively interpreted, and contradictory. Do you really want me to school you on YOUR bible as well?

          Oh beef supreme, you make it so easy. But I didn’t expect much more from someone who took their name from a character in “Idiocracy”. I hope you can see how ironic that is. :lol:

        • Heart Of Winter

          @Chopper

          :?: There’s a display of real “heart” for everyone to see. :roll:

          :arrow: While it’s true that I’ve defeated him on every point he’s brought up, it was going to take me a bit longer to type a point-by-point response to his latest drivel.

          :?: ( Chopper now files Heart of Winter into the junk drawer with Pix and the spent lighters )

          :arrow: Your opinion of me means about as much to me as the bugs in my basement being mad at me for playing my music too loud. :lol:

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          @Chopper

          “This would be a core trait of your clearly damaged personality type.”

          So now chopper can diagnose personality disorders, on top of his vast, vast body of knowledge on all other topics that he’s demonstrated. :lol:

          “While far from impressed, I’m truly enjoying watching you dance around in a busy phone booth while “trying” to make yourself look smart”

          I guess if you perceive that I’ve been “trying to make myself look smart”, then I must look smart to you, since I’ve actually done nothing of the sort. If handily defeating all of you in debate with the knowledge I have makes me look smart to you, so be it. :lol:

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        • Heart Of Winter

          @Chopper

          “Your friend and supporter Real Deal said I was smart and congratulated me on the smack down I gave you”

          Actually what he did was congratulate you on being able to type a response without resorting to name-calling, which as we cans see now, was just a fluke. :lol:

          “and a world renowned Doctor said I was a genius not 24 hours ago in this very article.”

          Your “world renowned” doctor is neither world renowned, nor a doctor. Try again little guy. :lol:

          “I said you where “trying” to look smart. It looks more like you are on the pipe and typing up a storm while freebasing.”

          I’ve never done any illegal drugs, so I’ll have to defer to your expertise on that matter. You would definitely know more about them than I would, obviously. :lol:

          “Yes it’s that obvious punk.”

          Sure thing, keyboard tough guy. :lol:

          “I’ll remind you of one salient FACT before I get out of the way on this thread….
          I used one of the revered dogmatic scientific Holy Books ( you claim do not exist ) from the canonized scientific saint known as Freud to measure you up.”

          There are no scientific holy books, and there are no saints in science, but as usual, you’ve proven yourself to be “fact proof” so it’s no surprise that you can’t grasp this. Additionally, nearly everything Freud spouted has been discredited and proven wrong. No academic institution in any discipline uses Freud as a credible source. But since you’re not an academic or ever been part of academia, it’s no surprise that you didn’t know this either. :lol:

          “Still left wanting.”

          Yes , you’re without a doubt still left wanting. Wanting something higher than a room temperature IQ for one thing. :lol:

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        • Heart Of Winter

          @Man from Idiocracy:

          :?: The first portion of your reply is a waste of everyone’s time. ‘I know you are, but what am I’ responses are something you’re good at, but you can annoy folks elsewhere with that noise.

          :arrow: “Translation: I’ve got no rebuttal, so I’m going to pout.” Got it. :lol:

          :?: I can start by researching stellar formation? Really? If you, or any other fella on this ‘planet’ has even the FAINTEST idea, not only of how a star is born, but what a star even IS, I would be much obliged if you would introduce me to that person.

          :arrow: Translation: “I have no idea what I’m talking about, and I refuse to do my homework or learn anything.” Got it. :lol:

          :?: Honest astrophysicists will always admit that theirs is but THEORY for how certain celestial objects or formations MAY have come to be.

          :arrow: So like most creationists, you’re letting us know that you have no idea what a scientific theory is. Much to your chagrin, a scientific theory is not a hypotheses. A theory is a well-substantiated explanation of an aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeated testing and confirmation, through observation and experimentation. As with all creationists, you’re mistaking the term theory for “hypothesis” and “conjecture”. :lol:

          :?: Cosmic inflation is, likewise, another EXCUSE.

          :arrow: And I’m sure you have some evidence to support this claim, right? Cosmic Inflation is clearly observable and testable through red-shift observations. If you have some evidence to the contrary, we’d all love to see it. :lol:

          :?: None of your priests can even account for how it is a ‘galaxy’ rotates in the ‘unified’ way they are purported to rotate.

          :arrow: Is there anything that you can speak on which you actually know what you’re talking about? :lol: Science has a very clear understanding of why galaxies rotate. The answer to this lies in a process called tidal shearing, which consists in a misalignment between the tidal forces (the second derivatives of the gravitational field) and the moment of inertia of the protogalaxy. Since you’ve proven yourself ignorant on all matters of science, you could start by reading about Scalar Newtonian Potential, tidal shearing, and then go from there.

          From a science standpoint, what you just claimed is just as stupid as when Bill O’Reilly said “Tide goes in, tide goes out, you can’t explain that.” :lol:

          :?: You are uneducated in theoretical physics. You are uneducated in astrophysics. You are uneducated, period.

          :arrow: If I’m “uneducated” then I shudder to think what it is that you are. :lol:

          :?: I think we’re about finished here. I have neither the time nor the inclination to argue with an incompetent who has mistaken himself for a genius. Few characters in this world grate on my senses more.

          :arrow: Translation: You’ve got no argument. :lol:

          :?: You’re talking about a THEORY of inches. Brought to you by the same clowns who tell us the Earth is WARMING. But here is something easy for me to call you out on. You said you would be happy to produce evidence when it’s asked for? I ask for evidence. Show me how the Moon was “MUCH closer in antiquity.”

          :arrow: Uh-oh, you’re once again dishonestly using the word “theory”. If you want proof the moon is receding away from the Earth at a steady, measurable rate, you need look no further than the Lunar Laser Ranging experiment. Through measurement, we can determine that the rate of recession is about 3.8cm per year. Unless you’re one of those kooks who believes we never went to the moon to place a laser reflector (which, given everything else you’ve spewed, wouldn’t surprise me at this point). :lol:

          :?: Only one of us finds this amusing. You are a walking example of catastrophic failure to think.

          :arrow: Says the creationist. Oh the irony. :lol:

          :?: As stated by me above, when you’re willingly thick-headed, and willingly blinded by the trees, and therefore willingly ignorant of the forest, then you won’t see the created utility in proportion which has been ENGINEERED into the framework of human physical structure. What I say here, I say for the benefit of those reading this exchange. We look at proportion and find its utility on the very large and the very small scales in nature and in the cosmos.

          :arrow: So then you’ve just admitted that evolution by natural selection, (in this case by more successful, adaptable proportions) is true. Thanks, I’ll take the point. :lol:

          :?: Brought to you by Jack – who thinks stalactites and stalagmites are the same thing as living organisms.

          :arrow: No, that was yet another one of your misconceptions. I used crystallization as an example of how matter is capable of self-organization into complex ordered structures.

          Even your citation of stalactites and stalagmites is a misconception. Stalactites and stalagmites do not form via crystallization, but it’s not surprising that you didn’t know this, as you’ve shown you know very little. :lol:

          :?: What kind of crystals to you get in a zero-g ‘vacuum’, Jack?

          :arrow: Are you implying that crystals can’t grow in microgravity, or a vacuum? Because experimentation has shown that crystals can grow in both “zero-g” and in a vacuum from experiments conducted on Skylab, the ISS, and NASA’s KC-135A plane. But you’ve proven yourself so ill-informed, it’s no surprise you weren’t aware of this… Jack. :lol:

          :?: Are you thick, or what. My POINT was that pottery is not capable of self-organization. Conversing with you is about as much fun as raking my face across an asphalt parking lot.

          Of course pottery isn’t capable of self-organization, which means you missed the point entirely. Crystallization is an observable process of self-organization. Citing pottery as an example is another non sequitur, because it doesn’t self-organize. Try again, Jack. :lol:

          :?: I also think we’re about finished here.

          :arrow: I would agree with you there, as you’ve proven yourself ignorant on all matters scientific and mathematical. You can provide no evidence to support any of your claims, only conjecture and wishful thinking. You’ve also shown yourself to be fact-proof, in that no amount of evidence, logic, or reason showing that you’re wrong, will convince you that you’re wrong.

          Once you achieve this status, you have lost the ability to be objective and your position is rendered irrelevant. Good job, “Jack”. :lol:

          :?: Matter is capable of no such thing. Do you imagine DNA to be capable of self-organization? Of course you do.

          :arrow: Of course matter is capable of self-organization. I take it that you never looked into the very observable process of crystallization? (of course you didn’t :lol: ) And yes, you’re right that DNA is capable of self-organization, because we have evidence and observation of it occurring. If you wish to free yourself of your ignorance on the matter, you can start by looking at Duke University and Oxford University’s experiments, as well as thermal equilibrium and classical Thermodynamics. It would be way too involved to go into here, but once you actually know what you’re talking about, then maybe you’ll be capable of debating the topic. :lol:

          :?: What about the self-driving car? Do you attribute its capacity for navigation to an innate ability?

          :arrow: Not at all, because we have empirical observation and evidence (there’s that darn term again, “evidence”) that self-driving cars do not self-organize, but they have creators who build and program them. Another non sequitur. :lol:

          :?: There’s nothing honest about it. Science calls for FAITH and then balks when TRULY honest folks speak of the same thing. That’s hypocrisy. That’s not honesty; it’s dishonesty.

          :arrow: Wrong again, my low-intelligence friend. No one knows what preceded the Big Bang, and anyone who claims to know can’t show evidence for their position. There’s no “faith” involved in admitting that we don’t have a thorough explanation of an aspect of the natural universe, don’t know where you came up with that. :lol:

          :?: I deny the ‘Big Bang’ ever occurred. I am therefore immune from the NEED to speculate on the point. I don’t have to know about something that didn’t happen.

          :arrow: You can deny it all you want, but you can’t show any evidence to prove your point because you don’t have any evidence. Which is why your conjectures aren’t accepted as science and no one takes you seriously. :lol:

          :?: Let’s move things along – I tire of this slog…

          :arrow: Getting frustrated again? It’s understandable. :lol:

          :?: You are a POWERFULLY effective example of an incompetent thinker, aren’t you? Did I, or did I not, submit the USA into evidence as an example militating AGAINST your nonsense claim?

          :arrow: Well, if you’re asserting that the USA from the 50s to the 90s was just as good by every measure of society as majority atheist countries, you’d be wrong again. Statistics show that the overall crime rate and murder rate was at it’s absolute highest in the 60s, 70s, and 80s in the US. Read about it here, and educate yourself on the matter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States :lol:

          :?: Evidence, Jack. Produce your evidence that the Scriptures are in ANY wise(sic) contradictory. THAT is something worth discussing with you, and something which may not utterly bore and torture our brothers and sisters trying to follow our discourse.

          :arrow: Just a small sampling of many, many examples:

          :!: God is satisfied with his works
          Gen 1:31
          God is dissatisfied with his works.
          Gen 6:6

          :!: God dwells in chosen temples
          2 Chron 7:12,16
          God dwells not in temples
          Acts 7:48

          :!: God is seen and heard
          Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/Ex 24:9-11
          God is invisible and cannot be heard
          John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16

          :!: God is tired and rests
          Ex 31:17
          God is never tired and never rests
          Is 40:28

          :!: God knows the hearts of men
          Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
          God tries men to find out what is in their heart
          Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12

          :!: God is unchangeable
          James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
          God is changeable
          Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/Ex 33:1,3,17,14

          :!: God is the author of evil
          Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
          God is not the author of evil
          1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13

          :!: There is but one God
          Deut 6:4
          There is a plurality of gods
          Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7

          :!: Robbery commanded
          Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
          Robbery forbidden
          Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15

          :!: Lying approved and sanctioned
          Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22
          Lying forbidden
          Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8

          I could go on and on all day, but that should be plenty to get you started. :lol:

          Check Mate, indeed. :lol:

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        • Heart Of Winter

          @Man from Idiocracy :lol:

          :?: We’ll keep this as pithy as possible. I know you prefer the prolix…

          :arrow: Awww, am I using to many big words for you? I’ll try and keep it as simple as possible then, for your sake. :lol:

          :?: but you’ve been taken to task for circular stupidity too many times to count.

          :arrow: Wrong again. It’s you who has been taken to task repeatedly, by me, for your lack of ability to provide any countering evidence to bolster your claims against the scientific facts that you don’t believe in. Talk about circular stupidity. :lol:

          :?: …so we’ll fast forward to the only worthy bits. You wrote:

          :arrow: So then you’re only going to address the points which haven’t completely shut you down? Got it. :lol:

          :?: Electric Universe theory is raising hell amongst the more main-stream ‘expansionists’, isn’t it.

          :arrow: Wrong again. Electric Universe theory is easily dismissed as pseudo-science because like creationism, it completely falls apart under scrutiny. :lol:

          :?: Relativity fits perfectly well with Quantum Theory, doesn’t it. String theory tenable? No? Have no fear!!! M Theory to the rescue.

          :arrow: Actually M theory is the theory that unifies all consistent versions of the super string theory. If you can show some of YOUR scientific evidence to counter the evidence of super string theory and the Multiverse, we’d all love to see it. But then, we already know how well asking you to produce proof goes, don’t we? :lol:

          :?: Baseless charge. Show me where I’ve ever done that in my conversation with you. Nevermind. Save it.

          :arrow: Numerous statements from you, above, have shown that you’re unable to distinguish between a conjecture, hypothesis, and a theory. You’ve proven yourself to be a “lay person” in regard to science.

          On a side note, maybe you could tell us what your scientific theory is on creationism. If you want to be taken seriously, that is. Be specific. Show your math. Make sure it fits in with known facts. Most importantly, make sure that your theory is falsifiable. That is, come up with an experiment that could, in principle, show that your theory is wrong.

          (Hint: There is no theory of creationism, not in the scientific sense.) :lol:

          :?: Red-shift observations have NOTHING to do with ‘inflation.’

          :arrow: Even more proof that you don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re making this so easy beefy boy. Redshift is direct observational evidence that the universe is expanding. Because the universe is expanding, the light traveling through it becomes stretched, transforming visible light into the infrared wavelength. It’s much like the doppler effect’s relation to sound.

          But if you can produce evidence that counters the evidence the universe is expanding, once again, we’d all love to see it. :lol:

          :?: Red-shift observations are used in an attempt to authenticate Big Bang Theory.

          :arrow: Yes and it’s just one of many pieces of evidence that support the Big Bang Theory. If you can come up with some scientific evidence which refutes the Big Bang Theory, we’d all love to see it. :lol:

          :?: Red-shift cannot be a phenomenon associated with that theory because BLUE-shifted bodies would negate the premise.

          :arrow: Actually no, once again you’re showing you know nothing about the subject. The only blue shifted bodies are the ones in our local group. Objects and galaxies in our local group are close enough to be gravitationally bound, such that the gravitational acceleration is greater than the speed of the universe expanding. (about 70 km/s/Mpc)

          But if you can show us your scientific evidence which refutes Hubble’s Constant, we’d all love to see it. :lol:

          :?: Your explanation for galactic rotation hails from the same quarter as inflation.

          :arrow: By all means, show us your scientific evidence which refutes it. :lol:

          :?: BOTH of these premises arise from a need to explain visible phenomena.

          :arrow: Wrong again. :lol: Both of these premises arise from observable evidence based on the known laws of physics. I take it you have a better way to explain these phenomena? Show us the evidence. :lol:

          :?: BOTH of the theories are BEST GUESS, based solely on available observable data.

          :arrow: It seems as if you’re experiencing some cognitive dissonance regarding “best guess” and “available observable data”. Have I worked you that much into a tizzy? :lol:

          :?: The same holds true for DARK MATTER. Dark matter is the result of necessity – your priests couldn’t make their lies work without it, so they concocted it. It doesn’t actually exist. This is no different from sweeping evidence under a rug.

          :arrow: So then you’re disputing the directly observable evidence for dark matter collected from the Chandra X-ray observatory? Very well, lets see your evidence. Be specific. Show us your math. Then we’ll compare it to already known facts and constants and see how it fits. :lol:

          :?: How many dimensions did String Theory need in order to function at all? Last I counted was 14. No 15. Make that 16. Another problem? No

          :arrow: So then I take it you have a better unifying theory of the universe or can disprove String Theory? Very well, let’s see your evidence. :lol:

          :?: And the TIDES are rising at a steady, measurable rate. I know. I’ve ‘seen’ the evidence. Next.

          :arrow: Alright. Thanks, I’ll take the point for that one too. (but my win column is already pretty full) :lol:

          :?: You’re a fraud.

          :arrow: I’m afraid not. I’ve been able to back up every one of my claims with evidence. The only one here who hasn’t produce a shred of evidence for any of his assertions is you. I guess that would make you *gasp* …the fraud! :lol:

          And I take your out-of-hand dismissal of my point on evolution as an admission of defeat. Thanks I’ll take that point too. :lol:

          :?: By way of supposed contradictions in Scripture, you went to some website or other and handed me a brief list.

          :arrow: Yes, a website which I help compile and maintain. :lol:

          :?: I actually expected a longer list from you, so I’ll thank you for not wasting even more of my time than you already have.

          :arrow: Oh there’s plenty more where that came from, beef jerky. :lol:

          :?: “God is dissatisfied with his works. Gen 6:6”

          SIN entered into the world and the nature of man became corrupted. This grieved the Almighty and DIS-satisfied Him. At first the work was good.

          :arrow: So then your omnipotent “god” who knows all of the past, present, and future, wasn’t able to see this beforehand? Interesting. :lol:

          :?: (Didn’t you say you actually read this Book? I’m really beginning to doubt your honesty…

          :arrow: Yes I have read your little “book”. It’s one of the many deciding factors which lead me to atheism.

          :?: That makes me like you even less.

          :arrow: You mean a creationist blowhard who can’t come up with a logical argument or any evidence to back up his claims doesn’t like me?!?! I’m crushed! :lol:

          :?: Where is the REMAINDER of this verse from Acts which you have conveniently eliminated? That is deception. That is LYING by omission. Where is there even an APPARENT contradiction contained in the verses you just quoted?

          :arrow: So then you’re admitting that you’re not nearly as well-versed in your myth book as you pretended to be? Shocking. I warned you that you didn’t want me to school you on YOUR bible. :lol:

          :?: Get out your Hebrew Lexicon, Lazyheart, and turn to the A’s. [All references and definitions below are from ‘E-Sword’ or from ‘James Strong’s Concordance.’]

          “…and I will take away My Hand, and thou shalt see אחור (‘âchôr) [MY TIME TO COME] but My Face shall not be seen.”

          Did Moses see God? Hardly.

          :?: FACE = פּנים (pânı̂ym) Plural (but always used as a singular) of an unused noun (פּנה pâneh, paw-neh’; from 6437); the face (as the part that turns); used in a great variety of applications… [Pay attention now, Jack] (literally and FIGURATIVELY)…

          Nope. Moses didn’t see Him.

          :?: Where God was ‘walking’ in the Garden just as He ‘walked’ among the camp of the Hebrews in the wilderness. Did the Hebrews see Him? All they ever saw was a pillar of cloud.

          :?: “In the year that king Uzziah died I SAW also the Lord sitting upon a throne…”

          Hebrew anyone?:

          Saw = ראה (râ’âh) A primitive root; to see, literally or (what, Lazyheart?) FIGURATIVELY (in numerous applications, direct and implied, transitively, intransitively and causatively)

          :?: RESTED = שׁבת (shâbath) A primitive root; to repose, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, FIGURATIVELY or specifically): – (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

          :?: If you want to know anything about Scripture, Lazyheart, you have to explore the texts in their original languages

          :arrow: So then these are all your admissions that the bible IS in fact, poorly translated and selectively interpreted (based on your alternative translations and YOUR selective interpretations)? Thanks so much for once again illustrating my point for me. :lol:

          You know beefy, as amusing as this all is for me, I think we’re just about done here seeing as this debate has no moderator.

          You’ve provided absolutely no evidence to refute any of my claims (shouting “I DON’T BELIEVE THAT!” is not scientific evidence).

          You’ve provided absolutely no evidence which bolsters any of your own claims.

          You’ve proven yourself thoroughly UN-knowledgable and unaware on every subject we’ve touched on.

          You’ve shown over and over again you have absolutely no grasp of the scientific theories which you claim are false.

          You’ve shown repeatedly that you have no idea what you’re talking about.

          Here’s some free advice though. Find out what science is all about before you start criticizing it. By this, I don’t mean regurgitating something your preacher told you. Read one of the many fine popular science books on the subject, written by actual scientists who can show evidence, observation, experimentation, and mathematics to back up their assertions.

          Because, chances are, your preacher doesn’t know jack squat, and neither do you. Find out what you’re talking about before you continue to make a fool of yourself in the future.

          By supporting creationism, you’re making a pretty big claim. Namely that all the best scientific minds and evidence of the last 5 centuries are completely wrong. You’d better back that up with some pretty impressive evidence.

          If you have a problem with math, tough. Math is the language of science, so if you want to be taken seriously, you’ll have to master at least basic arithmetic.

          In short, if you want your outrageous claims to be taken seriously, come up with some hard evidence to back it up. Don’t tell me why all of science is wrong tell me why your superstitious nonsense is right. :lol:

          Don’t tell me science is a religion, tell me why creationism isn’t ignorant, superstitious nonsense. Give me some tangible evidence. Give me something I can’t deny. Give me something I can’t shoot down with such ease (good luck with that though, most of us have already heard every anti-science argument in existence). :lol:

          I am a gracious winner though, so I’ll go ahead and give you the last word. :lol:

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          FYI readers: I was handed out a 24 hour suspension for pointing out what is happening Right Now in this thread. Look at my words just above and tell me what of Term of Service was broken?

          Surely not pointing out the “Pig Dance” that IS STILL HAPPENING.

          Pig Dance = A mentally and spiritually deranged animal with (now) 30+ personal accounts methodically and compulsively voting up and down comments based on his own prejudices.

          ( dance Piggy.. Dance… Oink Oink. You hardly look like a crazy person )

    • Hi NSA, kiss my artichoke

      Two points.
      You could have saved a lot of typing and reading, simply by the title, Neil Degrasse Tyson cuts into Dr. Turi’s market share!
      Also, the pope is Not the only Christian representative.
      He is Catholic, Not Christian.
      Big difference.

      • Big dog.../small fish...

        You’re right he’s CATHOLIC.

        • CrowPie

          I was trying to post this:

          1 Corinthians 10:31-32 “Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, orwhatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:”

          Under NSA…but I’m being censored. :lol:

    • The Watcher

      Good! Since he is the last one, NO MORE POPES!

      • max jones

        …Doctor….anybody with an ounce of discernment can write down prognostications, and hit as many as you do…..Keep the predictions vague enough, and any intelligent person can. for instance:
        ….I know that, at least 17.000 people will get up to go to the bath room, and take a leak within the next ten minutes in NYC. We don’t have to KNOW anything there….. There’s 10 million people in New York city…..17, 000 is probably a low estimate…..see how easy that is. :cool:

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        • max jones

          …doc….I can’t tell what you are up to, but, as far as I can see, you defend your self too much….If your prognostications are legit……You would not bother beating your own chest. :cool:

      • max jones

        ….watcher….I read where the pope and several muckety mucks, including “the Queen”, have been convicted of drinking blood of sacrificed infants. What have you? :cool:

    • Pink Slime

      You said you don’t predict anything but proudly proclaimed something big would happen at certain dates and with the Charlie massacre you claimed you predicted it?

    • Pink Slime

      Everybody lives off of Judeo-Christian values.

      From atheist to communist. We SUPPORT them all.

      Without us they could not have a god they don’t believe in and support their carnal views. On a practical level we feed them and give economic assistance otherwise they would all STARVE.

      If we stop being so kind lemme tell you these people would not talk so arrogantly and big.

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      • Heart Of Winter

        Well like they say, ignorance loves company. :grin:

        • Heart Of Winter

          “Ignorance loves company” – Fred Clark (he is the “they” in this instance, so as not to keep on confusing you)

          Proven wrong again. Geez chopper, you’re 0 for 0. Keep it up. :lol:

          As for your little bit of poetry, don’t quit your day job. :lol:

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      • The Real Deal

        Did this guy just call Chopper a genius?

        Heart of Winter just countered every single claim made by not only Chopper, but …max jones, POINT BY POINT… And Chopper is the genius? No love for heart of Winter for his very intelligently written rebuttals? WOW!!!

        And you have a doctorate? LOL, go get your money back!

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        • Heart Of Winter

          “You and I seem to be on a different page in regards to Winters ability to actually address anything with the type of substance he demands of others.”

          I’m not responsible for your lack of ability to understand the answers I’ve given. Also, I’ve said nothing that can’t be backed up with copious amounts of evidence.

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        • Heart Of Winter

          @Chopper

          “While I don’t concur, perhaps it would be best if I simply accept that you feel it’s my lack of general comprehension and not your inability to consider and address what’s actually being said, that’s the barrier here. ”

          Tell yourself what you need to, but no one else has had any trouble understanding my explanations.

          “I know you are a little miffed that Dr Turi called me out as the clean winner in his article and that might be holding you back a little too.”

          Wrong again. Whether or not the person who posted this article or those comments is the real Dr. Turi doesn’t really matter, because the real Dr. Turi is a complete fraud. None of his “predictions” ever come true. Judging by his incorrect spelling and grammar, he’s of below average intelligence. He’s not a doctor of anything, he’s just a self-proclaimed doctor. And not surprisingly, he’s featured on “ripoff report”. So his opinion of me means very little.

          “It never hurts to use a dental dam either.”

          I agree, so you should definitely do that before you end up with yet another case of the brown mouth.

          :lol:

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        • The Real Deal

          Your replies are sufficient, bro. No doubting your intelligence. I enjoy spirited debate. This is a good one! :grin:

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      • The Real Deal

        Just curious if you have had past predictions come to pass? The reason I ask is because if I was running around all the time making predictions, I’d be keeping a record of all the ones that came to pass. Sounds reasonable, right? Kinda kelps the whole credibility thing.

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        • Heart Of Winter

          No “stones” are necessary to respond to beef supreme. It’s like debating a child. He’s demonstrated numerous times by asking me to simplify things so that he can understand them, and with his low-quality insults (Heart of Darkness, Dark Heart), much like yourself.

          I wonder if he realizes how ironic it is that he named himself after a character from the movie “Idiocracy”. :lol:

          By the way, the word is “gaping”, not “gapping”. You’re welcome.

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        • Heart Of Winter

          @Chopper

          :lol: :lol: :lol:

          Filed under, “too stupid to require a coherent response”.

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      • Heart Of Winter

        Wrong again Mayhem. :lol:

        I don’t need to do my damnedest. No one here who’s debating against me has stripped down any of my arguments, nor have they bolstered their own. Science requires no faith. That’s one of the things so great about it, is it’s true whether or not you believe in it.

        You said: “What i want to know is why belief, in the intangible, is called “Science” when applied to Atheism and “Faith” when applied to Religion.”

        You said the question is rhetorical, but the answer is quite simple. No claims of belief in the intangible need to be taken ‘on faith’ in science because none are made. Whatever knowledge science produces is valid everywhere. While faith, on the other hand, is an unjustified, unprovable, belief based on fantasy, superstition and wishful thinking.

        You said: “..it is quite impressive. Impressive for lazy thinkers, that is,”

        The only lazy thinking here is being done by people like beef supreme – believers of creation myths and “intelligent design”, as they continue to fill gaps in their knowledge with the “god clause”. ie: “I can’t explain something, therefore god did it!” Of course, positions which they can’t provide evidence for because it doesn’t exist.

        Relying on supernatural explanations is a cop-out or a dead-end to deepening our understanding of reality.

        You said: “…i applaud you for being cut from better stuff than the average Atheist.”

        Not sure what that means, because as the bare minimum standard, atheists do not exhibit gullibility or credulity. We maintain a standard of evidence required to prove any claim asserted.

        “Usually these debates don’t reach conclusion due to the losing side running off with tail tucked, lets hope you put up a better defense of your position but regardless, at the end of the day, you will be left with two choices.”

        These debates always reach a conclusion, but the people on the losing side (like beef supreme) will continue talking in circles and trying to assert their baseless claims as fact, while at the same time trying to claim that scientific facts have no evidence or require “faith”. As an analogy, it would be the same thing if a losing football team stayed on the field and continued playing, long after the game was over and they’d already lost and everyone else went home, then claiming victory. :lol:

        People like beef supreme, and other believers in creation myths/intelligent design are what’s known as “fact proof”. That is, no amount of hard evidence will be sufficient enough for them to ever consider changing their minds about beliefs in fairytales. Once you’ve achieved this status, you’ve lost the ability to be objective and your position is rendered irrelevant. Good job. :lol:

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        • Heart Of Winter

          @Mayhem

          I actually haven’t ignored them, the other responses were going to take me longer so I replied to them first. I’ve done no “circling”, as with beef supreme, your lack of ability to understand logic and reason is your problem, not mine.

          @Chopper

          “We now have more than a handful of folks telling him he’s talking in circles and offering NO FACTS in his “explanations”

          Argumentum ad populum. The popularity of an idea says nothing of its veracity. :lol:

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        • Heart Of Winter

          @Mayhem,

          Actually, your assertion that my point regarding chopper falls flat, falls flat itself because he claims that I’ve offered no facts in my explanations, when in reality I’ve offered plenty.

          And yes there are others ahead in the queue, but I’ve addressed them and can address many more at the same time because the level of debate that you and others here are providing is quite elementary.

          “Buck up for the suds, my friend, for the last couple of weeks you’ve been playing out rope and now you have been called out. I, also, am very interested to see what you’ve got.”

          You’ve been seeing “what I’ve got” all along, and I’ve been seeing what you “true believers” have all along as well, which is nothing more than conjecture, superstition, and wishful thinking. So start paying attention and try to keep up, or shut the “buck up”. :lol:

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    • Mayhem

      Speaking of your work, Turi, how is your prediction for “California’s Deadliest Earthquake” coming along?

      /prophecy/2015/01/ca-earthquake-exodus-prediction-are-you-ready-2466478.html#comment_329480

      Today has to be the day or yet another of your predictions goes down the gurgler, doesn’t it?

    • MikeSavage

      So BEEF’s last comment has been deleted, and his account locked. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. At least, for now, we won’t have to be attacked relentlessly by him.

      • max jones

        …..He’s a very educated, balanced man. I miss him already. I know exactly why you like it, he’s banned….shoot, we all do… :cool:

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