There is NO God in the Bible
Heresy you say? Perhaps, but perhaps not. I ran across this amazing website last week and I’ve been speaking about it on several of my one hour shows on Vortex Network News:
http://www.maurobiglino.com/research.php
The information presented by Mr. Biglino is to say the least – stunning! It’s very much in line what I’ve been speaking about for months on end on the Progressive Technology Hour – that humanity (i.e., Homo Sapiens) in the distant past was “Engineered.” Their can be NO question about it. Both evolutionist and creationist theories are contrived and concocted absurdities and MUST therefore be replaced:
“… What Mr. Biglino has found about the Origin of Man puts in crisis both the “Creationist” hypothesis upheld by Christians, both the Darwinist-Evolutionist Theory. In his books, Mr. Biglino suggests that a “third way” – an “Intervention Theory” – should be seriously be taken into consideration to explain the Origin of Man. …”
But there’s MORE! Mr. Biglino says:
“… The Bible speaks of a group of flesh and bones individuals, called the Elohim. The word Elohim was translated as “God” both in the Catholic Bible, both in the King James version. …”
The issue is simply this – that we’re NOT just dealing with what Mr. Biglino calls, “flesh and bones individuals,” but both Technically Advanced AND Spiritually Advanced Extraterrestrials. They have extraordinary powers such as telepathy, esp, mind over matter, clairvoyance, etc., etc… I can only describe this as Divine powers. So, we’re NOT just looking at an “Intervention theory,” but a “Divine Intervention Theory,” to say the least. It’s ironic that Mr. Biglino gives us the meaning of Elohim as “The Shining Ones”, “The Elevated Ones”, “The Powerful Ones.”
Jesus Christ himself said we are the offspring of the Elohim, the Gods! Quoting from the Book of Psalms, He clearly states this FACT in John 10:33. Again, a deliberate reference to OUR Extraterrestrial connection! Yes, Jesus knew the Truth.
In addition, Jesus Christ is said to be “Begotten, not made.” The word begotten means brought into being ‘from the substance of the Father.’ The Substance can only be one thing – DNA. The entire DNA material or substance was used – this is very important as you’ll soon see.
Now, in regards to how man was made, Mr. Biglino goes on:
“… The author of Genesis wants to tell us that the Elohim made man by using their “tselem.”
But what is the tselem?
And why was this specific point so important, to remark it twice?Tselem means “something material which contains the image, and which has been cut out from”.
The term tselem denotes not only “something” concrete and material, but it contains, in the original meaning of the Semitic root, also the concept of “being cut off from”.
The Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon, dictionary of Biblical Hebrew and Aramaic, under the term “tselem” writes the following definition: “something cut off”. The verbal root is translated as “cut off”.
What is that “something” which contains the “image” of someone, that can be “cut off”, that can be extracted?
In our modern times, one thing immediately comes to mind: the DNA. …”
My read regarding “being cut off from” simply means only part of their DNA was used. Meaning that NOT the entire DNA material or substance was used to make MAN as in the case of Jesus Christ. This partial DNA substance was then spliced into selected Hominids of the Earth to create a living “hybrid” creature, or creatures commonly known as Homo Sapiens. A simpler, controllable version of the Elohim, perhaps? Or should I say, NOT begotten, but Made (engineered), so to speak.
In Genesis (Generations of Isis) 6:1-3, a selective engineering program between the male Elohim and the female Hominids of the Earth occurs. A program that brings about Humanity on Earth, which leads to our current predicament of today – where are we going with all this??? Who is going to rule over the Elohim of the Earth?
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Exodus 12:12
For I will go through the land of Egypt in that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am Jehovah.
But you have to admit that this Jehovah guy is a pretty good guy!!!! LOL…
You hope to use your woefully limited human perspective to judge the virtually limitless Almighty?
Let me know how that works out for you.
There are two primary species on the face of the earth – MAN and hu-man beings. From the Gaelic/Hebrew tongue we have the word ‘Hu’ which means ‘serpent’ so Hu-man beings are serpent men. Yashua Anointed was known as The SON OF MAN.
The Devil had intercourse with Eve and produced Cain. Adam and Eve produced Abel (murdered by his half-breed reptilian brother Cain) and Seth.
This evidence is recorded in the Aramaic Targum(s) where it says this:
“And Adam knew that his wife Eve had conceived from Sammael the angel (of death) and she became pregnant and bore Cain. And she said: “I have got a man from the angel of the LORD.”
This evidence exposes the corruptions written in the KJV – the Freemasons Bible
Yes2”truth” wrote (again):
“The Devil had intercourse with Eve and produced Cain. Adam and Eve produced Abel (murdered by his half-breed reptilian brother Cain) and Seth”
This is a DIRECT CONTRADICTION of what is written in the Book
Genesis 4:1
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from YHWH.
“This evidence is recorded in the Aramaic Targum(s)”
Are you kidding me? And you accuse ME of being a Judaiser?
“This evidence exposes the corruptions written in the KJV – the Freemasons Bible”
Then go look at ALL of the extant manuscripts. This message you are bringing is a figment of your imagination and is not in ANY of the manuscripts, nor is it in the Septuagint which reads exactly the same as the King James Version based on the Masoretic Text.
Your assertions are completely unfounded and without merit, Crosby. As usual.
Extant manuscripts (your puffed up vain words not mine) that were corrupted by Tertullian and Jerome et al, not to mention the Freemasons responsible for the KJV.
“Your assertions are completely unfounded and without merit, Crosby. As usual.”
And your opinions are not worth a pile of excrement. The man with a throat like an open grave.
Would you care to suggest some connection between Tertullian, Jerome, and the Septuagint, Mr. Crosby?
The Septuagint is at least as old as the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Any other suggestions you feel might be useful for further consideration?
How many years between Moses and the other authors ORIGINALLY writing things down and the writing of the Septuagint? How long have Talmudic Jews – the Devil’s seed been in existense? Tell me if you know!! Hu-men who tampered with the original texts.
Who got their dirty little hands on the Dead Sea scrolls before the likes of you i.e. i dotters and t crossers, had even a glimpse of them? Rome.
You’re a fraud Dib and Judasing slimey scoundrel of the worst kind.
I’m sorry, Mr. Crosby…
Was there something in this above posting by you which was meant to lend credibility to something you’d said somewhere? I’m sure this type of banter carries significant weight in whatever schoolyard you come from. Unfortunately, if you would care to be heard by anyone with a modicum of reason and intellect, it will require something more than name-calling and your opinions.
I really am growing weary of wasting time with you. Originally I had mistaken you for a man with some integrity and at least an adequate mind. I am shocked at how badly I over-estimated you on both accounts.
Good day sir.
Everytime I expose you for what you are – a fraud, you come back with nothing but blathering opinion.
You have no answers for everything you believe is based upon your trust in the law and your own puny strength.
Not to mention your little theological chestnuts – “REASON and “INTELLECT”.
The Truth was foolishness to The Greeks – the intellectuals of the first century and it’s still foolishness to the intellectuals of the 21st century – Paul Vain Dib.
Ah my head hurts!
This is way, way beyond me.
Guess which one of these two gets me running to Gougle most? I could name several others who peak my interest also. yes2truth? Not so much.
I enjoy the debate as I get lots of encouragement to keep looking. Thanks.
@ middle aged mayhem
Yes you keep looking, but if you’re not called of The Father to His Son your studies will only be intellectual in nature and you will be forever arguing with others as does The Dog Dib. The fact that you’re less impressed by what Yashua Anointed is saying through me does not bode well for you.
@yes2truth. Thanks for noticing that.
I saw that and I would much rather have used the word interested and had saved impressed for when I was looking at Truth.
I will try to moderate accordingly.
smunents (men) from Old Prussian *dhghem- meaning “earth” and the extended form meaning, essentially, “earthling”, i.e. human. There were no snakes in the translation but there is a hint of space travel again with earth-man.
Exodus 12:12
For I will go through the land of Egypt in that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am Jehovah.
The proper translation of the term “elohim” is “a plurality of majesty.” It does not impute the existence of multiple gods. Elohim more specifically applies to one God in a multiple form, i.e., the Blessed Trinity. There is (and can only be) one God.
With regard to yes2truth’s nitwit claim that the devil had intercourse with Eve and produced Cain, the devil (who is a disembodied spirit) cannot have intercourse with humans and cannot produce new life. He is not endowed with that power. Anyone who thinks otherwise is obviously a Satan-worshiper who thinks the devil has more power than he actually does.
If “Yeshua Anointed” was the true Christ, then he would love the Catholic Church he founded. But since YA hates the Church, then “Yeshua Anointed” must be a pseudonym for Lucifer.
Conclusion: yes2truth = yes2Lucifer
Hey genius anonymous
Genesis clearly states that there were TWO SEEDS, one belonging to Eve and the other belonging to the Devil.
Gen 3:15 (KJV) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between THY SEED and HER SEED; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. (Emphasis mine)
H2233
זרע
zera‛
zeh’-rah
From H2232; seed; figuratively fruit, plant, sowing time, posterity: – X carnally, child, fruitful, seed (-time), sowing-time.
In the garden there were only three beings Adam, Eve and the Devil who was created evil as a serpent being – nowhere does it say that he was incapable of having sex with Eve. All that’s limiting this occurance from having taken place is your lack of knowledge, or is it your inability to add 1 and 1 together?
“… The Bible speaks of a group of flesh and bones individuals, called the Elohim. The word Elohim was translated as “God” both in the Catholic Bible, both in the King James version. …”
This is contrary to what is written in the Scriptures. Please show in the Scriptures where it is ever written that the elohim are “flesh and bones individuals”. This is not what is written.
“It’s ironic that Mr. Biglino gives us the meaning of Elohim as “The Shining Ones”, “The Elevated Ones”, “The Powerful Ones.””
It is ironic indeed that your trusted source has given you the definition of “NAHASH” in place of the definition of the Hebrew term “ELOHIM”. The ‘Nahash’ is the “shining one”. ‘Nahash’ is the Hebrew word which is translated as ‘Serpent’ as in: The Serpent in the Garden of Eden.
The ‘Watchers’ spoken of in the Scriptures are in all likelihood also the “B’nai Ha Elohim” (The Sons of ‘God’) and are also referred to as ‘Malak’ (or messengers). The Hebrew term ‘Malak’ is often translated as ‘Angel’. Angels are elohim. Angels of YHWH are elohim and fallen angels are elohim.
“Jesus Christ himself said we are the offspring of the Elohim, the Gods! Quoting from the Book of Psalms, He clearly states this FACT in John 10:33. Again, a deliberate reference to OUR Extraterrestrial connection! Yes, Jesus knew the Truth.”
Oh really?
John 10:33
The Jews answered Him, saying: For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself Elohim.
Am I missing something here? Where is the part where ‘Jesus’ claims that we are the “offspring of the Elohim?”
“In Genesis (Generations of Isis)”
Will your kind ever tire of this sophomoric game? “Isis” is mentioned in the Scriptures. “Isis” is antithetical to the Scriptures. Isis is one of the Ba’alim. Isis is Satanic.
“[In Genesis] 6:1-3, a selective engineering program between the male Elohim and the female Hominids of the Earth occurs.”
Have you any evidence to point to by way of a confirmation for this fantastic allegation? Of course you do not.
This article does nothing but play directly into the hands of a narrative. This is the narrative which it is becoming increasingly apparent will be the story told to us by the “Extra Terrestrial Creators of Humankind” when (not if) they arrive here. This is nothing other than the Satanic Narrative. This message is ANTITHETICAL to the message of the Scriptures. Embrace this narrative at your very great peril.
Such a long comment of meaningless intellectual babblings bearing no relation to the subect at hand.
Have sought that professional help yet that you obviously need?
There are five quotes taken directly from the article, then rebutted directly – suggesting as a corollary Mr. Crosby that your commentary of even the most mundane and ordinary is as meaningless as your commentary on the Scriptures.
You have long ceased being relevant. Perhaps you should retire.
Gen 3:15 (KJV) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between THY SEED and HER SEED; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. (Emphasis mine)
H2233
זרע
zera‛
zeh’-rah
From H2232; seed; figuratively fruit, plant, sowing time, posterity: – X carnally, child, fruitful, seed (-time), sowing-time.
This is a sound representation of a verse from Genesis 3:15.
Is there supposed to be some reason you posted this? Is this meant to convince anyone that Cain is the offspring of the Nahash, when YHWH has already spoken on the issue?
That’s your biggest problem, as far as I can see Mr. Crosby. YHWH speaks, and then you read a verse which in your mind contradicts the voice of the Almighty. So you disregard what HE has said in favor of your own interpretation of other words. I’m quite sure there is an oft repeated injunction in the Scriptures against doing that. But since when do you let a little thing like what’s written in the Bible stand in your way when you’ve made up your mind?
Repent.
It says two seeds or can’t you count?
HIS SEED – The Devil’s seed.
And HER SEED from Adam.
And you, a direct descendant of the Devil’s seed, tell ME to repent. Keep the jokes coming. LOL
Come on, make my day – tell me black is white, as you always do. LOL
You really are like a child in this regard Crosby. (And no, that isn’t what Messiah meant. He didn’t mean acting like a baby would get you into the Kingdom.)
I can see that there are here two seeds depicted Crosby. I’m not the one who has the hard time reading. Does this somehow lend credence in your mind to your preposterous assertion that Cain was the offspring of the Serpent?
YHWH has spoken on that subject Crosby. You can holler and shout until your nose falls off. I will never listen to you when you are in direct contradiction of the Almighty (which is almost always). In the face of His words, your words are as nonexistent.
Well now Mr Dib Dog. Let’s see if we can get your grey matter working intead of you parroting crap you have read elsewhere and tried to foist it on people as truth.
In the Garden I am only aware of three beings Adam, Eve and The Devil, and from these three beings we end up with two seeds which are clearly defined as physical offsping of BOTH the Devil and Adam & Eve.
Now let’s see what you say to my previous comment:
“I can see that there are here two seeds depicted Crosby. I’m not the one who has the hard time reading.”
Yes you can read alright. Your problem is comprehending what is written. You read through the eyes of a spiritually dead lawyer and an intellectual – a Pharisee, fuelled by your agenda – the agenda of obedience to the law. This is ALL that concerns you – nothing else. Anything else you pay mere lip service to.
“Does this somehow lend credence in your mind to your preposterous assertion that Cain was the offspring of the Serpent?”
Are you an authority on what form the Devil took as he was Created by Yashua Anointed? Were you there? Please tell us if you can. Can you describe what these creatures look like?
Rev 4:6-7 (KJV) And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. 7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
Describe them in full if you can.
Have you any idea what the preflood world was like? Have you any idea what Adam looked like or what spirit beings could do BEFORE they were put in chains of darkness.
Who were the sons of God that took Adam’s daughters for wives? Tell us, for we are waiting for your expertise in these things. Being such an expert in The Torah you must surely know.
In typical Crosby fashion, you have just broadened the scope of your exclamation to include aspects of Scripture which I have not commented on in this thread. Who are you talking to Crosby? Are you arguing with yourself? Or does what I actually say to you have any bearing at all on the conversation you are having with yourself?
Did you hear me deny the seed of the Serpent?
Please show me where I did… never mind. We’ve played that game already. You looked in your wallet for some credibility and drew out a wet bus ticket (thanks Mayhem).
You can try to put words in my mouth all day Crosby. What possible good will come of it for you?
Why don’t you turn off your computer, and go study the Bible. And here’s a friendly suggestion which you won’t like to hear, buy it will benefit you tremendously: Try paying attention to the words as they actually appear on the page, rather than the words that you would like to see written there.
Good day Crosby. Further dialogue with you is pointless.
I am NOT going to allow you to save face:
“Does this somehow lend credence in your mind to your preposterous assertion that Cain was the offspring of the Serpent?”
“Did you hear me deny the seed of the Serpent?”
You are a devious slimey snake in the grass and I will continue to reveal you as such, seeing as you threatened me from the beginning by saying you would follow me around this site. I will rout you out for the devil that you are, you mark my words Mr Judaising DOG DIB.
By all means sir.
Do as you will.
The problem for you, of course, is that the people reading your words actually read your words. You are incapable of recognizing how foolish and what a child you sound like. You can’t sustain a simple line of reasoning without becoming sidetracked into silliness. You don’t respond to your opponent’s words, but rather you interject supefluous matters which are completely unrelated to what your opponent has said.
You are having a conversation, Mr. Crosby. But it is one which only you can hear.
The ones who will hear will be the ones who WILL hear.
Unlike you who is deaf and blind to The Truth.
So you keep going for everything you do, like your father the Devil, will backffire on you.
You have look very carefully at the physical evidence, the genetic code of the Homo Sapiens. It tells a very different story than what Christians have been taught in Sunday school and church. The evidence CLEARLY shows we’ve been “Engineered.” There’s no doubt about that!
Creation Theory and Evolutionist Theory are COMPLETE myths, a fabrication, a lie, a fairy tale. There’s NO truth or evidence whatsoever in these theories. They MUST be replaced, and THEY will…
“They MUST be replaced, and THEY will…”
Yup. Spoken like a true New Age Guru. You’re going to do what, bring that new gospel to the world at the edge of the sword? Maybe at the razor’s edge of the guillotine blade?
Bring it on. We know your doctrine is coming. It’s been advertised all over the place, on the only ‘channels’ worth watching any more. The Doctrine of the Engineers is definitely in its ascendancy. And it will take hold, you are right about that.
You wanna know what happens after that?
I guarantee you it will not go well for you.
Enjoy the party, Doctor.
I have questions regarding the whole Rhesus positive versus negative thing. That one puzzles me.
But if you are right say about the two theories you mentioned then by dint of your words there would be nothing to achieve in replacing them.
I mean every thing will just keep on like it always has an tons of beliefs wouldn’t matter at all. Would it?
the elohim are not called flesh and bones, and Jesus is begotten of one substance
with the non human non physical Father and one substance with us, He was
begotten in eternity of The Father and then incarnated. not reincarnated, this was
a one time only event. There is substance that is spirit and substance that is
physical.
What ever, there is so much evidence for evolution it would fill a large city library. Science theories are based on facts, not unsubstantiated fairy stories.
It’s ‘El of the Elohim’. El is the middle eastern generic word for god. It is also the name of the pantheon of deities the ancient Sumerians worshipped, where Genesis originates from. The claims they only worshipped one deity is completely false, evidenced by their many temples to other deities. And even the bibles first commandment says there are more than one deity… Have no other gods BEFORE me, note it does not say,… Have no other gods, full stop.
Their language and use of words were gender orientated. El is singular and masculine, Elohim is plural and feminine. Their allegorical stories describe reality using totems as the description of the nature of an energy.
The initial story of El of the Elohim describes how the Sun and Earth in combination created life on Earth.: El (the sun) was out hunting one day (shining his light) when he came across two females Asherah and Rhomerah (dusk and dawn). He cooked them a meal (warmed Earth) and asked them if they wanted to be his daughters (they were literally his creation) or be his wives (become fertile). They both agreed to be his wives. From the union their only begotten son was born called Baal (god of water, storms, fertility, wheat). When Baal is in a good mood he produces nice conditions and abundance, when in a bad mood he causes storms and famines.
It is the root of all middle eastern religions.
Genesis 31:30
And now, though thou wouldest needs be gone, because thou sore longedst after thy father’s house, yet wherefore hast thou stolen my gods?
Genesis 31:29-31 (in Context) Genesis 31 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Genesis 31:32
With whomsoever thou findest thy gods, he shall not live: before our brethren discern thou what is thine with me, and take it to thee. For Jacob knew not that Rachel had stolen them.
Genesis 31:31-33 (in Context) Genesis 31 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Genesis 35:2
Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the foreign gods that are among you, and purify yourselves, and change your garments:
Genesis 35:1-3 (in Context) Genesis 35 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Genesis 35:4
And they gave unto Jacob all the foreign gods which were in their hand, and the rings which were in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which was by Shechem.
Genesis 35:3-5 (in Context) Genesis 35 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Exodus 12:12
For I will go through the land of Egypt in that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am Jehovah.
Exodus 12:11-13 (in Context) Exodus 12 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Exodus 15:11
Who is like unto thee, O Jehovah, among the gods? Who is like thee, glorious in holiness, Fearful in praises, doing wonders?
Exodus 15:10-12 (in Context) Exodus 15 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Exodus 18:11
Now I know that Jehovah is greater than all gods; yea, in the thing wherein they dealt proudly against them.
Exodus 18:10-12 (in Context) Exodus 18 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Exodus 20:3
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exodus 20:2-4 (in Context) Exodus 20 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Exodus 20:23
Ye shall not make other gods with me; gods of silver, or gods of gold, ye shall not make unto you.
Exodus 20:22-24 (in Context) Exodus 20 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Exodus 23:13
And in all things that I have said unto you take ye heed: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
Exodus 23:12-14 (in Context) Exodus 23 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
So how many gods are there really. And what if people want to believe in their own
God or Gods?
sk1951 asked:
“So how many gods are there really. And what if people want to believe in their own God or Gods?”
There are innumerable elohim written of in the Scriptures. The number of the Host of Heaven is beyond the ability of man to count. ‘Elohim’ is translated as god (lowercase ‘g’). Each time the Bible speaks of the ‘gods’ (lowercase ‘g’) it is in reference to the elohim (lowercase ‘e’). You may become acquainted with one or several of these other elohim at some point in the not-too-distant future, so it is good that you have asked.
If you choose to make one of these ‘other’ elohim your god, you may do so. The consequences for doing so are enumerated in no uncertain terms throughout the entire Bible. To do so is to render oneself in fragrant violation of the First Commandment.
Yes…
FLAGRANT violation.
Not ‘fragrant’
I’ll blame Microsoft auto-correct for this embarrassing miswording of my statement.
Could someone head me in the right direction regarding these gods/elohim? please. Did I get the Angels and sent by God angle right?
Going to be hard to deny them if this is so and they are good say.
I’m not looking for a lesson here. Just a bunch of giigle references.
Mayhem,
According to the Scriptures (but not according to a ‘surface’ read), and lately, according to the ascending “atheist” and New Age doctrine (read main-stream “scientific” community doctrine), we can expect a visit from some ‘off-world entities’ in fairly short order.
In a nutshell: You would do well to refuse to believe everything these guys would have you believe. They will either come as good guy/savior types, or they may come as groups warring against themselves (think good cop/bad cop) and one side will pose as our saviors, protecting us from the other. There are myriad possibilities with respect to these scenarios. Whatever they roll out will be convincing. There will be visual and auditory as well as technological aspects of these events which will seem to lend credibility to the entities themselves and to the stories they have tell. However…
They are the deception. Whatever form the deception takes, just wait long enough and you will find out what the ‘aliens’ (the elohim, the ‘gods’) are selling, and what they want from you. Don’t buy whatever they are selling; and don’t give them whatever it is they want from you. If this means that you have to die, then by all means, die without giving in to the deception. Do not let them take you into their ‘group’. Do not let them take you under their ‘wing’. They may offer you immortality. They may offer you something else seemingly priceless. Whatever it is, it will not be what it appears to be. They are liars and they are MASTER deceivers. They have been here before and are only now about to return. If you THINK that there are any ‘good guys’ amongst them, you will be mistaken. They will try VERY hard to convince you otherwise. And they will be vastly more intelligent than we are. They may even have means to manipulate your emotions to make you feel like you ‘love’ them.
Resist them. And if you resist them for the RIGHT reasons…
…then you will have put yourself into the running for a serious chance at ending up in exactly the place you should be.
Hope that helps.
Thank you Beef Supreme. You have given me much to think about and the points you raise have given me confidence that I might not be deceived due to ignorance. Emphasis on might.
Look out for the spaceship and listen when they whisper in my ear. Don’t mind your conscience we say it’s all good just do as we say.
Immortality? Outside my scope to understand because I don’t look so good at 50 let alone adding forever.
Riches? Puh-lease. I know we can’t eat gold, it’s not a good insulator and it don’t wear so well as a paving stone.
I imagined I would allow them to be my boss/employer so long as they allowed me comforts like what I am used to. I’ve nothing against slavery in and of itself and only in so far as it might relate to my circumstance. Just another name for what I do now. Not afraid of dying but pretty scared about the chance it might hurt a lot.
Don’t spend too much time on me Mr Supreme. As I said earlier I’m happy to expend energy in my search but one question. Are the Scriptures the Bible?
How ignorant is that?
Mayhem asked:
“Are the Scriptures the Bible?”
They are the same.
‘Scriptures’ might more indicate the texts, as originally written. ‘Bible’ might denote the translations we have at present, which include some highly questionable alterations and name changes — but on the whole, yes — they are the same thing.
….and I say I’m confident I can tear a hole through the evolution theories. Surely adaptation among critters and plants does occur but evolution?
I don’t think this is so but I am willing to challenge my knowledge.
I just love fantasy stories. The bible is the greatest capitulation of fantasy stories ever. I found a translation of यीशु ने उससे कहा. It says that man is an easily fooled mythology accepting idiot whose imagination runs so wild as to believe it as factual and true. This translates to delusional in English. The Universe if full of many amazing things but gods are not one of them. I think the market for stupid was cornered here on earth.
sk1951 wrote:
“I think the market for stupid was cornered here on earth.”
As most aptly demonstrated by your various posts, I would agree with you entirely. You are a prime example of the truth of this maxim.
In 2Thessilonians, Paul writes regarding those that tell fale doctrines, speak of a gospel other than Christ, and gives account to what shall happen to them. The men who have written this book about aliens..well, they may have a scope of the truth, but do not have the truth in them….
2 Thessalonians chapter 2 – 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie,
12 that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren, beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you for salvation, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,
14 whereunto He called you by our Gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold to the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word or our epistle.
16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and God even our Father, who hath loved us and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17 comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work.
Where can I find what is written about this “falling away” that Paul speaks of in 2 Thessalonians please?
I’m reading another thread and I’m thinking my question might be answered.
Rev 6:12 & Luke 21:25
I’m off to search for enlightenment in the 4 Gospels.
Prepare for more dumb questions from me.
Mayhem,
Here are some verses which elaborate on the ‘falling away’:
Romans 1:28
And even as they did not like to retain Elohim in their knowledge, Elohim gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29. Being filled with unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, quarreling, deceit, malignity, whisperers,
30. Backbiters, haters of Elohim, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31. Without understanding, COVENANT BREAKERS*, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32. Who knowing the judgment of Elohim, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
*[Emphasis mine] I would remind brothers and sisters that THE COVENANT of the Old Testament is YET IN FORCE. There is not now, nor has there ever been, any abrogation or annulment of the Law of YHWH. THIS IS THE FUNDAMENTAL MISTAKE OF CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE!!! Any reading of Paul which includes an understanding that the LAW had been done away with, is a flawed understanding and must be reconciled with the TRUTH before the Second Coming of Messiah. Right now, I can’t think of a more important message.
YHWH, Messiah, Abraham, Moses, and ALL of the Prophets agree. The LAW is ETERNAL. The Covenant will not be broken. The Apostle Paul would not and COULD NOT have brought a message contrary to this Word of YHWH. Be careful brothers and sisters. Don’t just get ANGRY when you hear these words. Study the words of the Apostle Paul very carefully to see whether he ACTUALLY said the things he CANNOT SAY. The Church is misleading you. The Law stands.
(Sorry about the tangent, Mayhem.)
The more I learn the more clear it is that I’ve got a lot of work ahead of me. I thought, BS, you were writing a list of my worst character flaws there for a moment. I know I make light and I worry I shouldn’t but I know, BS, you did not see through me. He did.
One question if you would be so kind. (notices his error)
“Study the words of the Apostle Paul very carefully to see whether he ACTUALLY said the things he CANNOT SAY. The Church is misleading you. The Law stands.”
I am confused. Are you saying Paul could not speak freely when he gave his version of events? His Gospel. Or are you saying Christians try to attribute a different meaning to Paul’s words than what reading them would suggest?
I feel I am missing something that could really matter. Yes whether or not I believe. Gods Law always stood/stands.
“I am confused. Are you saying Paul could not speak freely when he gave his version of events? His Gospel. Or are you saying Christians try to attribute a different meaning to Paul’s words than what reading them would suggest?”
This is where it gets tricky, Mayhem. This is where I diverge (very sharply) from Christian thought. One of the tenets of Christian doctrine is that the Apostle Paul tells us in his letters that the Messiah fulfilled the Law (the Torah – Torah is a Hebrew word for instruction) at His crucifixion, and that we are no longer beholden to the Torah; the LAW, the Instruction, The Covenant of YHWH.
(Incidentally, the letters Y. H. W. H. are translations of the four letters from the Hebrew language which are His Name in written form. There are no vowels per se in Hebrew, so we have the consonants of His Name only. In spoken form, the name is Yahweh [or something akin to that]. Yahweh means “HE IS”. His name is “I AM” or ‘Ehyeh’ in the Hebrew. When He says His name, it is “I AM”. We say “HE IS” – Yahweh, or YHWH.)
Now then: A casual reading of the epistles (letters) of the Apostle Paul will almost certainly lead a person to conclude that Paul has written that the Law is no good any more, and that in fact it is bad for a person to follow it. What Paul actually says is that the Law is no good to ANYONE if they obey it for the wrong reasons.
Salvation comes to a man ONLY through his faith in Messiah Yehoshua. Faith in Messiah Yehoshua is the ONLY way available for us to approach The Father. We are presently cut off from The Father (and have been since the fall of Adam) because we exist in a state of perpetual sin, and sin cannot be allowed anywhere near The Father. We must be made whole and clean before we can come to stand in the Presence of The Father, which is something all of Creation longs to do (whether they know it or not).
Paul writes that when the Jews in the land were following the teaching of the Torah to the letter of the Law, they were not doing so out of faith, but rather because they hoped to attain justification through their own works, according to the Law. The Jews (some of them) thought that they could cleanse themselves from sin, and become acceptable to The Father, by perfectly following all of the statutes and ordinances of the Law. Paul wrote that this cannot be done. Paul wrote that the Torah cannot justify a man, and that salvation cannot come to a man through his works of the Law. Paul said that salvation can ONLY come to a man through his faith in the Messiah. Paul DID NOT say that the Law is no more to be followed. If Paul HAD said that the Law is no more to be followed, then Paul would have spoken outside of the acceptable message he was charged with delivering, and he would have made himself into an enemy of the Almighty. But Paul DID NOT deliver a message that the Law has been rendered obsolete, moot, fulfilled, or of none effect. However, the majority of Christian denominations teach that Paul HAS in fact delivered the message that the Law is no longer in force, and that the Law has no bearing or application to a person who is a faithful ‘Christian’ and a believer in ‘Jesus’.
The Law is the Torah. The Torah is the Covenant of YHWH. The Covenant of YHWH is said (by HIM) to be an ETERNAL covenant. There is NO WAY that the Covenant has been made void or rendered vacant. It is a great error to teach, or to believe, that the Law has been ended. This error is what Christianity teaches. We are almost out of time to correct the error. The Torah of YHWH stands. A more important message than this, I cannot imagine.
Beef Supreme.
I have heard this argument before “God’s word is what we say it is and here see we’ve read this a certain way to provide proof”. I too can read a bit and I try to do my own thinking. So I would read these passages over and over and I did see where Paul could be interpreted as saying the Law was concluded with due to it’s fulfillment.
I did know of the everlasting Covenant and my question to those whom I sought counsel was to address the disparity. I knew that His word was Law and I needed no proof beyond my belief. From the little I know of the words left for us I perceived He would use some other word if He intended to convey a time period that could end.
I diverged from a few churches for exactly this issue. I do not like to be told what to think and believe. I could tell this denominational church had very flimsy evidence for their claims but I lacked the knowledge to be comfortable defying them.
Being offended by these churches telling me I had to leave their sandbox kept me blind and thus I slowly learned that courage alone was insufficient. I had to skill up hard or stop preaching, so to speak, I chose learning over preaching.
In light of this I remind myself that there may well be more than one or two positions for any given argument. Considering all positions is the path to knowing. I appreciate your (cough) tangents/ gentle guidance. You have given me much to consider and I thank you.
Wanna know a secret?
You’re not crazy at all Mayhem. You’re playing with a full deck and your six-guns are fully loaded.
You just might finish this race.
Thank you Mr S
I try to do the best I can with the smarts I was given and your patience helps. There are others I would say this very thing to also.
Be well.
“there is NO God in the bible”… interesting title as there are several ways to read into that phrase.. and yet, even through reading your supporting text which indicates your intended meaning, it’s apparent to me that my interpretation of what God Is, differs from your own, most likely due to my following an entirely different Way.
normally, i would not interject in a comment discussion of this nature but i have to say, thanks for gathering together a few of my favorite reads here, as the commentary of those present here is always intriguing, interesting.. fascinating really.. so again, thanks for the article.