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Exposed! The Top 10 Myths that Dominate Christianity

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The Top 10 Myths that Dominate Christianity

 

Much like the Federal Reserve Bank is NOT Federal, has NOTHING in reserves and is actually a private corporation instead of a bank, Christianity is a misnomer, designed to anaesthetize, deceive and control the masses.

Like ALL organized religion, it is a man-made BUSINESS based on fraud and deception, and a thorough and honest review of most “Christian” beliefs versus what it actually says in the Bible prove unequivocally that, other than its intentionally misleading name, Christianity shares virtually NOTHING with Christ.

 

10. From “Good” Friday to Easter Sunday: can Christians not count to 3?

The centerpiece of Christianity is the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus-Christ. Many, if not most Christians believe that Jesus was crucified on “Good”(?) Friday and was resurrected roughly 36 hours later, in the early morning hours of Ishtar/Easter Sun-day. But is this what really happened? A close and thorough examination of the evidence proves beyond ANY reasonable doubt this simply isn’t the case.

Christ prophesied the following about the time between the crucifixion and the resurrection:

Matthew 12:39-40

12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and unfaithfull generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonah:
12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of Man be three days AND three nights in the heart of the earth.

So how can so many Christians be duped into believing the LIE that Jesus only spent half as much time in the heart of the earth as He (THE TruthJohn 14:6) said He would? A half-truth is still a lie, and that includes the half-truth that Christ’s Mission on Earth was only 3 ½ years.

Daniel 9:27 And he (Christ) shall confirm The Covenant (the New Covenant) with many for one week (7 days = 7 years in Bible prophecy code*): and in the midst of the week (WEDNESDAY) he shall cause the sacrifice (His Crucifixion) and the oblation (His Life which He willingly offered to show us The Way [John 14:6] and to redeem us from our PAST SINS [Rom. 3:25]) to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations (ALL of the churches, which teach the opposite of what Christ teaches) He shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation (the “Lake of Hell-Fire”), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate (those who refuse to listen to and obey God ONLYActs 5:29, Luke 19:27, Rev. 2:23).

*Numbers 14:34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, [even] forty days, EACH DAY FOR A YEAR, shall ye bear your iniquities, [even] forty years, and ye shall know My breach of promise.

So, according to the EVIDENCE, at the end of His 7-year Mission, Jesus was crucified on a WEDNESDAY, NOT on a Friday. And if the body of Jesus was buried “in the heart of the earth” for 3 days AND 3 nights, that means He rose on Saturday (the Sabbath Day, aka the Lord’s Day) NOT on a Sun-day. But is there any evidence of this in the Gospel accounts? The answer is yes, but it requires actually reading them and recognizing that there were TWO Sabbaths the week Jesus was crucified.

The Last Supper, that Jesus ate with His Disciples, was the Passover, which is the day of preparation for the High Sabbath that begins the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Leviticus 23:5-7). The end of each day is at sunset, at which time the next day begins (Gen. 1:3-5). The High Sabbath that year was on a Thursday, which began at sunset on Wednesday, when Wednesday ended and Thursday began.

John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, (for that Sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that] they might be taken away.

The second Sabbath that week was the weekly Sabbath which, as always, took place on Saturday, the 7th day of the week. The account in Matthew, when properly translated from the original Greek tells us that it was after the Sabbaths (plural) that the two Marys came to see the sepulchre.

Matthew 28:1-6

28:1 After the (two) Sabbaths, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead [men].
28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

Christ-Jesus was not there as it began to dawn on Sun-day (the first day of the week) because He had already risen (on Saturday, the Sabbath Day/The Lord’s Day).

Mark 16:1-6 (see also Luke 23:50-56, 24:1-8)

16:1 And when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the [mother] of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices*, that they might come and anoint him.
16:2 And very early in the morning the first [day] of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
16:3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
16:4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus the Nazarite, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

*Buying and selling on the Sabbath is strictly forbidden under The Law (Exod. 20:8-11, Neh. 10:31, 13:15-21), so the ONLY time that the two Marys could have bought sweet spices would have been on Friday, between the two Sabbath days – the High Sabbath on Thursday and the weekly Sabbath on Saturday.

Remember, they had to hurry to take down the body of Jesus and bury it before the (High) Sabbath began (Mark 15:42-47), so there wasn’t anytime for them to buy spices after burying the body of Jesus. And it was very early on the first day of the week, immediately after the (weekly) Sabbath, when the two Marys came to the sepulchre with sweet spices they had bought and prepared on Friday. Further confirmation of this can be found in the Gospel of Luke.

It is also of interest that the Greek word “pascha” is found 29 times in the original text of the New Covenant/Testament where it is correctly translated as Passover 28 times. The lone exception is in Acts 12:4 where, in most Bible versions, it has been intentionally mistranslated as Easter.

If Christianity can’t get something as simple as reading and counting to 3 correct, about a subject as important as the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, then how can anything they teach be taken seriously?

 

9. The Trinity Delusion

While counting to 3 has proven difficult for most Christians, dividing by 3 seems to come easy, especially when it affords yet another opportunity to mix in some more pagan beliefs, like Ishtar/Easter, into their mysterious organized religion.

Just as Ishtar/Easter makes a mockery of Christ’s sacrifice and suffering on the cross, the trinity makes a mockery of The King Ruler of the Universe, Whose Name in Hebrew is YHWH, or in English, the “I AM”; the Self-Existing ONE.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The “I AM” our God [is] one “I AM”:

Neither the word “trinity” nor the words “triune god” appear ANYWHERE in the Old or New Covenants/Testaments, and yet “trinitarians” would have us believe that this is the most all-important core concept in understanding God. Over a billion “Christians” believe that their 3-in-1 god is neatly divided (please see Matt. 12:25) into 3 separate but equal parts: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And all of this is based on the false premise that Jesus was God and that the Holy Spirit is a third, separate character in this trio. The Holy Spirit is actually our hotline to the Almighty.

Jesus was the human son, born of the virgin Mary. Jesus (the human) was incarnated by God’s Eldest/Firstborn Son, Christ (the Spirit-Being) making the human+Being we know as Jesus+Christ. The name Jesus is actually a title which means “Savior” and Christ is likewise a title which means “The Anointed One”. God is a Spirit-Being (John 4:24) and so are ALL of His Children, including His Firstborn Son (Dan. 10:21, Dan. 12:1, Col. 1:14-15).

Numbers 23:19 God [is] not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent: hath He said, and shall He not do [it]? or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good?

Jesus referred to Himself as the “Son of Man” no less than 80 times throughout the Gospels. He NEVER claimed to be God, and Christ (the Spirit-Being), speaking through the mouth of Jesus (the human), made it a point to let everyone know that.

John 5:37 And the Father Himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His shape.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

Greater than does NOT mean equal to. And God doesn’t have a God or He wouldn’t be God by definition. The MOST High means exactly that: there are NONE higher (or equal to). It really isn’t that difficult to understand. God is the head of Christ, just as Christ is the head of every man and THE Example (John 14:6) that every man must follow to actually come to and KNOW our Creator and heavenly Father and DO His Will (Matt. 6:10). Sound familiar?

I Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

Every other false claim of a triune god, or that Jesus is God, is the result of a total misunderstanding (II Peter 3:16) of the differences between the spirit (being) and the flesh (human) or due to intentional mistranslations.

John 4:23-24

4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship Him.
4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship Him MUST worship [Him] with their spirit (being) and in Truth.
 

8. Peter the Roman?

The foundation for both the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) and her daughters, i.e. ALL the Protestant religions to which she gave birth, is built on the LIE that Peter was the first pope of Rome. Simon Peter was NEVER in Rome, much less the first pope of the Babylonian mystery religion (Rev. 17:5).

The RCC claims Peter served in Rome in the capacity of pope from 41-66 A.D. (some historians differ on these dates, but not on the location) and that the papacy derives its authority by apostolic succession from Peter, whom they claim is buried under St. Peter’s Basilica. But even a cursory examination of the Scriptures (The Rock-solid Truth) proves this is a complete fabrication.

Matthew 10:5-6

10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go NOT into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the “House of Israel”.

Are we to believe that Peter directly disobeyed The Master (Christ-Jesus) and went to Gentile Rome anyway?

Galatians 2:7-9

2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;
2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Peter’s Assignment: Circumcision = Jews (Jerusalem, Joppa, etc.)

Paul’s Assignment: Uncircumcision = Gentiles (e.g. Rome)

In the letter to the Romans we are told that those assignments would NOT be intermingled.

Romans 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was known about, lest I should build upon another man’s foundation.

That same letter goes on to send greetings and salutations to no less than 28 people who were in Rome at the very time Peter was supposedly pope (Rom. 16:1-15), and yet it never mentions Peter, which would be very strange and extremely rude if Peter had actually been there. It would also have been completely unnecessary to send a letter to instruct the community in Rome if Peter had been there leading them at that time.

Clearly Peter wasn’t in Rome. He was exactly where he was supposed to be: in Jerusalem and the surrounding area. In fact Peter died (of old age, NOT on a satanic inverted cross – John 21:17-19) in Jerusalem and was buried there, where his tomb was discovered in 1953 at a Franciscan monastery site called “Dominus Flevit”.

The first pope of the RCC was not until the 4th century A.D., when the Roman Emperor Constantine took the title “bishop of bishops” for himself. He presided over the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. in that capacity, which is when and where the “Creed of Nicaea”, now known as the “Nicene Creed” was incorporated, which introduced the concept of the pagan trinity into Christianity, mixing it together with the true teachings of Christ.

The entire “apostolic succession” from Peter through to Constantine was then fabricated and back-filled to try to legitimize the church’s worldly authority. ALL based on LIES, because Simon Peter was NEVER in Rome.

 

7. We’ll be rewarded for being criminals

As ludicrous as it may sound, this is yet another church doctrine that most, if not all Christians believe.

Sure, different words are used, and a pack of elaborate lies are told & sold, but the end result is the churches have convinced their paying customers that it’s not only okay to be a criminal; it’s expected of them. And all that’s required to sell this utterly ridiculous concept is the twisting of a few scriptures and the making of a promise they cannot keep to make everyone feel better about themselves for being habitual law-breakers.

Of course it begins with telling everyone it’s someone else’s fault. Personal responsibility has no place in organized religion because the two ideas are mutually exclusive. Personal responsibility for one’s own actions means placing the truth above ALL else for the common good no matter what. And to do that requires keeping and enforcing The Law that was given to us by The Ruler of the Universe to protect us from evil and keep us free.

Conversely, and just like a drug-dealer, organized religion must create a dependency on their product and the best way to do that is to offer their paying customers exactly what they want to hear and feel at a price they think they can afford. The churches make the path as broad as possible, so it offers the least amount of resistance, and then position themselves across the path as salvation brokers, with a monopoly on the forgiveness of sins. Their business is to sell get out of jail free cards to their target market who have been CONNED into believing that sinning is an unavoidable part of everyday life rather than a personal, free-will choice. Do people really not know that these wolves in sheep’s clothing are actually prison-inmates themselves who have NO LAWFUL authority to forgive anyone of their sins (Mark 2:5-11)?

2000 years ago Christ came in the body of Jesus to set an example—THE Example—of what it means to willingly sacrifice everything for the greater good of everyone else. As our Teacher, He took personal responsibility to the ultimate extreme and suffered the penalty for our crimes (Deut. 28) to give us a clean-slate and a second-chance (a New Covenant/renewed contract) to stop being criminals.

Then along comes Christianity and tells us Christ did away with The Law because it’s just too difficult for us to keep. They would have us believe that instead of teaching us how to be law-abiding citizens of the Universe, Christ decided to absolve us of any personal responsibility for our own unlawful actions and to grant us the freedom to sin with impunity. All that’s required is for us to make a weekly pilgrimage to the church franchise of our choice to pay them their protection money, and we can consider ourselves “saved”.

Sadly, the advertising and marketing campaign for these lies have been so thorough and aggressive that the churches of all denominations ($, £, €, etc.) have successfully hidden the obvious truth that sin and crime are synonymous.

I John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.

Transgressing The Law means breaking The Law and breaking The Law is a CRIME. Does anyone really believe that Christ came and suffered the agony of the cross to increase crime and suffering, and make the world even more evil than it already is? Christ actually condemned anyone and everyone who teaches that as being the lowest of the low.

Matthew 5:17-20

5:17 Think NOT that I am come to destroy The Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from The Law, till ALL be fulfilled.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least COMMANDments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of heaven.
5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall EXCEED [the righteousness] of the lawyers and politicians, ye shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of heaven.
 

“Think NOT that I am come to destroy The Law” means exactly that.

“Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from The Law” means exactly that.

“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least COMMANDments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of heaven”, means exactly that.

Crime may temporarily seem to pay well for the churches, and maybe they believe their own lies that on Judgment Day they will be forgiven for their countless crimes against humanity. But should you?

 

6. We’re only human after all

Do we have souls like the churches claim we do? Or is this something else they have exactly backwards?

The churches teach that we are humans that have souls and that if we lead a relatively good life in their estimation, which of course includes funding their criminal enterprise, our soul will go to heaven when we die. Otherwise our soul will go to hell.

It is a well-known fact that ALL human life ends in death, so if we are a human with a soul, and it is the soul that moves on when the body dies, precisely how do we escape death? A human can NEVER please or serve God so why would God want to let hardened criminals, that refuse to repent and return to keeping His Law, roam the Universe?

Romans 8:5-8

8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.
8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to The Law of God, neither indeed can it be.
8:8 So then they that are in the ways of flesh cannot please God.

It should be self-evident that the churches have this backwards too. We are provably NOT the human-animals we see in the mirror (Matt. 4:1-11). The REAL you is a spirit-being/SOUL temporarily imprisoned inside one of these human-animal bodies for a VERY good reason (Gen. 1:26, Rev. 12:7-9). And unless we truly understand this, and start over from scratch looking at the world through spiritual eyes rather than human ones, we will NEVER even “see” the Kingdom of God much less enter it.

John 3:3-13

3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born from above, he cannot SEE the Kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (human) and then is born (later) from above as his spirit-”Being” (his REAL self which is NOT human), he can NOT enter into the Kingdom of God (Who is a Spirit-”Being”).
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is human; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-”Being”) – (a human+Being).
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and where it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? (How can I not be human?)
3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a teacher of Israel, and knowest not these things?
3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you [of] heavenly (spirit) things?
3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of Man which is from heaven.

If you are human, then when you die, it’s all over and you have nothing to worry about. If, on the other hand, you are a spirit-being (soul), then when the body dies that you have been temporarily incarnating, you continue to live, at least until the Last Day (Judgment Day). Either way, there is no reason to fear the death of the human body (Matt. 10:28).

The only thing to fear is to be found lacking on the Last Day (Mal. 4).

 

5. Churchianity

It should be as clear as a church bell by now that Christianity and Christ’s TRUE Teachings are polar opposites. But nowhere is this clearer than in Christ’s CONDEMNATION of the churches and their leaders.

 

Matthew 6:1-13

6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen by them: otherwise ye have NO reward from your Father which is in heaven.
6:2 Therefore when thou doest [thine] alms, do NOT sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites DO in the churches and in the streets, that they may have glory from MEN. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret Himself shall reward thee openly.
6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt NOT be as the hypocrites [ARE]: for they love to pray standing in the churches and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and WHEN THOU HAST SHUT THY DOOR, pray to thy Father in private (Enoch 56:5; Sura 7:55); and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
6:7 But when ye pray, use NOT vain repetitions, as the heathen [DO]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
6:8 Be NOT ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, BEFORE ye ask Him.
6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name.
6:10 Thy Kingdom come. Thy Will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.
6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
6:12 And forgive us our debts and trespasses (if we truly repent), as we forgive our debtors and those who trespass against us (if they truly repent).
6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For Thine is the Kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

How many have said the Lord’s Prayer (Matt. 6:9-13 above) out loud, in church? And why are people even in the churches when Christ said NOT to go to church like the hypocrites do? Why would anyone listen to ANYTHING a “Christian” priest, pastor, etc. has to say when Christ expressly FORBID us from being such things?

Matthew 23:8-10

23:8 But be not ye called priest (etc.): for One is your Teacher, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.
23:9 And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ.

These evil people teach the breaking of the COMMANDments and are the lowest of the low (Matt. 5:19). They are the spiritually BLIND, and have NOTHING of any value to say. Anyone foolish enough to listen to them is just as spiritually blind and is being led straight into the ditch or Pit, i.e. The Fire.

Matthew 15:1-14

15:1 Then came to Jesus lawyers and politicians, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the Tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the COMMANDment of God by your Tradition?
15:4 For God Commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to [his] father or [his] mother, [It is] a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, [he shall be free]. Thus have ye made the Commandment of God of none effect by your Tradition (Talmud).
15:7 [Ye] hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is FAR from me.
15:9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men (man-made laws).
15:10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
15:12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the politicians were offended, after they heard this saying?
15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath NOT planted, shall be rooted up.
15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch (or Pit).

There is ONE Good Shepherd (John 10:11-14), ONE Master/Teacher (Matt. 23:10) and ONE Mediator between God and men (I Tim. 2:5), so who are all of these priests, pastors, etc., who are doing the opposite of what Christ teaches, really working for?

Stop calling it Christianity. It has absolutely nothing to do with Christ. Christ told His TRUE Followers to go and make DISCIPLES of all nations, NOT Christians (Matt. 28:19).
 

4. Ho-ho-ho.

Merry Christ-mas! It’s the most wonderful time of the year (sing along if you know the words), when we celebrate Santa and reindeer and Christ-mas trees and Christ-mas lights and Christ-mas decorations and presents and ski trips and drinking and stuffing our faces at Christ-mas parties. Deck the halls. Jingle bells.

What in the world does any of this have to do with the birth of Jesus?

Ask any Christian and they’ll probably tell you that despite the central role Santa plays in all of this ‘holiday cheer’, they know the real reason for the season. Don’t we all?

MATERIALISM.

Christ-mass/X-mass is the most materialistic event on the calendar. Advertising and peer pressure has people spending money they don’t have on things they don’t need, to impress people they don’t know. THAT is what X-mass is all about and the real reason for the silly season. The supposed birthday of Jesus was simply added to indoctrinate and incorporate Christians into these overtly pagan/heathen Yuletide/Saturnalia traditions and promote materialism. X-mass/Yuletide/Saturnalia and the birth of Jesus are, by their very nature, mutually exclusive.

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and materialism.

X-mass teaches people to tell lies, and worse yet, it manipulates us to perpetuate these lies “for the good of the children”. And if any should refuse to teach, train and spoil their children into being selfish and materialistic liars like themselves, they face the wrath and judgment of the evil majority (Exod. 23:2) who consider themselves to be St. Nick’s best friend and personal defenders.

From a very early age, children are fed the LIE that there is a jolly old man in a red suit named Santa [Ni]Claus (old St. Nick/Nicolas) who, in a single night, flies around the world in a sled pulled by flying reindeer (one with a red nose that lights the way), landing on people’s rooftops undetected before forcing his obese, jelly-like exterior through the chimney and leaving all of these wonderful gifts under the X-mass tree strung with silver and gold tinsel. As ridiculous as this story sounds, even to children, they are told if they do not believe in Santa he won’t come and leave them any presents. How can children believe anything their parents tell them after finding out Santa is a lie?

We are training our children to believe in lies and that it’s fun to repeat them.

The name “Santa” is a very obvious anagram for Satan, who is the father/inventor of LIES [John 8:35 (John 8:44 KJV)] and he is laughing at us all (ho-ho-ho) for falling for his X-mass con job. No wonder Christ HATES X-mass.

Revelation 2:6, 15

2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes (followers of Santa [Ni]-Claus – Yuletide, Easter [Ishtar - a goddess of fertility - eggs a symbol of fertility] etc.), which I also hate.

2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the followers of St. [Ni]-Claus (Yuletide), which thing I hate.

So how can so-called Christians do this to Christ? Celebrating a lie, and teaching your children to do the same is patently evil, which is why Christ (the Truth) condemns the pagan tradition of the X-mass/Yuletide/Saturnalia, which honors Satan/Santa, NOT the supposed birth of Jesus. Does anyone really believe that the Lamb of God was born in the dead of Winter? Lambs are born in the Spring, the season of REBIRTH.

In the year 7 B.C. there was a conjunction of Jupiter (the king of the planets) and Saturn (thought to be the protector of Israel) in the Constellation of Pisces (the Sign of the Messiah), as computed in 1603 by the Astronomer Royal in Prague – Johannes Kepler, that was first visible at daybreak on the 12th of April 7 B.C. (Passover in 7 B.C. was on Monday April 13th which commenced at sundown on the 12th). The earth-shattering significance of this conjunction – Messiah; King; Protector of Israel; Passover – would have been unmistakable to the Levitical Druid astronomers (wise men) in the British Isles, where the monarch was also the Archdruid.

Matthew 2:1-6

2:1 Now when Jesus had been born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men (druids) to the East to Jerusalem,
2:2 Saying, Where is he that has been BORN King of the Jews? for we saw his “Star” in the East, and are come to worship him.
2:3 When Herod the king had heard [these things], he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and lawyers of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
2:5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
2:6 And thou Bethlehem, [in] the land of Judah, art not the least among the princes of Judah: for out of thee shall come a Governor (of this prison planet), that shall rule My people Israel.

Jesus (Savior) was born in the Spring, in Bethlehem of Judaea, at the time of the Passover (when the lamb’s blood saved us by causing the angel of death to passover) NOT on the pagan Yuletide/Christmas, during the season of death. Celebrating the heathen Yuletide/Saturnalia began shortly after the flood (Gen. 10:8-9), and had been going on for thousands of years before the birth of Jesus.

Jeremiah 10:1-4

10:1 Hear ye the Word which the “I AM” speaketh unto you, O House of Israel:
10:2 Thus saith the “I AM”, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
10:3 For the customs of the people [are] vain: for [one] cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

Spreading lies and continuing to do that thing which Christ hates is a sure-fire way to burn (Rev. 21:8).

 

3. Will the REAL Israel please step forward

There are few, if any, terms throughout history which have been more intentionally obscured, and more misunderstood, than the terms “Jew” and “Israel”. These two terms are NOT, and never have been, synonymous.

“The name Israel (Champion of God, or Ruling with God), is a title which was specially bestowed by God Himself upon Jacob, the ancestor of the Israel people.

Jacob-Israel had twelve sons, of whom Judah was the fourth. It is obvious, therefore, that Judah was one of the children of Israel, and equally obvious that the other eleven sons could not possibly have been Judah.

Each of these twelve sons founded a tribe, with the exception of Joseph, who founded two tribes through his two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh. There were thus, strictly speaking, thirteen tribes; but, inasmuch as the tribe of Levi had no territorial status but was dispersed throughout the other twelve tribes for the performance of special duties, it became customary to speak of the whole nation as the twelve tribes of Israel.

These tribes were organized into a kingdom, of which God Himself was the King: a Theocratic State, which lasted about four hundred years. At the end of that time they decided to set up a visible and earthly king, and first Saul, then David, and lastly Rehoboam, reigned over the original united kingdom of all-Israel.

In the reign of Rehoboam this kingdom was split into two parts: the tribes of Judah, Benjamin with some of the tribe of Levi scattered amongst them formed the kingdom of Judah, while the remaining ten tribes with the remainder of the Levites scattered amongst them formed the new northern kingdom of Israel. This great division took place about 975 B.C., and from this time forward the terms Israel and Judah generally refer to the two separate kingdoms so formed.

Between the dates 741 B.C. and 676 B.C., the people of the kingdom of Israel were deported by the Assyrians to a district north of Nineveh; and shortly afterwards their land was handed over to colonists from the Assyrian Empire.

The main deportations of Judah took place between the dates 606 B.C. and 587 B.C. when all the inhabitants of that kingdom, with very few exceptions, were transported by the Chaldaeans to Babylon.

The people of the two kingdoms were thus deported at different times, by different conquerors, and to different districts.

In 537 B.C., under the decree of Cyrus, a portion of Judah (42,360 souls in all), some of whom had married non-Israelite wives and fathered children by them, returned to their own land – Judaea, and became known as Jews.

These Jews, being of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi, were, therefore, of the race of Israel, but of the kingdom of Judah.

On the other hand, the ten tribes, who never returned home from their captivity, were not only of the race of Israel, but also of the kingdom of Israel; they could not, therefore, by any possibility have been either Judah or the Jews.

Until these facts are clearly understood, much of the Bible must remain unintelligible.”

- From The Fight for The Kingdom and Justice For ALL by R. Llewelyn Williams

Over the past 2500 years, the number of Jews who are true racial descendants of the tribe of Judah have dwindled to the point that only a small remnant remains. The overwhelming majority of “Jews” today are Eastern European, or Ashkenazi “Jews”, who are neither Semitic nor Israelite.

Genesis 10:1-3

10:1 Now these [are] the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
10:3 And the sons of Gomer; ASHKENAZ, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

EVERYTHING about the Ashkenazi is counterfeit, including their false claim to be Biblical Jews and Semites. They are, as their name clearly states, descended from ASHKENAZ, the grandson of Noah’s son Japheth (through Japheth’s son Gomer), NOT Noah’s son Shem/Sem. So the AshkeNAZI are Japhethites, NOT Semites and thus have NO Biblical right to one-inch of the land of Israel, that they’ve stolen from TRUE Israel to set up their counterfeit-Jewish-state. The same state that Adolf Hitler was the mid-wife of because without him and their scam there would be no counterfeit-Jewish state in the land of Israel today.

So their incapacitating slur of “anti-semitism” is a complete load of nonsense and a bare-faced LIE because it is the AshkeNAZIS that are anti-semites. They absolutely HATE TRUE Israel, the British and Anglo-Saxon Americans and thus have set out to enslave and destroy both nations through their banksterism and murderous war profiteering.

Revelation 2:9, 3:9

2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are NOT, but [are] (Idumeans) the synagogue of Satan.

3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are NOT, but do LIE (Idumeans); behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

 

The Ashkenazis have not only stolen the land from us, but even our name ISRAEL (Gen. 48:16), and conned us into financially supporting and fighting for them and their counterfeit-Jewish state while funding our own demise. Why would any Christian continue to support and defend the synagogue of Satan?

The fact that the fig tree (Jews) put forth new leaves in the land of Israel in 1948 is prophetically significant concerning the Second Coming of Christ (Matt. 24:32), but according to Christ, they (the Jews) will NEVER bear fruit for God (Matt. 21:19).
 

2. Coming soon(?) to a (military) theater near you: the Great Tribulation

Christian prophecy today is filled with false prophets and false christs claiming to know the exact day when the great tribulation will begin and when it will end, along with what they think will happen in between. Fortunes have been made writing books and making films on this subject because people are starting to see how bad it’s getting and are looking for answers. Unfortunately most are looking in all of the wrong places.

Christ describes the great tribulation in the following way:-

Matthew 24:21-22

24:21 For then shall be great oppression, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the Elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

The great tribulation/oppression is also described in the Book of Daniel:-

Daniel 12:1-4

12:1 And at that time shall Michael [the Archangel] (Eno. 20:5; 36:1; 40:8; 58:1; 59:9; 57:1-2; 70:4; Rev. 12:7; Sura 2:98) stand up, the Great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the Book [of Life] (Rev. 13:8; 17:8; 20:15; 21:27; Sura 83:20).
12:2 And many of them that sleep in “the dust of the earth” (Gen. 13:16; 28:14) shall awake, some to Everlasting Life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt.
12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to Righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and “seal” the Book (Rev. 5:1-5), [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and [evil] knowledge (1 Tim. 5:20) shall be increased.

And in the Book of Jeremiah:-

Jeremiah 30:7-11

30:7 Alas! for that day [is] great, so that none [is] like it: it [is] even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the “I AM” Lord of hosts, [that] I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
30:9 But they shall serve the “I AM” their God, and My Well-Beloved their king, whom I will raise up unto them (Ezek. 21:26-27).
30:10 Therefore fear thou not, O My servant Jacob, saith the “I AM”; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make [him] afraid.
30:11 For I [am] with thee, saith the “I AM”, to save thee: though I make a complete end of all nations where I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a complete end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

And we’re even told what we need to do to prepare and what will happen when the great tribulation ends:-

Malachi 4

4:1 For, behold, the Day cometh, that shall burn like an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the “I AM” Lord of hosts, that it shall leave of them neither root nor branch (nothing).
4:2 But unto you that fear My name shall the Sun of Righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in The Day that I shall do [this], saith the “I AM” Lord of hosts.
4:4 Remember ye and return to The Law of Moses My servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, [with] the Statutes and Judgments.
4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the Prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the “I AM” (Sura 43:61):
4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse (see verse 1 for the details of the curse).

From these verses we know the following information about the great tribulation from a CERTAIN point of view:

 

1. it will be the worst oppression ever (Matt. 24:21);

2. God will have to intervene for us to avoid total annihilation (Matt. 24:22);

3. it is aka “the time of Jacob’s (Israel’s) trouble” (Jer. 30:7);

4. it is punishment for Jacob/Israel not keeping The Law (Jer. 30:11, Mal. 4:4);

5. the Great Prince Michael will be here during it (Dan. 12:1);

6. Christ will be here during it (Jer. 30:9, Mal. 4:2);

7. Elijah the Prophet will be here during it (Mal. 4:5);

8. there will be a great spiritual awakening during it (Dan. 12:2);

9. Judgment Day and The Fire will take place after it (Mal. 4:1, 5); and

10. the truth about it has been sealed up (Dan. 12:4), awaiting Christ’s Second Coming (Rev. 5:1-5).

 

Isn’t WHY this is happening just as, if not MORE important than WHEN it will happen?

The reason for the great tribulation is simple: it is a final attempt to awaken true Israel from her spiritual slumber by motivating us to see the total INSANITY of our incessant criminal behavior (which is destroying our planetary life-support system and each other), and give us one last chance to repent of and REFORM our evil ways.

True repentence means to stop doing all of this evil just as true reformation means doing away with everything that is corrupt and wrong. And there is something terribly corrupt and wrong about this country, this world and this way of life, isn’t there?

We NEED to recover what was lost, and the first step to recovery is to recognize there is a problem. The problem is, and always has been, that we haven’t kept The Law. And until we acknowledge our offense, by changing our evil ways, the great tribulation MUST continue.

Hosea 4:6, 5:15

4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of My Knowledge: because thou hast rejected My Knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to Me: seeing thou hast forgotten The Law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

5:15 I will go [and] return to My place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek My face: in their affliction they will seek Me early.

The name Israel means “Champion of God”, so even if someone is a racial Israelite, i.e. among the British, Irish and Anglo-Saxon [(I)saac's sons – Saxons Gen. 21:12)] American people, if we aren’t keeping and enforcing God’s Law, to provide true Liberty and Justice for ALL, then we aren’t really Israelites. Not in the true sense of the word.

The great tribulation is NOT some future event; it is happening RIGHT NOW all around YOU. The rapidly expanding police-state, rampant injustice and oppression, and the imminent economic collapse of this totally unsustainable debt-based, consumer throw-away society should have already gotten your attention LONG ago. It is so bad now that WW3 has ALREADY STARTED in Syria and people STILL refuse to see the error of our ways and take personal responsibility for our own actions by remembering and returning to God’s Perfect Law of Liberty.

We’ve been lulled to sleep with modern conveniences and technology, all of which can and likely will be taken away at some point SOON, especially with the upcoming food and water shortages and world wide war. But the fact remains that we have allowed all of this to happen by not keeping The Law, and it will only get worse from here.

Eventually, anyone who wants to survive will have to leave America and the rest of the Israelite countries for the Fortress of the Rock. And regarding any and all of the false prophets claiming to know the Day and hour when this will all end, please be advised that NO ONE on this planet knows that, NOT EVEN CHRIST HIMSELF.

Matthew 24:36 But of That Day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
 

1. The Rapture: a fool’s paradise

Another term that is found nowhere in all of Scripture is “the rapture”. The rapture refers to the supposition that “believers” will be caught up in the clouds to meet Christ, at or before His Second Coming (I Thess. 4:16-17).

This hypothesis is largely predicated on references about one being taken and one being left behind (Matt. 24:40), the “dead” being raised and transformed (I Cor. 15:51-53) and being caught up into Paradise (II Cor. 12:4). It is also accompanied with the standard arrogant Christian claim of knowing they are “saved”, in spite of the fact that Christ said no one has ever gone to heaven except for Him.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of Man which is from heaven.

Christ promised that during His Second Coming, He would no longer speak to us in parables, but plainly show us of The Father (John 16:25). And we are told that Christ will be here in a new body with a NEW NAME (Rev. 2:17, 3:12, 19:12) to publish the gospel truth to all nations (Mark 13:10) in the form of a “little book” (Rev. 10:7-10) revealing the mystery of God before the end would come.

Christ warned that during His Second Coming, Faith would be at an all-time low (Luke 18:8) and with so many spiritually fast asleep (Dan. 12:2, I Cor. 15:51), hardly anyone would even take notice of Him being here (I Thess. 5:2, II Pet. 3:10, Rev. 16:15). Fewer yet would actually try to listen to and learn from Him thanks to all of the false teachings of organized religion (Matt. 7:13-15, Matt. 24:37-39), and only a small percentage of those select few would stick it out to the end alongside Christ in the upcoming war being planned against Him NOW by Satan’s one world government leaders (Rev. 17:14).

All of the above references clearly indicate and require a physical presence; i.e. a Second Coming in the flesh, at a time when it is unexpected, like a thief in the night. We’re even told that when Christ has completed His Mission this time to gather the “Elect”, He will shed the human body He’s been using and the reaping will begin (Matt. 24:28). It is then that Christ will be seen by everyone coming in the “Clouds”, as His TRUE Spiritual Self, with the heavenly host, to separate the sheep from the goats (Matt. 25:31-46).

Matthew 24:29-30

24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the “sun” be darkened, and the “moon” shall not give her light, and the “stars” shall fall from heaven, and the “powers of the heavens” shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the Sign (“Star”) of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall ALL the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the “Clouds” of heaven with power and great glory.

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with “Clouds”; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and ALL kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Please note well that when everyone sees Christ coming in the “Clouds” it is NOT a happy reunion in mid-air. It specifically states that ALL of the tribes and kindreds of the earth shall mourn and wail. Why?

BECAUSE WHEN EVERYONE SEES CHRIST COMING IN THE CLOUDS WITH THE HEAVENLY HOST TO BEGIN THE REAPING, WE WILL KNOW IT IS TOO LATE TO DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF OUR FATE.

The best and ONLY Way to make the most of what little time you have left is to read, study and put into practice The Survival Plan, which is the “little book” (Rev. 10:7-10) entitled The Way home or face The Fire by JAH. The title is self-explanatory.

Those of you who claim to be “SAVED” already, are WRONG. You do not mark your own test. Only the Lord marks your test and you will have absolutely NO say in it. You would do well to learn some fresh and real humility and start again, this time DOING what the Lord says and not what you decide yourself. The “Self” has to be “crucified DAILY” until it is DEAD and you want only to serve your Lord and the common good, keeping the COMMANDments; Covenants; His Laws and Ways and NOT your own.

 

 



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    • Moog

      Matthew 16:27-28New International Version (NIV)

      27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

      28 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

      That was nearly two thousand years ago and I am a conservative Christian but the reality is the Old Testament and the New Testament are full inaccuracy’s,doublets,triplets and various contradictions,we have had world wars,genocides,holocausts and still we wait!

      I have come to the conclusion God does not get involved in this world and just lets it be,all you can do is live a good life and treat people how you expect to be treated yourself ……….

      • Bondo

        God has involved Himself in my life.
        He will help you too if you ask Him humbly praying that His will be done.

        • Moog

          I am a believer and have been blessed in many ways… There are some legitimate questions that one must ask and search for answers too

        • Pharisees.org

          MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD (John 18:36).

          THE CENTERPIECE OF CHRSITIANITY IS NOT WHAT THE AUTHOR OF THE ARTICLE ABOVE CLAIMS.

          Christianity was founded by FALSE APOSTLE ANTI-CHRIST PHARISEE PAUL and is:

          1. The church altars (Hebrews 13:10).

          2. The Eucharist (1 Cor. 11:26).

          3. Church lay and church rulers (Hebrews 13:17).

          4. The church lay pay money to their church rulers (Romans 15:27).

          The first bible is Catholic, the CATHOLIC 325 AD Council of Nicaea. Next the Ethiopian bible (4th century), then the Orthodox bible (Russian Orthodox church 988 AD), then the Protestant bible (15th century).

          GOING INTO THE FOURTH CENTURY the only church was the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH that is what evolved from the churches Pharisees founded for Gentiles. The descended Sons of the Pharisees who conquered Gentiles with their FALSE GOSPEL OF PAUL remain on control of their empire over Gentiles, THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.

          The RCC is full of pyramid symbols because the Jews were once enslaved to the Egypitans and now the Jew Pharisees have Gentiles enslaved to them that are of their Roman Catholic church empire.

          THE PAUL CONVERTS DO NOT HEAR THE SON OF GOD because they are not of truth and God is truith (John 18:37).

          Paul is a self-admitted liar – Romarns 3:7 If the truth of God is being spread by my lie, why am I judged a sinner

          EVIL AUTHOR – LIAR, THE SON OF GOD NEVER CALLED HIMSELF THE SON OF MAN:

          Matthew 27:28 … for he said I AM THE SON OF GOD

          Yeah the Pharisees made it be known what the Son of God said of himself in his dying moments, to make it known they killed the Son of God, and the Son of God said the PHARISEES RECOGNIZED HE WAS THE SON OF GOD (Matthew 21:38), while elsewhere in Matthew and John the Catholic Pharisee snakes altered Matthew and John to write the “SON OF MAN”, as though the Son of God said he is the son of man.

          IN THE OLD TESTAMENT SECTION, the term ‘son of man’ is PURELY DESCRIPTIVE, that he will appear to be a son of man, but he is THE SON OF GOD IN THE FLESH.

          The Son of God said, if I am David’s son how is it David said, THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, then he is not David’s son.

          Idiots, evil evil Christians, the Son of God said I AM NOT DAVID’S SON, but if he were to have said I AM THE SON OF MAN, then he is a LIAR and one can rightfully then ask, so you are not David’s son but you say you are the son of man, then whose son are you?

          BUT THE PHARISEES MADE IT KNOW toward the end of Matthew what the SON OF GOD SAID OF HIMSELF:

          Matthew 27:43 … FOR HE SAID, I AM THE SON OF GOD

          THE SON OF GOD IS NOT A MAN. That the Son of God came in the same flesh and blood body that all of mankind is born into DOES NOT MAKE HIM A MAN. HE IS GOD, THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, NO BEGINNING AND NO END.

          It is evil anti-Christ Paul who says Christt is THE SECOND and last ADAM (1 Cor. 15:45). It is evil FALSE APOSTLE PHARISEE LUKE who says Adam is the Son of God (Luke 3:38).

          TO HELL WITH CHRISTENDOM, its days are numbered iand is the grandest deception of Satan on earth and is the last deception of Satan left standing before the Son of God returns to reign on earth. The Beast is the 8th pope of the Vatican (Rev. 17:10-11).

      • BEEF SUPREME

        “That was nearly two thousand years ago and I am a conservative Christian but the reality is the Old Testament and the New Testament are full inaccuracy’s,doublets,triplets and various contradictions,we have had world wars,genocides,holocausts and still we wait!”

        The only problem is with your approach to the Word. There are exactly ZERO contradictions or inaccuracies in Scripture. (I have no idea what you mean by doublets or triplets.) I would be more than happy to prove this to you on a point-by-point basis. You can raise your objection, and I will show there to be neither contradiction nor inaccuracy in the Word of God. This is something I do rather often. Case-in-point, you quoted:

        Matthew 26:28

        “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

        Wasn’t John the Apostle standing there when Messiah said those words? Indeed he was. And wasn’t this said of John:

        John 21:22

        Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple (John) should not die: Yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, if I will that he TARRY TILL I COME, what is that to thee?

        ???

        Maybe the problem, Moog, is that you just don’t believe what is written.

        • Moog

          doublets:
          An episode occurred shortly after Abram and Sarai entered Egypt to escape the drought in Canaan:
          Abram, fearing that Pharaoh would kill him and take Sarai if they thought she was his wife, got her to agree to say that she was his sister. Sure enough, Pharaoh saw Sarai and, having no idea she was married, took a liking to her and added her into his harem.
          At that, Abram’s god worried Pharaoh with un-named plagues until he released Sarai and had the Egyptian army escort them both—and their increased houshold—out of Egypt (Genesis 12:11-20).
          Strangely, this same thing happens when the newly-named Abraham and Sarah met up with the King of Gerar in Genesis 20:1-18. Fearing that he’d be murdered and she’d be enslaved if they were discovered to be man and wife, Abraham told the King of Gerar that Sarah was his sister (she was a step-sister, after all), so the King took Sarah—having no idea she was already married—and married her himself. Added her to his harem.
          Whereupon Abraham’s god appeared to the King in a dream and told him the truth…that Sarah was actually Abraham’s wife…and made the King an offer he couldn’t refuse:
          If he’d release Sarah, give Abraham livestock and slaves—and freedom in Gerar, Abraham’s god would re-open the wombs of the King’s harem—which he’d closed shut (Genesis 20:1-18].

          • BEEF SUPREME

            And what is it, inherent in this noticeable and occasional trait of the narrative, that you find so troubling that it makes you doubt the Word?

        • Moog

          Due 21 18-21
          Man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them, then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gateway of his home town. And they shall say to the elders of his city, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear of it and fear.

          So it’s ok to murder you son? Now you will say that’s Mosiac Law but Jesus said in Matthew 5 18 -21 he had come to fulfill the law and not change it

          • BEEF SUPREME

            “So it’s ok to murder you son?”

            No, it is not. But certain crimes merit the punishment of death, according to the Law of God. Adultery is one such crime. Notice, though, that when Messiah was in the land, He showed the worshippers of the Law the truth of all things, namely:

            1. They are not the Judge
            2. The judgment with which we judge, thereby shall we be judged
            3. Where no mercy is tendered, none will be given

            That is to say — the punishments WE move to disburse, had BETTER be tempered with mercy if we hope or expect for mercy in our turn — even if those punishments are in keeping with the Law. If we deal punishments according to the Letter and not the Spirit, we will be judged by the Letter. If we disburse the penalty of the Law as it is prescribed, we may do so indeed. But if we do not temper our disbursal of Law with mercy, there will be no mercy for us in the day of our Judgment.

        • Moog

          My problem is you can read and read the bible,speak to Theologians,Scholars,Preists,Rabbi!s and you will get different answers to various passages

          • deano

            Well said Moog! The one question that seems to get many responses is what does IHS mean? I know now, but watching a PROTESTant priest try & explain what this bastion of Catholicism is doing in a Protestant Church is hilarious……………..

            # Biblical or Paleo-Hebrew is actually PHONECIAN!

            We now know the PHONECIAN alphabet, & so the tetragrammaton- YHWH, can be understood. YaHWeH is a geuss at the vowells.
            Y=I….iy,yi …as in Yishrael/Israel
            H=E…eh,he….as in Yehricoh/Jericoh
            W=Sh……same as modern Hebrew “Shin” letter pronounced “sh”

            So YHWH = IEShE…..prononuced Asher. I am who I am? Ehyeh asher ehyeh becomes I am Asher I am. Tribe of Asher? Asherah(gods wife)? Asherim poles? Ashur the god of Syria? Ashura Mazda the Persian god? OSIRIS real name is Asar? Asarlui, Asarluhui, plus many more are the 50 names of Marduk……….

            “J” is a olde-english invention of KJV 1600s. JHVH became JeHoVaH…..
            Jesus real name was IHESUS. See Jesus College Oxford> Collegium Ihesus (1570

            So Jesus, is actually IHESU. The S becomes SH, the last s dropped as a Greek addittion like Achilles, Socrates, Herodotus, etc.

            Some priests say this is what IHS means, a monogram of Ihesu….
            Others say In Hom Salvator, or in him salvation……….
            Others In Hoc Signes, or in this sign/name……..but , this is also the name of

            The JESUITS, The Society of Jesus, the IHS……exiled from Europe & dis-banded by the Pope Clement XIV(dead within a year from poison), & now the backbone of Tertiary Education in the USA, such as GEORGETOWN University……..

            • Moog

              Well put Deano

              I think I have bald patch on my head with all the head scratching I have done trying to make sense of it all and find the truth in the truth! 😀

            • BEEF SUPREME

              If your intent is to wrest meaning from the Scriptures, then why are you bothering yourself about the things of Roman Catholicism?

        • Moog

          Leviticus 21

          16 The LORD said to Moses, 17 “Say to Aaron: ‘For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. 18 No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; 19 no man with a crippled foot or hand, 20 or who is hunchbacked or dwarfed, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. 21 No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the offerings made to the LORD by fire. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God. 22 He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food; 23 yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the LORD, who makes them holy.

          What is that about?

          • BEEF SUPREME

            This is about patterns for teaching. Did you read that King David meditated on the Law of God day and night? What are the things David meditated about, if not these? And if things like these are what he pondered, then there are certainly lessons to be learned by pondering them.

            This is a prefigurement of the requirements of the Law, not only that the Sacrifice be a perfect Sacrifice, but that He who delivered up the Sacrifice must Himself be a perfect Deliverer.

            Who was the perfect Sacrifice; and who was the Deliverer (that is to say, vessel) of that Sacrifice?

            Note that in the passage about which you inquire, there is no prohibition against the deformed (or less than perfect) PARTAKING OF the sacrifices; only that he who brings the sacrifice into the sanctuary should himself be made in the image of the Perfect.

            • Moog

              That’s the problem it sounds like the word of man and not of God,surely god who loves us all no matter what would not be judgemental of physical defects …

            • BEEF SUPREME

              Why have you reached such a conclusion? Wasn’t Esau judged when he was yet in the womb? He was indeed. And if the Most High sees fit to afflict a man with deformities, making it so that man cannot enter into the sanctuary, or become a high priest and enter into the holiest of places, then why do you question His judgment? It is He who makes the affliction. And everything He does, He does for a reason. I wonder why you think you know better than He does…

          • Moog

            I am just looking for the truth …… Thanks for you input Beef Supreme,I am done

            Moog

            • HerusaAustsaAusar

              dont worry dude, beef di ck is what he is..all knowing and every ready to debunk anything

              heres 1 discrepancy and yes there are lots.. Immanuel or Jesus… No they are both in the bible. New and OLD.. the savior shall be named Immanuel..That my friends is confusion.. see Isa714 thru 16 and Matt 1:19 so we can clearly see that there are 2 specific names for the savior.. and of course many names for god. THIS IS JUST ONE error(its is because there are 2 names listed)

            • BEEF SUPREME

              Nice tactic, heathen. You have nothing with which to meet resistance, so you get all weepy when you can’t scatter your lies with impunity. I wish I felt sorry for you, but I don’t. Let’s see what you brought to the table today; anything of substance?

              “heres 1 discrepancy and yes there are lots.. Immanuel or Jesus…”

              Nope. Just more of the same crap.

              Are you aware that names in Hebrew have meanings? I’ll bet you knew that. Are you aware that the name Immanuel has a meaning? What is it? I’ll tell you what it is:

              EL WITH US

              How about the name Yehoshua? Do you know the meaning?

              YAHWEH IS SALVATION

              Now tell me, where did your conflict go? If you can look at that and see error, then your eyes are scaled over and you see nothing at all.

        • Pharisees.org

          DOG LIAR BEEF JERK SUPEREME, no contradictions in the BIBLE? LIAR:

          John 3:20 Evildoers hate the light

          Therefore how can it be that wolf Benjamite Pharisee false apostle and anti-Christ Paul is of God?:

          Romans 7:19 … I AM A PRACTITIONER OF EVIL

          PAUL PRACITCES EVIL, and it is only dogs of mankind that love the evildoer Paul (Matthew 7:22-23).

          ONE CONTRADICTION LISTED ABOVE.

          More contradictions.

          1. False apostle Pharisees Luke and Mark. Luke claims Heaven declared Peace on Earth upon birth of Christ (Luke 2:14). CHRIST SAID HE DID NOT COME TO BRING PEACE ON EARTH (Matthew 10:34).

          2. BE WISE AS SERPENTS AND GENTLE AS DOVES (Matthew 10:16).

          Evil anti-Christ Paul says BE READY TO REVENGE ALL DISOBEDIENCE (2 Cor. 10:6).

          3. Matthew says BOTH THIEVES REVILED THE SON OF GOD but Luke claims one of the theives praised the Son of God (Matthew 27:44, Luke 23:42-43).

          4. THE SON OF GOD SAYS BLESSED ARE THE POOR IN SPIRIT (Matthew 5:3). The evil antid-Christ Paul says BE RICH IN SPIRIT (1 Cor. Ch. 12). Christians are RICH IN THE SPIRIT OF ANTI-CHRIST, while claiming they are filled with the Holy Spirit, they commit the only unforgiveable sin which is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 12:32).

          5. THE SON OF GOD SAYS BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO DO GOD’S COMMANDMENTS (Rev. 22:14). Note that is the RISEN AND ASCENDED into Heaven Christ that so instructs, while the evil Christians claim they have the true risen and ascended into Heaven Christ in the gospel of anti-Christ Paul. Anti-Christ Paul says Blessed are those who are of the law of the spirit in the life of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:2). Who do you want to belief, Paul or the Son of God? Evil jerks like Beef Jerk Supreme side with Paul and the liars lie BS claim NO CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE, they are scum destined for the eternal lake of fire (Matthew 25:41, Rev. 22:15 – lovers of lies).

          I could go on, but for the good but deceived for whom I write, the above is sufficient. Those who are of the truth will hear the truth, while those who are of lies hear only lies, they are of Satan the Paul converts.

          • BEEF SUPREME

            Listen fool,

            I’m not interested in your contortions of the Word. You put lies in Paul’s mouth and you CHANGE what is written.

            When I try to meet you in debate on your ‘articles’, you simply take a cheap shot and then DISABLE COMMENTS because you are a coward who cannot defend his position.

            I challenge you, coward. MEET me on the field of debate, coward. Then I will address all of your offal until you can no longer see out of your one good eye.

            Otherwise, I have neither time nor pity for you.

          • Ambicatus

            BEEF IS RIGHT YOUR A FOOL PAUL IS HIGHERGRADE YA DINGBAT.

            NOW, Paul even says, LOOK< HERE THIS STUFF I WRITE TO THE GENTILES< BUT YOU:

            Act 21:24 “Take them and be cleansed with them, and pay their expenses so that they shave their heads. And all shall know that what they have been informed about you is not so, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Torah.

            SO, Paul Confesses Messiah, AND TELLS US, US, SAXONS< YISRAELITES to KEEP TORAH and Walk Orderly, fufilling the REQUIREMENTS for TRUE WORSHIP, and you say he's evil??

            your and IDIOT pharisee! i know your kind well! get them here!@ "israeliete" they call themselves! but they drink on Sabbath and allkinds! oooooo YOU. If you dont "get" Paul, then there is something WRONG with you, and you may have a "passenger"

        • Moog

          Thats the problem… Matthew says one thing then John says another!!

          • BEEF SUPREME

            An example please?

      • Klemens

        all this: “The Top 10 Myths that Dominate Christianity” are written by Freemasons!

        Freemasonry Is not Building but Dismantling. John Kerry: “We Will Make Order Out of (Our) Chaos”

        http://new.euro-med.dk/20151127-freemasonry-is-not-building-but-dismantling-john-kerry-we-will-make-order-out-of-our-chaos.php

        and the Freemasons are founded by the Synagogue. :evil:
        http://www.synagoguerising.com/

      • Williams

        Moog: Matthew 16:27-28New International Version (NIV)

        Don’t read the NIV, it is a highly corrupted bible. I had an NIV years ago and threw it away, after discovering how many corruptions and lies there are in it. The only thing I would do different now, if I had to do that again, is to have the paper recycled, instead of just throwing it in the trash.

        We often don’t realise just what it took, to actually get and today be able to have God’s Word translated into English. The best translation having been the king James Authorised Version (until recently – see: The King of kings’ Bible. Search for it on http://jahtruth.net)

        Pretty much as soon as the king James Bible A.V. became available, the Jesuits (they are agents of Rome) came on the scene and started to infiltrate and work behind the scenes (Vatican/Rome’s counter-reformation) to corrupt and change the subsequent translations that were being done after the king James A.V.

        A very good film (this really is a MUST watch) is:

        “A Lamp in The Dark – The Untold History of The Bible”
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmXBj2N9fhY

        It gives an idea of what it actually took, just to get the king James A.V. There is also a sequel to it called “Tares among the wheat” which is definitely also worth a watch. It shows more about the Jesuits and their ilk working to corrupt the text, EVER since. That is why there are so many wrong translations out there today, such as the popularised (by so many of the churches) corrupt NIV.

        • Moog

          Cheers William

          I have just watched it today

          • Williams

            You’re welcome, Moog.

      • Redeemer

        Black Friday Madness – This is Precisely Why We Are Soon to Be Visited By a ‘Great Flood’!

        /global-unrest/2015/11/black-friday-madness-this-is-precisely-why-we-are-soon-to-be-visited-by-a-great-flood-2469422.html

      • HereAmI

        Spoken like a true humanist.
        I would strongly advise you to consider your position very prayerfully, because on this evidence, you do not have the spirit of God indwelling.
        Anymore than does the writer of this inordinately long and shouting piece; masterfully put together with much scripture, but no wisdom.
        Central amongst the lies being perpetrated here is the idea that Christ, “The Anointed One”, not “A Spirit Being”, is not God.
        Clearly, He was so unaware of this fact that He allowed Thomas to call Him “My Lord and my God” without rebuke.
        And when the devious Pharisees asked Him who He was, He replied, “Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning”; and we immediately contrast this statement with the very first words He commanded Moses to write down, ie “In the beginning, God….”
        And apparently Jesus was a mortal man through whom the Christ spoke.
        This will come as somewhat of a surprise to those of us who understand that He had no earthly father, but a heavenly one.
        And the more so, when we realize that if He was the Son of God, then He was of God’s family, and as such, partakes of His nature.
        Beware of ravening wolves coming amongst the flock, dressed as sheep.

        • Axel

          HereAmI, I realize how extremely difficult it is to try and comprehend that there is, and only possibly, can be, but One Creator God! Or that everything else in all the Cosmos, was created, including God’s Son, Yeshua Himself.

          When you wrote “Central amongst the lies being perpetrated here is the idea that Christ, “The Anointed One”, not “A Spirit Being”, is not God”…here you make two enormous errors: 1) you would have been far more accurate to have said “the Anointed One Christ is not Yahweh” and of course, you would then be right, Our Adonai Messiah is not Almighty Yahweh. And: 2) the designation “Christ” is a title. And as any who have studied the Title of the Bible would know, titles are, and can be transferable to another person, just this Title “Anointed One” was given to Kings, and to prophets and to many others to whom the Spirit was poured on for a special designated purpose.

          Then we come to the very sticky concept of “Gud”, as used by old German, its not the way the Hebrew world thinks of Yahweh when they used the word Elohim.
          For there are Elohim many. Indeed, all of…let’s call them angels of God, who were themselves called Elohim. Benai Elohim-loosely translated “sons to God” in English.
          So, what is an Elohim anyway..Biblically speaking?
          Elohim is actually a spiritual plane of existence. All spirits are Elohim, including humans who have died, they are also called Elohim…in the Bible, just as the witch at Endor said she saw an Elohim whom she identified was Samuel the recently deceased man of God.

          In the Divine Council of Heaven there is a governing group of spiritual beings called Elohim but who were created by Yahweh. The Most ancient way of defining the plural form of this word Elohim in the earliest Hebrew was “theSUBJECTOR(s)” and it’s Greek equivalent was “thePLACER(s)”
          I believe you can see from the Scriptures that Yahweh first created His Son, and then created all the rest through Him.
          So from the above its possible to see that the Father of all Spirits subjects every one according to His will and He places them all according to His good pleasure, but the Father Himself is not subjected to anyone.
          God the Father is thus the “Sender” and His Son is the “sent one”. This is and will always be their intrinsic relationship. For it is impossible for us to ever conceive of the Deity being sent by anyone.
          How can His Son know to tell Him where to go? And how can He send Him, seeing that God is present everywhere?
          My friend its only when you take off the Catholic Babylonian eyeglasses of their 3 pagan gods will you be freed up to admire and worship the one True God Yahweh and His Son and our wonderful LORD and Saviour Yeshua just as they really are. Amen!

    • Damien

      You’re as crazy and sad as Truthseeker!

      CHRIST WAS CRUCIFIED ON FRIDAY!1!

      FRIIIIIIIIDAY!!!!

      Why [cough] would we lie? ^i^ :smile:

    • Moog

      It is sad how the symphony of Scripture is often confused by error and tradition.
      John 19:31 makes it clear that Our Lord’s crucifixion occurred on “preparation” day, i.e. preparation of the Passover meal. In other words, as most Jews were killing their lamb without blemish, God’s lamb, Jesus Christ, was also being slaughtered as a sacrifice for the sins of the world.
      “Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world.” John 1:29
      Wednesday (or perhaps Thursday) was the ‘Preparation Day’ for Passover. For Jews, all days start at sundown.
      John 19:14-16 says: Now it was the day of Preparation of the Passover. It was about the sixth hour (mid-day). He said to the Jews, “Behold your King!” They cried out, “Away with him, away with him, crucify him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your King?” The chief priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar.” So he delivered him over to them to be crucified.
      It was a bitter sweet day indeed. Few understood it at the time. Few understand it today.
      Confusion about the day of the week is easily explained. Mark 15:42 says it was “preparation day, the day before the Sabbath”. Most folks assume he is referring to the Saturday Sabbath. Not so.
      There were 3 Sabbaths that week, two “high” Sabbaths and one regular weekly Sabbath (Saturday).
      Passover is a “High Sabbath”
      The 1st day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread is also a “High Sabbath”
      And, Saturday’s are Sabbaths.
      So, if ’3 days and 3 nights’ means what it says then it is most likely Passover / Crucifixion that week landed on a Wednesday. He would have been dead, and in the grave, beginning Wednesday night. He rose sometime after Saturday evening because He had risen by Sunday before dawn.

      • Damien

        Plus the 3 hours of darkness after Jesus died.

        Oops!

    • Moog

      I think the writer of this story is either a Jehovas Witness or Seventh day Adventist ,I read his link’ the way home or face the fire’ and he mentions Jesus as being the Archangel Micheal!

      Fire and damnation for doubting the word of the canon 😉

    • djfxw

      For more fun facts about stupid religion, go to theevilbible.com

    • The Ferrett

      Well done Abdiel Freeman – some cold hard truths here at last.

      • srsly1

        Well done? This article is so full of untruths, I don’t even know where to begin. Flat out lies being sold as fact.

      • Williams

        The Ferrett is right.

    • A Freeman

      EVERY organized religion mixes a bit of the truth with some lies to create a near perfect recipe to deceive. That’s why Satan created ALL organized religion; to put up a barrier between mankind and our Creator.

      It was organized religion and their evil leaders that crucified Jesus.

      When will people learn?

      Father (God, NOT the pope) gave us all of the tools necessary to live in peace and harmony with each other and our natural surroundings when He gave us The Law. It’s up to us to keep and enforce The Law for our own individual and collective benefit to stop all of this evil and to set and keep us FREE.

      There is NO other way. Thousands of years of trying to do things our own way and there has NEVER been peace on this planet and there obviously never will be as long as people willfully choose to be criminals. Things are worse now than ever before. We are destroying the planet for profit and are at constant war with each other. And even as we find ourselves in the early stages of WW3 people still refuse to see the insanity of what we’re doing.

      Do yourself and everyone else a favor. Study what’s been shared with an open mind. Seek the truth with all of your heart, mind, soul and strength.

      ONLY the truth can set you FREE.

      • Mina

        “Father (God, NOT the pope) gave us all of the tools necessary to live in peace and harmony with each other and our natural surroundings when He gave us The Law.”

        Yes. Nothing better exists than the ordinances of the Creator. But this truth is not even dimly evident to madmen completely blinded by incredible vanity. Thus justice, or the correct application of the Law tempered by mercy, manifests as an increasingly bitter lesson given to mankind in order to awaken as many as can possibly be awakened to divine truth. Moses published it and Jesus lived and died for it but many still remain blind.

        “When will people learn?”

        As answered in Scriptures…

        On the sixth day, after man was created and first rebelled against his Creator, he lives in an environment in which the weeds must grow along with the wheat while he continues to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Eventually, clothed in arrogance and vanity and thinking himself to be above his Creator, mankind will bring itself, along with all that exists in beautiful Eden it was given, to a point of total and absolute destruction. But, before then, the Son of man will return to clear the earth of these sons of perdition and of all the carnaige and destruction they have brought.

        On the seventh day, the survivors, with their hearts now circumsized and thus dead to the world but born again ressurected in the light of the Spiritual Truth and humbled with respect for their Creator, mankind will have learned the Truth the hard way, but in a way they will never forget. On this seventh day liberty, freedom and peace will reign in Creation as it is meant to be and God will then rest.

    • Bondo

      i’m with you on the myth of the Trinity but Jesus is God, the Son of Man, being the Man of Holiness, God the Father.

      I AM the way, the Truth and the life. No man cometh unto the Father except by the Son.

      People who do not have eyes to see or ears to hear cannot understand God.

      I feel sorry for you.

      • BEEF SUPREME

        1 Corinthians 12:3

        No man can say that Jesus is The LORD, but by the Holy Spirit.

        • mfritz0

          Woe to he who calls evil good and good evil, woe.

          • Bill Lyle

            Is that a Danzig lyric? Whoa, Whoa, Whoa!

    • Theron

      Book a vacation fuktard.
      3 day 2 night accommodations.
      It was the third day herpity der :idea:
      What a brain dead, idiotic, sub-moronic buffoon.
      :grin:

    • jknbt

      you are so deceived….if your salvation depends of being perfect through works of the law, you have fallen from grace. Gal 5:4 You can’t have it both ways. If you have taken on the law as the way home to God, all the curses of deut. 28-33 belong to you now.

      The bible teaches trinity from Genesis chapt. one throughout. You missed it.

      No churches use enoch, much less the koran.

    • TruthUnveiled777

      According to Deuteronomy 28, the TRUE BIBLICAL ISRAELITES are those who have been ENSLAVED WITH IRON YOKES AND CHAINS.

      This applies ONLY TO WHOM???

      The so called “American Blacks” or “Negros,” THEY ARE THE TRUE BIBLICAL ISRAELITES — THE TRIBE OF JUDAH.

      And others who have been enslaved/tortured they ALSO are part of the 12 Lost Tribes (such as the Native/”American” Indians, Mexicans, Haitians, Dominicans, Brazilians, Argentinians, and peoples in South/Central America today.)

      We know this because YAHSHUA — the Son of Man — is in fact “BLACK”; who was also hung on a Tree NOT RISEN FROM A “CROSS.” He and ALL THE PROPHETS spoken of in the Bible are in fact “Black.”

      No other group of people IN HISTORY have been enslaved, beaten, and/or tortured as today’s “African Americans” have — many of which whom still do not know their history or who they TRULY are.

      Be careful not to bare false witness against THE TRUE BIBLICAL ISRAELITES as this is a Commandment.

      Just thought I’d put this out there :grin:

      • BEEF SUPREME

        “No other group of people IN HISTORY have been enslaved, beaten, and/or tortured as today’s “African Americans” have…”

        What friggin planet are you living on? TODAY’s African Americans, eh? Beaten? Tortured?

        Absurd. And very typical.

        Get back to Bible study. And loose the trip seven after your name. It makes figuring out where you stand a no-brainer.

        • TruthUnveiled777

          *Sigh*

          So sad to see paid government trolls even on BIN…

        • Ambicatus

          Dear brother Beef, you have now encountered one of them “black hebrews” they are VERY rad, but VERY confused, i find it best to just ask them “who is Kush”, arguing with them is futile, is best to pat em on the head an say “innat nice” . anyway, i am a HUGE fan of their dress code, it fkn rocks, and LOOK WHAT THEY DO,

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBlbLgl5WDs

          we will help them later when Daniel 12:1 kicks in, they cant blush so i dont expect embarrassment, and look, as long as they keepin the 10 Comm i dont care if they think they Judah, loooool, you dont wanna be Judah ya dummys, not in this day an age! go read Hosea 4:6! xD and Beef aint no shill ya dummy! omw, nice outfits tho

          • Crow (hex)

            Your right, believe in God, obey the 10 commandments, and try to understand and put into practice, the moral teachings of Jesus Christ. That’s all that is important!
            I’ve got to say to you all on the matter.

            • Ambicatus

              ZACTLY, thats the WHOLE POINT! You can have ANY religion you want as long as you keep the 10 Commandments and have the Testimony, its Isaiah 8:20, THATS IT. No rituals, no ceremonys, no “external worship”, You hit the nail on the head!
              Theres even a sayin related to the teaching of the Tzitzit, “with the binding of the Law, comes twice the freedom” AND, best is, IF< you want go EVEN MORE HARDCORE, you can take the Vow of Numbers 6, which adds a whole bunch of radness. !

              an like what you know of quezacoatl , looks like yer pic, rad

      • Damien

        Well surely the descendants of their ancestors heirs antecessors predecessors were?!!!

    • Louis

      Leave it to nerd-nick Freeman to strain after the gnat and ignore the camel.

      In the time of Christ, the Hebrew day lasted 12 hours, from sun up to sun down, and the night lasted from sun down to sun up, another period of 12 hours.

      So the term “three days and three nights” is simply an idiom for three 12-hour periods — i.e. 36 hours, exactly the period of time Christ predicted between His death and resurrection. 36 hours is also the approximate time it takes for decomposition to commence on a corpse. It was prophesied that Christ’s body would not undergo decomposition. The Shroud of Turin proves that the slain body of Christ, although in a stage of rigor mortis, went untouched by decomposition, just as the prophet said.

      The camel Freeman glosses over is the fact that Christ rose from the dead. Who else has ever done that besides nobody? Freeman obviously has his head stuck up a camel’s you-know-what.

      • BEEF SUPREME

        “…the term “three days and three nights” is simply an idiom for three 12-hour periods…”

        This kind of logic is IMPERATIVE in order for someone to become and to remain ‘faithful’ to the Roman Rite.

        Three Days and Three Nights = 36 hours, eh?

        Only in the mind of someone with an agenda to make Scripture fit the lies sold by Rome.

        Beyond embarrassing, Louis.

        • Amminadab

          Note that in Luke 24:18 – 21, the events of the three days begin with the arrest and trial of Jesus, not with His burial!

          Jesus was crucified on Friday and died at 3 p.m. He rose from the dead somewhere between Saturday after sunset and sunrise on Sunday morning. There is absolutely no way to push the crucifixion back to Wednesday and fit scripture. A Wednesday crucifixion is clearly impossible.

          Three days and Three nights.

          Oh, but then what of these apparently troublesome verses, don’t they preclude a Friday crucifixion?-

          Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

          Mat 27:63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, *After three days* I will rise again.

          Mark 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and *after three days* rise again.

          These verses are appealed to in order to propose a full 72 hours in the grave. They do seem to say a full 3 days and 3 nights don’t they? How can this possibly be reconciled with the traditional chronology? If you believe the Bible cannot contradict itself, then these verses MUST be harmonized with the rest of scripture on the subject. Well, please note the following story in 1 Kings-

          The third day (inclusive reckoning)

          1 Ki 12:5 And he said unto them, Depart yet *for three days*, then come again to me. And the people departed.

          1 Ki 12:12 So Jeroboam and all the people came to Rehoboam *the third day*, as the king had appointed, saying, Come to me again *the third day*.

          The king tells the people to depart for three days, but they return ON the third day, not on the fourth!! Why? Because the king did not mean to be gone for a full 72 hours. The counting of days was inclusive in nature. The same day that the king told them to leave was the first day. The second day they stayed away, and then they returned the third day, as the king had intended. This is the exactly the same manner of counting used for the resurrection. It is inclusive in nature, with whatever portion of the first and last days being counted as full days.

          Just for good measure, this same story is told in 2 Chronicles-

          2 Chr 10:5 And he said unto them, Come again unto me *after three days*. And the people departed.

          2 Chr 10:12 So Jeroboam and all the people came to Rehoboam *on the third day*, as the king bade, saying, Come again to me *on the third day*.

          Note the way this is worded compared to 1 Kings. Come again unto me after three days, depart yet for three days, and Come again to me on the third day, these all mean exactly the same thing, which is NOT a full three days or a full 72 hours.

          Here is a similar situation of inclusive reckoning in the book of Esther:

          Est 4:16 Go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and fast ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day: I also and my maidens will fast likewise; and so will I go in unto the king, which is not according to the law: and if I perish, I perish.
          Est 4:17 So Mordecai went his way, and did according to all that Esther had commanded him.
          Est 5:1 Now it came to pass on the third day, that Esther put on her royal apparel, and stood in the inner court of the king’s house, over against the king’s house: and the king sat upon his royal throne in the royal house, over against the gate of the house.

          Note that here in Luke 13, the third day clearly means the day after tomorrow, not after 3 full days:

          Luke 13:31 The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee.
          Luke 13:32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.
          Luke 13:33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

          So, in light of all the evidence, Matt 12:40, 27:63 and Mark 8:31 do not really mean a full literal three days and nights or 72 hours, since Jesus clearly rose ON the third day. By Jewish understanding, referred to as inclusive reckoning, three days and three nights, and after three days, simply meant the same thing as ON the third day.

          Anchor Point #5: Jesus was resurrected ON the third day, not after 72 literal hours.

        • Louis

          BS — Logically speaking, the term “three days and three nights” HAD to have been an idiom or figure since Christ did spend 36 hours in the tomb, not three days and three nights.

          Maybe you read the word “idiom” as “idiot,” which is what you are. All mindless bigots, such as yourself, are idiots.

          You see, BS, when the human brain undergoes spiritual death, it becomes decomposed and therefore can no longer function properly. The first faculty to go is logic. When you chose to become a mindless bigot, your brain died and began to decompose. The reason all your posts are mind rot is because you’re incapable of logic due to the fact that your brain is decomposed.

          My conclusion is perfectly logical. If you were capable of logical thought, you’d agree instead of making an embarrassing fool of yourself by publicly repudiating the obviously logical truth of Roman Catholicism’s preeminence in all spiritual matters.

          • CrowPie

            Funny Louis, I don’t see one, no…not one scripture to back up your argument.

            I see lots of insults and slander…..but no scripture.

            Maybe you should try the local spelling bee, instead.

          • BEEF SUPREME

            Louis wrote:

            “If you were capable of logical thought, you’d agree instead of making an embarrassing fool of yourself by publicly repudiating the obviously logical truth of Roman Catholicism’s preeminence in all spiritual matters.”

            Good. Then a mindless bigot like me will be no trouble at all for you to thrash in debate. And I will debate you here and now on the CATHOLIC VERSION of 1 Samuel 13:1 — that is 1 Kings 13:1 in the Roman Canon.

            Right here, Louis. Regale us all with your exegesis on how, according to Rome, Saul was made king of Israel when he was ONE YEAR OLD.

            Bring it, big fella. Show me Rome’s preeminence in THIS spiritual matter.

            You’re too gutless and too weak-willed to meet me in debate. You know it and I know it. You will rather flee, casting insults over your shoulder as you slither into the weeds. That’s what you always do. Because it’s all you can do.

            • Louis

              BS — I don’t debate with you because you possess nothing but a decomposed, spiritually dead brain, and it’s not gentlemanly to kick an idiot.

              But on behalf of other bigoted wretches such as Crowpie who actually think your mind rot posts makes sense, I’ll answer your question.

              You’re referring to 1 KINGS 13:1 which reads: “Saul was a child of one year when he began to reign, and he reigned two years over Israel.” [Douay Version of Old Testament]

              Quote from Douay explanation of verse 13:1 — “This text is evidently the result of some confusion in the original Hebrew. It is not found in the Septuagint version.”

              This illustrates why interpretations of the Bible by brainless bigots such as BS are worthless. All rational students of the Bible know that the Written Word contains a smattering of similar minor errors most likely due to the fact that, until the invention of the printing press, Bibles were copied by hand.

              I don’t need to “regale” anyone with my “exegesis” on how Saul began to reign at age one, because he OBVIOUSLY DIDN’T. That’s why the verse doesn’t appear in the Septuagint version.

              If you had even a shred of common sense in your decomposed brain, you’d be able to recognize what is evident.

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “I don’t debate with you because you possess nothing but a decomposed, spiritually dead brain, and it’s not gentlemanly to kick an idiot.”

              Take a look around the room, Lou. Are there any heads nodding in agreement with you? Hardly. You condescend to snipe and scuffle with all manner of BIN riffraff. It’s just that in this case, you know you’ll be walked into corners from which, for you, there is no dignified escape.

              “But on behalf of other bigoted wretches such as Crowpie who actually think your mind rot posts makes sense, I’ll answer your question.”

              There’s the spirit! Now we’ll get somewhere.

              “You’re referring to 1 KINGS 13:1 which reads: “Saul was a child of one year when he began to reign, and he reigned two years over Israel.” [Douay Version of Old Testament]”

              Yup. It is THAT to which I refer.

              “Quote from Douay explanation of verse 13:1 — “This text is evidently the result of some confusion in the original Hebrew. It is not found in the Septuagint version.””

              WELL NOW!!! That really clears things up, dunnit? They blamed it on the Hebrew. How does that help the fact that Jerome mistranslated a verse as badly as he did? You just admitted Jerome botched it. So too did the source you just quoted admit that Jerome botched it. How is it that we then find the Roman Authorities making bold proclamations from the Council of Trent, as I quoted above? Who is wrong? Jerome was wrong – as much is now admitted by you. That means ROME was also wrong. It means as well that the translators of the Douay Version were wrong, being themselves dutiful slaves to the work of an agenda-driven man in the employ of an agenda-driven institution.

              “This illustrates why interpretations of the Bible by brainless bigots such as BS are worthless.”

              Um, Louis… What is it, exactly, that I have interpreted? And how on Earth does Jerome’s error reflect back on me, who has only dragged that error out into the light for many to see? What was my brainless bigoted fault again for doing that? And at what point did my interpretation enter into the equation? You have now begun arguing like a child.

              “All rational students of the Bible know that the Written Word contains a smattering of similar minor errors…”

              The Word of God contains no errors, Louis. ALL of the errors came later at the hands of agenda-driven men like Jerome and other lying scribes. The Word of God is perfect. You would know that to be true, if you stopped being Catholic that is. Rome holds you back from this simple truth because they can’t very well have you going ‘Sola Scriptura’ on them. You would see right through their lies in no time. You would have questions for them for which they had no answers. MYSTERY!!! It’s all a big mystery. [Not really. No, it isn’t. He has already given us the key to all the secrets. He tells us EVERYTHING, Louis. That is power He shares with us liberally. The more we study His Word, the more we learn.]

              “…most likely due to the fact that, until the invention of the printing press, Bibles were copied by hand.”

              Right-ee-ho. Your honor, the prosecution would like to enter EXHIBIT A: The Qumran Library. And enter the fact that modern Manuscripts are virtually verbatim for Manuscripts from 300 B.C. So much for the sloppy scribe argument.

              “I don’t need to “regale” anyone with my “exegesis” on how Saul began to reign at age one, because he OBVIOUSLY DIDN’T.”

              Well. That is an admission I frankly never thought I would hear you make. Thank you for admitting the error in both the Vulgate and in the Douay Version.

              “That’s why the verse doesn’t appear in the Septuagint version.”

              What is why the verse doesn’t appear in the Septuagint? And you are correct that it does not, but how the hell does that excuse or account for Jerome’s error? Explain this fractured logic if you would.

              “If you had even a shred of common sense in your decomposed brain, you’d be able to recognize what is evident.”

              In that case, my decomposed brain must be past its expiry date. Because for the life of me I fail to see what tenuous connection you’re laboring to make here, if any. You just blamed the fact that the LXX does not contain the same flawed version of Jerome’s verse, for Jerome’s flawed verse? And what? Am I expected to be mesmerized by this brilliant attempt at sleight-of-hand? Brilliant, Louis. I use the term facetiously. To anyone else I wouldn’t have bothered explaining that. But to one who employs the kind of – I don’t even know what to call it desperate? – the kind of desperate deflection you just tried, I had better be ultra-clear here and from now on.

              Before right now I would have defended you as a sincere believer in your faith. What you just did terminated any belief I have in your sincerity. You are only sincere in your desperation to defend your tradition. That is a shame.

            • Mayhem

              Psst, Louis, tell yourself whatever helps you sleep at night but you, know, just as many others now know, the real reason you won’t debate Beef Supreme is not because he’s an idiot but because he’ll shred your catholic theology leaving you no legs to stand on.

              But good on you for not trying to duck the charges against your Douay-Rheims.

            • Louis

              Barnyard Beef — you have yet to make even a single point. Your arguments lack logic. You form conclusions that make no sense.

              Because your brain is decomposed, you can’t see that it’s dysfunctional. You’re like a body-rotted jalopy running on one cylinder.

              The web name “Beef Supreme” suggests an unnatural attraction to cows.

          • Damien

            A tomb is not the bowels olf the earth. Hades is.

      • Anonymous

        Christians and their rules and regs (laws), they sound just like the pharisees and the saducees of the old testament. They look so hard at printed words and TOTALLY miss the whole spirit of it all. And the fruits they bear sure don’t inspire me to look to the god they pray to.

      • Crow (hex)

        What about Lazarus?

    • Styer27

      Matthew 22:27. Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.”

    • Grimes

      The whole system is false, and not what you think.

      Stop Giving Them Your Consent to be mistreated.

      https://domoregooddeeds.wordpress.com/2015/11/16/we-the-people-do-not-vote/

    • Damien

      The thing about Jonah

      Is that he didn’t actually die.

      No death – would equal – No resurrection.

      • HereAmI

        Missing the point.
        Jonah’s story was an allegory, an adumbration, or foreshadowing, of the real event, which did involve death, and resurrection.
        Thus Isaac didn’t die either, but the place where he was spared, ie Golgotha, in due time became the place where the Lord Jesus Christ would not be spared.

    • Man

      so what does quoting bible verses have to do with it?

      I can quote harry potter all day but it doesn’t mean that is true

      • Michael Carrigan

        Jesus considered the Law and the Prophets to be scripture, the word of God. And if you consider Jesus the Son of God, then it is best to listen to him and his words.

        It is reported that when Jesus was tempted in the wilderness that Jesus answered Satan with scripture. One of these was powerful in its effect as a principle: man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceeds from the mouth of God.

        If the word of God is true, then quoting it does not make it more or less true. But scripture is also meant for teaching and encouraging fellow believers.

        Sure, critically examine the text. But for the word to speak to you, you must believe. As stated, without faith it is impossible to please God. If true then, faith is a necessary condition to please God.

        • Moog

          Matthew 5 18-21

          Confirms what you say,so de we as Christian obey the food laws,circumcision,sabbath on Saturday ?

          • A Freeman

            Why would anyone want to continue to be a CRIMINAL (Law-breaker) when the penalty for doing so is DEATH (Ezek. 18:4, 20, Rom. 6:23)? Breaking The Law/Commandments makes a MOCKERY of Christ’s Sacrifice.

            Who changed the Sabbath from being the 7th day of the week? God? Or men making God’s COMMANDMENTS of none effect with their Babylonian traditions of sun-worship on Sun-days? God said the Sabbath is a PERPETUAL sign and COVENANT (Contract) between Him and HIS children (Ex. 31:13-16). We are the children of whom we CHOOSE to obey (free-will). So if we’re not obeying God and His COMMANDments, then whose children are we (John 8:44 KJV)?

            And with regard to the PERFECT diet found in The Law, why would anyone want to consume animals designed to be garbage scows and vacuum cleaners? Are people really so selfish and IGNORANT that they can’t make the connection between eating UNCLEAN animals and cancer, heart attacks, etc.?

            People NEED to circumcise their hearts. Doing things our own way is what landed us in this mess. Doing things God’s Way is the ONLY Solution to ALL of our problems. It is very sad, but anyone who claims differently, and who continues to break His Law/Commandments will BURN (Mal. 4, Rev. 21:8). There will be NO exceptions. Christians really should heed Christ’s PERSONAL warning to them (Matt. 7:21-27).

            Please consider all of this VERY carefully.

            • Ambicatus

              ABDIEL FREEMAN BLESS YOU BLESS YOU BLESS YOU X 777! X AGAIN BY 10 TO THE POWER OF FIFTY!

              Sabbath (Seventh Day of the Week)

              This day was blessed and set apart by Elohim at creation (Ber. 2:2-3 / Gen_2:2-3). Later on it was instituted as the sign of the everlasting covenant between Elohim and His people, a sign that He sets them apart, an everlasting sign (Shem. 31:13-17 / Exo_31:13-17, Yeḥez. 20:12-20 / Eze_20:12-20). Sabbath-keeping is one of the Ten Words of the Covenant, standing forever, settled forever in heaven, founded forever (Teh. 89:34 / Psa_89:34, Teh. 111:8-9 / Psa_111:8-9, Teh. 119:89 / Psa_119:89). We would like to point out the following:

              (1) יהושע kept the Sabbath (Luk_4:16, Yn. 15:10 / Joh_15:10), and the women who were taught by Him still kept it at the time of Messiah’s burial (Luk_23:56).

              (2) Sha’ul kept it (Act_13:14, Act_13:42-44, Act_7:2, Act_18:4 & Act_18:11).

              (3) Ludia and the women kept it (Act_16:13).

              (4) In Heb_4:9 we are again reminded of the necessity of keeping the Sabbath!

              (5) Finally: After the end-time judgment has come upon this earth (Yesh. 66), and a new heavens and a new earth is established, we read in Yesh. 66:23 Isa_66:23 that the Sabbath shall still be kept!

              (6) Who then changed it to Sunday, in effect nullifying it? In Dan_7:25 we read of a horn, a sovereign (remember: in those days the gentiles regarded their sovereigns as deities). This one is often interpreted as being the Anti-Messiah, the enemy of the Chosen People. In Dan_7:25 we read that he would “intend to change appointed times (or, festivals) and law.” The RCC openly boast that they changed the Sabbath to Sunday. This change was preceded by Emperor Constantine legislating, in the year 321, that “the venerable day of the Sun” was to be kept as a day of rest. Remember: Constantine was a worshipper of Sol Invictus, the sun-deity. The “Church” soon followed suit, and in the year 336 (some give the date as 364), at the Council of Laodicea, Canon 29, the christians were commanded to observe the Sunday as well. Bishop Eusebius (270-338 CE), who worked with Constantine, admits to the Church’s decision to change from Sabbath to Sunday.

              OOOO BIBLE BE STROOONG ON BIN, HOWEVER SHALL THEY ESCAPE!

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44pMMX-m-Xg&list=RD44pMMX-m-Xg

            • Moog

              So when Paul said the those laws don’t exist anymore he was wrong …

              What do you make of the teaching of St Paul ?

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “So when Paul said the those laws don’t exist anymore he was wrong…”

              This is what comes from letting men and institutions do your thinking for you, Moog.

              Paul never said anything of the kind. But if he did, would you be so kind as to provide the chapter and verse in which he said it?

            • Williams

              Acts
              5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
              5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
              5:31 Him hath God exalted with His right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
              5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

        • Man

          “how do you know god is real? the book said so.

          Why do you think the book speak the truth because god said so”

          You do know that the scriptures are more than just the bible… the bible are just the parts that have been selected by the council of nicea.

          how great is a book when everyone quotes different verses to confirm their alternate beliefs?

          • Ambicatus

            Man, i can give you a few simple reasons that you can research further yourself:
            take for example ,the first seven words of the Hebrew Bible –

            ‘In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.’ (Genesis 1:1)

            These seven Hebrew words were purposely intended to rest on an independent and meaningful substructure.
            Every letter making up that sentence is also a number. And in this Creation account are found patterns of numbers and inter-relations of numbers that are, frankly, quite boggling. But in Hebrew, every letter was a picture, as well. The shape of the picture told a story. And the sound of each letter also told a story. Thus the letters present us with pictures in words, shape, sound and number. That means that there are dimensions to this creation account which go well beyond the surface story.
            These dimensions include
            - the structure of the periodic table of elements
            - geometry (the tetrahedron, sphere and circle)
            - the value of Pi (p) calculated to 3 decimal places
            - the exponential variable
            - details of physics, chemistry, biochemistry
            - astronomical information (including the lunar month
            and year)
            - anatomy (the number of vertebrae in the human
            body, the major nerves in the human spine, the 46
            human chromosomes, DNA)
            - spirituality and relationships (including prescription
            for a happy marriage, love, a guide to meditation and
            prayer), and so on.

            So its pretty interesting.

            Here, a Literal English Translation, because Hebrew is very difficult, and sarcastic.

            http://www.isr-messianic.org/

            • Man

              yeah genesis doesn’t really work unless you are very lenient in interpretation… The Hindi Veda’s has more scientific numbers in it

              remember… plants can’t come before light…..

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “…genesis doesn’t really work unless you are very lenient in interpretation…”

              Yeah? How so? What is it in Genesis that requires leniency?

              “…plants can’t come before light…”

              Grass, herb-yielding seed and the tree yielding fruit were made on the Third Day. The Third Day comes after the First Day, wherein God said: “Let there be LIGHT…” …and there was light.

              Is there some problem with this order of things, in your estimation, that requires leniency?

      • HereAmI

        HP makes no prophetic staements, thus it is only inspired by human imagination.
        Need I go on?

    • Nanar

      so in the end…nobodu knows who and what is god…
      Because the only thing we do is give “it” a human face.

    • marianne

      You are mostly right….

      I have one exception for now:

      judah was part of the 12 tribes, so you cannot say Judah or Jews are not part of israel….

      god is referring to all 12 tribes, not just the southern kingdom.

      at the time of jesus, it was jews he was preaching to….the southern kingdom (benjamin + judah)…he told them to go out and reach the others that were dispersed…..which was the northern kingdom.

      so all jews are Israelite, but not all israelites are jews, from judah

    • qman

      Who are you? I am asking the author of this article. Are you a 7th Day Adventist or a Jehovah Witness?

      • TRUTHY1

        Maybe He doesn’t realize that he is also a heathen who gives reverence to the Egytian moon god Yah. http://nuwaubian-hotep.net/docs/yah/yahh.htm Yah was the Idol they brought back from Babylon by the thousands ! It is the bull,Golden calf !

    • Celt

      I Like The Myth That Shows The Ignorance Of All Religions… Those That Believe They Die And Go To The Heavens As A Reward… To Meet Up With All Those That Passed Before Them… NO WHERE IN SCRIPTURE DOES IT SAY ONE DOES… Ye 99 Percent Believe They Do… As 99 Percent Of The Preachers Preach It… As The Blind Lead The Blind To Death… The Taste That Remains For IGNORANT Ones…

      • Moog

        So what is the truth?

        • Williams

          Moog: So what is the truth?

          In speaking of the Truth, Henry David Thoreau once said: “Any Truth is better than make-believe … rather than love, than money, than fame, give me Truth.”

          Winston Churchill is quoted as having once said: “Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened.” Just as a bell that has been rung cannot be “unrung”, the annoying problem with the Truth is that, once you learn it, you can not “unlearn” it.

          http://jahtruth.net/truth.htm

      • Big dog.../small fish...

        Well at least in christianity HEAVEN doesn’t pretend that there are 72 virgins waiting for all the ‘male’ souls… Funny, if a female suicide bomber dies – does she have 72 men to entertain her???

    • Peter Jennings

      The present bible is what you get when you take multiple ancient texts and carve them up to fit a vatican’s fantasy. Christians took what was already there and smothered it, sometimes literally by building massive structures over already ancient and sacred sites and then claiming them as their own.

      Some of the bible stories have shown up on tablets from Sumeria, the christian church pilfered them and put their own christian characters in the place of the originals. It’s called plagiarism. It’s no wonder the church has been coveting the blind faith attributes of their followers and pushing them as examples.

      There was obviously a Jesus who lived around that time. He may have been a carpenter, and if so you would have thought a lot of his work would have been looked after and handed down to survive into the present day. But we have absolutely no evidence of his carpentry skills.
      My guess is that Jesus was not broke and had the time to travel. He didn’t pop into history until his late twenties/early thirties so where are the accounts of his early years?

      He obviously became sick of seeing a certain race with all the council seats mistreat and rob its society. So became an activist against their usury and fought for common decency. He was then set up and presented to Pilot because he was interfering with business. Pilot was to release Jesus because he wasn’t a threat but eventually left him to the fate of the councillors, who had been raking it in until Jesus popped up. End of story and end of taking a stick to the usurers at the temples.

      JMHO.

      • Moog

        Well said Peter …. I came to the conclusion of a carve up myself and stepping outside the church and looking for historical facts….

        It left me with the question in the end that if we had some divine international we could easily sort all this mess out once and for all

        • BEEF SUPREME

          The Scriptures are without flaw. Neither did any Vatican, or any other Roman authority, have ANYTHING to do with selecting or compiling Scripture Canon.

          You are wayward, Moog. You’ve allowed yourself to become misled by the traditions of men. You don’t trust the Scriptures, but you do trust the sources that tell you not to trust the Scriptures? How have you allowed that to happen to yourself?

          • Ambicatus

            The NIV bible did it. i have seen its effects on people, its badly changed and has spells on it, thes paulians got shanked by der wescott an hort greek transation which they channelled. the NIV.

            o, and BEHOLD< as a nice lady with poodle hair, beats up the devil,

            AUNTY GAIL

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHfE3nzx5p0

            Moog got zapped by der NIV/Goodnews/newwhatwhat

            • CrowPie

              Paul here is saying nothing more or less than Christ when he answered the disciples of John the baptist and the disciples of the Pharisees:

              Luke 5:36 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment [the words of Christ, the new covenant] upon an old [Torah]; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old
              Luke 5:37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles [trying to make Mat. 5-7 agree with Torah] ; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
              Luke 5:38 But new wine must be put into new bottles [because they have very little in common]; and both are preserved [To do what they are both designed to do - (Romans 3:31) “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.” And yet, it is still true, (Galatians 3:25) “But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.” Both are preserved. "The law [will always] bring us to Christ, [at which point] we are no longer under the schoolmaster.”]

              Knowing how hard it is for the flesh to understand the things of the Spirit, Christ could safely predict that:

              Luke 5:39 No man … having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old [Torah] is better.

              So it is to this day.

              As we have quoted above, Torah forbade the Israelites to offer an offering or to keep the festivals anywhere but in Jerusalem. ‘The True Bread from Heaven’ told the Samaritan ‘woman at the well,’ contrary to Torah:

              John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
              John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we [Christ and those in Him] know what we worship: for salvation is of the [inward- Romans 2:27-28] Jews.
              John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. ["The law is not of faith" (Galatians 3:12) and "without faith it is impossible to please God"( Heb. 11:6)].

              These statements are contrary to the teachings of Torah. I will believe Christ.

              http://www.iswasandwillbe.com/christandtorah.php

            • BEEF SUPREME

              You quoted:

              Romans 3:31

              “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we ESTABLISH the law.”

              ESTABLISH = ΙΣΤΑΝΟΜΕΝ, present tense, indicative active verb, variant of G2476 ΙΣΤΗΜΙ (histēmi)

              A prolonged form of a primary word στάω staō (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses); TO STAND (transitively or intransitively), used in various applications (literally or figuratively): –
              ABIDE
              APPOINT
              BRING
              CONTINUE
              COVENANT
              ESTABLISH
              HOLD UP
              STANCH
              STAND BY (stand forth, stand still, stand up)

              Compare G5087.

              Again, there is NOTHING in this verse which says the Law no longer stands. Rather, EXACTLY the opposite is what we see.

              “Knowing how hard it is for the flesh to understand the things of the Spirit, Christ could safely predict that: Luke 5:39 No man … having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old [Torah] is better.”

              So who added the word TORAH to that verse? Did you? You can’t do that. Neither can anyone, translator or otherwise, without violating the Commandment NEVER to do that. There are reasons for His Commandments. The fact is this: Messiah DID NOT SAY what you just attributed Him with having said. He never said it.

              “As we have quoted above, Torah forbade the Israelites to offer an offering or to keep the festivals anywhere but in Jerusalem.”

              Where the TEMPLE abides, there is the offering given. Paul tells us where the Temple abides.

              “‘The True Bread from Heaven’ told the Samaritan ‘woman at the well,’ contrary to Torah…”

              This statement betrays a very serious discord with what is actually written.

              “These statements are contrary to the teachings of Torah. I will believe Christ.”

              You cannot believe the KING without you believe His WORD. You cannot believe the KING without you believe His TORAH. These are inseparable. And if you do not believe His Torah, then you do not believe Him.

            • CrowPie

              I believe the fullness of His Word. That includes the verses that say the old law waxeth old, is obsolete and dead.

              I cannot in good conscience ignore those verses. I don’t understand how anyone who believes Christ is Lord can ignore them.

              I see Fear in those who will not let go of the Torah and practice only the Ten Commandments (which btw are covered in Christs Commands) and the other forty Commands set forth by Jesus.

              You may accuse me of not believing if you like. I count it a blessing.
              But I fear you are missing an essential element in this area.

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “I believe the fullness of His Word. That includes the verses that say the old law waxeth old, is obsolete and dead.”

              This is a very serious problem CrowPie, this penchant for changing the words of Scripture. Now then, here is the verse you indicate, as it actually exists:

              Hebrews 8:13

              ἐν τῷ λέγειν Καινὴν πεπαλαίωκεν τὴν πρώτην τὸ δὲ παλαιούμενον καὶ γηράσκον ἐγγὺς ἀφανισμοῦ

              In that He saith, A new (covenant), He hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

              Note well the fact that the word for Law, the Greek word NOMOS (νόμος), appears nowhere in the verse, despite the fact that you have artificially inserted it. Rather, it is the covenant which is old and ready to vanish away, as we see clearly explained in verse 10:

              Hebrews 8:10

              For this is the COVENANT that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people

              COVENANT = G1242 διαθήκη diathēkē

              From G1303; properly a disposition, that is, (specifically) A CONTRACT (especially a devisory will): – covenant, testament.

              Clearly then, we see that it is the CONTRACT that God made with His people that is old and ready to pass away. It is NOT, and again this is crucial, it is NOT the LAW – His Instructions, His Torah – which He gave to Israel at Mount Horeb. CrowPie, Israel CONTRACTED to OBEY the Law. The Law itself is NOT the contract. The Law itself is NOT the Covenant. This is a very clear matter expressed in Paul’s Epistle to the Hebrews. Israel BROKE the contract. They BROKE the Covenant. God is therefore perfectly righteous to terminate that contract and it is His prerogative to replace it with something new.

              “I cannot in good conscience ignore those verses. I don’t understand how anyone who believes Christ is Lord can ignore them.”

              You are misinterpreting the verses, CrowPie. You are changing the words on the page to make them fit with preconceptions you harbor in your mind. This is no way to glean an accurate understanding of the Word as it exists. There is nothing in Scripture, anywhere in either of the Testaments, which tells us the Torah has been abrogated or made obsolete in ANY way, shape or form. Paul never said it. Messiah never said it. No one ever said it. The verses that you show here in support of your suggestion, to the contrary of Scripture, you have changed. You add words which do not exist in the Word of God. There is a reason He said we cannot do as you are doing. He would protect us from the errors of the traditions of men, which errors your vision has become clouded by. If you would let the Word do the teaching, without importing meaning into the verses that does NOT exist in Truth, then you would see the matter set before us with clarity.

              “I see Fear in those who will not let go of the Torah and practice only the Ten Commandments (which btw are covered in Christs Commands) and the other forty Commands set forth by Jesus.”

              And is your vision as clear as it is when you read the Word of God? I suggest to you here again that what you think you are seeing is not what exists in Truth.

              “You may accuse me of not believing if you like. I count it a blessing. But I fear you are missing an essential element in this area.”

              I’m not accusing and I’m not addressing you with my opinion, CrowPie. I am reading to you the Word of God, without changing it to say what I want it to say.

            • CrowPie

              2 Cor 3:7

              But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
              2 cor 3:6,17
              Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
              16Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.…

            • CrowPie

              That last verse was 1 Corinthians 3:16.

              Those verses….all….run pretty contrary to the TORAH.

              You want to run them down?

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “Those verses….all….run pretty contrary to the TORAH.”

              Is that so? Then perhaps you would like to explain, in detail, how it is that the verses, in part or in whole, ‘run contrary to the TORAH.’

              The claim is yours. The burden is yours. I see no contradiction at all. So if one exists, I will need you to show it to me.

              “You want to run them down?”

              This is emotion getting the better of you, CrowPie. Is consulting the Greek language tantamount to ‘running down’ a verse in your mind? Well it isn’t is mine. Rather the opposite is true. If we want to wrest the most CORRECT meaning from the verses of the written Word, then we are beholden to our King to employ ALL of the various tools our Father has seen fit to shower us with abundantly in these latter days.

              If you expect to stand up in an argument like this one, then you had better bring the goods. You jumped in front of me, CrowPie. I never went after you. I make it a point not to engage you in discourse such as this because I know you to be led by your anger very easily. I am not (at the moment) being led by anger, to even the slightest degree. I will resist what I believe to be a fundamentally flawed and intrinsically dangerous argument with every ounce of energy I have. And I have not even begun to resist, CrowPie. I have made this argument for many years. I have seen the absolute truth of it revealed to me time and again. What I will run down are your interpretations of these verses if I find your interpretations to be flawed in the face of the Word. Your argument is inconsistent because it posits that HE WHO DOES NOT CHANGE, has not only terminated a code of Instruction that He once referred to as ‘abiding’; but He will also RE-INSTITUTE that code in the coming Millennium. This is contrary to who He say He is.

              Your ball, sister.

            • CrowPie

              ” because I know you to be led by your anger very easily”

              This statement alone tells me that you don’t know me at all. You misinterpret practically everything you’ve read. We as humans bring to the table our own biases and then also we hear the biases of our friends. Who have you been listening too?

              I am rarely angry, rarely led and most often allow for others emotions far more quickly than my own. If you have made the assumption that I am angry…it is purely assumption.

              “Do you want to run those down?” Was not an insult, a character assignation or in anyway a reflection on you. It was simply my southern way of asking your opinion on the verses as compared to the old law in my local slang. I Forget sometimes that formalities are a must here…..

              In any case….I will do as you ask and make the comparison myself. It will have to wait for a day or so…..the Alabama vs Auburn game is about to come on in an hour or so….and as the female…..I have much work to do.

              Enjoy your day.

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “Who have you been listening too?”

              I listen to the sound of my own voice in my head as I read the words on the screen in front of me, and have done for several years now. If anyone is misleading me, it is him.

              ““Do you want to run those down?” Was not an insult, a character assignation or in anyway a reflection on you. It was simply my southern way of asking your opinion on the verses as compared to the old law in my local slang.”

              Then with this new information I will certainly readjust my previous view. I’m sure you can fairly easily perceive the reasons I received your statement in a light other than that in which you present it now. It sounded flippant to me; not Southern. I thank you for clarifying.

              “I Forget sometimes that formalities are a must here…”

              Clarity is important. The format in which we presently communicate is effective, but it leaves ample room for interpretation. Interpretation often manifests as misinterpretation. That’s what we do well not to forget.

              “In any case….I will do as you ask and make the comparison myself. It will have to wait for a day or so…..the Alabama vs Auburn game is about to come on in an hour or so….and as the female…..I have much work to do.”

              Very well, sister. At your leisure.

            • CrowPie

              Apologies for the extended delay. It has been a very unusual week.

              2 Cor 3:7

              But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

              Here the old law is referenced as ” the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones,”….correct? Yes..correct.

              2 cor 3:6,17
              Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

              Here we are informed the old law “killeth, but the spirit giveth”….Yes? Correct….yes. There is a distinct difference made between the old and the Spirit….

              But look at the beginning of the that verse…..it reads just so…” Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit:”

              Now ……..Why did He make them ministers of the New Testament rather than the Old Law if it is the Old law we are to follow? And why would He write a Law of Death upon our hearts if it “killeth” and the “Spirit giveth?” Seems counter intuitive, doesn’t it?

              16Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are…..

              You should use your spirit to think on this verse.

              Cause see….. this is something everyone here should know. Every Parent should know. Jesus never allowed His ‘theology’ to get in the way of His compassion. That is a concept that is not allowable in the old law…..just ask Capt Richard. If it were…..he would have read it, and be aware of it. But he doesn’t read the New Testament, now does he?

              Jesus didn’t die for a set of rules…He died for sinners. That in itself is totally opposite of the Old Law. If Jesus is the School Master…are you then following your teachers instruction? Or are you living under the “ministration of death” and not of the “Spirit?” It can not be both.

            • CrowPie

              Amazing…..I have to write a near incoherent post in order to get BIN to post a comment……

              I’ve tried for nearly an hour to post a decent comment…..finally I give up and try a incoherent rambling, babbling nonsensical pos…..and the moderators say, ” Yep, that’s perfect…accept that one.”

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “Here the old law is referenced as ” the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones,”….correct? Yes..correct.”

              You asked the question. Did you answer it according to the Word? According to both the Old AND the New Testaments, every word of every matter should be proved in the mouth of two or even three witnesses. [Right there is evidence that the Law abides. The Law mandated that a thing be confirmed in the mouth of two or three witnesses. But Paul, likewise, in the verse quoted by me below, commands the very same thing. Now if THAT portion of the Law has in no wise passed away, why should we think that ANY portion of the Law has passed – and to think so without confirming witness, as you do here several times in a single post?]

              Here then, from the very same Epistle of Paul you just quoted:

              2 Corinthians 13:1

              This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

              Every word shall be established. So how about these words: διακονία τοῦ θανάτου??? Those are the words translated as ‘ministration of death’ in the verse (2 Corinthians 3:7) as you just quoted it. Here then is the witness you owe: You owe a second (if not a third) witness for the Law of Moses being referred to as ‘the ministration of death.’ That, sister, is how we are to ask and answer a question like the one you just asked and answered, if we hope to do things accordingly as the Word of God instructs.

              You quoted:

              2 Corinthians 3:6

              Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

              And then wrote:

              “Here we are informed the old law “killeth, but the spirit giveth”….Yes? Correct….yes.”

              No. No correct. Here is the same problem you cause for yourself. You have no witnesses. Where is the Law commensurate with the Letter of the Law? The Law is the Law. Then there is the Spirit of the Law and there is the Letter of the Law. The Pharisees were of the Letter. Messiah was of the Spirit. Again CrowPie… your claim, your witness. Search the Scriptures for references to the Letter of the Law. Then see what you find. Here then, we are NOT informed that the ‘old law’ killeth.

              “There is a distinct difference made between the old and the Spirit…”

              There is a distinct difference made between the LETTER and the SPIRIT.

            • CrowPie

              ” The Law mandated that a thing be confirmed in the mouth of two or three witnesses. But Paul, likewise, in the verse quoted by me below, commands the very same thing. Now if THAT portion of the Law has in no wise passed away, why should we think that ANY portion of the Law has passed – and to think so without confirming witness, as you do here several times in a single post?] ”

              Stick with me…most of this will seem elementary, but there is a point. I promise.

              To fulfill never means to add or continue. Webster defines fulfill as to carry out a promise, to do a duty, to satisfy a condition, to bring to an end, to complete. Jesus Christ came to fulfill or to bring to an end the promises and prophecies concerning Him in the Law and in the Prophets.

              The Law that Jesus spoke of is not the Ten Commandments as many state it. but rather the Pentateuch (Genesis through Deuteronomy).

              And now, verse 18: “Till heaven and earth pass, nothing shall in no wise pass from the law, till all shall be fulfilled.” My friend, people are distorting, perverting and misinterpreting God’s word. Are you one of them? Jesus, in Matthew 5.8, said God’s word cannot be changed or altered till the earth and heavens pass unless God Himself fulfills His word. Jesus fulfilled the law (Genesis through Deuteronomy) when the promises and prophecies written therein came true in Him–even His death, burial, resurrection and ascension. Nothing of the law can be done away till Christ’s death and resurrection is fulfilled. I hope you are a bit free now. Let me expand it further.

              “These are the words I spake unto you, while I was yet with you that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures.” (Luke 24.44-45.)

              After Christ had risen from the dead, he appeared to His disciples in a room and said to them that all things which were written concerning Him in the Law of Moses, Prophets and Psalms must come true.

              The Law of Moses in this verse is not the Ten Commandments or the other laws God gave to Moses, but it is five books of Moses(Genesis-Deuteronomy) because the laws that God gave to the Israelites do not speak concerning Christ but rather there are some verses in the five books of Moses which speak of Christ, so also are the Prophets and the Psalms. They are all fulfilled in Christ in the New Testament. Let us study the Law, Prophets, and Psalms to see whether Christ had fulfilled those things concerning Him. I would like to give you two examples on each for time and space sake.

              Now concerning the Law: God promised Abraham, “And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou has obeyed my voice.” (Genesis 22.18.) How can we know that this promise is about Christ? The New Testament tells us in Matthew 1.1 that Jesus is a seed or descendant of Abraham. The descendants are many, even the Israelites. So, let’s go straight to a verse which says Jesus is the seed of Genesis 22.18. If we see it, then, Jesus has fulfilled the Law (Moses’ five books).

              Galatians 3.16: “Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds as of many, but as of one, And to thy seed which is Christ.” Do you believe it? Has Jesus fulfilled that promise? Thank God.

              Deuteronomy 18.15 says, “The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken.” It is the New Testament which teaches the fulfillment of this prophecy in Acts 3.19-26 that Christ is the prophecy who Moses spoke of. There are many verses in the five books of Moses (Genesis through Deuteronomy) which concern Jesus Christ and have their fulfillment in the New Testament.

              Now concerning the Psalms: David spoke in Psalm 22.18, “They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.” Is David speaking of himself or of someone else? Let us check John 19.23-24 which says, “…let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scriptures might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my garment among them. And for my vesture they did cast lots.” Are you following, how Christ fulfilled things concerning Him in the Law, Psalms and the Prophets?

              Another time, David spoke of Jesus in Psalm 16:10: “For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.” David was not speaking of himself. We can know the fulfillment from Mark 16.6-7: “And he saith unto them, Be not affrightened: ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him…” Read also Acts 2.22-28; Ephesians 4.8; 1 Corinthians 15.4. Did He come to destroy the Psalms? No.

              Now concerning the Prophets. The Messianic Prophet Isaiah prophesied concerning Jesus the Messiah: “He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.” (Isaiah 53.6-8.) Christ Jesus our Lord fulfilled this prophecy when he was before Pontius Pilate in Mark 15.3,5: “And the Chief Priest accused Him of many things: but. . Jesus answered nothing so that Pilate marveled.” Read also Acts 8.29-35.

            • CrowPie

              The prophet Micah also prophesied concerning the Messiah: “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” (Mlcah 5.2.)

              Matthew recorded the fulfillment in Matthew 2.5-6: “And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judea: for thus it is written by the prophet, And thou Bethlehem in the land of Judea, art not the least among the princes of Judah for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.” Read also Zechariah 11.12-13; Matthew 26.15; 27.1-10.)

              There are so many prophecies in the Law (Genesis through Deuteronomy), Psalms and the Prophets fulfilled in Christ. Have you now understood what Jesus meant when He said. “I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill”?

              Christians today are not bound, obliged or compelled to obey the laws or observe the rituals and practices of Old Testament religion. The Old Testament covenant was made between God and Israel, and it never included Gentiles in its scope. “And the Lord said unto Moses, write thou these words; for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and Israel.” (Exodus 34.27.) Gentiles are not included. It is boldly written in Deuteronomy 4.8: “And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this Law, which l set before you this day?” Read Deuteronomy 5.2-3 to meet understanding.

              The Prophets acknowledged that the old covenant was broken and destroyed by the Israelites themselves; so therefore God promised a new and spiritual covenant which is the New Testament. “Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that l will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the Land of Egypt; which my covenant they break; although I was a husband unto them, saith the Lord, But this shall be the covenant that l will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying know the Lord; for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord; for l will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.” (Jeremiah 31.31-34.) The question is: why did God promise a new covenant while the Old Testament is there? Hebrews 8.6-13 says, “But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless then should no place have been sought for the second.” It can be one or more faults found with the old covenant. I will give only one example to save time and space.

              Paul said. “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the books of the law to do them.” (Galatians 3.10.) He referred us from Deuteronomy 27.26. God added a curse to the law so that anyone who broke the law was accursed. We do not have to go to the law in our age, because God has delivered us from the old covenant and has translated us into the better covenant which is the New Testament.

              Specifically, the Old Testament law was done away at the death of Christ. “Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the notions of sin, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we are held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.” (Romans 7.4-6) Not only did Jesus die to abolish the enmity between Jews and Gentiles, he abolished in his flesh even the law of commandments contained in ordinances to reconcile us unto God by the cross. (Ephesians 2.14-16.)

            • CrowPie

              Some may say if we are not under the Old Testament law, then it is irrelevant and unimportant for us to study it, and for that matter, the Old Testament must be torn off and thrown away. No. That is not it, The Old Testament is of vital importance to those of us who live under the New Testament. It has been preserved for our study and spiritual aid. “For whatsoever things are written aforetime were written for our learning that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.” (Romans 15.4.) “Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.”(1 Corinthians 10.6-11.) God punished the wicked ones for our examples. The account of the creation, Noah. Abraham, and even the prophecies of the Messiah are all in the Old Testament. We are to build faith with these accounts because the Old Testament tells us that God blesses those who are loyal to Him.

              Jesus has freed us from the laws and rituals of the Old Testament. Laws such as the Sabbath, abstaining from meats, circumcision, animal sacrifices, etc. are all dead through Jesus Christ (Romans 10.4.) “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross…let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon or of the Sabbath days which area shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.” (Colossians 2.14-17.) Read also Hebrews 10.1,9.

              Now consider this question: Your body and your shadow (which is on the floor, ground or wall) which is a good thing? Body or shadow? If the law is a shadow of good things to come, then I am sure the said good thing is the New Covenant. Hebrews 8.6.

              “Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think anything as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit; for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.” (2 Corinthians 3.5-6.)

              Both testaments are from God; why then has God made us worshippers under the New Testament only? We shall be judged by the New Testament. (John 12.48.) In Matthew 17.1-5, God taught us that we should not listen to Moses and Elijah. but to His Son, Jesus Christ. Please, I advise you to read all of 2 Corinthians 3. It would help you know why we are not under the first covenant, because the letter which is the first covenant kills; the spirit which is the second covenant quickens, that is, gives life.

              If we are living under the Old Testament Law, why is it that there are so many priests who are not from the tribe of Levi? The Old Testament declared that the Levites formed the priesthood. “For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.” (Hebrews 7.12.) “He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.” (Hebrews 10.9.)

              Both the Old Testament Law and its worship were a shadow of good things which are the New Testament and its worship which were so come and now is.

              In Galatians 4.21-31, Paul gives an allegory of two women. They were Agar and Sarah, the two wives of Abraham. Paul says that Agar represents the Old Covenant and that Sarah represents the new. He reminds us that Agar is bearing children into bondage. This means that Old Testament worship is a bondage when we go to it. Paul continues to say that the bondwoman, Agar, was cast out which teaches that the Old Covenant has been cast out of the way. Moreover, he said. the sons of the bondwoman shall never be heir with the son of the free woman. This also explains that those who worship under the Old Covenant would not be heirs with those who worship under the New Covenant. I could understand from these verses that the Old Testament brings death unto us, but the New Testament brings life. We are not children of the bondwoman (Old Testament) but of the free (New Testament).

              “Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” (Galatians 5.4.) If you are ministering with the Old Testament; observing the Sabbath, giving tithes, burning incense, sacrificing animals as an atonement, or being justified by the law, then you have been separated from Christ our Lord, you have fallen from unmerited reward.

              “But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to being us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a school master.” (Galatians 3.23-25) If you are a school leaver, may I ask you the question: Are you still under your schoolmaster who taught you? Certainly no.

              I therefore conclude that we are not living under the Old Testament law because we would be judged by the New Testament only. (John 12.48) We are not to perform the rituals and not to obey or abide by the laws in the Old Testament. “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath the Father and the Son.” (2 John 9.)

              Now, you asked for four witnesses, correct? How many saw Christ after the Resurrection? The answer will be a great many more than your desired four witnesses.

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “Stick with me…most of this will seem elementary, but there is a point. I promise.”

              You know I’m with you, sister.

              “To fulfill never means to add or continue. Webster defines fulfill as to carry out a promise, to do a duty, to satisfy a condition, to bring to an end, to complete. Jesus Christ came to fulfill or to bring to an end the promises and prophecies concerning Him in the Law and in the Prophets.”

              Webster doesn’t get a seat at this table. Scripture defines Scripture. In all cases. At all times. We look up the word as it appears in the Hebrew or Greek, then we study that word, including the very tense and sense in which it is used in our particular instance. Then we look for all the other usages of that Hebrew or Greek word as it appears throughout the Bible. That’s how we lay this thing down and open ‘er up, CrowPie.

              “The Law that Jesus spoke of is not the Ten Commandments as many state it. but rather the Pentateuch (Genesis through Deuteronomy).”

              The Pentateuch (that is, the Torah) is an extrapolation of the Ten Commandments. The Torah expounds on the Ten Commandments. There isn’t a single example in the Torah of a statute or ordinance that does not fall beneath the all-inclusive pattern which is the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments can be thought of as a Table of Contents for the Torah. But beyond that, we can reduce things even further. Messiah said that ALL the Law (the Torah) and the Prophets hang on these two things: Love the LORD your God with all your heart mind soul and strength; and love your neighbor as yourself. So you might even say there are TWO Commandments – and you would be right. They are the Two GREAT Commandments. They cover all of the Ten Commandments, and the Ten Commandments cover all of the Torah. No exceptions.

              “My friend, people are distorting, perverting and misinterpreting God’s word. Are you one of them?”

              If I am, you would be a friend indeed to show me the error of my ways. But you do that only through authentic demonstration of the superiority of your argument. You do it by quoting Scripture and you do it by providing those required confirming witnesses. That’s the only way to do it. Opinions and hyperbole must be checked at the door.

              “Jesus, in Matthew 5.8, said God’s word cannot be changed or altered till the earth and heavens pass unless God Himself fulfills His word.”

              I’ve been studying the Scriptures for a long time, CrowPie. I have yet to come across any such verse. Please quote the verse which says: “unless God Himself fulfills His word.” It sure isn’t Matthew 5:8, which reads thusly:

              Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

              “Jesus fulfilled the law (Genesis through Deuteronomy)…”

              He did indeed.

              “Nothing of the law can be done away till Christ’s death and resurrection is fulfilled.”

              Sorry, Crowpie. That is not what the Scripture says:

              Matthew 5:18

              For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

              Now it might be a good idea if you stopped paraphrasing, and began immediately to post the entire verses which say what you claim they say. That’s a very good way to mitigate confusion. I try to do that very thing often. First I make a claim, then I post a verse or verses. If anyone asks me for additional witness, I post additional verses as well. The Scripture says:

              Until ALL BE FULFILLED.

              It does not say, until Messiah has died and is resurrected. That is not ALL. When His work was finished, Messiah said so. He said: It is finished. But MUCH prophecy has not been fulfilled. Many, many verses of Scripture contain prophecies yet future to where we are today. Heaven and Earth have not passed. All people and things have not been restored to their King. There is more to do. There is much more to do. Therefore, you should concede that a very sound reading of Matthew 5:18 would be that all things have NOT yet been fulfilled, and therefore one jot or one tittle of the Law have in no wise passed. A simple understanding of language demands that this is a perfectly acceptable understanding of Matthew 5:18. We have but to look out the window and see that all things have not been fulfilled. And if you demand to interpret the verse otherwise, then you must provide ample evidence to support your argument. When seeking for the truth of Scripture, our opinions should be inadmissible.

              You quoted:

              ““These are the words I spake unto you, while I was yet with you that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures.” (Luke 24.44-45.)”

              And you wrote:

              “After Christ had risen from the dead, he appeared to His disciples in a room and said to them that all things which were written concerning Him in the Law of Moses, Prophets and Psalms must come true.”

              So He did.

              “The Law of Moses in this verse is not the Ten Commandments or the other laws God gave to Moses, but it is five books of Moses(Genesis-Deuteronomy)…”

              CrowPie, there is only one Torah. There is only one Law of God. The Law of God is the Law of Moses. The Law of Moses is the Torah. The Torah is the Pentateuch, is the Law. They are the same. The Ten Commandments are given in the Torah and are expounded upon throughout the Torah.

              “…because the laws that God gave to the Israelites do not speak concerning Christ but rather there are some verses in the five books of Moses which speak of Christ, so also are the Prophets and the Psalms.”

              The Laws that God gave to the Israelites were given to them BY Christ. Many verses in the five Books of Moses speak of Messiah specifically. But every single aspect of the Law relates to Him as it relates to us – we who are the Body of Messiah.

              “They are all fulfilled in Christ in the New Testament.”

              They are. Messiah fulfilled the Law. Completely and perfectly. Nothing about that fact, however, means that because He did, the Law is now to be done away with. Because one Man has finished the race, does not mean that the race is over. Who will finish it next? Who will finish third? The race continues, sister.

              “Let us study the Law, Prophets, and Psalms to see whether Christ had fulfilled those things concerning Him.”

              That is not a point of contention which you need to demonstrate. I concede and agree that Messiah did indeed fulfill every aspect of the Law.

              CrowPie,

              One purpose for Messiah’s having come here to fulfill the Law was to show us by His deeds what obedience to the Law, according to the SPIRIT of the Law, looks like. The Pharisees were zealous for the Law. They weren’t slackers. They were doing the right thing. But they were doing it for the wrong reasons. A lesson in Scripture is that the right thing done for the wrong reasons is no different than the wrong thing done:

              1 Corinthians 13:3

              And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not love, it profiteth me nothing.

              The Pharisees were in error, because they were obedient to the Law for the sake of the Law. They were worshippers of the Law, according to the Letter of the Law. They were not worshippers of the Most High. They thought they could earn their justification. Messiah came to show them (and us) the error of their ways. Messiah was obedient to the Law – which is the right thing – for the right reasons. The Letter and the Spirit. The one ministers cursing unto death, because we will fail when we try to obey the entire Torah, which our fathers made a Covenant with the KING that they would do. They failed. And to be found guilty of the smallest portion of the Torah is to be guilty of ALL. Our fathers agreed to do something they could not do and they broke the Covenant they made with the Most High. That Covenant has been renewed. The Spirit of the Law minsters justification unto LIFE. Messiah is that Life, just as He is the Truth and He is the Way.

              We need to do even as He has done. We can never do it perfectly as He has done, but we have a Mediator between us and the Father to COVER our shortfall. Messiah’s Blood is the payment for our shortfall.

              We are searching for the Way. We can’t do that without obedience.

              That, sister, is the lesson of the Gospel.

            • Truthseeker

              crowpie

              I know how you like to assemble the words of Jesus Christ and obey them. I know to you they have replaced the Torah which include the commandments.

              here is Matthew 23: 1- 3

              1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

              2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:

              3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; —– but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

              You must admit these verses are very interesting as Jesus Christ does not change He is the same forever.

            • CrowPie

              “Sorry, Crowpie. That is not what the Scripture says:

              Matthew 5:18″

              Ahem…..are you really nit picking my typo after ALL THAT typing? :lol: Oh well…you seem to have figured it out pretty quickly without assistance, and you don’t seem to be disfigured for the extra effort, so……… :lol:

              “The Ten Commandments can be thought of as a Table of Contents for the Torah. But beyond that, we can reduce things even further. Messiah said that ALL the Law (the Torah) and the Prophets hang on these two things: Love the LORD your God with all your heart mind soul and strength; and love your neighbor as yourself. So you might even say there are TWO Commandments – and you would be right. They are the Two GREAT Commandments. They cover all of the Ten Commandments, and the Ten Commandments cover all of the Torah. No exceptions.”

              Wow, this is quite a leap from living under the old law. Where exactly do you find in the Ten commandments the bit about not eating pork or shell fish? I never read that in the ten commandments.

              ” He said: It is finished. But MUCH prophecy has not been fulfilled.”

              Jesus fulfilled all the laws requirement by his perfect obedience, taking upon himself the penalty and the curse of the law and with his dying rendered it inoperative for the believer (Rom.10:4-5; Heb. 8:13). To say one is going to keep the Old Testament law because of requirement is to ignore the work that Christ did in our stead in the New Testament covenant.

              As far as the word “fulfill” which many abuse, it does not mean to continue or reinforce. Matthew consistently used the word fulfill in a specific manner, once something is fulfilled there is not a future fulfillment. He quotes Isa.7:14 for the fulfillment of the virgin birth. Where he was to be born Micah 5:2, there is no awaiting for this to re occur in the future. To fulfill something means to bring it to a completion. It is used consistently this way through Matthews gospel (Mt.2:17,23, 12:17, 13:13,35, 27:9,35)

              Here are a few examples: Matt 2:15 “and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, “Out of Egypt I called My Son.”

              Matt 8:17 “that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying: “He Himself took our infirmities and bore our sicknesses.”

              Matt 21:4-5 “All this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying: “Tell the daughter of Zion, ‘Behold, your King is coming to you, lowly, and sitting on a donkey, a colt, the foal of a donkey.’“

              Matt 26:56 “But all this was done that the Scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.” Then all the disciples forsook Him and fled.

              All the Scriptures that Matthew writes about being fulfilled all mean a completion of something that is said. That something was prophesied or written and he fulfilled it or made it happen, bringing it to its end, having it come to pass.

              Jesus’ last words before he left are found in Matt. 28:20 “teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. Jesus after the resurrection continued with the apostles for 40 days. We find in Acts 1:2-5 “Until the time he was taken up after he through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles he had chosen.” “To whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God. And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; “for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “Ahem…..are you really nit picking my typo after ALL THAT typing?”

              Assumptions are another thing we should divest of when engaged in this search, otherwise we veer wide left or right every time. I thought you meant Matthew 5:18 and I addressed that as well, but I was not willing to assume.

              “Where exactly do you find in the Ten commandments the bit about not eating pork or shell fish?”

              Where is there anything about not eating shell fish in Scripture? It must be deduced. He tells us first what we MAY eat, and shell fish never makes the cut. In similar fashion, the Commandment must be deduced to include that prohibition. Which commandment? The First – Him only shalt thou serve. He gave the order, we obey it. The Fifth – Honor thy Father. By ruling it out, He said not to do it, so we don’t do it. And for all we know, the Sixth Commandment as well, because if He doesn’t want us eating it, there are going to be very good reasons for not eating it. (Imagine radiation accumulating in bottom feeding shell fish these days. We eat. We die. Thou shalt not kill. That includes ourselves. That is but one single possibility for His prohibition. He didn’t say why. He just let it be known that we were not to eat that particular type of creature.) The point is this – all of the statutes and ordinances fit beneath the heading of the Ten Commandments. No exceptions. No leap.

              “Jesus fulfilled all the laws requirement by his perfect obedience, taking upon himself the penalty and the curse of the law and with his dying rendered it inoperative for the believer…”

              ‘…rendering it inoperative for the believer…’

              That’s the part you owe confirming witness for. That specifically. Chapter and verse please. Better yet, pull up the very specific portion of the specific verse or verses which agree with that suggestion. CrowPie, if you prove that point, you will have carried the conversation. There it is. That is the key upon which this entire dialogue rests. You can’t just say it. You have to demonstrate it with Scripture. You haven’t done that. But in order for you to prove your argument is the superior argument, that is what you must do. And if you cannot… then you must reconsider your position.

              “As far as the word “fulfill” which many abuse, it does not mean to continue or reinforce.”

              Please take note of the following:

              This, your above point, is not in contention. You are defining the word ‘fulfill’ accurately. You are, however, completely failing to show anything in Scripture, anywhere, that says because He fulfilled the Law we don’t have to. That’s what you’re missing. The requirements of the Law are for ALL MEN. Messiah was the Son of Man. He fulfilled the requirements. We still have to. That is the point you consistently overlook. You don’t agree with that, I understand. But since it is your claim that by fulfilling the Law, Messiah made it so that we don’t have to – which Scripture never said – then you owe the confirming witness for your claim.

              You wrote:

              “Jesus’ last words before he left are found in Matt. 28:20 “teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.”

              Amen means ‘so be it.’ You just agreed to do what Messiah said. Messiah gave Moses the Ten Commandments at Mount Horeb. Messiah also expounded to Moses on the entire Torah. So why aren’t you trying to do as Messiah asked? He never changes, CrowPie. He doesn’t ask us for one thing one day and something completely different some other day. The same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

            • CrowPie

              ” I thought you meant Matthew 5:18 and I addressed that as well, but I was not willing to assume.”

              I think The Almighty has provided us with His loving Grace to cover such heinous things as typos. I find it amusing that you feel it necessary to concentrate on the little errors that our Creator might consider just a slip of the finger. :lol:

              “The point is this – all of the statutes and ordinances fit beneath the heading of the Ten Commandments. No exceptions. No leap.”

              After reading your interpretation of the Ten Commandments, I fail to see how you can possibly not apply that same exacting standard to His 50 Commands in the New Testament. But then I guess that is the issue….isn’t it. You read between the lines and never take a verse on face value. That being the case, I have to ask….How difficult is it to abide by all 600 some odd Old Testament laws?

              ““Jesus fulfilled all the laws requirement by his perfect obedience, taking upon himself the penalty and the curse of the law and with his dying rendered it inoperative for the believer…”

              ‘…rendering it inoperative for the believer…’

              That’s the part you owe confirming witness for. That specifically.

              Let me see how I can state this……..okay, here goes…….

              What do you think Paul is trying to say or do when he says we are released from the law, no longer under the law, and free from the old law?

              What doe you think he means when he states that it is to be used as an “ensample” for our education?

              And just for clarification, I have never said the old law was to be done away with…….you talk about all things falling under the ten commandments, but I have yet to see you have an indepth conversation on all of the commands Christ Jesus gave.

              You spoke earlier of the first commandment and how by exclusion it translates to ‘we can’t eat shell fish.’

              Well if your going to read between the lines on every verse as a literature professor would…..then you must do the same with the following verse and all others.

              26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

              John 12:26

              Now, those are the words right out of Jesus’ mouth. We are told by Paul that they are “ministers of the New Testament,’ not of the old….Why if Christ wanted everyone to follow the old laws….would they be ministers of the New Testement?

              I once heard it said that where your treasure is…..there will your heart be also.

              I take that to be on the Words of Christ. I have given many many examples of how and why we are no longer under the old Testament, and I can understand now……after reading your multi-faceted inclusionary and exclusionary method of interpretation (rather than taking the scriptures on their word) why you would insist such a theory to be true.

              I on the other hand, am capable of reading into and between the lines as the next avid student of literature. However, to insert your own interpretations and inclusion and exclusions into the Word is Warned against by jot and title. I believe you nailed me pretty hard on some typing issues in that very matter…….but your interpretation insertions are a different matter entirely.

              On the witnesses you keep asking for…….I have given them plenty of times…….but you do not see them in the verses I post.
              I suspect it’s because your not interested in finding them.

              It is plain to me now that you approach The Word with your brain and a level. I approach The Word with my heart and soul.

              Jesus said, “Seek and ye shall find.”

              I guess no matter ‘what’ is being looked for in scripture, or by what type personality…..if that person seeks….they will find.

              Maybe that is why The Lord will judge our hearts.

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “I find it amusing that you feel it necessary to concentrate on the little errors that our Creator might consider just a slip of the finger.”

              My job is to understand what you are saying, CrowPie. My job is not to try to figure out what you might have meant. If anyone is making an issue of your ‘typo’, it is you.

              “After reading your interpretation of the Ten Commandments…”

              I don’t have an interpretation of the Ten Commandments. You asked what falls under which. I answered you. At no time did I offer you any interpretation.

              “I fail to see how you can possibly not apply that same exacting standard to His 50 Commands in the New Testament.”

              Have you tallied His Commands in the New Testament? I haven’t. I’ll take you at your word that there are 50. Are you suggesting I disregard something Messiah said in the New Testament just because I attempt to obey His Commandments from the Books of Moses?

              “You read between the lines and never take a verse on face value.”

              You make the charge. You owe the evidence. I dare you to show me doing anything of the kind. Show me, CrowPie. Either that or I’ve just begun to doubt your sincerity.

              “That being the case, I have to ask….How difficult is it to abide by all 600 some odd Old Testament laws?”

              The Talmudists say there are 613 Old Testament Laws. There are not.

              I said, quoting you: “‘…rendering it inoperative for the believer…’ That’s the part you owe confirming witness for. That specifically.”

              To which you responded:

              “What do you think Paul is trying to say or do when he says we are released from the law, no longer under the law, and free from the old law?”

              That’s three things, CrowPie. Paul said ONE of those three things. You just invented the other two to suit your argument, because doing so is convenient for you. I have a problem with that; especially coming from someone who just accused me of interpreting verses to mean something other than what they actually say. One of us is playing fast-and-loose with the Word of God, sister. It isn’t me.

              Paul said (notice here how I provide Scripture, and not just my commentary on and additions to Scripture):

              Romans 6:15

              What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

              See how easy that is? I don’t interpret. I post Scripture. We are not under the Law. Now then, I have just said the exact same thing that Paul said. The Old Covenant had the Israelites ‘under the Law’ because they contracted to do everything the Law said. That was their agreement. They said ‘amen.’ That Contract became vacant when God replaced it with the New Covenant – after the Israelites broke every Commandment imaginable. I didn’t count them. But they were all broken. We have a NEW Contract. The New Contract asks us to believe in the efficacy of Messiah’s Sacrifice. The New Contract asks us to have faith. When we have faith, we are covered by Messiah’s Blood in that when we sin (which is to disobey the TORAH), we have an intermediary with God who will cover our shortfall. Thus, we are no longer under the Law, but are under Grace. What exactly do you think Messiah’s Blood covers and protects us from, sister? If the Law is done away with, or if we are no longer obliged to the Law, then what need have we of Messiah’s Blood? Do you say Messiah’s Blood did away with the Law? Then don’t say. Show me in the Word.

              Now then, I would also ask you to show me where Paul said we are:

              1. “…released from the law…”

              …and…

              2. “…free from the old law…”

              Failing that, then you are guilty of bearing false witness about the Scriptures and you have been found adding to the Word of God. That is significantly more serious than the charge you have leveled against me, which charge awaits substantiation by you. Failing substantiation, in addition to tampering with the Word of God, you have born false witness against a brother.

              “What (do) you think he means when he states that it is to be used as an “ensample” for our education?”

              Why haven’t you provided a chapter and verse or had the courtesy to post the verse or verses right here, where Paul supposedly says what you attribute him with saying? I have no way to counter your point until you at least cite a verse I can look up to see whether indeed Paul ever said anything of the kind you suggest. We’re talking about the Law, are we not? So what is ‘it’ in your above question? You wrote:

              “What (do) you think he means when he states that IT…” (Capitalization added)

              What is ‘it’? Here is what Paul said:

              1 Corinthians 10:11

              Now ALL THESE THIGNS happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

              And when we read 1 Corinthians 10:1-10, we find written very plainly that ALL THESE THINGS is a reference to those who were slain in the wilderness for their rebellion. There is a penalty for disobedience to the Torah. There always will be. Someone pays that penalty. Always. Messiah has paid it for us. But again, His doing so has in no way absolved us from our obligation to comply with His Commandments. Because He asked us to.

              “And just for clarification, I have never said the old law was to be done away with…”

              Yes. That is what you say. You just told me Paul said: 1. we are released from the Law; and 2. we are free from the Law. If that doesn’t mean the Law has been done away with, then what does it mean? Either we’re obligated to obey the Law, or we aren’t. There is only ONE Israel. There are only ONE people of the Most High. Anticipating your argument that the Law is still in effect for ‘the Jews’ and not for ‘us’; – if that is where you are going next – you will have no end of difficulties attempting to demonstrate that claim from Scripture. Because it cannot be done.

              “…you talk about all things falling under the ten commandments, but I have yet to see you have an indepth conversation on all of the commands Christ Jesus gave.”

              Meaning what, exactly? That my supposed lack of conversation about Messiah’s New Testament Instructions means that I hold those Instructions to be worth less than His Instructions in the Books of Moses? If you have a question to ask here, then perhaps you would be kind enough to ask it.

              “You spoke earlier of the first commandment and how by exclusion it translates to ‘we can’t eat shell fish.’”

              I said nothing of the kind at any time. What I said was that we may deduce that shell fish are not to be eaten from the Law:

              Leviticus 11:19

              These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.

              And if we deduce that He has (as you say ‘by exclusion’) forbidden us to eat shell fish in the Law, then I answered which of the Ten Commandments that ordinance would fall under.

              “Well if your going to read between the lines on every verse as a literature professor would…..then you must do the same with the following verse and all others.”

              You can call it whatever makes you happy. The Ten Commandments cover EVERYTHING in the Bible. Thus, it is natural that each and every statute and ordinance will fall under one or more of the Ten Commandments. And in fact that is precisely what we see, each and every time, as I said earlier, with no exceptions. But apparently you think this is an exception:

              “If any man serve ME, let him follow ME… and where I AM, there shall also MY SERVANT be: if any man SERVE ME, him will MY FATHER honour.” (Capitalization added)

              Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.

              “Now, those are the words right out of Jesus’ mouth.”

              Indeed they are. Do you find them to be incompatible with the First Commandment or the Fifth in any way? I wonder if you wouldn’t mind explaining exactly how it is His words here are incompatible with His OTHER words, spoken when He gave us the Ten Commandments.

              “We are told by Paul that they are “ministers of the New Testament,’ not of the old…”

              We are told by Paul that WE are ministers of the New Testament, not of the Old. Is that what you meant to write? If it is, then I have certainly answered the point you raise here. The Old Testament is the Old Covenant. That is the Old Contract; the one the Israelites violated. That Contract, that Covenant, that Testament, is no longer in force. [Bear in mind that the Old Testament of the Bible is so called because those Books explain to us what the Old Testament was. Therefore, I do not say here that the 39 Books of the Old Testament are now in some way defunct. They most certainly are not. Most of the prophecy in Old Testament Scripture deals with things yet to come.] Thus, what we are to be is ministers of the New Testament – as explained in the 27 Books of New Testament Scripture.

              “Why if Christ wanted everyone to follow the old laws….would they be ministers of the New Testement?”

              This is very important, CrowPie. Please pay close attention to this answer. We are to be ministers of the New Covenant – the New Covenant in His Body and His Blood; we are not ministers of the Old. The Old Covenant is defunct. The Old Covenant has been replaced by the New. The Old Covenant was an agreement between God and Israel. God agreed to bless Israel if they obeyed His Law. And He said He would curse Israel if they did not. Israel agreed to that Covenant:

              Exodus 19:8

              And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

              There it is. Right there. That is the ratification of the Old Covenant. The people of Israel agreed to the terms and they said they would abide by the Contract. But they didn’t. Israel breeched the contract. It was then within God’s right terminate that contract and replace it with something New. The Old Contract said the Israelites would obey the Law. The New Contract has Messiah covering for us when we cannot or when we do not obey the Law. We are ministers of the New Covenant. The Gospel is the Good News. We are to be messengers of the Good News that in Messiah we have a mediator with God who has paid the price for our shortfall – where we cannot or do not perfectly comply with the Law.

              “I once heard it said that where your treasure is…..there will your heart be also.”

              And you never heard me say otherwise. My treasure is in Heaven with Messiah the KING. Guess where my heart is. He has it. He bought it. He owns it. That’s why I try to do as He asks. As He commands.

              “I have given many many examples of how and why we are no longer under the old Testament…”

              But you have not once shown anything about us not being obliged to obey Messiah’s Law – the Law of God.

              “and I can understand now……after reading your multi-faceted inclusionary and exclusionary method of interpretation (rather than taking the scriptures on their word) why you would insist such a theory to be true.”

              My sense is that you have failed to hear much of anything I in fact did say.

              “I on the other hand, am capable of reading into and between the lines as the next avid student of literature. However, to insert your own interpretations and inclusion and exclusions into the Word is Warned against by jot and title.”

              Right. See above. Let’s see whether you can cover yourself with confirming witness. You can utter platitudes all day – but what have you really accomplished. You’ve accused me. You’ve acquitted yourself. Only one of us can show from the Word that his statements agree with what is written. You still haven’t even begun to make your case. Your case cannot be substantiated with the Word of God. And interpretation has nothing at all to do with it.

              “I believe you nailed me pretty hard on some typing issues in that very matter…….but your interpretation insertions are a different matter entirely.”

              You nailed yourself. You’re the one making something of your error. I made nothing of it because I refused to pretend I knew what you were thinking and that was it. I don’t know what you think. You have to tell me what you think. And when quoting Scripture, it helps if we quote the correct verses, especially when we’re not following our chapter and verse citations with the actual verse text, every time. The way I do.

              “On the witnesses you keep asking for…….I have given them plenty of times.”

              False. You have given none. And if you have, then quote yourself here and make me a liar. I can’t stomach that tactic, CrowPie. That’s the very tactic I have to deal with when I argue against atheists and other enemies of the Word here at this site. Show me. You have shown me nothing. You make a claim. You bring no witness. You speak for Paul. You bring no witness. You accuse me. You bring no witness.

              “It is plain to me now that you approach The Word with your brain and a level. I approach The Word with my heart and soul.”

              Platitudes. Why not just claim victory for yourself and pretend to have proven every single point you made when you have proven none.

              If you love the Word of God so much, then try being obedient to it. Do what Paul said to do. Show where Paul said as you claim. Make your case from the Word. Make a claim; post a verse. Make a claim; post another verse. That’s how it’s done, sister. I can do that. And I do. Can you?

              I don’t believe you can.

            • CrowPie

              Concerning Galatians 3

              The law was an essential step toward the ultimate fulfillment of God’s promises in Christ. Christ is the beginning, end and center of God’s plan.

              In Galatia the law was supplanting the central place of Christ. The churches were becoming law-centered. It was necessary, therefore, to put the law back into its rightful place. Its purpose is negative: to point out transgressions. Its time is limited: 430 years after the promise, until Christ. Its origin is mediated through angels and Moses: it does not provide direct access to God, and it divides Jews from Gentiles.Is the Law Opposed to the Promises of God? (gal 3:21-22)

              An understandable question in response to Paul’s stark contrast between the law and the promise (vv. 15-18) and his confinement of the law to a limited role in God’s historical plan (vv. 19-20). People who were preoccupied with the supreme value of the law must have been stunned by such a devaluation of it. How could Paul speak against the law? Was the logical conclusion of his line of reasoning the position that the law stood in opposition to the promise? Absolutely not! says Paul. Since both the law and the promise were given by God, they must be complementary rather than contradictory in the overall plan of God. Paul explains the relation of the law to the promise in a two-part answer to the question. First, he presents a contrary-to-fact hypothesis that ascribes a positive role to the law (v. 21). Second, he turns from hypothesis to the reality of the law’s negative role (v. 22).

              In order to clarify the relation of the law to the promise, Paul poses a contrary-to-fact hypothesis: If a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law (v. 21). The very way that Paul phrases this hypothesis (as a contrary-to-fact conditional statement) indicates that he does not for a moment think the law can impart life. By life Paul means living in right relationship with God (see 2:19: “that I might live for God”). If the law could empower one to live in a right relationship with God, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. This was in fact the position of the rival teachers in the Galatian churches. They were promoting the law as the way to live for God. It was actually their position that set the law in direct opposition to the promise; it contradicted the gospel. For as Paul has already said (2:21), “if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

              It is only when the law is given a positive role that it is directly opposed to the promise fulfilled in Christ. You are faced with an absolute contradiction if you are told that only by believing in the cross of Christ will you be able to live in a right relationship with God and then you are told that only by keeping the law will you be able to live in a right relationship with God. And that is precisely what the Galatian believers were being told by the rival teachers. But Paul does not accept the false hypothesis of a positive role for the law. Since believing the gospel has already been proved to be the only way to receive life in the Spirit and righteousness (3:1-18), such a positive role for the law is excluded.

              The strong adversative conjunction but at the beginning of verse 22 indicates that Paul is turning from the unreal hypothesis of a positive role for the law to the reality of the negative role of the law: but the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin (v. 22). In reality, the law has the negative function of condemning everyone. Literally, Paul says that “the Scripture imprisoned all under sin.” Probably Paul has in mind Deuteronomy 27:26, the specific Scripture he quoted in verse 10: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” This citation from the law summarizes the purpose of the law: to demonstrate that all are sinners and to put all sinners under God’s judgment. Paul’s emphasis on the universality of human sin (v. 22) and the universality of God’s judgment on all sinners (v. 10) reduces Jews to the same status as Gentiles–the whole world is a prisoner of sin. So identification with the Jewish people by circumcision and observance of the Mosaic law does not remove one from the circle of “Gentile sinners” (2:15) and bring one into the sphere of righteousness, blessing and life. Rather, it leaves one imprisoned under sin.

              But we are not left as condemned sinners under the curse of God. The law was given to show that all humanity is held under the bondage of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe (v. 22). Now we can see how the law and the promise work in harmony to fulfill the purpose of God. The law puts us down under the curse; the promise lifts us up in Christ. We are left with no exit under the condemnation of the law so that we might find our freedom only by faith in Christ. The law imprisons all–both Jews and Gentiles–under sin to prepare the way for including all believers in Christ–both Jews and Gentiles–in the blessing promised to Abraham.

              The law prepares the way for the gospel. But neither should the law be viewed as if it were the same as the gospel. The law has a negative purpose: it makes us aware of our sin. But it does not, indeed it cannot, set us free from bondage to sin. The promise of blessing comes only through faith in Christ.The Law Is a Jailer and a Disciplinarian (3:23-25)

              If your interested in finding just the Commands given by Jesus, they are easy to google.

              I have explained my view of this topic. For someone who accused me of being led by anger, you appear to be guilty of the same. Your accusations against me are unfounded.

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “The law was an essential step toward the ultimate fulfillment of God’s promises in Christ.”

              The Law IS an essential step…

              “Christ is the beginning, end and center of God’s plan.”

              Agreed.

              “In Galatia the law was supplanting the central place of Christ.”

              Foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you? There were Jews who were trying to bring the new believers in Galatia back under the Law. Paul ripped them for that, saying, ‘Do you wish to be back in bondage to the Law?’ The First Covenant gendered bondage to the Law, as Paul explained in Galatians chapter 4 with the comparison between Ishmael and Isaac. The New Covenant gendered liberty from bondage to the Law.

              “The churches were becoming law-centered.”

              Indeed.

              “It was necessary, therefore, to put the law back into its rightful place.”

              Indeed. Back into its rightful place. The Law could not impart righteousness to men in that it was weak through the FLESH. That means the weakness wasn’t with the Law. The Law is perfect. The weakness is in men. Men cannot abide by the perfect Law perfectly. It simply cannot be done. Messiah alone was able to do it. We will never be able to do it while we inhabit these bodies of flesh.

              “Its purpose is negative: to point out transgressions.”

              Negative, you say? I would say the purpose of God’s Instruction (His Torah) is to teach. That is what instruction generally does, is it not? Is instruction in some way implicitly negative? I think not.

              “Its time is limited: 430 years after the promise, until Christ.”

              That is not what the Scripture says:

              Galatians 3:17

              And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the Law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

              The Covenant came 430 years after the promise. This verse says nothing about the Law lasting for only 430 years. Please read again, CrowPie. Observe also alternative translations and observe the verse in a word-for-word interlinear, Greek for English. Paul here says that the Law could not and did not supplant the promise to the Hebrews. The promise came first, but it was a promise and not a contract. The contract is an agreement. A promise is not an agreement – it is a gift.

              “Its origin is mediated through angels and Moses: it does not provide direct access to God, and it divides Jews from Gentiles.”

              I concur with that entire statement.

              “Is the Law Opposed to the Promises of God? (gal 3:21-22)”

              Galatians 3:21

              Is the Law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a Law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the Law.

              No. The Law is not opposed to or against the promises of God.

              Galatians 3:22

              But the Scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

              “An understandable question in response to Paul’s stark contrast between the law…”

              Wait a moment. Something’s not right here. It sounds to me as if you plagiarized this entire post. Let’s see. YUP. You swiped practically the entire thing. Uncredited:

              https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/commentaries/IVP-NT/Gal/Understanding-Law

              That’s not only dishonest sister, it’s downright duplicitous. Because you’re having a tough time in a Scripture dialogue does not give you license to steal or license to lie. And don’t give me any crap about forgetting to credit the source from which you stole, because I already noticed your final words to me in the post. At the conclusion of the material you plagiarized, you wrote:

              “I have explained my view of this topic.”

              You have, have you? That makes you a liar.

              “For someone who accused me of being led by anger, you appear to be guilty of the same. Your accusations against me are unfounded.”

              Are my accusations against you unfounded? Indeed it makes me angry when a brother or sister stops being sincere and honest as you have now done; not only in this plagiarized post but above as well when you refuse to hear sound argument from the Word because it does not fit with your ideas.

              Can I cross-examine the author of the material you stole? Can I ask him questions? Can I engage him in dialogue the way you and I were here engaged? No. I cannot. You started this dialogue, sister. Need I remind you? I gave you every opportunity to recall that decision from the beginning because I did not want to do this with you. I knew it would not end well, as now we see it has not. I don’t make it a point forcing my understanding of Scripture on you, do I? You tried forcing yours on me. And your understanding is provably wrong.

              This is both surprising and saddening. Your behavior is worthy of rebuke. Do I run out and find the best arguments I can find, arguments made by other men, when I need to make my own case? No. I stand right here and I argue personally and forcefully from the Word of God. Remember that.

              Consider your ways, CrowPie. Then consider your doctrine, which is about as honest.

            • CrowPie

              I find it very interesting that you can demand something that is against Terms of Service…..as I have been warned that posting links most certainly are…..against Terms of Service, or I would have done so….as I did at the TOP OF This Thread…..when I would post information that was not mine…..but I agreed with. I has been a habit of mine for some time to post links in these types of discussions.

              However,…I was warned not to do it again…..or face being banned.
              Why are you surprised that I would continue my habit of posting material that supports my view in whole or in part regardless of the warning?

              Did you not get the same warning? I have posted many links as have you……and now I cannot even share the material because you pretend that you can’t tell the difference between the way I type/speak…..and the above Posting? Hardly…I’m no where near that well spoken or that perfect in my typing abilities.

              The very fact that you thought…..that I would try and insinuate I wrote that is laughable.

              I Made a post that was copied and pasted on Galations. All you have to do is check it to see where it comes from….YOU think I DON”T KNOW THAT? Then the bottom line was my opinion….which stated that I had already written my opinion.

              So I had given you one I agreed with.

              Sounds like you are still making accusations divert from the subject……I never hid my need to lean on others typing…..especially when I would come right out and say here at the bins that “I was waiting for permission to share”…..it is only the missing links that you are using to make the accusation now.

              And all as a diversion. I don’t have to type everything myself for my argument to be correct.

              Those who are losing the argument turn to accusations.

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “However,…I was warned not to do it again…..or face being banned.”

              I. Do. Not. Believe. You.

              “Why are you surprised that I would continue my habit of posting material that supports my view in whole or in part regardless of the warning?”

              There’s a right way to do it. All you had to do was cover yourself with a link. But you would rather add lie upon lie and invent an excuse. Knowing me as you do, you would have said so right in the post, CrowPie. You would have addressed the potential from the outset. You chose deception instead.

              “Did you not get the same warning?”

              There is no such warning and you know it. When we click a link at this site, we are shifted to another page which WARNS us we are leaving the website. Then BIN gets credit for the traffic. You are being deceptive still. I know you are lying to me right now.

              “The very fact that you thought…..that I would try and insinuate I wrote that is laughable.”

              You took credit for it when you posted it as your own. You even took credit for it again when you wrote “I have explained my view of this topic” BENEATH what you plagiarized. Deception.

              “Sounds like you are still making accusations divert from the subject.”

              Right. Because I was having such a hard time dealing with your argument.

              “I don’t have to type everything myself for my argument to be correct.”

              That is exactly so. But you have to CREDIT the other author when you use his material as you damn well know.

              “Those who are losing the argument turn to accusations.”

              We’re finished here. Your deceptive tactics and lies are appalling.

            • CrowPie

              I said, “Sounds like you are still making accusations divert from the subject.”

              You said, “Right. Because I was having such a hard time dealing with your argument.”

              Thank you for finally being honest. It’ll be hard for you to change the meaning of Those two statements……… Practiced as you are.

              And I don’t post links after I’m told not too. Why are YOU able to do it without warning? :lol:

              BTW……I was done with you before I posted the commentary on Galatians 3.

              Many thanks to Bible Hub for their contribution.

            • Mayhem

              CrowPie said…

              “The very fact that you thought…..that I would try and insinuate I wrote that is laughable.”

              … and yet also said…

              “I have explained my view of this topic.”

              … which to my feeble brain indicates she is either lying through her teeth or forgot what she wrote only minutes earlier.

              “I” and “my” are possessives in Amercanese just as they are in Engrish or do you lot have different language rules kind of like the way ya’ll words are spelt funny?

            • CrowPie

              “I have explained my view of this topic.”

              This sentence would have been an unnecessary and redundant waste of time if I were trying to claim the commentary as my own writings.

              This incident alone should be an excellent example of how you would twist words in order to appear to be correct in your scriptural arguments, as well as in everyday life.

              You have been seen many times using this same argument against others that would not acquiesce to your opinions. It is a deceitful tactic which likely is the reason you accuse others of your own scriptural twistings…….and take opportunities to try and vilify those you cannot change.

              I will not submit to a charge that you well know is not true. Your cowardice in turning to unfounded accusations when your…how was it Beef stated the phrase? Oh yes, “I was having such a hard time dealing with your argument,” is the reason your turn to accusations.

              Because you cannot argue against the information I posted…..That is why you make the claim…….and of course the lack of a link which we all know are against Terms of Service. I posted links before…even in this thread and the one below…..

              You know my style of speaking and typing…..and I’ve been with you when you heckled contributors for stealing work and posting it as his own.
              But you both well know that I do not speak nor do I type in that style……Nor do I put Headers in my comments……as I did while introducing ‘Concerning Galatians 3′ that is the reference point of your unfounded and petty allegations.

              Your claims and accusations do not hold water under the true light of discernment……neither do your twisted teachings.

            • Mayhem

              Speaking of twisted teachings the reader might notice that Beef Supreme quotes his Bible then allows Scripture to define itself. Unlike CrowPie whose only witness (Paul) is required to contradict himself and/or other canon authors in order for the “true” message to be read from between the lines.

              I have argued this with, CrowPie, as has Beef Supreme and Truthseeker. We, all 3, make much the same arguments in much the same manner yet according to her we’re all lying.

              I expect the reader will have noticed that it is CrowPie who is twisting the word regardless she busies herself with accusing everyone else of doing so. The lady doth protest too much given she has failed to make her case on the basis of four, biblical, witnesses to none.

              Perhaps CrowPie would be happier with her own gospel where she could have the whole of the Law reduced to “Do as thou wilt”.

            • CrowPie

              Go ahead and defend yourselves as best you are able, Mayhem.

              I know how you must have the last word, and that clean up is your assigned task.

              Give it some real elbow grease……the truth is here for the reading, regardless of how much you jump about and flail your arms in protest.

          • Moog

            Galatians 3:10-13 — For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree.

            Any advice what bible do you use.

            • BEEF SUPREME

              Moog,

              Let us see whether there is something in this passage which YOU supplied that says what you claim Paul is saying. We’ll take it precept upon precept, line upon line:

              Galatians 3:10-13

              “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.”

              And so it is. He who would attempt to do as the Law says to do, and not to do as the Law says not to do, is required to do or not to do ALL that the Law requires. This means that if he offends in even the slightest part, he is found guilty of all. But nothing in this sentence says anything about the Law being abolished, canceled or otherwise done away with.

              “But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.”

              Note, Moog: NO MAN is justified by the Law in the sight of God. That is because man is inherently incapable of performing ALL that the Law prescribes, at all times. If man thinks he can do so, that is only owing to man’s flawed concept of who he is, and his understanding of his own nature. The just shall live by faith. By faith in what? By faith in the SALVATION of God. He who has faith realizes that he NEEDS God’s Salvation, because he himself cannot be perfectly obedient to the Law of God, even though he were to try with all his might. And who is the Salvation of God? Messiah the King is the Salvation of God.

              “And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”

              That is precisely so. IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, man could and would live according to the Law and he would earn his own salvation thereby. But man cannot do so, therefore he needs a Savior to pay the bill left owing for his shortcomings. The bill left owing for our shortcomings is indeed the curse of the Law.

              “Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree.”

              Messiah the King came and paid that price for us, thus freeing us from the CURSE of the Law – not from our obligation for obedience to the Law.

              NOWHERE here Moog, is anything said to suggest that we are not still BEHOLDEN to the Law. We OWE GOD our obedience to His Law. We must do everything we can to obey His Law. We will fail to obey it perfectly. This is a fact. But in the places where we fall short, we have a mediator with God who has paid the price for our shortcoming.

              The Law still stands. And Paul never said otherwise.

              “Any advice what bible do you use.”

              I prefer the King James Version as a decent translation (though certainly flawed in places, as all translations are) which is keyed to the concordances and lexicons (like Strong’s and Brown-Driver-Briggs) so that we can make simple work of word study. Every word in the King James is linked to a Hebrew or Greek concordance and given an H or G designation, followed by a four digit number. From there, additional avenues of research can be explored by seeking recourse to additional word study sources, often referenced by the concordances themselves. It is very important that we look to the original Manuscripts in all cases as a higher authority than translation, although there are even a few demonstrable corruptions that have crept into the extant Manuscripts over time. With effort, we can correct any and all errors and corruptions that exist in either the Manuscripts or the translations.

            • CrowPie

              “NOWHERE here Moog, is anything said to suggest that we are not still BEHOLDEN to the Law. We OWE GOD our obedience to His Law.”

              Indeed. Do you not consider Christs self sacrifice a ‘purchase?’

              Do you not consider Christ to be God, or the Bridegroom to the Church?

              If so…then why do you refuse his New testament commandments and continue to live under the rules and House of your father, child?

            • CrowPie

              “The Law still stands. And Paul never said otherwise.”

              “The law, Torah, was “added” only “TILL the seed [Christ - Galatians 3:16] should come.” Then what are we told becomes of the law? Does Paul say it is at that time utterly destroyed from the face of the earth? No, he does not. There will always be those who, generation by generation, need to be “brought to Christ.” Then and only then, “when faith is come [meaning after we have been 'dragged to Christ,' ONLY THEN are we told that] we are no longer under a schoolmaster.”

              “The “new” is new. If it weren’t “new,” then Christ would not have called it “new.” “The NEW agrees not with the old” (Luke 5:36), and it is “better” or it would not replace the old.

              Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
              John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
              1 John 2:8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.

              Did you catch that phrase, “true light?” True light is akin to “true bread from heaven.” The effect of the “true bread from heaven,” is to make the first ‘bread from heaven,’ “not that bread from heaven” (John 6:32).

              Hebrews 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
              Hebrews 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
              Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.”

              Like so many today, the Galatians thought they could retain the old covenant and still ‘be made perfect in the spirit.’ That is not possible. Here is how Paul frames this question:

              Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
              Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
              Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

              http://www.iswasandwillbe.com/christandtorah.php

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “If so…then why do you refuse his New testament commandments and continue to live under the rules and House of your father, child?”

              You are addressing me? I think you are. I also think I just explained that very thing above.

              “Do you not consider Christ to be God…”

              Do I not? And who gave the Commandments to Moses at the top of Mount Horeb? Was it not He? Indeed it was. And did He not also say to us in New Testament Scripture to obey His Commandments and to continue in His Word? What makes you think that he who works toward obedience to the Commandments is ignorant of His New Testament Commandments? Nothing could be further from the truth.

              “The law, Torah, was “added” only “TILL the seed [Christ - Galatians 3:16] should come.”

              Is the Law then against the Promises of God? God forbid. For if there had been a Law given which could have given life, verily righteous should have been by the Law.

              (But righteousness could NOT be by the Law. This is one of the lessons Messiah came to teach the Pharisees and to teach the rest of us as well.)

              But the Scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were under the Law, shut up unto the faith which should afterward be revealed. Wherefore the Law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.

              ***

              NOW I ASK you CrowPie – a student goes to school, under a schoolmaster… let us say a student goes to school to learn ARCHITECHTURE. That student then successfully completes his course of study and graduates. Does that student at once THROW OFF everything he has learned once he is no longer under his schoolmaster? Does that student go out into the world and to work designing large structures and simply reject, ignore or shun everything he has learned about HOW to properly design a standing framework which will allow men to occupy it once constructed and allow them safe ingress and egress? Again I say, nothing could be further from the truth. The student stands beneath a schoolmaster for the purposes of learning. Once learned, that knowledge is meant to accompany the student throughout the remainder of his days employed in the PRACTICE of the very course of study wherein he was INSTRUCTED. And the Law, that is to say the Torah, means INSTRUCTION in Hebrew. No one will ever be able to tell me that we flawed creatures are to cast off the INSTRUCTIONS of God, when God Himself entered into history and came here to SHOW US what proper implementation of those very Instructions looks like in practice. Which is precisely what He did. You are misunderstanding the teachings of Paul, Sister.

              “Like so many today, the Galatians thought they could retain the old covenant and still ‘be made perfect in the spirit.’”

              No. The crucial distinction you are missing is that the foolish Galatians had been bewitched in precisely the same manner as the Jews: They thought they could attain to perfection by perfect keeping of the Law. They thought something THEY DID would impact upon their Salvation. But nothing they DO impacts upon their Salvation via His Grace. FAITH leads to salvation; only, ever. Not the works of the Law. And this is critical. But the evidence of faith is SEEN by the works of the Law, without which, faith is a dead thing:

              Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

            • CrowPie

              Um…..my comment is …..he he…strangely enough….not being allowed here. I’ve tried to post it for ‘some time.’

              So……I posted it just above ‘us’……and just below, dick. :smile:

            • CrowPie

              That should have read…just below Richard. Sorry. :oops:

            • BEEF SUPREME

              I found you in any event. See above. Under, er, Richard.

          • HerusaAustsaAusar

            Funny.. since you previously brought up Genesis in retort to lewis or moog.. The Pyramid texts which are older than the bible.. Clearly tells us the exact same story of creation. now the texts..are actually on walls inisde a crypt in Egypt. Now beeferz, how 7-8000 year old bible stories get into a crypt older than the bible itself?? And no..you can search google for this crap like the bible tells you to .. The stories are so similar because the Isralites stole it from egypt along with proverbs etc… research people…sorry truth hurts..research. The bible is manmad written by people thru the holy spirit… and well we all know stories change over the years.. so man screwed it up…. It does have erors and also theft period… ps..the bible is a living testimony of where humanity choose to spend eternity..in hell

            • BEEF SUPREME

              “The Pyramid texts which are older than the bible.. Clearly tells us the exact same story of creation.”

              N O N S E N S E.

            • BEEF SUPREME

              You’re just another in a long line of folks peddling balderdash about supposed material that exists SOMEWHERE.

              Produce the material. OR, produce links to that material.

              Bring something to the table besides talk; besides myths about ghost tablets or wall paintings, or whatever.

              We have Scripture. We know when it was written.

              Your move.

            • Damien

              The POINT is that you (and Christians for thr first 1600 years) are saying that the whole of human history and prehistory is passing along the same existential view. The existential view that gaytheists say, if it were from ‘God’, would have ALWAYS been there. Being all that ever was.

              Beef Supreme says no. Along with the gaytheists who think that that eschatology wasnt all there was?

              You need to ask what else was there then?

      • TRUTHY1

        If you looked you could find accounts of the life of Our Savior The Messiah. Here is one example that has stories I’d bet you have never read before ! http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/lbob/lbob08.htm There are other eyewitness testimonies to be had if you really want to find them. Proverbs 25:2
        It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings. Matthew 7:6
        Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

        • HerusaAustsaAusar

          Beef… Do you’re own homework..the bible says so do your own..its called research.. even the bible says to search it out..so dont knock what you dont do or know… If you want the truth the bible says to search it out all things..buddy..no namecalling but my god is the god and only god. oh i even know his name… Unefer, nefer, ausar, osiris, neter, neberetchr king of kings, lord of lords…etc… look it up it only takes a few googles and to read beef…research… is it possible to rob from god??????? Look it up, better yet go to egypt and discount the proof yourself. Its all in stone and older than any bible reference

          • Chet

            “no namecalling but my god is the god and only god. oh i even know his name… Unefer, nefer, ausar, osiris, neter, neberetchr king of kings, lord of lords…etc”

            You forgot Hermes… Apollo… Shiva… baphomet …etc… and the beat goes on.

            Why follow the god and books of the dead HerusaAustsaAusar? Why not drink from the living water? What are you afraid of?

            “Beef… Do you’re own homework..the bible says so do your own..its called research.. even the bible says to search it out..so dont knock what you dont do or know… If you want the truth the bible says to search it out all things.”

            You’re starting to sound like MikeSavage HerusaAustsaAusar. Maybe you know he’s already done a lifetime of research already and you don’t want to look foolish in your chicken mask and gold dress?

            Why not just point BEEF and the other readers to some evidence for your claims since you are on top of it already? Should be easy enough. :roll:

          • BEEF SUPREME

            “Beef… Do you’re own homework…”

            Why are you hiding your response to me down here where I might miss it? Can’t you keep these conversations in order like everyone else? That’s just a simple courtesy we afford to our partners in dialogue and to anyone else reading our commentary.

            “…dont knock what you dont do or know…”

            Let me ask you something, friend. Do you think I would be bold (or stupid) enough to throw my own money into a challenge like I have, without first I had done my homework? Think again.

            “If you want the truth the bible says to search it out all things..buddy…”

            Indeed it does.

            “…no namecalling…”

            What, like hooplehead? Get over it. You were a squid in the USN. So was I. I can call you hooplehead if I want to. There’s no animosity behind it. And besides, hooplehead is much easier to say and to write than HerusaAustsaAusar.

            “…but my god is the god and only god. oh i even know his name… Unefer, nefer, ausar, osiris, neter, neberetchr king of kings, lord of lords…etc… look it up it only takes a few googles and to read…”

            Sorry, friend. You are selling a message my ears will not buy. I am the property of Messiah the KING. He owns me. He bought me with His blood. That is, after He created me. I will never take a knee at the altar of another EL. My King redeemed me from such mistakes. Don’t think I’m denying that your god exists, though. I’m not. Your god most certainly does exist. He’s written about fairly extensively in my favorite Book.

            “…better yet go to egypt and discount the proof yourself. Its all in stone and older than any bible reference…”

            My white American butt goes nowhere near Egypt at the moment. I am in no hurry to lose my head, thank you very much. I would like to have done, in more peaceful times. But why discount the study we are able to conduct from the privacy of our own computer desk chair in our own domiciles. For some reason or other, you think I’ve neglected even that. Therefore, I don’t think you’re really paying much attention to what goes on here.

      • Damien

        It is NOT called plagiarism. Arguing that it is plagiarism is called BRAHMINISM. So got any little black friends ya mediocre neckbeard wannabee?

      • BEEF SUPREME

        Peter Jennings wrote:

        “Some of the bible stories have shown up on tablets from Sumeria…”

        You see, Pete — the way you said that leaves you with wiggle room. I hate wiggle room. Let me take it from you. By saying what you said, do you mean to insinuate that the Sumerian tablets ‘showed up’ BEFORE or AFTER the Scriptures are said to have been written? In the case of AFTER, then your point would be moot and hardly worth communicating. But in the case of BEFORE, then I would call you on giving out BAD information of the vilest sort. I would also PAY YOU 10,000 dollars (US) if you can provide evidence or links to even ONE of these so-called Sumerian tablets from which the Bible supposedly borrowed or stole.

        I never get tired of hammering on this false claim of yours, which I hate. And I have NEVER, not once in six years time, been challenged by an advocate of this false claim in any meaningful sense. There has been 10 thousand just sitting on the table, waiting for someone like you to come and take it. And it’s been untouched for over six years. As it will, I expect, remain forever untouched.

        Bring it, Pete. Or knock off the lie.

        • Peter Jennings

          Visit some of the museums in England some time and ask to see them. The Sumerian tablets have been there since the 18th century. The story of Noah is shown on these tablets that predate the bible by some margin.

          I don’t need your money, keep it and take some time off.

          • BEEF SUPREME

            “I don’t need your money…”

            You know Pete, you’re hardly the first fella to say that to me.

            Why don’t YOU take some time off and see whether you can verify the lie to yourself. Don’t take anyone’s word for anything. Find these (supposed) tablets and learn what is inscribed thereon. Then learn the dates of the inscriptions. Then learn the truth.

            Until that day, perhaps you should stop peddling bad information.

          • Bill Lyle

            And it couldn’t be possible, Mr. Jennings, that more than one group of people wrote about an event? The fact that Sumerians wrote about the flood means nothing, in this debate. It’s merely a second account of the same event.

            • Peter Jennings

              It’s highly likely, however it’s the first and oldest account we have to date and as the one true god didn’t come into human consciousness until the Roman period. That means, along with Egyptian writings, they predate the bible, ie: before it was written or could be read, so how can it be a biblical story/event?
              It would be an event/story from Sumerian times or before that, and way before any christians.

              We are all looking for answers, but let’s not bulid foundations on the sand eh?

            • BEEF SUPREME

              Foundations on the sand?

              How about in the granite and the bedrock of the geological record. Which is to say, the global flood is a fact, written in stone. Literally. And we can read all about it in the record.

              Is it not very likely that more than one account of that event was recorded? Asked and answered, I know. And I will readily concede that the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh was written BEFORE the Book of Genesis. The problem is this:

              He who reads both of these works, if he is honest, will never agree that a charge of plagiarism or of uncanny similarity, is even mildly appropriate to the circumstances. The Epic of Gilgamesh and the Book of Genesis are NOTHING of a kind. The only similarity is contained in the fact that at some point, both works include descriptions of the same global cataclysmic event.

              That’s as close as it ever gets. There is no material on account of which (either from Egypt or from Babylon or from anywhere else) any serious thinking person would entertain a charge of plagiarism or literary stealing of any stripe, leveled against the authors of Scripture. The Bible is reliant upon NO exterior literary sources for its makeup. THAT is the point of my monetary challenge, Peter. Not whether or not you want or need ten thousand dollars.

          • BEEF SUPREME

            Who is this meant for? Did you read the article? Are boat making instructions what stands in today for Babylonian stories that supposedly contain details from which the authors of Scripture borrowed or stole?

            One wonders, since you didn’t say. I like to be very clear whenever I address folks, leaving little by way of doubt:

            http://thetruthwins.com/archives/14-cold-hard-facts-about-noahs-ark-that-you-probably-dont-know

            (…particular attention to the appended video…)

            • Moog

              Question for Beef Supreme,This is a genuine question and I would appreciate your view on this,I have had this question put to me by a friend and I am not capable of explaining it other than don’t read to much into it…

              “”You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive.
              —Genesis 6:19-20[1]

              In the next chapter, Genesis 7, God directly contradicts himself. Instead of two of every animal, male and female, God tells Noah to bring seven of every clean animal – although this is also read by many as seven pairs. How can one bring seven of some animals if he is already only bringing two of all animals? Genesis 7 also contradicts God’s statement in the previous book by stating that instead of two of all birds, seven of all birds were to be brought.

              “”Take with you seven of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, and also seven of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth.
              —Genesis 7:2-3[2]

            • Damien

              It’s telling you that the only clean animals are those with wings.

              It’s an ad for Red Bull.

            • BEEF SUPREME

              Moog asked:

              “How can one bring seven of some animals if he is already only bringing two of all animals?”

              Given that we are to consider God’s Instructions in their totality, there isn’t any contradiction here at all. There are many places in Scripture where His Instructions are introduced in one verse or passage, and expounded, clarified or even added to in other places. If it is HIM doing the speaking, as it is in the case of Genesis and the Instructions to Noah, then there is no cause for us to call Him for contradictions.

              Psalm 40:7

              Then said I, Lo, I come: In the volume of the Book it is written of Me…

              “Genesis 7 also contradicts God’s statement in the previous book by stating that instead of two of all birds, seven of all birds were to be brought.”

              Again, this is not a contradiction, but rather a follow-on Instruction. From beginning to end, God’s Instructions should always be considered as a single unit.

            • Damien

              Medina

              It’s telling you that the only clean animals are those with wings.

              It’s an ad for Red Bull.

              —-

              Edit: Red heifer

      • HereAmI

        The accounts of his early years are given in the preambles to some of the gospels.
        He is also mentioned as being in Jerusalem at the age of twelve. The Greek word mistranslated as “carpenter” is actually “teknos”, which is a workman – of some kind, not specified.
        And we might have a little more time for your arguments if you showed that you knew how to spell the name of the Roman procurator in Jerusalem at the time.

    • Amminadab

      The only chronology that can be reconciled with scripture on all points is the Friday crucifixion and Sunday resurrection. It is the only scenario in which the typical festival days and their fulfillment match exactly, without a single discrepancy!

      http://www.biblelight.net/pasover.htm#

    • Jay

      Isn’t Protestantism wonderful , founded by a a few greedy German Princes and a defrocked Monk who couldn’t translate Greek and Latin well. Protestantism has given the world a religion that enables everyone to make up their own stories , dogma and rules and to place themselves in a position of ultimate theological authority. All believing , they are the only ones that have the truth. They base this truth on a collection of writings that was put together by their arch enemy the Catholic Hierarchy under the leadership of the Roman Emperor Constantine . The only truth that Protestantism carries is that it was, is and will be nothing more then a Political movement i.e.( Henry VII e Cromwell etc). that in the modern era is crumbling under it own weight of misunderstanding , half truths and out right false scholarship . Protestantism has been all but erased in Europe or delegated to a secular tradition that is mostly practiced by senior citizens who are hedging their bets. The U.S. though behind Europe is following suit, with Protestant denominational Churches closing their doors because of lack of interest, Protestantism will enter the dusty shelves of history next to their brethren the Shakers, the Millerites, and a host of others. The new wrinkle that Protestantism is trying, is it’s embracing of Talmudic Zionism ,( which must have Luther spinning in his grave and it must produce both bewilderment and amusement to the Citizens of the secular State of Israel . They must be shaking their collective head muttering “what’s up with the goyim . In time all myths disappear, the Protestant one is doing so before our eyes. Like all nations Israel will also cease to be one day either by war or demographics this will be the final nail in the coffin of the Reformation since so many have tied their beliefs to an invincible and never ending Israeli state, At that point those who identify with Protestantism will finally come to the stark reality that they were wrong minded, a truth though a hard one for them to accept but truth nevertheless .

      • Damien

        Whats up fundie? Is Nanny state only gonna let you enforce a theocracy if it is ‘secular’ (WASP Zionist)?

        • The One True Satan

          A secular theocracy? Was that intended to be funny? To the slave pit, with you…..

      • Crow (hex)

        Correction: you should have said Henry VIII, who was a syphilis ridden, aldulterous, wife killer!

        • Moog

          A maniac with bad breath apparently 😀

          Not that anyone would tell him ……

    • Crow (hex)

      You’re just a boorish, wild, ruffian of a sicarii, you zealot!!!

      • Crow (hex)

        That comment was for Richard :lol: :lol:

        • BEEF SUPREME

          A good compliment, if ever there was one.

          • Ambicatus

            indeed, i like cobra, and haha you were nasty to cobra on the other post

            • BEEF SUPREME

              What? Where? BEEF nasty? Never.

              (Okay, sometimes. Often? SALT!!! But if the salt have lost his saltiness, wherewith shall it be salted?)

              And besides, I thought a cobra was a snake. I never thought a cobra would be a Bible-believer. The things we learn in the BINs.

            • Ambicatus

              xD Ja, i am greatly enamored by this BIN thing, BUT, i still aint seen anybody post stuff from uncle Bill, and arr matey, we be very salty arr

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFZfcicUaOY

      • Ambicatus

        O MY WYRD!

        WHy thank you, you smell like a wet snake! :D

        • Ambicatus

          cause like, ever smelled a wet snake? dont really smell like anything, :D hehe, i cant believe he just summarised me like that, as easy as that. :| but hes right, and i cannot den,y cept the “ruffian” part, i have not hit nor hurt anybody siince i got a suspended sentence, which still has 3 years afore is finished and i get some more “lives” looool south african law xD my crim rec. is over 5 pages now. xD

    • meh

      Really good article.
      Two books that talk about these same things, more than 30 years ago and the other book about 100 years ago.
      “Steppingstones” by James A. Scarborough (a college book, metaphysical written by a Physics Professor at DSU).
      and “Communication With the Spirit World of God, It’s Laws and Purpose” by Johannes Greber.
      I’ve seen them both on Amazon, and also at a website, GodsGrandPlan(dot) org.

    • qman

      I like to know where a person is coming from when they write an article. Please answer these questions. If you don’t want to post them, then please write me at [email protected]

      Who are you? I am asking the author of this article. Are you a 7th Day Adventist or a Jehovah Witness?

      Thank you for your replay

      • A Freeman

        Thanks for your reply and query qman.

        Your question has really already been answered.

        ALL organized religion was created by Satan to keep people AWAY from God. ALL means every single one; including every sect/denomination, etc. of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoism, etc., etc.

        ALL of them, including the two Christian sects you mentioned.

        Christ (the Spirit-Being Who is NOT OF THIS WORLD – John 17:5. 18:36) when He was here in the body of Jesus (the human born of Mary who definitely was of this world) 2000 years ago told us NOT to be rabbis, priests, imams, pastors, etc. (Matt. 23:8-10) and to STAY AWAY from them and their places of business (churches, synagogues, mosques, etc. – Matt. 6:5-8, Sura 7:55) because they are the (spiritually) BLIND leading the blind, leading everyone into The Pit, i.e. The Fire (Matt. 15:14, Mal. 4).

        Satan/Iblis uses organized religion to divide and conquer/rule. The division keeps everyone arguing over their own man-made doctrines instead of DOING what we’ve been COMMANDED to do upon PAIN of DEATH for THOUSANDS of years. When will people EVER learn? Stay away from ALL organized religion and their leaders like they’re the plague. They are.

        Isaiah 3:12 [As for] My people, children [are] their oppressors, and women rule over them. O My people, they which lead thee cause [thee] to err, and lead thee astray, TO THY DESTRUCTION.

        Christianity has the distinction of carrying Christ’s Name, and STILL people continue to refuse to DO what He teaches. Christ said “Think NOT that I came to destroy The Law” and yet most “Christians” ignore what The Master Teacher (Christ) says in favor of what they WRONGLY think a first year primary school student (Paul) had to say. Why would any rationally-minded person do that?

        Paul actually said that he was living by The Law himself (Rom. 7:25), that The Law was Holy, Just and Good (Rom. 7:12) and that he was establishing The Law wherever he went (Rom. 3:31).

        Keeping The Law was meant to be a schoolmaster to bring us to THE Master – Christ (Gal. 3:24). But in our own satanically-inspired arrogance and ignorance, we’ve decided we don’t need to go to school to learn anything because we know it all already. And Christ will just have to accept us “as is” (i.e. as hardened criminals/sinners who actually despise God and His Law/Commandments and refuse to be rehabilitated – see John 14:15, 21-24), which is ridiculous.

        Every other EXCUSE for not keeping The Law, which was given to us to protect us from evil and keep us FREE, is the result of a TOTAL misunderstanding the letters attributed to Paul, which are used by the churches to fleece their unwitting(?) victims. Paul had learned and was teaching “self”-sacrifice (the destruction of the ego/selfishness) and discipline exactly as Christ teaches (Luke 9:23), which is what everyone NEEDS to learn.

        Please see the article on Paul at the following link which describes this in detail:-

        http://jahtruth.net/noti

        Peace be upon you.

        • Ambicatus

          i like that “face the fire” Book. Everyone should read it and go “hmmmmm”
          and allow me to pre-empt the “Koran” argument, that book is for the sons of ishmael, and not for us, we have OUR Book, they have theirs, Father stirs up the medes an persians with it, they under a curse for being gross an sodomitic an whatnot so they must obey their up the garden path book, looool, comes out a cave, just like the catholic stories, This Bible stuff is really fun, i care for little else.

          • CrowPie

            “i like that “face the fire” Book”

            :lol: :lol: :lol:

            You Would! It’s the book that lauds Star Wars and a great many other works of fiction as works sent by God or ‘Divinely inspired’ by ‘JeDi” or to interpret, “jesus disciples.” :lol:

            Only a wonderfully brilliant writer/cult leader could pull off such a masterful work a fiction…..and have fools believe it! :lol:

            Face the Fire by Jah…..brain washing at it’s very best!

            • Williams

              CrowPie: Face the Fire by Jah…..brain washing at it’s very best!

              Brain washing, you say? Everyone today NEEDS their brains washing, because our brains today have become filthy dirty.

              Everyone should read The Way home or face The Fire.

              There are MANY good messages in Star Wars (original episodes) and the theme running through those films is undeniably spiritual in nature. It also shows the ongoing fight, between good and evil and what we need to be learning.
              http://jahtruth.net/starwar.htm

              Ever had a good look at Darth Vader? He is shown on screen wearing a fake “Breastplate of Aaron”, faithfully serving his emperor Satan, AGAINST the JEDI, symbolising the Black Pope perfectly:
              http://jahtruth.net/darth.htm

              If you were the extra-terrestrial Ruler and ‘King of the Universe’; Who had sent information CRITICAL to the survival of human+Beings, over thousands of Earth years, in exact and minute detail, and the relatively primitive inhabitants of Planet Earth had turned parts of it into nonsensical, ritualistic religious “rites and ceremonies” so that no-one read and studied the actual information with an open-mind and without applying incorrect preconsceived ideas to it anymore; how would you reach those people who deserved to SURVIVE?
              http://jahtruth.net/closeenc.htm

              Can God not use any medium He wishes, ncluding films (especially those that would end up being watched by great numbers of people – like Star Wars) and put His Messages in them, so it would be able to reach as many people as possible, if He so Wished? Of course He can and He has.
              http://jahtruth.net/movies.htm

            • Williams

              CrowPie: Face the Fire by Jah…..brain washing at it’s very best!

              Brain washing, you say? Everyone today NEEDS their brains washing, because our brains today have become filthy dirty.

              Everyone should read The Way home or face The Fire.

              There are MANY good messages in Star Wars (original episodes) and the theme running through those films is undeniably spiritual in nature. It also shows the ongoing fight, between good and evil and what we need to be learning.
              http://jahtruth.net/starwar.htm

              Ever had a good look at Darth Vader? He is shown on screen wearing a fake “Breastplate of Aaron”, faithfully serving his emperor Satan, AGAINST the JEDI, symbolising the Black Pope perfectly:
              http://jahtruth.net/darth.htm

              If you were the extra-terrestrial Ruler and ‘King of the Universe’; Who had sent information CRITICAL to the survival of human+Beings, over thousands of Earth years, in exact and minute detail, and the relatively primitive inhabitants of Planet Earth had turned parts of it into nonsensical, ritualistic religious “rites and ceremonies” so that no-one read and studied the actual information with an open-mind and without applying incorrect preconsceived ideas to it anymore; how would you reach those people who deserved to SURVIVE?
              http://jahtruth.net/closeenc.htm

              Can God not use any medium He wishes, including films (especially those that would end up being watched by great numbers of people – like Star Wars) and put His Messages in them, so it would be able to reach as many people as possible, if He so Wished? Of course He can. And He has:
              http://jahtruth.net/movies.htm

            • Ambicatus

              Hey lady! you only dont like it cause what it sez aboot chicks! haha!

            • CrowPie

              Actually….. My brother advised me not to read the book. He told me a great deal about it….and I take him at his word. He is a fine up standing Christian and he said that it was brain washing rubbish…..good for nothing but fire kindling….which he promptly did…..it burned quickly.

              If my brother calls it trash….it is definitely trash. BTW….he loved Star Wars and was highly offended that the Star Wars saga and many other great works of fiction were bastardized by the cultish author. It’s no wonder they don’t want to be known by their real name….they’d be ridiculed as a mental case.

            • Williams

              Crowpie,

              Understood. But that then, and also what you wrote here about it previously, is based only on your brother’s opinion of it and what he has told you (i.e. hearsay).

              Not everyone shares that opinion though. If you might be interested to see a differing opinion, and one of a woman who has read it, then you could check out the blog called “Time To Think” by Hannah Michaels.

              She has written many good articles, all worth reading in full. Her blog also contains several other good articles from guest writers, such as this one by Abdiel Freeman. Her blog can be read at the following address:

              https://hannahmichaels.wordpress.com/

        • Truthseeker

          Abdiel Freeman

          I am commenting a little late — but I wanted to comment on your statement above that THE LAW was the schoolmaster bringing us to Christ.

          In my own studies I have come to see the “schoolmaster” bringing us to Christ were the Sacrificial Laws that were ADDED because of transgressions. The terms of the Covenant are found in Leviticus 26: 1 -39 and there is no mention of sacrifices in the Covenant, they were added later.

          In Galatians 3: 24 speaking of the “works of the law” please read it from this perspective; “did you receive the Holy Spirit because he who laid hands on you offered a sacrifice or was the Spirit given by Faith?

          To my mind the 10 Commandments tell us what NOT do do thus there is no work involved, whereas offering any one of the 5 sacrifices found in Leviticus is very laborious and costly as well. Animal sacrifice is WORK.

          In Daniel 9: 27 when Christ was cut off i.e. bled to death as our sacrifice, the sacrifices and oblations ended. The Sacrificial law revealed to us the need for the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

          I liked your article and use the term “the 4000 flavors of confusion called christianity” and have nothing to do with any — I follow Jesus Christ as He follows His Father.

    • Damien

      The name Israel means “Champion of God”, so even if someone is a racial Israelite, i.e. among the British, Irish and Anglo-Saxon [(I)saac's sons – Saxons Gen. 21:12)] American people, if we aren’t keeping and enforcing God’s Law, to provide true Liberty and Justice for ALL, then we aren’t really Israelites. Not in the true sense of the word.

      —–

      I am not a ‘racial’ Israelite.

      They are EXCLUDED from my race.

      • Damien

        Israel is DESTRUCTION AND DEATH

        Don’t refer to my race as destruction and death (as in the non-Jewish Israelis and Christian Identity Muricans).

        • Ambicatus

          Yisra’el

          The name means to strive, to overcome, then rule with Ěl, given to Yaʽaqoḇ as a new name, when he strove, overcame with Ěl (Ber. 32:28 / Gen_32:28). See Overcome. Only the overcomers are going to survive in the Great Distress of the end-time, and according to Scripture, Yisra’ĕl, though they are to be tried and refined as silver and gold is refined, will yet be chosen – again! See Yesh. 14:1 / Isa_14:1, Yesh. 45:17 / Isa_45:17, Yirm. 30:11 / Jer_30:11, Yirm. 46:28 / Jer_46:28, Yo’ĕl 2:32 / Joe_2:32, Yo’ĕl 3:1 / Joe_3:1, Amo_9:8, Miḵ. 5:3-4 / Mic_5:3-4, Zeḵ. 1:16-17 / Zec_1:16-17, Zeḵ. 2:8-12 / Zec_2:8-12, Zeḵ. 8:3-8 / Zec_8:3-8, Zeḵ. 8:23 / Zec_8:23, Zeḵ. 9:9 / Zec_9:9, all of Zeḵ. 13, all of Zeḵ. 14, Rev_3:8-12, Rev_14:1-5, etc. Whenever Elohim refers to Yisra’ĕl in a positive way, it means true Yisra’ĕl. In Rom_ 9:6 we read, “For they are not all Yisra’ĕl who are of Yisra’ĕl.” Theologians speak of an Yisra’ĕl within an Yisra’ĕl, also called the “remnant.”

          These are the Yisra’ĕlites who believe and obey. These Yisra’ĕlites are those who are Spiritual, saved, living righteous lives. There are many Yisra’ĕlites who are carnal, who are not true Yisra’ĕlites. For instance, in Yirm. 9:26 / Jer_9:26 Yisra’ĕl is strongly reproved because their hearts are not circumcised.

          Yet Scripture repeatedly speaks of “the remnant of Yisra’ĕl” that shall return (turn back), “the remnant of Yisra’ĕl” that shall be saved. True Yisra’ĕl (the true Yehuḏim) are those whose hearts are circumcised, who keep the Law! (Rom_2:25-29, Deḇ. 10:12-16 / Deu_10:12-16, Deḇ. 30:6-8 / Deu_30:6-8). And the truly born again gentiles are grafted in among these Yisra’ĕlites who are Spiritual – those who no longer wish to sin, who no longer live according to the flesh (Rom. chs. 6-8).

          • Damien

            Israel is death. Stop appropriating the British races for Murican’s various Progressivistic own baby sacrificing death cults.

            • Damien

              Britons object to first born Baal cults too ya know!

    • Damien

      Where was Jesus 3 days before he was crucified?

      1 Peter 3:18-22

      18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive,[a] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—

      Prison :grin:

      • Damien

        My theory:

        Jesus’ descent into Hades began when the Father didn’t take the cup from him in the garden of Gesthemene and ended 3 days and 3 nights later when he tdeclared this to be so?

        The earthquake of the crucifixion is his RETURNING from the bowels of the earth (Hades).

        • Damien

          Separation fom the Father and into the power of the rulers and authorities of this world being the definition of Hades.

    • Moog

      Mr Beef Supreme would you look another question to mull over ?

      It’s late in my part of the world so I will be going off line soon

      • BEEF SUPREME

        I always have time for questions Moog.

        And I can always be reached off-site at:

        [email protected]

      • Mayhem

        Don’t fret the small stuff, Moog, i’ll sure be keeping an eye on this debate and i’m certain not to be the only one doing so if 200 clicks per hour is anything to go by.

        I look forward to your continued participation when you return.

    • Williams

      Genesis
      1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and REplenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

      As far as the ancient civilizations go, that we know little to nothing about, it is for a reason. There is no use in getting lost in what secret-knowledge they had, because they were destroyed for wickedness. “How many were the populations We utterly destroyed because of their iniquities, setting up in their places other peoples? (Sura 21:11). We did reveal to Moses the Book (Torah) after We had destroyed the earlier generations, (to give) Insight to men, and Guidance and Mercy, that they might accept warning (Sura 28:43).” The Holy Bible and Holy Koran hold all the knowledge and wisdom this generation needs to know now, today.

      https://hannahmichaels.wordpress.com/2015/01/05/evil-started-with-the-tree-of-knowledge/

      • Williams

        For some reason, this comment did not go where it was supposed to and ended up here. It was in response to what Medina wrote, above:

        “The POINT is that you (and Christians for thr first 1600 years) are saying that the whole of human history and prehistory is passing along the same existential view. The existential view that gaytheists say, if it were from ‘God’, would have ALWAYS been there. Being all that ever was.

        Beef Supreme says no. Along with the gaytheists who think that that eschatology wasnt all there was?

        You need to ask what else was there then?”

    • Moog

      Morning Everyone😀 In my part of the world it is!

      Question for you all who read this thread

      Creation or Evolution or a mix of both?

      Moog

      • Moog

        I will qualify this a little bit more we are told/know via the Genome project that we are least 60000+ years old and came out of east Africa

      • Bill Lyle

        Good morning, Moog.
        I don’t see why both theories can’t work together. A intelligent designer, creating a species that was intelligently designed to evolve. Evolution is a fact. Humans are not the only species to evolve from something else. You see it in just about every species of animal on earth. How that evolution started, is the real question. Did God create a species of Ape, that would eventually become Human? Why not? It makes more sense than the Garden Story in Genesis.

        • Williams

          Before his death, Darwin acknowledged that there was a “missing-link” and he admitted that he was wrong about the Adamic Race having evolved from apes.

          The TRUTH about Darwin and Evolution – http://jahtruth.net/evolut.htm

          • Moog

            It’s true Darwin had doubts,the human eye perplexed him and I am a believer in intelligent design …
            I watched the Ken Ham – Bill Nye debate with interest and do find the young earth creationist argument unbelievable… Evolution is visible in science

          • Moog

            35% of people are now born with out wisdom teeth it is thought those annoying wisdom teeth are a left over from when we had a bigger jawbone

            • Williams

              Moog: 35% of people are now born with out wisdom teeth it is thought those annoying wisdom teeth are a left over from when we had a bigger jawbone

              That could be, but it does not prove humans evolving. It is actually verifying the opposite thing happening, namely that over time, humans have been degenerating.

              This also fits Scripture perfectly, when you look at lifespan and how long people lived in the beginning (Adam lived to be 930 – Gen 5:5) and how the lifespan of humans became less and less as time went on. By Jacob’s time, it was already a lot less – he only lived to be 130 (Gen. 47:9).

              Today, this is down to maybe about 70 years or less.

              Humans have actually been devolving, not evolving. Even scientists (at least honest ones) confirm this, like John Stanford:

              See: Down, not Up – Genetic Entropy
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_edD5HOx6Q0

              He did research on this and found the results confirm The Bible account and fits it perfectly.

            • Moog

              Life exptancy is now longer Since the onset of the Industrial Age,we in the western world can expect to live well in to are 80′s and in the future it will be the 90′s

              That is fact… Better diet,living conditions and knowledge

            • Williams

              Moog: “Life exptancy is now longer Since the onset of the Industrial Age,we in the western world can expect to live well in to are 80′s and in the future it will be the 90′s

              That is fact… Better diet,living conditions and knowledge”

              Better living conditions may have helped affect recent life expectancy a little bit, but this is very temporary situation, Moog.

              Human DNA has been show to be deteriorating. Most of human DNA now is not “junk DNA” its dead DNA. And now with Fukushima’s and World War 3 going off, it will only get worse and FAST.

              King of kings’ Bible
              Wisdom 14:17. All flesh waxeth old as a garment: for the covenant from the beginning is, Thou shalt die the death. (Ecclesiaticus in the KJV)

            • Williams

              Correction: Jacob lived to be 147 not 130 – Gen 47:28

    • Williams

      Darwin

      Charles Darwin had a Christian background and was trained as a clergyman for the church of England.

      Darwin is quoted to have said “he was a young man of unformed opinions.” He had questions and confessed that he threw out queries and suggestions, wondering all the time over everything, and to his astonishment, his ideas took like wild fire. People made a RELIGION of them.

      Darwin did not really anticipate that his theories would gather such momentum. Furthermore, he was surprised that what was a matter of theory was treated as a matter of scientific fact!

      As Darwin lay dying, he was found to be reading the Bible opened to Hebrews. He was very concerned and desperately wanted to repent. In another report, he requested a lady to read the New Testament and arranged for Sunday school children to sing “There is a Green Hill far away.” When this was done, Darwin said: “How I wished I had not expressed my theory of evolution as I have done.”

      Source:
      http://dennisdamesonline.net/francis/Charles_Darwin.html

      Darwin seems to just have had some questions and did not anticipate that people would end up treating his questioning as being facts, and end up completely “going ape” over it (pun intended), like so many have done.

      And then, these people that spend their lives “going ape” over Darwin’s question (that he recanted on before he died) are touted as being the “smart” or “intelligent” ones that we all should believe. Instead of just believing God.

      This is a classic example of the typical type of human behaviour, that could only be possible within a lunatic-asylum.

      We are not apes, or descended from apes. We are not even “only-human” but are spirit-beings.
      http://jahtruth.net/wayad.htm

      • Moog

        I don’t doubt we are spiritual beings and that is what has brought me to God,there have been many things in my life that are as I say ‘beyond coincidence’

        As much as faith has taught me many things so has science and investigation…

        Have you read all of Jah truth ‘ Williams’ ?

        Women being subservient to men?

        How many lives has the work of Marie Curie and Rosalind Franklin saved

        • Williams

          “I don’t doubt we are spiritual beings and that is what has brought me to God,there have been many things in my life that are as I say ‘beyond coincidence’

          Agreed. There is no such thing as coincidence. Coincidence, it has been said, is just God working anonymously.

          “As much as faith has taught me many things so has science and investigation…”

          Understood. But it has to be Truth. If it is not Truth, then it is not real/true science (knowledge) either, but false-knowledge (lies). As in 1 Timothy:

          1 Timothy
          5:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and OPPOSITIONS OF SCIENCE (knowledge) FALSELY SO CALLED:
          5:21 Which some professing [to have] have erred concerning the faith.

          “Have you read all of Jah truth ‘ Williams’ ?”
          Women being subservient to men?”

          Genesis
          3:16 Unto the woman He said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be subject] to thy husband, and HE SHALL RULE OVER THEE.

          1 Corinthians
          11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

          Ephesians
          5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
          5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the community: and he is the saviour of the body.
          5:24 Therefore as the community is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in EVERY thing.
          5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the community, and gave himself for it;
          5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of [Living] water by the Word,
          5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious community, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

          Clearly, it does NOT mean treating women badly. It means being a REAL man (a gentleman) and obeying God.

          • Moog

            How about the story of Abigail and Her husband Nasal.

            Did she not disobey him and was rewarded by God ?

            • Moog

              Nabal I should say

            • Damien

              Feeling ……SILENCED yet Moog? :lol:

            • Moog

              I think I must live in a different world Madina

              Moogland is full of equality,harmony and some science :-)

            • Williams

              It clearly says in 1 Samuel 25 that Abigail was a woman of understanding, while Nabal was a foolish man.

              Obviously, a wife does NOT have to obey her husband if he is trying to get her to do evil. In that case, she should not.

              As proven by the fact, that God rewarded Abigail for listening to Him and doing what He wanted instead, and not doing the evil that her foolish husband Nabal tried to get her to do.

              This is not something that would be very hard to understand, for anyone who really wanted to. END>

    • Fridge

      This is what happens when you don’t rely on the Holy Spirit to understand scriptures.. a confused pharisee.

      Dear sir, humble yourself before God and ask His guidance and wisdom.
      Trinity, Jesus is God, Rapture is all real.

      hey dont believe me.. just ask God himself!

      sincerely,

      A person who was exactly just like you last year but now had been given wisdom to understand God’s will.

      PS: at least you know about rapture, when the bride of Christ is gone in 1-2 years time, YOU WILL KNOW the truth bro and it will set you free. you will not be able to rely on your money, intelligence, government, power etc.. but to rely on Jesus Christ through the great tribulation period. God bless you mate.

      • Moog

        There’s another problem Fridge

        40+ failed predictions of ‘end times’ since 30 CE

        • Bill Lyle

          There’s more failed “end times” predictions, in the BIN, on a weekly basis. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

          • Moog

            According to BIN were all doomed! :grin:

      • Truthseeker

        fridge

        To believe God needs to “rapture” you to HIS throne in heaven to “protect you” – tells everyone that “your god’s arm” is now shortened –He can no longer protect here on HIS earth. He has lost power.

        If you think you will be in the flesh in heaven you do not know the WORD of God and as is stated in 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 we are to be raised with an incorruptible immortal body and in Philippians 3: 21 those that are raised in that resurrection are raised with the same exact immortal body as Jesus Christ.

        Why then must the body of Christ be taken any where?? can anything on earth harm Jesus Christ??
        Absolutely not — and if the Saints of God are raised with the same exact immortal body as Jesus Christ neither can they be harmed by any thing in heaven or on earth. They can not die –they are immortal.

        Saying God must take His Saints off the earth to protect them from the Great Tribulation is simply another lie of Satan.

    • northern raven

      Abdiel Freeman missed the most important one; so-called Christianity was invented by Saul/Paul in contradiction to Jesus’ teaching and the consternation of the 12 Disciples. It should be called Paulinism, not Christianity.
      .
      http://geroldblog.com/2014/06/07/our-insane-judeo-christian-slave-morality/

      • Damien

        Judaizing Christianity had to wait a long time for Judaism to first emerge in the wake of Christianity before it could then try and Judaize Christianity away from what it was.

      • Williams

        While so-called Christianity is based on a gross misunderstanding of the letters attributed to Paul, it was not actually invented by Paul but was invented by one Simon Pater (not Peter), who is mentioned in the book of Acts:

        Acts
        8:9 But there was a certain man, called Simon (PATER), which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
        8:10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.

        Paul actually said that he was living by The Law himself (Rom. 7:25), that The Law was Holy, Just and Good (Rom. 7:12) and that he was establishing The Law wherever he went (Rom. 3:31).

        JAH wrote a complete explanation about Paul, which is available at :- http://jahtruth.net/noti

    • Williams

      The REAL Simon Peter – VS – Simon “PATER” (Magus) the Sorcerer (who started so-called “christianity” in Rome).

      “Simon Peter versus Simon the Sorcerer or St. Peter Meets the Competition!!

      This is a great expose by the late Dr. E.L. Martin. It documents the true history of the Samaritans, the meaning of the word “peter” in the ancient world and the “church” that was established at Rome by Simon the Sorcerer.”

      http://www.reformation.org/simon_peter_versus_simon_magus.html

    • Alan8

      He left out the biggest myth: That there’s a man with a beard in the clouds that cares if you’re naughty or nice.

    • Machelle Saephan

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