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Who Are The 144,000?

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Scripture reveals the identity of the 144,000 witnesses of Revelation chapter 7.

– Who are the 144,000 Witnesses of Revelation Chapter 7? A Biblical Study –

They are one of the most mysterious groups mentioned in the Bible. Many sects and cults have claimed to literally be them. But who are the 144,000 witnesses mentioned in Revelation chapter 7? Are these the only people who make it to Heaven? Are these supernatural beings who will descend to Earth in the end times? This article will identify the 144,000 based on Bible Scripture and their very important role in God restoring the nation of Israel and the world in the final days before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

The 144,000

And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Of the tribe of Judah were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. – Revelation 7:1-8.

The most important aspect of interpreting Bible Scripture is to examine the verses in context. In our article The Red Moon Rapture – Biblical Timing of The Rapture, we detailed the events of the 6th seal of Revelation chapter 6. The Rapture of the church takes place at its opening and is immediately followed by a massive, global earthquake that sends the most powerful, wealthiest people on Earth literally running for the hills. The entire sinful world, who rejected God, will realize that the wrath of God has begun. Chapter 6 ends with the exclamation:

And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? – Revelation 6:15-17.

This is important to understand the context as we head into chapter 7. The Apostle John, the author of the book of Revelation was called up to Heaven in the spirit to record the events of the end of the world. From his heavenly perspective he was shown events on both Earth and Heaven. And clearly, the events of the 6th seal (a massive global earthquake, people running and hiding in caves and holes in fear for their lives, etc) are taking place on Earth. So it is critical to understand that as chapter 7 begins, we are still in the events of the 6th seal. The 7th seal has not been opened yet. [B&E: as a side note, this should give the reader of the Rapture series more confirmation that the 6th seal is the time of the Rapture and the start of the end times Day of The Lord. Each of the preceding 5 seals in Revelation 6 were given about 3-4 verses of description. On the other hand, the Apostle John devotes one and a half chapters worth of Scripture to detail all the events of the Sixth Seal].

Now that the Rapture has taken place and all born again Christian have been removed from Earth, God returns His attention to the nation of Israel. As detailed in our article The Day of The Lord – The Event That Starts The End of The World, this is one of the primary purposes of the end times: The Lord’s plan to reconcile the nation of Israel to believing faith in Jesus Christ the Messiah. From the time Christ was rejected by Israel during His ministry on earth, He prophesied to the nation of Israel that they would walk in spiritual blindness:

And when he was come near, he beheld the city [Jerusalem], and wept over it, Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation. – Luke 19:40-44.

The Lord Jesus was informing the Israelites that had they known the prophetic signs detailed in the Old Testament, all of which Jesus had fulfilled, they would not have missed the time of “their visitation.” But because they had rejected the Messiah, they were going to suffer spiritual blindness. This is confirmed in Romans Chapter 11:

What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway… For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. – Romans 11:7-11, 25-27.

This is a very important passage to understand the ultimate plan of God in the end times. Paul calls it a “mystery” – meaning this is divine revelation that had not been disclosed prior to the writing of these verses. The Apostle Paul makes it very clear: the nation of Israel, the actual lineage of the same Israelites alive at the time of Christ, were walking in “blindness in part.” There would be a lack of understanding and belief in the Gospel of Jesus Christ among the Israelite people. And of course this is seen in Israeli culture as the overwhelming majority of people today still do not believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God or Messiah. And they are still awaiting their Messiah to come.

But the passage goes on to say that this blindness would last “until the fullness of the Gentiles is come in.” The fullness of the Gentiles is the full amount of members of the Church – the believers in Jesus Christ who put their faith in the Biblical Gospel. The church reaches its fullness at the Rapture, when it is supernaturally removed from the Earth, to the clouds to meet Jesus Christ in the air and go to Heaven. The Greek for the phrase “come in” is eiserchomai and it means “to enter.” It is the same phrase used by Jesus in Matthew 5:20 when He said: “For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter [eiserchomai] into the kingdom of heaven.”  It is at this time that The Lord returns his attention to the nation of Israel and pours out the spirit of “grace and supplication” to start the process of their redemption to saving faith. The prophet Ezekiel prophesied of this end times revival among the people of Israel:

Prophesy therefore concerning the land of Israel, and say unto the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I have spoken in my jealousy and in my fury, because ye have borne the shame of the heathen: Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I have lifted up mine hand, Surely the heathen that are about you, they shall bear their shame. But ye, O mountains of Israel, ye shall shoot forth your branches, and yield your fruit to my people of Israel; for they are at hand to come. For, behold, I am for you, and I will turn unto you, and ye shall be tilled and sown:

Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name’s sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. – Ezekiel 36.

God is going to work unilaterally to call Israel to repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus confirmed the same when He said:

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. – Luke 13:34-35.

“Study to show thyself approved..” We must look to Scripture alone to find answers to prophetic questions.

And thus this is why right after the opening of the 6th seal, when the Church has been removed from Earth, we see God preparing the 144,000 Israelite witnesses to share the Gospel with the Israelites and the world at large. We will now go directly to the verses from the passage to show God’s plan at work:

“And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.”

The four angels are positioned around the earth holding the four winds of the Earth. As we explained in our article “Who Are The Four Horsemen Of The Apocalypse”, the first four seals opened in Revelation 6 released spiritual beings in the form of horses and riders. In Zechariah 6, we are given the interpretation of who these beings are:

In the Septuagint, the oldest version of the Old Testament (translated from the original paleo-Hebrew which the ancient copies of the Old Testament were written in) the verse reads that they are “four winds that stand before the throne of God.” In Revelation Chapter 6, as Jesus Christ open the first four seals of the Book handed to Him from The Lord God, these four spirits or winds are sent into Earth during the Church Age to bring various forms of judgment all over the planet in the form of religious deception, wars and rumors of wars, famine and death through pestilence and disease.

Once the Church Age ends with the Rapture at the end of Chapter 6, these four winds are then reassigned. In Chapter 7 they are held by four high-ranking angels who are preparing to unleash them once again to destroy the land, sea and trees of the earth as a part of the judgments of the Day of The Lord. So we see a complete consistent transition from chapter 6 to chapter 7.

It is also important to note here that the events the Apostle John is viewing here are still on Earth. The four angels are on Earth. The four winds they are holding are on Earth.

“And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.”

A fifth angel now appears on the scene telling the first four angels who were sent to bring forth judgment against the earth, trees and sea, to wait. They are to hold off on unleashing the judgments of the four winds until the servants of the God have been sealed in their foreheads. Here we see the special distinction of the 144,000. They are a chosen group, who will fulfill a specific task for The Lord during the end times.

“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”

Scripture clearly identifies the 144,000: they are children of Israel. It is important to note that when Scripture uses the term “children of Israel” it is referring to the lineage of Abraham. It is not a reference to the Church. The Church, in their spiritual connection to Abraham through faith are referred to as “Jews” and the “seed of Abraham” in Scripture, adopted into the family of God through faith in Christ. However the term “children of Israel” refers to national Israel. In the New Testament, the phrase “children of Israel” is only used 14 times, and each is a reference to the descendants of the twelve sons of Jacob (who was renamed Israel by The Lord). The 144,000 are actual ethnic Israelite descendants. Scripture goes on to make this very clear by specifying each tribe:

Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

The Mission of The 144,000

The 144,000 are sealed and then sent out to preach the Gospel.

“A true witness delivereth souls..” – Proverbs 14:25.

The 144,000 along with 2 witnesses of Revelation 11 (who will be covered in our study on that chapter) are primary witnesses of the Gospel on Earth. Jesus Christ prophesied that the Gospel of the Kingdom would be preached in the final days before His Second Coming. The Gospel of the Kingdom was what Jesus, John the Baptist and disciples preached at the beginning of their ministries. It was an announcement that “the kingdom is at hand” meaning the Messiah is about to arrive! This was John the Baptist’s message in the early days of Jesus’ ministry:

In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. – Matthew 3:1-3.

The Gospel of the Kingdom is what Jesus commanded His disciples to share with the people of Israel in the beginning of their ministry. Luke chapter 10 details a special group of seventy witnesses, selected by Jesus, to go out with the twelve disciples to witness the Gospel of the Kingdom:

After these things the LORD appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come. Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest. Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves. Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way. And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house.
And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again. And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house. And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you: And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you. – Luke 10:1-9.

This special envoy of witnesses were instructed specifically to preach that the “kingdom of God is nigh unto you.” It was a bold proclamation that the prophesied Messiah was preparing His arrival and Scripture is about to be fulfilled, so the people were to repent of their sins and prepare their hearts by believing in faith in Him. After the Rapture, when Israel will once again be the focus of God’s plans, the same Gospel message will be preached as it will only be a matter of years until the Second Coming of The Lord at Armageddon. Jesus confirmed this when teaching on the end times in Matthew 24.

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. – Matthew 24:14.

The Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached and Jesus Christ will have His specially assigned witnesses deliver the messages.

Foreshadow Of The 144,000

Ezekiel chapter 9 contains a foreshadow of the designation of the 144,000. In Ezekiel chapter 8, God gave the prophet a special insight into how far into spiritual idolatry, satanic witchcraft and the occult, Israel had fallen. God took Ezekiel to a place to look inside the temple, the most sacred location for the entire nation. There Ezekiel saw that the priests of the temple, who were appointed to carry out all of the duties to maintain the temple and carry out the ritual sacrifices of atonement, were secretly adepts in the occult:

And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD’s house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose. Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them. – Ezekiel 8:16-18.

The priests working in the Holy temple were secretly worshiping the sun and engaging in occult practices. This is how far gone Israel was from God. In Chapter 9, God prepared His righteous judgment to punish Israel for their worship of other gods.

He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand. And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer’s inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar. And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer’s inkhorn by his side;
And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city. – Ezekiel 9:1-7.

All the men who still believed and worshiped The Lord were given a mark in their foreheads to signify their faith. So before the avenging angel carried out his punishment to kill the idolaters, they were designated. This is a type and shadow of what will happen to the 144,000. The world will be in a complete state of spiritual confusion after all born again Christians have been raptured at the opening of the sixth seal. The Antichrist will be emerging on the world scene but not yet the global ruler he will become. It is at this time God will call out the 144,000 to be His servants on Earth to share the Gospel.

Their Supernatural Protection

Just as the faithful men in Ezekiel 9 were protected from judgment, so will the 144,000. At the sounding of the 5th trumpet judgment in Revelation 9, a supernatural demonic army will be released from the bottomless pit (also known as the abyss), a prison of demons and fallen angels:

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.  And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.– Revelation 9:1-5.

This supernatural, demonic army from the abyss will invade the world openly. And they will torment all people on the Earth for five months. They will cause so much pain and suffering that people will wish they could die rather than suffer the torment from these beings. And the 144,000 will be protected from their attacks. Like the Israelites in Goshen in the days of the Exodus, who were protected from the plagues sent by God while the Egyptians suffered, this supernatural protection of the 144,000 will serve as a clear sign that God is truly with these men. Thus giving more evidence that they were truly sent from God. In the Gospels, Jesus, during the time of His earthly ministry, told His selected 70 witnesses they would also have supernatural ability to show the world as a sign of their being sent by Him:

 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. – Luke 10:17-20.

Just as the 70 witnesses were given power over serpents, demonic forces, referred to as “serpents and scorpions”, so too will the 144,000 witnesses of the Great Tribulation have power over the demonic army from the pit, whose power is like scorpions.

The End Of Their Ministry

And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God. – Revelation 14:1-5.

In Revelation 14, we see the 144,000 in Heaven, on Mt. Sion, the heavenly mountain of God (the identification of Mount Sion as a Heavenly mountain and not the earthly Mount Zion is confirmed in Hebrews chapter 12). It is clear at this point that the 144,000 are dead and thus “redeemed from the Earth”. It is this author’s contention that the 144,000 will be some of the first victims of the Great Persecution carried out by the Antichrist that commences in Revelation 13. The Antichrist once he has received the Beast spirit that emerges from the bottomless pit, will assume full global control as God-King. And one of his first acts will be to persecute all people on Earth who proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And the 144,000 along with the 2 witnesses will be killed in his persecution. [B&E: The Great Persecution of The Antichrist will be explored in more detail in our studies on chapters 13 and 14 of Revelation].

This is why the 144,000 will be considered “first fruits” unto God. They are the first of the “harvest” of end times Israelite and Gentile believers who will return to God through faith in Jesus Christ. Revelation 14 is a chapter that chronicles the persecution and murder of believers by the Antichrist – but it is from the Heavenly perspective. John is seeing events in Heaven and this is a Divine Harvest. While the death of the 144,000 may seem sad on Earth, their martyrdom is a glorious event in Heaven as these chosen servants have finally united with Christ their Savior in Heaven.

From this passage the Bible confirms that these witnesses will also be men who have not had intimate relations with women (they are called “virgins”). And for their service in the Great Tribulation, they are given the honor of singing a song of praise to The Lord that no angel or human in Heaven has ever sung before. Now in Heaven, they are redeemed and forgiven of any sins before God and remain in the presence of Jesus Christ forever.

This is the full Biblical analysis of the 144,000 in Scripture. But the story does not end here because in modern day theology, there is so much controversy about this group. So the next section will attempt to address some of the most common questions raised about the 144,00.

There are many false teachings about the 144,000 of Revelation chapter 7.

How do the 144,000 witnesses know what tribe of Israel they are from?

Although some people in Israel today can identify their lineage all the way back to the days of Jesus Christ, there are many Israelis who cannot. So how will the 144,000 know their tribal origin? Looking at Scripture, they do not need to know. The 144,000 are not volunteers – they are divinely selected and marked by angels who seal them with the sign of God. The angels who seal the 144,000 know who they are and will identify them at the appointed time. This is a supernatural process. God is now actively working, via divine power and agency to bring salvation to Israel. And since God knows everyone’s lineage, the angels he sends will have no problem identifying the 144,000.

Where is the tribe of Dan?

In the list of twelve tribes in Revelation 7, the tribe of Dan is not included. In most lists of the twelve tribes in Scripture, the tribes of Levi was not there (because their inheritance was The Lord) and neither was Joseph (because Jospeh’s sons, Ephraim and Manasseh were adopted by Jacob and they were counted as part of the 12 tribes in place of Joseph).  Dan is always listed until the end times list in Revelation 7.  So why is Dan not there? That answer can be found in the book of Judges:

And when they were a good way from the house of Micah, the men that were in the houses near to Micah’s house were gathered together, and overtook the children of Dan. And they cried unto the children of Dan. And they turned their faces, and said unto Micah, What aileth thee, that thou comest with such a company? And he said, Ye have taken away my gods which I made, and the priest, and ye are gone away: and what have I more? and what is this that ye say unto me, What aileth thee? And the children of Dan said unto him, Let not thy voice be heard among us, lest angry fellows run upon thee, and thou lose thy life, with the lives of thy household. And the children of Dan went their way: and when Micah saw that they were too strong for him, he turned and went back unto his house.

And they took the things which Micah had made, and the priest which he had, and came unto Laish, unto a people that were at quiet and secure: and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and burnt the city with fire. And there was no deliverer, because it was far from Zidon, and they had no business with any man; and it was in the valley that lieth by Bethrehob. And they built a city, and dwelt therein. And they called the name of the city Dan, after the name of Dan their father, who was born unto Israel: howbeit the name of the city was Laish at the first. And the children of Dan set up the graven image: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, he and his sons were priests to the tribe of Dan until the day of the captivity of the land. And they set them up Micah’s graven image, which he made, all the time that the house of God was in Shiloh.

Rather than take their part of the Promised Land as Joshua had commanded them to do years earlier, Dan continued as nomads, traveling for land they preferred. When they finally decided to enter their designated area, they robbed the home of a man named Micah who was a worshiper of false gods. Micah also hired a corrupt Levite priest to work for him in leading his demonic worship. The Danites forced the priest to come with them and serve them once and their nation was established they fell into spiritual idolatry, setting up a new religion centered on the stolen idols and graven images. This flagrant rebellion against God was reminiscent of when the Israelites worshiped the golden calf while Moses was on Mt. Sinai receiving the Ten Commandments from God. This sin was so severe that thousands of men were executed as a result. Now decades later, in the Promised Land, the tribe of Dan was taking their sin to the next level. Scripture states that the graven images of false gods were set up in Dan until the time of the Assyrian captivity. So for centuries, the nation of Dan was a center of pagan worship and a rejection of God right in the Promised Land.

Further confirming that they were most likely disqualified from being a part of the end times revival of Israel were two prophecies made about this tribe. In Genesis, when Jacob was blessing his twelve sons who were the patriarchs of the twelve tribes, he said of Dan:

Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward. – Genesis 49:16-17.

Dan would one day judge Israel but not in righteousness as a godly judge, but as a “serpent by the way, an adder in the path.” This immediately brings up a connection to Satan who in Revelation is called “that old Serpent.” In describing evil, sinful people, Psalm 58 says:

The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;

Psalm 91, which contains a Messianic prophecy says of Jesus Christ in verse 13:

Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet. – Psalm 91:13.

The designation of being a “serpent” and “adder” appears to be prophetic of Dan’s decision to enter into rebellion against God for as long as they existed as a nation.

Another association with devil is the prediction that the tribe of Dan will “biteth the horse heels.” In Genesis 3, God told Satan that he would “bruise the heel” of the Messiah, which was fulfilled in the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Could Dan be connected to the end times Antichrist? Could the Antichrist be a descendant of the tribe of Dan?

A second prophecy seems to further confirm this possibility. When Moses was on his deathbed and was blessing the twelve tribes, he said of Dan:

And of Dan he said, Dan is a lion’s whelp: he shall leap from Bashan. – Deuteronomy 33:22.

In this fascinating prophecy, Moses quotes from Genesis 49. Jacob used the term lion’s whelp in reference to the tribe of Judah:

Judah is a lion’s whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?

The tribe of Judah was the tribe from which the Messiah would be born. And in other Scriptures the Messiah is referred to as “the Lion of the tribe of Judah.” In also calling Dan a lion’s whelp, was Moses making an allusion to the false Messiah? It certainly seems to be the case. Additionally, Moses prophesied that Dan will “leap from Bashan.” Bashan was one of the locations of the Nephilim giants and in particular, King Og, who Moses himself fought against and slew. The Nephilim were the fiercest enemies of Israel and absolute enemies standing in opposition of God’s plans. The Antichrist will be the embodiment of opposition to The Lord and will seek to defy God and destroy all who believe in Jesus Christ. So again the connection between Dan and the Antichrist seems to be strong. And this would be a very plausible reason for why Dan is not included in the 144,000.

Where Is The Tribe of Ephraim?

Like the sinful tribe of Ephraim, many in the New Age and occult have twisted God’s Word to form their own false religion.

Similarly, the tribe of Ephraim is excluded from the list of  tribes in the 144,000. And it is for the same reason – a rejection of God in favor leading the nation of Israel into satanic worship. This offense was done no more blatantly than by King Jeroboam, who ruled the Northern Kingdom of Israel after the nation split following the reign of King Solomon. [B&E: Please note that this was a very critical time in Biblical history. It is strongly recommended to study this section of Scripture as there are many profound and powerful lessons and insights to be learned].

And the man Jeroboam was a mighty man of valour: and Solomon seeing the young man that he was industrious, he made him ruler over all the charge of the house of Joseph. And it came to pass at that time when Jeroboam went out of Jerusalem, that the prophet Ahijah the Shilonite found him in the way; and he had clad himself with a new garment; and they two were alone in the field: And Ahijah caught the new garment that was on him, and rent it in twelve pieces: And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the Lord, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee: (But he shall have one tribe for my servant David’s sake, and for Jerusalem’s sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel:)

Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father. Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David my servant’s sake, whom I chose, because he kept my commandments and my statutes: But I will take the kingdom out of his son’s hand, and will give it unto thee, even ten tribes. And unto his son will I give one tribe, that David my servant may have a light alway before me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen me to put my name there. And I will take thee, and thou shalt reign according to all that thy soul desireth, and shalt be king over Israel. And it shall be, if thou wilt hearken unto all that I command thee, and wilt walk in my ways, and do that is right in my sight, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as David my servant did; that I will be with thee, and build thee a sure house, as I built for David, and will give Israel unto thee. – 1 Kings 11:28-38.

Because of Solomon’s idolatry and worship of false gods and demons, the Kingdom of Israel was split, with the ten tribes forming the Northern Kingdom (called “Israel”) and the tribes of Benjamin, Judah and Levi comprising the southern Kingdom (called “Judah”). Jeroboam, who of the tribe of Ephraim, was given rulership over the Northern Kingdom. So his tribe was selected to lead the 9 other tribes with them in this time. But Jeroboam’s and the Northern Kingdom’s prosperity was conditioned on the King obeying God and putting faith and trust in His Word.

At this time of his Divine appointment to be King, Jeroboam fled to Egypt in fear for his life that Solomon, who was still ruling at the time, would kill him. After Solomon’s death, he returned and the people of the Northern Kingdom embraced him as their king. In the southern kingdom, Rehoboam, the son of Solomon, now ruler, prepared to wage war against Jeroboam and unite the kingdom once again. But before he launched his attack, God sent a prophet to tell Rehoboam not to fight but honor God’s plan of a divided Kingdom. Rehoboam obeyed and God proved He was truly protecting Jeroboam’s throne.

Despite this Jeroboam still had no faith in God’s Word. Jerusalem, the Holy City of the children of Israel, was in the Southern Kingdom. This meant that the temple of Solomon, where the ark of the covenant was located and where all worship and sacrifices to God were to take place, was there as well. Even though the Kingdom was divided, God’s law still required sacrifice and offering to take place in Jerusalem at the temple. Fearful, that the people of his kingdom would go worship in Jerusalem (and perhaps want to live there permanently or give their allegiance to the kingdom of Judah), Jeroboam doubted God and fell into sin:

And Jeroboam said in his heart, Now shall the kingdom return to the house of David: If this people go up to do sacrifice in the house of the Lord at Jerusalem, then shall the heart of this people turn again unto their lord, even unto Rehoboam king of Judah, and they shall kill me, and go again to Rehoboam king of Judah. Whereupon the king took counsel, and made two calves of gold, and said unto them, It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem: behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. And he set the one in Bethel, and the other put he in Dan. And this thing became a sin: for the people went to worship before the one, even unto Dan.

And he made an house of high places, and made priests of the lowest of the people, which were not of the sons of Levi. And Jeroboam ordained a feast in the eighth month, on the fifteenth day of the month, like unto the feast that is in Judah, and he offered upon the altar. So did he in Bethel, sacrificing unto the calves that he had made: and he placed in Bethel the priests of the high places which he had made. So he offered upon the altar which he had made in Bethel the fifteenth day of the eighth month, even in the month which he had devised of his own heart; and ordained a feast unto the children of Israel: and he offered upon the altar, and burnt incense. – 1 Kings 12:26-33.

This time of testing revealed the wickedness of Jeroboam. Rather than trust in God for protection, Jeroboam turned from the Lord and set up his own pagan false religion in the Northern Kingdom. He had golden calves made for the people to worship and make offerings to, copying one of the worst sins in the Old Testament when Aaron made the same sinful error in the book of Exodus. Jeroboam appointed the “lowest people” to be priests, when God specifically commanded that only members of the tribe of Levi could serve as priests. And note that the golden calves were set up in Bethel and Dan. The pagan, demonic worship of Dan continued and Jeroboam made it special location for altars to the false gods he set up. This evil king even went as far as to declare his own date for the feast of tabernacles. And he led the entire Northern Kingdom into rebellion against God.

Jeroboam’s sin was so offensive and so grievous that throughout Scripture “the sins of Jeroboam” are used time and time again as a standard of evil when other later kings were being described. The Northern Kingdom was so rebellious that almost all of its kings were pagans who worshiped false gods and demons. And it was all started by Jeroboam. In 1 Kings 13, the judgment of this sinful king of the tribe of Ephraim was pronounced: “And this thing became sin unto the house of Jeroboam, even to cut it off, and to destroy it from off the face of the earth.”

So like the tribe of Dan, Ephraim’s rampant idolatry and rejection of faith in God disqualified it from the 144,000.

What about groups like the Jehovah’s Witnesses or 7th Day Adventists who claim to be members of the 144,000?

The grave of Jehovah’s Witness founder Charles Taze Russell. The occult influence seems pretty clear.

The Jehovah’s Witness religion has little in common with Biblical Christianity. They first teach a false gospel of works-based salvation. They also use teachings that are not from the Bible (their Watchtower magazines are used to teach in the place of the Bible). With respect to the 144,000, they erroneously believe that their members and leadership comprise the 144,000. The following is directly from the official website of the Jehovah’s Witnesses:

Who are those 144,000? John himself tells us: “These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes. These were bought from among mankind as first fruits to God and to the Lamb.” (Revelation 14:1, 4) Yes, they are faithful followers of Jesus Christ specially chosen to rule in heaven with him. After being raised out of death to heavenly life, “they are to rule as kings over the earth” along with Jesus. (Revelation 5:10) Since the days of the apostles, God has been selecting faithful Christians in order to complete the number 144,000.
To arrange for Jesus and the 144,000 to rule mankind is very loving. For one thing, Jesus knows what it is like to be a human and to suffer. Paul said that Jesus is “not one who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who has been tested in all respects like ourselves, but without sin.” (Hebrews 4:15; 5:8) His corulers too have suffered and endured as humans. In addition, they have struggled with imperfection and coped with all kinds of sickness. Surely, they will understand the problems that humans face!

“This ‘little flock’ of 144,000 Kingdom heirs, then, are those ones from among mankind who are ‘born again.’”  (source).

As we can see, this interpretation contradicts Scripture on its face. Revelation 7 is clear that after the opening of the 6th Seal, a future event that has not taken place yet, the 144,000 are sealed. Yet by Jehovah’s Witness’ false doctrine, they have been selected on an ongoing basis “since the days of the Apostles.” In terms of their mission, there is no mention of them witnessing the Gospel to Israel or the world. Instead the Jehovah’s Witness doctrine jumps back to Revelation Chapter 5 to somehow assert that the 144,000 are special rulers over mankind. None of this is ever stated in Scripture. This bizarre interpretation continues with their belief that the 144,000 are the only people who go to Heaven, living in “spirit bodies” while the rest of the Jehovah’s Witnesses remain on Earth in physical, resurrected bodies waiting to be ruled by the 144,000.

Again, this interpretation should be rejected along with all Jehovah’s Witness doctrine. Among the many heresies they teach are that there is no trinity, Jesus was a created being. Jesus was the archangel Michael, transformed into a man, Jesus did not resurrect to a physical body and Jesus returned to Earth in 1914 (one of their many failed prophecies). Charles Taze Russell, who founded the Jehovah’s Witness cult, false prophesied the Rapture and end of the world on 5 different occasions.

Seventh Day Adventists

The Seventh Day Adventist Church is also an unbiblical cult that has no part with Biblical Christianity. Like the Jehovah’s Witnesses, they have an extra-Biblical source. They view the writings of their prophetess, Ellen G. White, on par with the Bible, in particular her book The Great Controversy. Additionally, they believe in works-based salvation primarily based on “keeping Sabbath”, which in their doctrine equals going to church service on Saturday. Here are a sampling of White’s writings on the 144,000:

Strive to Be Among the 144,000
“Let us strive with all the power that God has given us to be among the hundred and forty-four thousand. And let us do all that we can to help others to gain heaven.” -Review and Herald; March 9, 1905.

Mrs. White and the 144,000
“The Lord has given me a view of other worlds. Wings were given me, and an angel attended me from the city to a place that was bright and glorious. The grass of the place was living green, and the birds there warbled a sweet song. The inhabitants of the place were of all sizes; they were noble, majestic, and lovely. They bore the express image of Jesus, and their countenances beamed with holy joy, expressive of the freedom and happiness of the place. . . . I begged of my attending angel to let me remain in that place. I could not bear the thought of coming back to this dark world again. Then the angel said, ‘You must go back, and if you are faithful, you, with the 144,000,* shall have the privilege of visiting all the worlds and viewing the handiwork of God.”-Early Writings, pp. 39, 40.

Mrs. Hastings to Be With the 144,000
“I saw that she [Mrs. Hastings, who had just died] was sealed and would come up at the voice of God and stand upon the earth, and would be with the 144,000. I saw we need not mourn for her; she would rest in the time of trouble.”-Letter 10, 1850 (2SM 263). (source).

First notice there is no attempt to even quote the Bible in any of these “teachings.” White simply gives her own thoughts and it is to be accepted as the Word of God. By their false doctrine, the 144,00 are the “worthy” Seventh Day Adventists who have performed enough works to earn their way into this prestigious group. They also apparently are able to travel through space and visit various planets. This is outrageous, unbiblical heresy and no further analysis is necessary.

 
Trust God’s Word

“Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.”Jeremiah 33:3.

The Bible is the sole source of Christian doctrine and prophecy. And the 144,000 as described in Scripture are a very specific group of people, with a specific mission, that will be fulfilled at the start of the Great Tribulation. While the Church is brought up to Heaven at the Rapture, the 144,000 are on Earth, preparing to proclaim the Gospel to those people left behind. They will announce to Israel and the world that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the prophesied Messiah, the Alpha and Omega is indeed on His way back to Earth. And Lord willing, many people in the midst of the Great Tribulation will hear their message and believe.

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    • yes2truth

      This article is full of so much meaningless Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religious blather I don’t know where to begin. It’s a total abortion.

      You people should be locked up. :lol: :lol: :lol:

      The 144,000 are easily identifiable if you know, but you don’t.

      Ephraim IS mentioned via his father Joseph. The only tribe not mentioned is Dan (Ireland) due to their stubborn idolatry – Roman Catholicism.

      Joseph/Ephraim = England, Anglo-Saxon Canada, Australia, New Zealand.
      Manasseh = Anglo-Saxon USA
      Simeon = Scotland and all Scottish people throughout the USA and The Commomwealth
      Judah = Northern Ireland and Scotland and dispersed as with Simeon
      Levi = Wales, Cornwall and The Walloons of Belgium and dispersed as with Simeon.
      Zebulon = Holland/Netherlands
      Bemjamin = Norway, Denmark & Iceland
      Issachar = Switzerland
      Rueben = Northern France
      Gad = Belgium
      Asher = Sweden
      Naphtali = Finland
      Dan = Ireland

      • Neo

        Not only Israel is blind. The above article is entirely consistent with the scripture. You however, have no source to quote for your vain ranting, except the pride of your own imagination. No wonder you fail to understand…

        • Callengreen

          The failure to understand?
          I’ve a challenge for you, if you’ll take it.
          Consider Ezekiel 38…. the whole chapter (and hopefully then some)
          Check out verse 11 …”And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,”
          That little sliver of land over in the middle east has NEVER in ALL of history, been a land of unwalled villages, and is not today.
          The first mention in the bible of “Jews” in the bible is in second Kings, chapter 16:6. the previous vets, 16:5 will show you the king of Israel (allied with syria) going to war against Judea (Jerusalem)
          The term “Jew” is basically a nickname for the people of one of TWELVE tribes.

          Do prayerfully consider Ezekiel 38. (its in other places too, like Jeremiah and Isaiah )The whole is a direct reference to Russia, China, Iran, Arabic nations among others, waging war on an unsuspecting population living in what they think is safety. That’s the USA and parts of western Europe.
          Best of fortune for you and yours in your search for Truth.
          Yes, it does matter.

        • yes2truth

          @ Neo

          I fail to understand do I? Well feel free to tell us all, who these twelve tribal groups of 12,000 people are.

          Are they twelve groups of Jews? If so, please let us know who they are. I can’t wait to be enlightened.

          Perhaps you can also tell us when the Jews became a GREAT NATION AND A MULTITUDE OF NATIONS and WHEN their name became great as in Great Britain.

          We then have Jacob/Israel blessing his two grandsons Ephraim and Manasseh in Genesis 48 and I quote:

          Gen 48:17 And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father’s hand, to remove it from Ephraim’s head unto Manasseh’s head
          .
          Gen 48:18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.

          Gen 48:19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.

          Please let me know how this prophecy, and in particular verse 19, was fulfilled in the Jews.

          There are also other sources other than The Holy Scriptures e.g. The Book of Jasher which is mentioned positively in The Holy Scriptures – are you saying that that book is invalid?

      • Callengreen

        Good stuff Yes2truth :)
        So many have been taught falsehoods on every front for too many years without seeking the truth.
        It’s kind of surprising the people don’t realize Denmark means “the mark of Dan”…it’s all over Europe ( Dniester and Danube rivers for example).
        Genesis 49 has old man Israel (jacob) telling his sons what will happen to their people in the Last Days and how Dan would be like an adder by the way….
        A snake in the sand always leaves a trail :)

        • yes2truth

          @ Callengreen

          Thanks Callengreen

          Yes, those of the Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion only believe what they WANT to believe. Checking things out like The Bereans is not their forte. :lol: :lol: :lol:

      • ProudToBeJudah

        This comment Is too funny. What the HELL Is wrong with you people. You had the nerve to list the 10 Horns. The very people that the Messiah Is coming back to destroy. No understanding of the Bible what so ever. Let me give you an understanding of who the Most High’s chosen people really are:

        Judah = Negroes
        Ephraim = Puerto Ricans
        Mannaseh = Cubans
        Benjamin = Jamaicans/West Indies
        Issachar = Mexicans
        Levi = Haitians
        Napthali = Hawaians/Samoans
        Reuben = Seminole Indians
        Zebulun = Panama/Columbia
        Asher = Brazil/Argentina
        Simeon = Dominicans
        Gad = North American Indians

        These are the 12,000 men of each tribe of the Children of Israel.

        • yes2truth

          @ Proud to be poorly informed.

          Your comment is so laughable, I am nearly crying with laughter due to its gross ignorance. :lol:

          You youtube historians would be really dangerous if you engaged your brains. :eek:

        • EleninIsonNibiruNewObject

          ProudToBeJudah, you are on the right track. yes2truth is adopting the same european mindset that has either killed or enslaved dark skinned people. Do not limit yourself though since the DNA is mixed as these groups mixed with whites also. It is a mixed bag. But you have the right idea and scripture and archeology backs your perspective and not yes2truth. many white protestants are going to be pissed off and protest when a black Messiah shows up instead of their white skinned long-hair homosexual Jesus shows up. As a white man myself I will not be offended cause I know the truth and also skin color does not matter to me. But what color he is matters to me cause that gives me clues to what the tribes may look like. yes2truth probably keeps his own commandments instead of the Father’s commandments. They probably only read the new testament even though the new testament is based on the Torah and prophets. They are the ones that are poorly informed cause they think they will be saved in the end when they are lawless.

        • yes2truth

          @ EleninIsonNibiruNewObject

          You are yet another youtube conditioned BIN whack job.

          British = Berith – ish from the Hebrew and means Covenant Man.

          The British Gaelic and Old English tongues are Hebrew in origin.

          Ireland was once called Ebernia named after Eber who was Abraham’s forefather.

          And do not confuse Rome’s Michael Angelo long haired poofter images with Yashua Anointed.

          Now go and get your brain washed. :lol:

        • YellowRoseTx51

          ding bat
          the gad family owns sachs!

      • Stēkō

        Your CHARACTER is so contrary. ” if they have not love”, then they are NOT in Jesus.

        Therefore, and with sadness I must reject your comment out of turn. For a Pharrisee can no more find Jesus today than they did 2013 years ago: saving you be born again.
        Tell me oh man, how many times did God part water so that His people could pass through on dry land?
        Or
        What law is nailed to a tree?
        Or
        Who is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
        Or
        What is inside the arc of the covenant ?
        Or
        What is the covenant ?
        Or
        I pray that the very grace of God, through faith might make you righteous through pistis christu.

        God bless
        Stēkō Parrēsia

      • EleninIsonNibiruNewObject

        You are real hilarious. Israel was of dark skin! Try again but trash your euro-centric mindset. Ham was a black man, right? One of his sons was Mitzraim (i.e. Egypt), right? You still following this? How can Moses pass as an Egyptian his entire life if he was white and Egypt was black? How could Messiah pass as an Egyptian if he was white and Egypt was black? Dark people lived around the equator. When they migrate north they lose their melanin over a series of generations. Japeth was located in the north not Ham or Shem. Look at the archeology and scriptures. They do not portray Shem, Abraham, etc…. and Messiah as white. Hair like wool? Does that ring a bell? Europeans do not have hair like wool. But darker skinned people do. Darker skinned people have been in more bondage than any white man ever has. It is obvious that you are repeating the same judo-christian catholic nonsense that you claim to slam.

        • carveorstarve

          Who’s making it about race? This is why racism will not go away, because of people like you.

        • yes2truth

          The only joker and demon here is EleninIsonNibiruNewObject an ignorant youtube historian.

          Adam and Eve were white; Noah was white; Shem was white; Abraham was white and King David was white; Yashua Anointed was white.

          Egyptians from Ham were swarthy brown, not black. Only Africans/Canaanites from Ham also were black.

        • yes2truth

          @ carveorstarve

          It’s all about race and if you haven’t learnt that much you’re not where it’s at i.e. Eve with The Devil in The Garden producing Cain.

          “Generation of vipers” = RACE of vipers – The Devil’s Seed – literally and spiritually.

      • resonator

        they are the one’s wearing Tutus

    • Truthseeker007

      the 144,000 applies mainly to the daily cycle as it stands. And from what I can see the only real purpose for such an allegory would be to go through all of the stages of the suns observable path from the day to day all the way through to an entire Aeon and how each Aeon applies to the entire Platonic Great Year itself. Different parts of Revelation are addressed to all of the various details of time keeping which all together provide something in the way of an allegory about the turning of ages and specifically the first (Pisces) and second (Aquarius) ages of the new Great Year cycle, the new cycle which had only recently began during the early first century CE.

      Another example is that the 24 elders would appear to be addressed to the 24 hours of the day etc. etc. The 24 hours of the day feed into the larger picture of establishing a system of time keeping from the bottom up – from hourly, to daily, to monthly, to yearly, to an entire Aeon, and eventually to an entire Platonic Great Year. To say that Revelation is about precession more or less entails looking at all of the data leading into what we find near the end of Revelation with the blatant rendering of the zodiac in reverse order from Pisces to Aries after all of these other references were described previously in the texts leading up to this point. A good place to start out analyzing all of this would be to read through the entire chapter about Revelation in the CC:

      http://books.google.com/books?id=KnIYRi3upbEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+christ+conspiracy&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TpeDT6rVF4K49QS-55CrCA&ved=0CDsQuwUwAA#v=onepage&q=the%20christ%20conspiracy&f=false

      • truthuncovered

        Your comment has an interesting angle. I bet you are really close to the truth. Yet the subject matter has been obscured with the ruling powers lies and interpretations for ages. Hard to see through….

        You may find something in the emerald tablets that will support your claims.

        • Truthseeker007

          Thanks!!

      • BEEF SUPREME

        “Another example is that the 24 elders would appear to be addressed to the 24 hours of the day etc. etc.”

        You mean the 24 hours of the Roman Pagan Day? Does that make sense? Of course it does not. A day, according to the Messiah Himself, has 12 hours.

        The number 24 corresponds to the 24 Priestly Courses outlined in 1 Chronicles 24.

        “The 24 hours of the day feed into the larger picture of establishing a system of time keeping from the bottom up – from hourly, to daily, to monthly, to yearly, to an entire Aeon, and eventually to an entire Platonic Great Year.”

        The system you are describing is at odds with the Jubilee Order of Scripture — one which bears little to no resemblance to the Roman system. The mark of the Roman system is that it begins and ends in darkness.

        You cannot apply the Roman systems of calendation and time-keeping to the verses of Scripture and hope to draw a single sound conclusion. The Roman systems are the antithesis of the scripturally valid order.

        • Truthseeker007

          BEEF SUPREME I feel bad for people that actually believe what you say. Your so full of dogma its hilarious. I thankyou for always giving me a good laugh when you display your propaganda.

        • am123

          I feel bad for you TS007. Your every try at deception and lies have been stifled by BEEF, who is armed with the truth.

          Keep up the good work BEEF, thanks for standing up for the truth!

        • Anonymouse

          Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, [the] first day.

    • Truthseeker007

      The book of Revelation is in fact an encapsulation of the ancient astrological mythos and religion. A Part of which is sacred numerology. Indeed, several sacred numbers repeatedly make their appearance in Revelation, such as three, seven, 12, 24, etc. The “seven stars” or “spirits” are the seven “planets” that make up the days of the week and the Seven Sisters, which were variously the pole-stars or the Pleiades. …The seven “torches of fire” or seven branch lamp stand symbolizes the sun in the middle, with the moon and five inner planets as satellites, corresponding to the days of the week. Concerning Jesus as the lamb with seven horns and eyes, Wells says:

      “Revelations figuring the heavenly Jesus as a lamb with seven horns and seven eyes ‘which are the spirits of God sent forth into all the earth” (5:6) is a manifold reworking of old traditions. Horns are a sign of power (Deuteronomy 33:17) and in Daniel designated kingly power. The seven eyes which inform the lamb of [what] is happening all over the earth seem to be residues from ancient astrological lore… according to which God’s eyes are the sun, the moon, and the five planets…”

      The Great City of Revelation is the city of the Gods, located in the heavens, with the 12 gates of the zodiac. The “tree of life” in the city that bears “twelve manner of fruit” is also the zodiac. In edition, the 24 elders in white garments around the throne are the 24 hours of the day “around” the sun. The four angels “standing at the four corners of the earth” are the four cardinal points or angles of 90 degrees each…
      http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=4091

      • BEEF SUPREME

        “The seven “torches of fire” or seven branch lamp stand symbolizes the sun in the middle, with the moon and five inner planets as satellites…”

        This is not consistent with what is written in the totality of the Book of Revelation.

        “…seem to be residues from ancient astrological lore…”

        The favorite plaything of the detractors rears its ugly head yet again. Sans quotation, citation, or example, as usual.

        “…the 24 elders in white garments around the throne are the 24 hours of the day “around” the sun.”

        Not possible, considering the fact that nowhere in Revelation, or anywhere in canon Scripture, nor yet again in any apocryphal or pseudepigraphical work of Scripture, is it ever suggested that a ‘day’ is comprised of 24 hours. You are attempting to superimpose a pagan principle on top of a writing which has disavowed all legitimate connection with such principles.

        According to Scripture, the hours of the day are determined by the sun. Hours are not determined by any other metric or device. a 24 hour day is an illegitimate pagan construct.

        • Truthseeker007

          Yea Beef Supreme we all know that you think Revelations is a litteral story. Heres some news for you buddy its meant to be read symbolically not litterally. Only the slaves were meant to read it litterally while the Powers That Be knew what it meant symbolically.

        • Truthseeker007

          The book of Revelations bears a striking resemblance to the Book of Daniel in the Hebrew Scriptures. You will recall that Daniel was compiled about 165 BCE and it was taken from an older Babylonian book. There are also statements lifted directly from Ezekiel and Isaiah. The book of Revelations and the Gospel of John are the two most mystical books of the Christian Scriptures. Both are filled with mystic symbolism and numbers and both have a similar writing style. For example, the number 7 is the most mentioned number in Revelations (as well as the whole bible itself). In Revelations it is seen in the context of the 7 candle sticks representing the 7 known planets and the 7 seals representing the 7 ganglionic centers up the spine (the 7 stations of Mithra). Remember that the New Testament Scriptures were written in Greek after they were copied from earlier versions. You can also find the number 7 being very prominent in the Mithraic (Zoroastrian) Mysteries.

        • Truthseeker007

          The book of Revelation is very Mithraic throughout and the whole imagery of the “Anthropos” and the “Lamb” seems to boil down to the writer taking these pre-Christian astrotheological drama’s concerning the “Great Year” and the rising and falling of human (primal man) spiritual awareness and basically Christianizing them – usurping them to be blunt. The “Lamb” with “horns” sounds like Mithra and the Age of Aries that Mithra is meant to personify in his myths. People think they’re reading about the Jesus of the gospel stories throught the book of Revelation while in reality they’re reading a story referring to different earlier pre-christian mythic characters and the writer is referring to these earlier characters as if they are the Jesus character from the gospel stories, all of this happening while the writer is translating these older stories into Greek from earlier languages. But even the writers usurping attempts make sense in that the Age of Aries was over, a lot of the religious institutions and mystery schools of the world lasting through the Age of Aries had long since fallen into corruption by that point in time (especially according to Hall’s lectures on astrotheology and the mystery schools), and some astronomer / priests in Alexandria who were versed in both Paganism and Judaism were trying to make some changes after the new age of Pisces set in with a new hybridizing attempt. The astronomer / priests knew that they were moving into the next ascending “Bronze Age” and if we accept the early Age of Pisces as the beginning of the ascending “Bronze Age”, whether conceptually referring to it as a winter solstice or a spring equinox because the two dates are so religiously interwoven, the main point is the same. In both cases the outlook is one of “advancement” and progress – one from the perspective of light beginning to advance on the darkness and the other is one of light becoming fully dominant over the darkness. The Virgin Birth, Death and Resurrection, and Ascension motifs, all refer to the sun at the winter solstice in astrotheology. But we see the Death and Resurrection and Ascension celebrated later on in the spring.

          Perhaps the second coming motif is merely relating the idea that there’s a distance of time between the resurrection of the sun at the solstice and the full dominance of light after the equinox. The concept was Zoroastrian before it was Christian. So we see this theme also played out in the context of the “Great Year” – a first coming where darkness is still on the scene but then another final battle later between the “sons of light and the sons of darkness” where the darkness is fully defeated – this applying to both the physical light of the year as well as human awareness (Chakras / Stations of Mithra) during the “Great Year”.

          So the “Age of Pisces” received a new solar personification hero in this hybridizing attempt which utilizes many of the former solar personification hero characters from the former age (Mithra and Moses / Pagan Aries and Judean Aries). The end of the book of Revelation spells out the intent of the writer very clearly by harping on the number 12 over and over again for a few paragraphs and then going straight into giving the “twelve jewels” in reverse order symbolizing precession. Once again, Mithra was thought to be responsible for precession. If precession runs around from Aries back to Aries, well then Mithra / Aries is the “alpha and omega” of the precession. We see the mythic imagery of a “Lamb” with horns referring to itself as “alpha and omega” in Revelation. This seems to be one of the pre-Christian aspects of the story that were later attributed to the character of Jesus (Pisces) during the hybridization.

          Revelation 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. (16) I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

          I think we need to investigate the issue of “the alpha and omega” title originally referring to Mithra and then being grafted into this Christian hybridization. The morning star in the context of this verse isn’t referring to Venus, it’s referring to the Sun, and therefore probably “Mithra” originally. If so, then we see some Judaized hybridization mixed in about the offspring of David reflecting these older astrotheological stories being usurped by a Christian writer who was trying to insert the mythic character of “Jesus” into places where “Mithra” and “Anthropos” had once been.

          Perhaps the intent of the writer was to leave the older reference to Aries / Mithra and allude to Pisces / Jesus because of the low point of the “Iron Age” at the Aries-Pisces cusp (0 AD / CE). In that sense both characters are represented and interchangable in the allegory and only those familiar with what both characters symbolize allegorically would be able to understand the hybridization of the two – both characters being the Alpha and Omega because of the time frame of the cusp between Aries / Mithra and Pisces / Jesus.

        • SakeetaFOREVER

          If Truthseeker would shut up, and actually read what you said, they would realize that you were speaking about the symbolism. You mentioned that the torches respresent sattelites, that means its not literal, its symbolism. Truthseeker has issues, and is too full of them self to actually look up things and think for once.

          Your comments, Beef, are probably the best on here and you make a lot of sense. You are right about the 24 hour day being a Pagan construct, basically everything came from ancient Paganism.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          007 wrote:

          “In Revelations it is seen in the context of the 7 candle sticks representing the 7 known planets and the 7 seals representing the 7 ganglionic centers up the spine (the 7 stations of Mithra).”

          You really do enjoy repeating yourself, don’t you? Now hear this: You can repeat and you can repeat again. And still, you will have done nothing to demonstrate the veracity of anything you say. If the narrative of the Scriptures includes a repeated warning that paganism is worthless, and that it will one day be ripped up by its roots and thrown into the furnace, then ANYONE (including YOU 007) who claims that the Scriptures are based on those same pagan principles or tenets, should come to the table with something on which to base his absurd contentions. You have nothing but hot air.

          “Remember that the New Testament Scriptures were written in Greek after they were copied from earlier versions.”

          Forensic linguistics demonstrates that many of the New Testament Scriptures were originally recorded in GREEK. Chief among them are counted the Gospel of John and the Book of Revelation. What do you think they were recorded in 007? LATIN? Nothing doing.

          “You can also find the number 7 being very prominent in the Mithraic (Zoroastrian) Mysteries”

          Is that your idea of ‘proof’ or even evidence? If I have seven dollars in quarters in my front pocket, am I a Mithra-worshiping pagan priest?

          “…usurping them to be blunt.”

          So you say. And again, you say. But even you must be, by now, becoming cognizant (and perhaps a little ashamed) of the fact that your opponent keeps asking you for evidence and you keep offering him hot gas.

          And are we referencing Manly P. Hall now? Let me ask you something 007? Do you expect the followers of the Way of Messiah Yehoshua to seriously entertain the opinions and claims of a self-avowed Luciferian like Manly Hall? Manly Hall was an enemy of Truth, 007.

          “The Virgin Birth, Death and Resurrection, and Ascension motifs, all refer to the sun at the winter solstice in astrotheology.”

          And they are ALL later than the earliest recorded Gospel accounts. No exception. Want to know how I know? Because people like myself have been looking for years, and have been offering to PAY for a single, solitary shred of evidence that ANY of the pagan birth, death, and ascension ‘motifs’ are anything OTHER than late counterfeits, passed off as something pre-dating the Gospels. And this is why I hate your message so much, 007 – because I know it to be an outright fabrication. It is a brazen lie constructed to do harm to the Gospel message, and nothing more. And since you are a spreader of these lies, and since you are well aware that no sound evidence in support of these lies actually exists, then you are a willing servant of the enemies of the Most High. Consider what this means for your later end.

          “Perhaps the second coming motif is merely relating the idea that there’s a distance of time between the resurrection of the sun at the solstice and the full dominance of light after the equinox.”

          Nope. The Second Coming ‘motif’ (as you call it) is expanded upon throughout the scriptural narrative. It is seen in things like the Israelites being told, in the Book of Joshua, to FOLLOW THE ARK OF THE COVENANT, AT A SPACE OF ABOUT 2000 CUBITS, ACROSS THE JORDAN. Or again in the Book of Hosea: “After TWO DAYS He will revive us… IN THE THIRD DAY He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight.”
          You’re putting the cart before the horse 007. Stop looking for paganism in the Scriptures and you’ll be able to see a little more clearly.

          “The concept was Zoroastrian before it was Christian.”

          Here we go again. Prove it big boy.

          “If precession runs around from Aries back to Aries, well then Mithra / Aries is the “alpha and omega” of the precession.”

          Did you just make that up? How about me – am I the alpha and the omega if I circumnavigate the globe in my hot air balloon? Give me just a little more of your hot air, and maybe we’ll find out.

          “I think we need to investigate the issue of “the alpha and omega” title originally referring to Mithra and then being grafted into this Christian hybridization.”

          I would LOVE TO. Now then, show me where this term was used in a pre-Gospel accounting of Mithra.

          “The morning star in the context of this verse isn’t referring to Venus, it’s referring to the Sun, and therefore probably “Mithra” originally.”

          I kind of wish I could have seen the look on your face when you typed that line. Mona Lisa smile?

          And then more of the same. I think we’re about done here, 007. I think any newbies reading this, and those whose faith might be a little weak, have gotten a very clear idea about you and your message. Except that it’s worse for you now, because any hope you had in using the ‘ignorance’ excuse on the day of your judgment just got shot to pieces and left smoldering in the ditch. I sincerely hope you turn it around, 007. But if not, then I sincerely hope that you stop trying to lay an axe to the tender root of newcomers to this game, and that you stop trying to harm men’s souls with your pernicious lies.

        • Truthseeker007

          BEEF SUPREME its ridiculous how much you lie!! You lie so much you believe yourself. Sorry but this is going to be long and a lot of info is going to be presented to counteract your lies and foolish beleifs.

          When Tammuz died for the sins of humanity, the priesthood said he was put in a tomb and, three days later when they rolled back the stone, he was gone. All this was thousands of years before Christianity and it is just one of so many versions of the “Jesus” story that were told long before “Jesus” was supposed to have lived. Oh yes, in the spring rituals to mark the death and resurrection of Tammuz/Ninus, they offered buns inscribed with a solar cross – the hot cross buns of the much later “Christian” festival called Easter.

          Christianity is just recycled “paganism” that condemns “pagans” as evil. What hypocrisy. Even the term “Testament” is the entomological confirmation that it is literally all a load of balls.

          The root of Testament is “testes”. Apparently, tradition says that the ancient Hebrews used to hold the other guy’s balls, sorry “testes”, while hearing an oath. Funnily enough, they do the same in some of the Illuminati rituals today.in the King James Version of the Bible, Abraham has his servant swear upon his “thigh” according to the translation when, in Hebrew tradition, it would have been his dangly bits. It certainly gives new meaning to the term: “Got you by the balls”. Staring at a penis was another way to “God” in these times, I understand, and in some way this related to “remembering” the covenant. So the Old Testament means “Old Balls” and the New Testament means “New Balls”. When we testify in court is the judge symbolically holding our testicles? Of topic but anyway.

          Suns of god
          Tammuz was a name for the Sumerian god Dumazi or Damu (the “only begotten son” or “Son of the Blood”) who provided the blueprint for all the later sons of God, including Jesus. The Hebrews inherited Tammuz (also known as Adonis) from the Babylonians and the Roman records refer to Tammuz as the chief god of the Jews. The Jewish calendar still has a month named after Tammuz, who was known as “the serpent who emanated from the heaven-god, Anu.”3

          And Anu was the head of the Anunnaki, the Sumerian tablets say. The Mesopotamian kings were said to be of the bloodline of Tammuz, just as Sir Laurence Gardner claims that the Merovingian “true” royal line is the bloodline of Jesus. It was said that the land was given life by the blood of Tammuz and he was a healer, saviour, and a shepherd who looked after his flock of stars.

          He died wearing a “crown of thorns” made from myrrh. Tammuz was symbolically sacrificed on the Day of Atonement in the form of a lamb. He was worshipped in Jerusalem where his exact story would later be re-told using the name “Jesus”. And, take a deep breath here vicar, the cave in Bethlehem where Jesus is said to have been born, is the same one where the ancients claimed that Tammuz (Adonis) was born.

          The Bible “translator”, Jerome, admitted that Bethlehem had been a sacred grove dedicated to Tammuz, the fertility god or “spirit of the corn”. Bethlehem means “House of Bread” or “House of Corn”. Horns, the Egyptian Son of God, was born in the “Place of Bread” and Jesus said he was “the Bread of Life”.

          The priesthood took the ancient Sumer Sun religion, esoteric, astrological and astronomical knowledge, and the stories of their reptilian gods, and buried them in symbolic fables. This hid their real meaning, except to initiates, while introducing the rigid beliefs of the prison religions. Every major religion, Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, and Buddhism all had the same basic origin: the knowledge and beliefs of Sumer, which inherited the knowledge and beliefs of Atlantis and Lemuria. The major religions were all founded in the lands once occupied by the Sumer Empire.

          They may have emphasized different elements of the Sumer beliefs, but that was the mould from which they all came. The priesthood’s job was to withdraw the true knowledge from circulation and they twisted their manufactured religious texts until the knowledge that would set the people free was portrayed as “evil”. Look at Christianity. Another goal of the priesthood, or the “Long Frocks” as I call them, was to develop stories and themes that made the people feel powerless, insignificant, and in awe of invented religious deities.

          By being the “middlemen” to the gods (later “God”) and interpreters of the “law” laid down by these make-believe “deities”, they could control the people for their masters, the reptilian and other demonic entities. To stop the people rebelling against this suppression, control, and poverty, the priesthood stories had to promise a paradise in the afterlife for all those who obeyed “God’s law”. In other words, their law, the law of the Anunnaki. And for those who did not obey this “law”? Eternal hell and damnation.

          Even the term “sin”, as I have pointed out, comes from the name of an Anunnaki “god”.

          Out of Babylon (1): Judaism

          The texts that formed the Old Testament of the Bible, a foundation of Judaism and Christianity, were written after the Levite priesthood of the Hebrews were held in captivity after 586BC in… here we go… Babylon! I think the term “captivity” is less than appropriate, also. The early Hebrews worshipped the serpent god of the Sumer Empire and the Levites were called “Sons of the Great Serpent”.4

          Their god YHVH was depicted as part human, part serpent, and their sacred book of esoteric (hidden) knowledge, the Kabbala, means “Serpent Wisdom”.5 The Levites or Sons of the Great Serpent (bloodline) worshipped YHVH as a dragon called Leviathan, hence Levite.6

          YHVH’s serpent form was also known as Nehushtan or “Brazen Serpent” by the Levites and they placed golden and brass images of this deity on the altars of Hebrew temples.7

          Excavations have discovered bronze and copper serpent symbols in former Levite temples. The mythical story of Moses and the Brazen Serpent set upon a cross is symbolic of this same theme. The Babylonians had inherited the stories and myths of Egypt and Sumer, and now they would reappear in a twisted form in the texts that would later become the Old Testament. Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, which together make up the “Jewish” Torah, were all written by the Levites, or under their supervision, during or after the captivity in Babylon when the Levites joined forces with the network of the Babylonian reptilian priesthood.

          So you find the Sumerian story of King Sargon floating on the river in a basket of rushes rehashed by the Levites in the account of the mythical character called “Moses”. And the Sumerian Edin, the “abode of the gods”, became the Garden of Eden in the Levite tales. The Book of Genesis is an edited version of the Sumerian accounts and it is a mass of goddess symbolism. The “mana from heaven”, which the Moses-led Israelites were supposed to have received from “God” or YHVH/Jehovah, is actually a name for the goddess, Mana, who, like El, ruled the underworld.8

          The Romans knew her as Mana or Mania. Her ancestral spirits were called “manes”, as in the mane of the lion, so associated with the serpent cult, and of the horse, so connected with the Amazons or Valkeries. From the names Mana and Mania we get the word to describe crazed behavior. This is derived from worship of the Moon goddess, as in Moon-madness or “lunacy”. Mantra, the Sanskrit term for projecting vibrations by chanting words or sounds, comes from the same root. Manu was the name for the Indian version of Noah, who survived the deluge with the help of the Great Serpent Vasuki.

          In earlier times Manu was the womb of the goddess.
          The Levites, those Babylonian Mystery School initiates, invented an entire history for the Hebrews to hide the real story and create a fiercely imposed structure of religious control. The Rabbis continue that tradition to this day. There is far more about this story in The Biggest Secret, where I have highlighted the way these texts were coded with esoteric knowledge and why the vast majority of people who we call “Jewish” today have no genetic connection to Palestine or Israel.

          They originate, as Jewish sources have confirmed, from the Khazars, a people from southern Russia and the Caucasus Mountains, who had a mass conversion to Judaism in the 8th century. The terms “Jewish” and “Hebrew” have become mixed up. Some people we call Jewish go back to the Hebrews of the Middle East, but most do not.

          They come from the Caucasus. It shouldn’t matter where they come from, its just a body, but if people are being told a fib they have a right to know. So much of the “Hebrew” knowledge also came from the Egyptian Mystery schools and this is where the Hebrew language originated. The classic “Hebrew” or “Jewish” name, Cohen, comes from Cahen, the Egyptian name for priest and prince, and there are fundamental connections between the Hebrews and both Egypt and Babylon.

          After all, the people who became known as the Hebrews came from within the same Sumer Empire that included the lands we now call Israel or Palestine. They were just an expression of the same empire and doubtless the priesthood of the Sumerians, Egyptians, Hebrews, Sumerians, and Babylonians, were connected by the same brotherhood networks going back to Atlantis and Lemuria.

          The Sumerian priesthood were the middlemen between the people and the reptilian “gods” and so, in the end, were the others. The invented story of the “Exodus” was written to obscure the truth of what really happened in Egypt and there is no historical record outside of the Levite texts, nor any archaeological evidence, that any such “Exodus” ever took place. Between 1967 and 1982 when the Israelis occupied the Sinai Desert, they instigated a massive search for evidence of the 40 years the “Israelites” were supposed to have lived there.

          What did they find? Nothing.

          The loss of the Egyptian army in the Red Sea is not recorded in any historical document and this is utterly ludicrous if it had actually happened. The Greek historian Herodotus (C.485-425BC) traveled and researched the lands and history of Egypt and the Near East and yet he heard nothing of King Solomon, the mass exodus of “Israelites” from Egypt, or the Egyptian army drowned in the Red Sea. Neither did the Greek philosopher, Plato. L.A. Waddell, a fluent reader of Sanskrit, Sumerian, and Egyptian, researched that whole region in great detail.

          He concluded:

          “There is absolutely no inscriptional evidence whatsoever, nor any ancient Greek or Roman reference, for the existence of Abraham or any of the Jewish patriarchs or prophets of the Old Testament, nor for Moses, Saul, David, Solomon, nor any of the Jewish kings, with the mere exception of two, or at most three, of the later kings.”10

          Nor was there any claim for the existence of any of these people until the Levites were taken to Babylon where the plot was hatched. The same stories that were told about Abraham, like the near-sacrifice of his son, can be found in India. Earlier versions of “Moses” appear all over the Near and Middle East and the Mediterranean region under different names.

          In Babylon they said that God gave “Nemo the Lawgiver” the tablets of the law on a mountaintop. After the Levites left Babylon, they turned Nemo into “Moses”. In Syria, they had a guy they called “Mises”, who did all the things the Levites attributed to “Moses”. Like the Sumerian King Sargon, “Mises” was found as a baby floating in a basket of reeds or rushes.

          Mises went on to part the waters with his magical rod and he was the guardian of the law, written in stone. Another “Moses” was the Egyptian hero, Ra-Haraldhti, whose alleged life was also copied by the forgers of history.” The “Ten Commandments”, so associated with Moses, are a copy of the laws known as the Code of Hammurabi. These were written at least a thousand years earlier.

          Of course they were, the Code of Hammurubi came from… Babylon! But this code of Hammurabi goes back even further to our old friend Indara/Thor/St George, the first king of Sumer and his “Ten Commandments” of some 5,000 years ago. These were called in the Edda the “Hug Runes” with the word “hug” meaning affection, love, and good heart.

          Out of Babylon (2): Christianity

          The Old Testament was joined by the “New” with the founding of Christianity, a religion that was based on the same Levite fables. In fact, there was no “New Testament” until the 4th century AD. That’s a long time for the texts to be formulated for a religion that supposed to have been started 300 years earlier. And who arranged for all this? The Roman Emperor Constantine the “Great” after AD325.

          He was the official head of a Roman Empire controlled by the very same forces that had earlier controlled Babylon when the texts of the Old Testament started to be written. Just a coincidence, eh? Vendyl “Indiana” Jones, the director of the Institute for Judeo-Christian Research in Arlington, Texas, points out that “primal Christians” had only the Hebrew Torah, the first 5 books of “Moses”, the 22 books of the Prophets and Holy Writings that included Psalms, Proverbs, Job, Song of Songs, Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, Esther, Daniel, Ezra-Nehemiah, and the two books of Chronicles; plus the 14 books of the Apocrypha.

          There was nothing about “Jesus”. They met and worshipped with the Hebrews in the Synagogues and had no “Testament” of their own. Jones stresses that when we see terms in the New Testament like:

          “…the scripture saith… it is written… what saith the law… thus saith the Lord… or… as the prophet said…” they are referring to Old Testament writings.

          The first “Christians” based their faith on the texts of the Levites, just as they still do today.

          As Vendyl Jones says, the writers of what he calls the “Newer Testament” viewed the Older Testament of the Hebrew Scriptures as the supreme authority:

          “Much later their writings became the Newer Testament. Their authority was in the Torah primarily. This was enforced by the Prophets and Holy Writings. Their Newer Testament writings never showed or claimed supremacy over the Older Testament! They did all their writing in the Jewish mind-set. This attitude always concedes all authority to the Torah! It never irritates or challenges the authority of the Hebrew Scriptures.”17

          The big “C” is a big lie

          Christianity was just an “add-on” to the texts and laws decided by the Levites and their successors during and after the Babylon “captivity”. So what is Christianity and where did it come from? If you are a Christian, I should sit down and strap in. Christianity is largely a Sun religion and “Jesus” is not the “son”, but the Sun. Or at least that is part of his symbolism.

          We have already seen the similarities between “Jesus” and Balder of the serpent cult also, of course. The ancient Sun religion of Burner, and throughout the ancient world, was written down as a symbolic story, which Christians have been told to take literally. I hope you are ready for this, vicar. The main form of communication in the ancient world was symbolism and parable, and to understand the ancient Sun symbolism is to understand the major religions.

          They used the symbol in Figure 32 to symbolize the Sun’s journey through the year, or, more accurately, the Earth’s journey in relation to the Sun. This is the so-called Sun cross. It can be found throughout the ancient world. They drew a circle and a zodiac (a Greek word meaning animal circle) and added a cross to mark the four seasons, and the solstice and equinox points.

          At the centre of the cross they placed the Sun and this is where the theme of the Sun, or symbolically the “son”, on the cross originates.

          A similar symbol was used in Lemuria relating, James Churchward says, to the primal forces of creation. A long list of pre-”Jesus” deities were given the birthday of December 25th because of this Sun symbolism. The winter solstice, the lowest point or the Sun’s power in the northern hemisphere, is on December 21st/22nd. This was the time when the ancients said that the Sun had “died” and gone down into the dark place.

          By December 25th, three days later, they said the Sun had begun its journey back to the peak of its power in the summer and so they said that on this day the Sun was born or born again. The ancient Sun gods were given this “birthday”, three days after the winter solstice, for this reason. These deities didn’t exist, as everyone now accepts. They were symbolic of the Sun and so was Jesus, along with much other symbolism.

          The Christian “Christmas” is an ancient pagan festival under another name and so is Easter. On March 25th, the old date for Easter, the Sun enters the astrological sign of Aries, the ram or the lamb, and they sacrificed lambs in their rituals at this time to appease the gods and ensure a bumper harvest. Put another way, they believed the blood of the lamb would encourage the gods to forgive their sins.

          The story of Samson (Sam-sun) in the Old Testament is the same Sun symbolism. The ancients symbolized the Sun’s annual cycle as the life of a man. They would portray the Sun as a newborn baby on December 25th and he would grow up to become a big, strapping, very strong man at the summer solstice. This is the peak of the Sun’s power in the northern hemisphere when it dominates the darkness at the longest day. At this time, the Sun-man would be given long golden hair to symbolize the powerful rays of the summer Sun.

          As the Sun entered the house of Virgo the Virgin (the house of Delilah) at the start of autumn, this Sun-man would have his hair cut shorter as the power of the Sun began to fade. This is the real story of Samson. He was not a real person, but symbolic of the Sun. Samson, like Jesus, St Paul, and many other biblical characters, was said to be a Nazarene or Nazarite.

          Here we have the true meaning of the term “Jesus of Nazareth” or “Jesus the Nazarene”. The town of Nazareth did not exist during the alleged life of Jesus. There is no mention of it in any records or on any maps, even though detailed Roman records were kept at that time. It was founded after the Gospel stories were circulating. The Nazarite sect banned the cutting of hair, except in certain solar rituals, because the hair represented the rays of the sun. This could be the real origin of this custom that still continues today in the Sikh religion.

          The Nazarenes or Nazarites wore black, as did the Babylonian brotherhood, and this was inherited by the Christian church. Today the Arabic word for Christians is Nasrani and in the Muslim Koran they are the Nasara or Nazara. This comes from the Hebrew word, Nozrim, which derived from the term, Nozrei ha-Brit or Keepers of the Covenant. The Anunnaki covenant, it seems to me.

          Christianity was created by rehashing the ancient symbolic story of the Sun, together with Mystery school allegory and serpent cult symbolism presented as a literal story in an historical context. The elite priesthood and other initiates knew what the story really meant, and still do, but they tell the people it is literally true and damnation will befall them if they don’t believe it. Some 1,200 years before “Jesus”, the following was said in the East of the “heathen savior”, (Virishna): he was born to a virgin by Immaculate Conception through the intervention of a Holy Spirit. This fulfilled an ancient prophecy. When he was born, the ruling tyrant wanted to kill him. And his parents had to flee to safety.

          All male children under the age of two were slain by the ruler as he sought to kill the child. Angels and shepherds were at his birth and he was given gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh. He was worshipped as the savior of men and led a moral and humble life. He performed miracles, which included healing the sick, giving sight to the blind, casting out devils, and raising the dead. He was put to death on the cross between two thieves. He descended to hell and rose from the dead to ascend back to heaven. Just a coincidence, Archbishop? Well how about these, then?

          They all pre-date “Jesus”, often by thousands of years.

          Attis, the Son of God of Phrygia He was born on December 25th to a virgin mother. He was called a “savior”, the only begotten son, and died to save humanity. He was crucified on a Friday “Black Friday” – and his blood was spilled to redeem the Earth. He suffered death “with nails and stakes”. He was the Father and Son combined in an earthly body.

          He was put in a tomb, went down into the underworld, but three days later, on March 25th, his body was found to have disappeared from the tomb and he was resurrected as the “Most High God”. His body was symbolized as bread and eaten by those who worshipped him.

          Krishna (Christ), the Son of God of India He was born to a virgin mother on December 25th and his father was a carpenter. A star marked his birthplace, and angels and shepherds attended.

          The ruler slaughtered thousands of infants in an effort to kill him, but he survived and went on to perform miracles and heal the sick, including lepers, the blind, and the deaf. He died at about the age of 30 and some traditions say he was crucified on a tree. He was also portrayed on a cross, rose from the dead, and was considered the savior. His followers apparently knew him as “Jezeus” or “Jeseus”, which means “pure essence”. It is said that he will return on a white horse to judge the dead and fight the “Prince of Evil”.

          Dionysus or Bacchus, the Son of God of Greece He was born to a virgin mother on December 25th and put in a manger and swaddling clothes. He was a teacher who traveled, performing miracles. He turned water into wine (like the Sun) and rode in triumph on an ass (so did the Egyptian deity, Set). He was the ram or the lamb, God of the Vine, God of Gods and King of Kings, Only Begotten Son, bearer of sins, Redeemer, Anointed One (Christos), Alpha and Omega. He was hung and crucified on a tree, but rose from the dead on March 25th.

          During the 1st century BC, the Hebrews in Jerusalem also worshipped this deity. J.M. Roberts writes in Antiquity Unveiled (Health Research, 1970) that “IES, the Phoenician name for Bacchus, offers the origin to Jesus”. He says IES can be broken up into “I” (the one) and “es” (fire and light). Taken as one word, “ies” means the one light.

          He goes on:

          “This is none other than the light of St John’s gospel; and this name is to be found everywhere on Christian altars, both protestant and catholic, thus clearly showing that the Christian religion is but a modification of Oriental Sun Worship, attributed to Zoroaster. The Christians read the same letters ‘IHS’ in the Greek text as ‘Jes’ and the Roman Christian priesthood added the terminus ‘us’.”

          Here are some of the other pre-Christian deities of whom the “Jesus” story was told:

          Apollo, Hercules, and Zeus of Greece; Adad and Marduk of Assyria; Buddha Sakia and Indra of India and Tibet; Salivahana of southern India and Bermuda; Osiris and Horus of Egypt; Odin, Balder, and Frey of Scandinavia; Crite of Chaldea; Zoroaster of Persia; Baal (Bel) and Taut of Phoenicia; Bali of Afghanistan; Jao of Nepal; Wittoba of Bilingonese; Xamolxis of Thrace; Zoar of the Bonzes; Chu Chulainn of Ireland; Deva Tat, Codom, and Sammonocadam of Siam; Alcides of Thebes; Mikado of the Sintoos; Beddru of Japan; Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillaham of the Druids; Thor, son of Odin, of Gauls; Cadmus of Greece; Hil and Feta of Mandaites; Gentaut and Quetzalcoatl of Mexico; Universal Monarch of the Sibyls; Ischy of Formosa; Divine Teacher of Plato; Holy One of Xaca; Fohi, Ieo, Lao-Kium, Chiang-Ti, and Tien of China; Ixion and Quirnus of Rome; Prometheus of the Caucasus; Mohammed or Mahomet of Arabia, Dahzbog of the Slavs; Jupiter, Jove, and Quirinius of Rome; Mithra of Persia, India, and Rome.18

          The cult of Mithra originates thousands of years before “Jesus” and yet again tells the later Christian story in fine detail. It is even said that gold, frankincense, and myrrh, were offered to him. By the time that Jesus was invented by the Anunnaki priesthood, the Mithra rites and religion were widespread throughout the Roman Empire.

          When they founded Christianity in Rome, they used the symbols and myths of the Mithric rituals. Mithra’s sacred day was Sunday because he was, like Jesus, symbolic of the Sun. Mithra worshippers called this the “Lord’s Day” and they celebrated the main Mithra festival during what is now Easter. Mithra initiations were held in caves adorned with the signs of Capricorn and Cancer, symbolic of the winter and summer solstices. He was portrayed as a winged Lion (the Sun) standing within a spiraling serpent.

          The lion and the serpent are, of course, major symbols of the serpent cult/Illuminati. The Roman Church encompassed the Mithra Eucharist into its “Christian” rituals. Mithra was claimed to have said: “He who shall not eat of my body nor drink of my blood, so that he may be one with me and I with him, shall not be saved.” The very site on which the Vatican was built was a sacred place of Mithra worship. It still is. They just call him Jesus. As I have written before, the cult of Mithra simply became the cult of Myth-ra – Christianity.

          Mithra was a symbol for the Sun and so was his Christian version. Jesus was the Light of the World (the Sun); he will come back on the clouds and everyone shall see him (the Sun). Jesus walks on water (the Sun’s reflection does that); Jesus performed his Father’s work in the temple at the age of 12 and started his ministry at 30. The Sun reaches it’s daily peak at 12 noon when the ancients, like the Egyptians, said that the Sun was the “Most High God”.

          The Sun enters each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hence he starts his “ministry” at 30. Jesus is claimed to have turned water into wine because that is what the Sun does by making the grapes grow. There is much zodiac symbolism in the Bible, as with the two fishes (Pisces) and the 12 baskets (zodiac signs) into which Jesus places his multiplied loaves during the “feeding of the 5,000″. Jesus was the “fish” and “fisher of men” perhaps because the Earth was entering the sign of Pisces the fish at the time he was supposed to have lived.

          But there is so much “fish” symbolism with regard to these solar deities throughout history that we cannot ignore a symbolic connection with the tales of fish gods and amphibious beings – the Nommo or Annedoti, etc. of Sirius. Remember, too, that the Dogon recount the story that the amphibious Nommo said that one of them would be crucified. The translation of the end of the world comes from the Greek “aeon” and refers to the end of the “age” and not the “world”. The end of the age is the end of the 2,160-year cycle, during which the Earth passes through an astrological sign. Today we are nearing the end of another age, as we leave Pisces and enter Aquarius.

          Here are some more of the “Jesus” myths decoded.
          http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/matrix/matrix11.htm

    • westside prepper

      alot of mysteries in revalations im not very good personally to understand parables the only one i feel i understand is the fall of babylon which in my understanding is without a doubt united states.
      im not sure why but when i read of the fall of bablon it fits united states excatly as if someone was writing about us and didnt know the name…dont believe me because im not a holy enough to interpt the bible,but read and see who do you think they are speaking of. and people calling others stupid because they dont follow there understanding of the bible my question to you are you holy enough to say how gods word should be interpted.

    • Truthseeker

      It would require 20 plus pages to correct this twisted mishmash of scripture.

      But just a few points:

      The whole House of Jacob is taken captive beginning at the 5th Seal, 100′s of millions.

      The 144,000 and the Great Multitude come out of the 5th Seal, which is the Great Tribulation
      converted and are given the Holy Spirit at the beginning of the 7th Seal.

      The 144,000 are part of the First Fruits and rise in the First Resurrection at Christ’s return. The is no rapture to heaven ever!! The First Fruits, the Saints, rise to meet Christ and rule on earth with Him as kings and priest for the 1000 years. Christ is King of kings, the Saints are the kings.

      The great multitude (10′s of millions) are freed from captivity at the return of Christ and begin the 2 Exodus to Jerusalem. They are the physical remnant of the Whole House of Israel and are given the Promised Land for the third and final time.

    • truthuncovered

      Really people.??… This story is about a god that has limited seating capacity or created most the world to die…..

      The idea that there is a jew favoring god is subjugation in the first racist form.

      The creator does not favor a certain people to rule over the rest of the humans. Nor do I believe there is limited seating in a jew only transport…………….

      This whole story is formed to make you think you were born inferior to another because god wants you as less worth than another…. Your still eating it’s words

      There is something else other than the jew lie.

    • JustDave

      Grimm’s Fairy tales are based on more fact than this poorly written, probably hallucinogen induced, crap thrown together that you people are referring too. :razz: :razz: :razz:

    • Louis

      What a horribly warped article — beginning with the heretical notion of a “rapture” that isn’t going to happen.

      The prophets have said that, in the last days, a swarm of false prophecies will arise like a plague of flies to confuse everyone — this article is a perfect example of that.

      The 144,000 are baptized Christian virgin males of Jewish extraction who will preach the gospel of Christ during the reign of Antichrist. Every one of them will suffer martyrdom.

      At present, there is more actual Jewish blood flowing in the veins of Christians than there is in the veins of people who call themselves Jews. 8 out of 10 modern Jews are actually the gentile ancestors of Khazars — Turkic barbarians who converted to Judaism in the 8th century A.D.

      Since 1948, when the modern state of Israel was founded, no Israeli prime minister has ever been an actual Jew.

    • HydroFlow

      I’m gonna go on record and say that most of you probably didn’t read the article. I knew the answer when I read the title. The 144,000 refers to the converted true Jews saved from Armageddon. For all the naysayers how and why would you be against a Rapture of the Church?

      • Truthseeker

        Hydroflow,

        Have you ever heard of a Jew from the Tribe of Ephraim?? You will search in vain.

        Read the Bible, God divide the House of Jacob in two, the House of Israel and the House of Judah. The first place in the Bible where the slang term “Jew” is used the House of Israel is at war with the House of Judah i.e. the Jews.

        As far as a rapture, please show one scripture that says any human in what ever form will go to heaven. “The Meek shall inherit the earth”. The problems to be fixed are here on earth, Christ is returning bringing the government of God to earth to restore earth and man to the Garden of Eden. That is the Good News that Christ brought to us.

        God need not one man to assist Him in heaven it is already perfect

        • HydroFlow

          http://contenderministries.org/prophecy/rapturetrib.php
          http://www.raptureready.com/rr-pre-trib-rapture.html
          I’ll just leave these here. Try the first one. It’s a good read. The second on clues you in on the 144,000 as well

        • JustAComment

          I have a radical theory that actually relates to theology: the 144,000 are people, servants of God, from the tribes of the children of Israel, as Revelation plainly states. (“Is this possible? How could this be? Are you saying they don’t represent the Anunnaki of Nibiru? Illuminati shill! BIN plant! And what is this theology stuff?”)

          Good links, HydroFlow!

        • HydroFlow

          Thanks JustaComment. Right or wrong. If some of these ppl would read the Bible with an open mind and heart and pray for the divination of the Holy Spirit, then he would guide you as to how it’s supposed to be interpreted as it was meant to be. Trust me he wouldn’t lead you astray

        • JustAComment

          Agree entirely. One problem you see these days is the web itself. People form their instant theology from many crackpot websites and cults, based on what they prefer to believe, rather than the old fashioned way of spending years of prayerful study in the Bible itself, with a Bible dictionary such as Smith’s, heavy use of a concordance, original languages and multiple translations when seeking some unclear detail, and theologically honored commentaries from the sincere likes of Walvoord or the Geneva Bible and older commentaries, or early church fathers writings: works that have stood the test of time to have enduring esteem, not some Johnny-come-lately amateurs on the web, spending more time arguing and spreading error than studying anything. The harmony of the gospel, Old and New Testament, becomes clear over the years when you study this way, and it becomes easy to spot all the error that conflicts with the harmony and context of scripture.

          I fear this generation doesn’t appreciate that true Bible knowledge is not quickly or easily obtained, and this before starting to pontificate pure error that you see all over the place on the web. Even “one verse” eschatology doctrine the Bible, itself, clearly proves to be error is all over, and usually because of some book being hyped with a new end times theory, to sell books. (Like instances where reading a few more verses into the chapter shows the Old Testament prophecy is a picture of the end of the tribulation, not what these authors claim, and not something that’s going to happen next week, etc.) But thank you, too. Enjoyed the brush with truth and Bible sanity which becomes more and more rare.

    • The Marian Catechist

      The general understanding is that the 144,000 is a symbolic number referring to a large multitude of those who have remained faithful to the Church during the persecution of antichrist. It is not to be understood exactly. The same concept applies to the idea of 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth. This is a symbolic number representing a very long time and is not to be taken literally. Also, Christ will not reign physically, as an earthly ruler, but rather spiritually through the real and true Presence of His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity in the Holy Eucharist.

      • JustAComment

        Just rubbish. What else can be said, though you did say one thing true, to your mind, “It is not to be understood exactly.”?

        2 Timothy 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

        • King of Shambhala

          The 144 000 are those who reveal Obama’s the Antichrist.

          Alll others will be damned in hell.

          Who will you be?

      • Louis

        Servus Mariae — you are wrong about who the 144,000 will be. Read my comment above. The 144,000 are Catholic male virgin prophets of Jewish descent who will preach the word of Christ during the reign of Antichrist and suffer martyrdom. They will later be resurrected from the dead and be priests of God during the 1,000-year (very lengthy) holy age, and follow Christ wherever he goes.

        I also object to your practice of posting articles but refusing to allow comments. I find that cowardly. The Great Harlot of Babylon is Judaic-Freemasony-Communism which, during the past 100 years, has become drunk with the blood of Christians (and the unborn) and will inflict Antichrist on the world.

        I commend your efforts to defend Catholic truth and prophecy, but you should learn more about those two subjects first.

    • someone who cares

      The 144,000 are the ones the aliens are going to save to restart humanity.
      The rest get eaten! :lol: :lol: :lol:

    • Tim

      why are you all arguing about this?First things First. You all must understand what a (jew) as you call them really is.When you say (JEW) you are refering to a blood-line. A direct BLOODLINE untainted by the fallen one.Why was the earth flooded?And whos Bloodline was preserved? GODS.So when you say (jew) know who you are speaking of.Its easy.Satin was cast out of heaven and came here and im quite sure this isnt the only place he is either.He along with 199 others were cast out.And he was here before we were.And being a dimentional being im sure hes all across the universe.He knows it well enough,he was part of Gods creation,Why wouldnt he?angel of the morning.Know your history,Know where you really came from and who you really are.Seek ye first the kingdom of god.And the rest shall be added unto you.God will show you all you need to know.Dont be swayed by paganisuim,false doctrine,God will show you The way.

    • Illumined777

      Abortion is harsh….but accurate.

      James 3:1
      Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.

    • Hi NSA, kiss my artichoke

      Lost interest at “Rapture”.
      Or were you referring to Debbie Harry?
      Good song, bogus event.

    • Jarheadusmc

      Quite simply the 144,000, for anyone who has read the Apocalypse are the 144,000 Jews who on the last days of the earth will be saved, after they have seen what has happened and converted to Christianity, the rest of Jewry will be lost – it has nothing to do with the rest of mankind.

      • BEEF SUPREME

        Quite simply, for anyone who has read the Book of Revelation, we see that only 12,000 of the 144,000 can be Jews, and no more than that.

        Please check your facts and figures again Marine.

        • Truthseeker007

          Hey BEEF SUPREME don’t you find it odd that A Baktun is 20 Katun cycles of the ancient Maya Long Count calendar, which contains 144,000 days. So don’t you think that they’re is a chance that the writer of Revelations stole that number from the Maya long count calender and put they’re own spin on it?

        • BEEF SUPREME

          Look, 007!!!

          There’s a pyramid in Giza with 144,000 stones!!!

          THUS…

          John must have STOLEN his ideas from that pyramid architect.

          This is the kind of nonsense you opponents of Scripture always descend to when pressed hard enough. Are there 11′s in the written Word? How about 33′s? Well then, the authors must have been Freemasons.

          Reel it in man.

    • Callengreen

      OK…I can’t keep quiet anymore. Time to point out a few things.
      First, I would like to challenge any of you who would suppose this article to be incorruptible truth to do three things;

      1. Find any scripture, any scripture at all, that says when you die, you are going to a different place called “heaven”. It doesn’t state that anywhere in the Holy Bible. Think about it. …”and the dead in christ shall rise first” then the other followers of Yashua Messiah are changed in the “twinkling of an eye”. Here is being “born again” in the literal reference.

      2. Pray for the ability to strongly desire, recognize and respond to unvarnished truth. Read Matthew 24. It is the words of Yashua Messiah, and he gives a private (only to his disciplined followers, disciples) chronological run down of end time conditions, repeatedly stating “and then… and then” many times over. Sure enough, theres a reference used (leaving one and taking another) to tell everyone they will escape correction. It’s easier to keep the money flowing in if you tell people what they want to hear. But a truly loving father doesn’t work that way, especially when it comes to obstinate children. And that is, among many things, what The Creator is. A loving father. Check it out… Matt:24…There is a lot of darkness to come before one is left and the other taken.

      3. Try a little research into this. You’ve been duped for only about 190 years or so over the whole “rapture” mess. It was first spat out by a dude named John Darby and got real traction after some time with A scotch-irish woman need Margret McDonald.

      The whole thing is in place so we CAN be fooled, if we fail to diligently seek truth. Yashua said “I am the Truth”. And many who profess will be fooled, especially if we sit on our butts twice a week thinking ourselves righteous for being there and have not taken up the responsibility to learn for ourselves. It’s a personal thing for each person. But if instead, we allow whatever the local church celebrity (preacher) has to say, what are we going to think when it turns out he’s towing the line for some churchy organization of men? Seems we need to realize The Creator ain’t one to recognize people for their social stature. He looks on the inside. In all of us.

      Don’t fear it.Think about it.
      All over the Bible we’re told “don’t fear” and to “consider”(i.e. understand) Look into what The Creator says about knowledge. “my people suffer for a lack of…”….because you refuse knowledge, I refuse you”. It’s among other examples, in Hosea 4th chapter. Straight from the Creator of the “horses mouth” ,so to speak.

      Lastly, You have to know the enemy and his plan. It’s not for an atheistic world. The enemy of all that is good wants your unconditional worship, obedience, and adoration. Both mainstream christianity and atheism will be defeated (Rev. 13:7).The goal is world wide luciferianism/satanism and many of those who watch the horrors enumerated in Matthew 24, while expecting to be shielded and “raptured” away, will lose faith in The Creator and His Sacrificial Provision, Yashua Messiah and willingly obey their destroyer. You can’t fool all those people without a false messiah, a false war of armageddon, and a false Israel, wrapped up in a pretty bow of false peace.

      Yashua is looking for king, priests, and judges (Rev20). He is not saving “some flesh” for frivolous reasons.
      So, what’s it going to be for those who would call themselves “His people?”
      Churchianity or Christianity?

    • Remnant Of Israel

      Look up “alias israel” by james lloyd..he’s probably the foremost teacher who might straighten out the mishmash i’ve seen on this page..he proves that the only Israel is the born again saints.
      Carnal Israel was lost during their captivity. and Jesus, when HE was alive was Israel in its entirety. Being born again through HIM allows you to enter the nation He’s remade. Remember God is a Spirit..he’s not interested in skin color or lineages..circumcision is of your heart. The tree the newly saved are grafted to is the born again Israel.

      I have lost none..It is finished..(the words of Messiah that does not allow any future repentance of carnal jews)
      “a jew is one inwardly..ye must be born again”..these scriptures identifies spiritual realities.

      Substitution you say. As prophesied by jeremiah God remakes the same vessel..he doesn’t throw it away and use another vessel
      Scofield was a criminal liar..his disciples have taught his error and misled many. Don;t be a part of those who preach you’ll float off and then jews will repent. It’s that “different gospel” and that “other Jesus” that Paul speaks about. Don’t give away your birthright as the Israel of God to a warmongering tribe of Christ-haters.

      12x 12 [old testament, new testament or 12 tribes, 12 apostles] (foundation)

      10 [God's number for trial-test your people for ten days etc.]

      The 144,000 are the finished church..each tribe has a meaning associated with its name represented by the doors into the heavenly city..(“you are a city, set upon a wall’..”enter into the gates”)

    • Truthseeker007

      Vedic use of 4320, the period of two zodiac ages, is the basis of the day of Brahma,

      The turtle Kurma, upon which the universe rests in the churning of the sea of milk, is the Large Magellanic Cloud, the point of the south ecliptic pole around which the south celestial pole rotates each Great Year.

      The cycle of Yugas from Golden to Iron Ages in the Vedas, Daniel, Hesiod and Virgil is the Great Year

      The Argo, the ship of Jason and Gilgamesh (and Noah), has fifty rowers, matching to the fifty arc seconds of precession per year

      Jason’s quest for the golden fleece is the move back in time to find the golden age when Vega was the north pole star hidden behind the dragon Draco

      The dream stela between the paws of the sphinx of Giza shows Leo and Aquarius, symbols of the poles of the Great Year

      Job says only God can bring forth the zodiac in its proper time. (38:31)

      Ezekiel’s wheels within wheels are the day, the year and the Great Year

      Jesus sends forth 70 or 72 disciples, corresponding to the period of actual precession by one degree as just short of 72.

      The dragon that sweeps one third of the sky is the 1/3 of the Great Year while the north celestial pole is in the constellation Draco.

      The bear-lion with leopard spots is the period of the fall while the north celestial pole is in the constellations of the big bear, adjacent to the lion, and the little bear.

      Loaves and fishes are the Easter polarity of Virgo and Pisces in the Age of Pisces dawning at the time of Christ

      Alpha and omega are the moment at the time of Christ when the equinox precessed from Aries to Pisces

      Mithraic Tauroctony with bull and scorpion is symbol of victory of man over bull in victory of the Age of Aries over Taurus/Scorpio

      Adam as avatar of age of Taurus, Abraham and Moses as avatars of the Age of Aries, and Christ as avatar of the Age of Pisces

      Ulysses escaping from the cyclops by clinging to the belly fleece of a ram as victory of age of Aries over age of Taurus

      The Finnish Kalevala epic of the loss of the Sampo millstone is the fall from the golden age.

      The 540 gates of Valhalla on top of the world tree Yggdrasil are 1/4 of a zodiac age.

      Cherubim with flaming swords is the constellation Gemini, guarding the path to the past when the equinox was on the other side of the Milky Way.

      Peter says 1000 years is as a day for God, matching the 7000 years from fall to redemption to the seven days of creation

      666: 6x6x6x10 = 2160, indicating 666 as symbol of the Age of Pisces as a 2160 year period of material darkness and false belief

      The river of life with a tree growing on both banks bearing one fruit per month is the Milky Way and the zodiac

      Holy city with twelve jewel foundations as twelve zodiac signs in reverse from Pisces to Aries is the Great Year.

      The Second Coming of Jesus Christ is the dawn of the Age of Aquarius.

      The idea that the old star worshipping cultures of Babylon and Egypt were not aware of precession is farcical. What is really astounding is that European racism could have been so extreme as to fail to engage explicitly with the intellectual heritage of the older civilizations, going so far as to nearly wipe all trace of the old natural cosmology from living memory.

      • am123

        You speak a lot of the constellations and stars. A lot of good that stuff will do you when the fire comes raining down—not!

        Your astrology and what not will be of no help you to quench the raging inferno that is coming your way according to the prophet Isaiah:

        13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.

        14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.

        —Isaiah 47:13-14

        Want my advice?

        Well I’m going to give it to you anyway!

        I would stand a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG way back from the eternally raging inferno lest ye be scorched by its flames!

        If you want to avoid being burnt to a crisp I would repent of this astrological foolishness and go and drink freely from the SPRING of the WATER OF LIFE (see REV 21:6, 22:17) and live forever!

        • Truthseeker007

          AM123 Your Heaven and Hell belief come from:

          “Zoroaster was thus the first to teach the doctrines of an individual judgment, Heaven and Hell, the future resurrection of the body, the general Last Judgment, and life everlasting for the reunited soul and body. These doctrines were to become familiar articles of faith to much of mankind, through borrowings by Judaism, Christianity and Islam;
          http://www.avesta.org/

          AM123 your also a sick person for wanting people to burn in a fire you should seek medical help.

          Some examples from Zoroastrianism:

          This comes from the THE BOOK OF ARDA VIRAF

          http://www.avesta.org/mp/viraf.html

          CHAPTER 28
          1.I also saw the soul of a man who was held in the atmosphere, (2) and fifty demons ever flogged him, before and behind, with darting serpents. 3.And I asked thus: ‘What sin was committed by this body, whose soul suffers such a punishment?’ 4.Srosh the pious, and Adar the angel, said (5) thus: ‘This is the soul of that wicked man who, in the world, was a bad ruler, (6) and was unmerciful and destructive among men, and caused torment and punishment of various kinds.’

          CHAPTER 31
          1.I also saw the soul of a man (2) who, from head to foot, remained stretched upon a rack; (3) and a thousand demons trampled upon him, and ever smote him with great brutality and violence.4.And I asked thus: ‘What sin was committed by this body?’5.Srosh the pious, and Adar the angel, said (6) thus: ‘This is the soul of that wicked man who, in the world, collected much wealth; (7) and he consumed it not himself, and neither gave it, nor allowed a share, to the good; but kept it in store.’

          CHAPTER 36
          1.I also saw the soul of a man (2) who stood up, in hell, in the form of a serpent like a column; (3) and his head was like unto a human head, and the remaining body, unto a serpent.4.And I asked thus: ‘What sin was committed by this body?’5.Srosh the pious, and Adar the angel, said (6) thus: ‘This is the soul of that wicked man who, in the world, committed apostacy; (7) and he fled into hell, in the form of a serpent.’

          Also refer to the Book of the Dead for more plagerism from the Bible writers:

          PlateVII
          Who then is this? It is An-a-f, the god who bringeth his arm. As concerning [the words] “that night of the reckoning of destruction,” it is the night of the burning of the damned, and of the overthrow of the wicked at [the sacred] block, and of the slaughter of souls.
          http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/egipto/egypt_bookdead/bodead-plate-07-10.htm

          The Christian Bible,belief and religion is just plagerism from other religions and sources.

        • Truthseeker007

          AM123 I would also like to add this nice pice of information:

          Most people don’t realize that the Bible is a doomsday book and Christians are a death worshiping cult. The Bible teaches that history ends and everything gets destroyed by the savior god that comes back in vengeance. Sounds appealing to those under the spell. We worship death and think we are going to heaven. Those in the cult are blinded by the memes, they can’t see like a fish that is unable to detect water. Want out of hell? Stop worshiping hell and calling it heaven, stop thinking that punishment is a good thing and that we need more prisons. Stop worshiping a judging god because by doing that you are programming your mind to be judgmental. With a judgmental mind you will vote and create a police state, a prison planet.

          Most Americans are psychotic because they agree to the Bible premise of eternal punishment, where the unsaved go to a hell and are tortured eternally. This is a monster philosophy, believing in these ideas makes you a monster, you will think nothing of those being tortured throughout the worldwide American gulag. The ultimate ego trip is believing that you are saved while all the rest go to hell, with that supremacist philosophy you can be made to do anything, like dropping bombs on everyone unsaved. And the one thing that Jewish-Christian Supremacist America loves to do is drop bombs on everyone else. Vietnam was your cultures psychosis unveiled.

          When you quit with the Bible hell you’ve been taught then you will stop projecting that meme on the world.
          Yukon Jack

        • Truthseeker007

          There is an interesting correlation between the Gathas of Zarathushtra Yasna (the sacred texts of the Zoroastrians) and the chapter of creation and book of Isaiah in the Old Testament. This can be largely attributed to the influence that the Mesopotamians held over the Israelites during the time the Israelites were living in Babylon. Strangely, the book of Yasna asks questions which are answered directly in the book of Isaiah. There are countless other examples of influences from Zoroastrianism, but this one is very compelling. Some examples of these similarities texts are:

          Yasna 44.3 :4-5:“who made the routes of the sun and stars? By whom the moon waxes and wanes?”

          Isaiah 40:26: “Lift up your eyes on high, and see who hath created these things: who bringeth out their host by number, and calleth them all by their names: by the greatness of his might, and strength, and power, not one of them was missing.”

          Yasna 44.4:1-3: “who fixed the earth below and kept the sky above from falling?”

          Isaiah 40:12: “Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and weighed the heavens with his palm? Who hath poised with three fingers the bulk of the earth, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?”

          http://listverse.com/2013/06/30/ten-influences-on-the-bible/

          Also see:
          Zoroastrianism & Christianity
          http://historicaltextarchive.com/sections.php?action=read&artid=754

          Anyone versed in the New Testament would easily recognize the core of Zoroastrian doctrine.

        • am123

          You said:

          “AM123 your also a sick person for wanting people to burn in a fire you should seek medical help.”

          To the contrary, I don’t want to see you burn in the fire, hence the exhortation to seek out the spring of living water. I am warning you that you are in the path of a coming inferno and am telling you to get out of the way and seek safety and shelter.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          “This can be largely attributed to the influence that the Mesopotamians held over the Israelites during the time the Israelites were living in Babylon.”

          Nice try. Isaiah lived considerably earlier than the Babylonian captivity. And the Book of Isaiah was written by… Isaiah.

          “Anyone versed in the New Testament would easily recognize the core of Zoroastrian doctrine.”

          If there’s any merit to that claim, which I highly doubt, its because the Zoroastrians were thieves. Any notable resemblance to the Gospels found in ANY pagan religious documents exists because it was added well after the Gospels were written. This is a fact which can be explored by anyone with internet access and a pulse. It’s just another in a long line of fabricated lies trying to discredit or detract from the Gospels.

        • Truthseeker007

          Am123 and Beef Supreme yous are both delusional.

          Beef Supreme wow you are either really dumb or a pathological liar who believes his own lies.

          The present Book of Isaiah is a compilation and had two, and probably three main authors. First Isaiah, signing as Isaiah son of Amoz, wrote during the eighth century BCE, regarding things that he saw during the reigns of Kings Uzziah (Azariah), Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah of Judah. Second Isaiah wrote more than a hundred years later, during the Babylonian Exile. Third Isaiah wrote of events after the Return from Exile.
          http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_was_the_Book_of_Isaiah_written

          Prophet: Zarathushtra
          The religion was founded by Zarathushtra. His date is uncertain, but is probably somewhere around 1200 BC. He lived and preached in the Inner Asian steppes. Zarathushtra received his revelations directly from Ahura Mazda, and from his Archangels (Amesha Spentas).
          http://www.avesta.org/zfaq.html

          Zoroastrianism is far older then any bible documents.

          Over time, as Jews encountered the religion of Zoroastrianism, the faith of their Persian masters which contained many similarities with Judaism, many of these Jews adopted and adapted Zoroastrian tenets in order to make their religion suit their present needs. Over the centuries following the exile, a new branch of Jewish theology arose, which in turn gave rise to Christianity.2

          To understand how Zoroastrianism infiltrated Judaism, and thus later Christianity, the person and religion of Zoroaster must first be illuminated. Zoroastrianism is the religion of Zoroaster or Zarathustra. Zoroaster is the Greek form of Zarathustra which meant, “he who can manage camels.” Zoroaster lived on the central Asian steppes of Iran at the beginning of the Iron Age in Iran, somewhere between 1400 and 1000 B.C.E

          It needs to be noted in this brief sketch that Zoroastrianism contains two key doctrines that set it apart from the religions of its day and also sets the standard for later monotheistic religions. One, Zoroastrianism emphasizes the equality of men and women. Anyone, big or small, rich or poor, could possess salvation if they obeyed Ahura Mazda and sought to live an ethical life. Two, the dualism of good and evil forces, light and dark, angels and devils, represented a radical departure from the prevalent monism and cyclical order of the world found in the surrounding religions. This would later bear even more fruit in Judaism and Christianity.

          later Zoroastrian doctrine developed the idea of the Saoshyant (one who brings benefit/world savior). Over the final three millennia, three Saoshyants would be sent, each one born of a virgin. The virgin would bathe in a sacred lake where Zoroaster’s seed had been hidden.
          This cosmic drama will be concluded with a general resurrection (both good and evil) and a final judgment. All mankind will be resurrected from the dead.

          later Zoroastrian doctrine developed the idea of the Saoshyant (one who brings benefit/world savior). Over the final three millennia, three Saoshyants would be sent, each one born of a virgin. The virgin would bathe in a sacred lake where Zoroaster’s seed had been hidden.

          One can quickly see the parallels between Zoroastrianism and Christianity. A brief catalog of shared concepts includes: a belief in God and Satan, a belief in angels and demons, a belief in heaven and hell, a belief in individual judgment at death, a belief in physical resurrection and the coming of a redeemer figure, and a belief that the world will culminate in a final battle between good and evil.

          The Babylonians removed to Babylon the last vestiges of the nation of Israel through three deportation between 606 and 586 B.C.E. In anger over Jewish resistance, the Babylonians destroyed the city of Jerusalem and the sacred temple of Solomon. Eventually the Jews found new masters when the Persian Empire, under Cyrus, conquered the Babylonians by 550. The Achaemenid kings practiced the religion of Zoroastrianism.

          To understand how much Zoroastrianism came to overshadow Judaism and seep into Jewish thinking, one must first possess an overview of pre-exilic Judaism.

          but several definitive examples will be given to show the change in Judaism influenced by Zoroastrianism. One example can be found in the writings of II Isaiah (Isaiah 40-66). Isaiah must have been alive sometime after the ascent of Persia. The Jews welcomed the overthrow of the Babylonians and looked with approval on the religious tolerance practiced by Cyrus and the later Achaemenid rulers. Cyrus allowed the Jews to return to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple. II Isaiah goes so far to as to call Cyrus his Messiah or “Anointed One” (Isaiah 45:1, 13). Cyrus would be one who would establish justice and righteousness. One scholar who looked at Yasna 44 and several sections of Isaiah (40, 44, 45) found striking parallels concerning the cosmology of Ahura Mazda and Yahweh. Both passages ask a series of questions like “Who created the heavens?” In the Yasna, the answer is Ahura Mazda. In the Isaiah passages, the answer is Yahweh. Both are portrayed as the universal creator of all men. He concluded that Second Isaiah relied on the Zoroastrian Yasna as a textual source.25

          Concerning these references in Second Isaiah, preeminent Zoroastrian scholar Mary Boyce concluded, “The parallels with Zoroastrian doctrine and scripture are so striking that these verses have been taken to represent the first imprint of that influence which Zoroastrianism was to exert so powerfully on post-exilic Judaism.26

          Daniel takes several Zoroastrian doctrines and places them in a Jewish context. He looks to the coming of the Anointed One, one “like a Son of Man” who will come as a cosmic ruler and overcome evil (7:14-15, 9:26). Christians see this as Jesus Christ. In Zoroastrian’s scheme, this is the final Saoshyant (world redeemer). Daniel employs the dualism of the forces of good against evil, and even gives names to two of the “good” angels of Yahweh, Michael and Gabriel (9:21, 12:1). Is this not an obvious borrowing from the naming of the forces of Ahura Mazda and Ahriman? Whereas Jews before the exile viewed death as the end, and if there was an afterlife, it was a murky existence of shadows, Daniel says there will be a restoration and a physical resurrection at the end. Those who are righteous will experience eternal life, those who have lived lives of evil will experience everlasting shame and contempt (12:1-2). From books like these, it becomes clear that Zoroastrian’s shadow falls heavily on later Jewish writers.

          From the evidence surveyed, it becomes clear that a connection exists between Zoroastrianism and Judaism.

          All that remains in this analysis is to show early biblical Christianity and its reliance on post-exilic and Inter-testamental ideas, which in turn evolved as Zoroastrian ideas penetrated Judaism during the exile. For our purposes, it will be sufficient to look at a few selected passages from the Gospels, the writings of Paul, and the book of Revelation. To give one Gospel example, the account of Matthew demonstrates (however unknowingly) the reach of Zoroastrianism into the life and teaching of Jesus of Nazareth. In Matthew 1:21, an angel (named Gabriel in Luke’s account) tells the Nazarene carpenter, Joseph, that Mary, his virgin bride-to-be, is with child, and would give birth to one who would “save his people from their sins.” 35

          Early on, the virgin born, world redeemer (Saoshyant) theme is echoed. Obviously, Christianity differs from Zoroastrianism in that Christians believe that Jesus died as a substitute for their sins. Zoroastrianism does contain such a teaching, but the point is that Christians, and earlier Jews, borrowed concepts from Zoroastrianism and shaped them to fit their needs.

          Read more:
          http://historicaltextarchive.com/sections.php?action=read&artid=754

        • Truthseeker007

          AM123 wrote:To the contrary, I don’t want to see you burn in the fire, hence the exhortation to seek out the spring of living water. I am warning you that you are in the path of a coming inferno and am telling you to get out of the way and seek safety and shelter.

          Well I can assure you that there is no burning in a fire. The heaven and hell concept is nothing but religious dogma to keep its followers in a state of fear so they will keep following that certain religion. The Divine or Love does not throw souls in fires as you think your evil god does. For the god you believe in is an imposter and is part of the Darkness and not the Light. Un like you I don’t live in fear connected to some so called holy book or some entity named Jahovah that calls himself god. I don’t live in fear of some bible jesus saying you must believe in him. I don’t live my life through some so called holy book that was written by men to enslave men physically,emotionally,spirtually and mentally. I believe in myself for the truth is inside myself and all of us. The kingdom is within ourselves.

          What we need is a radical total transformation of human consciousness from the prejudicial ape biped to universal loving man, one in tune with Nature and the Cosmos.

          What is stopping this naturally transformation from primitive superstition to a fully self aware being? The Bible, the holy book of the culture is stopping the evolution of the specie. The old myths have humanity in a stranglehold, most humans are in mental lockdown, unable to grasp their predicament, they are acting out the negativity of the myths handed down.

          When you realize that you are a DNA miracle of life expressing itself at the present moment in the cosmos, you will view everything as divine. That person next to you is not the enemy, they are a miracle, they are divine. How did a universe of inanimate matter manage to create life that became complex and even self aware? What happens when we die? If you don’t know then say you don’t know, don’t lie and say you know because you read something in a book.

          Why are humans so easily duped? Why is humanity so preoccupied with myth? Why is religion so popular still, even though we are well into the scientific and information ages? Almost certainly the myth is wrong because of how it was formed, once you grasp that myths are chains of memes linked together by haphazard process. A potential reason is that we are waking up inside of a hologram, our minds are unable to grasp reality of existence. Why is this happening to us? Because the brain is evolving into a bigger processor and reached a threshold and became aware of itself. We are self aware beings who asked what happens when we die? We became afraid of our own death.

          You believe in myths right now, but you don’t view them as myths, you view your mythological beliefs as reality. Do you think you are that far advanced to be free of myth? Do you believe in god-afterlife-Jesus-hell-devil? What we consider to be ancient myths was their reality, your myths are your reality. Do you believe in Zeus? Of course not, but they did. Likewise Jesus is the modern ‘Hey Zeus’ mythos of god blueprint overlaid on your mind. If you’re happy with Jesus in your mind then your brain is happy cause it’s busy doing other stuff. Just because you believe doesn’t make the belief real.

          And I will repeat for you since it didn’t sink in the first time through your mind contrelled mind:

          Most people don’t realize that the Bible is a doomsday book and Christians are a death worshiping cult. The Bible teaches that history ends and everything gets destroyed by the savior god that comes back in vengeance. Sounds appealing to those under the spell. We worship death and think we are going to heaven. Those in the cult are blinded by the memes, they can’t see like a fish that is unable to detect water. Want out of hell? Stop worshiping hell and calling it heaven, stop thinking that punishment is a good thing and that we need more prisons. Stop worshiping a judging god because by doing that you are programming your mind to be judgmental. With a judgmental mind you will vote and create a police state, a prison planet.

          Most Americans are psychotic because they agree to the Bible premise of eternal punishment, where the unsaved go to a hell and are tortured eternally. This is a monster philosophy, believing in these ideas makes you a monster, you will think nothing of those being tortured throughout the worldwide American gulag. The ultimate ego trip is believing that you are saved while all the rest go to hell, with that supremacist philosophy you can be made to do anything, like dropping bombs on everyone unsaved. And the one thing that Jewish-Christian Supremacist America loves to do is drop bombs on everyone else. Vietnam was your cultures psychosis unveiled.

          When you quit with the Bible hell you’ve been taught then you will stop projecting that meme on the world.
          Yukon Jack

        • Mayhem

          @Truthseeker007, it’s really not going well for you is it? This truth seeking i mean. Hey now; can i just point out a very obvious flaw in your thinking processes? I’m going to anyway.

          You say… “Well I can assure you that there is no burning in a fire”

          Um, who the heck are you again? Lets face reality here shall we? You’re up against all of the, comprehensive and compelling, evidence regarding the veracity of Scripture you know? You and your opinion up against the Textus Receptus and Tanakh or Bible if you prefer.

          You’ll have to come up with some strong argument to sway the likes of Beef Supreme, Desert Owl, am123 et al. What you got?

        • Truthseeker007

          Mayhem no amount of evidence will sway the mind of somebody under the mind control of the Bible and religion. You have to have common sense or look within to understand that:

          Quote:
          Religion is designed to focus the people’s attention and energy on a single, unchanging, uncompromising and invisible supreme being who allegedly created an inferior human race just for some extra companionship and love for himself and then supposedly foisted a set of oppressive and in some cases arbitrary rules on them, which if broken would be met with unimaginable punishment.

          This keeps the followers in a continuing state of fear and compliance. They are afraid to question the intentions of this invisible being and they are afraid of even expressing their own individuality in many cases. Christians and others are taught that they have virtually no power to do anything except pray, worship and do good deeds.

          They are taught to practice self denial and are told that their own will is totally irrelevant. Religious followers believe that they are yielding their will over to a benevolent cosmic individual who has single-handedly created the whole universe and has their best interests at heart when in fact they are handing over their will and freedoms to hidden groups of religious elites for the elites own personal gains.

          The main method by which Christians in particular are trapped and deceived is with the messiah or saviour story. This is linked to the ‘original sin’ story which is designed to impose a large amount of guilt onto the whole of humanity. The believers are then so grateful that they have been saved by the son of God nearly 2000 years before they were born that in some cases they abandon all reason, logic and good judgment to obey and worship this god and his son.

          Anyone who believes this story is indeed lost because to believe that a god would send his only son to help us, only to see his son get tortured and murdered, and then instead of unleashing all his wrath, simply absolve us from all crimes past and present, is pure madness to say the least. Where is the lesson for us in that? What has been achieved? There is no lesson or purpose because it’s all about mass psychological enslavement and disempowerment.
          The so called god that we are expected to worship is undoubtedly just a dictator strawman concocted by the religious elites for the purpose of controlling the masses.

          Many have lowered themselves to the pointless practice of hero worship.

          Furthermore, Christianity, Islam and a few other religions are polarized religions. They are polarized against each other. One is believed to be good and the other is seen as bad. The funny thing is, is that each one thinks that their’s is good and the other’s is bad. In most ways they’re both bad. The only good kind of religion is a neutral and all loving one. Polarized religions have been devised by influential elite leaders to play the people off against each other. That way the elite can defeat and enslave the population practically without lifting a finger.

          Christians believe they are good, however :
          - They serve only their God who is king and anyone who opposes their doctrine about him is automatically damned. No questions asked.

          - The heaven carrot is dangled in front of them by their religion so they do what ever it takes to get there. That is not “service to all” because many are only good so they can get their big rewards and avoid hell.

          - They want others to go to heaven too but their religion has robbed them of their free will by instilling fear and telling them that their will is irrelevant. They then go out and violate other people’s free will as well by preaching their dogma and vilifying (and even killing) them if they don’t comply. They believe that anyone who does not obey their god’s rules is not worthy and are therefore classed below them. That is prejudice and bigotry. They pass judgment in the name of their god on those who do not accept their fear based tenets. They don’t understand that you cannot judge someone if you don’t know all their circumstances and reasons and no one can possibly know everything about what led to aparticular person’s actions or what their true thoughts or intentions were.

          - They preach disempowerment and ignorance which leads people into deception where they often become accessories to evil. Evil in many cases uses ignorant and dumbed-down individuals to do its work.

          Christians etc. cannot avoid so called sin because their religion is based on sin. Sin is attached to them like a ball and chain and they cannot escape it or change direction until they’re dead. They cannot stop breaking their god’s laws, because due to the fact that they are oppressed, they are subconsciously in constant rebellion against those oppressive laws. Also they are all tared with the same “sinner” brush from birth so that is the role they will inevitably play out.

          - Their religion is based on three things – fear, distortion of information, and obedience. Fear is the basis of all negative emotions which they are told to avoid. Their god on the other hand has no qualms what so ever about expressing these negative emotions through his frequent acts of wrath and mass murder. He therefore makes a very bad example by his actions.

          Information leads to knowledge and knowledge is light but there is very little light where information is suppressed or distorted.

          Obedience without knowledge is slavery. The slavery of religion is far worse because all you get for your pain and hard efforts in life is weekly ambiguous promises that one day you might get to heaven if you’re good. The problem with this is that no one is really sure what God considers to be good, so the followers spend their entire lives in a state of uncertainty.

          Christians etc. believe that they get as much knowledge as they need from their bible/koran etc. but they don’t know that that’s only a fraction of the knowledge that exists, and worse, their books are full of half truths, distortions and omissions.

          We are not here to get to know God, we are here to experience all that can be experienced and to develop our own potentials and to sort out our differences so that we can learn to co-exist peacefully. In this world, our world, anything goes. We get to do what we want. We are here to make a statement about who we are. Here we get to write our own script for living. This is our stage and our show. A true creator would not interfere with its creation’s natural development. Only a satanic god would.

          Another major reason why Christians cannot evolve or ascend is because they have allowed themselves to be trapped in the low vibration of fear, prejudice, judgment and ignorance because of what they’ve been taught. As mentioned before, fear is the basis of all negative emotions and has the lowest vibrational frequency. Because the higher realms consist of high frequency vibrational energy, one has to have equal vibration in order to merge into there.

          Until one releases themselves from fear based emotions, they will remain trapped in the cycle of this mortal dimensional matrix indefinitely. What Christians don’t know is that even though they will probably get to go to their heaven as promised, the Christian heaven resides in the astral plane in the fourth or fifth dimension and is therefore still part of our earthly matrix, so they won’t actually be too far away.

          When they die and go to their astral plane heaven, they will only stay there for a short time and then they will cycle back down into this world again through reincarnation (which by the way is one of the many concepts that have been removed from the bible by the church fathers). True heaven is not a place that you go to but a state of mind and is something that one makes for ones self. The horrible truth is that religion is all about keeping its followers spiritually marooned in this dark matrix forever.

          Religion constantly warns its followers to avoid hell but at the same time is ambiguous about exactly what one has to do to get to hell or heaven. This can only lead to fear, confusion and division among the population. Also each religion says totally different things which then causes even more confusion and conflict. The same goes for many other concepts which religion professes to know about.

          Christians are constantly tempted with heaven and threatened with hell and then they’re told that they have a choice – a “free choice” in fact (and also “free will” by the way (???)). This choice can be compared to the choice that a robber gives his victim – “your money or your life”. Christians are so brainwashed that they cannot see that this is not a choice but an ultimatum, which makes the claim of “free choice” an outright lie for a start. A choice is between two or more viable and amicable options. Death or eternal suffering is not a viable or amicable option.

          There is no future for someone who goes to hell and so it can never be a valid choice, it is merely a cowardly threat (given that we are small defenseless creatures). The god of the bible is an expert at making demands, threats and empty promises while hiding in another realm. Eternal worship and simple servitude are also not proper choices because worship and servitude are not proper ways to exist for an intelligent, creative and resourceful soul.
          End Quote:Andrew Werner

        • BEEF SUPREME

          007 actually has the audacity to write:

          “Mayhem no amount of evidence will sway the mind of somebody under the mind control of the Bible and religion.”

          This is why I call you a liar, 007. Because you lie. You have been repeatedly asked for evidence, something which actually matters that is, and not the pointless and pathetic interpretations and speculations of modern enemies of the Gospels. Then, you were offered 10,000 dollars US to produce a scintilla of the imaginary evidence you love to sing songs about, but never produce.

          And now, you pretend as if you have actually provided something of substance, and that what you have provided has been rejected by you opponents in debate. Very typical of your kind, 007. Yours is a disgusting tactic and the epitome of dishonesty. And it is liars like you, enemies of the Scriptures, who have DEMANDED that there must be multiple authors of the Book of Isaiah for the simple reason that they DENY the CONTENTS of the Book they are trying to discredit. The ONLY REASON enemies of Scriptures require multiple authors of that book, is because if it has actually written by Isaiah, and by Isaiah alone, (as indeed it has been), then the prophecies in the book must be true, and prophecy ITSELF must be an actual supernatural facet of the Scriptures, considering the FACT that even you liars are forced to concede to – that SOME of the book was written prior to the prophesied events coming to fruition. Therefore, this nonsense has been invented about multiple authors of Isaiah. The TRUTH is very inconvenient to liars like you, and therefore must be managed somehow. Enter the imaginary authors. I guess we can put them right next to your imaginary evidence.

          Once again, 007 – I really am glad you came here to tangle with a few initiates who have some idea about what they are reading in Scripture. This way, it doesn’t take very long to point out the obvious flaws in your attack, to expose your flank, and to lay the sword to your body of lies.

          Carry on, deceiver.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          All of the quotations and lectures 007 has posted on these pages can be BOILED DOWN to this single quote by him:

          “What we need is a radical total transformation of human consciousness from the prejudicial ape biped to universal loving man, one in tune with Nature and the Cosmos.

          “What is stopping this naturally transformation from primitive superstition to a fully self aware being? The Bible, the holy book of the culture is stopping the evolution of the specie. The old myths have humanity in a stranglehold, most humans are in mental lockdown, unable to grasp their predicament, they are acting out the negativity of the myths handed down.”

          Is there any other message which could be brought by the coming Evil Ones themselves? No. This is it right here. in short: ‘The Bible is an anchor around the neck of humanity.’

          But we can, and do, know who you are by your works, 007. Because you have NOTHING with which to convince people of this lie except talk. (“…and a mouth speaking great things…”) If any of you could have produced evidence of FRAUDULENCE as it pertains to Scripture, then you would have done so, and this debate would have ended long ago.

          But you have not. And you make it very clear that the SCRIPTURES are a very serious problem for you, and that you would like nothing more than to see that Body of Writing ELIMINATED and FORGOTTEN. To you, the Scriptures are curse. To you, the Scriptures are like sunlight to a vampire. Let us try to imagine how much a vampire would like to vanquish his old foe, the Sun, and we will have a slight idea how much 007 and his ilk hate and wish to vanquish the Scriptures.

          The enemies of the Gospels have had 2000 years to do what you are trying to do, 007. Your kind has failed. You continue to fail. And though your kingdom will now sweep the land more thoroughly and totally than Alexander the Great and Hitler rolled into one, and to all eyes, it will look like this world has been forever lost…

          …in the end, you and your message and your deceiving brethren are going to be flattened in defeat.

          What’s more – I think you know it.

          Your kind is, above all others, greatly to be pitied.

        • am123

          OFFICIAL’S SCORECARD:

          The winner, by a first round TKO….BEEF SUPREME!

          Truthseeker007 was bloodied and bruised :oops: and unable to continue because he was beaten to a pulp :mad: with facts by BEEF SUPREME who cut to the chase and was not distracted one bit by the chaff TS007 threw out there to confuse the ignorant readers.

        • Truthseeker007

          BEEF SUPREME said:
          Is there any other message which could be brought by the coming Evil Ones themselves? No. This is it right here. in short: ‘The Bible is an anchor around the neck of humanity.’
          But we can, and do, know who you are by your works, 007. Because you have NOTHING with which to convince people of this lie except talk. (“…and a mouth speaking great things…”) If any of you could have produced evidence of FRAUDULENCE as it pertains to Scripture, then you would have done so, and this debate would have ended long ago.
          But you have not. And you make it very clear that the SCRIPTURES are a very serious problem for you, and that you would like nothing more than to see that Body of Writing ELIMINATED and FORGOTTEN. To you, the Scriptures are curse. To you, the Scriptures are like sunlight to a vampire. Let us try to imagine how much a vampire would like to vanquish his old foe, the Sun, and we will have a slight idea how much 007 and his ilk hate and wish to vanquish the Scriptures.
          The enemies of the Gospels have had 2000 years to do what you are trying to do, 007. Your kind has failed. You continue to fail. And though your kingdom will now sweep the land more thoroughly and totally than Alexander the Great and Hitler rolled into one, and to all eyes, it will look like this world has been forever lost…
          …in the end, you and your message and your deceiving brethren are going to be flattened in defeat.
          What’s more – I think you know it.
          Your kind is, above all others, greatly to be pitied
          END QUOTE

          If anybody is part of the Dark forces it is yourself. You talk like a war monger trying to keep the vicious lie going. You spread your deciet as if it it is the truth when it is not. I am about finding the truth through research,meditation past the dogma and the truth is that you are of a low consciousness a low vibration spreading fear and hate which is why the world is the way it is. The dark forces feed on this negative energy that you promote. You feed your negative energy into the matrix to keep it going. You are a pawn to the Illuminati the Powers That Be.

          One example:
          “In the first few decades since 1492, it was thought that Indians did not have souls because they were “animals” in human form. Therefore, it was believed they could be hunted down like animals, which they were. It was only in 1530 CE that the Pope declared that the Indians were human. Having established their humanity, it was decided that they must be inducted into Christianity. As the Indians were unwilling, this was accomplished by force. Though the change in their status from animal to human might appear to be an improvement, in reality, little changed in their plight.”

          Does anyone have any authority over anyone else? Think about that and the answer is absolutely not. Look at the person next to you. Do you own that person, are you allowed to boss that person around, give them orders, take their money by force? If you are a normal gentle soul you will know the answer is absolutely not. No person owns or controls another and that is self evident, so ask yourself how is that some people can order others to their deaths in war, how they can force others to pay taxes, how they can send letter in the mail and take their property with court orders. Those that do this evil are under the spell of authority, because if you remove authority from the equation then they won’t behave this way.

          Do you agree that slavery is evil and wrong? Why is slavery wrong? Because no person owns another. But with the Bible it can be used to justify slavery because it is a supremacist literature. What about debt slavery? Do you think it is ok for banks to create money out of nothing and then lend it at interest and if you can’t pay, even if it is your last payment, take possession of the asset? Most people would say that is wrong unless you are a supremacist and thief like a Wall Street gangster.

          So how does evil manage to get away with the evil of human slavery or debt slavery? Bible indoctrination. With the Bible you are made to believe that authority exists and that you must submit to governing authority even if that political authority is slaved to greedy hate filled Rothschild bankers. Why must you obey even if the system is corrupt? Because the Bible says god hand picked the government:

          Romans 13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

          It is hard to believe that so many people have been so duped by the “Holy” Bible. The beliefs of this group are incredible, I can understand the belief of the Jews (meaning those that practice Judaism) who believe they are chosen by God because that appeals to human ego. A supremacist being a supreme egoist surely believes he is better than everyone else and thus easily latches onto the idea of being the chosen one. If you are taught that from birth and in your group everyone agrees then it sticks easily.

          Who doesn’t want to be special or chosen? Christians or people that believe the Bible to be true also want to be chosen and have an exclusivity meme, they are chosen to go to heaven because of their belief in Jesus. Me only sells. I am going to heaven and you are going to hell is a very popular meme with those in ego consciousness. It is like associating with the winning sports team but better, my team is better because we go to heaven and you lose, forever. This is also an effective meme for the state, it can be used in warfare to motivate a population to kill the other group, who are not chosen.

          And you Mr Beef Supreme are a tool a very usefull tool to the Powers that Be who are of the Dark
          forces and they’re Created Bible to control you and the other sheeple, In fact the Bible and Quran are ILLUMINATI BLUEPRINTS.

          So you are confused Beef! I advise you to do some better research and making yourself look foolish.

        • Truthseeker007

          am123 said
          OFFICIAL’S SCORECARD:
          The winner, by a first round TKO….BEEF SUPREME!
          Truthseeker007 was bloodied and bruised and unable to continue because he was beaten to a pulp with facts by BEEF SUPREME who cut to the chase and was not distracted one bit by the chaff TS007 threw out there to confuse the ignorant readers.
          End Quote

          AM123 do you have a cheerleading skirt to go with that cheerleading outfit? It is you yourself who is ignorant to the facts. You and Beef put up strawman arguments.

          “A straw man is a type of argument based on misrepresentation of an opponent’s position. To “attack a straw man” is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the “straw man”), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

          A good straw man argument not only misrepresents the opponents position, it contains a strong emotional appeal to the defense of the myth.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          Good 007.

          Now actually point to a single example of a straw man argument in my commentary. How about in am123′s commentary?

          Good luck.

          The only straws on this page are the ones you’re furiously grasping at right now.

          You brought the charge, back it up with some specifics.

        • am123

          “You brought the charge, back it up with some specifics.”

          Ping :!:

          The sound of a pin dropping :!: :lol:

          Chirp….chirp….chirp….(the sound of crickets) :!: :lol: :lol:

    • Remnant Of Israel

      There is no Judeo-Christianity. When the Jerusalem church allowed “judaizers” to enter in, Paul cursed that church.. saying it was a different gospel and another Jesus. a few years later, that church was destroyed.

      There is only one remnant of God’s Israel, for as demonstrated on this page, the modern day Christians have become as lost as the carnal Israel was in the time of Christ. There is no Judeo-Christianity..there is only Christanity. Come out of her who cause the elect to worship the beast which is carnal Israel. God chose you..you are the chosen of God. Don;t despise your birthright and listen to well-paid hirelings

    • Don't be hating!

      Burp..144,000 of beers on the wall

    • Pix

      Not who but what. 144’000 days = 394.26 solar years = 1 astrological age.

    • ???

      I think that the best commentary on the Bible is the Bible-
      The 144,000 are of the 12 tribes of Israel- Lost tribes? No, G_d knows exactly where he left them…
      Going anywhere beyond that is total conjecture-

      • Ghost

        13 tribes.. not 12

    • elaya11

      When you mention the rapture you automatically discredit yourself and I quit reading any article at that point. The rapture is a false teaching and people would know that if they would just use a strings concordance to show what 1thessalonians 4:17 is really saying

    • Stēkō

      There are several items in this study worth noting from the beginning.
      Firstly: the names of the twelve tribes listed here in Revelation , differ from the list of the twelve tribes of PHYSICAL Israel. The tribe DAN, which means : judge is now gone, it’s been replaced with Manasseh which means: forgiveness.
      Secondly, and also concerning the tribes, Physical Israel gave up her place as Gods chosen people in 34AD, precisely as the God foretold in Daniel 9:24-27. This list is then a list of TRAITS of all those who are seal for God from SPIRITUAL ISRAEL, the singular Church of Jesus Christ ( not Catholicism, see further down ). One must discover, the meaning of each name, then collectively assign these personality character traits to the People of God who have through FAITH in Jesus been made ” without spot or blemish “. Israel, physical as left ” your house is left unto you desolate ” and Jesus told the Pharrisees directly in the parable of the wicked vineyardsmen that He would take it from them and give it to others. Take what? Take the respibsibility and commission to spread the gospel of Jesus ” you search the scripture looking for righteousness, it is that which speaks of Me. ” , the missionaries to the world of Gods covenant of blessings and curses, this covenant with man fulfilled in messiah even Jesus Christ. the ENTIRITY of the bible, the sanctuary system, all of it is to show man messiah, it is one thought throughout: Gods love redeems fallen man.

      Thirdly, the idea of a pre tribulation rapture is a fallacy and is poor interpretation of Gods word. If your hope is based upon being taken away prior to the tribulation, or you think you might get a chance to change during the tribulation, you have set yourselfs up to fail. Once Jesus returns the dea in Christ rise first, THEN …from the koine Greek this ” THEN ” is an ” without delay, immediately ” those of us who are alive shall rise up with the CLOUDS, CLOUDS in scripture often indicate the assembly of angelic beings, to meet with Jesus in the air, forever. The next thing is also without delay , and the rest of earths population are destroyed at the brightness of His coming. From the Greek this destruction is a ” burning up, to be consumed away “, dead, NO MORE LIFE ON THE EARTH for a thousand years.. The idea of a ” secret, or pre tribulation is ONE of the Strong deceptions listed in Scripture, it seems to be working quite fine if your not on the winning team that is.

      The Catholic Church SYSTEM, is the ” Son of Perdition “, the ” LITTLE HORN ” and the ” Beast out if the Sea “, she is Babylon, and she is anti-Christ. That’s NOT TO SAY THE PEOPLE IN HER PEWS ARE WICKED, or that none who love God are in her. But they, and those in NEARLY ALL PROTESTANT CHURCHs will ALL COME OUT IF HER MY PEOPLE.
      There is one church that has the comple assembly of the LIGHT of Gods Word in Spirit and in Truth, one church that is Sola Scriptura, One Church that has Gods candkestick untill he return, One church that is now finally returning to her first LOVE, that Church is the SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH; if you love God with all your heart, with all your mind and all your strength, I WILL SEE YOU AS YOU COME ON IN, WELCOME BROTHERS, WELCOME SISTERS, Eternity awaits. For God has written that thus it shall be, and I believe Him at His word, and upon His word I stand in the Faithfulness of Jesus ( Pistis Christu ) by faith, through faith, in faith I AM REDEEMED .

      God bless
      Stēkō Parrēsia

    • YellowRoseTx51

      That’s an easy question.
      The “144,000″ are the easy “Faithful Lay” …another term for “Whores”.
      By the Law of Light, an Oversoul can have as many as “144, 000″ Incarnates operating at the same time within the Construct.
      By the Law of Energy, the balance of Energy of the Oversoul must remain in Heaven, or it gets Pulled into the Construct. This is the term “Fallen”
      Esoteric Law 101: that “Lilith” “Inanna” Elizabeth 1 removed from the books. For which she was Exiled.

      By God’s own definition: the “144,000″ who have ‘not defiled themselves with women’ and are the ‘fruits’… are the Homosexual Pedophiles of the Vatican and its other associate coven priesthoods, Israel, Muslim, Buddhist, etc. Who only sleep with choir boys, not women.

      I’ve heard, we’d all laugh when they ‘ta ta’ us bye, in their skirts. :lol:

    • Monnkz

      Wow! much confusion, no answers.

      • W. Willow

        Yup. Lots of confusion when the answer is right in the text, Rev.7:3. The identity is that they are God’s >bondservants<. God knows who they are. They know who God is. The seal represents God's protection and His provision. Read the whole of chapter 7 for the best sense.

    • manufactured2012

      WOW.. no comment on the illuminate. That should tell u how much shlock this article is.

      Placed by the engineers of the global war on terrorism.

      Good answer Hal?

    • Son of Man I AM

      The Christ came only for the lost sheep of the House of Israel. The Christ was a Nazerite not a “Jew” Judaism began around the Year 513 B.C. with the column of that religion being the Talmuld. Pontious Pilate wrote in his manuscripts to ceasar tha the Christ’s hair shine like gold when giving his sermon on the Mount of Olives. The Christ’s hair color when he returnswill be white as wool or as snow not the texture of wool. In the scripture it say the are three catagories which are Israel, man , and animal. Also t said the animals would raise their hands up to god outside the temple, for they were not permitted in the temple. Yes to truth is close but no cigar due to Swede and Norde re of the same stock. A blood type is found along originally long the western coast of Europe , and two Native American tribes who are the Cherokee an Lakota. O type blood is found in the interior parts of Europe, and B type blood is found everywhere else in the world. There is a remenant and the remenant o the house of Israel, in which means there will be remenants of all the families of the Earth. But just because some maybe of the seed of Abraham it does not mean they are the children of Abraham. The tribes of Jacobs when not with christ can be a two fold son of hell “white devil”. Those who do my Father’s will are my brothers, ssters, and mothers. Furthermore in said above if you have doubt seekth and you shall find the truth by reseach. Remember What the Chrit said: I shall not return until all of Israel says “Blessed is he who cometh in the name of the Lord”. Amen

    • Remnant Of Israel

      Carnal Israel became lost during their captivity. and Jesus, when HE was alive was Israel in its entirety. Being born again through HIM allows you to enter the nation He’s remade. Remember when HE spoke to the fleshly Jew who was identified as a “teacher of the law” “Know ye not that ye must be born again” You see, God is a Spirit..he’s not interested in skin color or lineages..it is the circumcision is of your heart that you gain in your salvation and the tree the newly saved are grafted to is the born again Saints of God..not to carnal Israel.

      The LORD said “I have lost none”..Now HE came only for Israel and HE said “It is finished”", then the name of Israel takes on a new significance. As numerous as the stars speaks to the new thing that God was doing and HE said “I’ll call MY people by another name. The new name is Christians.

      Remeber the scriptures saying “these things are allegories“. Recall how the apostle taught that “a Jew is one inwardly”.

      As to carnal Jews it was said “Lo, seeing that ye deem yourself unworthy of eternal life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.” Substitution theory the hirelings scream. As prophesied by the prophet Jeremiah God remakes the same vessel..he doesn’t throw it away and use another vessel.

      Scofield was a criminal liar..his many disciples have taught his errors and misled the modern church. Hell has opened it’s mouth” Don’t be a part of those who preach you’ll float off and then Jews of the flesh will repent. That’s the “different gospel” and that “other Jesus” that Paul speaks about. Don’t give away your birthright as the Israel of God to a warmongering tribe of Christ-haters.

      As to the 144,000 it is symbolic
      12x 12 [old testament, new testament or 12 tribes, 12 apostles] (Christian foundation)

      10X10X10=1000 [God's number is 3 and HIS number for trial or testing is 10 [as scriptures like "test your people for ten days" attest]

      The 144,000 are the finished church..John “hears” the list of tribes. He knew each tribe has a meaning associated with its name. Reuben is “behold the son” ..the salvation experience. Simeon is “hearing..Remember the scripture “”MY sheep hear my voice” Each tribe’s meaning is an experience with Christ..a stripping of self..

      The church is also represented by the symbolic city of New Jerusalem [ask yourself why would a literal city have only one street and why would a city in heaven need walls] The gates into the city are listed as the 12 tribes..the stripping of self which brings you to a deeper walk. Remember when CHRIST taught “you are a city, set upon a wall’..and the prophet Isaiah spoke forth as he was inspired by GOD ”enter into the gates”)

      If you need a source you might try “Alias Israel” from Christian Media. Just don’t give your birthright away to the warlike caballa-Babylonians who have a death grip on our nation. You, not them, were chosen by GOD. You, through CHRIST, are the inheritor to the promises given to Abraham. Well-paid hirelings have led you astray. Come out from under the spell..the psy-op if you prefer. If you have been spiritually reborn, then you are the true Israel of GOD.

      I beg you to consider the things I have said and turn to JESUS..the real one-before it is too late.

      • Ghost

        You lost me with the first paragraph containing a lie…

        In the days of Jesus there was NO Israel and NO Judah..

        There was Judea, a province or state within the Roman Empire.

        Judea contained geographic areas that were never part of the the original Israel…

        The word Jew comes from Judea.. not Judah.. Judea had about 10 different cultures, peoples, religions.. they were not all of Hebrew origin.

      • W. Willow

        @Rem. of Iz : Yours is the more sensible approach in looking at this passage. “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His *bondservants* ….”

        The whole book is highly symbolic for the very reason that folks love to wrench God’s Word to confuse His issues and raise idols out of their own minds. To take the symbolic number of 144,000 out of context misses the point entirely. The identity is right there in the text.

        “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the *bondservants* of our God on their foreheads….” God knows who they are. They know who their God is.

        This part of the vision is a beautiful symbolic tribute to the servants of God who come out of the Great Tribulation. These words are for their comfort…. “And God will wipe every tear from their eyes.”

    • Celt

      Yes it is full of BS… First Off The Name ISRAEL… Is not a land or state… It’s a people… It’s meaning Those That See God… Period… And for those that see God it has a Divine Meaning…

      …I Said Reveal Abbas Eternal Light… The word Light… Love Is Gods Highest Truth…

    • Amminadab

      Upon the crystal sea before the throne, that sea of glass as it were mingled with fire,–so resplendent is it with the glory of God,–are gathered the company that have “gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name.” With the Lamb upon Mount Zion, “having the harps of God,” they stand, the hundred and forty and four thousand that were redeemed from among men; and there is heard, as the sound of many waters, and as the sound of a great thunder, “the voice of harpers harping with their harps.” And they sing “a new song” before the throne, a song which no man can learn save the hundred and forty and four thousand. It is the song of Moses and the Lamb–a song of deliverance. None but the hundred and forty-four thousand can learn that song; for it is the song of their experience–an experience such as no other company have ever had. “These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth.” These, having been translated from the earth, from among the living, are counted as “the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb.” Revelation 15:2, 3; 14:1-5. “These are they which came out of great tribulation;” they have passed through the time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation; they have endured the anguish of the time of Jacob’s trouble; they have stood without an intercessor through the final outpouring of God’s judgments. But they have been delivered, for they have “washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.” “In their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault” before God. “Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple: and He that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.” They have seen the earth wasted with famine and pestilence, the sun having power to scorch men with great heat, and they themselves have endured suffering, hunger, and thirst. But “they shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.” Revelation 7:14-17. (The Great Controversy, pp. 648, 649)

    • Remnant Of Israel

      Ghost, I am familiar with the Lost tribes/Kenite/ theologys..as well as Sacred Name and any other you can name. The assertion that Paul, Peter, Mary, Andrew..etc etc etc were not Jewish is rendered void by literally hundreds of New Testament scriptures. If you take what you know..forget physical and fleshly things..and come to the truth you will still see that you,, if you are born again, are Israel. Once anyone is born again, they are, to GOD, neither Jew or Gentile.

      Strictly thinking on the literal physical level is the stuff of legalism.The Bible is a supernatural book written by a supernatural GOD. It becomes a banquet when the believer is gifted with the mind of Christ. You seek how food is a representation of revelation..interpretation by the Holy Spirit. Recall such examples as “I am the manna from heaven” ‘I am the bread of life” and “Drink not of the waters of Babylon”.

      Literally 90 % of the carnal Jews have been proven by scientific study, to be Khazarian and have no lineage from the middle east. Still men like Gilad Atzmon and Nathaniel Kapner have been saved and daily expose the crimes of those who say they are Jews.

      Ghost..trust not in flesh..worthy is the Lamb to open the book and HE has sent the HOLY SPIRIT to teach you in all things…

      The fig [believer] that fails to ripen [does not mature] shall surely fall away from the branch [fall away from from JESUS and SPIRIT-given teaching] in the winter winds of tribulation [the end times.] A green fig, unripened, hard, and heavy, snaps off a branch in the wind. That’s literal. How much more glorious is the truth that lies behind the metaphor. Seek the deeper truths for it is the food that transforms you into the greater glory that you will have at HIS coming.

    • MG

      It’s symbolism. You can’t take the bible literally. It’s all symbols.

      Revelations. The horses and all that? It’s the cross of the zodiac.

      Who ever wrote it, was looking at the cross and was explaining what happens at certain times on the zodiac.

      The ark isn’t a boat, it’s just a house on top of a hill. Everyone knows before the water comes, all the animals go to the top of the hill. So yeah they all just came to him. The whole boat thing is more puzzles for you to play with.

    • randall34

      so many brainwashed numbnuts ,that is why america is dying out

    • vincent

      LETS NOT FOCUS ON THE ALONE.LETS FOCUS ON THE COMING OF THE MESSIAH WITH ABSOLUTE HOLINESS IN OUR.www.repentandpreparetheway.org

    • TerryK81

      Read Revelation 7 in its full entirety. Revelation is written in symbology; the beasts and all mentioned therein are most indeed reference to a REAL person/place/thing. The 144,000 are the last living remnants of God’s true people just right before He returns to this earth. The bible is true. The old testament is written in Hebrew, and the new in Greek. If many people of today would read it as thus, many retarded beliefs would be set aside.
      For example: THE LAW IS NOT DEAD! Murder, theft, adultery: all of these, for example, are taken from the ten commandments, yet many claim they are void. These are against our laws of the land, are they not?? So then, if the law be void, then go kill and steal and convince me that its not wrong. The sure “curse” of the law is not obedience to it: it is sure death. Jesus died to save us all from certain death for disobeying it. Adam and Eve were expelled from Eden BECAUSE they disobeyed the Law. Revelation 22:14 clearly tells us all that the 10 commandments are not void because they are even kept in heaven. Love is the fulfillment of the law. If you love God and your fellow man, then you won’t lie to them, or kill them, or steal from them. And you’ll keep holy the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH: SATURDAY. Nowhere in all of scripture is there anywhere that shows that God ever changed His Sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday. As a matter of truth: Read the creation account. The Sabbath day is the only day that God named. The rest of the days He simply numbered. It was Roman Emperor Constantine in 321 AD that “changed” the days. But he is no god. He is a mere, deceased mortal. We ought to obey God rather than men (Acts 5:29).

      • Truthseeker007

        I got one word for you TerryK81. You are under MINDCONTROL!! YOU ARE UNDER MINDCONTROL!!

        • BEEF SUPREME

          Ten words, actually. But who’s counting.

          And I wonder, 007…

          How far would you go to ‘save’ the people of the planet from those of us who are, as you say, under mind control.

          Would you slay us for the greater good? Would you have us slain?

          Is this the kind of ‘truth’ you seek?

        • Mayhem

          Of course they would Beef. They’d cut the beating heart from any who would not deny Messiah. Then they’d roll the severed heads down the steps for the entertainments of the peoples.

          That bit i don’t look forward to so much.

    • Mayhem

      Working for my living is not conducive to flowing conversation, I know. But, be assured, i’ll be reading furiously for the next while, not all of it B4IN. Oh i’ve given up on the reply function, tough it out if you would.

      I agree with the first half of your soliloquy, Truthseeker007, damn those “Christians” quite a lot for messing everything up. All the myriad shenanigans that have been going on and continue going on even to this day. IN HIS NAME! It pales to reflect on it much. Bah humbug!

      … but what does that have to do with the Truth that Scripture has never failed in the age old debate as to It’s accuracy and sound historical evidence?

      I am not Christian but i debate well and i say i have never seen your side gain any traction against The Inspired Word. Apparently there’s a couple ounces of Gold offered for the first B4IN contributor to come up with anything resembling the Bible Story that predates Scripture. The bets been on the table at least a year as far as i recall.

      Perhaps you might start on some simpler more obvious truths like Peak Oil or AGW or Vivisection, Vaccination etc. Then move on to something like the Holocaust hoax. After a while you won’t trust anything you hear and very little of what you see. Then read your Bible and check every thing in it for Truth.

      I’ll leave you with a quote and anecdote that i shamelessly stole from the interweb. The first is my fellow countryman the second is yours.

      “I claim to be an historian. My approach to Classics is historical. And I tell you that the evidence for the life, the death, and the resurrection of Christ is better authenticated than most of the facts of ancient history . . .”

      E. M. Blaiklock
      Professor of Classics
      Auckland University.

      Dr. Simon Greenleaf, Harvard Law Professor famously came to the conclusion that there is more historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ than for just about any other event in history, and that any unbiased jury in the world would reach the same conclusion based on the unswerving evidence.

      ps, don’t take my word for it, check em out for yourself.

      • Mayhem

        I particularly call attention to this, it’s your words, Truthseeker007,…

        “What is stopping this naturally transformation from primitive superstition to a fully self aware being? The Bible, the holy book of the culture is stopping the evolution of the specie”

        What do you mean? One third of the planet believe and yet they are holding the majority back? You want to talk about what makes sense? Lets do that then.

        Mayhem.

        • Truthseeker007

          Mayhem Said:
          I particularly call attention to this, it’s your words, Truthseeker007,…

          What do you mean? One third of the planet believe and yet they are holding the majority back? You want to talk about what makes sense? Lets do that then.
          End Quote

          Mayhem:
          The old myths have humanity in a surpressed state, most people are in mental holding cell, unable to grasp their predicament, they are acting out the negativity of the myths handed down. The Bible has turned the western peoples into mass murderers, just look at all the illegal and immoral wars and how the same people who start them are elected and re-elected. Look at this mass of Christianity and how they love Israel no matter what Rothchild run Israel does. Genocide, false flags, illegal weapon use, Fukushima, organ trading, prostitution, assassinations, subversion of foreign states. Anything evil you can imagine, you can bet that Rothschild run Israel is fully engaged in it and profiting by it. If Israel does it the Zionist team cheerleaders keeps right on cheering. What does that say about this so-called holy book Christians read?

          We are being lied to about the real history of planet earth. Like the burning of the library at Alexandria, keeping the public in the dark has come to be a feature of our current world rulers. It could almost be presumed that there is information that would cause a loss of control and power to manipulate reality outcomes if known.

          More then one third of the planet believe in the lies of the Powers That Be such as relgion,mainstream media and big pharma. Do you understand how consciousness works?
          We on a whole create our own reality. Since most of our reality is based on a lie it is holding us back from expanding our consciousness as a human species. That is why when somebody is actually telling the truth most of humanity thinks it is a lie because they believe the original lie to be the truth.

        • Mayhem

          More than one third? On what do you base this premise? I quote from official census documents. Come on Truthseeker I asked what you had and you give me nothing but opinion and ignorance.

          You write well and i, too, expect that if you could prove any of your doctrine, you would. And you’d win a substantial wager to boot. Alas it’s late but rest assured i’ll be reading this and sometimes i feel like commenting.

      • Mayhem

        Excuse me, TS007, but you were addressing Beef Supreme, of course…

        Do I agree that slavery is evil and wrong? Well now Truthseeker007 as it happens i see that you have a very biased opinion on this subject and yet you want to make sense of everything. Will you be trying to tell us that completely oppressed walking skeletons built, for example, the Pyramids?

        Personally so long as my slave masters are mild mannered i don’t mind so much. I have no debt and get to enjoy a very comfortable existence. Just so long as i remain productive that is.

        I know that two thirds of the worlds population live on less than two dollars a day and that half of the population lives on half that much.

        Are you getting any clues yet, Truthseeker007, about what i meant with this truthseeking business not working out too well for you?

        • Truthseeker007

          Mayhem maybe you should do what your link says and actually read a book. You should try reading a book other then the Bible.

        • Mayhem

          Good advice, thank you Truthseeker007, indeed i read comprehensively and i find extensive examination of all viewpoints to be most beneficial. However, to my shame, i must admit that Douglas Adams is about my favourite. So long and thanks for all the fish.

        • Truthseeker007

          Mayhem said:
          More than one third? On what do you base this premise? I quote from official census documents. Come on Truthseeker I asked what you had and you give me nothing but opinion and ignorance.

          You write well and i, too, expect that if you could prove any of your doctrine, you would. And you’d win a substantial wager to boot. Alas it’s late but rest assured i’ll be reading this and sometimes i feel like commenting.
          End Quote

          Well thankyou for the compliment. I’m sorry we started out on the wrong foot. Do you have a good link on the census documents? I don’t know why you perceive me to be ignorant but do tell
          me why. Really we could debate that everything is an opinion. I could say the sky is blue but that is only my opinion. Somebody who is color blind could say that the sky is not blue but grey so therefore the sky being blue is a matter of opinion. So we could conclude that everything is a matter of opinion if we wanted to. Is a dream real or is a dream not real. Is it real us being here right now or are we just dreaming? Is a dream a dream inside of a dream. Could it be that when we die we awake from this dream and move into another dream? If we all create our own reality then everything that anybody ever says is just opinion according to you.

        • Mayhem

          @Truthseeker007 is it possible that all of the folk sparring with you have read all of the information that you either provide or allude to? It’s highly likely as I can’t be the only one. You see; in the last 12 months i have spent just as much time reading “Bible debunked” info as i have my Bible. Doesn’t everybody find truth this way? Maybe it’s just me.

          Righto then here’s the next example of your flawed thinking processes.

          As Truthseeker pointed out, the mass slayings (genocide if you want) that are spoken of in The Inspired Word were done to people who were warned and had it coming for just the same reasons that Truthseeker mentioned.

          Now it’s time to Study Deuteronomy particularly chapter 13 from verse 5. Thank you, Truthseeker007, for your suggestion and offer of fellowship.

          ps, the obvious retort is to explain the difference between a singular description and one that might rightly be applied to a multitude. Take the Word literally.

        • Mayhem

          Do i have a good link? Get your other lackey to do your bothersome chores, you’ve got a search engine dontchya?

      • Truthseeker007

        BEEF SUPREME said:
        Ten words, actually. But who’s counting.
        And I wonder, 007…
        How far would you go to ‘save’ the people of the planet from those of us who are, as you say, under mind control.
        Would you slay us for the greater good? Would you have us slain?
        Is this the kind of ‘truth’ you seek?

        Beef Supreme of coarse I would not slay anybody I am not like you. It is a fact that countless people have been slain in promoting they’re Bible and They’re Koran. You would be more inclined to kill people if they don’t believe in your book. It is a fact that millions have been slain because they wouldn’t abide to a certain religion especially the Christian religion and especially the Bible.
        Much of the Old Testament talks about how your cruel god murders humans for not abiding.
        Since you follow this Jahoveh or Yehweh your type is more inclined to murder women and children and inocent people because they don’t believe in your dogma due to what your evil reptilian dictator god of the bible promotes.Why don’t you read the Old Testament for once and see what a murderous maniac your god is?

        I seek knowledge and I spread the knowlege that I find so my fellow humans will wake up from the daze that they are in. I only use my pen and keyboard to help the humans wake up from they’re brainwashing. If you chose to stay brainwashed and under mind control then that is your choice, I would never harm another individual for what they believe. That is one thing we have left in the US. Freedom of religion and freedom not to practice religion. They’re is also freedom for me to give you my point of view and you are free to give me your point of view no matter how ignorant and incorrect your view is.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          007 wrote:

          “I seek knowledge and I spread the knowlege that I find…”

          If that is what you do elsewhere, it is not what you do here. Here, you are a lover of, and a disseminator of, opinion. You have a very high opinion of opinion. So high, in fact, that you have placed opinion on a level with corporeal reality.

          “That is one thing we have left in the US. Freedom of religion and freedom not to practice religion.”

          Really? Ask the US Army about that. Ask Christians who work in academia. The universal noose tightens precipitously in this terminal empire, and it tightens universally. Nothing is off the table – especially not religion. You really should pay better attention to detail.

          You wrote:

          “Beef Supreme of coarse I would not slay anybody I am not like you. It is a fact that countless people have been slain in promoting they’re Bible and They’re Koran.”

          Mayhem calls this good writing. It is difficult to decipher your intended meaning here, but what I THINK you’re saying is that the promoters have done the killing, and not that they themselves have been killed in the promotion. To which I would reply:

          Surely you mean – in promoting THEIR CHURCH. This is the one fact which opponents of Scripture consistently overlook. THE CHURCH is not THE BIBLE. If the CHURCH had ever done what the Bible told it to do, it would have immediately ceased from being THE CHURCH and it would have ceased performing all of the various criminal acts to which you rightly object. The acts and deeds of sinister institutions and men over the millennia are UNJUSTLY conflated with the teaching of a body of writing which specifically mandates that men NOT behave in such savage ways.

          Furthermore, the killing you object to in the Old Testament is not of this kind. HYBRID ABOMINATIONS were, unceremoniously and with extreme prejudice, terminated by the orders from on High. And in the instances where men were killed on command from the Almighty, those men were always REBELS who had given offense by their presumptuous and arrogant acts and deeds.

          If you think you can find a single example of an UNJUST killing at the hand of the Almighty Himself, I would love to know what it is. You seem to think you know better what He should do with His creation than He does.

          When you move to accuse the Bible by pointing to the vile misdeeds of men and their institutions, you move in error. The historical crimes perpetrated by men calling themselves CATHOLICS were not committed in accordance with anything written in Scripture. The truth of this matter is the opposite from what you have imagined. Such is the result of listening only to what ENEMIES of the written Word have recorded and deemed true.

        • Mayhem

          Yeah nah, that particular piece was cringe worthy. I guess the bits that Truthseeker007, cuts-n-pastes are throwing me off.

          Anyway; thought provoking debate and i have enjoyed a few hours researching this and that.

          Um, er @Beef Supreme that hotmail glitch a few months ago robbed me of your email address. Could we start again with your throwaway account please?

        • BEEF SUPREME
        • Truthseeker007

          Beef wrote:

          If that is what you do elsewhere, it is not what you do here. Here, you are a lover of, and a disseminator of, opinion. You have a very high opinion of opinion. So high, in fact, that you have placed opinion on a level with corporeal reality.

          “That is one thing we have left in the US. Freedom of religion and freedom not to practice religion.”

          Really? Ask the US Army about that. Ask Christians who work in academia. The universal noose tightens precipitously in this terminal empire, and it tightens universally. Nothing is off the table – especially not religion. You really should pay better attention to detail.

          End Quote

          Well then are you not also disseminator of opinion? Anything can be classified as opinion.What is truth? The truth is that the Bible was not written by the pen of god but it was written by the pen of men and put together at the Council of Nicea for control purposes.Wherein the entity Constantine ordered the various religious sects to come together and create a single religion for Rome, a Universal religion that incorporated all of the aspects of the various religions, so that all could accept and subscribe to it. I suggest that you need to recognize the need for always being allowed to question, to explore, and not be forced into belief of anything. You may accept something partially, believe something, but keep some of your doubts at all times in order to evaluate the concepts and ideas, which you hold clear, for that creates a healthy mind, one which is not closed by some programming, but one which can evaluate, study and explore from evidence.

          Beef Supreme said:
          Surely you mean – in promoting THEIR CHURCH. This is the one fact which opponents of Scripture consistently overlook. THE CHURCH is not THE BIBLE. If the CHURCH had ever done what the Bible told it to do, it would have immediately ceased from being THE CHURCH and it would have ceased performing all of the various criminal acts to which you rightly object. The acts and deeds of sinister institutions and men over the millennia are UNJUSTLY conflated with the teaching of a body of writing which specifically mandates that men NOT behave in such savage ways.End Quote

          You are correct that the Church is not the Bible. I can agree with you about the Church but rember the people in the Church are the ones that listen to the Church. Well The Bible does say some pretty sick things so if people were to abide by the Bible 100% they would be locked up.Here are some examples:

          Eat Your Children
          “And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD they God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straightness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:” (Deuteronomy 28:53)

          “And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.” (Deuteronomy 28:57)

          Comment
          Here we have the horrific calling for cannibalism. It comes even more barbaric considering it calls for the devouring of their own sons and daughters.

          Hardly anyone today accepts cannibalism, yet many fundamentalist Christians would have us believe that cannibalism or some other depravity will result if we choose not to believe in God or to choose another god.

          (See also II Kings 6:28-29)

          God Accepts Slavery
          “And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.” (Exodus 21:5-6)

          Comment
          The Bible bears witness to the fact that God accepts not only slavery but violence against such slaves (in this case a awl driven through the ear) for the innocent statement of love for their master, wife and children.

          It came from precisely these verses that justified, in many peoples minds, the tortures inflicted on African slaves when they tried to leave their cruel masters in the American colonies. “Good” Christians of the day would drive nails and spikes through the ears of defenseless slaves whose only offense came from the will to no longer serve as slaves.

          Not until after the Civil War did federal laws become enacted to protect African Americans from gross physical abuse. Even today, the KKK and “the Aryan Race” use the Bible as justification for their attacks against “Negroes.”

          God Orders Adultery
          “This said the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.” (II Samuel 12:11)

          Comment
          Here describes God, not only condoning adultery, but literally causes it to happen!

          Note also, the strange assertion that God raises up evil, supposedly an act reserved for Satan. In fact, nowhere does the Bible accuse Satan of raising evil. Little do most faithful realize that they worship a raiser and creator of evil (for God’s creation of evil, see Isaiah 45:7).

          Happy To Kill Children
          “Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.” (Psalms 137:9, KJV)

          “How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones Against the rock.” (Psalms 137:9, New American Bible)

          “Happy the man who shall seize and smash your little ones against the rock!” (Psalms 137:9, New American Bible)

          “a blessing on anyone who seizes your babies and shatters them against a rock!” (Psalms 137:9, Jerusalem Bible)

          Comment
          Ask a Christian friend whether he or she should feel happy to dash a child against the rocks. Your friend will most likely stare at you in horror, much less believe this idea exists in their sacred Bible.

          Many Churches have found this verse quite embarrassing. It gives no wonder why priests, Jews, and Christians alike, who quote from Psalms 137, always leave out this last verse.

          (See also Isaiah 13:16; Hosea 13-16)

          Beed Supreme said:

          Furthermore, the killing you object to in the Old Testament is not of this kind. HYBRID ABOMINATIONS were, unceremoniously and with extreme prejudice, terminated by the orders from on High. And in the instances where men were killed on command from the Almighty, those men were always REBELS who had given offense by their presumptuous and arrogant acts and deeds.End Quote

          Yes your Annunaki god Jahoveh/Yehweh is a murderer we know that.I myself would never worship this imposter god as you do.

          Beef Supreme said

          If you think you can find a single example of an UNJUST killing at the hand of the Almighty Himself, I would love to know what it is. You seem to think you know better what He should do with His creation than He does.End Quote

          I believe all of the murdering by the Annunaki(Jahoveh.Yehweh) is unjust. Is it right for a human to go around killing dogs because they are inferior. Do you kill your dog if it don’t listen. Jahovah is a war god,That is a fact. If he don’t get his way he goes on a murderous killing spree.
          The Bible god is not the Divine but an imposter god and is the big reason why they’re is so much war on this Earth.There was a deficiency in the gene of Jehovah, which, while helping this entity to be a good scientist, did not allow the entity to understand qualities of mercy and universal oneness. Jahovah was vain and self-centered — a megalomania.

          Beef Supreme said:
          When you move to accuse the Bible by pointing to the vile misdeeds of men and their institutions, you move in error. The historical crimes perpetrated by men calling themselves CATHOLICS were not committed in accordance with anything written in Scripture. The truth of this matter is the opposite from what you have imagined. Such is the result of listening only to what ENEMIES of the written Word have recorded and deemed true.End Quote

          That is your opinion. I disagree.

    • Truthseeker007

      I would like to point out that A Baktun is 20 Katun cycles of the ancient Maya Long Count calendar, which contains 144,000 days.

      The numeration of the Long Count calendar begins with,

      kin for ones

      uinal for twenties

      one Tun for 18 uinal periods or what we would call months plus a vayeb of five unnamed days

      one katun for 20 Tun or 7,200 days which is 19 years, 73 days

      one baktun for 20 katun or 144,000 days or 394 years, 52 days and so forth until the multiples reached alau-tun which equals 23,040,000,000 days or 63,080,082 years!

      The Maya spoke of eras of 5,125.40 years each equaling 13 baktuns of 144,000 days each. Each cycle of 13 baktuns was reckoned as an Age or Great Cycle, a specific historical epoch. Like the days and the uinal months, each era had a qualifying meaning represented by its particular glyph. Each Great Cycle was said to be governed by a different Sun with a specific destiny for the evolutions of those incarnating during that era.

      More then likely the writer of revelations got the number 144,000 from the Maya and twisted the number to fit they’re own agenda.

    • Truthseeker007

      How about some more numbers:

      “In Scandinavia, the Great Odin had 12 names personified attributes. The Kabalists esteem the 12 permutations of the Tetragrammaton … In an ordinary pack of Playing Cards there are 12 Court Cards, but in the Tarot Pack there are also 4 Cavaliers. There were 12 recorded Appearances of Jesus after his death; to Mary Magdalene, to the Galician women, to two disciples, to Peter, to ten apostles, to eleven apostles, to seven apostles and others when fishing, to 500 brethren at once, to James the Less, to eleven apostles, to Stephen at his martyrdom, to Paul at his Conversion and to the apostle John.”

      In the Bible there were 12 tribes of Israel, 12 brothers of Joseph, 12 judges of Israel, 12 great patriarchs, 12 old testament prophets, 12 kings of Israel, 12 princes of Israel, and Jesus’ 12 disciples. Later in the chapter on Astrotheology it will be shown how these 12s relate to the 12 signs of the zodiac, the 12 months of the year, the 12 hours of day and 12 hours of night.

      We also have 12 days of Christmas, 12 grades in school, 12 step programs, 12 jurors, 12 notes before the octave, 12 eggs in a dozen, 12 inches in a foot, Majestic12, and 12 years of childhood before the “teens” and the Jewish Barmitsfa at 13.

      “A common theme in all mystery school traditions is of 12 disciples, knights or followers surrounding a deity. The number 12 is a code, among other things, for the 12 months of the year and the houses of the zodiac through which symbolically travels the Sun, the ‘god’, symbolized as 13.

      Thus you have the 12 tribes of Israel, 12 princes of Ishmael, 12 disciples or followers of Jesus, Buddha, Osiris and Quetzalcoatl. There is also King Arthur and his 12 Knights of the Round Table (the zodiac circle), Himmler and his 12 knights in the Nazi SS, and the woman (Isis, Semiramis) with a crown of 12 stars in the Book of Revelation.

      In Scandinavia and that whole northern region you find the Odin mysteries, again inspired by the same Aryan race from the Near East. In this tradition, you find twelve ‘Drottars’ presiding over the mysteries with Odin. The sacred 12 and one again. These stories are not literally true, they are mystery school symbolism. This continues today with these same symbols used by the Brotherhood secret society network in national flags, coats of arms, advertising and company logos.

      That Brotherhood creation, the European Union, has a circle of 12 stars as its symbol. We are talking sacred numbers and geometry here. The proportions of Egyptian statues, whether big or small, were multiples or sub multiples of 12 or 6.”

      See more:
      http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/atlantean_conspiracy/atlantean_conspiracy39.htm

    • Truthseeker007

      How about 33:

      There are 13 degrees of YorkRite Masonry and 33 degrees of ScottishRite.

      Our measuring system originated in Masonic France in the 1790s which explains why 13 standard inches is equal to exactly 33 metric centimeters. Ice freezes at 32 degrees Fahrenheit and changes to water at 33 degrees, corresponding precisely with the Masonic degrees of illumination. 33 is the first “degree” solid ice can melt/move freely.

      The very idea of measuring heat by degrees is Masonic. So is your diploma (degree), and getting “the third degree” comes from the Masonic third degree ceremony in which the initiate must answer many probing, personal questions.

      The eagle, one of the main symbols of ScottishRite Freemasonry, is found on the dollar bill. It has 32 feathers on its right wing symbolizing the 32 formal degrees of ScottishRite Masonry, but he’s looking at his left wing which contains an extra 33rd feather representing the 33rd degree held by many world leaders and historical figures. Head of the Supreme Council of World Freemasonry Albert Pike invented the 33rd degree of Freemasonry in 1832.

      He was Chief Judicial Officer and CoFounder of the KKK (K = 11th letter, 11×3 = 33)

      “In Hebron he [King David] reigned over Judah seven years and six months [7+6 = 13]: and in Jerusalem he reigned thirty and three years [33] over all Israel and Judah.”

      2 Samuel 5:5

      There are multiple references to 33 in the bible: 33 days of purification (Leviticus 12:4), 33 sons and daughters of Israel (Genesis 46:15), and 3300 officers of King Solomon (1 Kings 5:16). King David reigned in Jerusalem for 33 years (1 Kings 2:11). The Star of David is two triangles, meaning two 3s – 33. There are exactly 33 titles in the Old Testament for the antichrist and 13 in the New Testament. Most importantly, Jesus was baptized at age 30, began his 3 year ministry, then died and was resurrected at age 33 (Luke 3:23).

      Also see (1 Chronicles 3:4, and 1 Chronicles 29:27).

      “The sun enters at the 30th degree but is not totally clear until the 33rd degree, as it is of a certain size also. This is why they said in the Bible that the ministry of Christ begins at 30 and finishes at 33. This reference would have been unmistakable to anyone aware of the secrets of astrology. The number is connected to the initiation of the ‘Sun’ of god not ‘Son,’ passing through the zodiac. This is why the Freemasonic lodges also utilize the number.”

      –Michael Tsarion, “Astrotheology and Sidereal Mythology”

      In astrology, the sun officially transitions into a new sign of the zodiac at the 33rd degree (a concept well-known long before Christianity). For more information regarding the astrological origins of the Christian mythos reference the chapter titled “Astrotheology.”

      Dante’s Divine Comedy divided into 3, 33 cantos sections: 33 Cantos of Inferno, 33 Cantos of Purgatorio, and 33 Cantos of Paradiso.

      The human foot has 33 muscles. The Indy 500 traditionally starts with 3 rows of 11 (33) race cars. There is a band called 311. The Bank of America logo is 3 sets of 11s making 33. The Queen Mother’s time of death was reported 3:15 (both hands on 3 = 33).

      Enron CEO Kenneth Lay bought the entire 33rd floor of his building and lived in condo number 33. The “Windows” logo covertly encodes 33 in the window panes.

      The double Bali Indonesia bombings on Oct. 12th, 2002, and Oct. 1st, 2005, were 11 days short of 3 years apart.

      “11/11/2004 they offed Yasswer Arafat and pronounced him dead officially at ‘3:30’am. The same day the UN/WHO meets to discuss the ‘bird flu’ for the first time.

      ‘3 months and 11 days’ later on 2/22/2005 the CDC starts scaring the American people with more avian flu mutation propaganda, mentioning possible military enforced ‘quarantines’ coming for the American people. All true. Already happened …

      The space shuttle taxis to launch pad #39 on runway #33 in Florida. The elite sacrificed Columbia STS 107 with 1 astronaut from each of the 7 continents over the 33rd parallel on ‘2/1’/03, [33] the 11th year anniversary to the morning of a speech Bush delivered in front on the UN calling for the “New World Order”. Bastards! again and again. …

      Janet Reno was appointed on ‘3/11’/1993. 39(13×3) days later they burned everyone alive in the WACO church. ‘3/11’/1985 was also the date of Mikhail ‘NWO’ Gorbachov’s inauguration.”

      Eric Rainbolt, “The Cryptocracy Book” (78)

      Roosevelt and Hitler came to power in 1933 and both were committed to the establishment of the New World Order. The Masonic Great Seal with the Latin “New World Order” was added to the dollar bill in 1933. Walt Disney was a 33rd degree Freemason and Disneyland has a “Club 33.”

      The Magic Kingdom castle was designed after the New Shvanstien castle in Bavaria where the Illuminati was formed. During WWII 33rd degree Winston Churchill gave us the “V for Victory” two finger salute which since the 60s became “Peace.” Before this Masonic sign stood for Victory or Peace, it was a symbol of the 33rd degree.

      There are 3 joints to the knuckle on two fingers making 33 then held apart like a V is about 33 degrees. 33rd degree Mason Buzz Aldrin and son of a 33rd degree Mason Neil Armstrong Jr. supposedly performed a Masonic ceremony 33 minutes after arriving on the moon, held the Masonic flag, and took pictures of each other.

      On 2/7/03 a Columbia night club blast killed 33.

      33rd degree Free Masonic director James Cameron attended the Houston, Texas opening of his film ‘Titanic,’ which began playing at exactly 3:33pm, with 2 other (making 3) 33rd degree Free Masons.

      Stanley Kubrick was murdered exactly 666 days before the start of 2001, his Space Odyssey. 2001: Space Odyssey was first shown in 1968, 33 years before 2001.

      Rosemary’s Baby was filmed in the Dakota building where John Lennon, who personally knew Polanski, was shot to death. In the movie, the elites (including cameo by Church of Satan founder Anton LeVay) demand her baby for success and fame. One year after, Polanski’s pregnant wife Sharon Tate was murdered by Charles Manson’s followers.

      Manson was later seen frantically waving Masonic gestures at his trial.

      “John F. Kennedy was killed over currency right next to the 33rd degree latitude line in the 11th month on the 22nd = 2 x 11 right when he entered the pyramid. Where they killed him, with a triangle hit of masonry, they erected an Egyptian obelisk with the eternal flame of masonry on top. Ronald Reagan was shot in the 3rd month on the 30th day 3 + 30 = 33. George Bush Sr. aren’t you a 33rd degree mason, and wouldn’t you have benefited from Reagan’s death? Were not your policies radically different from Reagan’s? Didn’t you ride his coat tails into office? You would have NEVER have been President if it wasn’t for Reagan.”

      “Masonic – Occult Numerology” by “Duke”

      “Little more than two months after taking office, President Reagan was struck by an assassin’s bullet which, but for a quarter of an inch, would have propelled Bush into the Oval Office seven years before his time. Oddly enough, the brother of the would-be assassin, John W. Hinckley, had scheduled dinner with Bush’s son Neil the very night Reagan was shot. Hinckley’s Texas oilman father and George Bush were longtime friends. It should also be noted that Bush’s name—including his then little publicized nickname ‘Poppy’ along with his address and phone number were found in the personal notebook of oil geologist George DeMohrenschildt, the last known close friend of Lee Harvey Oswald.”

      Jim Marrs, “Rule by Secrecy” (32)

      Jesus was crucified by the Roman government and died for 3 days at age 33. Alexander the Great also died at 33. Pope John Paul I was murdered after being in power for only 33 days.

      David Koresh, leader of the Branch Davidians at Waco Texas was killed by the US government at 33 years old near the 33rd parallel.

      Oklahoma City bombing suspect Timothy McVeigh was also murdered by the government at 33. There were 33 victims in the suspicious Virginia Tech shootings in April, 2007.

      “Significant though it was, the JFK assassination is only one among many calculated murders that have happened along, or close to, the 33rd Parallel. The number of murders of people of high position and key witnesses along the 33rd Parallel is significant.”

      Day Williams, “Masons and Mystery at the 33rd Parallel”

      http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/atlantean_conspiracy/atlantean_conspiracy39.htm

      All coincedence??? I don’t think so but that is just my opinion.

    • Truthseeker

      truthseeker007

      I read just a few lines you wrote accusing God of murdering folks and slavery.

      When the children of Israel were taken in to the promised land, the ONE who became Christ told Moses to kill the tribes of people in the promised land completely to the last person.

      Why? He did not want the carnal unconverted people of Israel to be mixed in with people that sacrificed their own children in the fire to Molech, that ate human flesh, that had sex with the own children at very early age, as the muslims do to day. All that do abdominal things HE put to death. He created them and He will resurrect them at a later time to train them in the right WAY later under better conditions.

      I have grand children if I had my way every pedophile on earth would be rounded up and put to death by what ever means at hand.. The Creator God is not allowed to do the same with those He created?

      At the start of the 1000 years when Jesus Christ rules earth slavery will be allowed. It is the best way for a benevolent people to retrain evil morons in the right way of life.

      • Truthseeker007

        Do you even read your Bible??????

        David Slaughters Them
        “And he brought out the people that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes…” (I Chronicles 20:3)

        Comment
        Chapters 17-19 (17-18-19) tells us that David killed 22,000 Syrians and that Abishai killed 18,000 Edomites. No one expresses shame at such slaughters.

        Here in 20:3, we have David, counted as a great leader of the Israelites, slaughtering captives after the cessation of hostilities. From what high moral ground should we admire this action?

        Decapitate Them!
        “And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, ‘Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.’” (Numbers 25:3-4)

        Comment
        Those who worshipped other gods must die, and even more horribly, their heads displayed publicly. Either God never said anything so cruel, or we truly live in a cursed universe, ruled by a maniac Supreme Being.

        Gideon Slaughters
        “And Gideon said, Therefore when the Lord hath delivered Zebah and Zalmunna into mine hand, then I will tear your flesh with the thorns of the wilderness and with briers” (Judges 8:7)

        “Now Zebah and Zalmunna were Karkor, and their hosts with them, about fifteen thousand men, all that were left of all the hosts of the children of the east: for there fell an hundred and twenty thousand men that drew sword.” (Judges 8:10)

        Comment
        The Gideon Society places Bibles into motels and hotels across America. One would assume Gideon lived as a person of exemplary character and great worth to have a worldwide society named after him. Below describes some of Gideon’s accomplishments:

        Gideon slaughtered thousands in battle by plotting with the “Lord” to use Treachery.
        Gideon murdered thousands more for worshipping “false Gods.”
        Gideon tortured and killed still more for daring to taunt him.
        Gideon plundered the bodies of his victims (to fashion a jeweled priestly vestment).
        Gideon fathered an offspring who killed 69 of his stepbrothers.
        Read the story of Gideon in Judges, chapters thru 6-9 ( 6-7-8-9). The tale of Gideon describes just one of the many horror stories in the Bible, a book that glorifies behavior abysmal to modern society. The clergy and leaders have hoodwinked millions of people about the stories in the Bible. Don’t let others decide for yourself.

        God Buries Them Alive
        “And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation. And all Israel that were round about them fled at the cry of them: for they said, Lest the earth swallow us up also. And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense.” (Numbers 16:32-35)

        Comment
        Moses relays a sadistic threat that asks us to believe that God punishes members of families, including innocent infants. And again we have the Satanic fire coming from God burning his creations.

        God Kills The Firstborns!
        “And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead.” (Exodus 12:29-30)

        Comment
        If we believe every word in the Bible as coming from God, then it stands to reason that the violent actions from the God described in Exodus cannot give us a moral comparison to live our lives in a peaceful world.

        If one wishes to believe that God possess love for His creations, then the killing of innocent children cannot possibly come from God, and therefore, these verses from the Bible must have come elsewhere. But note that if one takes the Bible’s words as absolute truth, then not only did God smote the firstborn children, but all firstborn regardless of age. This means all firstborn teenagers, firstborn men & women, firstborn octogenarians, and even all firstborn cows and bulls. Regardless of how much love, charity, or goodness they may have imparted to the world, if they had the unfortunate luck to have first passed through their mother’s vagina in the land of Egypt, according to the Bible, God killed them!

        God Sends Pestilence
        “Either three years’ famine; or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee; or else three days the sword of the LORD, even the pestilence, in the land, and the angel of the LORD destroying throughout all the coasts of Israel…” (I Chronicles 21:12)

        “So the LORD sent pestilence upon Israel: and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men.” (I Chronicles 21:14)

        Comment
        David made an offense against God in taking a census of the people, so God gave David a choice. Oddly enough, David ignores God and never actually gets around to making a choice; so the Lord makes the decision for him and sends pestilence upon Israel.

        It appears unclear as to why David committed a crime, but why shouldn’t God have punished individual offenders instead of killing an army of innocent bystanders? Atrocities such as this appear outrageous enough when perpetrated by Attila the Hun, Hitler or Pol Pot, but when it comes from a, supposedly, loving God, it should make one wonder if this represents a Devil instead of a God.

        God Slaughters Blacks
        “And there came out against them Zerah the Ethiopian with an host of a thousand thousand, and three hundred chariots…” (II Chronicles 14:9)

        So the LORD smote the Ethiopians before Asa, and before Judah; and the Ethiopians fled. (II Chronicles 14:12)

        Comment
        It appears that Black Christian Bible studies programs ignore these verses, for it says that the Lord God slaughtered over a million blacks.

        The association of black with evil goes far back in Western Christian culture. The early Church fathers, Origen, Jerome, and Augustine of Hippo wrote about devils appearing as Ethiopians.

        White racist groups (such as the Ku Klux Klan who think of themselves as opposite of black devils) see these Biblical verses as evidence to justify their beliefs. We still hear phrases such as “Prince of Darkness” or “Black magic” which link blackness with sin.

        In the story of Ham and Japheth, the word “ham” has connotations of “hot” and “dark” in Semitic languages. To the ancient Israelites, as well as some modern Jews and Christians, the “children of Ham” had dark skin and lived in eastern Africa. Thus they see the “Curse of Ham” as a link with black skin and sexual license.

        God’s Threat To Kill
        “And Moses said, Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt: And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sitteth upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts.” (Exodus 11:4-5)

        Comment
        After reading such verses, it would become apparent, even to a child, that this does not describe the actions of a loving Being. Anyone who reconciles the killing of innocent children with an intelligent and loving Creator can only come from great ignorance under the addiction of blind faith.

        Godly Head Wounds
        “But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such a one as goeth on still in his trespasses. The Lord said, I will bring again from Bashan, I will bring my people again from the depths of the sea: That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same.” (Psalms 68:21-23)

        Godly Mass Murder
        “And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.” (I Samuel 6:19)

        Comment
        Here we have just one more instance of God performing mass murder, a sadistic killer far worse than Hitler, Attila the Hun or Pol Pot.

        These verses should insult the intelligence of any person who thinks that God possesses a loving nature.

        One should not dismiss the Old Testament’s repeated demand for the vilest atrocities as something peculiar to the early Hebrews. Even today, our most atrocious wars, terrorism and hate crimes occur around the world based on ancient religious beliefs, many of them coming directly from verses in the Old and New Testament.

        Kill All Unbelievers
        “And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God…” (Deuteronomy 13: 5)

        “If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;” (Deuteronomy 13: 6)

        “Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.” (Deuteronomy 13:8-9)

        “Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.” (Deuteronomy 13:15)

        Comment
        These severe laws commanded the members of the Hebrew religion to murder even their own children if they did not worship Yahweh (God).

        These Bible words can justify, to a fanatical fundamentalist believer, the killing of friends or family simply because they may fail to change their beliefs.

        Why anyone today would accept these words, much less allow them to exist in a sacred book goes against the nature of any tolerant and loving people.

        Kill Man, Woman, Infant
        “Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.” (I Samuel 15:2-3)

        Comment
        No matter how one can justify possible crimes from adults, suckling infants have no means of acting out crimes. And what evil against God could the animals have possibly performed? Only an evil entity could kill innocent infants and animals, no matter what their parents and owners may have done.

        Moses’ Mass Murder
        “Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.” (Numbers 31:16-18)

        Comment
        Moses commands the murder of approximately 100,000 young males and, roughly, 68,000 helpless women.

        Consider women and children of your own family: No matter how sick they may lay, or how they may go against a religion, how would you feel if a man named Moses, claiming to speak for God, sent men into your house and hacked to pieces the women and male children? Also, how would you react if they spotted a female child, dragged her off with them to do as they please with her? Note that these innocent virgins served for their own sexual pleasures.

        Midian, the land of the Midianites, did not reside in an area regarded as a natural enemy of Israel for centuries, and in fact lay hundreds of miles away from the Israelite encampment. Moses, himself, had lived in Midian as fugitive after committing his first murder. In short, Midian presented no threat to God’s “Chosen People.”

        Raping And Killing
        “Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.” (Isaiah 13:15-16)

        Comment
        These verses foretold the deaths of the people of Babylon. Fortunately not everyone in Babylon (now modern Iraq) fell by the sword or had their children dashed to pieces or their wives raped (just another instance of errors in the Bible). How some people who believe in an infallible Bible can accept these verses as God inspired, or morally uplifting can only give evidence to the blinding nature of belief. For if we believe these words as God inspired, then the killing of children and the raping of wives must also come as an inspiration from the Supreme Being.

        Shed The Blood
        “And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man’s brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made the man.” (Genesis 9:5-6)

        Slaughter Of Innocents
        “And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.” (Deuteronomy 2:34)

        “And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Hesbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities we took for a prey to ourselves.” (Deuteronomy 3:6-7)

        Comment
        Such words helped give justification to mediaeval Crusaders who slaughtered men, women and children along their way to Jerusalem and stole the spoils of the cities. Even today, many Christian military men use Scripture to justify their actions. If any soldier harbors doubt about killing his fellow humans, he need only consult a military chaplain or read the Bible to calm their worries. Even George Bush (the First), with Billy Graham beside him, proclaimed the Gulf War as “moral.” George Bush (the Second) continued in his father’s steps by killing thousands of Iraqi civilians in the Iraqi war. Such moral wars result in thousands of “utterly destroyed” innocent men, women and children.;

        (For a few more examples [but not all] see also Deuteronomy 3:3, 7:2, 20:16-17 , 25:19; Joshua 6:21, 8:26, 10-28-40; Numbers 31:17-18; I Samuel 15:3; Isaiah 13:16; and Hosea 13:16)

        Slay Old And Young
        “And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and woman: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.” (Ezekiel 9:5-6)

        Comment
        These words, commanded by God, orders the slaying of not only women and the old, but of little children. These accounts of cold-blooded massacres occurred simply because people refused to accept Yahweh. These phrases should give warning to anyone who knows a person who believes every word in the Bible.

        For what sense of moral reasoning should we allow ourselves to admire such Biblical verses?

        The Survivors
        “Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.” (Revelation 7:3-4)

        “And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.” (Revelation 9:3-4)

        “And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.” (Revelation 14:1)

        “…the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins.” (Revelation 14:3-4)

        Comment
        Here we have the great future destruction where billions of people will die. Only 144,000 virgin Jews with a protective mark on their heads will survive. (I suppose the ‘Jews for Jesus’ cult would serve as the leading candidates.)

        How many believers realize that this means the death of everyone on earth but a few virgin Jews? And this includes the destruction of all Christians! (Of course the alleged Jesus, a virgin Jew, who claimed only a few would enter heaven would agree with this).

        Utter Destruction, 1
        “And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.” (Joshua 6:21)

        Comment
        These “God inspired” words give not a hint of mercy to innocent slaughtered women, children or the old.

        After Moses and Aaron died, Joshua assumed command and the Israelites entered Jericho. Note that in the same siege, “all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the Lord: they shall come into the treasury of the Lord” (Joshua 6:19)

        In the battle of Ai, the Bible tells that twelve thousand, the whole population of Ai, got slaughtered. (Josh. 8:25)

        Note that many invaders throughout history have used such words as justification for wars and looting

        I could go on and on but its making me sick!! Such a loving Bible and Bible god huh?????

        • Blackie the faithful border collie

          Top quality tucking son.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          You’ll continue to expect fair treatment for yourself and a fair hearing for your writing even while posting things like this:

          Quote:

          Kill All Unbelievers
          “And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God…” (Deuteronomy 13: 5)

          End quote.

          What kind of a fraud does this? This is your example of an order to ‘kill all unbelievers’? You’ve been reading the Koran again, haven’t you? Too bad you can’t manage to keep separate in your head what you read in separate books. This is a very typical example of your dishonesty. Not only is the verse you provided here NOTHING of the kind you charge it to be, but I would challenge you to point to ANY OTHER VERSE from Scripture which can honestly be read as an injunction to KILL ALL UNBELIEVERS. Once again, your dishonest tactics are deplorable.

          And apparently you have a problem taking Authorities at Their word. If the KING says He will take VENGEANCE on a man or group of men, contingent upon that man or those men committing certain crimes or performing certain deeds, then WHY do YOU have a problem with the KING actually disbursing the PROMISED PUNISHMENT when those crimes and deeds are in fact perpetrated?

          Your arrogance makes you believe you know better than the KING HIMSELF how He should deal Justice in His own Kingdom.

          You are standing in gross error.

        • Truthseeker007

          BEEF SUPREME Said
          What kind of a fraud does this? This is your example of an order to ‘kill all unbelievers’? You’ve been reading the Koran again, haven’t you? Too bad you can’t manage to keep separate in your head what you read in separate books. This is a very typical example of your dishonesty. Not only is the verse you provided here NOTHING of the kind you charge it to be, but I would challenge you to point to ANY OTHER VERSE from Scripture which can honestly be read as an injunction to KILL ALL UNBELIEVERS. Once again, your dishonest tactics are deplorable.
          End Quote

          What are you talking about Beef? It says it right here in your Bible.If anybody is dishonest it is you.You lie to other people and yourself.I will even provide the link for you:

          Deuteronomy 13

          5And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

          6If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

          http://biblehub.com/kjv/deuteronomy/13.htm

          Beef Supreme said:

          And apparently you have a problem taking Authorities at Their word. If the KING says He will take VENGEANCE on a man or group of men, contingent upon that man or those men committing certain crimes or performing certain deeds, then WHY do YOU have a problem with the KING actually disbursing the PROMISED PUNISHMENT when those crimes and deeds are in fact perpetrated?

          Your arrogance makes you believe you know better than the KING HIMSELF how He should deal Justice in His own Kingdom.

          You are standing in gross error.
          End Quote

          Then beef clearly you believe that Obamba or whoever is in charge has the right to kill you and your family for not believing in his god.You truly are a sick demented person beef.You may want to take some therapy because the Bible has clearly brainwashed you to hate humans. Your god is clearly a sick god and has perverted your way of thinking and acting.

          You clearly Worship the Authority of the State. You worship authority and state power, you defend the state even when the state commits genocide and does false flags to start wars. You say that you oppose killing citing the Ten Commandments “Thou Shalt Not Kill” but you are comfortable with war and state sanctioned violence. You vote for the most vicious of state killers like Dick Cheney and GW Bush. You are against murder if an individual does it but mightily approve if the state does it especially if the state kills non white peoples.. You are obviously living within a lie and thus are comfortable with lies of state and the Bible.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          The usefulness of our conversation has just expired. You have thrown out any pretense to connection with reality. You think that because I confess to believing the written Word that you are speaking with a boot-licking neoconservative? If you have mistaken me for a Glenn Beck or a Sarah Palin, then you have no idea about the world you live in. Either that, or I have been arguing with a child all this time.

          And I have no idea in what world the verses you quoted mean what you say they mean, but it isn’t this world. Words have meaning, 007. They don’t mean what you pretend they mean.

          I have no interest in carrying on further with you. You have demonstrated yourself to be dishonest in the extreme, illogical and childish in your reasoning. Conversation with you has lost its meaning. You are almost out of time and you are fresh out of excuses. Best of luck to you. The last word is yours.

        • Truthseeker007

          BEEF SUPREME Said:
          The usefulness of our conversation has just expired. You have thrown out any pretense to connection with reality. You think that because I confess to believing the written Word that you are speaking with a boot-licking neoconservative? If you have mistaken me for a Glenn Beck or a Sarah Palin, then you have no idea about the world you live in. Either that, or I have been arguing with a child all this time.
          And I have no idea in what world the verses you quoted mean what you say they mean, but it isn’t this world. Words have meaning, 007. They don’t mean what you pretend they mean.

          I have no interest in carrying on further with you. You have demonstrated yourself to be dishonest in the extreme, illogical and childish in your reasoning. Conversation with you has lost its meaning. You are almost out of time and you are fresh out of excuses. Best of luck to you. The last word is yours.End Quote

          You compared yourself to them not me.Who is the dishonest one here? You chose to end this conversation because you know you are wrong. I hope you have learned something here.You call me childish because you have no way to combat the truth. You try to put me down to make yourself look better when you are just making a fool of yourself.Since you called me childish I will use a quote from your Bible.

          Luke 18
          17Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

          I wish you the best of luck. I will leave you with this.

          If entities would take the time to do a comparative religious study (and there are hundreds of books on the subject), entities would be amazed at the overlapping relationship and similarities between the various religions. Most entities, however, simply assume by faith, by dogma, by rote, by repetition, by repeating the programming they have received, that they are right in their present worship and religious views, and all others are of the devil, or are ignorant, or are evil, and have no basis at all for existing, except under the premise of false religions. Entities might even be shocked to discover that the other religions often feel the same about them.

          The principle of remaining ignorant is to keep entities from discovering what is, by hypnotizing them to look only what you want them to look at.This likened unto a hypnotist holding a bauble or pendulum or trinket or crystal before the subject’s face, moving this back and forth and saying to the subject,

          “Repeat the name of this deity again, again, again, again, again, again, again, over and over and over, never question the power and righteousness of this particular deity, do not look at the false deities of other hypnotists around you, beside you, behind you, never turn, never look, never listen to what they are saying. Listen only to my words, listen only to these words, these are the holy words, these are the only words of truth. Listen only to my voice, listen only to my voice, my voice is all you hear. Read only these words, read no other words. Watch this bauble, watch this name, watch this crystal. This is the only possible truthful way, This is the only truth there is. All others are lies. All is false except this.”

          Take this kind of hypnotic programming and insert various religious deities in as the name of the bauble and ask yourself which is using this system, or are all of these using this system. You may insert the name Krishna, you may insert the name Allah, you may insert the name Christ, you may insert the name Mohammed, you may insert the name of whatever religious system, and you will find that essentially they are all using the same hypnotic technique of shutting out all questions and closing the mind through hypnotic suggestion to accept only that which they promote

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