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FALSE AND DEMONIC TEACHING ALERT!!!!!
If you are a novice Christian, do not fall for the trap of a pre-tribulation rapture. While all hell is literally about to break loose, the trap is thinking you will have an easy way out of it. It is in Satan’s interest to have you fall for this trap. Thinking that Jesus will rapture you out of here before all hell breaks loose will only make you cannon fodder for the Devil and his forces when all hell does break loose. Is the so-called Church ready for martyrdom today? No they are not. They are not ready to stand in their faith against the ravages of the beast. Do not be misled by what someone says the Bible says. Read the Bible for yourself. Read the 24th chapter of Matthew and you’ll see that Jesus comes for the Church after the tribulation period. Read the Book of Revelation and you’ll see that Jesus calls us to a patient and enduring faith during the time of the antichrist. We are entering the time period the Bible warned us about, the time the world of the dead will open its mouth wide for. The body of Christ should be in boot camp bracing and strengthening themselves in the LORD, preparing for all-out war, the war of all wars. But instead, the so-called Church is ill prepared for what will soon envelop the whole world because of this false hope of being raptured out of here before the tribulation period. They are oblivious to the sounds of war in the heavenlies and prepare not for what is about to happen. Because they have not studied the Scriptures and believed a lie, they will be sitting ducks for the enemy to take out. They will fall pitifully short in their destinies, to what God has called them to.
Do not listen to these false teachers who unwittingly lay a trap for you. If you are a sheep that has been misled by a false teacher regarding a pre-tribulation rapture, I bid you now to cut out this nonsense of thinking you won’t be here and run, not walk, but run for cover in the shadow of His wings (see Psalm 91) if you expect to endure until the end, whether the end for you is martyrdom or the Second Coming, which occurs at the end of this age at the 7th trumpet.
To find the secret place of refuge, see:
/spirit/2013/03/invoking-angels-to-protect-you-and-your-loved-ones-in-these-troubled-times-2475866.html
For the truth on the rapture, see:
/alternative/2013/02/rapture-alert-millions-of-christians-have-been-deceived-2561260.html
Amen…. you are so right!
Thanks TempleIsland. God bless.
“Thinking that Jesus will rapture you out of here before all hell breaks loose will only make you cannon fodder for the Devil and his forces when all hell does break loose.”
Pre-Tribbers say not to get caught sleeping, also, that there will be persecution before and during the Tribulation. If, for whatever reason, you were not raptured out of the Tribulation, you can still know what to expect.
Quote from “The New Message on Religion”
Beware of beliefs that seem set in stone. Beware of proclamations of exclusive privilege or authority by religious leaders. Recognize that there are people who are freedom oriented and there are people who are control oriented. And the control oriented are afraid of freedom, and they are afraid of Mystery because they do not believe in the essential goodness of the human spirit. They have lost their faith in humanity and have placed all their faith in their ideology and their prescriptions that they believe have come from God. But God has only given recommendations through the great Teachers, not rules—recommendations for living, guidelines for living to help people orient their lives correctly and productively and beneficially.
God has provided a New Message into the world to clarify this picture and to provide a clear pathway for those who seek to have the real experience, and they can have this experience within their religious traditions or outside of them.
Likewise, no religious teaching should promote war and attack upon other groups. This represents competition for power between these groups, but this is not what religion is. Religion is bringing you to God and to what God has placed within you to guide you, to protect you and to lead you to your great accomplishments in life. Anything beyond this is an invention—a human invention, an adaptation. People will have to figure out what this means in terms of the application of law and the running of societies.
Religion has become overlaid with ideas, beliefs, institutions, laws and requirements that have become repressive to the people or abhorrent to people who are more freedom loving. They do not meet the deeper need of the soul. That is why you must come back to what is essential, to what is real.
The temple, the mosque, the church and the tribal place of worship are the places to honor the Mystery and to evoke the Presence and the Power.
More to read at http://www.newmessage.org/the-new-message-on-religion As revealed to God’s Messenger
Marshall Vian Summers
Oh piss off! If it is not the religion of your ancestors it isn’t a religion. It’s just cult crap. Usually involving castration at some point.
Man with fork tongue, you claim the church will be massacred in the Tribulation (get your battle gear on) at boot camp, and THEN you take Psalm 91 (PTR view) of protection !!???
10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare
7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
6 Nor for the pestilence
11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee
4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler…..etc etc
14 “Because he has loved Me, therefore I will deliver (rescue) him;
I will set him securely (ON HIGH),BECAUSE he has known My name. rev (3: 9-10)
15 “He will call upon Me, and I will answer him;
I will be with him in [e]trouble;
I will rescue him and honor him………..I WILL RESCUE HIM. ( NASB)
Now which way you want it ..?? one or the other ?…. god am 1 23
Warning… people with GOD complexes usually wants you to be reprogrammed on their own personal interpretations by following links to their STORIES as if they are from the Epistles themselves..
furthermore anyone who calls others “novices” is belligerent…this should give you a clue to a persons character.
You really don’t understand divine protection, do you?
As long as someone is following God’s will, they are under divine protection and no harm can come to them until they complete their destiny that God has called them to. An example of this is the 2 witness of chapter 11 of Revelation. While, they are fulfilling their destiny, no harm can come to them:
“And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.”
—REV 11:5
Then, only after they have completed their mission, are they killed:
“And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.”
—REV 11:7
For any child of God, if they are fulfilling God’s will, they are under divine protection until their destiny is fulfilled. And during the tribulation, some are meant to be killed by the sword and some are meant to survive to the end. In the journey to that point, a child of God who abides in the shadow of the Most High is under divine protection.
So please study your Bible more Crazy times so you don’t muddy the waters of understanding for those truly seeking God.
Firstly you would need understanding to start with “which you don’t have” as you can’t have it both ways, just look at your duplicity ..
“they are under divine protection until their destiny is fulfilled. And during the tribulation, some are meant to be killed by the sword”……
this is your Interpretation of (under divine protection ??)
We both know what you have TAKEN AWAY from the scriptures, do you want me to post all that over again, but before I do lets look at ..
Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the GATES of HELL….. SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT.
TO
Daniel 7:21
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and PREVAILED AGAINST THEM
Parallel Strong’s Cross References TO Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them (ASV)
You can’t have it both ways… Jesus said it clearly …. was he lying ?
YOU refuse to see that the Tribulation Saints are just that, the Church (es) are GONE, BEFORE the Man of SIN PREVAILS AGAINST the Tribulation Saint….. or JESUS is Lying !!?
So which one is it ? ,YOU cant have it both ways !….to ignore this is to state you have NO DISCERNMENT AT ALL.
So please get of your high horse and stop obscuring eschatology with your mishmash of fantasy Interpretations ,so people can truly seek GOD “as it is written” in the Bible.
Hell and the antichrist do not prevail against the saints. The Beast only prevails for a time. The final outcome is the saints are resurrected and rule and reign with Jesus for all time to come and the Beast and false prophet and Satan are tossed into the lake of fire. The saints and Jesus win, the Devil and his cohorts lose.
Or perhaps you think Jesus was prevailed against because He was crucified and died on the cross? Or what about Stephen, who was stoned to death? Or what about Paul and the other early Christians who were martyred?
Please do yourself and everyone else a favor and study your Bible more instead of spouting off on things you don’t understand.
“antichrist do not prevail against the saints”
Now everyone can see your NOT capable of correct exegesis.
The Antichrist’.. as even you called him… is SATAN’S.. No 1 Killer.
Revelation 20:4New American Standard Bible (NASB)
4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of [a]their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast.
Parallel Strong’s Cross References TO Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them (ASV)
“as it is written”
Daniel 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and PREVAILED AGAINST THEM.
“Or what about Stephen, who was stoned to death? Or what about Paul and the other early Christians who were martyred?”
We are NOW talking about the Church(es) and Jacobs Trouble and arrival of the Antichrist, HOW it will play out…stay focused if that’s even possible.
Every thread has your diatribe of twisted convoluted excuses for continuing in your Myopia do yourself a favour and try and understanding “AS IT IS WRITTEN” then you will do us all a favour
really
enuff said 3am here off for ZZzz
you wrote”Beast and false prophet and Satan are tossed into the lake of fire.”
Wrong AGAIN, As I mentioned to you… YOU don’t know who is who in Rev and don’t have a grasp of future events either as can be plainly seen by ALL
Beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire…correct.
BUT SATAN is
Revelation 20 New King James Version (NKJV)
Satan Bound 1,000 Years
20 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.
don’t let bad shepherds lead you , for if the blind are leading the blind, we shall ALL fall into the ditch…
“The Beast only prevails for a time”
The Beast is the Antichrist so WHO is he prevailing over ?
The problem is you lump everything together without defining anyone’s role,timing,duration or correctly identifying church(es) restrainer, Israel, etc etc
instead write fantasies about boot camp and then post psalm 91 if your doing or in Gods will.
bizarre.
In reference to me saying Satan gets cast into the lake of fire, CT wrote:
“Wrong AGAIN, As I mentioned to you… YOU don’t know who is who in Rev and don’t have a grasp of future events either as can be plainly seen by ALL”
Yes. Let everyone open up their Bible and see that you are misleading people. Satan does indeed end up being tossed in the lake of fire:
“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
—REV 20:10
According to your reasoning CT, Jesus did not prevail against the Devil because He was crucified.
But here is the reality of it:
Jesus was of course under divine protection during His earthly ministry. For example, the time when people were outraged at Him and wanted to cast Him off a cliff, He was divinely protected:
29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way,
—Luke 4:29-30
No one could kill Jesus lest He allowed it:
“No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.”
— John 10:18
We have been given divine protection:
“Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.”
—Luke 10:19
This divine protection is given to all who walk in it so they can fulfill their destiny. Once they fulfill all that Jesus called them to do, then it will be time for them to be taken home. Any Christian today who seeks the secret place of the Most High will walk in divine protection. He will not die in a car crash, or a robbery attempt, or whatever. But he will be kept safe from the enemy while walking out his destiny. Then, if his destiny is to enter into the tribulation period and be beheaded for Jesus, they will be kept for that destiny. If they are destined to survive until the Second Coming, they will divinely be kept alive for that destiny.
“It will be much more than 2%.”
In the days of Noah and Lot, what percentage of people escaped.
Had they not outraged their community, I doubt whether they would have been noticed.
I’m flawed, but I’m contrite. With rare exceptions, I seriously doubt whether much of the professing church is even redeemable.
Yep. A small number, unfortunately.
I remember what someone said years ago: that when we get to heaven, we will see people there that we didn’t expect to be there, and people who we expected to be there will not be. (All this is to be taken in a Christian context, of course).
Maybe that’s what Jesus meant when He said: “Many are called, few are chosen”.
Watch always! That’s what this site and other similar sites are good for….
—-
Luke 21:36
6 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
Oh’ we jump a thousand years now’ as explained in my previous post you do not answer anything in context, You Said “Beast and false prophet and Satan” cast into lake of fire, this means all at once, unless you say its not,You don’t answer any of the difficult questions ever.
Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the GATES of HELL….. SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT.
TO
Daniel 7:21
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and PREVAILED AGAINST THEM
Parallel Strong’s Cross References TO Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them (ASV)
It can’t be both ways… Jesus said it clearly …. are you saying he is lying ?
Tribulation Saints are just that Tribulation Saints as PTR Interpretation is upheld, the Church (es) are GONE, BEFORE the Man of SIN also known as THE ANTICHRIST, BEAST,.. PREVAILS AGAINST the Tribulation Saint, NOT Church (es)….. or JESUS is Lying !!?
So which one is it ? ,YOU cant have it both ways !
PTR is the ONLY answer or you make Jesus a liar.
seek GOD “as it is written” in the Bible.
beware of Bad Shepherds who deny PTR, as its the blind leading the Blind unti, we ALL fall into the ditch.
So CT, did hell prevail against Stephen when he was stoned to death?
55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man’s feet, whose name was Saul.
59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
—Acts 7:55-60
Of course you never answer what i ask of you in context….I just another question.
“So CT, did hell prevail against Stephen when he was stoned to death?”
And what you ask is twisted as usual, this can be laid at the feet of anyone who is called to be martyred, as has happened in the world since Jesus left, to prepare a place in heaven.
Y he shall drink of the same cup….. You come as you are called.Some are called to that others will be raptured as PTR…we who are alive… as it is written.
there’s a distinction between tribulation and being IN the Tribulation
BUT as most know a specific time is coming a Great Tribulation known as Jacobs trouble this is what is being discussed here and the Gates of HELL let loose is the Revealing of THE Antichrist, The Beast, the Man of Sin who was given authority to PREVAILING against the Trib/Saints,
Surly the very revealing of HIM, is the wrath of GOD or the Gates of Hell let loose on mankind.
BUT NOT on the chosen church Shes GONE before that.
5am here gone for ZZzzz
“5am here gone for ZZzzz”
You’ve been asleep the whole time. It’s time for people like you to wake up.
you offered up Psalm91 with link (divine protection to those doing his will) and then twist it around and say Stephen was not protected with your own words.
“you offered up Psalm91 with link (divine protection to those doing his will) and then twist it around and say Stephen was not protected with your own words.”
You really need to study the Bible more. Or at least read my comments above. Divine protection is afforded those doing the will of God and abiding under the shadow of the Most High. Once they fulfill their destiny, Satan can take them. Until that point, Satan cannot touch them.
You brought up Matthew 16:18 as proof that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church. So I’m asking you, do you believe Jesus is a member of the Church? Is He not the head of the Church? Yet He was crucified. So according to your faulty reasoning, hell prevailed against Jesus.
Was Stephen a member of the Church? Of course he was. Yet, he was stoned to death. So according to your line of thought, hell prevailed against Stephen.
Your reasoning doesn’t hold up when put up against Scripture.
god am 1 23 You are so twisted you don’t even comprehend the reason for the crucifixion and what nonsense you write …We PTR have no problem with you putting yourself in the Tribulation, We do not care if you hold the mid Trib position , We do care when you attack a third of the body of christ with stones and abuse on every thread as if your 100% correct infact infallible.
You wrote “You brought up Matthew 16:18 as proof that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church”
The proof is
Where are the church (es) after Rev chapter 3 ? this confirms correct exegesis to the Gates of Hell shall NOT prevailing against the CHURCH as they can’t be found even by YOU god am 1 23
and you said back then, you would explain to me WHO the 24 Elders are and WHO are those WHO are REDEEMED before the throne out of every nation BEFORE The Antichrist is revealed 6:1, this you have not done
I’m as sharp as a tac even if its 6am here and I’m not even warmed up yet ..lol
So you don’t consider Jesus as being a member of the Church?
You don’t consider Stephen a member of the Church?
You don’t consider Paul a member of the Church?
As to the 24 elders before the throne, they are not members of the Church. Those in white robes before the throne in Revelation are members of the Church who were killed in the tribulation period.
And surely you don’t mean because the word church isn’t used after chapter 3 in Revelation that the church isn’t spoken of in the rest of Revelation. If you do, that is outright silly.
The Protestant heresy pre-trib “rapture” will occur when hell freezes over — meaning never.
The pre-trib rapture theory contradicts the following words from Paul. Pre-tribbers claim the rapture occurs first and then the antichrist appears. But Paul says the complete opposite. Paul says the antichrist must come first before the rapture can occur:
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
—2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Yep’ here we go another question out of context at hand.
Which bytheway has been answered heaps of times on the other threads but you will not receive it, Nor are you able to identify the restrainer (exegesis) , which for those who don’t know, is Satan to you, Satan holding back Satan ?? How can ANYONE answer your 3 card trick when you ignorantly tamper with this plain understanding, so with these glaring erroneous errors to add to your compilations of unanswered issues and tampering of scripture (eisegesis),you FALL SHORT, WAY SHORT !!
All you have to do is read the full passage to the end and not cherry pick 3 verses, But NO. its 3 verses Only to you. in context READ V6, 7, 8, it comes after your 3 verses.. to clarify.
Now if godly scholars are guilty of twisting Scripture. If this is true of those who love God, honor His Word, and seek to “rightly divide the Word of truth,” then surely we should expect that those with much less noble motives would twist the Scriptures to mean something other than what God intended to convey to us. They may do this TO GAIN A PERSONAL FOLLOWING. which they do at their own peril.
Your choosing to be ignorant…no excuse.!
Those who were twisting Paul’s words regarding the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus. This seems to be Paul’s primary concern when he wrote 2 Thessalonians, it was wrote to warn people about THOSE who twist the meaning of most topics and shred the Bible to fit THEIR OWN STORIES….remind you of anyone ?
Paul is reiterating or clarifying a previous teaching (as they heard it directly from Paul when he was with them. When times get particularly difficult, you will be tempted to become alarmed and panic, Paul says DON”T be “shaken from your mind.” “shaken in your composure,” “disturbed as if you are ALREADY in the Day of the Lord/Christ….”parallels to Jesus saying..”Make sure that you are not alarmed,” for this must happen, but the end is still to come” (Matthew 24:3-6
ALL this is more support of PTR as mentioned you can place yourself at the Post/ Trib for me, I don’t care.. BUT you seem to Vilify what we believe “as it is written”.
Revelation 22:18-19 If anyone take away from Scripture, it will be taken away from you, and if Anyone comes with another gospel, well you know that does not end well for those who do that,tampers with the biblical text: Galatians 1:6-9
That’s why I always say…. AS IT IS WRITTEN.
This is the 3rd time I’ve asked you
“As to the 24 elders before the throne, they are not members of the Church.”
1/ THEN WHO ARE THEY
2/ AND WHO ARE THE REDEEMED AROUND THE THRONE OUT EVERY NATION that’s what I asked
3/”And surely you don’t mean because the word church isn’t used after chapter 3 in Revelation that the church isn’t spoken of in the rest of Revelation.”
CORRECT I KNOW WHAT I WRITE…find me the word church / churches as requested.
CT said:
“Nor are you able to identify the restrainer (exegesis) , which for those who don’t know, is Satan to you, Satan holding back Satan ??”
It is a mystery, isn’t it?
“For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.”
—2 Thessalonians 2:7
The restrainer is a “he” and he is taken “out of the way”. He is taken out of the way against his will. He is forcibly removed. That rules out the Holy Spirit. Far be it from any child of God to speculate that the Holy Spirit is ever not doing the will of God.
The restrainer that Paul talks about is not the Holy Spirit, it is the unholy spirit, or Satan. Being forcibly removed, or “taken out of the way”, speaks to the victory of the Church over Satan, taking him out of the way in heaven.
The Antichrist is Satan’s “trump card” so to speak, or his best weapon. He is Satan’s last resort. If you are in a war and you are wise and cunning—as we know Satan is—then you do not use your last resort before it is time to use your last resort. The world today is full of corruption and evil. It would be foolish of Satan and it is not necessary for him to use his best weapon or last resort in a world where he is pretty much having his way. But that will change when Christians unite and become the true Church. As the Church realizes its part in the end times and comes together in love and grows and matures and starts walking in the true power of Christianity, doing the things Jesus did and even greater things, reaping the great end time harvest in the greatest revival the world has ever known, and as they pull down strongholds of the enemy all over the place, then the overcoming Church, as personified by the man child of Revelation 12:5, will win the victory over the Devil by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony and then Satan will be cast down from heaven—he will be taken out of the way.
Paul knew there was coming a time when the Church would be victorious over Satan as described in Revelation 12:7-12. This onslaught against the powers and principalities of darkness will back Satan into a corner, forcing him to play his trump card, or use his best weapon, his last resort. It is at the very beginning of Revelation 13 that the beast arises. So it is Satan who is the restrainer who must be taken out of the way in heaven, and then the Antichrist will be revealed, just as portrayed in chapters 12 and 13 in Revelation.
CT asked:
““As to the 24 elders before the throne, they are not members of the Church.”
1/ THEN WHO ARE THEY
2/ AND WHO ARE THE REDEEMED AROUND THE THRONE OUT EVERY NATION that’s what I asked”
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Around the throne of God in heaven you have the 4 living creatures, or beasts, the 24 elders, the 7 spirits of God, and those in white robes. I’m not sure of the identity of the 24 elders. I suspect they are the sons of God that were there at creation as spoken of in Job. But they definitely are not the church. The ones in white robes are members of the church, who were executed during the great tribulation:
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
—REV 6:9-11
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
—REV 7:13-14
Here is an excellent commentary from Isaac Newton on those around the throne:
For the Trumpets every day sounded thrice: first at the opening of the gates of the Temple, then at the morning, and lastly at the evening sacrifice.
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And the four Beasts had each of them six wings about him & they were full of eyes within & they rest not day & night saying Holy, holy, holy Lord God almighty which was & is & is to come. Whence I gather these Beasts are the same with the Seraphins which appeared to Isaiah[15] in a vision like this of the Apocalyps. For there also the Lord sate on a throne in the Temple & the Seraphins each with six wings cryed holy, holy, holy Lord of hosts. So then they are noble enough to represent the four quarters of the Church. They have each of them six wings, that is in all four & twenty And these are the four & twenty stations of the people of Israel answering the four and twenty courses of the Priests. For f[16] because the morning & evening sacrifices were offered for all the people & they whose sacrifices were offered were obliged to be present in the temple, the people had their representatives distinguished into four & twenty stations or courses to attend each their week in order & each station had its President calld the President of the station. Further to signify that these Beasts have internall intellectual eyes tis said that they have eyes within, that is in their bodies under their wings. / And they rest not day & night [that is morning & evening at the sacrifices,] saying Holy, holy, holy Lord God almighty. And when they give glory to him that sitteth upon the throne the four & twenty elders fall down & worship him. At the morning & evening sacrifices so soon as the sacrifice was laid upon the Altar, & the drink offering began to be poured out the trumpets sounded & the Levites sang by courses three times, & every time the trumpets sounded the a[17] people fell down & worshiped. Three times therefore did the people worship; to express which number the Beasts cry holy, holy, holy; & the song being ended the people prayed standing till the solemnity was ended. In the meane time the [18] Priests went into the Temple & there fell down before him that sat on the Throne & worshipped.
http://www.newtonproject.sussex.ac.uk/view/texts/normalized/THEM00270
CT said:
“3/”And surely you don’t mean because the word church isn’t used after chapter 3 in Revelation that the church isn’t spoken of in the rest of Revelation.”
CORRECT I KNOW WHAT I WRITE…find me the word church / churches as requested.”
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No serious student of the Bible should take that seriously. You are claiming because the word church is not used after chapter 3 in Revelation then therefore the rest of Revelation doesn’t speak about the church. This is how silly that is:
Matthew is the only Gospel that uses the word “church”. So are you trying to tell me Mark, Luke, and John don’t speak to the church?
WARNING:
The “Rapture Watch” content is extremely disturbing and controversial.
Not a problem. I didn’t watch it because I couldn’t get in. It’s a paid-access website. So all is good.
Hey god am1 23,
I will just add the “I don’t knows” with the Not Answered to the list which you have TAKEN AWAY from scripture, its quite long now as you well know, I’ll also add the restrainer is Satan and “Hell and the antichrist do not prevail against the saints” contrary to.. as it is written and then your twist of “The Beast only prevails for a time”
The Beast is the Antichrist so WHO is he prevailing over ?… not answered.
redeemed out of every nation before the throne …not answered
you wrote”Matthew is the only Gospel that uses the word “church”. So are you trying to tell me Mark, Luke, and John don’t speak to the church?”
You know I asked for it in Revelation after chapter 3 you can’t find it in the Book John wrote in Revelation.
So
Questions 1, Don’t know 2, Didn’t answer 3, Didn’t answer.as i expected, as you never answered all the other stuff on my other list. to put it bluntly your answers are really unacceptable from someone who is a teacher… of stories.
you wrote “So it is Satan who is the restrainer who must be taken out of the way in heaven, and then the Antichrist will be revealed,”
I can’t get my head around this one … SATAN HOLDING BACK SATAN….
as for Issuk Newton you can keep his personal Interpretation I’ll stick to…. as it is written
god am 1 23, once again we will have to agree to disagree and let the reader understand because we are poles apart, until out paths cross again.
I’ve better things to do.. atm
adieu.
The Leftovers Season 1: Trailer #2
Am I seeing what I’m seeing? A series/miniseries of what happens after the (Pre-Trib) rapture, on HBO? Wwhhhaaatttt!!
Proffering and/or teaching the “rapture” means a judgement of death by God Almighty. No such thing is scriptural. There is no rapture. If you want to misunderstand Revelation to John, that’s your business, but to teach it and make others believe that such a false thing is real, is to request God’s wrath in the tribulation and final battle.
The “rapture” Prophets for PROFIT are ANTI-Christ DEATH CULTISTS. God/Jesus put you in this LIFE to learn “soul lessons”, to increase your consciousness to the point of Redemption. Hagee and his Ilk REJECT the LIFE God gave you, and dangle a “shortcut” in front of people, just as SATAN dangled Temptation in front of Jesus. Do not follow the ANTI-Christ lies of FALSE prophets. Their “shortcut” of cheating God’s lessons does NOT lead to Heaven, any more than cheating on school work teaches you the subject. Hagee, Robertson, the whole group, do NOT believe in anything except the MONEY they collect for leading their Flocks astray.
http://www.jeff-goodall.com/?p=8955
The problem, is the belief system of Christian Zionists. They believe that what Israel wants is what God wants. Therefore, it is perfectly acceptable to give the green light to whatever it is Israel wants and then conceal this from the American people. Anything, including lies, theft, even murder, is justified as long as Israel wants it. Then why did JESUS suffer on the cross!?
With more than 50 millions members, Christians United for Israel is a major politica force in the U.S.. Its Chairman, pastor John Haggee, declared: “The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God’s plan for both Israel and the West, [...] a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ”. Have you ever LOOKED at HAGEE — at best he is a glutton ….
“rapture” is actually a vicarious form of SUICIDE. “rapture” is an extremely SELF-ABSORBED way of saying “I am SO perfect” and anyone I dislike will be LEFT BEHIND to suffer(feel bad because I am gone) but I will revel in heaven.
One of the major problems America faces is a large population of religious fundamentalists who have become as fanatical in their own way as any Middle Eastern Ayatollah. At present, they are caught up in their own version of the myth of the end of the world, and hope that by working to bring it about, they’ll get to sit at the right hand of their diety and to hell with everyone else. No doubt fistfights will break out over who gets to sit closest, but that is a subject for another article.
So fervent is the belief of the mythoholics that they are ready and willing to sacrifice money, children, civil rights, freedom, even life itself (so long as it is someone else’s) to bring about the final rapture and end of the world. Never mind that the story of the Rapture appears nowhere in the Bible, but was the invention of a Civil War veteran, Cyrus Scofield. Never mind that the present-day charlatan selling this belief might be a child molester and makes money off of these fables; the seekers (and there is one born every minute) do so want to believe!
“The Incredible Scofield and His Book” written by Joseph M. Canfield, reveals the following:Cyrus Scofield is a small time politician and career criminal. In 1873, he is forced to resign his position as a District Attorney because of crooked financial transactions that include accepting bribes stealing political contributions, and securing bank notes by forging signatures. Scofield then serves jail time for forgery charges. A heavy drinker, Scofield later abandons his wife and two daughters. His wife finally divorces the drunken crook in 1883. As so many con-men do, Scofield will then claim to have “found Jesus”. He is ordained as a Minister and then claims to have a Doctor of Divinity degree, but this degree is never verified. After several mysterious trips to Europe and New York, Scofield publishes the notated reference Bible that bears his name. scofield’s wife divorced him when he went to prison for mortgage fraud. Scofield defrauded his mother in law out of her life savings and went to prison. supposedly he was “saved” in prison and wrote his Bible notes. His “Bible” sold hundreds of thousands of copies and made him a rich man. Scofield never repaid his mother in law for the money he stole from her and per his two daughters he never paid one penny of support to either one of them.The added side notes in Scofield’s Bible inject a very weird “End Times” prophecy into Christianity.